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real6
04-06-2009, 08:37 PM
Police ‘arrest innocent youths for their DNA’, officer claims
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5444332/Police-arrest-innocent-youths-for-their-DNA-officer-claims.html
Officers are targeting children as young as 10 with the aim of placing their DNA profiles on the national database to improve their chances of solving crimes, it is claimed.
The alleged practice is also described as part of a "long-term crime prevention strategy" to dissuade youths from committing offences in the future.
The claim comes amid widespread criticism of government proposals to store DNA profiles of innocent people, including some children, on the database for up to 12 years.
Civil liberty campaigners have condemned the tactic of as "diabolical" and said it showed contempt for children's freedom.
A Metropolitan Police officer made the claims after figures were released showing that 386 under-18s had their DNA taken and stored by police last year in Camden, north London.
The officer said: "Have we got targets for young people who have not been arrested yet? The answer is yes. But we are not just waiting outside schools to pick them up, we are acting on intelligence.
"It is part of a long-term crime prevention strategy. If you know you have had your DNA taken and it is on a database then you will think twice about committing burglary for a living.
"We are often told that we have just one chance to get that DNA sample and if we miss it then that might mean a rape or a murder goes unsolved in the future."
Last month the Home Office drew up plans to amend the DNA database after the European Court of Human Rights ruled that a blanket policy of retaining profiles of innocent people indefinitely was illegal.
However, adults and children arrested, but not convicted, of terrorism or serious sexual or violent offences will still have their profiles held for 12 years before they are deleted.
Children not convicted of any other offence will have profiles erased after six years or when they reach 18, whichever is sooner.
The Home Office announced last year that the DNA of children under 10 will not be retained.
Shami Chakrabarti, director of the human rights group Liberty, said: "This is diabolical and proof positive that Liberty's fears are being realised.
"The current law has created an incentive for the abuse of police power so that youngsters are being targeted purely for the purpose of stockpiling their DNA for the future.
"We hope that dealing with this outrage will be high on the list of priorities for any new Home Secretary.
"Politicians can no longer demand due process for themselves whilst showing such contempt for the freedoms of others."
Figures obtained via a Freedom of Information request show that a further 139 youths arrested in the Camden area have had their DNA profiles added to the database this year.
Lib Dem parliamentary candidate for Holborn and St Pancras, Jo Shaw, who applied for the data, said: "The Met and the Home Office have some serious explaining to do if this is the case.
"Innocent children should not have their DNA profiles kept for years."
There are an estimated 5.3 million profiles on the DNA database – accounting for about one in 10 people – making it the largest of its kind in the world.
However 850,000 are of people who were never convicted of any crime.
gilly
07-06-2009, 01:42 PM
http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-4414-0-8-8--.html
UK Police target youths with no criminal record for arrest to increase DNA samples on database
Published on 06-06-2009
Source: Daily Mail
Youths with no criminal record are being targeted for arrest so their DNA can be logged on a database in the event they commit crimes.
A total of 386 under-18s had their DNA taken and stored by police last year in one north London borough – more than one a day.
An experience officer working for the Metropolitan Police admitted the DNA was being stored as part of a ‘long-term crime prevention strategy’.
The officer said: ‘We are often told that we have just one chance to get that DNA sample and if we miss it then that might mean a rape or a murder goes unsolved in the future.’
He added: ‘Have we got targets for young people who have not been arrested yet? The answer is yes.
‘But we are not just waiting outside schools to pick them up, we are acting on intelligence.
‘If you know you have had your DNA taken and it is on a database then you will think twice about committing burglary for a living. Already this year some 169 under-18s have had their profiles uploaded.’
The officer, who asked not to be named, made the astonishing admission after a Freedom of Information request reveal the startling figures in Camden in London.
LibDem parliamentary candidate for Holborn and St Pancras, Jo Shaw, obtained the figures and was shocked at the findings.
Ms Shaw said: ‘Storing the DNA of innocent people as young as 10 is unlikely to solve Camden’s crime problems, but is a costly way of stigmatising young people.
‘If you’re innocent, you shouldn’t have your data kept for years. DNA samples, which are taken by police after an arrest is made, are turned into a number known as a profile and are kept on a national database indefinitely.’
Camden’s representative at the national Youth Parliament, Axel Landin, said: ‘Building a catalogue of people they think will be prominent criminals in the future sounds like a renegade justice system.
‘Someone who is not convicted of a crime is no more guilty in the eyes of the law than someone who has never been investigated so their DNA should be destroyed.
Chief Inspector Sean Wilson, of Camden Police, said: ‘The DNA database is a nationwide one.
‘Legislation governing the recording and retention of DNA is fully adhered to by Camden Police.’
New Government proposals state that youngsters who have only been arrested once for minor offences and been found not guilty will have their DNA profiles destroyed when they reach 18.
cafetimes1991
07-06-2009, 01:50 PM
Thanks, gilly. I might make a video about this for You Tube.
gilly
07-06-2009, 01:52 PM
Thanks, gilly. I might make a video about this for You Tube.
That would be a very good idea Cafetimes. Surely even the none-conspiracy-theorists have got to be getting a bad feeling when they hear about tripe like this going on!
drhemp
07-06-2009, 01:52 PM
It is their plan to get everyone on the DNA database by the backdoor.
Even when the Nazi Smith was told by the Courts that she couldn't abuse people's human rights by keeping the data of innocents her reaction was to say they would change the law (without a vote in Parliament) to allow them to do this.
They have my DNA over a cannabis formal warning, which is in no way a conviction of any kind. I was arrested last year over something that I was not in any way guilty of and no charges were ever made, however, when the arrest was made they found about half a gram of cannabis, for which you would not normally be arrested fo (yes I know you're thinking someone is going to get The Detective of the Year Award, they found some cannabis at Dr Hemp's house). I am writing to the police to ask them to destroy my DNA info and a friend of mine who is a solicitor asked me if I would be prepared to be a test case to force them to do this, which of course I am.
gilly
07-06-2009, 01:54 PM
It is their plan to get everyone on the DNA database by the backdoor.
Even when the Nazi Smith was told by the Courts that she couldn't abuse people's human rights by keeping the data of innocents her reaction was to say they would change the law (without a vote in Parliament) to allow them to do this.
They have my DNA over a cannabis formal warning, which is in no way a conviction of any kind. I was arrested last year over something that I was not in any way guilty of and no charges were ever made, however, when the arrest was made they found about half a gram of cannabis, for which you would not normally be arrested fo (yes I know you're thinking someone is going to get The Detective of the Year Award, they found some cannabis at Dr Hemp's house). I am writing to the police to ask them to destroy my DNA info and a friend of mine who is a solicitor asked me if I would be prepared to be a test case to force them to do this, which of course I am.
Brilliant! Best of luck, and keep us informed please.
brainfreeze
07-06-2009, 01:54 PM
It's victimisation like this which leads toward the negative and sometimes agressive stance toward the police.
We're a police state, they just haven't admitted it yet. My eldest and all his mates have been picked up - for tagging - finger printed and released with no charges. I'm on there too.
I've been following this DNA database subject closely.
yozhik
07-06-2009, 02:15 PM
Same info on this thread http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67418
Different source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5444332/Police-arrest-innocent-youths-for-their-DNA-officer-claims.html
gilly
07-06-2009, 02:52 PM
Same info on this thread http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67418
Different source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5444332/Police-arrest-innocent-youths-for-their-DNA-officer-claims.html
Thanks Yozhik, I missed that one - I'll merge (rather than deleting) in view of Dr Hemp's interesting revelation.
yozhik
07-06-2009, 02:57 PM
;)
cafetimes1991
07-06-2009, 03:06 PM
That would be a very good idea Cafetimes. Surely even the none-conspiracy-theorists have got to be getting a bad feeling when they hear about tripe like this going on!
Having some IT malfunctions at the moment with regards our internet, You Tube and Microsoft Movie Maker. :(
brainfreeze
07-06-2009, 03:15 PM
It is their plan to get everyone on the DNA database by the backdoor.
Even when the Nazi Smith was told by the Courts that she couldn't abuse people's human rights by keeping the data of innocents her reaction was to say they would change the law (without a vote in Parliament) to allow them to do this.
They have my DNA over a cannabis formal warning, which is in no way a conviction of any kind. I was arrested last year over something that I was not in any way guilty of and no charges were ever made, however, when the arrest was made they found about half a gram of cannabis, for which you would not normally be arrested fo (yes I know you're thinking someone is going to get The Detective of the Year Award, they found some cannabis at Dr Hemp's house). I am writing to the police to ask them to destroy my DNA info and a friend of mine who is a solicitor asked me if I would be prepared to be a test case to force them to do this, which of course I am.
Brilliant news. Way to go. Let us know how it goes.
Ian2day
07-06-2009, 03:30 PM
The collection and retention of DNA evidence is about the enslavement of humanity. As if they have everyones DNA. Then they can force wages lower and lower. All the while stopping people from circumventing the systems control of the distribution of wealth.
bob_jones
07-06-2009, 05:13 PM
It is their plan to get everyone on the DNA database by the backdoor.
Even when the Nazi Smith was told by the Courts that she couldn't abuse people's human rights by keeping the data of innocents her reaction was to say they would change the law (without a vote in Parliament) to allow them to do this.
They have my DNA over a cannabis formal warning, which is in no way a conviction of any kind. I was arrested last year over something that I was not in any way guilty of and no charges were ever made, however, when the arrest was made they found about half a gram of cannabis, for which you would not normally be arrested fo (yes I know you're thinking someone is going to get The Detective of the Year Award, they found some cannabis at Dr Hemp's house). I am writing to the police to ask them to destroy my DNA info and a friend of mine who is a solicitor asked me if I would be prepared to be a test case to force them to do this, which of course I am.
I'm still trying to work out if the "piss lady" in Burry Port is Carol Caplin's mother.
I know she was potting to murder me with Cherie and I stopped her and here ex-boyfriend in the year 2000 and gave them a copy of a letter I had sent Sir Richard Wilson the Cabinet Secretary about Tony Blair and Jack Staw getting bribed by BTP (now Clarient) to change the law "to say" I'm a psychopath.
I told them to go get some money as it would put the enemy coasts up.
Soon later Pete had a sports car.
Could be coincidence?
But his now ex-girlfriend came back into the story in November 2005.
Thing is with the Royal Household and government they use the law for thier own ends.
There was a story in town of a man who was arrested from 17 ounces of home grown skunk and had a caution.
I think it was probably my "friend" and he did not grass to get it as the rumours suggested but he was blackmailed by the local police into taking part in the plot to murder me using VX-nerve gas.
The same with the bio-diesl bloke who was waiting to see if he was going to be charged with conspiracy to blackmail Huntington Life Sciences.
The Police used that threat to blackmail him into bio-warfare terrorism while I lived in the bio-diesel plant in Tredegar.
But while Rose the "piss lady" was obviously doing germ warfare attacks and trying to get me to drink urine of a pot in the bath so I would get one of Cherie's famous cat piss heart attacks (John Smith, Robin Cook, Donald Dewer etc), I have to say it was a pleasure and an honour to be her secretary.
Trying to get her scrawls into English was the most fun you can have as a secretary.
You have to use sentences I explained as we were writting letters to the council against developement.
"Gia's energy come out of the blow holes on the Gower and he spreads it all over the show!", I suggested.
But she didn't like that and so we endend up explaining to the council that
"Gia's energy comes out of the blow holes on the Gower and flows along the coast, around to Burry Port and the new developement would obstuct nature's flow of energy".
Now you see?
Go NIMBYs!
But Cherie is into her witchcraft and it has been in the papers that Cheire and Carol's mum hold pendulums over Tony Blair's shoes to check on his health.
I have spoken to Iona Douglas, Dr. Liam Fox's secretary about it.
Around the time of the gas attack in Llanelli my shoes were taken from under my bed and by psychological profile and in context I can only asume it was for Cherie and Carol's mum to swing their pendulums over.
Why would Clive Gove, the land lord want a pair of size 11 £10 black shoes?
He was the only one with a key, other than myself and is a shorty with much smaller feet.
There is a lot of other evidence to prove it was him and not someone he gave a key to that was unlawfull entering my flat while I was out.
There is no rational reason for the theft.
But Rosina expained that they want your DNA because they can do black magic on you when they have it.
So you know know that they think they can!
But are they just deluional?
Or are they going to do onother hilarious holwer honey trap murder plot by pretending to want to unblock my Titi Ka ka chacra?
Tune in next week for another exciting episode...in the adventures of Bob Jones psycho detective!
big_al
07-06-2009, 08:03 PM
They have my DNA over a cannabis formal warning, which is in no way a conviction of any kind. .
By formal warning do you mean you received a caution? If so that means you have a criminal record.
shuri
07-06-2009, 08:19 PM
So now you're presumed guilty from age 10 upwards. Oh, goody. Glad this wasn't around when I was 10. That lollipop I stole from my class candy bin would have gotten me a criminal record!
Then again, I live in the U.S., so I've still got at least a while to wait before some copycat policy is implemented here.
Good luck with your case, drhemp!
marpat
07-06-2009, 08:24 PM
Are there any laws which state that it is an offence to refuse to give a sample should you feel that you have done nothing wrong and that the police are actually intruding on your privacy? I do know people who have given samples but I would feel tempted to push it as far as it would go.
dreamweaver
07-06-2009, 08:34 PM
Thanks, gilly. I might make a video about this for You Tube.
Good idea, CT. :)
tintin
07-06-2009, 08:35 PM
Are there any laws which state that it is an offence to refuse to give a sample should you feel that you have done nothing wrong and that the police are actually intruding on your privacy? I do know people who have given samples but I would feel tempted to push it as far as it would go.
Marpat.....
Over 5000 posts trying to POISON this forum......
Folks, it's the MARPATS of this world that
keep us in this PRISON.
MARPAT's and bootlickers of ISRAEL......(and there
are quite a few GOYIM that volunteer to KILL their own...)
dreamweaver
07-06-2009, 08:37 PM
Are there any laws which state that it is an offence to refuse to give a sample should you feel that you have done nothing wrong and that the police are actually intruding on your privacy? I do know people who have given samples but I would feel tempted to push it as far as it would go.
It's not an offence, as far as I'm aware, but the police have been given the power to obtain the samples by force if you do refuse.
A "freeman on the land" could try the usual arguments about statute laws only being valid by consent but I'm not aware of anyone trying it yet. I think in these circumstances the police would still obtain the DNA samples by force, so the arrested person would then have to try suing for damages.
yozhik
07-06-2009, 09:48 PM
It is their plan to get everyone on the DNA database by the backdoor.
Even when the Nazi Smith was told by the Courts that she couldn't abuse people's human rights by keeping the data of innocents her reaction was to say they would change the law (without a vote in Parliament) to allow them to do this.
Correct.
Rather than create the rules they desire by way of Primary Legislation (Act/Statute), they have already indicated they will bring it in by way of Statutory Instrument.
Similar to the Executive order in the U.S.
A Statutory Instrument CAN be overturned, but it is very, very rare.
The procedure requires a motion for a "prayer". (I kid you not)
Contact your MP's.
Ask them to say a prayer against this Statutory Instrument. :)
yozhik
07-06-2009, 09:55 PM
This is what I find most terrifying of all ...
A Metropolitan Police officer made the claims after figures were released showing that 386 under-18s had their DNA taken and stored by police last year in Camden, north London.
The officer said: "Have we got targets for young people who have not been arrested yet? The answer is yes.
This makes me angry on two levels;
1. The government, despite it being declared ILLEGAL, have issued police with targets. i.e. quotas.
2. This is yet further, direct admission from the police that their concern is no longer serving the public or keeping the peace; they are, unashamedly nothing more than uniformed, armed, Policy Enforcers.
bob_jones
07-06-2009, 10:18 PM
I'm still trying to work out if the "piss lady" in Burry Port is Carol Caplin's mother.
I know she was potting to murder me with Cherie and I stopped her and here ex-boyfriend in the year 2000 and gave them a copy of a letter I had sent Sir Richard Wilson the Cabinet Secretary about Tony Blair and Jack Staw getting bribed by BTP (now Clarient) to change the law "to say" I'm a psychopath.
I told them to go get some money as it would put the enemy coasts up.
Soon later Pete had a sports car.
Could be coincidence?
But his now ex-girlfriend came back into the story in November 2005.
Thing is with the Royal Household and government they use the law for thier own ends.
There was a story in town of a man who was arrested from 17 ounces of home grown skunk and had a caution.
I think it was probably my "friend" and he did not grass to get it as the rumours suggested but he was blackmailed by the local police into taking part in the plot to murder me using VX-nerve gas.
The same with the bio-diesl bloke who was waiting to see if he was going to be charged with conspiracy to blackmail Huntington Life Sciences.
The Police used that threat to blackmail him into bio-warfare terrorism while I lived in the bio-diesel plant in Tredegar.
But while Rose the "piss lady" was obviously doing germ warfare attacks and trying to get me to drink urine of a pot in the bath so I would get one of Cherie's famous cat piss heart attacks (John Smith, Robin Cook, Donald Dewer etc), I have to say it was a pleasure and an honour to be her secretary.
Trying to get her scrawls into English was the most fun you can have as a secretary.
You have to use sentences I explained as we were writting letters to the council against developement.
"Gia's energy come out of the blow holes on the Gower and he spreads it all over the show!", I suggested.
But she didn't like that and so we endend up explaining to the council that
"Gia's energy comes out of the blow holes on the Gower and flows along the coast, around to Burry Port and the new developement would obstuct nature's flow of energy".
Now you see?
Go NIMBYs!
But Cherie is into her witchcraft and it has been in the papers that Cheire and Carol's mum hold pendulums over Tony Blair's shoes to check on his health.
I have spoken to Iona Douglas, Dr. Liam Fox's secretary about it.
Around the time of the gas attack in Llanelli my shoes were taken from under my bed and by psychological profile and in context I can only asume it was for Cherie and Carol's mum to swing their pendulums over.
Why would Clive Gove, the land lord want a pair of size 11 £10 black shoes?
He was the only one with a key, other than myself and is a shorty with much smaller feet.
There is a lot of other evidence to prove it was him and not someone he gave a key to that was unlawfull entering my flat while I was out.
There is no rational reason for the theft.
But Rosina expained that they want your DNA because they can do black magic on you when they have it.
So you know know that they think they can!
But are they just deluional?
Or are they going to do onother hilarious holwer honey trap murder plot by pretending to want to unblock my Titi Ka ka chacra?
Tune in next week for another exciting episode...in the adventures of Bob Jones psycho detective!
Just to clarify it was Tony Blair's toe nail clippings used to "divine" his health by Carol's mum.
But shoes can also be used in their absence.
My ex-girlfiend took a pen knife of mine to a fortune teller for here to use to "see" my future.
That's what set all that stuff about the Foreign Legion (La Legion Etranger) off in 1996 and 1997.
So I have known a lot about the occult and magik since then.
I keep telling the Jehovas Witnesses that the name of God is Ramses but they won't have it.
I supose they find it offensive when I tell them Moses was the Devil incarnate too.
But if he is not a deciever then he really did part the Red Sea with a gay Nazi salute!!!!:rolleyes:
motleyhoo
08-06-2009, 04:52 AM
Collecting everyone's DNA is not just about the justice system. The FDA in the US is currently working on a healthcare codex system whereby your insurance rates will be based on "defects" in your DNA, and your treatment for any ailment will be determined by computer based on your DNA, and said treatment will be a customized brew of pharmaceutical chemicals/biotics also based on your DNA. The idea for this goes all the way back to the Nazis.
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drhemp
19-06-2009, 09:44 AM
I just had a letter in the post this morning from the pigs saying they are going to ignore the ruling from the European Court of Human Rights - S & MARPER v THE UNITED KINGDOM and keep my DNA and fingerprints, even though I was 100% innocent and therefore subsequently not charged when I was arrested last year.
This is an outrage. Those hypocritical cunts in our government love to lecture us about the rule of law, etc., yet when a court ruling goes against them, in this case being told they are not allowed to abuse our human rights, they simply ignore it.
Why the hell should I have my DNA and fingerprints on their database when I have no criminal record whatsoever? They ballsed up last year by getting something completely wrong, yet it is I who against my wishes have my DNA and fingerprints stored on a database belonging to this fascist government.
gilly
19-06-2009, 09:45 AM
I just had a letter in the post this morning from the pigs saying they are going to ignore the ruling from the European Court of Human Rights - S & MARPER v THE UNITED KINGDOM and keep my DNA and fingerprints, even though I was 100% innocent and therefore subsequently not charged when I was arrested last year.
This is an outrage. Those hypocritical cunts in our government love to lecture us about the rule of law, etc., yet when a court ruling goes against them, in this case being told they are not allowed to abuse our human rights, they simply ignore it.
Why the hell should I have my DNA and fingerprints on their database when I have no criminal record whatsoever? They ballsed up last year by getting something completely wrong, yet it is I who against my wishes have my DNA and fingerprints stored on a database belonging to this fascist government.
Are you still going to pursue this through court?
yozhik
19-06-2009, 09:53 AM
I just had a letter in the post this morning from the pigs saying they are going to ignore the ruling from the European Court of Human Rights - S & MARPER v THE UNITED KINGDOM and keep my DNA and fingerprints, even though I was 100% innocent and therefore subsequently not charged when I was arrested last year.
Two questions :) ...
One.
Is this how it was stated in the letter?
Or is this your paraphrasing?
Whatever the answer; its disgusting ... and
Two.
I'm interested in the answer to the same question posed by Gilly.
drhemp
19-06-2009, 09:53 AM
Are you still going to pursue this through court?
I shall certainly write a letter back to this bitch and give her a piece of my mind and of course will pursue all avenues. The letter says they are awaiting a 'full response to the ruling by Government prior to seeking advice and/or action from the Police Services in order to address their personal issues on the matter' and 'Once the legal interpretation has been established, further advice will be provided to police forces'.
Now I don't see why they need an army of lawyers to clarify what 'YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT' means. I find it abhorrent that our government wants to keep the DNA of innocents and furthermore had to be taken to the European Court on Human Rights to be told this was illegal.
gilly
19-06-2009, 09:58 AM
I shall certainly write a letter back to this bitch and give her a piece of my mind and of course will pursue all avenues. The letter says they are awaiting a 'full response to the ruling by Government prior to seeking advice and/or action from the Police Services in order to address their personal issues on the matter' and 'Once the legal interpretation has been established, further advice will be provided to police forces'.
Now I don't see why they need an army of lawyers to clarify what 'YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT' means. I find it abhorrent that our government wants to keep the DNA of innocents and furthermore had to be taken to the European Court on Human Rights to be told this was illegal.
That makes it sound like they're trying to find a loophole, or amend some existing legislation. It's a bit bloody cheeky to expect anyone to wait for them to do that, to say the least.
yozhik
19-06-2009, 09:59 AM
I just love how this bunch of incompetent fools, masquerading as politicians want to hurtle us at the speed of light into the EU and ensnare us with the Lisbon Treaty without the promised referendum ... and yet when it comes to the EU Courts highlighting basic Human Rights being breached, they choose to ignore it and play "pretend sovereignty".
How does THAT work?
drhemp
19-06-2009, 10:20 AM
Two questions :) ...
One.
Is this how it was stated in the letter?
Or is this your paraphrasing?
Whatever the answer; its disgusting ... and
I don't have a scanner here, I have one at the office, so I'll scan it next time I'm over there (I'm down with a stomach bug at the moment), but yeah it more or less said we're not going to comply with this unless the government changes the law.
drhemp
19-06-2009, 10:27 AM
This is a letter I have knocked up, not sent it yet (again no printer in my house, have to go to the office)
Dear Ms Neale,
Thank you for your letter dated 15th June 2009 concerning my application to destroy my fingerprint / DNA records.
Within the context of this matter, I fail to see why you need to wait for an army of overpaid Government lawyers to clarify “you are not allowed to do it” and “it is an abuse of our human rights to keep the DNA of innocent people”?
It really is a sad reflection on Britain today that this had to be taken to the European Court of Human Rights in the first place in order for you to be told this is not allowed and even sadder that you then chose to ignore this ruling. I should have thought it was blindingly obvious why people who have been arrested and subsequently not convicted of any criminal offence should not want to have their DNA/ fingerprints kept on this database. That is unless you support the agenda of this fascist government to turn the UK into an Orwellian style police state?
I ask again that you comply with the ruling from the European Court of Human Rights - S & MARPER v THE UNITED KINGDOM and destroy my DNA and fingerprints. If you are unable to comply with this simple request then please can you advise where I can appeal this decision in order that you comply with the European Court of Human Rights judgement that you are not allowed to abuse my human rights?
Any suggestions? Maybe I should leave out 'That is unless you support the agenda of this fascist government to turn the UK into an Orwellian style police state?'
gilly
19-06-2009, 10:33 AM
This is a letter I have knocked up, not sent it yet (again no printer in my house, have to go to the office)
Any suggestions? Maybe I should leave out 'That is unless you support the agenda of this fascist government to turn the UK into an Orwellian style police state?'
Good letter.
I'd maybe just soften slightly to something like...
"That is, unless you support some fascist governmental agenda to transform the UK into an Orwellian style police state."
So that it's not posed as a direct accusation. (Just so's you're not top of the beheading list when the Lisbon Treaty comes in.) :D
yozhik
19-06-2009, 10:56 AM
Soften?
I'd go harder.
Slap a Commercial Lien on them for as many millions as you feel like.
A separate Commercial Lien for every office and office holder who has condoned or touched this illegal decision.
The one who wrote you the letter of reply, his/her supervisor, the government department overseeing the policy and the Minster responsible for the policy.
All have "unclean hands" in this matter.
They have breached your human rights; this is the judgement of the EU Court.
They have publicly ststed they are not going to abide by it and instead, have chosen to intentionally ignore it, in full knowledge of the ruling and its implications.
Commercial Lien.
It is a legal remedy available to all.
There is a specific path to take and it must be done correctly, but it definitely is a process to achieving remedy.