My Interview on School Fingerprinting

[hagbard_celine]

http://rinf.com/alt-news/multimedia/rinf-podcast-biometric-schools/851/

It may interest members to know that the subject of this interview is ME.

I spoke a bit too fast for a telephone interview; sorry if I'm a bit indistinct. They've put it up very quickly though. I only recorded it yesterday evening.

[chattanova]

http://rinf.com/alt-news/multimedia/rinf-podcast-biometric-schools/851/

It may interest members to know that the subject of this interview is ME.

I spoke a bit too fast for a telephone interview; sorry if I'm a bit indistinct. They've put it up very quickly though. I only recorded it yesterday evening.

Well done hagbard_celine:):) Did you know that you're also in the david icke headlines? http://www.davidicke.com/content/blogcategory/30/82/

[hagbard_celine]

Well done hagbard_celine:):) Did you know that you're also in the david icke headlines? http://www.davidicke.com/content/blogcategory/30/82/

Thanks, mate. Yeah, I saw that. It's good to know that making an issue of this has not been in vain. I knew David would take it seriously too because Jaymie's about the same age as my daughter; he's in school too.

The Oxford Mail is a mainstream tabloid and a former Robert Maxwell paper, but it was very supportive of me too. Chris Buratta, the journalist wrote the original article that RINF copied and he was very much on my side.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

nice interview there , haggers.

Can't fault you on the topic this time :D

Bloody disgusting this finger printing lark.

[lottie]

way to go hagbard- you da man!!!! :D:p:cool:

[friendsinthesky]

You are doing good work hagbard celine.

[klinker]

I've just listened to the interview. Nice one.

Crafty fuckers know they are bang our of order by trying to back door it via the school library and claiming it was announced in a news letter.

I'm just waiting to hear back from a family member to see if her eldest lad has been fingerprinted at school.

[william_mac]

Very good. Bravo. As a journalist this was very interesting to listen to, well spoken.

I wish I had a english accent. I could talk about the most senseless things, and I bet I would still sound incredibly smart and important. Not that this was in anyway senseless, I'm just saying, I wish I had an english accent.



-William-Mac.com

[hagbard_celine]

Thanks for your support, guys. :) The school fingerprinting agenda is definitely conected to the general database state agenda, like the national identity card. The govt know that the current adult population will not submit to it, but the future generations will if they've been taught to consider it normal and everyday, a practice that they've been under since school. And the authorities want to start them off younger and younger: http://rinf.com/alt-news/surveillance-big-brother/4-year-olds-now-being-fingerprinted/857/

I'm just waiting to hear back from a family member to see if her eldest lad has been fingerprinted at school.

Klinker, if your family-member's child has already been finger printed, then it's not the end of the world. There are ways and means of getting his entry erased from the system. Here is an excellent site, run by our very own Dondaz, that will give you advice:

http://www.leavethemkidsalone.com/

[reptilianshapeshifter]

yes i agree 100%. There's never been any need to have student's fingerprints. We managed for hundreds of years without it, why now?

It's obviously a way to get them used to having their privacy invaded so that it's a normal way of life.

Microchipping at birth next.

[hagbard_celine]

yes i agree 100%. There's never been any need to have student's fingerprints. We managed for hundreds of years without it, why now?

It's obviously a way to get them used to having their privacy invaded so that it's a normal way of life.

Microchipping at birth next.

You took the words right out of my mouth there, Rep.

The national identity database is a Joker in the pack. Once it's there it can be used to control and subdue in a number of different ways. The ultimate apogee would be the identity card you can't throw away or leave at home: the one inside your body. They do indeed want kids microchipped at birth. The chip would be sold as a way of keeping them safe from kidnappers and a way of finding them if they run away. They're marketed today under brands that give this benevalent imprerssion with names like "Digital Angel".

The battle is to counter the programme of making this technology socially accpetable by indoctrinating the next generation. The govt have people and organizations to convince people, using psychological manipulation, to persuade them to want something. One is the Tavistock Institute. Also, watch John White's lecture on Edward L Bernays.

[lemonique]

I caught your interview from Infowars ! Ahha I thought, I think I know who that is ;)


Well done Hagbard.. proud of you

Cheers

[klinker]

Klinker, if your family-member's child has already been finger printed, then it's not the end of the world. There are ways and means of getting his entry erased from the system. Here is an excellent site, run by our very own Dondaz, that will give you advice:

http://www.leavethemkidsalone.com/

Thanks for this friend. I have just heard back and the lad (he's 13) has been fingerprinted, photographed and numbered. :mad::mad::mad: The school did not ask permission.

I have forwarded the relevant information to this family member.

Thanks again.

[hagbard_celine]

I caught your interview from Infowars ! Ahha I thought, I think I know who that is ;)


Well done Hagbard.. proud of you

Cheers

Cheers, Lemonique

:)

[hagbard_celine]

Thanks for this friend. I have just heard back and the lad (he's 13) has been fingerprinted, photographed and numbered. :mad::mad::mad: The school did not ask permission.

I have forwarded the relevant information to this family member.

Thanks again.

That's great news! I'd like to see the school who did this made aware of their accountability.

The way that the schools and Local Education Authorities are behaving in such a sneaky and evasive way sound to me like a "Pyramid of Threats: the decision to implemenmt the fingerprint ID system was made by just a handful of people in Westminster, but they send a message to all the LEA heads: "Get this done or we'll sack you!" The LEA heads then said to their staff: "Do this or we'll sack you" because they knew full well that they'd get sacked themselves if they failed! The LEA staff then go to the headmasters and make the same threat for the same reason and so on.

I'm sure that most of the school teachers don't want to leave their kids an Orwellian state, but they feel they have to to keep their careers safe... And they may be correct! But when it comes down to it they need to ask themselves: "Is my career really worth it if I'm have to do such unethical things to keep it?" They can't use the excuse of "I'm just doing my job; it's not my fault." We're all responsible for our actions and you can't shift the blame onto your boss.

Imsgine if everyone started saying: "Well, even though my bosses in the Govt/LEA/Headmaster's office have told me to do this, I'm not going to because it's bad" The Pyramid of Threats would collapse! And if everyone does it, you wouldn't even have to sacrifice your career! They can't sack everyone, can they!?:cool:

[anoninnyc]

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

just listened to it. great job. i remember as a kid the school took my fingerprints with the reasoning of if i get kidnapped etc it will help protect me somehow.............hmmm............yeah. only in identifying my dead body, but my dental records would work just as well.

[truthsayer]

The NWO is really working at full steam! It gets more incredible with each passing day.

I was impressed with your actions Ben fighting for your kids rights and it looks like more parents are doing the same.

“People have to be stark, raving mad to use conventional biometrics to improve the efficiency of a children’s lunch line.” - Kim Cameron, architect of identity and access in Microsoft’s connected systems division.

Edit to add, school is not compulsory in UK so their reasoning behind this is instantly flawed.

[truthsayer]

I've been looking into this subject some more and their is clear law violation here.

Jim Knight, minister at the DCSF, in reference to the Data Protection Act 1998 and its implications on children as data subjects:

The Data Protection Act 1998 does not specify when a person is (or may be considered to be) too young to give consent. It is a matter of judgement that must be made on a case by case basis by the school as the data controller. Only where a pupil is judged to be unable to understand what is involved will his or her rights be exercisable by the parent or someone with parental responsibility for the pupil.

For the purposes of the Act the pupils themselves are “data subjects”: it is they who should in the first instance be informed and consulted about the use of their personal data. Deciding when children are mature enough to decide how their personal information should be used is difficult. On the one hand, as children mature they are entitled to an increasing measure of autonomy. On the other hand, while children might understand a simple explanation of why their fingerprints are being taken, they may well not appreciate the potential wider implications.

There is nothing explicit in the Act to require schools to seek consent from all parents before implementing a fingerprinting application. However, unless schools can be certain that all children understand the implications of giving their fingerprints, they must fully involve parents in order to ensure that the information is obtained fairly. Parents play a central role in their children’s education, in terms of support and guidance, and also in terms of legal liability, for example in case of truancy. They therefore rightly expect to be informed and consulted when biometric systems are introduced in their child’s school.
What ARCH (http://archrights.wordpress.com/) says:

Since there is nothing explicit about age in the DPA, we have to turn to the common law position that parents are responsible for their children until they reach 16. It’s not just a matter of consulting them because they can ‘rightly’ expect to be consulted: it’s a matter of law.

Yes, of course children as data subjects must have a say in what happens to their data – but they also have rights under Article 5 (http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/k2crc.htm) of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child to consult their parents in the exercise of their rights, and parents have the corresponding right to give such guidance ‘in a manner consistent with the evolving capacities of the child’.

[splinterg]

Respect to you Hagbard for shining the light..now its up to every parent to follow suit and help stamp out this blatant invasion of human rights..If enough people ring their respected kids schools to enquire about the fingerprinting scam it should eventually bring about emergency meetings all round the country demanded by the parents at which the headteachers are held responsible for answers and reason..Remember the governors hate exposure especially when its a united mass

What good is the great start and example set by Hagbard if we leave it here and let the light fade?

We must act..pronto

[anoninnyc]

Respect to you Hagbard for shining the light..now its up to every parent to follow suit and help stamp out this blatant invasion of human rights..If enough people ring their respected kids schools to enquire about the fingerprinting scam it should eventually bring about emergency meetings all round the country demanded by the parents at which the headteachers are held responsible for answers and reason..Remember the governors hate exposure especially when its a united mass

What good is the great start and example set by Hagbard if we leave it here and let the light fade?

We must act..pronto

well said. as i have a baby on the way i am especially thankful for his actions. though i am in the usa, this is a problem that is much larger than the uk or usa..... and much larger than just fingerprinting. kudos to hagbard for standing up for his daughter. and in a sense for all of us.

now i have a question...... why couldn't a parent just fingerprint their own child and keep it in a safety deposit box or something like that? it is not that i think the government can do much harm with the fingerprints of my child. maybe i just have a weak imagination there but for me it is more of a stepping stone to get us complacent about something that they could really mess with. like a genetic sample of some sort, even a strand of hair, etc.

[hagbard_celine]

Thanks for your support, guys. :) It's good that this is getting into the mainstream media. Chris Buratta, the reporter who did the original newspaper story, was very much on our side, I felt.

It's Poll Tax time again!:cool:

[hagbard_celine]

I've been looking into this subject some more and their is clear law violation here.

Jim Knight, minister at the DCSF, in reference to the Data Protection Act 1998 and its implications on children as data subjects:

What ARCH (http://archrights.wordpress.com/) says:

You can see how regulations and guidelines designed to protect our rights are there by definition of the word, but only can be brought into force when we understand them and assert them. We can't reply on the authorities to do it for us because they will do their best to avoid any laws that impede their interests. That's why civil defense oprganizations and popular campaigns are so important.

Well done, Dondaz!:cool:

[hagbard_celine]

well said. as i have a baby on the way i am especially thankful for his actions. though i am in the usa, this is a problem that is much larger than the uk or usa..... and much larger than just fingerprinting. kudos to hagbard for standing up for his daughter. and in a sense for all of us.

now i have a question...... why couldn't a parent just fingerprint their own child and keep it in a safety deposit box or something like that? it is not that i think the government can do much harm with the fingerprints of my child. maybe i just have a weak imagination there but for me it is more of a stepping stone to get us complacent about something that they could really mess with. like a genetic sample of some sort, even a strand of hair, etc.


Cheers, Anoninnyc:). And you know this is a global conspiracy. What takes place in the UK will come to the USA too. I'm glad to say that I'm sure your child will grow up in a better world than we did.:cool:

The question you pose is a good one and the answer is simple: If we had ownership of our own biometric records then it would defeat the purpose as sure as non-stick glue! The govt couldn't use it to control us!

You had your fingerprints taken? So did a friend of mine a long time ago when she was a kid. She went on a school outing to a police station. Part of the trip was the policeman demonstrating how fingerprints were taken by doing it on one of the kids; she volunteered. After the trip, by law, the prints could either be given to my friend to take home or destroyed, but the plice did neither. Many years later, when she was arrested as an adult, she was taken into the police station and founs that they already had her prints! they'd only kept the prints she'd had done as achild and opened a file on her!:eek::mad: This is why I said what I did to Truthsayer above. We can't expect the authorities to uphold their own laws that protect us.

[anoninnyc]

Cheers, Anoninnyc:). And you know this is a global conspiracy. What takes place in the UK will come to the USA too. I'm glad to say that I'm sure your child will grow up in a better world than we did.:cool:

The question you pose is a good one and the answer is simple: If we had ownership of our own biometric records then it would defeat the purpose as sure as non-stick glue! The govt couldn't use it to control us!

You had your fingerprints taken? So did a friend of mine a long time ago when she was a kid. She went on a school outing to a police station. Part of the trip was the policeman demonstrating how fingerprints were taken by doing it on one of the kids; she volunteered. After the trip, by law, the prints could either be given to my friend to take home or destroyed, but the plice did neither. Many years later, when she was arrested as an adult, she was taken into the police station and founs that they already had her prints! they'd only kept the prints she'd had done as achild and opened a file on her!:eek::mad: This is why I said what I did to Truthsayer above. We can't expect the authorities to uphold their own laws that protect us.

woah, ok that is a scary story of your friend. guess they can do harm with a copy of your fingerprints. that would be completely unconstitutional in the usa, but as i keep on forgetting our constitution has been violated again and again and is basically useless now.

yes as a child i had my fingerprints taken. it was elementary school, could have been anywhere from kindergarden to second grade, don't recall exactly but i do remember that the police came in that day and everyones prints were taken as a child protection safety measure. in case we were kidnapped or something like that they said. not sure if we had to have our parents permission or not, but i doubt it. besides, my mother was so naive about these things as most were back then (and now too i am afraid) that i am sure she would have allowed it if permission was even asked.

i applaud you for taking a stand. seems like our world is moving in such a a dark direction and so quickly.... but we could change things if we all did one thing like you did.