If you have a bad past , you can change it .

[tracker]

Any one here who has had a bad past , I am telling you the truth , it can be changed somewhat .
The events do not change , but how you see it will be .
see for your self that it is true .

Before I give you this secret , David Icke said something really powerful and many of us here know its true .
"if you control the past , you can control the future".

I think that this saying is true . WHY ? ( might you ask ) because how you think/believe or see the past is how you were ( in a way ) guided to the present and there for it shapes your future .
Since this is true , I have something special for all those who have had a bad childhood past .

For instance

Ian is in his twenties .
He has been abused as a child and bullied all the way through his schooling .
No one really is particular about him and rearly invites him to parties .
Ian is always depressed , feeling bad about the way he has always been a good person and no one treats him right.
He lost an army career ,
was made homeless twice , and no one loves him .
( I think you get the general idea )

this outlook upon his life is exactly what holds him in the same routines every day which is why he gets more and more depressed as time goes bye .

One day ian looks in the mirror and suddenly experiences the paradigm shift , out of nowhere , he recognises a different truth .

Ian was so strong as a child -- he survived an abusive childhood and came out tops . His schooling was nothing less than an emotional / mental and physical survival course to which he came through and survived . Even adults would not be able to put up with this in their work place and have particular rights and protections that help them , but Ian now recognises that he had none of this luxury , he made it on his own .
His army career may have been lost , but that is not the point , he was picked , and he made the training , he passed and there is no shame in being medical discharged during an event .
He survived being homeless twice and made it with no one to support him , no friends or relatives .

After realising this truth , Ian became somewhat stronger inside and began to respect him self more .
The people around him began to chant and curse saying that he had changed for the worst .
But Ian realised another truth
They didn't like him this time for a good reason


That reason was

that he didn't take any more crap and left those folks behind because they were not worth it in the 1st place .

Now Ians outlook is different on his past , his present has changed , and now he can do things he never thought he could , all because

he realised that the passed can be changed .

the events cannot , but how he looked upon it can , because we shape our reality with our minds

and if we can control the past -------we can control our future .

hope this helps some of you out there .

you are not alone because it is not a bad past --------it is only a past , how you see it is what shapes it .

:cool:

[size_of_light]

Thanks tracker. A great reminder of the limitless healing potential within us all.

[cafetimes1991]

That is an excellent post, tracker. :cool:

[tracker]

Thanks tracker. A great reminder of the limitless healing potential within us all.

I am amazed and also feel complimented size-of-light .
I know that you may sometimes agree with the odd thing I say here and there , but when it comes to the healing thing , I suppose I have never been to hot on that . since I know that you are well on the ball concerning issues like this , I now prenounce my self feeling a lot better and sure of my self because of this post .

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee .:)

[tracker]

That is an excellent post, tracker. :cool:

Yeah , I dont do many good threads but I do know that some of them do take alternate angles on things .

thanks for this repply cafetimes1991.

:)

[kiwimaj]

What a fantastic post tracker...sort of thing positive people love to see, or people that are looking to improve things.

I too am a great believer in if you change your thoughts on things, afterall everything is only how someone perceives it, and the power of no longer being the victim, you have the power to alter/change direction and to control of your life...is one of the most staggering and transforming things someone can learn.

Its all about perception and not believing your negative thoughts...thoughts are not the problem, it's your belief or emotional attachment, to those thoughts...

Byron Katie is a good one for all of this...

Thanx again tracker...;)

[kurupted_flesh]

The Past/Future are illusions I do not abide by, so this doesn't apply to me.


- Flesh.

[hellosatellites]

Way to go Tracker - very inspiring :)

[tracker]

What a fantastic post tracker...sort of thing positive people love to see, or people that are looking to improve things.

I too am a great believer in if you change your thoughts on things, afterall everything is only how someone perceives it, and the power of no longer being the victim, you have the power to alter/change direction and to control of your life...is one of the most staggering and transforming things someone can learn.

Its all about perception and not believing your negative thoughts...thoughts are not the problem, it's your belief or emotional attachment, to those thoughts...

Byron Katie is a good one for all of this...

Thanx again tracker...;)

thankyou for that repply .
This type of thinking ( that I have shown here ) is what I strongly believe to be the key to what I call reality junctions .
we cannot change a particular reality , but we dont have to be there .
they say
"that there are many realities , in each reality is an alternate me or you playing out the things we did not do .
Whilst I can relate to this type of concept , I think that these alternate us's are only gohsts , IE they exist as a hole in the reality matrix to which we can enter , and force the gohst to exist in the reality we leave behind .
so in a way , the alternate other us's are real , all we have to do , is to allow them to exist , be becoming that person our self through different thinking . which is logical really because the alternate us's will obviously think slightly differently to our self , and funny enough , the strongest and hardest thing to fight or change when we want to improve our lives is indeed our self .

:cool:

[tracker]

Way to go Tracker - very inspiring :)

thanks for that , I have also written in a post above this one , and relates to a different aspectof the same thing , give it a read , its worth a read at least , its above this post .
:cool:

[brainfreeze]

Brilliant post Tracker. Funny, I seem to have done what you recommend instinctively. For years I've had comments such as "I expected you to be a product of society when I heard about your childhood, but you're not. How do you do it?"

It's only recently that I was able to let go the injustice of it which was holding me back - the police finally got in touch, they've got him - which has chased away all the demons of the past, finally. It wasn't me, it was him, he was wrong when he said they wouldn't believe us.

I have learned to like me, which took a long time, the bad one wasn't me, it wasn't my shame. I was the strong one who survived his sickness. I'm no longer chained to the past.

I feel if I don't give back to society all my past pain is a futile waste. I have a lot to offer back working with children still living the nightmare I escaped from.

The only dross I have from the past is that at times I can be a little defensive, which I'm working on. :)

Thanks again Tracker, makes sense to me.

[tracker]

Brilliant post Tracker. Funny, I seem to have done what you recommend instinctively. For years I've had comments such as "I expected you to be a product of society when I heard about your childhood, but you're not. How do you do it?"

It's only recently that I was able to let go the injustice of it which was holding me back - the police finally got in touch, they've got him - which has chased away all the demons of the past, finally. It wasn't me, it was him, he was wrong when he said they wouldn't believe us.

I have learned to like me, which took a long time, the bad one wasn't me, it wasn't my shame. I was the strong one who survived his sickness. I'm no longer chained to the past.

I feel if I don't give back to society all my past pain is a futile waste. I have a lot to offer back working with children still living the nightmare I escaped from.

The only dross I have from the past is that at times I can be a little defensive, which I'm working on. :)

Thanks again Tracker, makes sense to me.


Thankyou brainfreeze .

Well I had to show this because so many people can be bogged down with whats in front of them which also includes memories and the senses and can hold us in routines .

The key really is how we look upon it . I too broke the chains of being bullied and abused / teased and treated cruel , the story may have been about Ian , but then it could have been about any one ( no names :rolleyes:) because it is true , we can control our own past by the way inwhich we percieve it .

sometimes it brings on a whole new outlook on things thus shaping the present and then the future .

It seems that you have realised that not only are you a survivor , but a winner and a strong analytic person .

the good thing that we can recover from things like a bad past is not only different angles which give us new looks on things etc , but they can also give us experience for later in life .

I mean ------------imagine all those women out there that have been treated so badly . Just how much information do they have ?---shite loads !
because later i life , they would be able to recognise small traits in other people that only they can see and others tend to miss because of their experiences .

it can be used to give them an edge , and there for , notice small tell tail signs when other people just wouldnt notice them at all .
it can be usefull for also bringing up children because those women who have gone through so much crap can identify bad friends etc of their children and advise accordingly .

therapy isnt always neccessary , although it doesnt hurt if one thinks one needs it .

I do have more to say on this matter but for now will prep for my course tonight .
when its time to get the head down , then I do it 100% , and when later its time to return , I shall do so with 100% for the forum .

thankyou brainfreeze catch ya later aligator .

:)

[brainfreeze]

Thankyou brainfreeze .

Well I had to show this because so many people can be bogged down with whats in front of them which also includes memories and the senses and can hold us in routines .

The key really is how we look upon it . I too broke the chains of being bullied and abused / teased and treated cruel , the story may have been about Ian , but then it could have been about any one ( no names :rolleyes:) because it is true , we can control our own past by the way inwhich we percieve it .

sometimes it brings on a whole new outlook on things thus shaping the present and then the future .

It seems that you have realised that not only are you a survivor , but a winner and a strong analytic person .

the good thing that we can recover from things like a bad past is not only different angles which give us new looks on things etc , but they can also give us experience for later in life .

I mean ------------imagine all those women out there that have been treated so badly . Just how much information do they have ?---shite loads !
because later i life , they would be able to recognise small traits in other people that only they can see and others tend to miss because of their experiences .

it can be used to give them an edge , and there for , notice small tell tail signs when other people just wouldnt notice them at all .
it can be usefull for also bringing up children because those women who have gone through so much crap can identify bad friends etc of their children and advise accordingly .

therapy isnt always neccessary , although it doesnt hurt if one thinks one needs it .

I do have more to say on this matter but for now will prep for my course tonight .
when its time to get the head down , then I do it 100% , and when later its time to return , I shall do so with 100% for the forum .

thankyou brainfreeze catch ya later aligator .

:)

Absolutely. I got a bad feeling about a helper at the Sunday School a mate of mines kids use to attend. He'd arrange to join us as a group at the beach and I got bad vibes off him when he was around my mates son. I mentioned it. She was so angry with me the day ended badly. A few months later the bloke was arrested for interfering with children in the church group.

It's a kind of esp we get.

Speaking of which, I need to log out and get some positive vibes going. Those reptilian/demon/beasts come in all sorts of guises ya know.

[tracker]

Absolutely. I got a bad feeling about a helper at the Sunday School a mate of mines kids use to attend. He'd arrange to join us as a group at the beach and I got bad vibes off him when he was around my mates son. I mentioned it. She was so angry with me the day ended badly. A few months later the bloke was arrested for interfering with children in the church group.

It's a kind of esp we get.

Speaking of which, I need to log out and get some positive vibes going. Those reptilian/demon/beasts come in all sorts of guises ya know.

yeah I have heard this sort of thing before .
A friend of mine had topick his kids up from sunday-school soI went with him .
A particular guy there gave me bad vibes and also gave my mate the eeby jeebies so he aproached his mother who had been going there fore some while and knew the bloke .
After a long winded conversation , it came out that the bloke had been bad before and was convicted of child stuff .
He hit the roof and I quickly took his children to his car .

I couldnt believe that his own mother would insist on bringing his children to a place where a convvicted child pervy went to .
she kept justifying that "he had changed by the hand of God" etc etc .
I even had to tellher she was a danger to her own grandchildren and was a danger to allchuildren her self for being so blatently ignorant and naive . My mate nearly slapped her .( personally mother or no mother he should have slapped her ).

He stopped them going for ever . He no longer trusts his own mother to take care of his kids in any manner and just to top it up

like your story

the man was found guilty again a few weeks later for doing the same thing yet again .

yep , going through some bad experiences can give us experience and a forsight into other peoples intentions .

sounds as though we have closer circles than we realise brainfreeze orit could be ---- just a coincidence , but the two stories are so similar .
maybe its because schools and churches along with other child activity centers , are the best places for these fkers to hide using the descuise as being good people .

brainfreeze ---------- people like our selves ( you and I and others who have gone through long bad experiences ) are not easily fooled by masks and can spot a fake a mile away .

it is the truth .

amen !

off to college now until 9.30pm

:cool:

[unusual_suspect]

Absolutely. I got a bad feeling about a helper at the Sunday School a mate of mines kids use to attend. He'd arrange to join us as a group at the beach and I got bad vibes off him when he was around my mates son. I mentioned it. She was so angry with me the day ended badly. A few months later the bloke was arrested for interfering with children in the church group.

It's a kind of esp we get.

Speaking of which, I need to log out and get some positive vibes going. Those reptilian/demon/beasts come in all sorts of guises ya know.

That is so weird, I can remember being very young like 3 - 4 years old and just knowing to stay away from certain grownups because they were wronguns, it was almost like I could hear their thoughts. Actually, hearing peoples thoughts seemed to happen a lot at that age! I was never abused, but I still take a dislike to some folks in this way. I put it down to womens intuition.

Great post tracker, and it's funny how you mention the paradigm shift, I went through such a thing about 3 years ago, and when you mentioned about people not liking the new stronger you I had to chuckle to myself.

I agree, I think it does change and when you survive very hard times and feel like you can no longer go on, a sense of peace and protection comes over you and you can find your inner strength. Mystics have long refered to this as "the dark night of the soul" or "the obscure night" and are encouraged to welcome it as to pass through it successfully is a one of the most important life experiences we are given.

Thanks, quality post mate ;)

[tracker]

That is so weird, I can remember being very young like 3 - 4 years old and just knowing to stay away from certain grownups because they were wronguns, it was almost like I could hear their thoughts. Actually, hearing peoples thoughts seemed to happen a lot at that age! I was never abused, but I still take a dislike to some folks in this way. I put it down to womens intuition.

Great post tracker, and it's funny how you mention the paradigm shift, I went through such a thing about 3 years ago, and when you mentioned about people not liking the new stronger you I had to chuckle to myself.

I agree, I think it does change and when you survive very hard times and feel like you can no longer go on, a sense of peace and protection comes over you and you can find your inner strength. Mystics have long refered to this as "the dark night of the soul" or "the obscure night" and are encouraged to welcome it as to pass through it successfully is a one of the most important life experiences we are given.

Thanks, quality post mate ;)

lol yeah that stronger me bit and folks not liking it .

I can just hear them now

Yeah tracker was a good old boy
he always did things for nothing
never expected anything in return
always gave with out checking the quantity
was always dedicated to helping people
never took the micky
he was easily manipulated / any one could take the mick out of him and he wouldnt blink an eye .
he was soft and insecure and always depressed .
I LIKED HIM BACK THEN .

Now he is all him , full of him self , selfish / unthoughtful / doesnt really want to talk to other people .
cut him self off .


( tracker thinks )
yeah because they take the piss , why should I keep forgiving and forgetting ? and NO -- I dont want to really talk to THEM , and I only make my self too busy to see them -----------pmsl !

you see , some people think I have changed , well actually I havent changed I am the same person / same morrals/ same charactor integrity .
It is there idea of what they thought I was that has changed , not me .

the truth of the matter is this .

dont try and change peoples opinion , it just wont work .
dont try to make people like you by doing countless favours because it wont work .

change your perception !
it will then change how you see things and there for how you react to them .
changing your perception changes your reality , and because every persons reality is connected , it will then slowly make its way through the thick soup we call reality , and slowly change the set up in and around other peoples reality .
because people usually only react to the reality in front of them , eventually those around you will adapt and will in the end have to accept what they think is the new you , however .
it isnt a new you , just a new reality .

its the truth behind even changing how strangers treat us at times , by changing ones own reality .

:cool:

[kiwimaj]

lol yeah that stronger me bit and folks not liking it .

I can just hear them now

Yeah tracker was a good old boy
he always did things for nothing
never expected anything in return
always gave with out checking the quantity
was always dedicated to helping people
never took the micky
he was easily manipulated / any one could take the mick out of him and he wouldnt blink an eye .
he was soft and insecure and always depressed .
I LIKED HIM BACK THEN .

Now he is all him , full of him self , selfish / unthoughtful / doesnt really want to talk to other people .
cut him self off .


( tracker thinks )
yeah because they take the piss , why should I keep forgiving and forgetting ? and NO -- I dont want to really talk to THEM , and I only make my self too busy to see them -----------pmsl !

you see , some people think I have changed , well actually I havent changed I am the same person / same morrals/ same charactor integrity .
It is there idea of what they thought I was that has changed , not me .

the truth of the matter is this .

dont try and change peoples opinion , it just wont work .
dont try to make people like you by doing countless favours because it wont work .

change your perception !
it will then change how you see things and there for how you react to them .
changing your perception changes your reality , and because every persons reality is connected , it will then slowly make its way through the thick soup we call reality , and slowly change the set up in and around other peoples reality .
because people usually only react to the reality in front of them , eventually those around you will adapt and will in the end have to accept what they think is the new you , however .
it isnt a new you , just a new reality .

its the truth behind even changing how strangers treat us at times , by changing ones own reality .

:cool:


Another great post there tracker....I LOVE it when people talk of thing that are actually worth reading, can help EVERYONE improve their reality AND help empower themselves, by getting themselves out of victim mentality..:)

A question, which actually relates to this post, what if virtually all of your friends and family have deserted you over the past few years, each one of them not really knowing the other person, but each played a different part in your life...all...gone ! I have had this happen to me, only a very few left now in my life, even my oldest friend of nearly 40 years has turned a bit odd and I sense our friendship is virtually ended. I have notice this happen, in dribs and drabs, over the past 5 years. It was really really BUGGING me..you go over and over in your mind.."what is WRONG with me, why have they all gone??"..you really begin to feel horrible, worthless and like some sort of lepper. Is it a case do you think of vibrational changes, within me and those people, that we can no longer be connected?...what is your take on this?

I am sure a few on here will empathise here. Now, I feel OK, not as bad as I use to feel, mainly because I realise I choose how to think about this and other issues. Would be interested in your thoughts..

Cheez tracker...:)

[tracker]

Another great post there tracker....I LOVE it when people talk of thing that are actually worth reading, can help EVERYONE improve their reality AND help empower themselves, by getting themselves out of victim mentality..:)

A question, which actually relates to this post, what if virtually all of your friends and family have deserted you over the past few years, each one of them not really knowing the other person, but each played a different part in your life...all...gone ! I have had this happen to me, only a very few left now in my life, even my oldest friend of nearly 40 years has turned a bit odd and I sense our friendship is virtually ended. I have notice this happen, in dribs and drabs, over the past 5 years. It was really really BUGGING me..you go over and over in your mind.."what is WRONG with me, why have they all gone??"..you really begin to feel horrible, worthless and like some sort of lepper. Is it a case do you think of vibrational changes, within me and those people, that we can no longer be connected?...what is your take on this?

I am sure a few on here will empathise here. Now, I feel OK, not as bad as I use to feel, mainly because I realise I choose how to think about this and other issues. Would be interested in your thoughts..

Cheez tracker...:)

please please read the threads that i will post benieth this one .
they are so relevent to your questions .

please .

:cool:

[tracker]

please please read the threads that i will post benieth this one .
they are so relevent to your questions .

please .

:cool:

here we are .

why is it always you ? or atleast hwy it might be .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47889

how our own philosophies hold us back , its a bit long but also worth the read .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46569


philosophies that can make us fail in things .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46436


how our own philosophies can hold us back .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46414

:cool:

come back to me on this if you can .

[kiwimaj]

here we are .

why is it always you ? or atleast hwy it might be .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47889

how our own philosophies hold us back , its a bit long but also worth the read .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46569


philosophies that can make us fail in things .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46436


how our own philosophies can hold us back .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46414

:cool:

come back to me on this if you can .

Big thanx for taking the time to post these ! I will click 'n read..and will get back to you.

Cheerz again tracker...

:)

[lostworld]

Another great post there tracker....I LOVE it when people talk of thing that are actually worth reading, can help EVERYONE improve their reality AND help empower themselves, by getting themselves out of victim mentality..:)

A question, which actually relates to this post, what if virtually all of your friends and family have deserted you over the past few years, each one of them not really knowing the other person, but each played a different part in your life...all...gone ! I have had this happen to me, only a very few left now in my life, even my oldest friend of nearly 40 years has turned a bit odd and I sense our friendship is virtually ended. I have notice this happen, in dribs and drabs, over the past 5 years. It was really really BUGGING me..you go over and over in your mind.."what is WRONG with me, why have they all gone??"..you really begin to feel horrible, worthless and like some sort of lepper. Is it a case do you think of vibrational changes, within me and those people, that we can no longer be connected?...what is your take on this?

I am sure a few on here will empathise here. Now, I feel OK, not as bad as I use to feel, mainly because I realise I choose how to think about this and other issues. Would be interested in your thoughts..

Cheez tracker...:)

I'm so sorry Kiwimaj, I had no idea...
Oh btw, I'm not stalkning you I swear, this thread just caught my eye for some reason... Interesting topic.

I rather have a few close friends than plently of people around me but along with my awakening I feel more and more distant to everybody. Even people that are more like me, I don't talk to so much anymore...

One girlfriend of mine, who I thought of as the sister I never had, has disappointed med big time. Due to things in the past, when I was not as awake as I am now, she withdraw from me. We kept contact per email though. I have begged and explained how much she means to me in order for us to at least have contact by the phone again, but nothing gets through to her. And even though everything around me, that previously affected the situation, incl. my ex, is gone - she still can't give me another chance. She's fine with email but not phone. And since this is too frustrating for me we're going nowhere. Now I've finally told her that I can't take this non-communication anymore...

Are your friends like you? Otherwise I think your awakening plays a big role in why this is happening... I don't mean that it's all ok just because. Even though we're strong we can feel lonely too...

Take care dear, :)
BIG HUG
Lost

[tracker]

I'm so sorry Kiwimaj, I had no idea...
Oh btw, I'm not stalkning you I swear, this thread just caught my eye for some reason... Interesting topic.

I rather have a few close friends than plently of people around me but along with my awakening I feel more and more distant to everybody. Even people that are more like me, I don't talk to so much anymore...

One girlfriend of mine, who I thought of as the sister I never had, has disappointed med big time. Due to things in the past, when I was not as awake as I am now, she withdraw from me. We kept contact per email though. I have begged and explained how much she means to me in order for us to at least have contact by the phone again, but nothing gets through to her. And even though everything around me, that previously affected the situation, incl. my ex, is gone - she still can't give me another chance. She's fine with email but not phone. And since this is too frustrating for me we're going nowhere. Now I've finally told her that I can't take this non-communication anymore...

Are your friends like you? Otherwise I think your awakening plays a big role in why this is happening... I don't mean that it's all ok just because. Even though we're strong we can feel lonely too...

Take care dear, :)
BIG HUG
Lost


you seemed to have hit the nail on the head lost'.

People generally do tend to distance them self away from those who wake up .
my look on this is so;

Its not because we are mentally Ill , because I have noticed that people who are waking up generally begin to stand up and say "NO" or "that isnt right" or even "what the f~## are you doing ?".

people generally ( and it is a generalisation here ) tend to be afraid at taking responsability for their actions which is why they dont mind saying things like .

Its not me its my job
its the law
its the system
I cant do anything about it
some one has to do it
I have to do it or my bills will not be paid .

These are all poor copout excuses for people who are attempting to place blame on an exterior enterty . this makes their feeble minds believe that they are justified to do such things because the responsability is nothing to do with them .
this is the herd mentality !

herds also try .
well atleast if you fail youve tried . a double failure comment before the other person has even attempted the task .

you can only try .
which means you will fail because you can only try , and they did fail but they did try ----------see what I am saying ?

money wont make you happy .
no it wont but they are the 1st person to smile if they found £100 .

money isnt everything .
which is why they spend as much time as possible doing over time and "trying" to save .



you see lost', the masses are mind controlled to totally trash each others lives and to be none independant and totally dependant on the system .

once you move away from the herd mentality , you will stick out like a red london bus on the moon .

eventually , dissapating friendships is inevitable because herds are designed to have safety in numbers . herds means the many who have in common .

herds are not designed around individuals otherwise there would be no herd .

thus , sometimes , long spells of lonelyness will be the case .

this is in a sense an expelling you excorsize . its a punishment banishment tactic that those them self dont even realise that they do to us .

it will get better , after what I call the long walk .

atleast lost', you can know , that unlike others who have the chat , and can talk the talk , you have walked the walk , and there is a big difference in the 2 .

I am sure there is meaning in everything , and I have no regrets to facing the long dark lonelyness that I did a long time ago , it has made me the person I am today , and it is so easy to spot how many others around me are so easily lead.

and the ironic thing is this .

they are so powerfully lead and mind controlled , that they dont even realise it , dont know how easily it is achieved , and are so reliant on the system that rules them , that they are unable togather the strength to admit it .

anyway lost', thanks for posting on this thread .

sometimes I do make some good topics and ironicly they are ignored , but look at my other thread called "how many men shave-----there ? and the numbers on that thread are 3 times larger than this one and this thread could help so many people .

life it seems , is strange indeed .

:cool:



here are some thread lost;
the 1st one is about something I call compensation programs in the matrix . it shows why , when we expand our minds , other people around us treat us funny . it is an attempt by the matrix to create a compensation program . you expand your mind , so the matrix makes you feel imprisoned and it uses other people to do this . you open your mind , so people are then influenced to kmake you feel closed off . simple really but have a read , it is long winded but if you get through it I am sure you will see the idea .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47889

how our own philosophies hold us back , its a bit long but also worth the read .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46569


philosophies that can make us fail in things .it runs on the idea that we hold certian sayings in our mind and that those sayings are like backward programs that keep us in a ruck . It might not apply to you but it can open some unseen doors .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46436


how our own philosophies can hold us back .another thread like that .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46414



yeah they are long but a good read so I have been told .

its the other side of me .what I can achieve at times .

[tracker]

bump.


:cool:

[lostinstrangeworld]

Some good thoughts there, tracker.

I am learning how what we focus on shapes our whole experience of this reality.

[lostinstrangeworld]

I haven't read your first post properly but it does remind me, there is this new book out by Dave Pelzer called "Moving Forward"....he wrote a (very) disturbing though very moving story of his childhood called "a child called it" as well as books to follow which told just how he made it in the world, triumphing over everything. I have so much admiration for this guy, I would really like to read this latest book of his when I get the time.

[tracker]

Some good thoughts there, tracker.

I am learning how what we focus on shapes our whole experience of this reality.


well thankyou lostinstrangeworld .

criky ?

lostworld & lostinstrangeworld .

:eek:

yeah well thats what my other threads here also say in the long run .
have you read the opening page number 1 of this thread ?
it says exactly that and in a way proves it .

it basicly says that we can change our past to change the future . we cant change the events but the way inwhich we look upon our past makes us what we are in the present .this then shapes the future .

as David icke says
if you control the past --- you can control the future .


so i say
if you control how you look upon your past , it will change the future , same principles .
:cool:

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.vincentchow.net/images/cat-lion.jpg

:D

[tracker]

I haven't read your first post properly but it does remind me, there is this new book out by Dave Pelzer called "Moving Forward"....he wrote a (very) disturbing though very moving story of his childhood called "a child called it" as well as books to follow which told just how he made it in the world, triumphing over everything. I have so much admiration for this guy, I would really like to read this latest book of his when I get the time.


sounds similar to my unpublished book .
I am working on it slowly , but the same principles are applied .
what I am writing about is a bad past and also the triumph with advice on what pit falls to avoid etc .

probably nearly the same thing . sounds similar anyway .

yeah well i will look it up , thanks for that one .


:cool:

[tracker]

http://www.vincentchow.net/images/cat-lion.jpg

:D


exactly !

and the truth will set you freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee .:D

[lostinstrangeworld]

it basicly says that we can change our past to change the future . we cant change the events but the way inwhich we look upon our past makes us what we are in the present .this then shapes the future .


Yes, Nassim Haramein was talking about that in his lecture at the Rogue Valley Library of Metaphysics, on google!

He mentioned researchers that have proved the extraordinary healing power of this, and said that in a way you are going back in time to change it, at least the effects of it.


The way I look at things....as I wrote several years ago when feeling inspired:

There is no evil except ignorance itself; a desensitization; an amnesia- of our true nature- unity with all of life.

[tracker]

Yes, Nassim Haramein was talking about that in his lecture at the Rogue Valley Library of Metaphysics, on google!

He mentioned researchers that have proved the extraordinary healing power of this, and said that in a way you are going back in time to change it, at least the effects of it.


The way I look at things....as I wrote several years ago when feeling inspired:

There is no evil except ignorance itself; a desensitization; an amnesia- of our true nature- unity with all of life.


yeah time travel .
because time is liniar according to our senses and or sight , thus if we change our view , the angle of sight is changed .

thus , since reality is shaped by our thoughts , we there for change reality , its a way of creating what I call reality junctions .

wow lostinstrangeworld , there is so much i think you would relate to on this thread .

:cool:

the 1st 2 pages are the best but they are all relevent to this idea .:cool:

[lostworld]

you seemed to have hit the nail on the head lost'.

People generally do tend to distance them self away from those who wake up .
my look on this is so;

Its not because we are mentally Ill , because I have noticed that people who are waking up generally begin to stand up and say "NO" or "that isnt right" or even "what the f~## are you doing ?".

people generally ( and it is a generalisation here ) tend to be afraid at taking responsability for their actions which is why they dont mind saying things like .

Its not me its my job
its the law
its the system
I cant do anything about it
some one has to do it
I have to do it or my bills will not be paid .

These are all poor copout excuses for people who are attempting to place blame on an exterior enterty . this makes their feeble minds believe that they are justified to do such things because the responsability is nothing to do with them .
this is the herd mentality !

herds also try .
well atleast if you fail youve tried . a double failure comment before the other person has even attempted the task .

you can only try .
which means you will fail because you can only try , and they did fail but they did try ----------see what I am saying ?

money wont make you happy .
no it wont but they are the 1st person to smile if they found £100 .

money isnt everything .
which is why they spend as much time as possible doing over time and "trying" to save .



you see lost', the masses are mind controlled to totally trash each others lives and to be none independant and totally dependant on the system .

once you move away from the herd mentality , you will stick out like a red london bus on the moon .

eventually , dissapating friendships is inevitable because herds are designed to have safety in numbers . herds means the many who have in common .

herds are not designed around individuals otherwise there would be no herd .

thus , sometimes , long spells of lonelyness will be the case .

this is in a sense an expelling you excorsize . its a punishment banishment tactic that those them self dont even realise that they do to us .

it will get better , after what I call the long walk .

atleast lost', you can know , that unlike others who have the chat , and can talk the talk , you have walked the walk , and there is a big difference in the 2 .

I am sure there is meaning in everything , and I have no regrets to facing the long dark lonelyness that I did a long time ago , it has made me the person I am today , and it is so easy to spot how many others around me are so easily lead.

and the ironic thing is this .

they are so powerfully lead and mind controlled , that they dont even realise it , dont know how easily it is achieved , and are so reliant on the system that rules them , that they are unable togather the strength to admit it .

anyway lost', thanks for posting on this thread .

sometimes I do make some good topics and ironicly they are ignored , but look at my other thread called "how many men shave-----there ? and the numbers on that thread are 3 times larger than this one and this thread could help so many people .

life it seems , is strange indeed .

:cool:



here are some thread lost;
the 1st one is about something I call compensation programs in the matrix . it shows why , when we expand our minds , other people around us treat us funny . it is an attempt by the matrix to create a compensation program . you expand your mind , so the matrix makes you feel imprisoned and it uses other people to do this . you open your mind , so people are then influenced to kmake you feel closed off . simple really but have a read , it is long winded but if you get through it I am sure you will see the idea .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47889

how our own philosophies hold us back , its a bit long but also worth the read .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46569


philosophies that can make us fail in things .it runs on the idea that we hold certian sayings in our mind and that those sayings are like backward programs that keep us in a ruck . It might not apply to you but it can open some unseen doors .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46436


how our own philosophies can hold us back .another thread like that .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46414



yeah they are long but a good read so I have been told .

its the other side of me .what I can achieve at times .

Hi Tracker and thank you so much for your wise answer :)

I really appreciate it.

I have always been different and gone my own way, questioned authorities etc, ever since I was a child...
That's why I know it has some meaning, that we are wired differently, immune to the programming, "starchildren", "Lightwarriors" or whatever we should call it.

Looking back a couple of years, it feels like I was a different person, not myself. Awakening makes everything so clear and it makes you strong, at the same time I know our kind is very sensitive too.
I've always been a loner, and I really need my freedom and solitude. But of course we sometimes need support of people we can trust...
It's hard to be different but I wouldn't wanna have it any other way :)
I can't think of anything worse than being a sheeple in the crowd, although they probably are more happy in their own little world. Not real happiness IMO though...

Great thread and thanks again!
Will def check out those links you gave me.

Take care, :)
Lost

[exhausted]

tracker some of the things in your post are so similar to mine. bless you

[kiwimaj]

I'm so sorry Kiwimaj, I had no idea...
Oh btw, I'm not stalkning you I swear, this thread just caught my eye for some reason... Interesting topic.

I rather have a few close friends than plently of people around me but along with my awakening I feel more and more distant to everybody. Even people that are more like me, I don't talk to so much anymore...

One girlfriend of mine, who I thought of as the sister I never had, has disappointed med big time. Due to things in the past, when I was not as awake as I am now, she withdraw from me. We kept contact per email though. I have begged and explained how much she means to me in order for us to at least have contact by the phone again, but nothing gets through to her. And even though everything around me, that previously affected the situation, incl. my ex, is gone - she still can't give me another chance. She's fine with email but not phone. And since this is too frustrating for me we're going nowhere. Now I've finally told her that I can't take this non-communication anymore...

I can completely empathise here Lost...sometimes no matter how you look at things from a mind perspective, sometimes we still simply hurt for the people that leave us..We also do like to know where we stand with those friendships...

Are your friends like you? Otherwise I think your awakening plays a big role in why this is happening... I don't mean that it's all ok just because. Even though we're strong we can feel lonely too...

One particular friend, thinking about it, started to turn odd towards me when I started to really question the world...I started talking about 9/11 being an inside job..well, you should have seen the reaction from her...she was nothing short of disgusted with me for suggesting such a thing..she said something about no way that could happen, American is run by the church and the church would not allow it...or some such explanation...I will never forget the way she reacted to me..needless to say, she dissappeared.

Take care dear, :)
BIG HUG
Lost


Hi Lost

Isn't this thread great ?!! tracker sure hits lots of nails on heads for the peeps on here...:)

Hey, no need to feel bad, I am much better now with stuff, but thank you so much for your concern. I wanted to post my story because I am sure there are a few on here who will empathise and hopefully tracker, yours and other's replies may help. It sure does seem to be a common occurance, as we progress up the ladder, consciousness wise, we seem to lose a few people along the way. It really is all about how you perceive things..instead of wallowing in self pity and keeping that energy about me, I can look at it as.."well those people were in my life for a reason, now they no longer need to be.." I am in a far different place now than I was those years ago anyway.

I am not sad those others have gone, strangely enough alot of the loss of contact coincided with me giving up using a mobile..even though we all had each others email, obviously people still have this obsession with keeping in 'distant' contact with a mobile phone.

I can pin point certain things that have happened that could explain why some of them left, but not all, which I found odd. I think alot of those friends were into the same things/interests as me, at the time, but I am no longer really into..I def feel one's energy changes and when you are on one level with someone and that level alters, you simply are not "compatible" vibrationally with them anymore. I often refer the term "weeding", our higher selves are weeding out those that no longer serve our purpose, our higher good? To make way for those that do ! :D

If OK, can I PM you at some point, go into a bit more detail?

Thanx again Lost, u are a darlin, big hugs as well :)

:)

[kiwimaj]

Hi Tracker and thank you so much for your wise answer :)

I really appreciate it.

I have always been different and gone my own way, questioned authorities etc, ever since I was a child...
That's why I know it has some meaning, that we are wired differently, immune to the programming, "starchildren", "Lightwarriors" or whatever we should call it.

Looking back a couple of years, it feels like I was a different person, not myself. Awakening makes everything so clear and it makes you strong, at the same time I know our kind is very sensitive too.
I've always been a loner, and I really need my freedom and solitude. But of course we sometimes need support of people we can trust...

It's hard to be different but I wouldn't wanna have it any other way :)

You go girl ! :D

I can't think of anything worse than being a sheeple in the crowd, although they probably are more happy in their own little world. Not real happiness IMO though...

Great thread and thanks again!
Will def check out those links you gave me.

Take care, :)
Lost


Crikey...that could have been me that replied !! :eek:..Wow, big similarities there Lost...so glad we met on here..what a great place to meet some really good people.. Amazing you should mentions starchildren, I had a dream once, where I was in this really old library/bookstore and I was lead to a book entitled.."starchild"..and I sensed the Universe was telling me something about myself..This was quite a few years back and I didn't know much about the meaning...wow, amazing you should mention that ! :D

:)

[kiwimaj]

Thanx tracker for those links, I will get back to you with a more detailed response to your postings shortly.

Thanx again for a WONDERFUL thread ! SO uplifting and does your soul a world of good..

Thank you again
:)

[netta]

how you see it is what shapes it .

Yes sir. Thank you for this post. I completely agree.

And I can relate to the example story that you gave. All of my problems kept making me feel alone and even worse, but then I just reached a point where I stopped and realized that everything that I have been through has made me a better person. And then I had a chance to become proud of myself and love and appreciate myself.

If other people really care about you then they will be there for you and encourage and support you. If not then you don't have to take their crap. There is also no need to try and impress someone too much because if they like you for real then you won't have to try that hard.

Even though I believe that life is all about relationships, if you don't have a chance to have many close ones or not any at all, always remember that even though it's hard, you are a stronger person for it, and even if you feel bad, still always try to spread the love back into the world, because eventually it may come back to you.

The real hard part about being alone is trying not to get bitter and selfish. If you can manage that then you are King.

[nectars]

Nice thread tracker. If done correctly this goes very deep.

The secret to it? Change you feelings about the past event your holding in mind to one of unconditional love. This removes all posibility of it re-enacting in your present and hence percieved future.

Again, nice thread dude :p

[tracker]

The responses I have got here have really made my week / month truly .
It has humbled me to know that some are reading these threads .
I was slowly beginning to loose faith in my own mind at times and you have all helped show me that persistance pays , thankyou all .
I shall repply to all respondants as soon as I can , Need a smoke now , but will respond ASAP .
Thank you all so much .

:)

[tracker]

Hi Tracker and thank you so much for your wise answer :)

I really appreciate it.

I have always been different and gone my own way, questioned authorities etc, ever since I was a child...
That's why I know it has some meaning, that we are wired differently, immune to the programming, "starchildren", "Lightwarriors" or whatever we should call it.

Looking back a couple of years, it feels like I was a different person, not myself. Awakening makes everything so clear and it makes you strong, at the same time I know our kind is very sensitive too.
I've always been a loner, and I really need my freedom and solitude. But of course we sometimes need support of people we can trust...
It's hard to be different but I wouldn't wanna have it any other way :)
I can't think of anything worse than being a sheeple in the crowd, although they probably are more happy in their own little world. Not real happiness IMO though...

Great thread and thanks again!
Will def check out those links you gave me.

Take care, :)
Lost

Like wise I was a child who found confort in my own company , it was either that or a black eye lol.
you are so right about how people similar to our selves are sensative , because thats so true .
I am glad that you can see when you changed , because that defines a moment in life when reality junctions occured .
sometimes we create them with how we perceive the world around us . one small tiny tweek within and a whole new reality emerges .
its the small butterfly affect . funny enough our thoughts mean everything to us and nothing to every one else .
If we tweek them by just the smallest of calculations , the whole program changes , and quite often we see those we trusted around us beginning to act as though we shouldnt trust them .
as david icke says , its computers gathering around other computers because their proccessing isnt the same . in someway the masses see people like us as the problem who have mental illnesses , well if that was true then the masses are the desease , after all we do not create this reality . granted we can influence it and change it , but the collective reality that we are all part of is controlled mainly by the masses . since it is a collection of the masses actions / timing and events , then how can voicing what we see make us Ill ?
after all , its not us doing the deeds or supporting whats going on is it ?

life here is backward and as icke said .
religions stumps spirituality .
democracy prevents freedom .
and freedom means being in a prison .

its so bizzare .

personally I cannot believe you are a loner .

yes you may prefure solitutde , you may operate more efficiently alone , are happy and secure enough not to feel that you need another person to justify your existance , and are sure enough of your self to trust your self , but loner ?
no way ! you are here conversing with many , so loner is not true , lonely ? no way ! but operate more efficiently alone ? yeah I can totally relate to that any time .

:cool:

[tracker]

tracker some of the things in your post are so similar to mine. bless you

yeah I was once a little parranoidyears back but slowly got over it my self .
the reason why I say this in relation to your post is that when ever someone said something similar to my self I got worried etc , but now I have a new formular to show that it is statisticly possible that not only can people say things that are very similar but can come to a final conclusion exactly the same even though they might be seperated by thousands of miles and have different lives .

here it is .

MAN 1 )
has had an idea - that 2 + 2 = 4 .

MAN 2 ) has had an idea that 1 + 1 +2 = 4

MAN 3 ) has had an idea that 3=1 = 4

Man 5 ) has had an idea that 5-1 = 4

Man 6 ) has had an idea that 2 times 2 = 4

Man 7 ) has had an idea that 9 - 5 = 4

and so on .

it is a statistical calculated inevitability that someone sooner or later will come up with the same thing .

anyway thank you for your thanks . it does mean a lot as said before I was slowly beginning to think that i have nothing good to say , thank you .

:cool:

[tracker]

Hi Lost

Isn't this thread great ?!! tracker sure hits lots of nails on heads for the peeps on here...:)

Hey, no need to feel bad, I am much better now with stuff, but thank you so much for your concern. I wanted to post my story because I am sure there are a few on here who will empathise and hopefully tracker, yours and other's replies may help. It sure does seem to be a common occurance, as we progress up the ladder, consciousness wise, we seem to lose a few people along the way. It really is all about how you perceive things..instead of wallowing in self pity and keeping that energy about me, I can look at it as.."well those people were in my life for a reason, now they no longer need to be.." I am in a far different place now than I was those years ago anyway.

I am not sad those others have gone, strangely enough alot of the loss of contact coincided with me giving up using a mobile..even though we all had each others email, obviously people still have this obsession with keeping in 'distant' contact with a mobile phone.

I can pin point certain things that have happened that could explain why some of them left, but not all, which I found odd. I think alot of those friends were into the same things/interests as me, at the time, but I am no longer really into..I def feel one's energy changes and when you are on one level with someone and that level alters, you simply are not "compatible" vibrationally with them anymore. I often refer the term "weeding", our higher selves are weeding out those that no longer serve our purpose, our higher good? To make way for those that do ! :D

If OK, can I PM you at some point, go into a bit more detail?

Thanx again Lost, u are a darlin, big hugs as well :)

:)

thankyou so much for your repply , and like others here have taken the time to get really involved with the thread .
you are right about keeping one self down in self pitty as it will shape our reality .
the mobile thing that you spoke about is strange , but probably no stranger to other coincidences that some of us here saw when we changed .

I might try that mobile thing my self just to look see , and maybe it might be better to create a video on camcorder .
predict what might happen , record the date and see what happens , ya never know ah ?
Its good to see that you are not saddened by your loss of some friends as sometimes being sad that we loose others can really hold us down and then we find our self in traps of trying to please them constantly .

Knowing when you changed is a good thing .
Yeah I suppose our ebergy frequencies do change overall when this happens .
and yeah I strongly believe that we pick up these frequencies subconsciously , which is why some people may not know that you are changing , yet will act strange towards us / you even though they dont realise it them self .

the weeding comment is about true , something I read once in the bible a long time ago spoke about corn , and weeds .

I somehow knew what that was saying too all those years ago .

thankyou for the post and getting involved in good detial .

:cool:

[tracker]

Yes sir. Thank you for this post. I completely agree.

And I can relate to the example story that you gave. All of my problems kept making me feel alone and even worse, but then I just reached a point where I stopped and realized that everything that I have been through has made me a better person. And then I had a chance to become proud of myself and love and appreciate myself.

If other people really care about you then they will be there for you and encourage and support you. If not then you don't have to take their crap. There is also no need to try and impress someone too much because if they like you for real then you won't have to try that hard.

Even though I believe that life is all about relationships, if you don't have a chance to have many close ones or not any at all, always remember that even though it's hard, you are a stronger person for it, and even if you feel bad, still always try to spread the love back into the world, because eventually it may come back to you.

The real hard part about being alone is trying not to get bitter and selfish. If you can manage that then you are King.


yeah thats true , I often wondered about my friends too .
If they were true friends they would actually want that change , want you to venture in unknown ideas etc , so if they dont , then really its no loss because they werent your/my/our friends in the 1st place so how is there loss ?
shame i didnt know that all those years ago , but eventually came to the same conclusion .
you are also right about relationships and how going through things alone can make you a stronger person for it .

something I have noticed about many of us here on this forum is that we all love humanity , we do get sensative sometimes and scratch about abit , but we all love humanity , we care , we want freedom for all and the good will and freedom to spread love .

its something we all have in common here at the moment , so in a way , although many of us here have gone through hell and high water , we still have the spiritual equasion within us .

thank you for the repply , its nice .

:cool:

[tracker]

If OK, can I PM you at some point, go into a bit more detail?

Thanx again Lost, u are a darlin, big hugs as well :)

:)


any time !

:cool:

[tracker]

Nice thread tracker. If done correctly this goes very deep.

The secret to it? Change you feelings about the past event your holding in mind to one of unconditional love. This removes all posibility of it re-enacting in your present and hence percieved future.

Again, nice thread dude :p

thank you so much nectars . the feelings too are so important .
I have always known that if desisions are made upon feelings , they can affect us for the rest of our lives if we do not realise what is happening and or where and when it happened IE when we made a particular desision upoj feelings .

I remember when I was 19 I was so depressed because the love of my life left me with no goodbye . I was with her for 4 years .
I was so upset that I kept saying
"I wish I never loved and wasnt loved ever again"

at 25 years old I was still depressed and had no one for my own .
It was only after a few meetings with an old buddy that thos conversation came up , and he said , if i said that when i was feeling really bad with a strong energy , it would probably come true because everything I did/ thought and said would re-enforce what it was i wanted .

after that I began to find many friends etc , and a few ladies along the way .
never did do the deed with many of them coz quite frankly , i dont mean to blow my own trumpet but they were not worthy .

anyway just some feedback at what you said about feelings .
because they can shape our life especially if we place strong thoughts upon them .

:cool:

[lostworld]

Hi Lost

Isn't this thread great ?!! tracker sure hits lots of nails on heads for the peeps on here...:)

Hey, no need to feel bad, I am much better now with stuff, but thank you so much for your concern. I wanted to post my story because I am sure there are a few on here who will empathise and hopefully tracker, yours and other's replies may help. It sure does seem to be a common occurance, as we progress up the ladder, consciousness wise, we seem to lose a few people along the way. It really is all about how you perceive things..instead of wallowing in self pity and keeping that energy about me, I can look at it as.."well those people were in my life for a reason, now they no longer need to be.." I am in a far different place now than I was those years ago anyway.

I am not sad those others have gone, strangely enough alot of the loss of contact coincided with me giving up using a mobile..even though we all had each others email, obviously people still have this obsession with keeping in 'distant' contact with a mobile phone.

I can pin point certain things that have happened that could explain why some of them left, but not all, which I found odd. I think alot of those friends were into the same things/interests as me, at the time, but I am no longer really into..I def feel one's energy changes and when you are on one level with someone and that level alters, you simply are not "compatible" vibrationally with them anymore. I often refer the term "weeding", our higher selves are weeding out those that no longer serve our purpose, our higher good? To make way for those that do ! :D

If OK, can I PM you at some point, go into a bit more detail?

Thanx again Lost, u are a darlin, big hugs as well :)

:)

Crikey...that could have been me that replied !! :eek:..Wow, big similarities there Lost...so glad we met on here..what a great place to meet some really good people.. Amazing you should mentions starchildren, I had a dream once, where I was in this really old library/bookstore and I was lead to a book entitled.."starchild"..and I sensed the Universe was telling me something about myself..This was quite a few years back and I didn't know much about the meaning...wow, amazing you should mention that ! :D

:)

Hi Kiwimaj :)
Yes, great thread, I'm glad I found it too...

Yes, I agree - I do think that the people we've lost was in our life for some reason. Some are a bigger loss than others though... But I'm not really a people-person anyway, but of course I want some people around me that I can trust and feel comfortable with. Ususally, I have that alien-feeling though...
All seems fake and surreal; this is not really my life, not my people, not my place. And I can't shake that feeling off, in fact it's getting more and more intense...

You gave up your mobile? Good for you! I hardly use mine, only if I have to, keep it "just in case of emergency" but I rather have it off.
I don't like for people to reach me wherever whenever... Plus I think the elite use it as a tracking device on us too...

"Weeding" - that was a good term for it... very true. Yeah, it must have some purpose I'm sure. And it's exhausting to interact with people who are not on the same vibe anyway. A lot of energy wasted...

Yes, I do believe in starchildren. They are from every generation... I do think that we are a species of our own, more sensitive etc. I can't relate to most humans...
Although I don't care much for the human race I have to speak my mind about how the world is today. Not to "save them" as a starchild perhaps should, cause I really don't care for stupid people anyway, but if one more soul wakes up it's all worth it. Telling the truth as I see it is just something I need to do, to get it out of my system. Now, more than ever. And there is a reason for it of course...
But my heart is with the animals. I just hate how they are treated like slaves here...

Of course you're welcome to pm me, anytime!
I will be going away on Monday - finally holiday! But I will be back again after a week.

Take care now, :)
Hugs again,
Lost

[lostworld]

Like wise I was a child who found confort in my own company , it was either that or a black eye lol.
you are so right about how people similar to our selves are sensative , because thats so true .
I am glad that you can see when you changed , because that defines a moment in life when reality junctions occured .
sometimes we create them with how we perceive the world around us . one small tiny tweek within and a whole new reality emerges .
its the small butterfly affect . funny enough our thoughts mean everything to us and nothing to every one else .
If we tweek them by just the smallest of calculations , the whole program changes , and quite often we see those we trusted around us beginning to act as though we shouldnt trust them .
as david icke says , its computers gathering around other computers because their proccessing isnt the same . in someway the masses see people like us as the problem who have mental illnesses , well if that was true then the masses are the desease , after all we do not create this reality . granted we can influence it and change it , but the collective reality that we are all part of is controlled mainly by the masses . since it is a collection of the masses actions / timing and events , then how can voicing what we see make us Ill ?
after all , its not us doing the deeds or supporting whats going on is it ?

life here is backward and as icke said .
religions stumps spirituality .
democracy prevents freedom .
and freedom means being in a prison .

its so bizzare .

personally I cannot believe you are a loner .

yes you may prefure solitutde , you may operate more efficiently alone , are happy and secure enough not to feel that you need another person to justify your existance , and are sure enough of your self to trust your self , but loner ?
no way ! you are here conversing with many , so loner is not true , lonely ? no way ! but operate more efficiently alone ? yeah I can totally relate to that any time .

:cool:

Thanks Tracker,
very informative and interesting... :)

English is not my first language but I use the term "loner" to describe that I many times prefer my own company. I can have people around me, but I usually want to be someplace else - a weird combination of restlessness and need for solitude I guess.
I can be very social so it's not a problem really...

I'd like to chose loneliness whenever I want to, to have that opportunity - but the thought of being totally alone one day can scare me. I've always known somehow that I'm going to be, hard to explain, but even if I'm strong I dread it.
And then came the big silence...

The alien-feeling is very strong, as I just explained to Kiwimaj. The feeling of all this being fake and surreal; this is not my life, not my place and def not my people. I can't relate to most humans and think they many times are so pathetic. Not very humble, I know. But it's frustrating when we live in a world like this. A world I am convinced is controlled by evil who promote and reward its own. And the sheeple in the middle are kept occupied with their small lives, and mostly getting what they want so there is no resistance from them. They are absolutely no threat.
And then there is us. Our lifes will be tougher and we will be fought against. They try to break us every way possible. Maybe friends leaving is a part of isolating us too...? To try and weaken us, I don't know. In fact it makes us even stronger I think...

Sorry, I'm rambling on. And you're right, we are def not the ones with mental illnesses. Everytning is upside down in this world, wrong turns to right in every way and everything gets really twisted. THAT is sick if anything!

Take care, :)
Lost

[tracker]

Thanks Tracker,
very informative and interesting... :)

English is not my first language but I use the term "loner" to describe that I many times prefer my own company. I can have people around me, but I usually want to be someplace else - a weird combination of restlessness and need for solitude I guess.
I can be very social so it's not a problem really...

I'd like to chose loneliness whenever I want to, to have that opportunity - but the thought of being totally alone one day can scare me. I've always known somehow that I'm going to be, hard to explain, but even if I'm strong I dread it.
And then came the big silence...

The alien-feeling is very strong, as I just explained to Kiwimaj. The feeling of all this being fake and surreal; this is not my life, not my place and def not my people. I can't relate to most humans and think they many times are so pathetic. Not very humble, I know. But it's frustrating when we live in a world like this. A world I am convinced is controlled by evil who promote and reward its own. And the sheeple in the middle are kept occupied with their small lives, and mostly getting what they want so there is no resistance from them. They are absolutely no threat.
And then there is us. Our lifes will be tougher and we will be fought against. They try to break us every way possible. Maybe friends leaving is a part of isolating us too...? To try and weaken us, I don't know. In fact it makes us even stronger I think...

Sorry, I'm rambling on. And you're right, we are def not the ones with mental illnesses. Everytning is upside down in this world, wrong turns to right in every way and everything gets really twisted. THAT is sick if anything!

Take care, :)
Lost


your not rambling and wow what a coincidence ( not ! coz I dont believe in such things ) about when you said alien .
I was just talking to a mate on the phone about how human becings like our selves can be treated like aliens among their own kind .

how ironic would it be if aliesn found earth and sought out humanity and only were interested in people who devoted times on forums like this etc ?

what I do know is this .

It is no coincidence that we are all here . even though some think that reptilians are evil I will dissagree because reptilians are not evil , they are just reptilians .
are lions evil ?
what about aligators ?
which is why reptilians cannot be evil , they are just reptilians , and whether we like it or not , the NWO and reptilians is what has bought us here eventually , so we have to ask the question

do we really know the real NWO ?

who they are ?
what they are ?
what their true intention is ?

we have to unfortunatly , wade our way and wait to see .

all will be revieled .

[tracker]

I also have a small gift for all those who repplied to this thread . please wait until next post .


:cool:

[tracker]

For all those who have repplied and joined me on a small journey down memory lane , a road that we all have taken , and experienced so many differences yet were the same .

heres to you guys , enjoy these beautiful sounds .

a few songs for your enjoyment . you may not agree with some of the vids etc but just listen to the sounds of bliss here .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu684V2lB3Q


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enNE2oSTCKs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZiAXUGE1cU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWf8Jyz1z0Y&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rj6kyMO2wk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB_qsKGjTrg&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfTEusEJ93A&feature=related


:cool:

[lostworld]

your not rambling and wow what a coincidence ( not ! coz I dont believe in such things ) about when you said alien .
I was just talking to a mate on the phone about how human becings like our selves can be treated like aliens among their own kind .

how ironic would it be if aliesn found earth and sought out humanity and only were interested in people who devoted times on forums like this etc ?

what I do know is this .

It is no coincidence that we are all here . even though some think that reptilians are evil I will dissagree because reptilians are not evil , they are just reptilians .
are lions evil ?
what about aligators ?
which is why reptilians cannot be evil , they are just reptilians , and whether we like it or not , the NWO and reptilians is what has bought us here eventually , so we have to ask the question

do we really know the real NWO ?

who they are ?
what they are ?
what their true intention is ?

we have to unfortunatly , wade our way and wait to see .

all will be revieled .

Hi again, :)
Yes, the alien connection :D

I don't know about the reptilians. Haven't made my mind up about that yet...

However, I do think that there is good as well as evil. I'm not a religious person though.
But you can always sense energies, good or bad, about people and places.

Since the world is what it is - the wrong people get promoted, innocent animals are suffering tremendously being slaves here etc.
So much evil deeds that happen without interference.
All that has made me come to the conclusion that evil is in control for now. I can see no other answer for it.
A good force would never allow what's going on nowdays. It's crazy and insane. And totally unacceptable. I can't see how all this suffering would have any higher purpose, it's all a terrible waste.
(I also don't believe wild life/nature with all its killing was meant to be this way...)

This also fits with my personal experiences. Maybe I'm missing something in the equation but for now this is my take on things.

Thanks again Tracker for this great thread and for the music gift :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

Lostwold, we could be from the same planet. :p

I watched something tonight about this family that were being terrorized by poltergeists. There is evil in the world, yes. But we have to understand in order to heal.

[lostinstrangeworld]

I like those songs, tracker. :)

[bulletproofheart]

Sorry to be negative but the only way "out" of a tough time is to earn a paltry little amount "working" ie being a slave.

[armoured_amazon]

Its all about perception and not believing your negative thoughts...thoughts are not the problem, it's your belief or emotional attachment, to those thoughts...

Sometimes/to an extent.

[lostworld]

Lostwold, we could be from the same planet. :p

I watched something tonight about this family that were being terrorized by poltergeists. There is evil in the world, yes. But we have to understand in order to heal.

I would be glad to share a little planet with you fellow Lostie :)
At least it would be great company!

Yeah, those paranormal shows... funny how they often avoid to call the spirit "evil". Often they rather say that it's "sick" or "disturbed".
I don't think so... :rolleyes:

[unusual_suspect]

Sorry to be negative but the only way "out" of a tough time is to earn a paltry little amount "working" ie being a slave.

Tough times are not always about money, it can be an emotional or mental thing too.

[tracker]

Hi again, :)
Yes, the alien connection :D

I don't know about the reptilians. Haven't made my mind up about that yet...

However, I do think that there is good as well as evil. I'm not a religious person though.
But you can always sense energies, good or bad, about people and places.

Since the world is what it is - the wrong people get promoted, innocent animals are suffering tremendously being slaves here etc.
So much evil deeds that happen without interference.
All that has made me come to the conclusion that evil is in control for now. I can see no other answer for it.
A good force would never allow what's going on nowdays. It's crazy and insane. And totally unacceptable. I can't see how all this suffering would have any higher purpose, it's all a terrible waste.
(I also don't believe wild life/nature with all its killing was meant to be this way...)

This also fits with my personal experiences. Maybe I'm missing something in the equation but for now this is my take on things.

Thanks again Tracker for this great thread and for the music gift :)

yeah I noticed that , and I can relate to the evil thing even though Iam not religiouse too .
I saw david cikes hacking the matrix film , that was pretty good .

:cool:

[tracker]

I like those songs, tracker. :)

yeah they are kind of tranquil arent they .
I listen to that stuff quite a lot depending on my mood .

I have made two threads called

trackers cuts 1
and
trackers cuts 2

in dedication to every one on forum . the funny clips is really funny it has the carlton dance . the guy from "prince of bellair" dancing funny .

thankyou for the thankyou lostinstrangeworld .

:cool:

[tracker]

Sometimes/to an extent.


Armoured amazon :eek:

you mean ???????????????????????????????????????????

you havent dissapeared ?????????????????????????????????????:confused:

well welcome back .:)

it is nice to hear from you again .:cool:

I have missed you ( nothing meant just an abservation whilst on forum ):p

I thought you had just offed and left with no word .:(

anyway Amoured amazon , thankyou for getting involved , nice to see you still hear .

:)

[armoured_amazon]

Armoured amazon :eek:

you mean ???????????????????????????????????????????

you havent dissapeared ?????????????????????????????????????:confused:

well welcome back .:)

it is nice to hear from you again .:cool:

I have missed you ( nothing meant just an abservation whilst on forum ):p

I thought you had just offed and left with no word .:(

anyway Amoured amazon , thankyou for getting involved , nice to see you still hear .

:)

Hehe, I've been travelling and writing. Now I'm back to the reality of bills and debts and horrible people. The door's locked, but I'm still striving for an open window.

:)

[tracker]

Hehe, I've been travelling and writing. Now I'm back to the reality of bills and debts and horrible people. The door's locked, but I'm still striving for an open window.

:)

travelling and writing ah ?

ding dong :cool:

hope all went good for you . :p

yep youve been missed .;)

its good to see you back anyway .:cool:

yeah

bills / debts / obligations to fictitional contracts by authorities / being spied on / monitored / played about with etc

yeah welcome back to the land of the freeeee :D

here is a little something to put a smile on your face watch these they are funny.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68100

[armoured_amazon]

here is a little something to put a smile on your face watch these they are funny.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68100

On my way there now :)

[drooh]

Think it was Orwell who came up with the saying:

"Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present
controls the past."

Either way, it's a quote at the beginning of the movie version of 1984.

I agree with the essence of the point made by the opening poster but I would have chosen different words. I don't think it's a case of changing the past, so much as your perspective on the experiences gained from the past.

I like to think of experience as a foundation that is constantly built upon with more experience.

However you subjectively perceive that experience is what dictates your perspective.

That there is your modern alchemy - dualistic subjective interpretation forming the oneness of the experience. As above so below, light and dark, male and female.

The rebis.

[tracker]

Think it was Orwell who came up with the saying:

"Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present
controls the past."

Either way, it's a quote at the beginning of the movie version of 1984.

I agree with the essence of the point made by the opening poster but I would have chosen different words. I don't think it's a case of changing the past, so much as your perspective on the experiences gained from the past.

I like to think of experience as a foundation that is constantly built upon with more experience.

However you subjectively perceive that experience is what dictates your perspective.

That there is your modern alchemy - dualistic subjective interpretation forming the oneness of the experience. As above so below, light and dark, male and female.

The rebis.

I totally agree with you about how I made the opening post , it could have been changed , yet -------think about it , if you put too much philosophy into it , ( similar to how you have here ) people with limited points and understanding may not want to read it .or lets say it another way , your way sounds too cosmetic or accademic and some people dont want this type of language to read , thats all .;)

this is why i have made it as simplistic as possible .
this is not a claim that people are simple , it is just a mere tactic for simplisity and ease of reading , but yeah , I ssppose that your way sounds more correct .:cool:

Yet at the same time I see my way slightly more easy to read and tends to relate to that of the person who experiences these things rather than that of someone observing it or the way inwhich the explination is constructed .

:cool:

[drooh]

Indeed. Your way is perfectly valid.

The objective in all of this is understanding the point. You conveyed it as well as I did if not better.

I just like rambling and using big words - Typical gemini.

I found your post interesting because I was reading about spiritual transmutation the other day. Then later on the day I had a conversation of this very nature with my brother. So I like the synchronicity at play. :)

The stuff on alchemy which I have looked into (in line with your point) is entirely cryptic and philosophical but it equates pretty much the simplicity of a persons perspective dictating how their life is lived.

Sort of like the new-agey concept of the law of attraction.

[delamo1999]

This is a good post, but how is this done. I look in the mirror every day, and I have not had this type of shift.


:(

[tracker]

This is a good post, but how is this done. I look in the mirror every day, and I have not had this type of shift.


:(

basicly it depends how you see your self now and how you feel these days .

come on do tell , and I will give a new view .

anything .

I also help people with their CV's and dress them up with facts that they never knew about them self .

its an art form , none of it is lies , it is the truth , mainly about them self that they never knew .

My CV's have never failed .

every CV I have dressed up has always got those people interviews within 2 weeks of me making them and them sending them out .

now here is the trap .
this is a public forum , are you ready to give away , what you hold close ?

its called information about your self .

no addresses etc , no towns , no hair coloure etc

but general info

can you let it go ?

I am also going through right now a slow paradigm shift yet again , as explained it isnt as intense and strong as last time , but it is more managable , easy going and easyer to deal with , but is strong in its own right .
I believe its because I have also let go of some of my life here on forum .
read my threads and you'll find it , I do not fear others knowing about who I believe I am and how I got here which is why giving some of that info worries me not .

if you feel more comfortable you can pm me , and dont worry , mods on every forum can --- if needed confirm or monitor posts if you feel the need .this is not a trap . the reason why I say this is because the CV's I do require me to know about peoples past .how they feel .

it can all change if you think it needs changing .
:cool:

[tracker]

Indeed. Your way is perfectly valid.

The objective in all of this is understanding the point. You conveyed it as well as I did if not better.

I just like rambling and using big words - Typical gemini.

I found your post interesting because I was reading about spiritual transmutation the other day. Then later on the day I had a conversation of this very nature with my brother. So I like the synchronicity at play. :)

The stuff on alchemy which I have looked into (in line with your point) is entirely cryptic and philosophical but it equates pretty much the simplicity of a persons perspective dictating how their life is lived.

Sort of like the new-agey concept of the law of attraction.

Not all all drooh , you werent rambling at all , but I was doing something sneeky so please forgive me .

my post to you was a test .

I was testing to see if you were one of those unreasonable philosophical types that do not compromise .

your next post has put that question at bay .

I didnt mean to seem as though I was biting you , yet you have shown that you havent taken it that way either .

thanks drooh , and yeah I have also experienced the synchronocity this week .

I also like the timing .

:cool:

[haukipesukone]

Yeah well, sometimes it seems you can change your life despite a crappy past, but it still doesn't seem to work. Even if your attitude changes, your life can remain pretty much the same crap as always.

[tracker]

Yeah well, sometimes it seems you can change your life despite a crappy past, but it still doesn't seem to work. Even if your attitude changes, your life can remain pretty much the same crap as always.

Well if someone had that attitude it wouldn't surprise me at all why it never changed .

for instance ;

I bet any person who really thought that went into changing their attitude ------------with that attitude .

they still stay in the same circles .

people that we consider to be our friends can often be our worst enemies when it concerns changing our ways , family are at the top of that list .

any person with that belief obviously doesnt seem to actually want to change .

and as for

"Yeah well, sometimes it seems you can change your life despite a crappy past, but it still doesn't seem to work."

means that they haven't actually changed anything so they haven't actually "changed" their life .

for instance
you cant change how reality operates around you ( your life ) if you haven't changed inside on how you see it .

and this bit ;

"Even if your attitude changes, your life can remain pretty much the same crap as always"

well here the attitude has not changed , and if its pretty much crap as always , well this then goes back to point one where the attitude has not changed because the person has not changed how they see life within .

round and round we go .

If you know someone that has attempted to change their life and it hasn't worked ,

read the following threads .
of course ( if it is you ----------and I am not saying that it is you ) if the attitude above is kept whilst reading them , it still wont work . Also , if one is trying to change life to test the theory ----------this is not changing the attitude . the above comment comes from a defeatist who doesnt want to change their life . they seem to love it and will probably not read them anyway .
however as I have said , if it is a friend of yours maybe this info might help you help them .


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46436


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46414


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46569


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46282


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47889

[haukipesukone]

The thing is feel much better about me than I did 10 years ago. I feel like I could do something with my life, that I'm not a complete loser etc. But still, if I look at my life, it's not really any better. I'm as lonely as I used to be, as misunderstood. I just deal with it, I don't let it get me down.

My life is basically the same, but I'm different.

[tracker]

The thing is feel much better about me than I did 10 years ago. I feel like I could do something with my life, that I'm not a complete loser etc. But still, if I look at my life, it's not really any better. I'm as lonely as I used to be, as misunderstood. I just deal with it, I don't let it get me down.

My life is basically the same, but I'm different.

WRONG !

you still look upon your self as a looser .

why ?

this is what other people may think of you to make them feel better in them self , how and why would you add to that ?

If you can see through those lies , and understand that the only reason you feel this way was because of the past , then the future becomes manipulable .

bad mistakes people make whilst changing their life ;

keeping in the same circles .
Keep hanging around same family members that do not respect them .
keep doing the same things , same patterns of actions and habits .

these are the three top things that stop people progressing .

if you have to spend time alone ---------do it !

you don't have to be Lonely -----to operate alone .
one could visit libraries
coffee houses
museums

and more whilst trying to find a subject that one feels that they can excel in .

find a good hobby , follow it , and I bet you can make a career out of it .

during that time
you can find better friends
better places to hang out in
it will also change your habitual life .

there are many things you can do

you just have to learn to let go -----------and loose your fear of maybe doing it alone .

believe me , the others around you will get by with out you , you don't have to hate them or ignore them forever , it sounds to me as though you need time and space to find your self as your under pinning opinion of your self has only come from others around you to make you feel that way , why add to it.

something I bet you have never done !

walked up to the mirror and told the reflection .

I am sorry for being your worst enemy .
I have joined the crowd and kept you in there , from now on , I will look after you
be there when you need it
watch your back
stand up for you
we will do this together , fkem !

I bet you haven't !
how do I know this , -----------your reply .

think about this .

look in the mirror and what do you see ? a looser perhaps ? a no hoper perhaps ?
well then would it be any surprise as to why the prisoner in the mirror blames you ?

the mirror is like our mind .
think about it .

if you tern your back on life and join the rest in tormenting your reflection , according to the point of relativity from the reflection ----looking back at you --- who stands in front of the crowd tormenting the person there ?


I will tell you --------------------------------IT YOU !

the reflection sees your back towards life , thus facing the mirror . when you do this , according to the reflected you in that mirror , you stand with your back to life thus facing the mirror , this means you are the one in front of the crowd pointing at your self .
you are the leader , you are in front of all those behind your back , and they too are facing the same way ------at the mirror , with you in front , pointing at the reflection saying-------------your a looser .

is it any wonder why the reflected you cannot brake free ?

after all -----------you are their best hope .

touch the real mirror
put your hand to the glass and tell them -------------- NO MORE !

look at their pain .

just try to see the person in the mirror as a stranger .
would you give them the bad life you had if they were a stranger ?
well then ---------------why do you ?
because the real you is still prisoner , and it is you who gives them the life they have .

be their friend !
be their for them .
stick up for them .

show them how to act .
show them what to do.
teach them not to bite easily towards others .
show them how to be cool .
show them this prison planets rules .

be the friend they never had .
:cool:

[unusual_suspect]

Yeah well, sometimes it seems you can change your life despite a crappy past, but it still doesn't seem to work. Even if your attitude changes, your life can remain pretty much the same crap as always.

The thing is feel much better about me than I did 10 years ago. I feel like I could do something with my life, that I'm not a complete loser etc. But still, if I look at my life, it's not really any better. I'm as lonely as I used to be, as misunderstood. I just deal with it, I don't let it get me down.

My life is basically the same, but I'm different.

You sound like you are in a bad place emotionally and like you need a hug :)
I'm sending you some healing energy as you sound a bit battered and bruised.

[tracker]

You sound like you are in a bad place emotionally and like you need a hug :)
I'm sending you some healing energy as you sound a bit battered and bruised.

yeah thats what I thought too .

it seems as though they have been in that bad place for ever .

it can all change .

it only stays there because we hold onto it .

I do feel for people who go through that type of reality .

it is an injustice .

:cool:

[unusual_suspect]

yeah thats what I thought too .

it seems as though they have been in that bad place for ever .

it can all change .

it only stays there because we hold onto it .

I do feel for people who go through that type of reality .

it is an injustice .

:cool:

I can relate to that, I often feel the same way. I am going to do Reiki 1 for self healing very soon, maybe haukipesukone could benefit from something similar? They seem like a very sensitive person.

I went for a aura and tarot reading for the first time ever today, the reader hit a lot of raw nerves and it was quite uncanny.

[tracker]

I can relate to that, I often feel the same way. I am going to do Reiki 1 for self healing very soon, maybe haukipesukone could benefit from something similar? They seem like a very sensitive person.

I went for a aura and tarot reading for the first time ever today, the reader hit a lot of raw nerves and it was quite uncanny.


ok then I will tell you why i call it an injustice that some people live in those realities .

99% out of 100 who exist in those realities are;

giving people who do not want in return .
they always help people .
always look out for others .
do their best in everything they do .
work hard . ( even if they are unemployed )
think of others .
take next to nothing .
can get upset seeing others suffer ( even on tv )
usually have a brave heart but usually have it broken every day .

just to find out

that no one cares for their well being .
is always the last to know .
is always at the end of bad jokes .
usually feel lonely even in crouded places .
have freinds that are unreliable when it counts ( not all the time - just when it counts )
and often find them self wide awake at nights wondering what they have done wrong .




thats why its an injustice .

my research and experience with others has shown this . it doesnt always apply to every one , just most of them .

:cool:

[unusual_suspect]

ok then I will tell you why i call it an injustice that some people live in those realities .

99% out of 100 who exist in those realities are;

giving people who do not want in return .
they always help people .
always look out for others .
do their best in everything they do .
work hard . ( even if they are unemployed )
think of others .
take next to nothing .
can get upset seeing others suffer ( even on tv )
usually have a brave heart but usually have it broken every day .

just to find out

that no one cares for their well being .
is always the last to know .
is always at the end of bad jokes .
usually feel lonely even in crouded places .
have freinds that are unreliable when it counts ( not all the time - just when it counts )
and often find them self wide awake at nights wondering what they have done wrong .




thats why its an injustice .

my research and experience with others has shown this . it doesnt always apply to every one , just most of them .

:cool:

I dunno, I look at it from a more esoteric viewpoint. I believe that before you come back you chart your life and choose what issues you want to deal with. So basically you should be gratefull for challenges as they are chances for spiritual growth and to learn valuable lessons.

If you keep getting the same grief over and over again you are not learning that lesson simple as. The aim is to deal with the hardships and issues you have chosen to address in this lifetime and get to the end of it with your inner light intact. Even if you end up battered and bruised along the way it's worth it.

[tracker]

Any one here who has had a bad past , I am telling you the truth , it can be changed somewhat .
The events do not change , but how you see it will be .
see for your self that it is true .

Before I give you this secret , David Icke said something really powerful and many of us here know its true .
"if you control the past , you can control the future".

I think that this saying is true . WHY ? ( might you ask ) because how you think/believe or see the past is how you were ( in a way ) guided to the present and there for it shapes your future .
Since this is true , I have something special for all those who have had a bad childhood past .

For instance

Ian is in his twenties .
He has been abused as a child and bullied all the way through his schooling .
No one really is particular about him and rearly invites him to parties .
Ian is always depressed , feeling bad about the way he has always been a good person and no one treats him right.
He lost an army career ,
was made homeless twice , and no one loves him .
( I think you get the general idea )

this outlook upon his life is exactly what holds him in the same routines every day which is why he gets more and more depressed as time goes bye .

One day ian looks in the mirror and suddenly experiences the paradigm shift , out of nowhere , he recognises a different truth .

Ian was so strong as a child -- he survived an abusive childhood and came out tops . His schooling was nothing less than an emotional / mental and physical survival course to which he came through and survived . Even adults would not be able to put up with this in their work place and have particular rights and protections that help them , but Ian now recognises that he had none of this luxury , he made it on his own .
His army career may have been lost , but that is not the point , he was picked , and he made the training , he passed and there is no shame in being medical discharged during an event .
He survived being homeless twice and made it with no one to support him , no friends or relatives .

After realising this truth , Ian became somewhat stronger inside and began to respect him self more .
The people around him began to chant and curse saying that he had changed for the worst .
But Ian realised another truth
They didn't like him this time for a good reason


That reason was

that he didn't take any more crap and left those folks behind because they were not worth it in the 1st place .

Now Ians outlook is different on his past , his present has changed , and now he can do things he never thought he could , all because

he realised that the passed can be changed .

the events cannot , but how he looked upon it can , because we shape our reality with our minds

and if we can control the past -------we can control our future .

hope this helps some of you out there .

you are not alone because it is not a bad past --------it is only a past , how you see it is what shapes it .

:cool:

when Ian started to change how he saw him self and his past within , he began to see a totally different side . A side that had been inside him all that time .
as the day went by he began to feel a bit more glad about himself and pondered a while .

He didnt need freinds like the ones he had , what difference would it make to him if they were not around ?
after all ------- they treated him like a complete joke , always took the micky , always said they would be there for him but when the time came which wasnt often , they always had some terrific excuse with out fail , every single time . he had realised that he had heard it all before .
he also looked at his family and was horrified to see the same pattern .

he began to ponder again .

would he feel better if they were not around ?
what could he do with all that time ?
no one there to hinder him .
no one there to have a go at him .
no one there to destract him .

he realised something ---------------------------------- that they would get on just fine with out him , after all they mever invited him to parties and always left him out , so----------------- where would be the loss ?

would he be alone he thought ?

well no ! no he wouldnt !
he could always go to a library learn things to keep him self busy , he could meet good people there instead .

it was at this time Ian did something so bizare .

he looked to the future at a possible him .
worked his way backwards every 5 years in steps .
thought ------------I always wanted to be an architect .
what would the other reality Ian be doing then ?
how did he get there ?
what was he doing 5 years before that to get there ?
and what was he doing 5 years before that one ?
and so on , right down to the present day .
what would the other alternate reality ian be doing right now ?

well he wouldnt be feeling bad about himself , because the other Ian is cool , calm , doesnt give a damn about what others think .
the other Ian would be studying or keeping fit , something that ( the present Ian ) obviously wasnt doing .

this was the turning point in ians life .

he played out the role of the alternate Ians life .

then something strange happened .

freinds and relatives suddenly became interested in seeing him , inviting him out , wanting to chat etc .
Ian was hesitant about this and went along anyway .
before the night was up he had let the cat out of the bag about his plans .
his suspisions were right , his own family could not beleive in him .
they seemed a little insencere about how they looked on his new potential life .
he knew he was right , half of the problems that he had faced was being with others who in a way kept him down , spoke him down , treated him as a lesser person and certainly did not have any faith in him .
ian realised that being around them was bad for him so he gave him self a brake and kept any chats and visits down to a minimum .
eventually one day Ian fealt something .
he wasnt sure what but fealt really strange , it was as if he was frightened about something .

later that day he was invited to a party by his family who just kept saying please come bla bla bla . Later that night his brother got really mad at him and shouted and threatened him for almost no reason .

Ian knew thios was going to happen . It was as though he fealt how desperate they were to keep him down and control him .

so he gave it a good brake .he learned that at times , when he was alone , just because he might feel sad about a situation , that it doesnt mean those feelings have to rule his mind . He descovered on his own that feelings are feelings , they are not the mind , and that mind is seperated from feelings yet feelings can often influence our thoughts . A major step that he had managed on his own was to seperate his thoughts from his feelings , and when he did feel sad , he asked him self as to why he felt sad about something instead of thinking that he was sad . this eventually got rid of his depression , and he did that on his own , yet again when he was alone , with out drugs / drs/ therapists .

quite often Ian could feel things coming , many people he knew were not able to let go of the Ian they had come acustomed too so Ian drew back further and further .
yet he wasnt lonely , he went to college , libraries , town halls for meetings , local markets m coffee houses .

he fealt really good for his changing life , and practiced being the Ian he had never allowed to exist .

today Ian is no joke in his families eyes any more .

His brother has had a nervouse breakdown since but did get over it .( wonder why )
his mother has to respect him because Ian does not give her any control points .
His father is still the same old man , but cannot affect Ian like he used to which sometimes makes him cross .
Stranegrs also respect ian because his walk has changed , his stance , his posture , his mannerisms , and almost everything has changed .

some say he has changed for the worst , whils others cant let go of the old Ian , but then ------------------------- Ian doesnt give a shite because he is on 64K per year and has much better friends now , and even if he lost it all , he doesnt care , because to him its all baggage , because he understands ----------that the only thing we can take with us is our memories , and Ian has walked the walk ,which is also why -----he DOES not talk the talk .

some might say he has changed for the worst , but Ian has not changed , he is still the man he always was , all he did --------------was change his reality .just because he did things that he never used to do ------- does not mean he is different . the only thing that is different , is the way others see him . they have to see him that way -----because the reality that they live in , is still the same ,---------------------------- Ians is not --------which is why they now see him that way .


this is also what he began to see for him self please read these links .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46436


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46414


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46569


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46282


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47889

:cool:

[tracker]

So basically you should be gratefull for challenges as they are chances for spiritual growth and to learn valuable lessons.

If you keep getting the same grief over and over again you are not learning that lesson simple as.

yes again this is a different way to see it .
I am just saying that it is an injustice .

also the second peace is also right , people sometimes dont learn , yet so many of us are unable to see that it isnt their fault . a life time of being blinded from esential truth is to blame for that , but i see it this way , because unusual-suspect , it sounds as though you have had experience in this but some have not , and if they do not know , and the nature of it , they can see it in a very different way .

a bad way , one that can make them depressed , and in some cases , suisidal .

so like eistein said

the speed of light stays constant but time is relative .

tracker say
time is the mesurement of the movement of a concept in space .mainly light / etha / earth days years seconds etc .

since time is relative -------------reality is thus relative to the observer , meaning ------------ it doesnt matter who or what you think you are -------your reality is relative to you , meaning

that there are an infinate amount of parrallel realities that coexist symutaniously ocpupying the same space and time .

all we have to do
is exist in them .
be that person , allow it to be .

( trackers babbling arts of reality and how to change it lol. )

:rolleyes:

[unusual_suspect]

yes again this is a different way to see it .
I am just saying that it is an injustice .

also the second peace is also right , people sometimes dont learn , but i see it this way , because unusual-suspect , it sounds as though you have had experience in this but some have not , and if they do not know , and the nature of it , they can see it in a very different way .

a bad way , one that can make them depressed , and in some cases , suisidal .

so like eistein said

the speed of light stays constant but time is relative .

tracker say
time is the mesurement of the movement of a concept in space .mainly light / etha / earth days years seconds etc .

since time is relative -------------reality is thus relative to the observer , meaning ------------ it doesnt matter who or what you think you are -------your reality is relative to you , meaning

that there are an infinate amount of parrallel realities that coexist symutaniously ocpupying the same space and time .

all we have to do
is exist in them .
be that person , allow it to be .

( trackers babbling arts of reality and how to change it lol. )

:rolleyes:

These lessons aren't meant to be easy, when people are going through this they should be feeling very bad indeed otherwise nothing of value would be learned.

Our souls all chose certain difficulties and issues to deal with in this incarnation, some people have chosen more than others.

I have been going through this and I am starting to emerge from it and I have been released from the baggage, I have learned a lot of my lessons and it is now a time to nurture myself and surround myself with people who benefit me. I have been sucked dry emotionally and mentally by other people and I have learned that I cannot help those who do not want to help themselves. I am a gentle person at heart and have no time for ass holes any more :D

I am now recovering, nursing my wounds and building myself back up again. I have had some wonderful changes in my life over the last couple of years, but I am stil bruised and i am going through a healing process.

[tracker]

These lessons aren't meant to be easy, when people are going through this they should be feeling very bad indeed otherwise nothing of value would be learned.

Our souls all chose certain difficulties and issues to deal with in this incarnation, some people have chosen more than others.

I have been going through this and I am starting to emerge from it and I have been released from the baggage, I have learned a lot of my lessons and it is now a time to nurture myself and surround myself with people who benefit me. I have been sucked dry emotionally and mentally by other people and I have learned that I cannot help those who do not want to help themselves. I am a gentle person at heart and have no time for ass holes any more :D

I am now recovering, nursing my wounds and building myself back up again. I have had some wonderful changes in my life over the last couple of years, but I am stil bruised and i am going through a healing process.

thats the spirit ! ;)

sometimes we have to drop other people if they keep holding us down or abusing our friendship .
you are lucky in way , you know the truth about this situation and can also recognise the phase inwhich you are in .

you are soooooooooooooooo close to achieving everything you have always wanted to experience and be , --------------------soooooooooooo close .

atleast you are wise now on certain signs that ohters give off with out noticing , as this may have come from experiences that you have had which can help you in the future never to make the same moves .

I wont call them mistakes , because they are not mistakes , as you said , they are experiences that you can learn from .

I have the feeling that you too are on a reality junction , a cross over , a new life to experience .
:cool:

[unusual_suspect]

thats the spirit ! ;)

sometimes we have to drop other people if they keep holding us down or abusing our friendship .
you are lucky in way , you know the truth about this situation and can also recognise the phase inwhich you are in .

you are soooooooooooooooo close to achieving everything you have always wanted to experience and be , --------------------soooooooooooo close .

atleast you are wise now on certain signs that ohters give off with out noticing , as this may have come from experiences that you have had which can help you in the future never to make the same moves .

I wont call them mistakes , because they are not mistakes , as you said , they are experiences that you can learn from .

I have the feeling that you too are on a reality junction , a cross over , a new life to experience .
:cool:

I dumped the vampires and unpleasant people, when people are giving it all the "why have you changed, I liked you better before (when you were a doormat) and put you down to your face and to others, what they don't realise is that what they are doing is hurting them more than anyone else.

I refer to it as mental poisoning and it is one of the most detrimental things you can do to yourself and your spiritual development. When you realise we are all one, you think - hang on a minute, if I hurt you I hurt myself :)

You know about the junction :cool:

That is indeed where I am, I refered to the dark night or obscure night in an earlier post, I'm sure you catch my drift.

I had a funny experience today, I met a person and they asked me to do a poster and cards for astrological readings (I am something of an expert but do not like to blow my own trumpet) to go in her shop, she does everything else except astrology, she also directed me to a local arts group.

There have been some very queer synchronicities occuring in the last year.

I'll post a pic of my poster when I have finished it.

[tracker]

I dumped the vampires and unpleasant people, when people are giving it all the "why have you changed, I liked you better before (when you were a doormat) and put you down to your face and to others, what they don't realise is that what they are doing is hurting them more than anyone else.

I refer to it as mental poisoning and it is one of the most detrimental things you can do to yourself and your spiritual development. When you realise we are all one, you think - hang on a minute, if I hurt you I hurt myself :)

You know about the junction :cool:

That is indeed where I am, I refered to the dark night or obscure night in an earlier post, I'm sure you catch my drift.

I had a funny experience today, I met a person and they asked me to do a poster and cards for astrological readings (I am something of an expert but do not like to blow my own trumpet) to go in her shop, she does everything else except astrology, she also directed me to a local arts group.

There have been some very queer synchronicities occuring in the last year.

I'll post a pic of my poster when I have finished it.

lmao ---:D I know the that feeling too ( I liked tracker when he allowed us to walk all over him , i really like him lol ) :D
and you are right because so often we find our family and friends do put us down in full public viewing , just to make them feel superior not knowing that if they put me/you down , they are indeed allowing them self to be shown as the same thing , after all ----------birds of a feather flock together .Every group is only as strong as its weekest link .

the dark night ?

yes I do know who and what you refure too .

I am familiar with it .

I also am experiencing what I now see as synchronocities .
some call them coincidences , I say

coincidence is the word used as a last resort for the unenspired .

:cool:

[tracker]

since reality is relative to the observer , it is not right for any one to be labeled "mad" or insane.
if those labelles are to be used , we should use them upon what people do not what they say .

take paranoia for instance .

paranoid people do not create what they see ---------they only voice what they see . If they didn't say anything , would they still be labeled paranoid ?
ahhhhhhhh ? yeeeeeeeeeees , seeeeeeeee , it is not as simple as that .

lets get the truth in about this subject .

a person who is paranoid does not create the situations they see !

It is a grouping of factors mainly induced by the collective ( masses ) around them .
peoples timing / events that stem from other peoples actions / peoples actions too , all contribute to a system of patterns that mainly only the analytic person can see , because these things happen around them , so they voice what they see , the next minute every one around them laughs at them and chats to them , the next day they go through the same routine .

is it any wonder why they begin to feel stressed ?

what tickles my nerves are Dr's and therapists who claim the following ;

"yeah well some people are actually physically Ill their paranoia is due to chemical imbalances"

I ask " how old are they/"

they say "16------------------- or ------------28"---what ever they say

I then say
"well if they weren't so stressed out for the last god knows how many years their bodies and brains would not have come accustomed to producing those chemicals thus actually slowly rewiring them self as time went by -------so the real problem isn't their body or mind-----------its every one else including you ---the therapist , if all you professionals Illuminated bullying at school , and dealth with it there or in the home , that person would not have developed that way .

they then say things like " well you cant catch every fish but we can help them when we do"

I say " well its not in your interest to catch them is it ? its not good for your profession to stop this at an early age is it ? otherwise who on earth would you be making a living on if this was nipped in the butt at the start ?----------------absolutely no one , there fore - your career would go down the drain wouldn't it ?"


you should see the looks on their faces , and I do talk to those people , not through needing them -------but through knowing some of them .


anyway -- to the issue .

paranoid people do not create what they see , but they can change how they see it .
what some can get worried about and paranoid about ---- we here call it synchronicity , a spiritual event that happens to those who have woke up .I prefure to call it "reading the program" rather like seeing a repeating film and almost knowing whats going to happen next . seeing patterns in every day life . making sense of connections .

babies are not born paranoid or schizophrenic , these things are induced by the numb ignorance of the collective ( masses ) around them .

this is why I say , alternative realities do exist , they lay within us and all around us and we can pick and choose exactly which one we wish to live in and yes sometimes it does mean letting go of people we like or love .

:cool:

I am now about to tell you of an extrememly mentally Ill parranoid group of people here in Britain , and you would be amazed at what they do in the streets .

these people are so parranoid , they do put up small monitoring devices in towns and shops , including streets .
they listen to every one and watch every one .
if they can they will hack your internet line to read all your emails .
they will listen to all your phone calls and record them .
they have a group of people who can just stop you in the street to search you and even take you away if you so little as question why you have been stopped .
they want to know everything you do and say because of this reason ;

they are parranoid that someone is out to hurt someone . and they think it is every one who is out to hurt others .

welcome to your government and their familiars we call the police .

any person who did what they do would be locked up and shut up in a nut house for all their life .

it isnt who you are that is important , it is what you do that defines you . ( quote from Batman )

truth logic

we are what we do !
actions speek louder than words !
all truth is its own evidance !

there is no logical counter act to prove these sayings wrong !

[curtaincat]

all i would like to say is thankyou tracker for this thread.
it is really important and i hope you do write a book.

i relate to just about everything you said and others here too. this thread really matters a lot. most people i know only care about materialistic things and i cant get through to them.

I am glad that a lot of people are not in my life anymore because all they did was try to drag me down , rip me off etc... no matter how much time i spent helping them , or money, they always wanted more. I am a "charlie nice guy" no more, ever again.

i used to be "so good" all the time, thinking i was being kind and helping, but all I got was the 'mirror' effect... i know what that means... so i have changed my mirror. ( after all, how can you give it , if you dont have it).

Physical life hmmm , hasnt picked up, but spiritually, i feel stronger.

really hope you write a book tracker :cool:

[tracker]

all i would like to say is thankyou tracker for this thread.
it is really important and i hope you do write a book.

i relate to just about everything you said and others here too. this thread really matters a lot. most people i know only care about materialistic things and i cant get through to them.

I am glad that a lot of people are not in my life anymore because all they did was try to drag me down , rip me off etc... no matter how much time i spent helping them , or money, they always wanted more. I am a "charlie nice guy" no more, ever again.

i used to be "so good" all the time, thinking i was being kind and helping, but all I got was the 'mirror' effect... i know what that means... so i have changed my mirror. ( after all, how can you give it , if you dont have it).

Physical life hmmm , hasnt picked up, but spiritually, i feel stronger.

really hope you write a book tracker :cool:

yeah i can see it now ,
people might think you have changed for the worst , only think for your self and cant be bothered as far as they are concerned .
well yeah and why not if they were like that , it sounds as though they deserve it .
obviously they will find another mug to rip off , treat bad ,
i went through the same thing .

the reason why we also get resistance form those we thought were friends is this .

can you imagine being the clown ? the joke ? the idiot ( as i was once too ) the perosn who is a walk over ?
well now you knwo why they would work hard ( but unitentionally ) to keep you down or take the piss especially when you needed them to be good friends ?
well imagine just how bloody stupid they look when you triumph ?
imagine the humiliation placed upon just how wrong they have been all that time ?
so now who is the joke ? who is the mugs ? who are the idiots ?

this is why some people work so hard to keep us down , its becaus elife can be like a group of bird boxes .
if you move up a floor , they have to move sideways or down one etc , now you know why ,

they might not do this intentional , but it is societies under pinning foundation --------to hold each other as they are and to seek and asimulate individuals into their system .funny enough the masses in their system seem to be rather like that of the collective borg in Star trek next generation and it tends to put a whole new meaning of it seeing it this way in comparison to our system .

you shall surrender your vessel .
you shall be assimulated -----------resistance if futile .
we shall add your biological instinctiveness to our own ------resistance is futile .
freedom is irellevent
individualism is erellevent
death is erelevent
you shall be assimulated
resistance is futile .

but then ------the borg has not acounted for the individual equasion fk you and your system pyramiters .

we are the resisatance .we will prevail -------it is------------------inevitable !
:cool:

[tracker]

:cool:

[finn234]

this thread is brilliant. well done tracker :D

i totally agree with you and can sympathize big time. you really should write a book on it - theres always self-publishing if you cant a publishing deal.

[tracker]

yeah thnks for that reply .

thats nice support there

it does need a good spell checkand then a good grammer check , but I am sure it will defo help some change their reality .:cool:

[fallensoul]

Rofl the synchronities are getting out of hand for me. This thread and everything in it is something I been talking in tremendous depth over the past months with people, and I gone through most of it. This is like the summary of my past 5 months. I am not in the mood to go into detail but so many veils have been lifted from my eyes now and I see the world much more clearly.

Life is amazing when realized.

[tracker]

Rofl the synchronities are getting out of hand for me. This thread thread and everything in I been talking in tremendous depth over the past months with people, and I gone through most of it. This is like the summary of my past 5 months. I am not in the mood to go into detail but so many veils have been lifted from my eyes now and I see the world much more clearly.

Life is amazing when realized.

yeah it truly is .

at one time synchronocity used to make me feel parranoid , but not any more .

funny how having more knowledge of things creates a wider point of view thus allowing us to have more say if we choose too in our reality .

:cool:

[finn234]

Rofl the synchronities are getting out of hand for me. This thread thread and everything in I been talking in tremendous depth over the past months with people, and I gone through most of it. This is like the summary of my past 5 months. I am not in the mood to go into detail but so many veils have been lifted from my eyes now and I see the world much more clearly.

Life is amazing when realized.

thats good to hear :D the world really is ours - its up to us to create our own reality, whether it is a good one or a bad one is our responsibility.

[tracker]

yep , sounds as though they have truly walked into a the realm of being aware of their surroundings and have recognised that they are part of it .
I hope everything goes well for them , and that they dont allow these situations to control their actions but think outside the box .
the only reason why they are able to see these connections is because it is an interactive thing and reality isshowing them that they are on the right track .


:cool:

[finn234]

yep , sounds as though they have truly walked into a the realm of being aware of their surroundings and have recognised that they are part of it .
I hope everything goes well for them , and that they dont allow these situations to control their actions but think outside the box .
the only reason why they are able to see these connections is because it is an interactive thing and reality isshowing them that they are on the right track .


:cool:

i hope so too

im in a fairly awakened state right now :) really relaxed, almost blissing out, can see that we're all really omniscience, and that we can manifest that here if we go with the flow...

just thought id share that :)

[tracker]

yeah and its true , thanks for those thoughts .

people need to know these things and how knowing about our selves and how we can connect with reality can help us eperience it in such a different way .

:cool:

[tracker]

Rofl the synchronities are getting out of hand for me. This thread thread and everything in I been talking in tremendous depth over the past months with people, and I gone through most of it. This is like the summary of my past 5 months. I am not in the mood to go into detail but so many veils have been lifted from my eyes now and I see the world much more clearly.

Life is amazing when realized.

yeah , i suppose you mean something like this .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpDkHOGEboY


:cool:

[fallensoul]

That video is funny. I had similiar experience of my own which was completely bizzare. Get this one weekend I was in a complete state of bliss, I felt like I am in complete control and untouchable.

Then we go into a bar, what I do is I order a beer go sit into an empty table, it was kind of early and the bar was almost empty upon our arrival. I made a prediction to my friend and said "soon people will be pouring in" and I kid you not the place started filling up. I just sat there drinking and smoking and watching people come in.

Soon the place was packed and my empty table was full of people, I just sat there didnt say anything I just enjoyed the moment. Occasionally I asked people around me politely if I could taste their drinks and they offered them me kindly. One girl even gave her whole drink to me. It was amazing I didnt even interact with anyone but I was surrounded with females sitting skintight to me.

I felt like I was in heaven. And then it happened. Some guy sat right next to me his leg touched mine and shoulder touched mine he was REALLY close but didnt say anything. So I turn to him and ask him for a cigarette, and he just replies "Get the fuck out of here." I am like "woah.. I just asked for cig" he replies "Shut the fuck up".

After that I just ignored him and sat there thinking "why is this guy behaving like this? I could have not upset him unless he was jealous or something since my positive aura was drawing people near me and giving me drinks and stuff"

I really got upset over this one guy being a complete asshole for no reason when I am experiencing heaven on earth. Then I SNAPPED completely, I took a lighter looked him straight into eyes, told him "You've got no right or reason to tell me to get the fuck out, and you could never harm me in anyway, and im not afraid you in any way, nothing you can do could get to me more than I could get to myself" Then I BURNED my pinky until it was burnt to the bone from one spot. Then I just left the guy really freaked out and didnt even say anything. I NEVER DONE anything as crazy as that before or after.

From perfect bliss I went into complete depression. I've got a nice scar to remind me of this and I will never hurt myself like that anymore. But I was drunk and high so that might have had something to do with it.

Did I get tapped? I felt like feeling infinite love I could live in harmony with everyone around me but that fantasy was ruined by one guy who hated me for no apparent reason. It was like his mission was to ruin my day.

[tracker]

That video is funny. I had similiar experience of my own which was completely bizzare. Get this one weekend I was in a complete state of bliss, I felt like I am in complete control and untouchable.

Then we go into a bar, what I do is I order a beer go sit into an empty table, it was kind of early and the bar was almost empty upon our arrival. I made a prediction to my friend and said "soon people will be pouring in" and I kid you not the place started filling up. I just sat there drinking and smoking and watching people come in.

Soon the place was packed and my empty table was full of people, I just sat there didnt say anything I just enjoyed the moment. Occasionally I asked people around me politely if I could taste their drinks and they offered them me kindly. One girl even gave her whole drink to me. It was amazing I didnt even interact with anyone but I was surrounded with females sitting skintight to me.

I felt like I was in heaven. And then it happened. Some guy sat right next to me his leg touched mine and shoulder touched mine he was REALLY close but didnt say anything. So I turn to him and ask him for a cigarette, and he just replies "Get the fuck out of here." I am like "woah.. I just asked for cig" he replies "Shut the fuck up".

After that I just ignored him and sat there thinking "why is this guy behaving like this? I could have not upset him unless he was jealous or something since my positive aura was drawing people near me and giving me drinks and stuff"

I really got upset over this one guy being a complete asshole for no reason when I am experiencing heaven on earth. Then I SNAPPED completely, I took a lighter looked him straight into eyes, told him "You've got no right or reason to tell me to get the fuck out, and you could never harm me in anyway, and im not afraid you in any way, nothing you can do could get to me more than I could get to myself" Then I BURNED my pinky until it was burnt to the bone from one spot. Then I just left the guy really freaked out and didnt even say anything. I NEVER DONE anything as crazy as that before or after.

From perfect bliss I went into complete depression. I've got a nice scar to remind me of this and I will never hurt myself like that anymore. But I was drunk and high so that might have had something to do with it.

Did I get tapped? I felt like feeling infinite love I could live in harmony with everyone around me but that fantasy was ruined by one guy who hated me for no apparent reason. It was like his mission was to ruin my day.

I call this situation ---------the perfect day syndrome .

its one of those situations where something cant go right with out having something so wrong to finish it off .

You can tell i have had experience with this ah .:rolleyes:

I do think you were tapped , and unfortunately was used right at the end , but it doesnt matter .

the next time you go in a bar you will know not to ----------invite --------a point at which others can grasp and make bad with , so really it wasnt a bad thing that you went through this , its an advantage point at which you can grasp nad make better next time round .

I have had that too .

I have walked into a nightclub with a mate and it had 3 bars .

I purposely took him to the empty one furthest away from the dance floor .

I told him that women would flock round us , and wow yeah within 1 hour we couldnt look around with out having boob in face :D

I told him to then look out for a group of guys who might purposely walk and stand right next to us , and then surround us to cover the view
IE---------to make their mark and to ---- in a way --------make the girls only see them and not us who might be struddled up against the bar closely surrounded by them but obvioucly with their backs towards us .

well it happened .:rolleyes: he was shocked .

they even did the -----------------shoulder thing as like yours .

how did i stop it ?

cunning !;)

I got off the stool and said out loud -- excuse me guys i would like to get through , got to visit the mens room .
they parted .
I then moved my stool out away from the bar to create a larger gap than what they would be able to surround and said
oops , nahhh ? im not loosing my seat here , its taken me 1/2 hour to attract all those women here at this end of the hall , im not leaving them for someone else

and i smiled .

the looks on their faces said it all .

after about 5 mins they gathered around the end of the bar , whilst my friend sat gobsmacked .

at the end of the night we chatted .

i told him that it was obviouse it was going to happen for a few reasons .

1 ) there were a lot of women that end of the club .
2 ) me and my mate made a promise before we got it -- no eyeing up women ! it works every time especially if ones posture is so relaxed .
3 ) natural man instinct to assert him self as the alpha male .
4 ) psychology .

and yeah ------if you look great , look relaxed and not bothered , people will be attracted to you and it will pull people around you .
this is why the alpha monkey man usually walks in to make trouble of it .

if you keep calm and relaxed , its good , because any people around them --- might next time see them in a different light and it spoils it for them the next time round .

:cool:

[fallensoul]

^ ^^ nice post tracker, I was not as informed back then I just felt natural doing what I was doing and got completely thrown off my game because of the guy

And I did notice how guys would stand around my area, it was funny. And I was as you said, I was calm, relaxed, enjoying my time, not really trying to hit on anyone.

Good stuff, yet another lesson learned

[tracker]

^ ^^ nice post tracker, I was not as informed back then I just felt natural doing what I was doing and got completely thrown off my game because of the guy

And I did notice how guys would stand around my area, it was funny. And I was as you said, I was calm, relaxed, enjoying my time, not really trying to hit on anyone.

Good stuff, yet another lesson learned

yeah well i have been cought out with it too my self .

yet some would say that to talk about it in this way makes us strange , which is quite ignorant really .

funny how so many people go out of their way to refuse the facts that sometimes they are not in control over their own minds and actions , whilst gob smacked folks like you and me stand back in aw watching the proof for our selves .

:cool:

[noobcybot]

yeah well i have been cought out with it too my self .

yet some would say that to talk about it in this way makes us strange , which is quite ignorant really .

funny how so many people go out of their way to refuse the facts that sometimes they are not in control over their own minds and actions , whilst gob smacked folks like you and me stand back in aw watching the proof for our selves .

:cool:

Just wanted to add my opinion on the idea that people distance themselves from those who start taking shit into their own hands.

People like leaders, they like an easy life without confrontation. They will lose a lot of freedoms for this before they start to rebel.
For example, a bully may make a large group of peoples lives very hard.You may get the worst of it and none of those people around you will help and will make excuse after excuse for their own cowardice in their own minds.
Say you have enough one day and start turning the tables on the bully and make them feel fear and worry or just lose yourself and stomp them. What do you think is the reaction of those who used to live under tyranny?
They will not treat you like a hero, they will say things like "you went to far" and "he didnt deserve that" and they will fear you.
To me this says people like leaders even those who treat them poorly, in most any situation sheeple will be uneasy around independant souls who take control of their own destiny and have little concearn for the status quo of the herd.

[tracker]

Just wanted to add my opinion on the idea that people distance themselves from those who start taking shit into their own hands.

People like leaders, they like an easy life without confrontation. They will lose a lot of freedoms for this before they start to rebel.
For example, a bully may make a large group of peoples lives very hard.You may get the worst of it and none of those people around you will help and will make excuse after excuse for their own cowardice in their own minds.
Say you have enough one day and start turning the tables on the bully and make them feel fear and worry or just lose yourself and stomp them. What do you think is the reaction of those who used to live under tyranny?
They will not treat you like a hero, they will say things like "you went to far" and "he didnt deserve that" and they will fear you.
To me this says people like leaders even those who treat them poorly, in most any situation sheeple will be uneasy around independant souls who take control of their own destiny and have little concearn for the status quo of the herd.

you are so right on all of this !

years ago I was bullied all the way through my school life .
in the last year I had enough and lashed back like no tommorrow .
every one said I was going to far / had mental problems and even cursed and hated me for fighting back yet didnt say a bloody thing when my face was being stamped on .

lessons learned from that meees says .

the ultimate way to beat a bully isnt fighting back although if its done quick enough aand as soon as it happens the bullies generally stay away , but if you do nothing , because they get used to it they go further and further and as we have all seen they can even end up killing their victims after years of getting pleasure from their sick games .

the idea is --- do as much as you can to succeed in school because its after school when the real McCoy turns up trumps .

being successful is the ultimate way to revenge bullies and abusers .
They hate it !

wasnt so long ago I was being served at a local super market from one of my old school foes , bullies .
he choked when he saw me , went red , and tried to look away .
I remember slowly making my way towards him and smiled / asked him how he was doing etc etc , just waiting for the right question and he asked it too .
what are you doing these days he said .
running my own electrical contractors , etc etc etc .

he was very red faced , when he almost choked again I offered him some drink that he had just passed through the till .:D

I didnt exactly want him to feel that way and choke , but maybe he made him self choke a bit , its his life , his guilt and his pride , not mine .:D

you are right though , always defending against a bully doesnt pay well depending on the situation as aftermath etc can get worse .

what you can bet your life on is not getting any help .

the system loves bullies and abusers because with out victims , most departments like DRs/therapists / anti bullying ---------wouldnt have a job and there for wouldnt have money to line their pockets , thus fact has it , that they depend on children and people getting bullied and abused for a living .

basicly putting it , peope make a killing from abusing .

one must get wize to this .

:cool:

[noobcybot]

The best revenge is living well true. The only problem here is that it does not neccessarily break the chain. For example I feel bullies need to be made to think twice. In truth though it is none of my busines if someone else who is capable in reality of defending themselves is getting bullied.......which brings me onto another point....
I
If you defend such a person they will often not be grateful. Because that type of person releases anger on people they are comfortable with, not the people they are harrassed by.

[sxmrx]

Good call Tracker - we make our own realities!

[armoured_amazon]

Nothing ever changes. You can try your best to get away, carve a future, but in the end, the same old shit pulls you back and pushes you down again.

[tawnyraja]

wonderful thread tracker, I had an extremely bad chilldhood,but feel i have turned it around for the positive. Although still a few ups and downs. Your post has really given me a lift, and reminded me its okay .Im okay. ive had a little cry .....but good tears .....thankyou ,,,just what i needed to hear.

[tracker]

Nothing ever changes. You can try your best to get away, carve a future, but in the end, the same old shit pulls you back and pushes you down again.

That depends Armoured Amazon .

It depends on whether you dance when they play the tune .

I found out through experience that when reality places a brick wall in front of your goals , it is not stopping you doing anything , it is merely showing you that you must do something else to accomplish what you want .

Maybe , these walls are put there to make you see that you must be prepared to sacrifice many things to get to your desired destination of which many of those things you carry are unnecessary for your new life or experience , rather like carrying baggage that you do not need .

If the same old crap comes to you , this means that you have not changed how you go about things .

I like you AA and never wish to make you feel bad but if I do not say things as they come then it could appear false , so forgive any comments that seem offish .

You have to change your self .
Your self is what interacts with reality thus it can only be who YOU spend time with / or , HOW YOU interact , no matter how you look at it , the main character doing everything in your life is YOU .

It could be --------HOW---------------you deal with things .

What I do know for sure is that your reply is very pessimistic and insistent , with no faith for your self or a situation .
This will not help you one tiny bit .
With a for frontal view like that , you will only ever see the brick wall .

AA , I respect you very much and from all the posts I have seen from you , your Armoured Amazonian personality of the freedom fighter always stands out .

This little post of yours shows a small part of you that can seriously damage your journey in life .:)

read these , they come from experience of my own .


WHY is it always me/you ? because you are the ONE!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47889


Our own philosophies that can hold us down
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46414

philosophies that can make us FAIL !
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46436

Own philosphies hold us back 3 .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46569



.

[tracker]

wonderful thread tracker, I had an extremely bad chilldhood,but feel i have turned it around for the positive. Although still a few ups and downs. Your post has really given me a lift, and reminded me its okay .Im okay. ive had a little cry .....but good tears .....thankyou ,,,just what i needed to hear.

It is brief , probably too brief but I have more threads like this .
You can tell that I write them from experiences of my own and wow did it take a long time to figure out for my self .

read them and come back to me on them if you may .

the 1stone is real long winded and one needs to push through it before all the cots connect up brilliantly .

the other three are fearly straight forward .

please read them , i would love any intell or insights you might have regarding them .


WHY is it always me/you ? because you are the ONE!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47889


Our own philosophies that can hold us down
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46414

philosophies that can make us FAIL !
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46436

Own philosphies hold us back 3 .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46569


:)

[pri01]

Around 13 years ago, I used to wallow in self pity about how bad my life was and how lucky other people were. My outlook was all doom and gloom and I could see no respite from my situation unless I had a stroke of good luck thrown my way.

I don't know how things changed but I drifted into doing something differently and my life changed overnight. Suddenly I was an achiever and instead of internally saying things like "I can't do that" I heard myself saying "I can do that and I have done it". It was liberating.

What I would say to everyone who reads this thread is that you can achieve whatever you want to in life. The only barrier is yourself. You need to start saying I can more often and mean it.

[armoured_amazon]

That depends Armoured Amazon .

It depends on whether you dance when they play the tune .

I found out through experience that when reality places a brick wall in front of your goals , it is not stopping you doing anything , it is merely showing you that you must do something else to accomplish what you want .

Maybe , these walls are put there to make you see that you must be prepared to sacrifice many things to get to your desired destination of which many of those things you carry are unnecessary for your new life or experience , rather like carrying baggage that you do not need .

If the same old crap comes to you , this means that you have not changed how you go about things .

I like you AA and never wish to make you feel bad but if I do not say things as they come then it could appear false , so forgive any comments that seem offish .

You have to change your self .
Your self is what interacts with reality thus it can only be who YOU spend time with / or , HOW YOU interact , no matter how you look at it , the main character doing everything in your life is YOU .

It could be --------HOW---------------you deal with things .

What I do know for sure is that your reply is very pessimistic and insistent , with no faith for your self or a situation .
This will not help you one tiny bit .
With a for frontal view like that , you will only ever see the brick wall .

AA , I respect you very much and from all the posts I have seen from you , your Armoured Amazonian personality of the freedom fighter always stands out .

This little post of yours shows a small part of you that can seriously damage your journey in life .:)

read these , they come from experience of my own .


WHY is it always me/you ? because you are the ONE!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47889


Our own philosophies that can hold us down
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46414

philosophies that can make us FAIL !
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46436

Own philosphies hold us back 3 .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46569



.

I'm still trying to battle through, but the walls keep getting built faster than I can smash them down. I could pretend my journey has a point, but it doesn't. The only point I can find is my human experience is to experience as much turmoil, disappointment, frustration and loss as a person can in one lifetime. And I'm smiling, so I'm either deranged or haven't experienced enough shit yet. :)

Around 13 years ago, I used to wallow in self pity about how bad my life was and how lucky other people were. My outlook was all doom and gloom and I could see no respite from my situation unless I had a stroke of good luck thrown my way.

I don't know how things changed but I drifted into doing something different and my life changed overnight. Suddenly I was an achiever and instead of internally saying things like "I can't do that" I heard myself saying "I can do that and I have done it". It was liberating.

What I would say to everyone who reads this thread is that you can achieve whatever you want to in life. The only barrier is yourself. You need to start saying I can more often and mean it.

Heh, I'm you in opposite. :D I grew up an optimist, an achiever, hardworker, promised myself things would get better if I just remained positive and applied myself. Suddenly I looked round after three decades on the planet and realised my pursuit of Truth and authenticity had left me with nothing. If I overlooked duplicity in order to have fun, friends, social life, a job, money, etc I'd be a happy clam. It was only when I actively started living authentically that my life turned to shit, and it's been this way for ten years now. All I have to do is one inauthentic thing, and my circumstances would be bettered in an instant, thus lifting my mood, too. I know this. I should do this, I know! That's the frustrating thing! I KNOW how to make my life better. All I have to do is live inauthentically; And the reason I know this is because when I used to get drunk and coked up and have sex, I didn't have the shit I get off strangers now, and I was never short of money or friends. My holier-than-thou attitude to life, not participating in the so-called negative behaviours I used to do has done nothing but destroy me.

[tracker]

I'm still trying to battle through, but the walls keep getting built faster than I can smash them down. I could pretend my journey has a point, but it doesn't. The only point I can find is my human experience is to experience as much turmoil, disappointment, frustration and loss as a person can in one lifetime. And I'm smiling, so I'm either deranged or haven't experienced enough shit yet. :)



Heh, I'm you in opposite. :D I grew up an optimist, an achiever, hardworker, promised myself things would get better if I just remained positive and applied myself. Suddenly I looked round after three decades on the planet and realised my pursuit of Truth and authenticity had left me with nothing. If I overlooked duplicity in order to have fun, friends, social life, a job, money, etc I'd be a happy clam. It was only when I actively started living authentically that my life turned to shit, and it's been this way for ten years now. All I have to do is one inauthentic thing, and my circumstances would be bettered in an instant, thus lifting my mood, too. I know this. I should do this, I know! That's the frustrating thing! I KNOW how to make my life better. All I have to do is live inauthentically; And the reason I know this is because when I used to get drunk and coked up and have sex, I didn't have the shit I get off strangers now, and I was never short of money or friends. My holier-than-thou attitude to life, not participating in the so-called negative behaviours I used to do has done nothing but destroy me.


awwwwwww :o Amoured Amazon , what the hell made you fall from grace ?:)

I feel so much positive vibes from you , so much brilliant energy ,

Yet something troubles you .

I am unable to fathom why you think that since you gave up the negative things that life has gone down hill .
Everything you have ever done , said and thought , has made you the person you are today .

I love the person you are today and I am more than sure that many people here would agree with me when I say this
"You do not allow your self any credit . You are deeply loved by many here and respected".

The resistance you see before you ( reality fighting back ) could be the reflection of the inner conflicts you seem to have .

They ALWAYS disappear with time , when we finally accept and respect our self . When life resists , its not because we are on the wrong track , its usually because we are on the right track .
When we take a new path , one that conflicts and contradicts the old path and ways of our self , reality tends to reflect it back , thus what we tend to experience is many contradictory situations and brick walls that tend to insinuate we must return back to the old path .

When we let go of how they affect us , yes some times new ones come up , but if we keep pressing on , with out letting them affect our THOUGHTS on the matter , they usually go away and life then reflects back our peaceful inner self , thus we end up in a peaceful situation .

OK it doesnt always go like that , or how they say in books , but a majority of it happens that way .
The only hard bit , is not allowing the reality program to bug us in the ways that it can .
when these situations arise , just acknowledge them as signs that you are on the right track , then thank the universe ( God or life force ) for showing you . This type of brain training changes the your reactions to a given situation .
when your mind eventually adopts a totally different pattern , your thoughts , actions and there for circumstances will eventually change , but the thickness of reality is like a soup , and it takes time to manifest .

I don't pretend its easy , lord knows it took me nearly 15 years to change things , but I did find out that we must become the change we seek in this world before the world we live in changes .

I do so hope AA that things eventually fall in to place for you .
You deserve it , you are a good person .

kind regards tracker .

[choice]

I like the original post really much...still i can't avoid thinking about "patterns".

An elephant, when small, is domesticated for a circus. They attach him close to a tree, so the elephant sees he's weak to break free.
Because he gets used to this idea, when he grows up he won't try to release himself, because he got used to the fact that he can't.

Same with smoking...you can realize is bad, what you do wrong...and yet you just go back to the old habit.

When you grow up listening that "you ain't enough", "you ain't good", "you will fail", later on you may look to a mirror and say You are worth it...but your reflex and instinct will bring you back to the old patterns that you know. And the fear you will face, is probably the same fear that has been persecuting you all your life.

But for sure the OP was very interesting and usefull in lots of life situations :) So thank you for posting it, and make us think about it :)

[subl1minal]

Brilliant post Tracker! :D

I'd like to share this video to add to it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BLBhYWZPpQ

[orage]

Never too late to have a happy childhood.

Thanks Tracker & all, I needed a little reminder. Cheers :)

[tracker]

I like the original post really much...still i can't avoid thinking about "patterns".

An elephant, when small, is domesticated for a circus. They attach him close to a tree, so the elephant sees he's weak to break free.
Because he gets used to this idea, when he grows up he won't try to release himself, because he got used to the fact that he can't.

Same with smoking...you can realize is bad, what you do wrong...and yet you just go back to the old habit.

When you grow up listening that "you ain't enough", "you ain't good", "you will fail", later on you may look to a mirror and say You are worth it...but your reflex and instinct will bring you back to the old patterns that you know. And the fear you will face, is probably the same fear that has been persecuting you all your life.

But for sure the OP was very interesting and usefull in lots of life situations :) So thank you for posting it, and make us think about it :)

wow Choice you have marvelous insights there .

I take it you read those links I provided .

You are very right about what you say what with our minds being held back by our trained instincts . very good .

I call them ---------programs because thats how they affect us .
even when we THINK we are going for a goal , our Trained instincts ( programs ) can have patterns of BLOCK COMMANDS of failure , thus every thing we do can end up failing .
the appearance changes but the pattern does not .

[tracker]

Brilliant post Tracker! :D

I'd like to share this video to add to it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BLBhYWZPpQ

Brilliant story there , love it .
Typical of how even we as human beings can be trained too.

:)

[tracker]

Never too late to have a happy childhood.

Thanks Tracker & all, I needed a little reminder. Cheers :)

We all have the ability to change our life based upon our past .
If we do not like what we see in the past , we must look at it differently .

Your welcome btw , thanks for the reply .

:)