Stoned to death for adultry

[eternal_spirit]

Introduction

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/images/arrow.gif Warning! This is an extremely sick and disgusting punishment, and thus watching this video can make you weak or possibly give you nausea and shock for several days. Please do not watch if you are weak-hearted.

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/images/islam%20will%20dominate.gifStoning to death is a cruel insane Islamic punishment given to people who are married but still voluntarily have sex outside marraige. This punishment was ordered by the "merciful" Prophet, who ofcourse was the messenger of the "merciful" Allah. Many hadith, including Sahih Bukhari give proof that Stoning was ordered and practiced by Muhammed, for example:
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 413:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar :
The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque."
Click here for more hadith which verify that Mohammed ordered stoning (http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/stoning.htm)


What happens in Stoning?
In stoning to death, the victims's hands are tied behind their backs and their bodies are put in a cloth sack. Then, this human "package" is buried in a hole, with only the victims heads showing above the ground. If its a woman, she is buried upto her shoulders. This is to give her an seemingly equal (but nonetheless impossible) chance to escape recognizing her lesser physical strength.
After the hapless individual has been secured in the hole, people start chanting "Allah hu Akbar" (meaning, God is great), and throw palm sized stones at the head of the victim from a certain distance (a circle is drawn).
The stones are thrown until the person dies or until he/she escapes out of the hole and crosses the circle. Escaping is impossible, given that the individual's hands are tied behind their backs and they are buried in a hole upto their necks or shoulders (in the case of males and females respectively).
Naturally, the procedure is extremely barbaric and bloody.
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/images/arrow.gif Warning! This is an extremely sick and disgusting punishment, and thus watching this video can make you weak or possibly give you nausea and shock for several days. Please do not watch if you are weak-hearted.



http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm

[cafetimes1991]

I know, words can't describe. I started a petition against it earlier this year, didn't get much signatures (people seem to uncaring and/or paranoid a lot of the time), but sent it to the Iranian Minister of Justice.

[miracles]

[quote=eternal_spirit;1037069]Introduction

Im not watching the video bro, just want to know does it show an actual stoning taking place?? Even the thought of it is horrific. Thanks for the warning.

[dedicate]

Here in America when they put a person in Prison they strip him naked and force him to walk through the Halls carrying his cloths while every other prisoner watches. Then they put him in a cell where he is raped and brutalized by another criminal. Some could say, This is the Christian Way of deal with the criminal, since most people in America will say they are Christian. I'm not sure the Islamist Nations' way is much worse.

[eternal_spirit]

[quote]

Im not watching the video bro, just want to know does it show an actual stoning taking place?? Even the thought of it is horrific. Thanks for the warning.Yes it shows it but it's small screen (the windows media version) there maybe other links. There maybe better clearer videos out there, if anyone want's to go find?

[eternal_spirit]

I'm not sure the Islamist Nations' way is much worse.
You don't get sent to prison for adultry in America.
Some Islamic countries = Death for adultry. The community joins in it's law Government/religious.

[dedicate]

No. You get sent to prison for smoking pot or selling it -- the crime that is not a crime. Then you can go to jail for life after stealing a car. 5 years in prison for having a Fire-Arm?-- in a nation with a second Amendment? We don't let felons leave the country -- what's that about? I thought once a person serves their time they are free? Or,, maybe you are Wilhelm Reich who died in Prison and for what? The Hurricane? Jesus would be arrested in America today for practicing medicine without a license! And don't you dare resist arrest now adays, because you will be facing 6 years in Jail, if the officer doesn't pull out his weapon a blow you away first. Because it is the crimes against the STATE that are punished most severly... write a bad check for 5,000 dollars and you will go to jail, but steal 5,000 dollars from a citizen and you will get probation. Governments all over the world are about hypocracy and injustice, otherwise they would not be in business.

P.S. I note you did not say which country this event occured in.

[eternal_spirit]

I know, words can't describe. I started a petition against it earlier this year, didn't get much signatures (people seem to uncaring and/or paranoid a lot of the time), but sent it to the Iranian Minister of Justice.
Others have tried too.

What is stoning and how it is carried out

"According to the Islamic teaching, the punishment for adultery is death by ... Mohammed himself had ordered stoning of many people in his own time. ... Sexual intercourse of a non-Muslim man with a Muslim woman (the case of Holmot ... Thousands of protest letters were send to Iranian embassies in western countries . ..."
www.neue-einheit.com/mixed/iran/Stoning%20is%20an%20Islamic%20law.rtf (http://www.neue-einheit.com/mixed/iran/Stoning%20is%20an%20Islamic%20law.rtf)

[tracker]

Introduction

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/images/arrow.gif Warning! This is an extremely sick and disgusting punishment, and thus watching this video can make you weak or possibly give you nausea and shock for several days. Please do not watch if you are weak-hearted.

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/images/islam%20will%20dominate.gifStoning to death is a cruel insane Islamic punishment given to people who are married but still voluntarily have sex outside marraige. This punishment was ordered by the "merciful" Prophet, who ofcourse was the messenger of the "merciful" Allah. Many hadith, including Sahih Bukhari give proof that Stoning was ordered and practiced by Muhammed, for example:
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 413:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar :
The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque."
Click here for more hadith which verify that Mohammed ordered stoning (http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/stoning.htm)


What happens in Stoning?
In stoning to death, the victims's hands are tied behind their backs and their bodies are put in a cloth sack. Then, this human "package" is buried in a hole, with only the victims heads showing above the ground. If its a woman, she is buried upto her shoulders. This is to give her an seemingly equal (but nonetheless impossible) chance to escape recognizing her lesser physical strength.
After the hapless individual has been secured in the hole, people start chanting "Allah hu Akbar" (meaning, God is great), and throw palm sized stones at the head of the victim from a certain distance (a circle is drawn).
The stones are thrown until the person dies or until he/she escapes out of the hole and crosses the circle. Escaping is impossible, given that the individual's hands are tied behind their backs and they are buried in a hole upto their necks or shoulders (in the case of males and females respectively).
Naturally, the procedure is extremely barbaric and bloody.
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/images/arrow.gif Warning! This is an extremely sick and disgusting punishment, and thus watching this video can make you weak or possibly give you nausea and shock for several days. Please do not watch if you are weak-hearted.



http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm

yep one of the most barbraic things to do is usually done by the most barbaric of beleifs no matter what they are .

Yep , these people surely love ruling others peoples minds and actions .

and always some maniac with mental health issues killing some one because the other person doesnt want their beleif ( IE the other persons mind )

:cool:

[deadskinball]

Here in America when they put a person in Prison they strip him naked and force him to walk through the Halls carrying his cloths while every other prisoner watches. Then they put him in a cell where he is raped and brutalized by another criminal. Some could say, This is the Christian Way of deal with the criminal, since most people in America will say they are Christian. I'm not sure the Islamist Nations' way is much worse.

It would guess that its the same everywhere.

Free butt secks if you get caught.

...so don't get caught!

[deadskinball]

Hello adbasque????


um... hello?


Remember this?

Treating fellow humans (woman) as nothing more than a cow pat does not sit well with me.

...or with alot of people.


So,...

are you still going to defend your religion's methods?

[adbasque]

Hello adbasque????


um... hello?


Remember this?




So,...

are you still going to defend your religion's methods?

you sent me a private message to show me this nonsense?
I know what's going on here in this section, they might aswell call it Islam not religion.

I am not defending anything, you keep ranting, wow you've got a proof have you?
The day you show me an Islamic country that day you can call me and have a debate.
The day you'll understand about stoning and the one thousand conditions that need to be met before even thinking on stoning a person.

You pick videos of sick people who have other sick people in power, have them do that in a so called "Muslim" country, which we all know there's no such think as an Islamic country today they simply don't exist.

Maybe that day you can send me a sick private message to come and talk with you people, that's your job, all you do is poison people's minds with your pathetic lies. you and some others.

Carry on without me.

Regards
happy ranting (enjoy yourselves)

[metacomet]

You don't get sent to prison for adultry in America.
Some Islamic countries = Death for adultry. The community joins in it's law Government/religious.

It's not just islamic countries, eternal.

I understand that it is your self-prescribed duty to carry a warbanner against Islam but I wonder if you understand that men all over the world subjugate and punish their wives / female counterparts regardless of religion?

It's about attempting to express masculine dominance in a situation where the male is most likely not masculine or dominant enough by natural means. In other words, I have a tiny one and can't make a woman happy so I will brutalize them etc.

It happens everywhere and not just in Islam. Do you believe Islam is used as an excuse to fulfill this behavior?

Just like Christianity has been used as an excuse to empower the weaker man over his brothers and his women?

That's what I think.

[eternal_spirit]

I understand that it is your self-prescribed duty to carry a warbanner against Islam




I'm warning people that Islam is at war with none Muslims. It started about 1400 years ago in a little piece of land in the Middle East.

Look how far it spread like a virus and was not a peacful process quite the opposite infact.

http://www.bengalgenocide.com/images/mapmuslim.jpg

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1037586&postcount=14

Death for adultry, not to mention other stories including beheading hanging. (how about divorce or some peacful humane agreement)

Male domination? yes, women have far less rights under Islamic aka Shariah laws. And a man can have many wifes, but a woman is only allowed one husband.

[adbasque]

It's not just islamic countries, eternal.

I understand that it is your self-prescribed duty to carry a warbanner against Islam but I wonder if you understand that men all over the world subjugate and punish their wives / female counterparts regardless of religion?

It's about attempting to express masculine dominance in a situation where the male is most likely not masculine or dominant enough by natural means. In other words, I have a tiny one and can't make a woman happy so I will brutalize them etc.

It happens everywhere and not just in Islam. Do you believe Islam is used as an excuse to fulfill this behavior?

Just like Christianity has been used as an excuse to empower the weaker man over his brothers and his women?

That's what I think.

See he is warning people about Islam is spreading like a virus, but of course Christianity didn't come from an even smaller country in the middle east so did Judaism, Budhism, and other religions.

Now he moved on from the circumcision thing he is on Stoning, I wonder what would be next :rolleyes:

I don't blame him it's his job, he has to earn his living :)

he is not interested in other threads, and I am sure he does that on every forum that exist on the web, it's a 24hr job after all :D

I asked them to show me one Muslim country on this planet, but they ignore the question, everytime, why because they know it's true.
There aren't any independant free Muslim countries, so he is more than happy to spread lies and with some of his mates here.

He is not interested in logic, truth, debate, he is been doing it here for at least 2 years now.

I wouldn't waste my breath on him or his friends.

That's why Muslims are nearly 2 billion, they kill people for fun

[pinnochio]

"Brothers and sisters friends and neighbors, vibrations in the mind of the one true god whos name is love"

Bill Hicks

[eternal_spirit]

[quote]I don't blame him it's his job, he has to earn his living :) I really need to decide should I work for the Jews or the Arabs? Who pays most...:D

he is not interested in other threads, and I am sure he does that on every forum that exist on the web, it's a 24hr job after all :D:rolleyes:
Man I posted my first ever threads about Islam on 04-11-2008, 08:50 PM and 05-11-2008, 08:27 PM.:D

I used to stand up for and defend Islam:( (when I knew very little about their religion) Now I know more I no longer stand up for Islam. :mad:



He is not interested in logic, truth, debate, he is been doing it here for at least 2 years now.I am, it's you who constantly ignores truths about your religion.

I wouldn't waste my breath on him or his friends.
LOL You've been huffing and puffing and blowing out hot air on the other Islamic threads. what's up ran out of breath? Stalker! .
That's why Muslims are nearly 2 billion, they kill people for fun1 billion or 1 and half. :confused:
It's called polygamy and convert or die, they're the real reasons there's so many.

[mephibosheth]

Death for adultry, not to mention other stories including beheading hanging. (how about divorce or some peacful humane agreement)


It's the same punishment as in the Hebrew tradition of the Old Testament. Adultery=death by stoning. And, while those verses in the Qur'an suggesting this should continue to be the Muslim practice were 'abrogated', the practice itself was never meant to be eliminated.

We may as way curse all these old traditions that take such violent measures to ensure strict breeding conformity. It's not just Islam. But to be fair, Islam, in its history and texts, allows this to happen. It doesn't stand apart and state, clearly and unambiguously, that 'thou shalt not stone to death those who commit adultery'.

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[mephibosheth]

It's called polygamy and convert or die, they're the real reasons there's so many.

An important point too. Islam has an inflated sense of its numbers in the world because of socio-economic and educational conditions in nations with Muslim majorities (relative to other more prosperous and educated nations without Muslim majorities). Birth rates decline with greater education, and the age of starting families increases. With less education and more poverty birth rates increase. Apparently people who are poor or stupid or both can't help but reproduce themselves. (In general, not Islam specifically.)

But as I pointed out in another thread, if you have the misfortune of being born into an Islamic family, it can be very, very difficult to leave, especially since it is considered the same as apostasy, with death as the recommended punishment. Quite a bit of social pressure there, eh.

But then, it's difficult to leave any religion one is 'born into' depending on how deeply its practices have been immeshed into your life from the start, and how strong your community has ties to the religion. It can be a titanic effort to remove one'self from a religion/religious community--not the least because it amounts to dying and being reborn, leaving your previous life and loved ones behind and moving forward into the unknown. LOL, sounds like something Christians should do modelling Jesus--first, quit 'Christianity'.

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[eternal_spirit]

[quote]It's the same punishment as in the Hebrew tradition of the Old Testament. Adultery=death by stoning. True, have read one aim of Islam was to get some Jews and Christians back on path to the original teachings (Yahweh is Allah according to some articles.

The Koran has similarities to the Talmud, which also has descriptions and instructions for killing.

Same region, same mix of peoples.


Because of his Christo-Gnostic-Judaic-quasi-Abrahamic influences, Muhammad naturally expected Christians and Jews, and more especially, those of the Arab-Jewish tribes, to see the light and convert to his new revelation. Surely, thought Muhammad, they will follow me and recognize Allah, but of course, they did not. Then as now, Jews of any kind are most averse to conversion

When these conversion efforts miserably failed, jihad became the chosen strategy. As well as ridding the newly conquered Islamic lands of the idolater-Christians, Muhammad later annihilated the Jewish-Arab tribes of North Africa in one of the first bloody Islamic Jihads. This is a characteristic of Islam.

The Ones In Submission to Allah (Muslims) must tolerate the infidels only for so long. Infidels must be given a chance to convert, but if they refuse, then conversion by conquest through holy war (jihad) is seen as not only legitimate, but demanded by the Koran.

Even so, this should be judged in context. As exemplified amply in the Old Testament, and foreshadowing the Christian Crusaders yet to come, early Islam follows an ancient [Abrahamic and later Mosaic] tradition of holy war and murder in the name of a god. Sir Richard Burton said, "And did Moses disdain to place carnal weapons in the hands of his people? The great Lawgiver of Israel sanctioned the murder in cold blood of women and child captives. Even kings were hewed in pieces before the Lord." (The Jew, The Gypsy And El Islam, 1898.)

This is a fascinating line of inquiry to follow as it leads to the conclusion that what we today know as jihad has both Mosaic and Talmudic-Jewish roots. One of many famous stories about Muhammad concerns an attempted poisoning by a Jewess. After this, not to mention the consistently unrelenting and often bitter rejections by the Jews, he finally gave up on converting them. Muslims were then told to face Mecca for prayer, where previously, they faced Jerusalem.

OTHER RITUAL SIMILARITIES

To some degree, both early Islam and early Christianity may be seen as efforts to reform, purify and unify Judaic and pre-Judaic Hebrew-Israelitish beliefs. But while the church gave up most Mosaic and later Talmudic/Pharisaic law codes, circumcision, ritual foods, and the like, Islam did not. As a matter of fact, ritual food preparations are almost identical. Muslim Halal food may be substituted when a Talmudic Kosher meal is not available, and vice versa. Both the Orthodox Jew and the devoutly observant Muslim prefer the unshaved beard, though the Islamists omit the Hasidic forelocks. Most mosques, like Orthodox synagogues, separate male and female worshippers. Women are not really regarded very highly in either faith. The Jewish Sabbath begins on Friday evening. Islam has no real Sabbath but Friday, often in the evening, became the day when a Mullah or Imam preaches a sermon and reads from the Koran. Islam, like Judaism, has no liturgical music or dance (except in Sufi mystical sects). A mosque (masjid in Arabic) and a synagogue have no statues or images. They are plain and unadorned so that worshippers are not distracted. If there is any central element other than the pulpit, it is a copy of the respective scriptures.

The scriptures of Islam and Judaism have a similar place in both religions. We have the Koran, which has ample texts refuting or abrogating ("abridging" say the Muslims) others, and the Talmud, which is notorious for splitting legalistic hairs. Since the Koranic chapters are arranged by length, there is no way to tell which text might have come first. And then we have the Hadith ("Traditions"), which function something like the Talmud, as a guide or secondary scriptures, to interpret, perhaps to get around, avoid and evade, what is found in the Koran. Looking at clergy of all religions, a Mullah is more akin to the rabbinical model, as he is, above all, a judge, an interpreter of the Sharia of Allah just as the Rabbi interprets the Torah and Talmud. Sharia Law operates like Rabbinical Talmudic Law. One submits disputes to a court of Mullahs (the word means judge) and Koranic scholars who decide the case. This is essentially the same as a Judaic beit din court in which Rabbis and scholars determine the results. Both Judaism and Islam might be best described as legal systems as much as religions.

MORE LIKENESSES

In another interesting parallel, one most often changes his or her name after converting to either Islam or Orthodox Talmudism. Practically every convert to Islam changes their name, and some Jews do the same. Proper immigrants to Israel have the right to adopt a Jewish name when moving there. There are other similarities as well, but lately on TV, some of them are uncannily mirrored in rituals and educational practices. Koranic study, like Talmudic study, is intense. If he (like Jews, women are not encouraged to study scripture) learns to recite the Koran from memory, a Muslim then bears the honorific, Hafiz. Watch the young Islamic boys at Madrassah schools in their skullcaps swaying back and forth reciting the Koran just as Jewish boys in yarmulkes recite Judaic scriptures at the Yeshiva. The Jewish swaying and nodding is often seen at the "Wailing Wall" in Jerusalem. Burial practices are similar as well. The actual rites are simple -- what we see on TV at Muslim martyr-funerals are the public parts, heavily politicized, especially the parade with the ubiquitous martyr photo (posing for this is a big deal accompanied by a celebration) plastered on big posters carried by the mourning crowd, always accompanied by a cacophony of ululating Muslim women. Muslims, as do the Orthodox Talmudist Jews, inter the body very quickly after the death.

In another likeness, both Jews and Muslims are quite exclusive, essentially regarding those who do not practice their true religion as heathens at best and cattle/goyim sub-humans at worst. One who has submitted to the purity of Islam does not make friends or confidants of such types. Strongly echoing the Talmud, the Koran says: "O ye who believe! Take not Jews and Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily, Allah guideth not a people unjust." (Sura 5:51)

http://www.rense.com/general81/hidst.htm

[h2pogo]

the problem with adultry it provokes voilence.

[leviathanstaar]

It's just murder, justified through a religious and judicial system just like anything/anywhere else.

Other religieons may commit different extra judicial murders of different types, but it's the same thing fundementally.

The warping of words or beleifs to embrace that which it is warning against.

You can bet there is no 'reward' from 'Allah' for participating in stoneing.
Fools.

[element]

See he is warning people about Islam is spreading like a virus, but of course Christianity didn't come from an even smaller country in the middle east so did Judaism, Budhism, and other religions.
But there are vast differences between the religions. Can you give examples where Buddhists say to people that they have to convert or else they die? Or stone people to death?
Islam, whether we like it or not, is one of the most (if not most) violent religion we have today. Like Christianity in the past. You say the Islamic countries are not really ''Islamic'', but those people who live there are Muslim 24/7, they eat it, drink it, breathe it, talk it. It's almost the only thing they do. Who are Muslims in western Europe to say that those are not real Muslims? The Muslims in the western world are fortunate to be tolerated, and live within the safety of humanistic law and material wealth.

If there is violence in scripture and old fashioned laws, then there are problems with that in these times. Would you admit, that the 'holy' scripture has errors and bad parts, or would you all see it as a perfect book inspired by God? If it's the former, then shouldn't we drop things and start new books? If it's the latter, then violence is supported by an all-loving God?

That's why Muslims are nearly 2 billion,
Most Islamic countries are heavily populated..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population

[adbasque]

But there are vast differences between the religions. Can you give examples where Buddhists say to people that they have to convert or else they die?

If you read properly what I have said you'd know what I was referring to

Please do me a favour and read it again if you don't mind

It has nothing to do with the religion it has to do where it originated from that's all

OK ISLAM is the most evil religion and we the MUSLIMS are the most evil ever walked on this planet, I hope some people are very happy now.

Just be careful when you're walking on the street if you see a muslim get your gun or you knife out, don't turn your back to a Muslim you will get killed you know why?

Because we love killing people and cause pain and suffering, avoid every Muslim, like the black death, you might also get kidnapped and taken somewhere in the middle of a field and they'll stone you to death. :)


but of course Christianity didn't come from an even smaller country in the middle east so did Judaism, Budhism, and other religions.

This is what I said

[element]

If you read properly what I have said you'd know what I was referring to

Please do me a favour and read it again if you don't mind

It has nothing to do with the religion it has to do where it originated from that's all

OK ISLAM is the most evil religion and we the MUSLIMS are the most evil ever walked on this planet, I hope some people are very happy now.

Just be careful when you're walking on the street if you see a muslim get your gun or you knife out, don't turn your back to a Muslim you will get killed you know why?

Because we love killing people and cause pain and suffering, avoid every Muslim, like the black death, you might also get kidnapped and taken somewhere in the middle of a field and they'll stone you to death. :)



This is what I said

Sorry about the misunderstanding, it's a bit late. My point remains untouched though.

I don't care about individuals being Muslim. But there is no denying that religions like Christianity and Islam have been huge tools in war and violence. Shouldn't we drop these nonsense parts of the books? I don't think it can or should go on like this.

Stoned to death for adultery, now how sick is that? However, the books justify it.
So should we change the books, or is it all justifiable and the perfect word of God?

[adbasque]

Sorry about the misunderstanding, it's a bit late. My point remains untouched though.

I don't care about individuals being Muslim. But there is no denying that religions like Christianity and Islam have been huge tools in war and violence. Shouldn't we drop these nonsense parts of the books? I don't think it can or should go on like this.

Stoned to death for adultery, now how sick is that? However, the books justify it.
So should we change the books, or is it all justifiable and the perfect word of God?

Each one of us knows what he is doing, I am not even talking about religion anymore, I am bored with the same subject, the same ranting, over and over again.

I am really bored with it, I am not normally answering anyone in this section.
And if you believe what you were told or what you read somewhere, than that's fine you're free to believe what you want, am I harassing anyone on what they believe or don't believe?

This is what you believe, what I believe is totally different, people see what they want to see, and quite frankly your views, anyone elses views everyone has his/her views.

So why don't we just keep our views to ourselves? it's much better this way
I am bored in reading the same things time and time again.

Now I leave the ones who enjoy this kind of threads to have fun

religions like Christianity and Islam have been huge tools in war and violence.

I am sorry to hear that, and once all religions are out there wouldn't be any wars, is that right?
Maybe it's true because by then we all going to be slaves, under one world, maybe most people really want the NWO more than they really believe.

Either way I don't want to continue this discussion, I don't want to talk about religions, that's personal.

Good luck with the thread

[metacomet]

I used to stand up for and defend Islam:(

So?

(when I knew very little about their religion) Now I know more I no longer stand up for Islam. :mad:

Oh ok. So you heard that there a crazy Muslims out there, found the examples of archaic scripture with outdated social codes etc. (me and you have already had this conversation in another thread.) and you decided 'Fuck Islam'.

There's a difference between thinking "I don't need to agree with everything about this religion" and "fuck this religion and everyone who follows it."

I am, it's you who constantly ignores truths about your religion.

I'm not sure you understand what 'truth' is in any religion. It has absolutely nothing to do with war, social codes, extremists, none of that. The only truth in any religion is that spirit is immaterial and salvation from the physical world is through spirit. Islam, Buddhism and Christianity have offered these truths.

You don't understand or have the slightest bit of tolerance for religion because you don't understand the essential truths within. This is the same reason people from different religions tend to hate one another. They themselves don't understand their own religion.


LOL You've been huffing and puffing and blowing out hot air on the other Islamic threads. what's up ran out of breath? Stalker! .

Are you serious?

You are the anti-muslim guy on the board. You should expect muslims to 'stalk' you. And I'm surprised you didn't just evaporate under the weight of the irony you just spawned claiming that other people were huffing and puffing and blowing hot air on Islamic threads.


It's called polygamy and convert or die, they're the real reasons there's so many.

You're right. Let's wipe'em out because they were raised in great numbers. Might as well wipe the chinese out as well. Look how many there are of them!

... yikes.

[eternal_spirit]

Well Mr Comet no point replying to that lot of hot air, your tails on fire. It was my reply to adbasque the guy who makes up lies about me on every thread, that's what happens on here when you post about touchy topics and win a debate with proof and facts, all they have left is slander and lies.

So, if you wanna deny the reality, your choice.

Nice to know I'm labeled the bad guy for exposing the evils of Islam. This place never ceases to amaze. This is not some conspiracy, facts are posted and look what happens.
Take another peek at the map I posted earlier
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1038066&postcount=14

Look at all those green areas (Islam)

[adbasque]

Well Mr Comet no point replying to that lot of hot air, your tails on fire. It was my reply to adbasque the guy who makes up lies about me on every thread, that's what happens on here when you post about touchy topics and win a debate with proof and facts, all they have left is slander and lies.

So, if you wanna deny the reality, your choice.

Nice to know I'm labeled the bad guy for exposing the evils of Islam. This place never ceases to amaze. This is not some conspiracy, facts are posted and look what happens.
Take another peek at the map I posted earlier
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1038066&postcount=14

Look at all those green areas (Islam)

That Adbasque, goes all over the forum, whenever there's an interesting post he'll post his opinion no more no less, I haven't noticed you until recently, me stalking you, you really are not right in your head and to be honest it doesn't take an expert to realise that.

Please show which threads I stalked you on, like this one?
I received a private message from your friend "deadskinball"

asked me to come here and comment on this thread, If I were stalking you, I could find it all by myself, I don't need anyone to tell me where the thread is.

But because you're a paranoid person, you think the whole world is out to get you especially if they are Muslims, ohhhh.

Well guess what? this Muslim is probably tired of your ranting.
Me telling lies about you? where? show me and people here.

Which means your turning everything into a personal vendetta and this where I get off.
Let me also refresh your memory for a while.

I was talking on another thread about the BNP, I was having a conversation with some BNP supporter who happens to have the same views about Islam just like you, and they have views like that about anybody for that matter.

You came in with F*** Allah, F*** your this and that.
here is the link to remind you what you attacked me with

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66807&page=3

here what you said


You blame all the world's problem's on white folk. Fuck your Alah aka Yawheh we don't want your retarded fucked up Abrahamic Judaism/Christianity/Islam.
We know what you want an Islamic world shariah law and genital mutilatiion all round for boys and girls. Sick fucks!

So people can read and see who's lying here, who's full of hatred
I gave the link above so they can see once and for all who's stalking the other if there's any stalking :)

The thread states very clearly "The Assault of BNP" it has nothing to do with religion at all, but because the guy I was having a discussion with, had no

argument to back his claims, he accused me first of being a Foreigner from the Basque countries, when he realised I wasn't he accused me of being from the middle east, because he wanted to shup me up, if I am not British I don't have a say in the BNP.

When he finally realised I was perhaps more British than himself, he then picked On Islam I kept saying to him this is not a thread about religion it's a about politic, then you arrived with the above comment :)

Does that ring the bell?

Good bye

[metacomet]

You came in with F*** Allah, F*** your this and that.
here is the link to remind you what you attacked me with

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66807&page=3

here what you said



So people can read and see who's lying here, who's full of hatred



Sorry spirit, you've just been put in your place real proper.

[metacomet]

Well Mr Comet no point replying to that lot of hot air, your tails on fire.

Really? Alright. That was convenient for you I guess, now that you don't have to respond to my points.

It was my reply to adbasque the guy who makes up lies about me on every thread

What lies?

That you're a militant anti-Muslim zealot? He has demonstrated that you and others have provoked him. He's even given proof of hate-speech on your behalf. I see no lying. That is militant and zealous behavior.

That's really too close to the truth for your comfort and I totally understand why you would call it 'lies'. Just like you would tell me my tail is on fire etc. instead of holding your ground.

that's what happens on here when you post about touchy topics and win a debate with proof and facts, all they have left is slander and lies.

Whatever you say. I think the definition of slanders, lies, and truth are completely perverted and used by people like yourself as tools to bully a topic around until it is too exhausted to stand on it's own two feet. This allows you to wait until everyone is sick of hearing you and leaves the thread, and then puff your chest in the air and claim you just 'won'.

This is a pattern you have demonstrated countless times so far, eternal.


Nice to know I'm labeled the bad guy for exposing the evils of Islam.

It doesn't make you a bad guy. It's just all you seem to do on this forum. And if you wouldn't have pussed out on my first point, you would realize that what I told you is that all men subjugate women to make up for lack of power, not just Muslims. But you aren't looking to consider points like that, because they promote objectivity. You have an agenda.

[dedicate]

Why would Islam want to take of over the world? They can try but they will fail. That map is pretty scarey; looks like one of those WWII Europe Maps but here Islam is the ever expanding empire. How did Islam become dominent in India? Then, I look at an African Map and don't know if I want to live anywhere on it, -- Note Angola is not Muslim. Interesting stuff.. the inhumanity and all.

[eternal_spirit]

Sorry spirit, you've just been put in your place real proper.

I don't know what your beef is, but I had none with you.
Adbasque the guy who makes up lies about me on every thread plus name calling in probably every reply (what do you want links to prove he's lying about me and labeling me?)

[metacomet]

I don't know what your beef is, but I had none with you.

This isn't about 'beef'. Just saying that shows that you want to make this a personal issue. You've said other things that imply your lack of objectivity with this subject.


Adbasque the guy who makes up lies about me on every thread plus name calling in probably every reply

That is bullshit. Please stop acting like a child.

[eternal_spirit]

[quote]That Adbasque, goes all over the forum, whenever there's an interesting post he'll post his opinion no more no less, I haven't noticed you until recently, me stalking you, you really are not right in your head and to be honest it doesn't take an expert to realise that.
You show up on any thread about Islam and start with the name calling. More insults.
Please show which threads I stalked you on, like this one?I'll go find some links shall I?
I received a private message from your friend "deadskinball"

asked me to come here and comment on this thread, If I were stalking you, I could find it all by myself, I don't need anyone to tell me where the thread is.
So, that's between you and him. Me and skin know the truth about your sick religion and have beaten you in debates, maybe that's why you took so long to avoid the topics and pile into me with more name calling. All you have left is troll tactics and name calling.
But because you're a paranoid person, you think the whole world is out to get you especially if they are Muslims, ohhhh.More name calling :rolleyes:

Well guess what? this Muslim is probably tired of your ranting.
Me telling lies about you? where? show me and people here.
I will.
Which means your turning everything into a personal vendetta and this where I get off.
Let me also refresh your memory for a while.LOL you gotta be joking, my Islamic stalker :D

I was talking on another thread about the BNP, I was having a conversation with some BNP supporter who happens to have the same views about Islam just like you, and they have views like that about anybody for that matter.

You came in with F*** Allah, F*** your this and that.
here is the link to remind you what you attacked me with

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66807&page=3

here what you said



So people can read and see who's lying here, who's full of hatred
I gave the link above so they can see once and for all who's stalking the other if there's any stalking :)

The thread states very clearly "The Assault of BNP" it has nothing to do with religion at all, but because the guy I was having a discussion with, had no

argument to back his claims, he accused me first of being a Foreigner from the Basque countries, when he realised I wasn't he accused me of being from the middle east, because he wanted to shup me up, if I am not British I don't have a say in the BNP.

When he finally realised I was perhaps more British than himself, he then picked On Islam I kept saying to him this is not a thread about religion it's a about politic, then you arrived with the above comment :)

Does that ring the bell?

Good byeI meant what I said about your religion and you know I've said similar before. See, I have no fear to tell you the truth and have no shame for saying how I feel about religious mutilation (even though you linked and pasted from the rant room) and should really be deleted by the mods.

Should I go dig out some of your lies about me? May take me a few hours there's that many.
Good bye LOL you've been saying you're not talking to me for the past 4 or 5 days yet keep replying.

:D

[eternal_spirit]

This isn't about 'beef'. Just saying that shows that you want to make this a personal issue. You've said other things that imply your lack of objectivity with this subject.



That is bullshit. Please stop acting like a child.

Trolling and baiting I see.

[metacomet]

More insults.

I think he was being honest when he said you have something not right in your head concerning Islam. It wasn't an insult.


I'll go find some links shall I?

Please don't. This is the childish bullshit I just mentioned. We don't want to see cherry-picked (and predictably lame) one liners that you want to use as proof of assault or something. Adabasque has done nothing to provoke you... he certainly hasn't accused you of 'slandering' and 'lying' as much as you have him!!!


So, that's between you and him. Me and skin know the truth about your sick religion and have beaten you in debates,

It's between him and skin until you admit you and skin have 'beaten' him in a debate. That is group mentality and it breeds intolerance. So does trying to 'win' in threads like this.

maybe that's why you took so long to avoid the topics

Honestly, you told me my tail was on fire instead of looking at what I said. Who is avoiding the topics?

and pile into me with more name calling.

Just because you say something a thousand times doesn't mean it's happened :confused:.
All you have left is troll tactics and name calling.

Replying to your anti-muslim thread in defense of his religion is not trolling?

And he hasn't called you any names. This is psychotic behavior on your part.


Good bye LOL you've been saying you're not talking to me for the past 4 or 5 days yet keep replying.

:D

That's called provocation. I.E.Trolling. Grow the fuck up, eternal.

[eternal_spirit]

[QUOTE]I think he was being honest when he said you have something not right in your head concerning Islam. It wasn't an insult.

There's plenty bad about Islam and very little good of what I've seen so far. If you knew this then maybe you wouldn't be defending Islam.




Please don't. This is the childish bullshit I just mentioned. We don't want to see cherry-picked (and predictably lame) one liners that you want to use as proof of assault or something.
adbasque has and that made up your mind to have another go at me.
Adabasque has done nothing to provoke you...
How many convos have you read between me an him, if you had then you'd see that's exactly what he does call names and provoke troll style. he certainly hasn't accused you of 'slandering' and 'lying' as much as you have him!!!


Look he started with the name calling (always the same on here) and now you're another one starting.

It's between him and skin until you admit you and skin have 'beaten' him in a debate. That is group mentality and it breeds intolerance. So does trying to 'win' in threads like this.

Yeah yeah I'm not in the mood for another 5 pages of adbasques lies.



Honestly, you told me my tail was on fire instead of looking at what I said. Who is avoiding the topics?
English humor comet's have tails right.



Just because you say something a thousand times doesn't mean it's happened :confused:.
You calling me delusional or a liar?


Replying to your anti-muslim thread in defense of his religion is not trolling?
Is when he's calling names and slandering me, with the same crap over and over.
And he hasn't called you any names. This is psychotic behavior on your part.
you really are a dick.





That's called provocation. I.E.Trolling. Grow the fuck up, eternal.


Like I said adbasque started it on other threads and now you're joining in, any wonder you two provoke a reaction from me.

[adbasque]

I don't know what your beef is, but I had none with you.
Adbasque the guy who makes up lies about me on every thread plus name calling in probably every reply (what do you want links to prove he's lying about me and labeling me?)

I didn't talk to you mate, until you mentioned "Adbasque" so adbasque replied to you, true I am probably wasting my time with you.

to be perfectly honest I don't really care what you think of Islam or me, by the way if I am a bad person it's because it's me, nothing to do with Islam.

People can be nice or bad regardless of whether they believe in anything or nothing.

However for what it's worth, despite everything, I honestly don't feel any hatred towards you or anyone here, the end of the day it's only talks.

You don't shape my life and I don't shape yours, if I have one piece of advice for you, is try and look at things objectively, it's very pretencious of anyone to use the word "I know" or I have knowledge.

Some people dedicated their entire lives for something and they could barely scrape the surface, so don't say I know.

I have a very little knowledge and I am learning everyday.
For anyone to claim having understood Islam/Christianity or any other religion, is either Insane full of himself, real naive, totally ignorant or a big liar

Let me give you an example,

Scholars/Scientists have spent their entire lives trying to understand one tiny piece of life, from the scientific point of view and from the spiritual point of view, it's not given to everyone to understand those scriptures.

I tell you why

For instance Arabic language is perhaps one of the richest languages in the world.
If an Arab scientist or anyone who masters the language find it hard to understand some of the scriptures, what chance have you got or I have got?

The Quoran and the Bible the Thora are not written by some journalist, let's stick with Islam and the Quoran for the time being.

Do you honestly think anyone can open the Quoran and read through it and say hey guys I understand the Quoran?
Do you think it's some kind of a guide that any tour guide can simply glance at it and understand it?

I have asked you on numerous occasions to provide me with solid evidence of any Muslim country, did you find that country yet?

I know you haven't and you won't find it, because it doesn't exist.

When are you going to accept that there aren't Muslim countries, The Saudis are raping the land of Arabia, who put them there as Rulers?
so what makes you think they will rule according to the real sharia?
and they are not Muslims, ask any Muslim anywhere you will get the same answer, they are members of the Elite.

and the same goes for every single country on this planet.

I hope you will start seeing things objectively, believe me hatred and violence will lead you nowhere, and I am not naive, I know a great deal more about Islam than you do.
This is not a show off, no way, I am simply stating a fact, I spent half of my life amongst Muslims and learnt a lot of things and information that most people won't have access, except on the web.

The web is not the most reliable source of information.
So for any debate make sure you fully understand the impact of your actions and that you have your facts at hand.

Hating others is not going to make you any better.

Two wrongs won't make a right

Peace

[eternal_spirit]

One example of many - Everything he says about me here are lies or name calling this is what he's like all the time and he repeats the same lies over and over. I've tried to debate and ignore the nonsense. I've posted Islamic texts/sources (but no not good enough it's all lies yet he never offers any proof, just it's all lies lies lies)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=827365&postcount=85
quote adbasque
this individual is either sick, Zionist, or an absolute ignorant.

as I said before this guy is here to try and divert people's focus from the real issues to ISLAM and forget the NWO, the bankers (his masters) that is his mission.

He is completely detached from the reality, it's like a mad bull seeing red and charging with his head down.

One last thing, yes many more mosques will be built so start feeling sick from now, and there's nothing you can do to stop them.

Because they build them with their money, but the problem is where ever you turn you see at least one,
Are you from the BNP? I am sure you are a member, and if you're not my advice is join them.

I am sure you already are.
............................

[adbasque]

There's plenty bad about Islam and very little good of what I've seen so far. If you knew this then maybe you wouldn't be defending Islam.


What you've seen so far, that doesn't make it everything, so if we were in a court of law that's a doubt and on a doubt we can't convict anyone, it has to be beyond the shadow of a doubt :)

Your own words mate, which means deep down inside you, you are not convinced of what you're saying :)

metacomet

We are not against you in anyway, he is simply looking at things objectively, he is not taking sides, you can read his comments to see that he is looking at the whole thing very objectively

So let it go nobody is always right.

[adbasque]

This post somehow got duplicated if any Moderator could delete it please
Thank you

[adbasque]

One example of many - Everything he says about me here are lies or name calling this is what he's like all the time and he repeats the same lies over and over. I've tried to debate and ignore the nonsense. I've posted Islamic texts/sources (but no not good enough it's all lies yet he never offers any proof, just it's all lies lies lies)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=827365&postcount=85
quote adbasque
this individual is either sick, Zionist, or an absolute ignorant.

as I said before this guy is here to try and divert people's focus from the real issues to ISLAM and forget the NWO, the bankers (his masters) that is his mission.

He is completely detached from the reality, it's like a mad bull seeing red and charging with his head down.

One last thing, yes many more mosques will be built so start feeling sick from now, and there's nothing you can do to stop them.

Because they build them with their money, but the problem is where ever you turn you see at least one,
Are you from the BNP? I am sure you are a member, and if you're not my advice is join them.

I am sure you already are.
............................

Only Zionists talk the way you talk, this is hardly an insult
you haven't convinced me, you know why??
I'll tell you why, those exact articles, exact words you used, I swear I have seen them before, we have debated them in a real life, I have told you, the source you're getting this information from, is not new it's been there for years.

But you were not prepared to debate, all you were doing is pasting long pages of so called evidence, I was asking about your knowledge what do you know?

You never debated all you did is paste paste, for me it's not a debate it's a propaganda.

None of it is true, or sometimes half the story, because if you get the real information, you know that information won't mean a thing.

What do you want me to tell you, yes it's the truth? it is not, why would I admit something that isn't the truth??

Because I have seen that information, I have searched it, looked at it before you knew it was there.

I had a whole list of websites dedicated to slander, If I find that list you will see that it's true, ran, funded by the Zionists, and that's why I called you a Zionist, because you were using their exact slogans and false information.

Whether you were doing it willingly or genuinly believe that is the truth either way you are wrong.

This is not about an ego, If I am wrong I usually admit, maybe someday you will see that I admit when I am wrong.
But on this occasion I am not, I know why I am not wrong.

To explain one tiny thing about Islam will take pages and pages of the forum, and to be honest for anyone to learn about religion, it's not on forum or a website.

And excuse me if I don't believe you, when you say you were once defending Islam, I simply don't believe you.
I am just being honest, it's true I can't prove it, but I find it very hard to believe that you were once defending Islam ;)

Anyway from me No hard feelings, and may GOD forgive us all, that's all I have to say to you.
It's up to you what you want to do next

[eternal_spirit]

[quote]Only Zionists talk the way you talk, this is hardly an insult
you haven't convinced me,


you know why??
I'll tell you why, those exact articles, exact words you used, I swear I have seen them before, we have debated them in a real life, I have told you, the source you're getting this information from, is not new it's been there for years.

But you were not prepared to debate, all you were doing is pasting long pages of so called evidence, I was asking about your knowledge what do you know?

You never debated all you did is paste paste, for me it's not a debate it's a propaganda.

Come on man that's lame Muslims will always call someone who doesn't like Islam a Zionist. I typed out 1000's of words as well in two threads on Islam.

None of it is true, or sometimes half the story, because if you get the real information, you know that information won't mean a thing.

What do you want me to tell you, yes it's the truth? it is not, why would I admit something that isn't the truth??

Because I have seen that information, I have searched it, looked at it before you knew it was there.

I had a whole list of websites dedicated to slander, If I find that list you will see that it's true, ran, funded by the Zionists, and that's why I called you a Zionist, because you were using their exact slogans and false information.
Man you need to be specific when you see what you think is disinfo and be able to disprove it. Which sites? the one with the hexagram on (Star of David) I guess you'd count that as one.

I posted my first ever thread on Islam 6 months ago, and two this week! maybe another two at the most in all that time (2 and half years I been here) I've posted lot's about Zionists before that, reading - including Islamic authors views, iamthewitness (sure you know DBS he has Muslims on his radio shows) I've studied the Zionist thing in depth.

I agree there is some disinfo put out, but I'm looking at the other side now - Islam.
Whether you were doing it willingly or genuinly believe that is the truth either way you are wrong.How much disinfo is put out by Muslims about Jews and Christians, you know it works both ways.
Should I be weary of Islamic sites with Islamic symbols, because I've read some crap/disinfo on such sites.

This is not about an ego, If I am wrong I usually admit, maybe someday you will see that I admit when I am wrong.
But on this occasion I am not, I know why I am not wrong.Well that makes two of us :D

To explain one tiny thing about Islam will take pages and pages of the forum, and to be honest for anyone to learn about religion, it's not on forum or a website.Cop out.

And excuse me if I don't believe you, when you say you were once defending Islam, I simply don't believe you.I know you don't believe anything I say (even when it's backed up by the Koran, Hadiths and Islamic sources)
I am just being honest, it's true I can't prove it, but I find it very hard to believe that you were once defending Islam ;)I did so!

Anyway from me No hard feelings, and may GOD forgive us all, that's all I have to say to you.
It's up to you what you want to do next
Most threads I start get trolled and go off topic gets a bit tiresome 2 and half years of it, so I was in no mood before of the same repeats.
We did make up once before after our first debate. Let's try keep the peace.

[eternal_spirit]

Why would Islam want to take of over the world? They can try but they will fail. That map is pretty scarey; looks like one of those WWII Europe Maps but here Islam is the ever expanding empire. How did Islam become dominent in India? Then, I look at an African Map and don't know if I want to live anywhere on it, -- Note Angola is not Muslim. Interesting stuff.. the inhumanity and all.


Yes the map. India? This covers more of what's happening Today and recently. In case the ramifications of the unfolding scenario are not yet clear to Indians, the bomb-blasts and religious riots are a roaring continuation of the 1400-year Jihad against India – an ongoing war that will culminate in the Islamisation of what’s left of Hindustan. Already the demographic battle is underway and the Mughalistan scenario looks feasible. The book “Religious Demography of India” published by A P Joshi, M.D. Srinivas and J K Bajaj of the Centre for Policy Studies (CPS), Chennai, reveals that in 2001, Muslims comprise over 30% of the total population in the Indian-subcontinent (comprising India, Pakistan and Bangladesh). The total Muslim population zoomed from 12.5% (1991) to 30.3% (2001), in just 10 years (from ex-IAS officer V.Sundaram’s article in “News Today”: Deathly Demographic warnings for India).

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1037586&postcount=14

And this seems to be the beginning or round abouts

Issuing forth year after year from his capital of Ghazni, Sultan Mahmud carried sixteen or seventeen campaigns into northern India and Gujarat, as well as others to the north and west. His first campaigns were against the Hindu Shahi kingdom, which occupied the Punjab from the Indus east to the Ganges. He had participated in his father's campaigns against the Shahi king Jayapala in the late 980s that captured the Khyber Pass region as far east as the Indus. Sultan Mahmud campaigned against the Shahis in 1001, and in 1004 raided deep into the ...

http://www.experiencefestival.com/gif_new.php?date=
(http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Censorship_in_South_Asia_-_India/id/4907376)Several books critical of Islam have been banned in India or in parts of India. India was the first country in the world to ban the Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie. The book Understanding Islam through Hadits by Ram Swarup was also banned. There have also been claims that the history of the Islamic invasion of India is being systematically whitewashed and censored in Indian school-books and in other media (e.g. Shourie 1998). ...

http://www.experiencefestival.com/islamic_invasion_of_india/page/2

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/images/veil.gif In Muslim societies religion governs all aspects of life and has priority over secular laws and local customs, therefore, the excuse that tradition alone is responsible for women's oppression is untenable. Unless Muslim apologists are prepared to back their claims by a campaign to reform their religion and improve the situation of women, their assertions that Islam is blameless in oppressing women, are null and void.

[pinkfreud]

that map is incorrect.

angola isn't entirely muslim, and india has an overwhelmingly hindu (majority) population. why is it almost coloured entirely in green?

[eternal_spirit]

that map is incorrect.

angola isn't entirely muslim, and india has an overwhelmingly hindu (majority) population. why is it almost coloured entirely in green?
You're right
The map is at the end of the page on the link, but I put the map in another post under the text, because it was too big a pic and made my text not fit in the width of the reply box (means you'd be scrolling left and right to read it, happens sometimes when you paste from a site)

Maybe it's what is claimed is the goal of Islamisation of India and how the map will look if it happens.
:confused: Or it represents where Muslims already are are in India...

Here's the text with the map and the rest of text with more maps at link :D with places I've never heard of!http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1037586&postcount=14




Lessons of history have been quickly forgotten. Indians have become twisted “politically correct” escapists who prefer to turn a blind eye to reality. Now it is not about just Kashmir any more, it is all of India that Pakistan wants. And the creation of Mughalistan is not a question of “If”, but “When”. Unless we stand up and stop it.
All Indians, secularists and nationalists alike, must act quickly. We should ponder upon the future of India that we will bequeath to our children in the near future, if the plan of Mughalistan is allowed to proceed unhindered. Indians have to start taking responsibility for their future generations. We must do everything in our might, to ensure that the tide of Islamic expansionism is restricted and reversed, beginning right now.

PS where you born Hindu PF?

[eternal_spirit]

http://moinansari.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/map_islamic_world-today.jpg

[eternal_spirit]

The population figures vary, but that could depend on the year of Concensus, or and the drawing of the maps
http://www.theislamicunion.com/res/islam88.jpg


http://terrorismwillose.tf.funpic.org/pic8/map12isl.jpg
By jove this is a jolly old map indeed.

[eternal_spirit]

[quote]Sorry spirit, you've just been put in your place real proper. Changed your mind yet? Like I said he started on me.
Really? Alright. That was convenient for you I guess, now that you don't have to respond to my points.
sarcasm begets
:rolleyes:


What lies?I left you a link, just one example.

That you're a militant anti-Muslim zealot? He has demonstrated that you and others have provoked him. He's even given proof of hate-speech on your behalf. I see no lying. That is militant and zealous behavior.Militant, nope, that's radical Islam. I'm honest and giving warnings to others. Hate speech? Angry? yes! saying genital mutilation is sick and so is Islam, sick = stoning, hanging, beheading, chopping off of limbs (most sane people would find that sick) It's also hate in action, inspired and commanded by hate.

You wouldn't know the truth, how many threads have you read with me and him debating, because I'm sure you'd change your mind if you did.

That's really too close to the truth for your comfort and I totally understand why you would call it 'lies'. Just like you would tell me my tail is on fire etc. instead of holding your ground.

Erm, no. I was ignoring you to see if you'd calm down and leave me alone (that's why I never replied to all your nonsense) Comet = tail of fire, although some smart ass may say ice or is that a meteor nevermind, sarcasm joke.
Whatever you say. I think the definition of slanders, lies, and truth are completely perverted and used by people like yourself as tools to bully a topic around until it is too exhausted to stand on it's own two feet.Eh?:rolleyes: Such as? maybe you're speaking of yourself, this thread is a good example. (like I said you and adbasque started on me, I'm merely replying to your bullying, have some Karma)
This allows you to wait until everyone is sick of hearing you and leaves the thread, and then puff your chest in the air and claim you just 'won'. You are deluded man. You've been here a few months you know very little of what's gone on between myself and others in the past 2 and a half years and how you can argue with same folk years later.

Say I started reading thread half way through and see you giving someone a vebral bashing, I may think that Metacomets a right so and so etc, but what if you didn't start the crap, someone else had been hounding and baiting you for sometime, either on that thread or from many others threads previously, and I hadn't read any of it.


This is a pattern you have demonstrated countless times so far, eternal. Oh, I've seen you in action, and don't like your condescending, moralistic, hypocritical bullshit, picking fights, like on this thread. Get down off ye high horse (shetland pony more like)



It doesn't make you a bad guy. It's just all you seem to do on this forum. And if you wouldn't have pussed out on my first point,More nonsense "It's just all you seem to do on this forum" this sentence makes no sense.

you would realize that what I told you is that all men subjugate women to make up for lack of power, not just Muslims. But you aren't looking to consider points like that, because they promote objectivity. You have an agenda.So? Let's stick with the facts (stoning for adultry and Islam) why steer away from the topic and let's blame men generally spiel.
I still don't get your beef with me (like I said and this is the third time I had none with you)

I don't see any point in carrying this on, I think we've both said enough.

You're out of order, if you're looking for a fight try the rant room sure someone will oblige, just call them names for about 3 posts like you have me.

Now are you gonna stop this crap? I hope so, so we can both move on or have a debate.

[adbasque]

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/images/veil.gif In Muslim societies religion governs all aspects of life and has priority over secular laws and local customs, therefore, the excuse that tradition alone is responsible for women's oppression is untenable. Unless Muslim apologists are prepared to back their claims by a campaign to reform their religion and improve the situation of women, their assertions that Islam is blameless in oppressing women, are null and void.

How many times Muslim women here in the west and the ones overseas openly stated they love to wear Hidjab it makes them secure, feel safe, they admit several times, on TV, they have high position etc.. they have admitted that it was a personal choice, but you disregard all of that and keep doing the same things over and over lol

The truth is some people get very angry because when they see a woman who's all covered up, suddenly it kills them to see what's under that uniform and they can't see so it drives them nuts. not being able to see the flesh

Because in their eyes a woman is nothing but a sex object, a piece of meat.
That is what really pisses some people off in the west.
Again the intolerance of anyone different than them.

Eternal you know I am telling the truth, let's go out on the street and ask women why are they wearing it, you'll see how many women would confrim what I just said.

[luciferhorus]

Nuked to death or living hell for.....Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.

http://www.militaryministry.org/wp-content/uploads/img_4533-webres.JPG Military Wrestles With Disharmony Among Chaplains http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/29/AR2005082902036_pf.html By Alan Cooperman Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, August 30, 2005; A01 The growing influence of evangelical Protestants is roiling the military chaplain corps, where their desire to preach their faith more openly is colliding with long-held military traditions of pluralism and diversity. After accusations this summer that evangelical chaplains, faculty and coaches were pressuring cadets at the Air Force Academy, the Air Force yesterday issued new guidelines on respect for religious minorities. In the Navy, evangelical Protestant chaplains are fighting what they say is a legacy of discrimination in hiring and promotions, and they are bridling at suggestions they not pray publicly "in the name of Jesus." http://www.bpnews.net/ImageServerDB.asp?ID=23010&height=300&quality=70 Much of the conflict is in two areas that, until now, have been nearly invisible to civilians: how the military hires its ministers and how they word their public prayers. Evangelical chaplains -- who are rising in numbers and clout amid a decline in Catholic priests and mainline Protestant ministers -- are challenging the status quo on both questions, causing even some evangelical commanders to worry about the impact on morale. "There is a polarization that is beginning to set up that I don't think is helpful. Us versus them," said Air Force Col. Richard K. Hum, an Evangelical Free Church minister who is the executive director of the Armed Forces Chaplains Board. "I don't know whether it's an overflow of what's happening in society. But this sort of thing is so detrimental to what we are trying to do in the chaplaincy." The Rev. MeLinda S. Morton, a Lutheran minister who resigned in June as an Air Force chaplain after criticizing the religious atmosphere at the Air Force Academy, said there has been a palpable rise in evangelical fervor not just among chaplains but also among the officer corps in general since she joined the military in 1982, originally as a launch officer in a nuclear missile silo. http://trueslant.com/michaelpeck/files/2009/05/size0-armymil-31341-2009-03-04-1303351.jpg "When we were coneheads -- missile officers -- I would never, ever have engaged in conversations with subordinates aligning my power and position as an officer with my views on faith matters," she said. Today, "I've heard of people being made incredibly uncomfortable by certain wing commanders who engage in sectarian devotions at staff meetings." Diversity Without Quotas The tradition of chaplains in the U.S. military goes back to George Washington, who first sought a minister for his Virginia regiment in 1756. In the early days of the republic, commanders simply chose a chaplain who shared their beliefs. But with the expansion of the military in World War II, the armed services set quotas for chaplains of various faiths, attempting to match the proportion of each denomination in the general population. http://images20.fotki.com/v367/photos/5/55348/4421764/chaplainlowthian-vi.jpg In a class-action lawsuit -- filed in 1999 in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia and still in the discovery, or evidence-gathering, stage -- more than 50 Navy chaplains contend that the formula became a rigid and discriminatory "thirds rule": one-third Catholics, one-third mainline Protestants and one-third everybody else. According to Hum, the military abandoned numerical targets about 20 years ago, partly for legal reasons and partly because the proliferation of religious groups made the system unworkable. Although chaplains are paid by the armed services, they must be ordained and "endorsed," or nominated, by religious organizations. The number of endorsers has grown from about 10 denominations in 1945 to more than 240 groups today, Hum said. Like college admissions officers, Pentagon officials now say they seek diversity without using quotas. "We don't actually say we want to have four rabbis this year, or 20 Catholic priests. What we do is, we look at who is sent to us by our endorsers throughout the country and . . . then we bring the best qualified into the chaplain corps," Rear Adm. Louis V. Iasiello, a Catholic priest and the chief of Navy chaplains, said in an interview at the Pentagon's Navy Annex. Pentagon data analyzed by The Washington Post show a substantial rise in the number of evangelical chaplains in the past decade, along with a modest decline in mainline Protestant ministers and a precipitous drop in Catholic priests, mirroring a nationwide priest shortage. Of the approximately 1.4 million people on active duty in the military, 21.5 percent list their religion as Roman Catholic. But of the 2,860 active-duty chaplains, 355 -- or 12.4 percent -- are Catholic priests. By far the largest single provider of chaplains to the military is now the Southern Baptist Convention, with 451 chaplains, one for every 40 service members who list their denomination as Southern Baptist. Although the military has had growing difficulty recruiting ministers from mainline Protestant seminaries, many evangelical denominations place a high priority on supplying chaplains to the military. The Church of God in Christ, for example, has 109 active-duty chaplains. The Full Gospel churches have 61, the Church of the Nazarene has 68, and the Cleveland, Tenn.-based Churches of God have 58. The chief endorser of chaplains for the National Association of Evangelicals said he believes that the bias against evangelicals, though once real, is gone. "When you look at the Navy today, you see evangelicals at the top of the hierarchy," said retired Col. Stephen W. Leonard, a former Army chaplain. He points to the deputy chief of Navy chaplains, Rear Adm. Robert F. Burt, who belongs to the Open Bible Standard Church, and to the previous chief of Navy chaplains, the Rev. Barry C. Black, a Seventh-day Adventist who became chaplain of the Senate after retiring from the Navy. "There probably were chaplains that didn't get selected [for promotion] that probably should have been selected. But we're past that now. Let bygones be bygones," Leonard said. How to Preach With the growth in evangelicals, heated disputes are occurring over public prayers. Iasiello said chaplains are free to preach however they wish in their base chapels or at sectarian worship services. But when they have a multi-faith audience at staff meetings, change-of-command ceremonies, ship commissionings and other public events, they are encouraged to offer more generic, inclusive prayers, he said. "We train our people to be sensitive to the needs of all of God's people. We don't direct how a person's going to pray. Because everyone's own denomination or faith group has certain directives or certain ways of doing things, and we would never -- it's that whole separation-of-church-and-state thing -- we would never want to direct institutionally that a person could or couldn't do something," Iasiello said. But the model of chaplaincy advocated by older chaplains such as Iasiello, which hinges on self-restraint, is increasingly under challenge by younger ones, such as Lt. Gordon James Klingenschmitt, 37. Three years ago, Klingenschmitt left the Air Force, where he had been a missile officer for 11 years, and joined the Navy as a chaplain. He took a demotion and a pay cut to make the switch. But he was joyful. "I had been serving my country," he said. "I wanted to serve God." It was not long, however, before disillusionment set in. At the Navy Chaplains School in Newport, R.I., a senior military minister gave Klingenschmitt and other new chaplains a lesson in how to offer prayers in public settings. Classmates who prayed to a generic "God" or "Almighty" won praise. Those who prayed "in the name of Jesus" were counseled to be more sensitive, according to Klingenschmitt. As a minister from a small evangelical denomination, the Evangelical Episcopal Church, Klingenschmitt bristled at those instructions. He wrote a paper citing a Pentagon regulation that "chaplains shall be permitted to conduct public worship according to the manner and forms of the church of which they are members." Aboard the USS Anzio, his first post, he backed a Jewish sailor's request to receive kosher meals and tried to get permission for a Muslim crewman to take a turn offering the nightly benediction over the ship's public address system. But Klingenschmitt also insisted on his own right to preach what he believes as a born-again Christian. In July 2004, he was reprimanded for a sermon at the memorial service of a sailor who died in a motorcycle accident. The sailor, Klingenschmitt said in a recent interview, was a Catholic, "and I had led him to a born-again experience before he died." In the sermon, he said, he emphasized that the sailor was certainly in heaven and "mentioned in passing" that according to John 3:36, those who do not accept Jesus are doomed for eternity. "My sermon was in the base chapel, it was optional attendance, and it was by invitation. If we can't quote certain scriptures in the base chapel when people are invited to church, where can we quote them?" he said. "Don't paint me as a person who's going around forcing my faith on people. I've never done that." In March, Klingenschmitt's commander recommended against extending his tour in the Navy, writing that he has "demonstrated recurring confusion concerning a chaplain's role within a military organization." Klingenschmitt has accused the Navy of religious discrimination, contending in a written complaint to his superiors that he was punished because he refused to practice a "government-sanitized" faith that he calls "Pluralism," with a capital P. Navy officials declined to discuss Klingenschmitt's case. But they noted that the National Conference on Ministry to the Armed Forces, a private association to which most chaplains belong, says in its code of ethics that each chaplain must "function in a pluralistic environment" and "not proselytize from other religious bodies," though they "retain the right to evangelize those who are not affiliated." Whether there should be any tacit limits on chaplains' free speech has also been an issue at the Air Force Academy. A team of observers from Yale Divinity School criticized one of the academy's ministers for urging Protestant cadets to tell their classmates that anyone who is "not born-again will burn in the fires of hell." "Could there possibly be a worse time for this fundamentalist Christianity to be pushed in our military, when we're in a war and the people we are fighting are recruiting their members by saying we're Christian crusaders?" asked Mikey Weinstein, a 1977 Air Force Academy graduate and former Reagan White House official. http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/chaplain.jpg His complaints over the past 18 months about religious intolerance led to a Pentagon investigation in June that found "a lack of awareness over where the line is drawn between permissible and impermissible expression of beliefs." Among other incidents, the academy commandant had urged cadets to use the "J for Jesus" hand signal with the thumb and index finger, the head football coach had told players that he expected to see them in church, and Jewish cadets had experienced anti-Semitic slurs after students were urged to see the Mel Gibson film "The Passion of the Christ." Lt. Gen. Roger A. Brady, the Air Force's deputy chief of staff for personnel, assured a June 26 congressional hearing that "the clergy pretty much have the political correctness thing down" and that "most of the complaints are with cadets and cadet-led prayers." But Klingenschmitt, who has served in both the Navy and the Air Force, said he thinks they share a basic flaw. In both services, he said, "the higher-ranking authorities can impose their faith on the junior authorities. 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Love and Light

Lucifer

[eternal_spirit]

http://theshepherdsvoice.org/islam/images/hang4.jpg
How Islam Elevates Women
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A Hindu being beaten by Muslims in a mosque in Bangladesh. He was captured outside the mosque while going home. After Friday prayers were over, the Muslims came out and grabbed the first Hindu they could. Mr. Vimal Patak a Bangladeshi born Hindu was beaten to death with sticks as the Muslim mullas (priests) chanted "kill the Kafir!" (non-muslim). With folded hands he begged for his life and died a brutal death. It clearly show the cruelty of Islam.
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All I want to do is to obey my holy book !
9:39 (http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.039), Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.
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Quran: the book of peace.
If you disagree this dagger is for you!

[eternal_spirit]

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Parental love is instinctive both in animals and in humans. These pictures are to show the level of brainwashing that it takes to make a parent harm and mutilate his own toddler to appease his imaginary deity.
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A Shiite mother rejoices after inflicting wounds on the head of her toddler
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A loving father teaching "religious values" to his son, Islamic way.
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A proud mother watching her son bleed. The more pain the greater the reward. After this she is assured of paradise.
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Iraqi Shiites exercising their freedom to practice their faith.
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No, this is not a scene from Dante's Inferno. These are Shiite Pilgrims Worshipping at Karbala Shrine
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The barb chain in designed to scar the skin and make the mourners bleed. The mourners bleed after beating themselves with barbed chains
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[metacomet]

http://theshepherdsvoice.org/islam/images/giraffe_vs_muslims.jpg

That's fucking bigotry, and you don't even realize it.

"This is how muslims treat their children."

You know all Muslims? You think they all perform blood ritual?

:rolleyes: The ignorance and hatred is just palpable in this thread. Yuck.

[eternal_spirit]

:rolleyes: The ignorance and hatred is just palpable in this thread. Yuck.
Yes from you.

[adbasque]

http://theshepherdsvoice.org/islam/images/giraffe_vs_muslims.jpg

That's fucking bigotry, and you don't even realize it.

"This is how muslims treat their children."

You know all Muslims? You think they all perform blood ritual?

:rolleyes: The ignorance and hatred is just palpable in this thread. Yuck.
I don't think he is an ignorant, He knows what he is doing believe me, this is not a work of an ignorant (well in a sense yes) but he knows exactly what he is doing.
he spends perhaps 90% of his time creating threads about Islam or posting this stuff about Islam, his aim? well a number of reasons in my view.
I think he is either deluded
maybe pure hatred of the unknown
a Christian extremist pretending not to care about any religion
but my money is on a Zionist, that's exactly what Zionist do on a daily basis
it reminds me a bit of the late 80s early 90s

If he cares to find out about Islam, he'd know that these are sects, nothing to do with Islam, and the prophet Mohamed did warn about other sects that will follow after his death.

Metacomet they know where is the real Islam and where are the sects.


I can show him other sects do worse things, does that mean they are Muslims?
Anybody can do horrific things and call himself Muslim.

I will create a group called Islam of Sanity and do all the evil things, does that make me a Muslim?

Show us where in the Quoran it says you need to do these rituals, and he calls these "Facts" yes they are facts some lunatic somewhere is performing them, are they facts from Islam's teachings? I dare anyone to prove these teachings are within Islam's core and spirituality.

I know they know where the true Islam is, the truth about Islam.
Let them enjoy themselves with more propaganda. :)


Eternal_Spirit And you dare to tell me you are stating facts?
are these your facts?

So the slaughtering of the thousands of Muslims (women, children, defenceless men) during the crusades were of Christianity teachings?

I am not a bigot, I know it had nothing to do with the teachings of Christianity, it's the sickos that hijacked the religion to do what they are good at, killin bloodshed.

[adbasque]

http://theshepherdsvoice.org/islam/images/bookofdeath.jpg

This picture Mr Eternal_Spirit

What does it say to you? have you checked that guy that he is a Muslim.
Or a Muslim brainwashed to do just that?

Have you heard of the Mossad, I am sure you did, and even if he is a true Muslim
he carrys a gun and the Quoran in his hand obviously you don't care what Israel is doing to them, do you want him to crawl?
Oh no it's easy to post pictures of the monsters with guns in their hands.

Yes the US Army who were reading the Bible just before they stroke Iraqi children, that was ok, wasn't it?

With a flag reading we will kill your god, our god is better than yours?

I told you, you only see what you want to see, all you're doing is stir stir and you also know that I know what you're up to, deep down, and what's sad you think people will believe these lies that you call facts, they are only facts for you and people with the same views as you.

You're not fooling anyone believe me, people aren't stupid to fall for this nonsense.

Anyway enjoy yourself, I can see you have a personal thing with Islam and Muslims.

I don't know how this can possible to have a problem with 1.5 billion people, but obviously you do. lol

And you're not even debating, you have been posting, posting stuff everyday 24hrs a day :D

That's why I am bored with this stuff

[element]

Both Christianity and Islam have been and still are some great tools for converting and destroying.

I don't see the issue, ES is showing the dangers of certain religious views.
Now you can all say, it's the western governments, which is partly true, but what does that make of the religion, to be used like that?
Adbasque, you shouldn't take all of ES info personal, he presents it as it is, there are Muslims with these views.. unfortunately.

[adbasque]

Both Christianity and Islam have been and still are some great tools for converting and destroying.

I don't see the issue, ES is showing the dangers of certain religious views.
Now you can all say, it's the western governments, which is partly true, but what does that make of the religion, to be used like that? It means it isn't strong enouh by itself.

Adbasque, you shouldn't take all of ES info personal, he presents it as it is, there are Muslims with these views.. unfortunately.

He is not presenting anything, he is trying to prove that Islam is a religion of evil that is his only goal and aim.

When are you people going to understand, there are all sorts of people doing evil things in the name of A religion DELIBERATELY so people like you would think JUST that.

When are you going to look beyond the bleeding obvious?

I know of these people, that he is posting, what he can't show is the link between that and what real Islam is all about.

like these

On July the Fourth, the day of America's Independence celebration, He announced the beginning of His mission which was to restore and to resurrect His lost and found people, who were identified as the original members of the Tribe of Shabazz from the Lost Nation of Asia. The lost people of the original nation of African descent, were captured, exploited, and dehumanized to serve as servitude slaves of America for over three centuries. His mission was to teach the downtrodden and defenseless Black people a thorough Knowledge of God and of themselves, and to put them on the road to Self-Independence with a superior culture and higher civilization than they had previously experienced.


http://www.noi.org/images/hmlf_hem.jpgThis is clearly a political movement called Nation Of Islam, who the hell is he to preach anything? who is he? on who's authority?

ANYBODY can do that, and the Nation of Islam is pure creation of the CIA, the sooner people open their eyes and look beyond what seem to be the reality.
He is a racist, and in Islam there's no racism, none whatsoever!!

But the truth is it suits a lot of people to accept this bigotry as facts.

I am a Muslim, why is it then I don't hurt myself, or my children, or kill people, or even getting involved in any sick rituals then?

How can you explain this?
If it's Islam how come I am doing none of these things and so are billion others?

I repeat it is done deliberately whether you want to accept the truth, the truth won't change, the truth always be there for those who want to find it.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

He is not presenting anything, he is trying to prove that Islam is a religion of evil that is his only goal and aim.

When are you people going to understand, there are all sorts of people doing evil things in the name of A religion DELIBERATELY so people like you would think JUST that.

When are you going to look beyond the bleeding obvious?

I know of these people, that he is posting, what he can't show is the link between that and what real Islam is all about.

like these

On July the Fourth, the day of America's Independence celebration, He announced the beginning of His mission which was to restore and to resurrect His lost and found people, who were identified as the original members of the Tribe of Shabazz from the Lost Nation of Asia. The lost people of the original nation of African descent, were captured, exploited, and dehumanized to serve as servitude slaves of America for over three centuries. His mission was to teach the downtrodden and defenseless Black people a thorough Knowledge of God and of themselves, and to put them on the road to Self-Independence with a superior culture and higher civilization than they had previously experienced.


http://www.noi.org/images/hmlf_hem.jpgThis is clearly a political movement called Nation Of Islam, who the hell is he to preach anything? who is he? on who's authority?

ANYBODY can do that, and the Nation of Islam is pure creation of the CIA, the sooner people open their eyes and look beyond what seem to be the reality.
He is a racist, and in Islam there's no racism, none whatsoever!!

But the truth is it suits a lot of people to accept this bigotry as facts.

I am a Muslim, why is it then I don't hurt myself, or my children, or kill people, or even getting involved in any sick rituals then?

How can you explain this?
If it's Islam how come I am doing none of these things and so are billion others?

I repeat it is done deliberately whether you want to accept the truth, the truth won't change, the truth always be there for those who want to find it.




Excellent points, I salute you. :)

[element]

I am a Muslim, why is it then I don't hurt myself, or my children, or kill people, or even getting involved in any sick rituals then?

How can you explain this?
If it's Islam how come I am doing none of these things and so are billion others?

I repeat it is done deliberately whether you want to accept the truth, the truth won't change, the truth always be there for those who want to find it.
So called 'holy' books have scripture that advocates violence. Some see this as the past, others don't. And no one is saying all Muslims are bad.

[adbasque]

So called 'holy' books have scripture that advocates violence. Some see this as the past, others don't. And no one is saying all Muslims are bad.

First it is not so called, it is called show some respect even if you don't agree with it:)

When people don't understand something they don't usually see the gray area, have you read the Quoran?
Have you read the Quoran in arabic?

I doubt very much, people read and translate what they want.

The Arabic language one thing could have several meanings, it's a very difficult language to master, even for Arabs.

Islam asks the believers to defend themselves, to protect themselves and their properties, to help on another against a common enemy, whom ever it maybe, because Islam has enemies the same enemies the previous religions had.

Now if you read the word "Jihad" and someone somewhere told you well Diihad means kill, fight.

How about Jihad anafs?
Fight your own self with a sword? is that what it means? stab yourself?
Jihad means struggle, that's all, the zionist turned into kill, murder, mass murder and so on.

Jihad anafs is a struggle within yourself against evil's temptations for instance, don't be greedy, don't be violent, don't be agressive, DON'T BE SELFISH, try not to be.

Islam is about love and compassion, all you see in Islam is the words, without the sentence, without the true meaning.

Show me what is bad about looking after your neighbour, it doesn't matter who he is or what he is, in Islam it's your responsibility to look after him.

Does this sound to you as a hateful behaviour?
As I said people have NO idea what Islam really is, I could keep on typing til tomorrow, but it's not one thing to explain in details.

[adbasque]

Excellent points, I salute you. :)

:)

[picha]

First it is not so called, it is called show some respect even if you don't agree with it:)

When people don't understand something they don't usually see the gray area, have you read the Quoran?
Have you read the Quoran in arabic?

I doubt very much, people read and translate what they want.

The Arabic language one thing could have several meanings, it's a very difficult language to master, even for Arabs.

Islam asks the believers to defend themselves, to protect themselves and their properties, to help on another against a common enemy, whom ever it maybe, because Islam has enemies the same enemies the previous religions had.

Now if you read the word "Jihad" and someone somewhere told you well Diihad means kill, fight.

How about Jihad anafs?
Fight your own self with a sword? is that what it means? stab yourself?
Jihad means struggle, that's all, the zionist turned into kill, murder, mass murder and so on.

Jihad anafs is a struggle within yourself against evil's temptations for instance, don't be greedy, don't be violent, don't be agressive, DON'T BE SELFISH, try not to be.

Islam is about love and compassion, all you see in Islam is the words, without the sentence, without the true meaning.

Show me what is bad about looking after your neighbour, it doesn't matter who he is or what he is, in Islam it's your responsibility to look after him.

Does this sound to you as a hateful behaviour?
As I said people have NO idea what Islam really is, I could keep on typing til tomorrow, but it's not one thing to explain in details.

I know exactly what islam is. Its just the arabian moon god religion minus the lower gods.

[adbasque]

I know exactly what islam is. Its just the arabian moon god religion minus the lower gods.

Good for you Picha :)

[eternal_spirit]

I don't think he is an ignorant, He knows what he is doing believe me, this is not a work of an ignorant (well in a sense yes) but he knows exactly what he is doing.
he spends perhaps 90% of his time creating threads about Islam or posting this stuff about Islam, his aim? well a number of reasons in my view.

I've posted about 5 threads in two and half years
I think he is either deluded
maybe pure hatred of the unknown
a Christian extremist pretending not to care about any religionIslamic Scooby called me a Jew figures. And you're both as right as a left handed Muslim who's had the other hand cut of for petty minor offences.
but my money is on a Zionist, that's exactly what Zionist do on a daily basis
it reminds me a bit of the late 80s early 90sDo they pay well can you get me a job working for the Zionists? or do the masters of Islamic extremist disnfo/blogs pay more? Because I turned down the offer from the CIA and could use some extra cash.

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[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1039011#post1039011)
http://theshepherdsvoice.org/islam/images/hang4.jpg
How Islam Elevates Women

http://theshepherdsvoice.org/islam/images/giraffe_vs_muslims.jpg
Parental love is instinctive both in animals and in humans. These pictures are to show the level of brainwashing that it takes to make a parent harm and mutilate his own toddler to appease his imaginary deity.
http://theshepherdsvoice.org/islam/images/ashura2.jpg
A Shiite mother rejoices after inflicting wounds on the head of her toddler
http://theshepherdsvoice.org/islam/images/ashura11.jpg
A loving father teaching "religious values" to his son, Islamic way.
http://theshepherdsvoice.org/islam/images/ashura12.gif
A proud mother watching her son bleed. The more pain the greater the reward. After this she is assured of paradise.

People would be throwing hissy fits and condeming all this, if it wasn't Muslims doing it, say it was Satanists, occultists, or another religion caught on camera doing this, I'm certain you Muslims and others would be condeming such behaviour

[eternal_spirit]

The Shiites are the only surviving major sectarian movement in Islam. They emerged out of a dispute over political succession to Muhammad, the Shiites claiming that rule over the community is a divine right of the Prophet's descendants through his daughter Fatima and her husband Ali. The Shiites believe in a series of 12 infallible leaders beginning with Iman Ali and are thus also known as the "Twelvers." The 12th and last imam disappeared in 880, and Shiites await his return, at which time the world will be filled with justice. Until that time even the best ruler is only half legitimate. The Shiites, in contrast to the orthodox Sunnites, emphasize esoteric knowledge in a charismatic leader rather than the consensus of the scholarly elite.
Other Sects

[metacomet]

When are you people going to understand, there are all sorts of people doing evil things in the name of A religion DELIBERATELY so people like you would think JUST that.


Man, I am just glad to have you on this board.

You know what's up.

Don't waste too much time casting pearls before (certain) swine, eh? It's not worth it :)

[eternal_spirit]

Man, I am just glad to have you on this board.

You know what's up.

Don't waste too much time casting pearls before (certain) swine, eh? It's not worth it :)
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http://www.voanews.com/english/images/nav_muslim_us_halal_meat_owner_chida_210.jpg

pigs ban NOVELTY pig calendars and toys have been banned from a council office — in case they offend Muslim staff. Workers in the benefits department at Dudley Council, West Midlands, were told to remove or cover up all pig-related items, including toys, porcelain figures, calendars and even a tissue box featuring Winnie the Pooh and Piglet.
Bosses acted after a Muslim complained about pig-shaped stress relievers delivered to the council in the run-up to the Islamic festival of Ramadan.
Muslims are barred from eating pork in the Koran and consider pigs unclean.
Councillor Mahbubur Rahman, a practising Muslim, backed the ban. He said: “It’s a tolerance of people’s beliefs.” www.thesun.co.uk (http://www.thesun.co.uk/)


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[eternal_spirit]

Hajj pilgrims throw stones at devil symbols, celebrate feast


MINA, Saudi Arabia -- Young Iranian pilgrim Mohammad Kheirkhah threw stones at symbols of the devil Monday and had the flowing black locks he loved shaved off — one of 3 million Muslims on the hajj pilgrimage performing rituals to symbolize rejection of temptation and a new, purified self.

Later in the day, Kheirkhah and many of the other pilgrims enjoyed a feast of freshly slaughtered sheep, goats and camels at a huge tent city in Mina, a desert valley east of Islam’s holiest city, Mecca. Similar sacrifices, marking the start of the Eid al-Adha, or Feast of the Sacrifice, were carried out by Muslims around the world.
The holiday commemorates a story celebrated by Muslims, Jews and Christians in which God asked the prophet Abraham to sacrifice his son to prove his faith, but then in the end offered a sheep to kill instead.
Muslim tradition says it was at Mina, 3 miles (5 kilometers) from Mecca, that the devil tried to tempt Abraham to disobey God by refusing to sacrifice his son. Hordes of pilgrims dressed in their white robes streamed across Mina valley Monday toward three walls symbolizing the devil known as the Jamarat, chanting “at thy service, my God, at thy service.”
The massive crowds streamed through a four-story platform the size of an airport terminal built around the walls, and each pilgrim stoned the largest wall with pebbles collected earlier on the nearby rocky plain of Muzdalifah. They will return on each of the final two days of the five-day pilgrimage, which ends Wednesday, to stone all three walls.
The stoning ritual has caused frequent stampedes that have killed more than a thousand pilgrims in past pilgrimages. More than 1,400 people were killed in 1990 in a stampede in a tunnel leading to the Jamarat. In 2006, over 360 people died in a similar incident while they were on a platform performing the stoning ritual.
Col. Khaled al-Mahmadi, the head of security at the Jamarat, said precautionary measures have been taken to avoid a stampede — including expanding the Jamarat platform from two to the current four stories to provide more room for the pilgrims.
“We have become experts in crowd management after handling enormous gatherings on the Jamarat over the years,” he said.
Al-Mahmadi said authorities have banned pilgrims from carrying baggage during the stoning because it can cause people to stumble and fall, causing panic and injuries. Police have also set up one-way routes to and from the Jamarat monitored by cameras to avoid congestion.

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hurl stones at three pillars representing Satan. ... This year, the Saudis enlarged the pillars that represent Satan to make them easier for pilgrims to hit