Punishments for Leaving Islam & Kaffirs/infidels

[scooby85]

Quote an English man in Sauidi

In Saudi Arabia you will be arrested for displaying any Christian symbol (crucifix around the neck etc), or behaving in any sort of a Christian "manner", such as singing hymns. Women are routinely whacked with the camel whips of the Matawah, the religious police, for offending their code of female modesty, as in anyone caught carrying on commercial transactions during "prayer time". Travel is allowed between your compound and your place of work, with permits required to travel elsewhere, including the requirement for a permit TO LEAVE the place. At the time I shook the dust of the rathole from my boots in November, they were approaching their 100th execution. I recall the case of a couple of European (Scottish I think), liquor dealers who were supposed to have been involved in a turf war and to have killed a couple of other dealers. I didn't believe a word of the accusations against them. The penalty was "partial beheading" (don't ask), followed by crucifixion. It didn't happen in the end, but consider, are these penalties having any place in a civilised country????????

In the UAE you need to prove your freedom from HIV or TB for a residency permit. To start any business there you need a "local partner", who is in for a negotiable share of the take. You need your employers permission to hire accomodation, obtain a liquor license, buy/ register a car. As an alien you cannot buy one square inch of territiory. If you injure anyone in a road traffic accident you are placed in jail for the duration of their stay in hospital. During your incarceration you will not be fed by the authorities and will starve if you do not have friends prepared to bring you food. Your education will be well catered for, as you will learn how to wipe your bottom with your finger, in the absence of the appropriate toilet paper.

These considerations are just some of the many applied to aliens in muslim countries.

Does anyone think that if SOME or ANY of these restrictions were placed on our unwelcome additions over here, that there would be such an infiltration of alien lifeforms.

I visited the middle east a couple of times, about twenty years apart, the second time out of curiousity to see if they were finding a way out of their self-imposed chaos, they weren't.

I was paid both times to waste my time in this region of the world. I will never return as I do not wish to further assist their policy of world domination.

It is a total mystery to me why anyone wishes to spend money to go on holiday to one of these repressive, regressive hellholes!


How many more times... An act of a group or a country doesnt represent islam even if that group/country is an islamic one.

Loads of vicars do little boys up the bum, does that mean christianity condones gay paedophilia??

[eternal_spirit]

That even sent a chill down my spine and I thought nothing about pisslam could shock me anymore.
I agree even I was shcoked.

[eternal_spirit]

Hundreds of long term residents of certain areas of NYC were systematically forced out their homes by New York State (as corrupt as all get go) and replaced by incoming Muslims.

Yes, they're so oleaginous when they first arrive, surreptitiously recruiting to Islam, but the attitude changes when they get a little taste of power, and from there it's downhill all the way.

Ireland is now filling up with displaced Brits - as well as the usurpers, also becoming arrogant here. It is a disgrace to see how many decent people have been forced to leave their homes.

It's a declared fatwah/jihad by Islam, and an undeclared war against ancestral Britons.

Islam, however, is still lurking, not too far away, but people are waking up.

Sounds as if you would be a genuineasylum seeker!


My nan was ethnically cleansed from Sparkhill in Brum (Birmingham) (B11) more than a decade ago. The pattern of behaviour was similar to that experienced by LondonLady, namely: once their numbers reach a certain level in the street the Muslims decide it is now "their" area and whitey must either push off or convert to Islam. The Muslim kids simply copy the grownups' behaviour.

[turquoisefire777]

islam is a suckass religion




it's now official...i have more power than google....:D

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by picha http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1058526247#post1058526247)
Well thats nice of him but the great mo himself unfortunately did:

Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)
Well that's a green light to some Muslims even if others disagree.

[eternal_spirit]

The Catholics kicked Muslims out of Europe on two or more occasions, if they hadn't you'd all be bowing down to Allah today (including us Brits) the Christian Crusades where in response to centuries of Islamic invasions which took over European and other countrys land.


Conversion to other religions or practising of them is not allowed in some Islamic Countries. The death penalty can apply it's Sharia at work.

It's far more likely they are following the Koran and Muhammad's instructions, there's enough verses there fro them to justify wanting to restore the Islamic Caliphate and have Shari ah rule all the planet the Ottoman Empire came close.

There is an abundance of fatwas (religious edicts) by Muslim authorities inciting to genocide and suicide attacks against Christians and Jews. All these fatwas are based on the Koran and Hadeeth. (Tells you that this is not a recent thing it's always been this way)

Ali Gom’a, the grand mufti of Egypt, the highest Muslim religious authority in the world, supports murdering non-Muslims. In the daily Al Ahram (April 7, 2008), he says, “Muslims must kill non-believers wherever they are unless they convert to Islam.” He also compares non-Muslims to apes and pigs, not only the Jews.

Muhammad Sayyid Al Tantawi, president of Al Azhar University also approves of killing and maiming Christians, Jews, and other infidels. He added, “This is not my personal view. This what the Shari’a Law says, the law of Allah, the only valid law on the earth.”




Yousef Al Qaradhawi, the spiritual leader of the fundamentalist organization, the Muslim Brothers, urged on Al Jazeera TV (Jan. 9, 2009) Muslims to kill the Jews, not only in Israel but also worldwide. He added, “No peace can be made between us (Muslims) and the non-believers. This what our holy book says. This what Allah says.”
Saudi Arabia’s Grand Mufti, Sheikh Abdulaziz Bin Abdullah Bin Mohammed al Sheikh said on Iqra’ TV channel, “Killing producers who show women unveiled is legal.”
The Saudi Sheikh Saleh Al-Lehadan, head of the Supreme Judiciary Council, told Al Watan daily, (March 25, 2008) “After getting rid of the Jews in our Arab land, we must turn to the Christians. They have three options: either they convert to Islam, or leave, or pay Jizia (protection taxes). Further, there is not such a thing as Shiites, Sufis, etc. There are only Sunnis. All these sects must renounce their pagan beliefs and return to Sunna, the right path of Islam.”


Zaghlul Al Najjar rejoices in the rise and spread of Islam across the globe. He writes in the Egyptian daily Al Ahram (Nov. 14, 2008), “Islam now is everywhere. Gorgeous mosques are built everywhere in the heart of Europe, in Rome and Cologne. The number of Muslims all over the world is also rising. More than 20 million Muslims live now in Europe. Alone in Germany there are 3.5. Demographers estimate that the majority of citizens in Germany will be Muslims in the year 2050. Two decades ago very few women wore the Hijab (headscarf). Now you can see them everywhere. Sooner or later, Islam will be in control of the whole world. This time, we don’t need to fight the infidel West with our troops as we did at the gates of Vienna. This time we’ll infiltrate the West and convert it to Islam, willy-nilly.”

Dr. Sami Alrabaa, an ex-Muslim, is a professor of Sociology and an Arab/Muslim culture specialist. Before moving to Germany he taught at Kuwait University, King Saud University, and Michigan State University. Dr. Sami Alrabaa can be reached atsamialrabaa@yahoo.com

Dr. Sami Alrabaa most recent columns (http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/members/8066/Dr.%20Sami%20Alrabaa/)

[eternal_spirit]

Viewed rationally, Islam is a non-starter. Its 'Holy' Book consists of half-digested fragments of Judeo-Christian theology, mixed with the bile of hatred, and spewed into the fair face of Christendom from the putrifying guts of a violent, deceitful, plundering pedophile. The Koran is full of historical, scientific and logical errors and even contradicts itself on numerous occasions. Not exactly the work of a Supreme Intellect!

And yet Muslims claim that these demented ramblings and rantings are the literal word of God Almighty, to be treated with utmost respect. They throw enormous tantrums when Korans are left in toilets or returned to libraries with bacon-rashers as bookmarks. In the Islamic paradise of Pakistan, damaging a Koran or insulting The Pedophile are punishable by death.

To understand Islam we need to look at the most primitive organisational state of mankind - Tribalism.

If we regard the Ummah as a tribe, and the Koran, the Pedophile and the Black Meteorite as the tribe's three main totems, we begin to get a better understanding of Islam. A tribe derives its identity and unity by displays of reverence towards supernatural totems, and feels insecure and threatened whenever the power of its totems is weakened, for example by the totems being 'humiliated' or 'polluted' . One of the surest ways of demoralising a tribe has always been to desecrate its totems.

This explains the rage at the Motoons, and the 'hate crime' of the Koran down the toilet. It also explains why the Saudi authorities made such a fuss when they found a Christian in Mecca. The precincts of the Holy Meteorite had been defiled by a najis kaffir.

Tribal culture and psychology are difficult for civilised people to understand. Most parts of Western Europe have not been organised tribally since the Dark Ages, so it's difficult to get inside Muslim mind and understand just how primitive and benighted are the psychological processes that go on there. For example:

- A tribe regards itself as perpetually at war with all other tribes - hence the Muslim worldview of Dar a-Harb in conflict with Dar al-Islam, and Ummah in conflict with Kaffir.

- The property and women of other tribes are there for the taking. Might is right - hence the Jizya, Razzia, white slaving etc which are all justified by the Koran. Tribalism also explains the chants of 'We will take your wives for booty' at the London Motoons demonstration - this is the typical behavior of the stone age savage.

- The ethics of reciprocity (do as you would be done by) only apply within the tribe. Hence the lack of any Golden Rule in Islam. The nearest you get to the Golden Rule in the Koran is desiring for your brother Muslim ('kin-selection') what you desire for yourself - in other words share out the booty equally.

- Loyalty to the tribe is of paramount importance - hence the punishment by death for apostates.

- The tribe must not mingle with other tribes or else it may lose its identity - hence the self-imposed ghettoisation and ethnic cleansing of Kaffirs from the periphery of the ghetto as seen in European cities.

- There is a great desire to destroy or humiliate the totems of other tribes, especially where they have phallic significance - hence the attack on the twin towers, and the plans for the MegaMosque whose minarets will be taller than any Christian building.

Muslims in the modern world are living fossils, though like dinosaurs suddenly set down on the streets of London, none the less dangerous for being so primitive. Islam appeals to the lowest and basest instincts of man, and in the absence of a strong, confident modern culture will gradually reduce its host society to a disfunctional state of anarchy where Islam can gain the upper hand.

Tribalism makes it impossible to defeat Islam by reason or appeals to decency. The Koran, the Pedophile and the Meteorite are not capable of being examined rationally or ethically - they are pre-rational symbols of tribal cohesion. And when that tribe is on a roll , and believes itself to be the strongest and fastest growing tribe winning the Jihad against all the rest, no rational argument will persuade its warriors to abandon the winning side.

The Ummah may eventually have an 'Emperor's New Clothes Moment', but it will not come about by reviewing the evidence for a flat earth in the Koran. It is more likely to happen by military defeat in a European Civil War or World War III.

najistani
http://islamicdanger2u.blogspot.com/2009/11/triumph-of-islam-how-tribalism-trumps.html

[mightyoak]

The problem with you is that your not at all open minded, your very one sided and biased.

Thats such a laughable statement coming from you scoobs, Most amuzing.......... :)

[mightyoak]

Anyway back on topic.

What i find most hypocritical about the islamic teachings off there being "No compulsion in religion" (various hadiths and surahs) is the fact That death is the punishment for apostasy.

[mightyoak]

The punishment for leaving islam is Death - YouTube

seventy three percent is frightening and un-deniable that that death is quranic indoctrinated

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[picha]

Anyway back on topic.

What i find most hypocritical about the islamic teachings off there being "No compulsion in religion" (various hadiths and surahs) is the fact That death is the punishment for apostasy.

I was told the no compulsion bit only applies if you havent become a muslim yet i.e. you are not complelled to be one but you are compelled to stay one.

[mightyoak]

I was told the no compulsion bit only applies if you havent become a muslim yet i.e. you are not complelled to be one but you are compelled to stay one.

That i presume picha is correct
However this Death penalty for those returning to the status off infadel IE; after seeing the corruption from within. Is basically a action off suppression off the truth................ http://www.ex-muslim.org.uk/ has some very eye opening material from those in fear for their lives If interested Straight from the horses mouth so to speak.............

[eternal_spirit]

Mightyoak this is proof and yet another reason why Islam is supposedly the fastest growing religion. Some adults fear the consequences of leaving so never do, then their children are then born into Islam and on and on it goes.

[mightyoak]

Mightyoak this is proof and yet another reason why Islam is supposedly the fastest growing religion. Some adults fear the consequences of leaving so never do, then their children are then born into Islam and on and on it goes.

On and on
Truth is off course ET that fear is the fuel that the religious zelot indoctrinates amongst their fellow followers.
Break the code by revealing the truth is off the gravest concern to those still un-enlightened or should that be Still frightened..........Salmen Rushdi comes to mind off course....







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[eternal_spirit]

Amil Imani is an Iranian-born American citizen and pro-democracy activist. His webpage is AmilImani (http://www.amilimani.com/)


Islam enjoys a large and influential ally among the non-Muslims: A new generation of “Useful Idiots,” the sort of people Lenin identified living in liberal democracies who furthered the work of communism. This new generation of Useful Idiots also lives in liberal democracies, but serves the cause of Islamofascism—another virulent form of totalitarian ideology.

Useful Idiots are naïve, foolish, ignorant of facts, unrealistically idealistic, dreamers, willfully in denial or deceptive. They hail from the ranks of the chronically unhappy, the anarchists, the aspiring revolutionaries, the neurotics who are at war with life, the disaffected alienated from government, corporations, and just about any and all institutions of society. The Useful Idiot can be a billionaire, a movie star, an academe of renown, a politician, or from any other segment of the population.

Arguably, the most dangerous variant of the Useful Idiot is the “Politically Correct.” He is the master practitioner of euphemism, hedging, doubletalk, and outright deception.

The Useful Idiot derives satisfaction from being anti-establishment. He finds perverse gratification in aiding the forces that aim to dismantle an existing order, whatever it may be: an order he neither approves of nor he feels he belongs to.

The Useful Idiot is conflicted and dishonest. He fails to look inside himself and discover the causes of his own problems and unhappiness while he readily enlists himself in causes that validate his distorted perception.

Understandably, it is easier to blame others and the outside world than to examine oneself with an eye to self-discovery and self-improvement. Furthermore, criticizing and complaining—liberal practices of the Useful Idiot—require little talent and energy. The Useful Idiot is a great armchair philosopher and “Monday Morning Quarterback.”

The Useful Idiot is not the same as a person who honestly has a different point of view. A society without honest and open differences of views is a dead society. Critical, different and fresh ideas are the life blood of a living society—the very anathema of autocracies where the official position is sacrosanct.

Even a “normal” person spends a great deal more energy aiming to fix things out there than working to overcome his own flaws and shortcomings, or contribute positively to the larger society. People don’t like to take stock of what they are doing or not doing that is responsible for the conditions they disapprove.

But the Useful Idiot takes things much farther. The Useful Idiot, among other things, is a master practitioner of scapegoating. He assigns blame to others while absolving himself of responsibility, has a long handy list of candidates for blaming anything and everything, and by living a distorted life, he contributes to the ills of society.

The Useful Idiot may even engage in willful misinformation and deception when it suits him. Terms such as “Political Islam,” or “Radical Islam,” for instance, are contributions of the Useful Idiot. These terms do not even exist in the native parlance of Islam, simply because they are redundant. Islam, by its very nature and according to its charter—the Quran—is a radical political movement. It is the Useful Idiot who sanitizes Islam and misguides the populace by saying that the “real Islam” constitutes the main body of the religion; and, that this main body is non-political and moderate.

Regrettably, a large segment of the population goes along with these nonsensical euphemisms depicting Islam because it prefers to believe them. It is less threatening to believe that only a hijacked small segment of Islam is radical or politically driven and that the main body of Islam is indeed moderate and non-political.

But Islam is political to the core. In Islam the mosque and state are one and the same—the mosque is the state. This arrangement goes back to the days of Muhammad himself. Islam is also radical in the extreme. Even the “moderate” Islam is radical in its beliefs as well as its deeds. Muslims believe that all non-Muslims, bar none, are hellfire bound and well-deserve being maltreated compared to believers.

No radical barbaric act of depravity is unthinkable for Muslims in dealing with others. They have destroyed precious statues of Buddha, leveled sacred monuments of other religions, and bulldozed the cemeteries of non-Muslims—a few examples of their utter extreme contempt toward others.

Muslims are radical even in their intrafaith dealings. Various sects and sub-sects pronounce other sects and sub-sects as heretics worthy of death; women are treated as chattel, deprived of many rights; hands are chopped for stealing even a loaf of bread; sexual violation is punished by stoning, and much much more. These are standard day-to-day ways of the mainstream “moderate” Muslims living under the stone-age laws of Sharia.

The “moderate” mainstream of Islam has been outright genocidal from inception. Their own historians record that Ali, the first imam of the Shiite and the son-in-law of Muhammad, with the help of another man, beheaded 700 Jewish men in the presence of the Prophet himself. The Prophet of Allah and his disciples took the murdered men’s women and children in slavery. Muslims have been, and continue to be, the most vicious and shameless practitioners of slavery. The slave trade, even today, is a thriving business in some Islamic lands where wealthy, perverted sheikhs purchase children of the poor from traffickers for their sadistic gratification.

Muslims are taught deception and lying in the Quran itself—something that Muhammad practiced during his life whenever he found it expedient. Successive Islamic rulers and leaders have done the same. Khomeini, the founder of the 1979 Iranian Revolution, for instance, rallied the people under the banner of democracy. All along his support for democracy was not a commitment of an honest man, but a ruse. As soon as he gathered the reins of power, Khomeini went after the Useful Idiots of his time with vengeance. These best children of Iran, having been thoroughly deceived and used by the crafty phony populist-religionist, had to flee the country to avoid the fate of tens of thousands who were imprisoned or executed by the double-crossing imam.

Almost three decades after the tragic Islamic Revolution of 1979, the suffocating rule of Islam casts its death-bearing pal over Iranians. A proud people with enviable heritage is being systematically purged of its sense of identity and forced to think and behave like the barbaric and intolerant Muslims. Iranians who had always treated women with equality, for instance, have seen them reduced by the stone-age clergy to sub-human status of Islamic teaching. Any attempt by the women of Iran to counter the misogynist rule of Muhammad’s mullahs is mercilessly suppressed. Women are beaten, imprisoned, raped and killed just as men are slaughtered without due process or mercy.

The lesson is clear. Beware of the Useful Idiots who live in liberal democracies. Knowingly or unknowingly, they serve as the greatest volunteer and effective soldiers of Islam. They pave the way for the advancement of Islam and they will assuredly be among the very first victims of Islam as soon as it assumes power.

[thereisonlywe]

Only read the Koran once, but it did say there somewhere that belief cannot be forced..

Any Muslims in the room? Am I right about this?:mad:confused:

"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Nor am I going to serve that which you serve, Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve: You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion." (Quran 109:1-6)"

Additionally, not all people who say "I am Muslim" is a Muslim. Eternal spirit, the people you are talking about are addressed by this ayat: "And make not Allah's (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for Allah is One Who heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 2:224)

Furthermore, there are some people who live like Christians and Jews, but in truth they are Muslims. Simply because, your faith on paper is not your faith. It is how you think, how you act, how you pray, what you expect from life and what you give. "Abraham was not a Jew, nor yet a Christian; but he was an upright man who had surrendered (to Allah), and he was not of the idolaters." (Quran 3:67)

I am talking to all of you: Please learn Islam from Quran, not from some countries and their claims. Religion is a tool for countries and it will always be. WAKE UP!

But also know that some ayats are open to interpretation. If you get confused, ask me and I will do the best I can to explain what a certain ayat means.

Thank you,
Love&Peace

[mightyoak]

[I]



Furthermore, there are some people who live like Christians and Jews, but in truth they are Muslims.

Thank you,
Love&Peace

What a load off bollox

[turquoisefire777]

Slavery of Black Muslim Africans in Modern Arab Muslim Country for 800 years

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ytd6GUM7Xg&feature=related

[turquoisefire777]

ALFRED MUTUA: WHY MUSLIM CLERIC ABDULLAH AL-FAISAL IS UNWANTED IN KENYA

ALFRED MUTUA: WHY MUSLIM CLERIC ABDULLAH AL-FAISAL IS UNWANTED IN KENYA - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1b85kOE_wc&feature=related

[mightyoak]

The statement was BOLLOX'S sometimes spelt BOLLOCK;s

So why are christains and jews really muslims ?

[thereisonlywe]

You forgot to quote the rest.

Simply because, your faith on paper is not your faith. It is how you think, how you act, how you pray, what you expect from life and what you give. "Abraham was not a Jew, nor yet a Christian; but he was an upright man who had surrendered (to Allah), and he was not of the idolaters." (Quran 3:67)

"When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims." (Quran 3:52)

"And when I inspired the Apostles: "Believe in Me and My Messenger"; they said, "We believe; witness Thou our submission."'" (Quran 5:111)

"Moses said: "O my people! If ye do (really) believe in Allah, then in Him put your trust if ye submit (your will to His).""(Quran 10:84)

"We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam)."" (Quran 10:90)

And when it is recited to them, they say: "We believe therein, for it is the Truth from our Lord: indeed we have been Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will) from before this. (Quran 28:53)


If your religion whatever name you call it, is based on this: "Say you: 'We believe in God, and in that which has been sent down on us and sent down on Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob, and the Tribes, and that which was given to Moses and Jesus and the Prophets, of their Lord; we make no division between any of them, and to Him we surrender.'" (Quran 2:136), then you are a Muslim. The word Muslim means peacemaker by the way. In linguistics, it derives from the same root as Islam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-L-M

Hope this helps,
Love&Peace

[zarah]

What a load off bollox

Because? And I think you mean 'of' not 'off'

[mightyoak]

Because? And I think you mean 'of' not 'off'

NO I mean bollox or bollocks !!!! easy PEASY ? TO this pathetic statement

AGAIN jews and christains are really muslim

BOO:p

ya might fool ya simplistic infedel BUT some off us are aware off the tactics you use, I AM NOT affraid MY SUN shines whatEVER !

[thereisonlywe]

ya might fool ya simplistic infedel BUT some off us are aware off the tactics you use, I AM NOT affraid MY SUN shines whatEVER !

"For verily thou (Muhammad) canst not make the dead to hear, nor canst thou make the deaf to hear the call when they have turned to flee." (Quran 30:52)

"Thou shalt not guide the blind out of their error neither shalt thou make any to hear except for such as believe in Our signs, and so surrender." (Quran 30:53)

deaf, dumb, blind -- so they shall not return; (Quran 2:18)

Religion stems from love and peace and it is reached by knowledge and selflessness.

Love&Peace

[eternal_spirit]

February 22, 2009
PoliticalIslam.com
Bulletin of Christian Persecution, The Facts --
We Collect the Dots; You Connect Them
Lahore, Pakistan (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.journalchretien.net%2 Farticle17382.html): Two female nursing students were accused of blasphemy. The students are said to have desecrating verses of the Koran. It is believed that this is a trumped-up charge resulting from the students' roommates having been offended by a picture of Jesus hanging on the wall, which the roommates desecrated. A demonstration was staged against the students. 2/17 (Full Article and more at PoliticalIslam (http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/bulletin-of-christian-persecution-feb-13/)) Sangla Hill, Pakistan (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pakistanchristianpost .com%2Fviewnews.php%3Fnewsid%3D1331): A 13-year-old Christian girl was gang-raped by five Muslims when she went outside to take out the trash. She was kidnapped at gunpoint and taken to their neighborhood. Sangla Hill is the same city where 3 churches, 3 clerical residences, a high school, and the houses of 3 Christian families were destroyed in a riot in 2005 (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.franciscansinternatio nal.org%2Fnews%2Farticle.php%3Fid%3D928). 2/17
Shajwal, Pakistan (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pakistanchristianpost .com%2Fviewnews.php%3Fnewsid%3D1329): Three men murdered a Christian milkman after he demanded his paycheck. He was denied his wages for a month, and when he demanded to be paid his employers, two Muslim brothers and their nephew, taunted him with slurs and then killed him. 2/17
Cairo, Egypt (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.bbc.co.uk%2F2%2Fhi%2 Fmiddle_east%2F7888193.stm): The ongoing case of Maher al-Gohary, who is engaged in a legal battle to have his official documents changed to reflect his conversion from Islam to Christianity, is expected to wrap up soon. His is the second case of its kind in Egypt. He and his daughter live in fear for their lives, which are continually threatened. 2/13
Cairo, Egypt (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thememriblog.org%2Far abculture%2Fblog_personal%2Fen%2F13765.htm): Egypt's leading Christians are accusing Cairo's governor of trying Islamize the city by changing the names of some of the country's oldest areas from Christian to Islamic ones, thereby erasing their cultural heritage. The Coptic Pope's advisor has filed a lawsuit against the governor. 2/16
Cairo, Egypt (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fcopts.com%2Fenglish1%2Fin dex.php%2F2009%2F02%2F18%2Fislam-for-women-only%2F): A Salafi cleric has called for the Islamization of millions of Coptic women in order to eliminate the "Nazarenes of Egypt." Coptic activists have discussed the planned, organized Islamization of Coptic women, but this provides the first concrete evidence of this scheme, which involves "assault." 2/18
Tenth of Ramadan, Egypt (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fcopts.com%2Fenglish1%2Fin dex.php%2F2009%2F02%2F08%2Fdaughter-of-conver-attempts-suicide%2F): A Christian secondary schoolgirl attempted suicide after being required to take an Islamic religion test. Her father converted to Islam from Christianity, which makes her a Muslim according to Egyptian law. Per a 2007 ministerial decree children of converts are to be exempted from studying Islam until the issue of their official religion is resolved in court. 2/8
Hizankeh, Iraq (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.christiansofiraq.com% 2Fassyriangirlrapedandkilled.html): An Assyrian was girl abducted, raped, and killed by a Kurdish crime family. She was found in the Khazar River ten days after her disappearance. Forensic evidence demonstrates that she did not die from drowning. Officials seem to be complicit in hiding evidence. 2/10
Nineveh Plain, Iraq (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aina.org%2Freleases%2 F20090211180246.htm): A report released by the Assyria Council of Europe (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.assyriacouncil.eu%2F) highlights widespread election violations against Assyrians in North Iraq. Violence, threats and other means of pressure prevented thousands of Assyrians in the Nineveh plain from experiencing a free and fair election. The winning group, which is Kurdish-backed, is accused of having pressured voters using a variety of means. 2/12
Mataya, Turkey (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.compassdirect.org%2Fe n%2Fdisplay.php%3Fpage%3Dnews%26lang%3Den%26length %3Dlong%26idelement%3D5806): Two more arrests have been made in the murder cases of three Christians and charges have been filed. One suspect is a former worker at a Christian publishing house where the murders took place and the other is an ex-journalist with suspected ties to a group which tried to stage a political coup. It is believed that the murders were part of a large plan to create chaos in the country. 2/12
Midyat, Turkey (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aina.org%2Freleases%2 F20090216202204.htm): The Turkish state has rescheduled the hearing for the different cases concerning the land dispute over St. Gabriel Monastery. This is the third time the hearing has been rescheduled. The monastery is one of the world's oldest. 2/17
Adana, Turkey (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.compassdirect.org%2Fe n%2Fdisplay.php%3Fpage%3Dnews%26lang%3Den%26length %3Dlong%26idelement%3D5817%26backpage%3Dsummaries% 26critere%3D%26countryname%3D%26rowcur%3D): The Turkish Bible Society bookshop was vandalized for the second time in a week after having received threats from Muslim nationalists. The Turkish state perpetrates a "milieu" of mistrust" toward Christians through portraying them negatively in the media and making "missionary activities" a crime, according to a report from the Alliance of Protestant Churches of Turkey. 2/17
Tehran, Iran (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.compassdirect.org%2Fe n%2Fdisplay.php%3Fpage%3Dnews%26lang%3Den%26length %3Dlong%26idelement%3D5803%26backpage%3Dsummaries% 26critere%3D%26countryname%3D%26rowcur%3D): A couple who converted to Christianity from Islam were arrested on 1/21/09 and released on bail. The charges against them are unknown, but they fear being charged with apostacy, which is punishable by execution in Iran. Another has been incarcerated since August. 73 arrests of Christians in Iran were recorded in 2008 and more are expected to take place since it is an election year. 2/9
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.compassdirect.org%2Fe n%2Fdisplay.php%3Fpage%3Dnews%26lang%3Den%26length %3Dlong%26idelement%3D5781%26backpage%3Dsummaries% 26critere%3D%26countryname%3D%26rowcur%3D): A prominent Eritrean pastor of a church of over 300 foreign-born Christians has fled Riyadh after having been threatened with death 3 times in one week, once by the religious police. He fled without his wife and 8 children, who relocated to Egypt in 2007. 1/30
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fthepersecutiontimes.com%2 Fsaudi-arabia-arrests-christian-blogger-for-conversion-publicity%2F2009%2F01%2F31%2F%23more-358): Authorities have arrested a 28-year-old man for discussing his conversion from Islam to Christianity and on his website (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fchristforsaudi.blogspot.c om%2F), which is blocked in the kingdom. He was arrested twice before for similar "offenses." The last time he was released was in November, just in time for Saudi-initiated interfaith dialogue at the UN. 1/31
U.K. (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnew s%2Farticle-1145259%2FMuslim-girl-baptism-row-fleeing-arranged-marriage.html): A Muslim girl who converted to Christianity from Islam has been removed from the home of her carer after she chose to be baptised. She was placed in a foster home because her father beat her and threatened to send her to Pakistan for a forced marriage. Her carer, who has fostered more than 80 children, did nothing to encourage her to convert and has a perfect 10-year record. 2/14
Sheffield, England (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fcom ment%2Ftelegraph-view%2F4579793%2FMuslim-parents-should-accept-the-law-of-the-land.html): The "marvelous" head teacher of a primary school has resigned after being accused of racism by parents of Muslim students. The accusation comes after she proposed that the school stop holding separate assemblies for Muslim children at the school in favor of assemblies which would include all pupils. 2/10
U.K. (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fcopts.com%2Fenglish1%2Fin dex.php%2F2009%2F02%2F05%2Furgent-save-three-innocent-coptic-children-by-signing-this-petition%2F): Three Coptic children have been placed with a Muslim foster family. They were taken by social services after their parents divorced and were originally placed in the custody of the city mosque. The authority has refused to return the children to the custody of the Coptic Church without a petition (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=13332917&msgid=218036&act=MIJC&c=162528&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stmark.org.uk%2Findex .php%3F) bearing 10,000 signatures. 2/5
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PoliticalIslam.com (http://www.politicalislam.com/)
Mission Statemen: Islam is a cultural, religious and political system. Only the political system is of interest to kafirs (non-Muslims) since it determines how we are defined and treated. The Islamic political system is contained in the Koran, the Hadith (the traditions of Mohammed) and his biography, the Sira. Our mission is to educate the world about political Islam, its founder Mohammed, his political doctrine and his god, Allah.

[eternal_spirit]

We are a group of Muslim apostates, who have left Islam out of our own conviction when we discovered that Islam is not a religion at all. Most of us took a prolong period of time to study, evaluate, and contemplate on, this religion of our birth. Having meticulously scrutinized Islam, we concluded that it is not a religion of peace at all, as touted by smooth-talking, self-serving Muslims and their apologists from non-Muslim from backgrounds. The core of Islam—that is, the Qur'an, Hadis and Sharia—is filled with unbounded hatred for the unbelievers, unbelievably intolerant toward them and extremely cruel and merciless to Muslims, who dare to deviate from its doctrine.



We also realized that Islam is beyond alteration, because Muslims—who attempt to modernize and reform its unremitting bigotry, irrational rituals and its cruel and draconian punitive measures—are targeted for annihilation. Our verdict was that the only way to escape from the tyranny of Islam is to leave it altogether. We have, therefore, discarded Islam from our lives so that we can be free to enjoy a normal, pleasant and humane life in complete harmony with all peoples on earth, irrespective of their religion, race or creed.
Having thoroughly understood—through our meticulous investigation of Islam, lasting years to decades—that Islam was nothing but a lie, most of us have left Islam silently because of the fear for our lives. As Islamic terrorism and violence overwhelms the world, particularly in the post-9/11 years, we felt that it's a responsibility upon us to make world's 1.4 billion Muslims aware of the falsity of their religion and its cruel nature so that they can make informed choice and leave Islam to live with love, respect and harmony with rest of humanity.
We also felt it incumbent upon us to make the non-Muslim world aware of the reality of Islam and take timely precautionary measures against this religion of terror, hate and mayhem. We tell the world that the ongoing terrorism, unleashed by Islamic militants, is not an aberration from the so-called 'peaceful religion of Islam'; instead, it is the real Islam preached and practiced by its founder, Prophet Muhammad. A thorough study of the Qur'an and prophetic tradition (Hadith, Sunnah) makes it clear.
We, therefore, have launched this website to expose the "real Islam"—the Islam that is determined to replace the modern civilization with the 7th-century Arab Bedouin barbarism, peddled as the true Islamic Civilization. Let the world watch Islam through www.islam-watch.org (http://www.islam-watch.org//) and be warned.
'Islam Watch' is founded by a few Muslim apostates. Hailing mainly from South Asia, some of us left Islam after the 9/11; others have been apostates since prior to that. We aim to establish that Islam is false. We feel that it needs to be emasculated, marginalized or eliminated altogether, if the Muslim world wants to come out of its current backwardness and quagmire, characterized by poverty, corruption, illiteracy, violence, misrule and tyranny, in which they have been thrown in due to Islamic indoctrination.
To learn more about why some of us have left Islam, please read these testimonies:

Founders & members:


M. A. Khan (USA, Editor)
Abul Kasem (Australia)
Dr. Ali Sina (USA)
M. A. Hussain (Australia)
Sher Khan (USA)
Syed Kamran Mirza (USA)
Mumin Salih (UK)


We challenge Muslims to debate on these assertions.


We assert that Islam is not a religion of peace but is founded on war, violence, terrorism, hate and injustice.
We affirm that Islam is a false religion.
We conclude that Islam is responsible for rampant corruption, widespread misrule, implausible tyranny, mindless terrorism, unrelenting violence and pervasive social injustice in the Muslim world


Our ultimate aim is to guide Muslims out of the fold of Islam. We also expect that critical voice against Islam will render it somewhat benign.
We plan to achieve our goals in the following manners:


We will criticize and expose the real truth about Islam without minding about any political correctness, whatsoever.
We will establish that Islam is false, that it is not revealed by any God, but was created by Prophet Muhammad himself to fulfill his greed, ego and ambition.
We will prove that Islam has nothing to do with peace; instead, it is a dangerous cult founded through violence, terror, plunder and extreme injustice by its founder, Muhammad.
We will prove that Islam is incompatible with the modern world. Islamic precepts stand in contravention to the concept of democracy, tolerance, human rights and gender equality and hence is dangerous for modern civilization.
We will demonstrate that Islamic terrorism, as witnessed today, is sanctioned by Islam. Terrorists did not hijack Islam; instead, Islam itself has hijacked some otherwise good human beings and turned them into machines for terror, murder and destruction.
We will also awaken the non-Muslim world, especially the West, about the short-term and long-term dangers Islam to their good and benevolent society.
As nontheistic humanists, we strongly affirm that human life should be guided by human conscience, wisdom and judgment based on the Golden Rules. This is an ever-changing, dynamic, process; as people gain new experience, scientific knowledge and insights into the workings of the world and human life, our ethical wisdom would change. Opposed to religious doctrines, no particular set of rules or values should be considered absolute and universal. We propagate that 'Live your own life and let other live theirs, as long as they don't harm and cause nuisance to others'.
"Islam Watch" will be dominated by ex-Muslim and moderate Muslim writers. We will make some room for non-Muslim authors to help us gauge how the non-Muslim world grasps the truth about Islam.
To create a critical mass of critics of Islam from Muslim backgrounds, one of our missions will be to create new writers, critical of Islam, from amongst Muslims. We will put maximum effort in nurturing these nascent talents. To this end, we will urge Muslim writers to pen their critical thoughts on Islam, regardless of how good they are, and we will try to accommodate them in our website.
Although "Islam Watch" has been launched by ex-Muslims coming mainly from South Asia, we aim to connect to Muslim apostates and critics from all corners of the world. We encourage them from all parts of the world to voice their opinions through "Islam Watch".
"Islam Watch" will publish a comprehensive daily news concerning Islam from all corners of the world so as to keep our readers updated with the state of affairs of Islam worldwide. This, we hope, will transform "Islam Watch" into a unique hub for readers interested in the truth and reality of Islam from all corners of the world.
We will publish a select number of Op-Ed/Articles of non-Muslim authors of strongly secular conviction. Selection of articles by non-Muslim authors would be solely at discretion of the editors.





http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php...d=49&Itemid=55 (http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&Itemid=55)

[eternal_spirit]

"An Islamic regime must be serious in every field," explained Ayatollah Khomeini. "There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humour in Islam. There is no fun in Islam."
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/3809/1711/1600/588681/khomeini.jpg

Don't think he's joking either!

We are neither amused! But at least he's honest about what his version Islam is about.

[eternal_spirit]

In this photo taken on Saturday, Sept. 5, 2009, a pilgrim carries an image of Jesus Christ while waiting for transportation during the 60th Christian Festival of Mother Mary in the village of Mariamabad, Sheikhupura district, Pakistan. Every year since 1949 thousands of Christians get together at the catholic village of Mariamabad to pay homage to Mother Mary.

Taliban enacts Muhammad's raids and plunder of non-Muslims communities. What might seem outrageous is all in the Koran. The women as slaves, the jizya and so on..


Washington, D.C. (October 16, 2009)–International Christian Concern (ICC (http://www.persecution.org/suffering/ICCnews/newsdetail.php?newscode=10993&title=taliban-in-pakistan-warns-christian-leaders-to-convert-to-islam)) has learned that on October 6, members of the Taliban sent threatening letters in Sargodha, Pakistan warning Christian leaders to convert to Islam or face dire consequences.

A copy of the letter obtained by ICC warns Christians to convert to Islam, pay Jizya tax (an Islamic tax imposed on religious minorities) or leave the country. If Christians refuse to accept the choices given to them, the letter explains that they “would be killed, their property and homes would be burnt to ashes and their women would be treated as sex slaves. And they themselves would be responsible for this.”

Rev. Zaheer Khan, Pastor of Maghoo Memorial Church, Rev. Aamir Azeem, pastor of United Christians Church and Rev. Zafar Akhter, pastor of United Presbyterian Church each received a copy of threatening letter.

The Islamists sent the letters to the following Christian institutions: St Peter’s Middle School, Sargodha Institute of Technology, Sargodha Catholic High School, St John's Primary School and Fatima Hospital.

Besides the Christian institutions, the letter was also sent to the main Immam-Bar-Gha (Shiite Muslim’s gathering hall). Shiites are a minority Muslim group in Pakistan where the majority of the population is Sunni Muslim.

ICC’s Jonathan Racho said, “Christians in Pakistan are soft targets for attacks by Islamic extremists. Over the past four months alone, 12 Christians have been killed by Muslims due to their faith. We are alarmed by the increase in attacks against Christians in Pakistan. We urge Pakistani officials to take the threatening letters seriously and take measures to protect the Christians and their institutions from attacks.”

Please contact the embassy of Pakistan in your country to bring this situation to their attention and ask them to protect Christians from violence.



Loads more stories here

http://islamizationwatch.blogspot.com/2009_10_11_archive.html

[flickflack]

You must be exhausted

* Quoted Spam removed *

At first glance, this seemed like an original screen-print, but it is pretty obvious that you have been "clipping" it. It is not threads created in chronological order at all. You have been digging it up, to make him look bad, I guess.

[1964]

Hey there ES,

Serious question. Exactly what is it you're trying to accomplish? I could be wrong, but I suspect it's not as simple as you just wanting everyone to hate Muslims. Seems more like you have a specific purpose in mind with all this effort you're putting into it. Or am I wrong, and it really is just about hate?

[aitch]

At first glance, this seemed like an original screen-print, but it is pretty obvious that you have been "clipping" it. It is not threads created in chronological order at all. You have been digging it up, to make him look bad, I guess.Make him look bad ?? Eternal_Racist does a great job of doing that himself !! :rolleyes:

[zarah]

NO I mean bollox or bollocks !!!! easy PEASY ? TO this pathetic statement

AGAIN jews and christains are really muslim

BOO:p

ya might fool ya simplistic infedel BUT some off us are aware off the tactics you use, I AM NOT affraid MY SUN shines whatEVER !

Would you mind constucting a rant that my simplistic brain understands?

You have access to online games don't you? Whether it's the XBox or just gaming online...you play games regularly.

Have you ever seen Team America? You're just like one of the conditioned, generic characters the film was made to take the piss out of.

[zarah]

We are a group of Muslim apostates, who have left Islam out of our own conviction when we discovered that Islam is not a religion at all.

They don't quite tell us in this sentence how they came to the conclusion that Islam isn't a religion, or actually what it is if it isn't a religion. I would argue that as they do not belong to Islam, and as they have quite clearly stated that Islam isn't even a faith, they have no need to label themselves as Muslim.

Most of us took a prolong period of time to study, evaluate, and contemplate on, this religion of our birth. Having meticulously scrutinized Islam, we concluded that it is not a religion of peace at all, as touted by smooth-talking, self-serving Muslims and their apologists from non-Muslim from backgrounds. The core of Islam—that is, the Qur'an, Hadis and Sharia—is filled with unbounded hatred for the unbelievers, unbelievably intolerant toward them and extremely cruel and merciless to Muslims, who dare to deviate from its doctrine

The core of any faith is control of its flock - heretics were murdered if they even dared contradict the papacy in recorded history, as the papacy decreed they were closer to God than the rest of humanity. Thye seem to have made a few mistakes in the paragraphs as well - the terms 'hadis' is the plural of 'hadiths' and one must remember that only two books of hadiths are viewed as accurate, Sharia isn't the 'core of Islam' it came long after Muhammed's death in the 10th c, and the Quran states quite clearly that all Muslims require is the Quran and the sunnah, which isn't referred to in their blanket statement.

They also make no reference to the fact that the Quran was revealed in two different places, and at different periods, and reflects the struggles which Muhammed and his people were experiencing at these different periods. Perhaps that's the point though, eh?


We also realized that Islam is beyond alteration, because Muslims—who attempt to modernize and reform its unremitting bigotry, irrational rituals and its cruel and draconian punitive measures—are targeted for annihilation.

Annihilation, eh? Such as who? Ahh, thet give no examples. Quelle surprise.



Our verdict was that the only way to escape from the tyranny of Islam is to leave it altogether. We have, therefore, discarded Islam from our lives so that we can be free to enjoy a normal, pleasant and humane life in complete harmony with all peoples on earth, irrespective of their religion, race or creed.


That's lovely. So why do they have a petition on their first page to stop Muslim immigration? Curiouser and curiouser.

Having thoroughly understood—through our meticulous investigation of Islam, lasting years to decades—

Which failed to note that the Quran states that the Quran and sunnah are all a Muslim needs to be faithful...

that Islam was nothing but a lie, most of us have left Islam silently because of the fear for our lives.


Not that silently..they built a big website.

As Islamic terrorism and violence overwhelms the world, particularly in the post-9/11 years,

I I think all this sentence requires is a bit of bolding..

Although I must say, how organised the Muslims terrorists were, hijaking planes, delaying air force action until all the planes had crashed, conducting silmutaneous war games for that morning, bringing 3 buildings down by controlled demolition after they had died, dipping passports in a liquid which made them plane-crah proof,....

And then...look at how Muslim countries have benefitted from 911, 7/7 and everything inbetween...1,300,000 dead Iraqis, heroin supplies back to record levels pre-Taliban, 1,000s of dead Afghanis, Palestine still as occupied as before, Iraq's oil supplies privatised, Iraq decimated,....fabulous game plan. Well done Muslim terrorists - in cui bono terms America came out smelling like the fattest cat of all fat cats.

we felt that it's a responsibility upon us to make world's 1.4 billion Muslims aware of the falsity of their religion and its cruel nature so that they can make informed choice and leave Islam to live with love, respect and harmony with rest of humanity.

But don't come to the UK or the US cos they don't want you. Practice love and humanity in your own country - if you can keep alive long enough too. Serves you right for being jealous of the west's freedoms.

We also felt it incumbent upon us to make the non-Muslim world aware of the reality of Islam and take timely precautionary measures against this religion of terror, hate and mayhem.

I think we're gonna have to find out what these measures are on our own...

We tell the world that the ongoing terrorism, unleashed by Islamic militants, is not an aberration from the so-called 'peaceful religion of Islam'; instead, it is the real Islam preached and practiced by its founder, Prophet Muhammad. A thorough study of the Qur'an and prophetic tradition (Hadith, Sunnah) makes it clear.

A finally - a mention of the sunnah. Unleashed...by ..Islamic...militants...totally unprovoked quite obviously.

We, therefore, have launched this website to expose the "real Islam"—the Islam that is determined to replace the modern civilization with the 7th-century Arab Bedouin barbarism, peddled as the true Islamic Civilization. Let the world watch Islam through www.islam-watch.org (http://www.islam-watch.org//) and be warned.

And a video? We're spolied.

'Islam Watch' is founded by a few Muslim apostates. Hailing mainly from South Asia, some of us left Islam after the 9/11; others have been apostates since prior to that. We aim to establish that Islam is false. We feel that it needs to be emasculated, marginalized or eliminated altogether, if the Muslim world wants to come out of its current backwardness and quagmire, characterized by poverty, corruption, illiteracy, violence, misrule and tyranny, in which they have been thrown in due to Islamic indoctrination.
To learn more about why some of us have left Islam, please read these testimonies:

Still no facts, just more of the same....

Founders & members:


M. A. Khan (USA, Editor)
Abul Kasem (Australia)
Dr. Ali Sina (USA)
M. A. Hussain (Australia)
Sher Khan (USA)
Syed Kamran Mirza (USA)
Mumin Salih (UK)


Oh look, they all live in the west. Lucky for them Muslim immigration was still permitted when they wanted to move.

We challenge Muslims to debate on these assertions.

Great, some facts. At last.



We assert that Islam is not a religion of peace but is founded on war, violence, terrorism, hate and injustice.

Without putting the era into context? Isn't that slightly ignorant of such obviously learned scholars, who spent years, nay decades studying Islam?



We affirm that Islam is a false religion.
We conclude that Islam is responsible for rampant corruption, widespread misrule, implausible tyranny, mindless terrorism, unrelenting violence and pervasive social injustice in the Muslim world



How is it false? Not stated.

Islam isn't responsible, Muslims are responsible. Why would such scholars fail to make the distinct separation? Any ideas?


Our ultimate aim is to guide Muslims out of the fold of Islam. We also expect that critical voice against Islam will render it somewhat benign.
We plan to achieve our goals in the following manners:

[LIST]
We will criticize and expose the real truth about Islam without minding about any political correctness, whatsoever.


Great. So any facts now? No?

We will establish that Islam is false, that it is not revealed by any God, but was created by Prophet Muhammad himself to fulfill his greed, ego and ambition.

Any evidence? I'm sure all of the anti-Islamic scholars working for Fox news would love to see what you've unearthed during your years, nay decades, of research.

I've totally bored nyself, so I'm going to spend some time researching who these 'Muslim apostates' are.

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by nioz View Post
You must be exhausted



At first glance, this seemed like an original screen-print, but it is pretty obvious that you have been "clipping" it. It is not threads created in chronological order at all. You have been digging it up, to make him look bad, I guess.

29 threads on Islam in over 3 years wow I have been busy. Although I have made 445 threads about various other topics and was looking through some recently I counted about 29 threads I'd made about Satanism.

I think I should make at least another 29 threads about Islam. <-_->
I think other members have made over a 100 threads about one topic.

[picha]

They don't quite tell us in this sentence how they came to the conclusion that Islam isn't a religion, or actually what it is if it isn't a religion. I would argue that as they do not belong to Islam, and as they have quite clearly stated that Islam isn't even a faith, they have no need to label themselves as Muslim.



The core of any faith is control of its flock - heretics were murdered if they even dared contradict the papacy in recorded history, as the papacy decreed they were closer to God than the rest of humanity. Thye seem to have made a few mistakes in the paragraphs as well - the terms 'hadis' is the plural of 'hadiths' and one must remember that only two books of hadiths are viewed as accurate, Sharia isn't the 'core of Islam' it came long after Muhammed's death in the 10th c, and the Quran states quite clearly that all Muslims require is the Quran and the sunnah, which isn't referred to in their blanket statement.

They also make no reference to the fact that the Quran was revealed in two different places, and at different periods, and reflects the struggles which Muhammed and his people were experiencing at these different periods. Perhaps that's the point though, eh?




Annihilation, eh? Such as who? Ahh, thet give no examples. Quelle surprise.






That's lovely. So why do they have a petition on their first page to stop Muslim immigration? Curiouser and curiouser.



Which failed to note that the Quran states that the Quran and sunnah are all a Muslim needs to be faithful...




Not that silently..they built a big website.



I I think all this sentence requires is a bit of bolding..

Although I must say, how organised the Muslims terrorists were, hijaking planes, delaying air force action until all the planes had crashed, conducting silmutaneous war games for that morning, bringing 3 buildings down by controlled demolition after they had died, dipping passports in a liquid which made them plane-crah proof,....

And then...look at how Muslim countries have benefitted from 911, 7/7 and everything inbetween...1,300,000 dead Iraqis, heroin supplies back to record levels pre-Taliban, 1,000s of dead Afghanis, Palestine still as occupied as before, Iraq's oil supplies privatised, Iraq decimated,....fabulous game plan. Well done Muslim terrorists - in cui bono terms America came out smelling like the fattest cat of all fat cats.



But don't come to the UK or the US cos they don't want you. Practice love and humanity in your own country - if you can keep alive long enough too. Serves you right for being jealous of the west's freedoms.



I think we're gonna have to find out what these measures are on our own...



A finally - a mention of the sunnah. Unleashed...by ..Islamic...militants...totally unprovoked quite obviously.



And a video? We're spolied.



Still no facts, just more of the same....



Oh look, they all live in the west. Lucky for them Muslim immigration was still permitted when they wanted to move.



Great, some facts. At last.



Without putting the era into context? Isn't that slightly ignorant of such obviously learned scholars, who spent years, nay decades studying Islam?



How is it false? Not stated.

Islam isn't responsible, Muslims are responsible. Why would such scholars fail to make the distinct separation? Any ideas?





Great. So any facts now? No?



Any evidence? I'm sure all of the anti-Islamic scholars working for Fox news would love to see what you've unearthed during your years, nay decades, of research.

I've totally bored nyself, so I'm going to spend some time researching who these 'Muslim apostates' are.

In all my life, I have never come across anyone who is as illogical and as incapable of being objective as you. You really are a very silly woman.

[zarah]

In all my life, I have never come across anyone who is as illogical and as incapable of being objective as you. You really are a very silly woman.

Do you think 'illogical' means 'gorgeous', 'objective' means 'unsexy' and 'silly' means 'delectable'? In which case I agree. :)

Although I hope you aren't making a pass at me...I can't do online bi-dating.

[loveisthelaw]

29 threads on Islam in over 3 years wow I have been busy. Although I have made 445 threads about various other topics and was looking through some recently I counted about 29 threads I'd made about Satanism.

I think I should make at least another 29 threads about Islam. <-_->.

Quality is better than quantity :)

[stopthemadness]

I have a better idea. Let's nuke the Temple Mount. Give a 2 week notice for everyone to evacuate the area, nuke it, & move on with life.

It will be uninhabitable for thousands of years (we'll throw in some depleted uranium every now & then to keep it hot).

No Temple Mount = no retarded monkey fighting over religion.

Problem-Reaction-Solution

[1964]

I have a better idea. Let's nuke the Temple Mount. Give a 2 week notice for everyone to evacuate the area, nuke it, & move on with life.

It will be uninhabitable for thousands of years (we'll throw in some depleted uranium every now & then to keep it hot).

No Temple Mount = no retarded monkey fighting over religion.

Problem-Reaction-Solution

Do you know how bizarre it is that you would say that? Jesus Christ has already prophesied that the third, and final, world war will be ignited in the Middle East. And here you are, 2,000 years later, calling for it.

[picha]

Do you know how bizarre it is that you would say that? Jesus Christ has already prophesied that the third, and final, world war will be ignited in the Middle East. And here you are, 2,000 years later, calling for it.

Well if we nuke 'em hard enough then it will be all over extremely quickly.

[1964]

Well if we nuke 'em hard enough then it will be all over extremely quickly.

As a matter of fact, it's already been prophesied that unless God, Himself, had not shortened the days, then mankind would have succeeded in annihilating himself. But for the sake of the elect, who are God's Own people, God has said He is going to cut the days short. Think about when this was written, thousands of years ago, and look at where we are today.

First, the Antichrist is going to make sure people are scared enough - so that when he offers them false global peace, they'll take the bait. Then, exactly halfway through his 7 year peace treaty (3.5 years), the Antichrist will break his treaty and then hell will literally break loose on earth. Everyone who bought the lie will see they were deceived.

Here we are now, on the verge, with people being methodically whipped up into a scared frenzy. And you're declaring before God and everyone which side you've chosen to stand on. God is loving and merciful beyond our capacity to understand. He's willing (and He wants) to forgive us our sins, that are committed in ignorance of the truth. I hope you'll turn to Christ and repent of your own sins before your own time runs out. It's becoming more and more apparent that the time is running out for the whole world.

[tannah]

As a matter of fact, it's already been prophesied that unless God, Himself, had not shortened the days, then mankind would have succeeded in annihilating himself. But for the sake of the elect, who are God's Own people, God has said He is going to cut the days short. Think about when this was written, thousands of years ago, and look at where we are today.

First, the Antichrist is going to make sure people are scared enough - so that when he offers them false global peace, they'll take the bait. Then, exactly halfway through his 7 year peace treaty (3.5 years), the Antichrist will break his treaty and then hell will literally break loose on earth. Everyone who bought the lie will see they were deceived.

Here we are now, on the verge, with people being methodically whipped up into a scared frenzy. And you're declaring before God and everyone which side you've chosen to stand on. God is loving and merciful beyond our capacity to understand. He's willing (and He wants) to forgive us our sins, that are committed in ignorance of the truth. I hope you'll turn to Christ and repent of your own sins before your own time runs out. It's becoming more and more apparent that the time is running out for the whole world.

There is no time in God's Mind you idiot. "He wants to forgive us", but he can't? You're full of illusion man.

You are contributing to fear. Your God is liable to fill the streets with blood. You like that do you? God doesn't make choices, like our silly egos do. God is there, and can be accessed when one wants that life with all their heart.

And there is no elect. There is God and there is Illusion. Illusion is not man's destiny, and none of your brothers and sisters are to end up in eternal damnation, you phoney.

[stopthemadness]

As a matter of fact, it's already been prophesied that unless God, Himself, had not shortened the days, then mankind would have succeeded in annihilating himself. But for the sake of the elect, who are God's Own people, God has said He is going to cut the days short. Think about when this was written, thousands of years ago, and look at where we are today.

First, the Antichrist is going to make sure people are scared enough - so that when he offers them false global peace, they'll take the bait. Then, exactly halfway through his 7 year peace treaty (3.5 years), the Antichrist will break his treaty and then hell will literally break loose on earth. Everyone who bought the lie will see they were deceived.

Here we are now, on the verge, with people being methodically whipped up into a scared frenzy. And you're declaring before God and everyone which side you've chosen to stand on. God is loving and merciful beyond our capacity to understand. He's willing (and He wants) to forgive us our sins, that are committed in ignorance of the truth. I hope you'll turn to Christ and repent of your own sins before your own time runs out. It's becoming more and more apparent that the time is running out for the whole world.

Yeah, I guess I did let a little of the Error slip through there didn't I?

I'm still fighting my own inner demons. But then so are you, and everyone else for that matter.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058736004&postcount=63
Sorry Zarah but what ever information is produced it's never good enough and is never real or true as far as your concerned, There is no debating people with your mindset, a mind fully controlled brainwashed and signed up to Islam living in denial.

[zarah]

Pm me and we'll take it up there, oh but you can't can you, cos you're banned! (read it and weep sucker)
Glad you're banned means you can't spread you lies about me no more :D:D:D :cool::cool::cool:

Ummm....isn't that slightly condescending? Especially when you're vile at times yourself. I think that I should complain to the teachers about you when you make me feel sad in my tummy.

[zarah]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058736004&postcount=63
Sorry Zarah but what ever information is produced it's never good enough and is never real or true as far as your concerned, There is no debating people with your mindset, a mind fully controlled brainwashed and signed up to Islam living in denial.

No need to apoogise.

Here's my ongoing point - whatever you're showing me, it's all opinion which you try to pass as a trusim. Whether it's an informed opinion, whether there's an agenda behind the opinion, whether it's an ignorant opinion, it's not fact. That's the point. Islam's tenets are from the Quran and Sunnah, in accordance to that there are the five pillars which all Muslims should adhere to. When you and your friends do bother to gander into the Quran, you do so without any contextual or temporal frame of reference and seem to only do so when it supports an anti-Islamic ideology.

You consistently try to defame me for being 'conditioned' or 'brainwashed', and I consistently tell you that I'm not a practicing Muslim, so I don't defend Islam because I adhere to its teachings. I defend it because I have researched Arab history, the Quran and Sunnah, Muhammed, the impact of the Quran on Arab people at the time and throughout contemporary history, the history of God, the meaning of God throughout recorded history and geopolitical reasons why Islam is being vilified, that Islam is being deliberately targeted for currrent nwo benefit.

You quite clearly have done little else but google supporting arguments to your viewpoint. You tell me you've read the Quran and yet still don't seem to understand why contextual frames of reference are essential when reading any historical document, whether it's the Bible or the Quran.

The Bible was added to at least 4 times: By E who referred to God as Elohim, by J who referred to God as Jehovah, by P who added to chapters - Deutronomy and I can't remember the other, and another person whose label escapes me. Each writer interpreted folk tales and a God consciousness in their own way, giving very different characters to God in the old testament. it therefore becomes impossible to read the Bible without understanding its history in any reasoned manner.

The same is true of the Quran, which is a concept which you unfortunately fail to grasp. As I said in a previous thread, you present very similar characteristics to people who fear those that are different from their sense of self idenity. Your sense of self is wrapped up in your idea of culture, and you believe that your background and skin tone make you superior to those who are different. You attach to members here who agree with your mindset because you imagine group think reinforces how correct your opinion about the external world is, and disregard anyone who doesn't agree with you as lacking in understanding, conditioning or ignorance when in fact all you're doing is projecting your own failings.

[eternal_spirit]

No need to apoogise.

Here's my ongoing point - whatever you're showing me, it's all opinion which you try to pass as a trusim. Whether it's an informed opinion, whether there's an agenda behind the opinion, whether it's an ignorant opinion, it's not fact. That's the point. Islam's tenets are from the Quran and Sunnah, in accordance to that there are the five pillars which all Muslims should adhere to. When you and your friends do bother to gander into the Quran, you do so without any contextual or temporal frame of reference and seem to only do so when it supports an anti-Islamic ideology.

You consistently try to defame me for being 'conditioned' or 'brainwashed', and I consistently tell you that I'm not a practicing Muslim, so I don't defend Islam because I adhere to its teachings. I defend it because I have researched Arab history, the Quran and Sunnah, Muhammed, the impact of the Quran on Arab people at the time and throughout contemporary history, the history of God, the meaning of God throughout recorded history and geopolitical reasons why Islam is being vilified, that Islam is being deliberately targeted for currrent nwo benefit.

You quite clearly have done little else but google supporting arguments to your viewpoint. You tell me you've read the Quran and yet still don't seem to understand why contextual frames of reference are essential when reading any historical document, whether it's the Bible or the Quran.

The Bible was added to at least 4 times: By E who referred to God as Elohim, by J who referred to God as Jehovah, by P who added to chapters - Deutronomy and I can't remember the other, and another person whose label escapes me. Each writer interpreted folk tales and a God consciousness in their own way, giving very different characters to God in the old testament. it therefore becomes impossible to read the Bible without understanding its history in any reasoned manner.

The same is true of the Quran, which is a concept which you unfortunately fail to grasp. As I said in a previous thread, you present very similar characteristics to people who fear those that are different from their sense of self idenity. Your sense of self is wrapped up in your idea of culture, and you believe that your background and skin tone make you superior to those who are different. You attach to members here who agree with your mindset because you imagine group think reinforces how correct your opinion about the external world is, and disregard anyone who doesn't agree with you as lacking in understanding, conditioning or ignorance when in fact all you're doing is projecting your own failings.
More lies and ignorance from you. Just want a reaction so you call me names and attach false labels. Nothing new here. Good bye.

[eternal_spirit]

Christian girl aged 21/2 raped then left to die for the greater glory of Allah.

For some reason the BBC (http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/bbc-appeasement-self-loathing.html) didn't report this story (http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/12/29/12289696-sun.html), probably to avoid damaging Community Cohesion. (http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/02/community-cohesion-and-muslims.html)
"Baby Neeha, at the age of 21/2, was raped by the son of her father's employer and left to die by the roadside, he said. No one was arrested for the crime.
These horrific events took place because her father, who was Christian, refused to give in to pressure from his Muslim employer to convert to Islam," El Shafie said.
The family went underground in Pakistan to hide from Muslim extremists who were seeking revenge for their non-conversion, he said.
"The family has lived for years in hiding and in constant fear of being discovered by the employer's family or Islamic extremists," El Shafie said. "We are thrilled that she's finally in Canada."

[zarah]

More lies and ignorance from you. Just want a reaction so you call me names and attach false labels. Nothing new here. Good bye.

In other words, you can't address any points coherently, so you won't bother.

Care to bold any lie which I told in that post?

Any name calling?

False labels?

Of course not. This is my point, you can't do anything but copy paste your google finds. Your opinion doesn't go deeper than that.