Mental illness

[eddy1982]

I was just wondering what everyone on this forum thought of mental illnesses and its part in life.

I suffer from a mental illness and sometimes i think I'm being punished other times i think there is more to it than that although i cant explain what. Does anyone on here have a illness.

[ormy]

Thats a bit of a personal question Eddy!

There are all sorts of different types of 'mental illness' are there not? it all depends on how you interpret it and how you label your experiences I suppose.

Life is tough enough without having to deal with your brain goin all wobbly too I should imagine.;)

[size_of_light]

I'm fortunate not to have experienced it, eddy.

I don't believe in that sort of 'punishment' thing at all, although whenever anything bad happens in life there's always the tendency to get down on yourself and feel that you somehow deserve it.

Mental illness is a complex issue and can't really be discussed as though we're talking about one single affliction here with uniform symptoms. Also a lot of people diagnosed with certain mental illnesses aren't ill at all, just different to what society currently deems to be normal (i.e. non-threatening to the status quo).

In Tibetan Buddhism I've also heard it said that the root cause of all mental illness is too much thinking and also taking your thoughts too seriously.

We all do that a lot of the time and in some cases it can cause thoughts to speed up and develop a momentum all of their own that takes us away from ourselves and the ground of our own basic being, and leads to hallucinations, irrational behaviour etc.

Meditation is very good at settling the mind and helping you to experience a sense of 'coming home' and integrating all of the different aspects of yourself back into your essential whole.

Good luck to you...I'm hope that one day soon all of your troublesome experiences will be transformed into positive ones, and that you come to see that it was all a necessary part of the learning process of your life.

[ormy]

Hey Eddy, dont know what you are into but im listening to this podcast at the minute and they are chatting about interesting stuff that is relevent to your initial post i think. Its right at the beginning about 5 minutes in. ive only just started litening to it myself so not sure where the topic will progress to..

http://the-psychonautilus.podomatic.com/entry/eg/2008-07-14T15_02_03-07_00

[rowan22]

Hi Eddy. The term "mental Illness" itself is very misleading. We have become accustomed to thinking of instances of distress or emotional breakdown/breakthrough as an abnormal state.

My own take on it is that very often what is referred to as mental Illness is a normal reaction to an abnormal situation.

We are human and as such have certain emotional and physical needs which if they are not met or are met in a distorted way can lead to chaotic ways of being.

If you are interested in a more process based view of emotions I suggest you get a hold of some Carl Rogers or Abraham Maslow stuff R.D Laing is also very good.

[anthony65]

Hi Eddy. The term "mental Illness" itself is very misleading. We have become accustomed to thinking of instances of distress or emotional breakdown/breakthrough as an abnormal state.

My own take on it is that very often what is referred to as mental Illness is a normal reaction to an abnormal situation.

We are human and as such have certain emotional and physical needs which if they are not met or are met in a distorted way can lead to chaotic ways of being.

If you are interested in a more process based view of emotions I suggest you get a hold of some Carl Rogers or Abraham Maslow stuff R.D Laing is also very good.

Excellent points!

In a mad world it is mental to be "normal"...

[rowan22]

Excellent points!

In a mad world it is mental to be "normal"...


I totally agree!

[gods sun]

there is no mental illness its a state of mind not an illness.

[xpleet]

You don't have to accept illness of any kind, instead fight them.

Mental conditions can be caused by metals in the body, vaccine shots that contain mercury in them, given at birth are known to cause authism for example. When you see the connections you can look for solutions, there are plenty ways to get heavymetals out of your body.

MMS/ionic silver/15hz Zapper are things everyone should have.

Both MMS and silver are positively charged, it means they can oxidize mercury besides killing pathogens.

But there are also herbal solutions that help the body make loose the heavy metals and flush them out.

[motleyhoo]

Mental illness is nothing more than a mass marketed name given to the condition of having a broken brain. And like most things that are broken, there is a rational explanation for the break, and a way to fix it. I would suggest reading Ultramind by Dr. Mark Hyman.

http://www.ultramind.com/

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[anthony65]

You don't have to accept illness of any kind, instead fight them.

Mental conditions can be caused by metals in the body, vaccine shots that contain mercury in them, given at birth are known to cause authism for example. When you see the connections you can look for solutions, there are plenty ways to get heavymetals out of your body.

MMS/ionic silver/15hz Zapper are things everyone should have.

Both MMS and silver are positively charged, it means they can oxidize mercury besides killing pathogens.

But there are also herbal solutions that help the body make loose the heavy metals and flush them out.

Oil pulling is something I want to create a thread about.

Just swill your mouth with sesame or sunflower oil each morning for up to 10 to 15 minutes and the oil draws out the toxins.

At the beginning it will make you gag, but that's actually a good sign. Just persevere and extend the time little by little.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Oil-Pulling-Therapy-Detoxifying-Cleansing/dp/0941599671/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244577882&sr=8-1

Product Description
If you have bad breath, bleeding gums, cavities, or tooth pain - you need this book! If you suffer from asthma, diabetes, arthritis, migraine headaches, or any chronic illness, and have not found relief, this book could have the solution for you. All disease starts in the mouth! As incredible as it may sound, most of the chronic and infectious illnesses that trouble our society today are influenced by the health of our mouths.Our mouths are a reflection of the health inside our bodies. If you have poor dental health, you are bound to have other health problems. Despite regular brushing and flossing, 98 percent of the population has some degree of gum disease or tooth decay. Most people aren't even aware they have existing dental problems. Recent research has demonstrated a direct link between oral health and chronic illness. Simply improving the health of your teeth and gums can cure many chronic problems.More brushing, flossing, and mouthwash won't do it. What will work is Oil Pulling Therapy. Oil pulling is an age-old method of oral cleansing originating from Ayurvedic medicine. It is one of the most powerful, most effective methods of detoxification and healing in natural medicine. Dr Fife's "Oil Pulling Therapy" is a revolutionary new treatment combining the wisdom of Ayurvedic medicine with modern science. The science behind oil pulling is fully documented with references to medical studies and case histories. Although incredibly powerful, Oil Pulling Therapy is completely safe and simple enough for even a child. Oil Pulling Therapy guarantees to give you fresher breath, healthier gums, whiter teeth and help protect you from many chronic health problems.

[fuzzyroes]

Its true there really is no such thing. Back when i was younger i had many tendancies that would often be considered as OCD. But then once i realized it and hit a bottom i dug deeper and wondered why i was feeling so shitty i dug even deeper and found all the solutions. Who I am today compared to 3 or 4 years ago is like day and night and its all because of tapping into my concious mind.

You see the lack of conciousness, something that David talks alot about is the main thing keeping people from having a stable mind. And theres many things you can do to help it, The healthier you eat, the more you exercize the body and mind etc all make such a substancial difference.

Maybe look into reading some self help books as sort of a gate way into a healthy mind

Best of luck to yah

[eyepod]

I was just wondering what everyone on this forum thought of mental illnesses and its part in life.

I suffer from a mental illness and sometimes i think I'm being punished other times i think there is more to it than that although i cant explain what. Does anyone on here have a illness.

I don't have mental illness but an old friend of mine has paranoid schizophrenia. They actually diagnosed it as "drug induced" since he was quite a prolific drug taker at the time - mostly cannabis, exctasy, LSD and speed. I would tend to agree with them - but there were other factors involving the early death of his mother from cancer. He has been sectioned numerous times and in and out of prison a number of times. Sadly he has graduated onto crack and heroin and is back in prison or sectioned again as far as I know as he was involved in a big drugs bust recently.

This friend believes he is actually the son of the Queen of England and that one of Queens ovaries was stolen by dark forces, enseminated by them and he is the off-spring. He got busted by the cops a few years back for a large quantity of class-A and insisted to the police that they shouldn't nick him because he was the Queen's son. Funnily enough it didn't work.

He is also convinced that he and many others have cameras implanted behind their eyes that government / military tune into to watch. According to him I have cameras behind my eyes but some other friends don't :confused:.

He is also obssesed with mobile phones and radio signals and will often want to "hang out" near a mobile phone mast or high on hills to get best reception from masts or radio stations :confused:

One thing I often find intriguing about some of the things he comes out with is that he has no knowledge of conspiracies, doesn't use the internet and does not read books or watch much TV yet some of his beliefs seem to have a definate conspiracy type slant.

When he is on medication most people wouldn't notice anything wrong with him but around people he trusts he will let the schizophrenic side come out more - without medication he can be a nightmare. Don't think I'm gonna see him for a while - he's gonna be doing a long stretch in jail this time.

I find it odd that people in this thread are saying mental illness does not exist. 30 mins with my friend would probably change your views ;)

[quetzalcoatl]

I was just wondering what everyone on this forum thought of mental illnesses and its part in life.

I suffer from a mental illness and sometimes i think I'm being punished other times i think there is more to it than that although i cant explain what. Does anyone on here have a illness.

Bummer dude.. :( & yeah, we're all ill.. especially the ones that say they're not! :D

:rolleyes:

[nofuture]

“You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy.”

Charles Manson

[gaias child]

Mental illnesses do not exist, they are just labels coined by the psychiatric profession to sell drugs.

Sure people do get periods of emotional distress in their lives and some are better able to cope than others but once you start on the programme of drugs, it is those that make people mentally ill.

anti Psychotic drugs tested on rats make the brain on autopsy look like that of a schizophrenic so it was the drugs that damaged the brain to look like a schizophrenic brain in the first place.

I once saw a documentary about a young boy's descent into schizophrenia, it started of mild ,he just had a voice telling him he would fail his exams, actually I interpreted that voice as an inner thought, he seemed quite normal to me, then he was given anti psychotics, when he forgot to take one he went mad, that was withdrawal but was interpreted as oh he is having a schizo episode as he has not taken his drugs, finally they put him in a mental hospital with lots of others when he came out, he no longer seemed normal but what one would regard as mentally ill.

My conclusion was the drugs caused it.

I had similar experience on psychiatric drugs and I am so lucky I got off them but they left me with some cognitive and systemic damage

[nofuture]

Anyone on here had experience of ECT?

[bob_jones]

Fraudulent Psychiatric Drugs
I graduated with a degree in chemical engineering form Swansea University in 1997. My first job a chemical engineer was a Nipa Laboratories in Llantwit Fardre near Pontypridd in the South Wales Valleys.
My main responsibility was to run the P2 methanol recovery Column. This was to distil a mixture of 10% methanol 90% water into a top product of 99% methanol and not more than 1% water and produce a waste product of 99% water and not more than 1% methanol that was sent to the effluent storage tank before being tanked away by Welsh Water for treatment before it could be put in the dirty water drainage system of the country.
During my job interview I was warned by the Technical Director Gareth Vokins that the site was dirty as most of the chemicals had no pharmacological tests done on them. As the months went by I came to appreciate the serious illegality of this. Garth Vokin's God son the Healthy and Safety Officer Glyn Cox told me that there were no safety trap doors around the ladders on the three story high distillation column because he had bribed the Health and Safety Executive £800 for them to pass the safety certificate to allow them to being production at the commissioning stage of the life of the distillation column. The law requires any ladder of over three meters in height to have safety trap doors at the opening at the top or safety gates so that workers can not fall to their potential death by stepping into the opening around the top of the ladders. For pulling of the job off bribing the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) he told me he was given £400 by Gareth Vokins. Glyn Cox told me how it was an on going thing to give bribes to the HSE and that the man from the HSE that inspected the column was not interested in it at all but was keen to come up to the office to pick up his cheque for £800.
One day there was a chemistry problem with the development of the process for a new product and Gareth Vokins was losing his temper as he frequently did as he had earned the nick name "The Viper".
I walked into the laboratory part of the factory and was confided in by a Scots man that worked there. He told me that he did not know why the Viper was shouting at him because he was not a chemist but a psychologist and that he was only pretending to be a chemist for cover for his real job at Nipa Laboratories.
He went on to tell me that Nipa laboratories did not make that much money from producing and selling chemicals but that he had been secretly assessed at Swansea University while doing his degree in psychology for criminal tendencies before being offered his job at Nipa. He told me that they had taken the chance that he would not mind being a criminal to earn lots of money and were right. He said that he had paid off the mortgage on a three story house in King Edwards Road in Swansea only two and a half years after graduation for doing his secret job at Nipa Laboratories.
He explained that his job was to do medical research for the institute of psychiatry in London, the professional body governing psychiatrists. He told me that I too had been secretly assessed at university for criminal attributes and that his job was to write research notes on the workers claiming that the chemicals that they were illegally being exposed to were having beneficial effects on their mental health.
He told me that he had me down as being a little bit mentally ill when I left university but having been exposed to chemicals at Nipa Laboratories I was better.
He confided that the typical profit on a psychiatric drug is 4000% and so he had to write research notes claiming that the chemicals at Nipa were having anti-psychotic effects on the workers. He admitted that he made this up entirely but said that he had to do it because that is what made the money.
He told me how the notes he made were sold as research to the institute of psychiatry in London and they would sell them on to pharmaceutical companies at a profit with the assurance that they would make sure their members the psychiatrists would all say the chemical was an anti-psychotic if they developed it onto the market as a psychiatric drug.
This was except for the reprographic printing ink. They were not making any money on the printing ink business as they could be manufactured more cheaply in the Far East and so they were keeping that one for themselves as it was being developed as an anti-psychotic medication that was going to produce an 8000% profit.
He said that at first he never thought he would get away with it but the man that did secondary research for them thought it was a really good anti-psychotic and he was getting good results by testing it on humans that were meant to be mentally ill.
This was developed, I believe, by BTP and is now on the market as an A-typical anti-psychotic called Respiradone marketed by Janssen and is sold to the NHS for £120 per injection. It causes permanent lactation in women so they have to change their bras every day and I have heard that it causes the face to tingle. It needs an extra large nozzle for injection as the particles of soot are squashed by the small hole in a normal hypodermic needle.
He told me that he could not believe that it was taken to be a cure for mental illness as he had made up the claims that it was having any beneficial effect on the mental health of the workers at Nipa Laboratories entirely.
He also told me that the biocide facility was been used for chemical weapons research by the Ministry of Defence and that if anyone ever tried to blow the whistle on it that they would be assassinated by the Ministry of Defence.
The law requires that any chemical in production has pharmacological tests done on them as they must be submitted to the Health and Safety Executive so that they can use the toxicity data etc to set an occupational exposure limit.
However none were done on the vast majority of chemicals at Nipa Laboratories so that it was not even legal to expose worker to the smell of these chemicals. As no occupational exposure limit had been set as this sets out the maximum level in the air that a worker can be exposed to for 8hrs per day six days a week and 52 weeks of the year.
The maintenance manager Roy Rixon was in charge of sacking people that became ill due to exposure to chemicals at Nipa Laboratories. He would tell them that they were complacent and that their hearts were not in the job because they had come out in a big red rash or become pale as a sheet and lacking in energy.
I was sacked by Roy Rixon for this reason on 28/01/98.
Nipa laboratories were part of BTP plc with their headquarters in Cadishead in Manchester. The share price slumped in 1999 despite the police corruption they had funded to re-butt the truth about their corrupt and illegal practices. They would regularly send out spies to community meetings about the smells coming from the factory to make sure that Friends of the Earth were not onto them for covering the local hosing and woodland with chemicals with no pharmacological tests done on them.
During February and March 2000 the share trading firm Potam managed a take-over by Swiss owned chemical giant Clarient as they are no listed on the stock exchange and so did not need a reputation for honest accounting and so on.
So now the whole of what was BTP is called Clarient Chemicals and so there is a Clarient Chemicals in Llantwit Fardre between Llantrisant and Pontypridd.
The accountant told me to stop collecting data on the P2 methanol recovery column because he was going to include more overheads to make it look more profitable.
Written by Robert Alexander Jones on 22/09/07 revised 12/12/07

[deca]

simple microwave hearing and the bastards using voice morphers/changers and subverting your thinking......the drugs damage your thinking does not stop voices .....your ears are mechanical you became more under their control

most voice hears will tell you that the voice/voices come from the ears so they can just fuck off with there unproven chemical balance theory they throw around to explain "voice" hearing....

http://www.howstuffworks.com/hearing.htm
Your ears are extraordinary organs. They pick up all the sounds around you and then translate this information into a form your brain can understand. One of the most remarkable things about this process is that it is completely mechanical. Your sense of smell, taste and vision all involve chemical reactions, but your hearing system is based solely on physical movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect
Research by NASA in the 1970s[citation needed] showed that this effect occurs as a result of thermal expansion of parts of the human ear around the cochlea, even at low power density. Later, signal modulation was found to produce sounds or words that appeared to originate intracranially.

[xpleet]

Oil pulling is something I want to create a thread about.

Just swill your mouth with sesame or sunflower oil each morning for up to 10 to 15 minutes and the oil draws out the toxins.

At the beginning it will make you gag, but that's actually a good sign. Just persevere and extend the time little by little.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Oil-Pulling-Therapy-Detoxifying-Cleansing/dp/0941599671/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244577882&sr=8-1

Product Description
If you have bad breath, bleeding gums, cavities, or tooth pain - you need this book! If you suffer from asthma, diabetes, arthritis, migraine headaches, or any chronic illness, and have not found relief, this book could have the solution for you. All disease starts in the mouth! As incredible as it may sound, most of the chronic and infectious illnesses that trouble our society today are influenced by the health of our mouths.Our mouths are a reflection of the health inside our bodies. If you have poor dental health, you are bound to have other health problems. Despite regular brushing and flossing, 98 percent of the population has some degree of gum disease or tooth decay. Most people aren't even aware they have existing dental problems. Recent research has demonstrated a direct link between oral health and chronic illness. Simply improving the health of your teeth and gums can cure many chronic problems.More brushing, flossing, and mouthwash won't do it. What will work is Oil Pulling Therapy. Oil pulling is an age-old method of oral cleansing originating from Ayurvedic medicine. It is one of the most powerful, most effective methods of detoxification and healing in natural medicine. Dr Fife's "Oil Pulling Therapy" is a revolutionary new treatment combining the wisdom of Ayurvedic medicine with modern science. The science behind oil pulling is fully documented with references to medical studies and case histories. Although incredibly powerful, Oil Pulling Therapy is completely safe and simple enough for even a child. Oil Pulling Therapy guarantees to give you fresher breath, healthier gums, whiter teeth and help protect you from many chronic health problems.

Thanks,

my mom's friend is doing it each morning, he says it pulls some weird goo out everytime.

I can imagine it's ugly but by far less ugly than taking MMS i want to suppose :rolleyes:

[mauviene]

Don't even bother reading all these long..documented posts..listen here if your fly..


A mental illness is a symptom of breaking away from the social matrix/childhood and adolescent brainwashing. Going to a state funded mental hospital is good if you want pills to sedate your energy...but ultimately the only way you fix it is if you change your environment and lifestyle in accordance with your level of awareness.

[alexc]

Mental illness is a fiction created by humanist minds. It's used to sweep away genuine religious and supernatural experiences as a "hallucination" and to describe those who truly seek God as "ill" as if we had a contagion that needs treatment.

Demonic attacks and guilt issues are common causes of what humanists call "mental illness."

The mind and the soul are one, a problem in the mind is a symptom of a problem in the soul.

[jonge]

hey,

ive sufferred from anxiety and depression since the age of 11 and im now 24. i used to be so bad that i couldnt even leave my house and was extremely shy, really scared to talk to people etc.

i went to counselling and was put on meds at the age of 15. i improved but nothing significant. then one day i was in a book shop and i saw a book by a woman called dr claire weekes called self help for your nerves. i decided to get it as i was always nervous.

as i read it it was like i was reading about myself, i finally felt understood and started to actually understand what was happenning. i was able to do things that i thought that i would never be able to do again, like talk to stranger with confidence or give talks in front of people, presentations etc, and even going to the shop. i searched the net for info about her method and discovered a site by a guy in new zealand who used to suffer and then recovered by using her method. he now has a clinic where he helps people to actually recover from anxiety and depression. here is his site www.healing-anxiety.com

anxiety is all about the nervous system and how the involuntary nervous system whi is controlled by our moods controls the functioning of our glands and organs. for eg when we feel afraid our stomach churns, heart beats fast, legs may shake etc etc

if our nervous system has to record unpleasant moods for a long time thenit become tired so small aggrievance make the nervous system over exaggerate things. ie the nervous system becomes sensitized.

if this makes sense to any suffer reading this then i recommend you check oput these sites. www.drclaireweekes.co.uk www.healing-anxiety.com

this method is a natural method and cures anxiety and depression. it is the best kept secret in the world as far as i am concerned.

regards,

John

[mauviene]

hey,

ive sufferred from anxiety and depression since the age of 11 and im now 24. i used to be so bad that i couldnt even leave my house and was extremely shy, really scared to talk to people etc.

i went to counselling and was put on meds at the age of 15. i improved but nothing significant. then one day i was in a book shop and i saw a book by a woman called dr claire weekes called self help for your nerves. i decided to get it as i was always nervous.

as i read it it was like i was reading about myself, i finally felt understood and started to actually understand what was happenning. i was able to do things that i thought that i would never be able to do again, like talk to stranger with confidence or give talks in front of people, presentations etc, and even going to the shop. i searched the net for info about her method and discovered a site by a guy in new zealand who used to suffer and then recovered by using her method. he now has a clinic where he helps people to actually recover from anxiety and depression. here is his site www.healing-anxiety.com

anxiety is all about the nervous system and how the involuntary nervous system whi is controlled by our moods controls the functioning of our glands and organs. for eg when we feel afraid our stomach churns, heart beats fast, legs may shake etc etc

if our nervous system has to record unpleasant moods for a long time thenit become tired so small aggrievance make the nervous system over exaggerate things. ie the nervous system becomes sensitized.

if this makes sense to any suffer reading this then i recommend you check oput these sites. www.drclaireweekes.co.uk www.healing-anxiety.com

this method is a natural method and cures anxiety and depression. it is the best kept secret in the world as far as i am concerned.

regards,

John

Thanks for the info John. I to suffer from depression and anxiety because of my environment and thoughts. I think its a common illness that our society created..or maybe it just happens to us internet intellectuals who don't have smart friends or parents to talk about this stuff with.

[rowan22]

Mental illness is a fiction created by humanist minds. It's used to sweep away genuine religious and supernatural experiences as a "hallucination" and to describe those who truly seek God as "ill" as if we had a contagion that needs treatment.

Demonic attacks and guilt issues are common causes of what humanists call "mental illness."

The mind and the soul are one, a problem in the mind is a symptom of a problem in the soul.


Secular Humanism is about de-mystifying a natural process not pathologising it. Humanists leave that to the medical community with its disease model of distress. Secondly most people really start to lose touch with consensus reality when others offer to explain things they themselves can neither see or feel. so bringing a symbolic entity like a "demon" into the mix doesn't help I.M.O.

The reasons why people become distressed are simple and straightforward. The behaviour may be complex but the meaning which often underlies it is usually broadly the same and shares a very similar origin.

As for the mind. Mind and body are one since no where exists a mind without a body. They are inextricably linked and I believe are most profoundly creative when they are in accord with each other.