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drhemp
09-06-2009, 03:57 PM
Government 'to ban legal highs'
A range of 'herbal highs' could be banned by the summer under a fast track scheme to cut the number of powerful but legal drugs on sale in the UK.
The government's drug advisers are warning that many are freely available powders laced with chemicals closely linked to illegal drugs.
They're available over the internet, at festivals and in specialist shops.
A list of banned chemicals could be drawn up as early as July with a ban coming into force soon afterwards.
"We are worried about it," said Professor Les Iversen from Oxford University, who sits on the Advisory Council for the Misuse of Drugs.
"There is a considerable risk of adverse effects and particularly overdosing.
"We are actively looking at the problem now to see what can be done."
'Bewildering variety'
Hundreds of internet sites and head shops around the UK now sell a bewildering variety of legal highs.
Most are little more than vitamin pills laced with high levels of caffeine or herbs containing the chemical ephedrine.
But a new generation of legal highs started to emerge a couple of years ago, many with effects more closely associated with stronger drugs like cannabis, ecstasy and cocaine.
For a while, some contained the amphetamine-like drug BZP, an artificial chemical originally used as worming tablet for cows.
But the government recently said it would classify BZP as an illegal, class C substance along with the industrial solvent GBL after two accidental deaths connected to the drugs.
Then, six months ago scientists in Germany found the legal 'Chinese herbal powder' called Spice they were testing was not herbal at all but laced with a chemical linked to the active ingredient in cannabis.
More than 150 'cannabinoid' chemicals were discovered back in the 1970s by drug companies hoping to sell products with some of the same effects as cannabis.
That work was eventually scrapped. But the scientific research is now being used by some makers of legal highs to sidestep the law, according to drug advisors.
"This is an entirely new situation. We only found out what Spice really was late last year," said Professor Iversen.
"From what we know now about the components in it, we see no reason why it should be any different from cannabis with the added hazard of not knowing what dose you are taking."
Drug researchers think the active ingredient in Spice could be ten times stronger than the THC in standard cannabis, although users may take less of it as a result.
Head rush'
Seventeen-year-old 'Sarah', not her real name, smoked Spice with her friends when cannabis wasn't available.
"We thought it was much safer and we weren't going to get paranoid but it had the same effects," she said.
"It's definitely stronger. It was more trippy than the weed on the street.
"It was borderlining on magic mushrooms which I didn't like personally.
"I was on the way home from a friend's house and suddenly everything was so intense. I got home and had to get my mum to look after me. It wasn't good at all."
Sarah says she never had a problem buying it even though she was under 18.
"There should be more information about it out there. I think they should just ban these shops because they are not really helping anybody."
Banning orders
Spice and similar products like it officially sell as 'herbal incense' that is not for human consumption.
The manufacturers did not return Newsbeat's request for an interview.
Newsbeat also contacted dozens of internet and high street suppliers stocking the product.
Most refused to talk to us publically but claimed off the record that Spice is weaker than cannabis and users will just stop taking the drug when they've had enough, making an overdose unlikely.
The active ingredient in standard Spice has already been banned in France, Germany and Austria.
But with hundreds of other similar chemicals out there, it is easy for the makers to switch to a legal alternative and continue producing a substance with the same effect.
It is likely the government will try to ban a wide variety of the 'cannabis-like' chemicals at the same time this summer in an attempt to stop the use of drugs like Spice.
But sceptics reckon the authorities will find it increasingly hard to catch up with the companies behind legal, synthetic versions of banned drug.
whiterain
09-06-2009, 04:27 PM
aaaahahahahahahaah theyl never ban them all. in other news the ban on weed has been totally succesful and now no one smokes it anymore
yozhik
09-06-2009, 05:00 PM
Of course.
Ban natural highs ... but force, condone, support and subsidise aspartame, mercury and fluoride.
:mad:
cafetimes1991
09-06-2009, 05:07 PM
Damn, just as I was about to leave home.
strengthofknowledge
09-06-2009, 05:12 PM
oh well. im getting my cannabis card.
drhemp
09-06-2009, 05:23 PM
Questionnaire on legal highs
https://portal.sgul.ac.uk/Members/mschmidt/survey/arci/survey_view
rosix
09-06-2009, 05:43 PM
as far as I'm concerned, know your rights, know the law and you can grow as much weed/whatever for personal use as you'd like and in the long-run _should_ be fine - they'd probably love to find someone claiming their freedom/rights to make an example of though
gods sun
09-06-2009, 05:54 PM
fliping kids dont know how to use them and the die of dehydration.
dehydration and not the drug HOW CAN YOU BAN A PLANT!! HOW CAN YOU BAN NATURE.
yozhik
09-06-2009, 05:57 PM
fliping kids dont know how to use them and the die of dehydration.
dehydration and not the drug HOW CAN YOU BAN A PLANT!! HOW CAN YOU BAN NATURE.
Ask those who drafted Codex Alimentarius ... when vitamins become a "prescription only" drug.
I agree with you; I don't have the answer you ask for.
It's beyond comprehension.
gods sun
09-06-2009, 07:07 PM
everythings legal to me not matter law lol
ricko
09-06-2009, 07:24 PM
Fucking tossers. Go ahead and ban everything why don't you, you scumbag, ilegitimate, fascist bunch of criminal Government fuckheads!!!!!! Aaaaaaaaargh! :mad::mad::mad:
sloppy
09-06-2009, 07:33 PM
Fucking tossers. Go ahead and ban everything why don't you, you scumbag, ilegitimate, fascist bunch of criminal Government fuckheads!!!!!! Aaaaaaaaargh! :mad::mad::mad:
You must have read my mind.
disorder2k8
09-06-2009, 07:37 PM
Such a shame, better and more entertaining than anything the government ever offered me or told me was 'ok'
The illegal drugs usage will soar I can guarantee it.
octopusrex
09-06-2009, 07:38 PM
Government 'to ban legal highs'
Well, it's the crunch. Raises prices for the illegal shit.
drhemp
09-06-2009, 07:42 PM
Well, it's the crunch. Raises prices for the illegal shit.
The Government controls the illegal drugs trade (and I don't mean the goons who sit in Brown's Cabinet they are far too stupid to be in on this). The legal high market will never be permitted to get too big, because it would show up the highly profitable War on Drugs to the sheeple for the ridiculous sham that it is.
carsick
09-06-2009, 09:55 PM
ive been takin sum of theese legal pills for ages now and was paronoid they were some type of slow kill , but if there gonna ban em then suppose not
alexc
09-06-2009, 09:59 PM
Of course.
Ban natural highs ... but force, condone, support and subsidise aspartame, mercury and fluoride.
:mad:
I have a better idea.
Ban them all. Mercury, pot, fluoride, heroin, ALL that garbage.
whiterain
09-06-2009, 10:14 PM
it has come to the attention of the government that some people have been using breathing techniques, healthy eating, and other processes typically not followed by the majority, to acheive a state of mind similar to getting high. symptoms include enjoying the great outdoors and generally going around with smiles on their faces, the likes of which have not been seen since smiling became generally frowned upon by all. an immediate review has been called into the social implications of air consumption, with mps to vote on an allocated daily quota per person of this radically new type of air which scientists say has the potential for smile facilitation. also studies have been called for after it became apparent that vile new strains of lettuce actually contained chemicals similar to the endorphins once found in the human mind, which were linked to the great smile outbreak of 2011
whiterain
09-06-2009, 10:15 PM
I have a better idea.
Ban them all. Mercury, pot, fluoride, heroin, ALL that garbage.
what did you find troubling about heroin?
anyuser
10-06-2009, 08:47 AM
The price in Tx has risen from $4.99 per bag for legal herbs in smokeshops to $34.99 where I have seen. I said forget that, I will just talk to some people and get the real stuff if I would like it. The legal stuff is too high now.
oneup
10-06-2009, 08:58 AM
No legal high crap needed here :)
unusual_suspect
10-06-2009, 09:04 AM
I have tried a few of these and they get you munted but the comedown is rank. Some people I know were doing the Neorganics every weekend for a long time. The men said they gave them bollock ache, all of them got very paranoid.
I have tried some thinking that they must be harmless and weak because they are legal, some of them have been very strong indeed.
Also they keep banning substances used in them. Then you get the problem that you buy the same thing and it is horrible because they have had to change the recipe.
I don't bother with any of this anymore, you could be buying any old crap, look at BZP, I never touched the stuff, I could see how freaky it made other people act, and that was when they weren't even taking it.
Drugs are bad M'kay :o .....they turn you in to a hippy.
jonbongjovi
10-06-2009, 11:20 AM
lol @ 'sarah' having a magic mushroom experience on spice!
legal highs are mostly pretty crap tbh... stick with the tried and true illegals kids.
cookie_dude
10-06-2009, 12:41 PM
I've smoked Spice loads of times and it is quite strong for a legal high.
I found that it only gives you all the crap effects of weed though. No heightened sound or creativity.
It also costs the same as weed and for me is harder to get hold of.
Stick to the Weed kids:D
drhemp
10-06-2009, 12:44 PM
lol @ 'sarah' having a magic mushroom experience on spice!
legal highs are mostly pretty crap tbh... stick with the tried and true illegals kids.
Magic mushrooms and spice are completely different, but hey this is the BBC, at least they published the views of Radio 1 listeners, where 90%+ of them see through the bullshit.
1eyeopen
10-06-2009, 03:15 PM
Banning them will only lead to the manufacture and supply of such highs landing in the hands of criminals who are out for profit and couldn't care less about the drugs being safe (grit weed, make-up in smack, soapbar, coke with 5% purity). Prohibition doesn't work.
Also, they say there banning them due to "adverse reactions", of course, because tobbacco and alcohol are so safe.
eyepod
10-06-2009, 03:32 PM
Government 'to ban legal highs'
Do you know if this ban includes some of the Research Chemicals that previously escaped the MDMA analogue ban and remained legal in the UK?
wildhorse
10-06-2009, 03:35 PM
No legal high crap needed here :)
ditto :D ...don't worry folks, when you get developed into metaphysical spiritual shit, you don't need drugs to get high ;)
reminds me of the film Back to the Future at the the very end when the Doc says...
Roads??? where we're going, we don't need roads... :D
actually he was spot on, we have that technology now but its being surpressed...and now they are trying to supress us awakening...dunno bout you but I heard Karma can be a bitch lol
unusual_suspect
10-06-2009, 03:46 PM
No legal high crap needed here :)
ditto :D ...don't worry folks, when you get developed into metaphysical spiritual shit, you don't need drugs to get high ;)
reminds me of the film Back to the Future at the the very end when the Doc says...
Roads??? where we're going, we don't need roads... :D
actually he was spot on, we have that technology now but its being surpressed...and now they are trying to supress us awakening...dunno bout you but I heard Karma can be a bitch lol
Good to hear from other like minded bods, I am on another plane as it is without chemicals :confused:.
When I think of drugs the phrase "beware of worshiping false idols" comes to mind.
drhemp
10-06-2009, 03:51 PM
Do you know if this ban includes some of the Research Chemicals that previously escaped the MDMA analogue ban and remained legal in the UK?
Almost certainly, and almost certainly new ones will come out to replace them. This is something they will never stop, they might as well get used to it, and allow some kind of safe legal frame work for certain herbs and chemicals to be sold freely to adults over the age of 18 or else or sorts of unknown chemicals will appear on the market, which of course there would be no need to, if tried and tested ones at the bottom range of the toxic scale were permitted.
drael
10-06-2009, 04:16 PM
Okay time to create or find some new substances for the market, lol.
Maybe if the push it hard enough, the industry will start developing there own completely novel drugs.
In the mean time regulation is the only sensible response. Lack of which allows new drugs to enter the market all but unnoticed. But if they do that, they have to find somewhere to draw the line.
Thank god for the power of money, demand, at least in the instance of the multi-billion dollar legal high market.
Its an epic fail, until they catch up.
ricko
10-06-2009, 06:39 PM
The wankers want to put their dirty little fingers in every pie on this earth - and I'm sick of it.
WE WANT FREEDOM, GOVERNMENT - THE FREEDOM TO CONSUME WHAT EVER WE WANT - THE FREEDOM TO GET AS HIGH AS WE WANT - THE FREEDOM TO LIVE WITHOUT FEAR OF HAVING OUR DOOR BUSTED DOWN BY BRAINDEAD FUCKING STORMTROOPERS BECAUSE OF SOME FUCKING POT.
Sorry about the caps folks, I'm just mad as hell right now! :mad:
I mean as if they care about our health all of a sudden. These are the same fuck-bags who are using soft kill methods to destroy us all - they're poisoning our kids - they are fucking up our Spirituality - day by fucking day!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
anyuser
10-06-2009, 07:04 PM
I say we just need this: MSM: Decriminalize marijuana
http://dprogram.net/2009/06/07/msm-decriminalize-marijuana/
well ive been searching like a fool to find a reliable source for methylone and mephedrone online. was hoping for some for the weekend and it appears that they are shutting down suppliers rapidly. every site ive found is either ran dry or their sites are "under construction" i'm not going to pay £40 quid for a gram of sparkle when you can get pure methylone/mephedrone from £13-20 quid for a gram...or should that be "used to able to"
about ready to give up searching and go get myself 5 E's for a tenner and be done with it...or raid the miracle grow :D
what? ...it's plant food innit :p
ffing politicians. if one ever dares turn up at my house canvassing, there will be fireworks
rhydra
10-06-2009, 08:33 PM
If legal highs work the people controlling the import of illegal drugs won't be best pleased, they have a lot of money and influence which goes to some pretty high (pardon the pun) places. The Colombian and Afghan drug cartels have a lot of money and no one likes money more than members of the British government. Besides, certain members of the government won't want to trade in Afghan poppies to cease, especially as is paying for the cooperation of certain Afghan warlords.
drhemp
10-06-2009, 09:21 PM
Exactly. Remember the magic mushrooms that were legally on sale in UK for several years, our government only stepped in to ban them when they became very popular. There are hundreds of legal highs that have been on sale for years and the Government only takes noticeif they become popular, yes partly because they are out-of-touch killjoys, but more corrupt elements of the government will be banning them to protect the interests of the illegal drugs trade.
seercirra
10-06-2009, 11:05 PM
""It's definitely stronger. It was more trippy than the weed on the street.
"It was borderlining on magic mushrooms which I didn't like personally.
"I was on the way home from a friend's house and suddenly everything was so intense. I got home and had to get my mum to look after me. It wasn't good at all."
Sarah says she never had a problem buying it even though she was under 18."
what??????
she had this terrible experience, and then went straight out and brought it again?
yeah, that makes sense.
she's probably some chav scum who doesnt mind lying aslong as she's getting paid for the interview.
drael
14-06-2009, 03:18 PM
The beauty is an unregulated market can not list ingedients, and use whatever there researchers can come up with. Regulation would be like saying "these ones are okay, or it can be okay". So its either keep banning new things every five years for the rest of time, all the while trialling untested substances on the public, or draw a reasonable line.
Whats really remarkable is the complete faliure of any politicians to realise this. Its even more pointless than the war on illegal drugs.
They are already generating enough money to justify their OWN private research into NEW chemicals, just like big pharma already does with some mild altering drugs.
This would put a whole new meaning into designer drugs.
disorder2k8
14-06-2009, 04:06 PM
I talk to headshop owners regularly, and they say this isnt new, the products will change names and descriptions and be back out in a couple of weeks :D
The shop owner I talk to says this has happened at least 3 times before, which is why a lot of them say 'Plant feeder'
humito
14-06-2009, 05:34 PM
Well it wont be long now before they ban humans.............our brains produce dmt after all.................................
drhemp
14-06-2009, 05:44 PM
Well it wont be long now before they ban humans.............our brains produce dmt after all.................................
Shhhh! Don't give the Labour Party any ideas.
take it easy
14-06-2009, 05:59 PM
yuba gold - it looks good on the shelf
http://www.cannabisstrains.com/everyonedoesit/alternatives/products_highs_gold_seal.jpg
gods sun
14-06-2009, 06:51 PM
that stuff makes me jag and i smell and makes me vomit id rather smoke dry lawn grass lol.
Everyone just start growing your own salvia,too. Make sure its the right kind,though.
bob_jones
14-06-2009, 08:55 PM
Do you lot know your Bill Cooper?
The illegal drugs are brought into the country by the governments.
Bush Snr used his oil rigs to bring drugs into the USA and avoid customs in the 1990s.
A friend of mine did his Phd theis on the way the Windsor Fraud use the millitary to bring cannabis into the UK form Morocco as their Royal Faimilly have no other income.
Why do you think Opium production is up in Afghanistan?
Can you get into your heads instead of trying to get out of them?
You smoke a spliff because you smoke rebellion.
Once you realise the higher order of society has made sure you can get the dope to keep you from getting rebellious then you might not get the rebellion high from it at all.
I get higher than ever on my bicycle!!!
I got to gigs straight because I do not need any drugs to get my knees up as it is learned behavior triggerd by music and others.
Mind you I did buy a synthetic mesculine pill form a black man in a rainbow whooly jumper in Glastonbury Festival in 1999 and went bopping for many hours.
That was legal.
Not totally boring like E but energy giving but not as right off it as Acid.
But once you are bopping your brain produces endorphins (the stuff heroin tries to mimic but is 200 time less powerfull than the real thing) and dopamine (the stuff speed tried to mimic but is less powerful than the real thing).
So that may account for it.
Plus I had a bright yellow tee shirt with a Blue Circle cement logo and so I was well cool!!!
drhemp
14-06-2009, 09:06 PM
Do you lot know your Bill Cooper?
The illegal drugs are brought into the country by the governments.
Bush Snr used his oil rigs to bring drugs into the USA and avoid customs in the 1990s.
A friend of mine did his Phd theis on the way the Windsor Fraud use the millitary to bring cannabis into the UK form Morocco as their Royal Faimilly have no other income.
Why do you think Opium production is up in Afghanistan?
Can you get into your heads instead of trying to get out of them?
You smoke a spliff because you smoke rebellion.
Once you realise the higher order of society has made sure you can get the dope to keep you from getting rebellious then you might not get the rebellion high from it at all.
I get higher than ever on my bicycle!!!
I got to gigs straight because I do not need any drugs to get my knees up as it is learned behavior triggerd by music and others.
Mind you I did buy a synthetic mesculine pill form a black man in a rainbow whooly jumper in Glastonbury Festival in 1999 and went bopping for many hours.
That was legal.
Not totally boring like E but energy giving but not as right off it as Acid.
But once you are bopping your brain produces endorphins (the stuff heroin tries to mimic but is 200 time less powerfull than the real thing) and dopamine (the stuff speed tried to mimic but is less powerful than the real thing).
So that may account for it.
Plus I had a bright yellow tee shirt with a Blue Circle cement logo and so I was well cool!!!
Yes all this is true. Another good book to read on this subject is Gary Webb's Dark Alliance, who exposed how the 'Just Say No' administration of Reagan, far from cracking down on crack, was actively facilitating the importation of cocaine into the cities of America, which fueled the crack academic that still blights, not only our cities, but even towns and villages. Sadly, Webb was suicided a few years ago for his revelations, but his book is still in print.
The British Security Services are also heavily involved with drug importation into the UK and the Dutch marines that are paid by the UN to police the Caribbean to stop drugs trade actually bring in most of the coke into Europe.
bob_jones
14-06-2009, 09:17 PM
Yes all this is true. Another good book to read on this subject is Gary Webb's Dark Alliance, who exposed how the 'Just Say No' administration of Reagan, far from cracking down on crack, was actively facilitating the importation of cocaine into the cities of America, which fueled the crack academic that still blights, not only our cities, but even towns and villages. Sadly, Webb was suicided a few years ago for his revelations, but his book is still in print.
The British Security Services are also heavily involved with drug importation into the UK and the Dutch marines that are paid by the UN to police the Caribbean to stop drugs trade actually bring in most of the coke into Europe.
I can't remember the figure off the top of my head but they are alleged to have executed between 2000 and 8000 people for not keeping quiet about the government drug running over the last 10 years.
In festivals you hear all the crap.
Why is this illegal?
What harm are we doing?
But little do they know that they are doing exactily what they are supposed to be doing.
What I find cheesy is the travellers who are obsessed with their self-definition.
I'm a this so I do that.
And spend all night putting society into pigeon holes.
They are that, so they do that.
You see I'm free of it all.
I do not have a definition.
I am not a this or a that and so I can be anyone I want to be and do anything I want to do.
I'm a mountaineer, that's what I do, I climb mountains!
Anyone for more tennis tea Vicar?
snakehips33
14-06-2009, 09:18 PM
I must admit the legal highs that you get these days are actually pretty strong. I've stopped using chemicals these days, can't be doing with the comedowns. I want to know more about the natural highs that you can get in England. Mushrooms are only around for a few weeks a year and it's very hard to find information about other plants in this country that give you a natural buzz. Apparantly poppies are very common in the US but very few people know what they look like, i wonder if it's the same here. I've not had opium for years, but it would be great to be able to find a few poppies here and have a nice session.
bob_jones
14-06-2009, 09:29 PM
I must admit the legal highs that you get these days are actually pretty strong. I've stopped using chemicals these days, can't be doing with the comedowns. I want to know more about the natural highs that you can get in England. Mushrooms are only around for a few weeks a year and it's very hard to find information about other plants in this country that give you a natural buzz. Apparantly poppies are very common in the US but very few people know what they look like, i wonder if it's the same here. I've not had opium for years, but it would be great to be able to find a few poppies here and have a nice session.
Still don't get it?
Climb a really big mountain and feel the rush.
You get endorphins, dopamine, detox, and vitamin R to name but a few natural highs.
Vitamin R is produced in the body when you combine exercise and danger.
It can not be manufactred as a food suppliment.
Getting a life is way more of a high than corrupting your system by introducing rogue chemicals all the time.
If you want to get high get on your bike and head for the hills.
You will feel like you are diving like a Stuka on the down hills and think you are going down when you are going up on the up hills if you are fit.
BIG RUSH!!!
And don't forget to shout childish stuff like "By the power of Gray skull" and "Psych--ho-owe" as you take the bend and hurtle down the hillside at death defying speeds!!!
RANTING TORMENTOR!!!
I LOVE IT!!!
ricko
14-06-2009, 10:53 PM
yuba gold - it looks good on the shelf
http://www.cannabisstrains.com/everyonedoesit/alternatives/products_highs_gold_seal.jpg
...So what's this shit like? - Shit? :confused:
gods sun
14-06-2009, 10:56 PM
yes its suppose to be wild opium lettuce it doesnt give you a buzz just makes you smell like a mixture between purfume and a smelly bog lol, its nasty belive me smoking dried cut long grass you gut in you garden tastes better than this lol
ricko
14-06-2009, 10:59 PM
...Sound's like I'm really missing out then obviously. I'm better off smoking this cat shit I got :D
eyepod
14-06-2009, 11:03 PM
I must admit the legal highs that you get these days are actually pretty strong. I've stopped using chemicals these days, can't be doing with the comedowns. I want to know more about the natural highs that you can get in England. Mushrooms are only around for a few weeks a year and it's very hard to find information about other plants in this country that give you a natural buzz. Apparantly poppies are very common in the US but very few people know what they look like, i wonder if it's the same here. I've not had opium for years, but it would be great to be able to find a few poppies here and have a nice session.
Opium poppies (Papaver Somniferum) are perfectly legal to grow in the UK. It's only illegal if you extract the opium from them or prepare them for poppy tea (I think that is illegal - not sure). You can even buy the dried poppy heads in some florists for flower arangeing or the more enjoyable - tea making purposes. You'll also find them growing wild and many people grow them in their gardens (probably without the person knowing that they're opium containing). A friend had two growing in his back garden recently having been dropped there in bird shit. He got a tiny amount of opium out of them and smoked it in joint and apparently got totally wasted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkW8izixZ-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaHwiFC7E7A
cookie_dude
15-06-2009, 06:17 AM
The packet that SPICE comes in has the all seeing eye on it.:eek:
I'll try and find a pic
drhemp
20-06-2009, 06:02 PM
Ban on party-pills encouraging use of class A drug
The prohibition of party-pills could be encouraging people into using stronger drugs according to researchers.
Experts say a ban on the pills containing the ingredient BZP has been effective since it was introduced last year, but there are signs it is fuelling a surge in the use of ecstasy.
A law change in April last year made it illegal to sell party pills containing BZP closing down an industry that sprung up around making and selling the drugs
Watch video (http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/Lifestyle/tabid/372/articleID/108475/cat/64/Default.aspx#video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0Mzr_A-Q0I
They should just take control and use the money to help rebuild the economy
Global: World Drug Trade Worth £350 Billion Annually
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/393/320billion.shtml
Lets just say the money should be put to good causes and users should be allowed to decide what they put into thier own bodys freedom is allowing people to make there own chioce's in life.
drhemp
20-06-2009, 07:04 PM
It makes you wonder if they want the to help the illegal trade to prosper, oh yes, sorry, they do!
So after there raids and the drugs they find and the huge bundles of cash what do they do next burn the drugs release the dealers to deal again and the cash well where does the cash go makes you wonder what is really happening :confused:
drhemp
20-06-2009, 07:14 PM
Dave Shayler told me while he was in prison he met someone who was doing 5 years for possession of 1 kilo of cocaine with intent to supply who said when he was caught by the police they took 2 kilos. Of course, that person was hardly going to tell the judge, 'oh no, actually it was 2 kilos' or he would have got even longer.
I have a book upstairs called Bent Cops by an investigative journalist called Graeme McLagan that details extensively some of the criminal activities, including drug running and importation on a major scale, that members of Scotland Yard got up to over the last few decades. And we are seriously supposed to believe this still does not go on?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SCPBFGo4IE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OS4IaEE18Y
diamondgeezer
20-06-2009, 08:05 PM
well ive been searching like a fool to find a reliable source for methylone and mephedrone online. was hoping for some for the weekend and it appears that they are shutting down suppliers rapidly. every site ive found is either ran dry or their sites are "under construction" i'm not going to pay £40 quid for a gram of sparkle when you can get pure methylone/mephedrone from £13-20 quid for a gram...or should that be "used to able to"
^PM'd with a link to a reliable up-and-running site I've used a few times. If anyone else wants it, PM me.
Mephedrone is awesome stuff, MDMA & coke qualities and in some ways better than both. I'm not exaggerating, it really is that good. The euphoria is amazing. Its got a dark side tho, its intensely morish & binge-able, and overdoing it bigtime could seriously fuck your head up I'm guessing. Other downsides = the tendency to say things to people you will regret later, and to talk shit for hrs. And the inability to sleep afterwards can leave you feeling shite, specially after doing a lot.
It won't be legal for long I reckon. Some idiot will overdo it & end up in casualty, or dead, and that'll be that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4gfF9yoqBg
No, no! Everybody cannot lie around getting all wasted! The rulers wouldn't get any work done! Remember? We have to wait until such time as when they turn us loose from our shackles and tell us to go have a smoke or a drink. That will be our 10 min break.
You will be chained to your workstation with a bed and a cafeteria where they will serve you processed glop and cal lit food but it has aspartame,and all kinds of mind numbing chemicals in it. Then after you eat, you go back to work until quitting time, no play time, just get the shower, if you're lucky and go to bed, get up at maybe 4 am? and start all over again. That's the world these monsters want.
Now does any body really want to let this happen? Becuz it already is!!!
No, no! Everybody cannot lie around getting all wasted! The rulers wouldn't get any work done! Remember? We have to wait until such time as when they turn us loose from our shackles and tell us to go have a smoke or a drink. That will be our 10 min break.
You will be chained to your workstation with a bed and a cafeteria where they will serve you processed glop and cal lit food but it has aspartame,and all kinds of mind numbing chemicals in it. Then after you eat, you go back to work until quitting time, no play time, just get the shower, if you're lucky and go to bed, get up at maybe 4 am? and start all over again. That's the world these monsters want.
Now does any body really want to let this happen? Becuz it already is!!!
People dont lie around and get wasted in amsterdam they all ride bikes to work and back and are the happyist country on earth as they have there freedom to smoke what they like if you have never been then you would think pot = lazyness because thats what your taught to believe by a country that has by choice banned this substance and told everyone its evil, but its a lie spun by the demons in power and people fall for it cause they never have the money too see that the grass is greener on the other side. Go and you will see a hardworking city people who smoke flying round on bikes in there swarms its the lie that needs debunking watch a few videos and see the truth or better yet go there yourself and see the amazing art works by the greats :)
drhemp
20-06-2009, 11:25 PM
Our lying government cites concern for the youth as one of the reasons cannabis must remain illegal, yet in The Netherlands they have lower usage of cannabis amongst minors than we do in the UK, this is simply because in The Netherlands cannabis is purchased in licensed coffeeshops that do not sell to minors because there are strict penalties for selling cannabis to minors in a coffeeshop, i.e., they get a big fine and a warning if they do it once, and get closed down if they do it again; therefore they all take great measures to ensure cannabis is not illegally sold to under 18s. In this country were supply is left to the black market there are no such deterrents to selling cannabis to minors, which is almost certainly why cannabis use is higher amongst minors, not only in the UK, but in other countries surrounding Holland where cannabis is also illegal.
kurupted_flesh
20-06-2009, 11:48 PM
When are they banning Salvia? Need to cop me some of that shit.
I'm currently on Remeron - a prescription drug that will give you dreams, and sometimes half-awake "hallucinations", as trippy as the trippiest shit you'll try.
Fucking hate this nanny state shit.
google the side effects of remeron.
jaggysnake
21-06-2009, 01:00 PM
I bought some "Spice gold" last week. it is one of the highs they want to ban. Its like a weed alternative and I can tell you that it really does work. I was almost certain that it was just going to be a scam, but seriously if you want to get stoned buy some of this stuff, it's just about as good as the real stuff.
a couple of weeks ago i tried those turbo 3 bzp pills ..not fun. within 30 minutes i had the strangest head ache which ive never felt before. the pain was localised to my pineal gland, it felt like my head was about to pop. ended up having to take 4 anadins to ease the pain which took it off thankfully. just wondered if anyone else has had that happen?
last weekend i tried a couple of those legal doves (3 for £12) they are just like mdma..really enjoyed them and they lasted a good 8 hours but the come down the next day was horrendous. my friend took four with hardly any effect, just kept him awake all night.
i doubt i will take them again ..getting to old to be staying awake for 24 hours straight wishing i could sleep. me poor old bones cant take it.
anything that makes you feel so poorly the next day should be left in the shop tbh ..but thats just my take on it. some people can handle the come down more than others. the doves really do work though in fact i'd say they are much better than the illegal pills you can get on the street which is why i gave up the illegal pills in the first place many years ago because they really were naff.
i've had more spiritual experiences in a natural state rather than getting high apart from the salvia of course. salvia is special.
but each to their own. it will be a real shame when they do ban these legal highs. but as i mentioned anything that gives intense pain to the pineal has made me question are they really worth taking if they affect the pineal in such a way
dreamweaver
21-06-2009, 03:13 PM
Such a shame, better and more entertaining than anything the government ever offered me or told me was 'ok'
The illegal drugs usage will soar I can guarantee it.
That's the idea. The more people they can criminalise, the better.
anything that makes you feel so poorly the next day should be left in the shop tbh .
Thats why i dont drink :cool:
Obama half-brother on drug charge
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7862691.stm
George Obama was arrested in Nairobi with one joint of marijuana, police chief Joshua Omokulongolo said. "He is not a drug peddler. But it is illegal, it is a banned substance," he said. Mr Obama has denied the allegations.
The US president and George Obama share the same father, but are thought to have only met each other briefly.
George Obama, who is in his 20s, is due in court on Monday.
"They took me from my home," George Obama told reporters in Nairobi from his jail cell. " I don't know why they are charging me."
Crazy locked up for having one joint whats the world coming too :eek:
alexc
01-07-2009, 08:49 PM
Crazy locked up for having one joint whats the world coming too :eek:
I'll feel better when we start putting drug dealers to death. They're murdering our children, we should be executing them.
The war will never be won as the dealers will always deal untill the goverment takes control of the drugs trade and makes it as safe as possible for users to use their chosen substance and the billions made could be pumped into the NHS and other services.
I dont agree with killing the dealers sorry jail yes after all if there was no demand there would be no dealer.
drhemp
01-07-2009, 09:51 PM
I'll feel better when we start putting drug dealers to death. They're murdering our children, we should be executing them.
Nice.
alexc
01-07-2009, 10:35 PM
The war will never be won as the dealers will always deal untill the goverment takes control of the drugs trade and makes it as safe as possible for users to use their chosen substance and the billions made could be pumped into the NHS and other services.
I dont agree with killing the dealers sorry jail yes after all if there was no demand there would be no dealer.
The war will never be won as long as we keep letting poison seller off with a slap on the wrist and a few fines. The kidnapping rate was the lowest in the USA when kidnapping was a capital offense. When the death penalty is used and used promptly it acts as a deterrent. As things stand the appeals drag out an execution for decades, you might as well give a life sentence for murder.
The kidnapping rate skyrocketed in the years after the death penalty was no longer mandatory, or even an option for kidnapping. The modern rashes of kidnappings stem as much from the lack of a real punishment for offenders as anything else.
How may low level dealers will still deal drugs if they know they WILL be executed if caught and they WILL only get a year or two for the appeals process?
Execute them, and do it publicly to maximize the humiliation they experience. That too will discourage this kind of garbage.