Freeman Neil Jones.

[aryan57]

As some of you will know, freeman Neil Jones is in prison. Today I had a letter from Neil in reply to a message of support. He is concerned about the FTAC (Fixed Threat Assesment Centre), they want him to undergo a psychiatric examination because of his belief sysytmem and he is refusing. This can happen to anyone of us because of OUR belief system.

YOU can be held under these wicked laws and effectively, you disappear because someone does'nt like your views. Just like in the Soviet Union. I appeal to you all to send Neil messages of support, letters, cards, etc, so that the so called authorities can see that he is not forgotten and dont feel they can act against him with impunity.

Whatever he may have done or not done, he deserves the right to a speedy court hearing where he can put his side of things in the public domain. Neil's court date of june 3rd was cancelled and he does not have a new one. So he is in limbo.

The addres for Neil Jones is:

Neil Jones AM9079, House Block 2A, HMP Docaster, Marshgate. DNS 8UX

[abigail]

As some of you will know, freeman Neil Jones is in prison. Today I had a letter from Neil in reply to a message of support. He is concerned about the FTAC (Fixed Threat Assesment Centre), they want him to undergo a psychiatric examination because of his belief sysytmem and he is refusing. This can happen to anyone of us because of OUR belief system.

YOU can be held under these wicked laws and effectively, you disappear because someone does'nt like your views. Just like in the Soviet Union. I appeal to you all to send Neil messages of support, letters, cards, etc, so that the so called authorities can see that he is not forgotten and dont feel they can act against him with impunity.

Whatever he may have done or not done, he deserves the right to a speedy court hearing where he can put his side of things in the public domain. Neil's court date of june 3rd was cancelled and he does not have a new one. So he is in limbo.

The addres for Neil Jones is:

Neil Jones AM9079, House Block 2A, HMP Docaster, Marshgate. DNS 8UX


What did he do to end up in prison?

[yozhik]

Habeus Corpus ... which basically means "present the body".
get his family, friends or lawyer (if he has one) to file for Habeus Corpus.

Regardless of their determination to enforce a psych evaluation, this can be filed ... unless of course they're claiming he is an international terrorist.

[aryan57]

According to what I read on the TPUC forum, and Neil says as much in his letter, they found a pepper spray in his house when it was searched. It's claimed to be an offensive weapon. Some ladies carry them for protection.

He also hints that he has some information on the Jill Dando murder and this and other things could be the reason they are playing hardball with him. I really dont know what they say he has done but my point is that he should be able to appear in court and to put his side of things. Thats not asking too much, I hope. He says that at his last court appearance, the judge emptied the public gallery and remanded his body into custody. The prison appears not to know how long he is there for as no court date has yet been set.

[girlgye]

According to what I read on the TPUC forum, and Neil says as much in his letter, they found a pepper spray in his house when it was searched. It's claimed to be an offensive weapon. Some ladies carry them for protection.

He also hints that he has some information on the Jill Dando murder and this and other things could be the reason they are playing hardball with him. I really dont know what they say he has done but my point is that he should be able to appear in court and to put his side of things. Thats not asking too much, I hope. He says that at his last court appearance, the judge emptied the public gallery and remanded his body into custody. The prison appears not to know how long he is there for as no court date has yet been set.

Even so it seems a bit harsh that he is imprisoned for being in possession of pepper spray. Saying he knows about Jill Dando (a case that has been re-opened) may mean he is being detained for psychiatric assessment. No statute laws are being broken. Sounds like he is known to them for alot more than you claim.

[1694]

maybe he should be refered to as just Neil Jones for now.

[girlgye]

maybe he should be refered to as just Neil Jones for now.

oo ya bitch. lol

[dharmic one]

I'm intrigued. How did they actually get him to prison if, as a freeman, he had in his possession an estoppel barring all charges under an act being brought against him?

Unfortunately, I believe that many who claim to be free have in fact not taken the appropriate steps to establish properly that freedom.

I intend to claim the right to carry firearms of equal or greater force than any offending party that may choose to use them against me to break the law. I feel that once I have the estoppel because no-one has objected, the police will have to pay my ass to even discuss my possession of said firearm. Them detaining or bringing charges against me would be breaking the law.

I feel that I can adequately explain this to law enforcement. I feel there is much more to this than at first glance. What rights or freedoms has he actually claimed?

[girlgye]

I'm intrigued. How did they actually get him to prison if, as a freeman, he had in his possession an estoppel barring all charges under an act being brought against him?

Unfortunately, I believe that many who claim to be free have in fact not taken the appropriate steps to establish properly that freedom.

I intend to claim the right to carry firearms of equal or greater force than any offending party that may choose to use them against me to break the law. I feel that once I have the estoppel because no-one has objected, the police will have to pay my ass to even discuss my possession of said firearm. Them detaining or bringing charges against me would be breaking the law.

I feel that I can adequately explain this to law enforcement. I feel there is much more to this than at first glance. What rights or freedoms has he actually claimed?

You might want to speak to some of our American counterparts on the firearms situation some of whom are in jail and some of whom have made it onto prime time news and are being classed as terrorists. Why dance with the devil. Live by the sword die by the sword.

[dharmic one]

You might want to speak to some of our American counterparts on the firearms situation some of whom are in jail and some of whom have made it onto prime time news and are being classed as terrorists. Why dance with the devil. Live by the sword die by the sword.

I appreciate very much your words of caution. You are accurate in your dancing with the devil statement...I can believe entirely that people are being treated this way. I intend to claim the right to carry them. Not necessarily to actually carry them. I don't think it is needed at the moment but give it a year or two and this country might be in complete chaos!!! then they might really come in handy. For at that time if an officer tries to force me into his car he will need a f***in army!!! I'd rather die free than live in jail!!! It may sound reckless but what happened in the revolutions of the past? People gave their lives for what they believe in.....I genuinely believe that f it comes to it, for our children's sake we must all do our best peacefully to try to avert this tyranny, but if that fails......

I intend to state to any officer that I have lawfully and properly established the right to do such a thing and that they do not have my consent to engage in the transaction of any security interest in my name.

This is what I think happened to the man in question. It is no good claiming to be free when you cannot adequately explain to an officer or judge how it is you came to have this understanding. which is again why I implore people to do their own research because, like you have illustrated, not doing so can land you in very deep trouble. Unfortunately I think this is what the guy in the op has done.

I think the best we can do is support the guy the best we can.

Peace and love to all........

[number_6]

then they might really come in handy. For at that time if an officer tries to force me into his car he will need a f***in army!!!


Why is it that so many people when opposing a governing system actually become a duplicate of the very system they are opposing

[dharmic one]

Why is it that so many people when opposing a governing system actually become a duplicate of the very system they are opposing


I do not oppose anything my friend, yet I do have a question for you......why is it that "some" feel they have the right to take a quote completely out of context and apply all manner of judgments..as you do on many of these threads?

It is rare that you even have anything positive to contribute and I think you revel in taking one sentence from something that someone says to attempt to discredit their post. It is a lame tactic my friend and everyone is beginning to see........

Hence your inability to address me directly in your question...by "some people" you mean me but are too convoluted in your thinking to type simply.

Contrary to what you may be assuming of these words at this very moment, I bid you a good day with peace and love...:):);)

Paul

[number_6]

I do not oppose anything my friend, yet I do have a question for you......why is it that "some" feel they have the right to take a quote completely out of context and apply all manner of judgments..as you do on many of these threads?

It is rare that you even have anything positive to contribute and I think you revel in taking one sentence from something that someone says to attempt to discredit their post. It is a lame tactic my friend and everyone is beginning to see........

Hence your inability to address me directly in your question...by "some people" you mean me but are too convoluted in your thinking to type simply.

Contrary to what you may be assuming of these words at this very moment, I bid you a good day with peace and love...:):);)

Paul

Hi. I really was not attempting to discredit your post, however I would say that I did find your comments disturbing. When I said "so many people" it was not directly aimed at yourself, but was an observation that very frequently people when fighting a cause do become exactly that they oppose. Perhaps that is a fact of human nature, but it is a frightening reality, and also I probably was accusing you of the same.
The reason I quoted only one sentance was apart from quoting the whole post wastes everybodys' time, the sentance I quoted sums up the point I am making. I will address you directly if that is what you prefer. My worry is that in your posts you wish us peace and love, but at the same time you say you are willing to carry a firearm. You also imply (forgive me if I have misunderstood) that if carrying a firearm at the time of any possible arrest that an army would be required to overcome you. By this are you saying that you are willing to use such a firearm against the police? Because if this is so, if anything your actions are worse than the police you object to.

[dharmic one]

My worry is that in your posts you wish us peace and love, but at the same time you say you are willing to carry a firearm. You also imply (forgive me if I have misunderstood) that if carrying a firearm at the time of any possible arrest that an army would be required to overcome you. By this are you saying that you are willing to use such a firearm against the police? Because if this is so, if anything your actions are worse than the police you object to.

The important thing I would like to emphasise here is that you allude to hypocrisy in my arguments, again I think out of context. I appreciate that suggestions of violence in any form can be viewed as disturbing. Particularly in the present tense.

I emphasize when I discuss these things with family members that I honestly believe that it is possible that the country I live in could descend temporarily into a state of chaos and while I am 99% an optimist, like the composition of the yin /yang symbol I also am a pragmatist as well as idealist. I believe that I am the epitome in this experience of a dualistic nature, but a dualism that once is integrated, can lead to a higher state of consciousness. This is a path that is frightening and rewarding beyond description. But on my path I have come to accept some of the darker sides of myself and not shirk from showing them in the hope of integrating them into my being, accepting them for what they are....states of mind, and transcending the duality. I am far from there, my friend, but I think the path is the goal.

Put simply, what you may allude to as hypocrisy (understandably), I view as the expression of my dualistic nature. Ironically, I think that the day I overcome this dualism I will have transcended the necessity of speech and somehow I would be able to convey my thoughts without the sometimes ineffable barrier of language.

When you say "your actions are worse" you refer to actions taking place in the present tense. This serves to emphasise the possibility that fear underlies your argument, a very persuasive appeal to the fear based ego of the reader, tapping away at my medula oblongata. I feel that this tempts me to react with outrage that you should suggest things about my character but I hope to resist this.

So I welcome your thoughts and observations but I genuinely believe that you failed to address my accusations without (possibly unknowingly) resorting to language which is a little deceptive in nature, in that simply serves to misdirect instead of clarify.

The reason I say this is that will admit I am capable of mixing passion with aggression, which is another thing I attempt to overcome daily and accept as part of my nature, hence the army quote you alluded to. I feel you have used this though to attempt to further discredit my statements by appealing to the emotional fear based ego of the reader, instead of considering the intended meaning of my comments. If I was not clear then forgive me, but while I try to be eloquent I do put my foot right in my mouth on occasion......

Feel free to correct me, and touche, but I still believe that the comments I made regarding your possible motives or underlying tendencies in your arguments still stand to reason, vagaries in your statements I feel obscure your motives for quoting the statement. but that is just my opinion and I genuinely do bid you a good night and a peaceful existence.



Paul

[skaarlaw]

Newbie here

Just noticed something whilst reading the Magna Carta.

39. No freemen shall be taken or imprisoned or disseised or exiled or in any way destroyed, nor will we go upon him nor send upon him, except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land.

As far as I know, said imprisoned being has not broken law of the land and as has been mentioned before, not been lawfully judged.

So I can also conclude something's not right. :\

[number_6]

When you say "your actions are worse" you refer to actions taking place in the present tense. This serves to emphasise the possibility that fear underlies your argument, a very persuasive appeal to the fear based ego of the reader, tapping away at my medula oblongata. I feel that this tempts me to react with outrage that you should suggest things about my character but I hope to resist this.
Paul

Ok, point taken, forgive me. Perhaps I should have said that if in the hypothetical scenario you describe, you, yourself are willing to use the firearms you talk of against a fellow human being, then that particular action could be considered worse than the actions of those attempting to arrest you. I wasn't implying anything in the present tense.
But, as I have said, this is not a personal attack on you. Beleive me. It is just an observation of human nature. You (not you personally!) become what you fight. But, I beleive truly, that it need not be the case, but it is difficult. If only people would step back and look at their own actions, and recognise that in their persuit of an ideal world it is important not to resort to the same negative actions as those that try to prevent you achieving your happiness.

[tom bombadil]

I am one of those chaps that wishes to carry a firearm or other without judgement from anyone.

We live in a place of temptation. It is easy for a robber to rob as they are asured that most dont carry arms. It is easy for a copper to break the rules on another man down also to the lack of fear.

If we all carried arms then it would be likely that we are left alone.

I dont put the US in this picture even though they can carry due to the fact that most folk would not use those arms on a copper. They think that the copper has the right to stop them. It would change if their rights as man was well known.

A cop that sees you with a weapon will think twice about asking you where you are off to. They would need a reason.


Also it is not the same thing to be carrying a weapon as it is for the copper. The copper will come to me to lay down the law. I would not need to go to him to do the same as I am sure that he is free to choose.
I dont feel the urge to confront the cop with my way of thinking, and if I did and they drew a weapon, then I would say 'good day to ya!' and leave. The problem is that coppers today do not go along their own way at all. They push their oppinions into my mush. It is at the moment a one way street.

Having a weapon for safety is natural. In the same way as I feel naked when I go camping if I dont have a bag on my back, then I feel safer when I have my billhook in my belt. I have a good reason to have one with me at all times (I made sure of it) and it is surprising just how folk take it in their stride. I walk into banks and stores and market places with it on full show, and it has been 'clocked' by cops before now, and in the same way you all would not look twice at a guy with a chainsaw anymore, then I feel it would be the same way if we all did carry arms.

Oddly enough, it is strange to me that I do have reason at all to carry this thing. For around my town I am seen to be carrying it by all and with no problems. I sometimes forget I have it on untill I sit down and jab my ribs.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/Rebel-Yell/wilksword_billhook01.jpg

Above is my latest, but I think that I would be taken with even less regard if I carried one with a wooden handle.


Nelly.

[number_6]

I really am beginning to get worried now.

[tom bombadil]

I really am beginning to get worried now.

Lol :D:p It was just a point. And one I stand by. It is always sharp so will do its job with no problems.....

With rights come responsabilities to the holder of those rights.


Nelly.

[number_6]

Lol :D:p It was just a point.

Pun intended?

[merlincove]

tom b, were you saying that a x bow is 'legal' in the sense that it isn't an illegal weapon, and as such can be carried openly in the uk?

[tom bombadil]

Pun intended?

No! I giggled at your worry.

tom b, were you saying that a x bow is 'legal' in the sense that it isn't an illegal weapon, and as such can be carried openly in the uk?

Not exactilybut more below. The main point was ( and I said "I am one of those chaps that wishes to carry a firearm or other without judgement from anyone.") that if one has reason in todays world to carry an axe or gun then no one, copper or otherwise need worry or indeed need bother with me. Another point was that when anyone confronts a chap with such an appendage, it is suprising just how much more respect one has from them. A copper might ask you as aposed to tell you their oppinion, like "would that thing not be better in a bag?" or "wow! that looks grusesome!" One is a 'kind-a' command while the other is just recognition of the fact and to state that the copper knows its there, whether this is relivant or not is up to the individual it is aimed at.

When I do go around with this billhook, I mostly get comment from kids. Like 'cor' or 'look at that' to his mates (girls dont bother with it at all).

Back to your main point merlincove. It is already fine to do such a thing. In the wilds one might see a guy with a firearm as he patroles the farm in the morn to bag a deer, or by a club one might see many individuals carrying crossbows from the pub carpark to the field with not even a cardboard cop to be seen as these things are acceptable in todays life. How much better then if to carry a device that is intended to be a weapon rather than one that could double as such without problems from folk that think that you should not carry on for their own safety.


Nelly.

[girlgye]

When you say "your actions are worse" you refer to actions taking place in the present tense. This serves to emphasise the possibility that fear underlies your argument, a very persuasive appeal to the fear based ego of the reader, tapping away at my medula oblongata. I feel that this tempts me to react with outrage that you should suggest things about my character but I hope to resist this.




Paul

:D hehehehehehehehehe
You know I'm having a particular BAD day.

Myocardial Infarction springs to mind. I have to respond to yet another set of paper work from these inane fools just babbling laws at me and threatenting me with prison.. But really just wanting LOADSA MONEY. Perhaps my limbic region just needs a good ol chilli pepper.

[dharmic one]

Back to your main point merlincove. It is already fine to do such a thing. In the wilds one might see a guy with a firearm as he patroles the farm in the morn to bag a deer, or by a club one might see many individuals carrying crossbows from the pub carpark to the field with not even a cardboard cop to be seen as these things are acceptable in todays life. How much better then if to carry a device that is intended to be a weapon rather than one that could double as such without problems from folk that think that you should not carry on for their own safety.


Nelly.

There are some good points mad hear. I dislike certain things about my fellow beings at times, one of them is their instant ability to presume the worst of their countrymen. It is as if fear has gripped the nation for decades and now being different is becoming viewed as scary or dangerous.

Look how Nick Griffin got treated at the commons the other day. I'm no right-wing fascist racist, but who was throwing those eggs and pelting him with abuse, telling him he can't speak, yet celebrating their so-called Democracy down the pub afterwards?

They would have all thought twice if he had a bow and arrow with him!!!

This is moronic thinking I think. I do not have to agree with his views. That does not mean in any circumstance that I have the right to shut someone else up because I don't like what they are saying. We are turning slowly into a country of absolute tolerance of the evils of government but absolute intolerance of our fellow countryman's rights.

This place is coming like a ghost town.

I'm gonna call the ghostbusters......:D

[tom bombadil]

Cor! Two tracks in one :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4uxIo4t7xM



I think the last bit of yours sums it up.....divide and rule



Nelly.

[joy division]

You might want to speak to some of our American counterparts on the firearms situation some of whom are in jail and some of whom have made it onto prime time news and are being classed as terrorists. Why dance with the devil. Live by the sword die by the sword.

Are you saying these people should have shot there way out rather than be jailed?

just curious

[stickwhistler]

Freeman Neil Jones is Freeman Neil Jones again. :)

http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2366&p=22352#p22352

[comma berenices]

Freeman Neil Jones is Freeman Neil Jones again. :)

http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2366&p=22352#p22352

That's wonderful news,i have been following the thread on tpuc forum,i'm so happy neil is back with his family,he should never have been remanded imho.:)

[madbomberjones]

Hi,

I just recently stumbled across this thread. And I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has shown an interest and concern about my plight. Although I am now out of jail, unfortunately this nightmare is far from over.

I have included a couple of links below, which I hope will explain the situation for anyone interested.

As far as the pepper spray goes, in a nut shell, the counter terrorist unit did a five day fingertip search of my home, and did not find anything, however when the terrorism charges were dropped against me, Rotherham police went into my home and managed to miraculously find the alleged pepper spray pretty much straight away!

For those still interested in these events, I have started to upload a lot of relevant documents to this site, in the hope that it will assist any interested parties in making their own mind up http://s632.photobucket.com/albums/uu45/madbomberjones/

http://the-tap.blogspot.com/2009/02/dando-cover-up-gets-more-sinister.html may also be of interest, as asides from the recorded interview with a journalist (recommended for my own preservation!) it is probably the only site left with comprehensive information that I tried to expose before my arrest regarding the Jill Dando murder.

Thank you all so much for all your kind words and support throughout this traumatic experience.

My very best to you all,
Neil

[madbomberjones]

http://tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2366&start=260

Just wanted to link you to where I give a little mention of thanks to all the good people in this forum for your help, support and interest. Thank you guys and girls! Merry Xmas.