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fuzzyduck
04-06-2009, 02:31 AM
Any body out there have an interest or a deeper knowledge into this subject?



I wish to file a statutory declaration for unpaid penalty charges (8 in total).
My car was towed away and is in the car compound, my argument is that the fines are invalid according to the bill of rights.

My reasons to apply to the stat dec are:-

1. Under the Bill of Rights 1689 section 2 clause 12 it was illegal in the first place to give me a fixed penalty fine before presenting me in a court of law so the fine is not valid.

2. I understand that a fixed penalty charge is infact a fine, which is clearly stated on Islington Council's website, also the word penalty is defined in dictionaries as a fine or forfeiture.

3. Islington Council is in breach of the law by impossing a fine without the process of judgement and conviction in a court of law, thus being in failure of my rights as I was not given the opportunity to defend myself against any of these fines in a court of law, which is my right.

4. I understand that a lot of legislation has been passed since the bill of rights 1689 but it is still on the statute books, still in full force and effect not repealed and not amended.

5. The said fines and forfeitures are in fact void and illegal under the Bill of Rights 1689 section 2 clause 12 and I demand that the liability be removed and the officers who issued said penalties be reprimanded for their flagrant and blatant disregard of my rights.






My queries on this matter are that there was no warrant issued in order to lift the car, so i am not sure if i can file it in a county court as the court has not been involved this the matter so far.

Also who would i address this matter to as it does not apply to the three grounds on the stat dec form so cannot be addressed to the TEC.

And last of all, do I involve the car compound into this matter for lifting the car and for charging a daily fee, as it is them who i wish to release the car.


I have tried to research this subject as deep as i can, but cannot find a sure way of completing it, so as to be fully confident and comprehend all the facts.

If there is someone out there who is willing to shine a light on this matter or wether this is just a subject some of you would like to openly discuss, due to your own future remedies or past experiences, I look forward to your input with much admiration & gratitude.

number_6
05-06-2009, 02:10 PM
Forget the Bill of Rights Act to fight PCNs.
Robin de Crittenden tried this four or five years ago and failed.

http://www.parkingandtrafficappeals.gov.uk/user_documents/De_Crittenden.pdf

bsmurph83
05-06-2009, 03:25 PM
Any body out there have an interest or a deeper knowledge into this subject?

I wish to file a statutory declaration for unpaid penalty charges (8 in total).
My car was towed away and is in the car compound, my argument is that the fines are invalid according to the bill of rights.

My reasons to apply to the stat dec are:-

1. Under the Bill of Rights 1689 section 2 clause 12 it was illegal in the first place to give me a fixed penalty fine before presenting me in a court of law so the fine is not valid.

2. I understand that a fixed penalty charge is infact a fine, which is clearly stated on Islington Council's website, also the word penalty is defined in dictionaries as a fine or forfeiture.

3. Islington Council is in breach of the law by impossing a fine without the process of judgement and conviction in a court of law, thus being in failure of my rights as I was not given the opportunity to defend myself against any of these fines in a court of law, which is my right.

4. I understand that a lot of legislation has been passed since the bill of rights 1689 but it is still on the statute books, still in full force and effect not repealed and not amended.

5. The said fines and forfeitures are in fact void and illegal under the Bill of Rights 1689 section 2 clause 12 and I demand that the liability be removed and the officers who issued said penalties be reprimanded for their flagrant and blatant disregard of my rights.

My queries on this matter are that there was no warrant issued in order to lift the car, so i am not sure if i can file it in a county court as the court has not been involved this the matter so far.

Also who would i address this matter to as it does not apply to the three grounds on the stat dec form so cannot be addressed to the TEC.

And last of all, do I involve the car compound into this matter for lifting the car and for charging a daily fee, as it is them who i wish to release the car.

I have tried to research this subject as deep as i can, but cannot find a sure way of completing it, so as to be fully confident and comprehend all the facts.

If there is someone out there who is willing to shine a light on this matter or wether this is just a subject some of you would like to openly discuss, due to your own future remedies or past experiences, I look forward to your input with much admiration & gratitude.

well dude I claim no expertise here at all and I kind of wince at the idea of the statutory approach to all of this, because then you are in the PUBLIC and the public has no rights. they are slaves. you end up begging and pleading for nothing.

I'd probably be writing Notices to the parties responsible requesting proof of claim on a sworn affidavit under their full commercial liability, signed under penalty of perjury. Ask for proof of the lawful authority to steal your car/private property (not vehicle - don't use their terminology. A car is not a vehicle and a gun is not a firearm). Ask for proof of claim for the unpaid penalty charges - what were they for? Who is the injured party? How can you injure a corporation? Are you not entitled as a living man to journey freely on the highways and byways without interference, without the need for a license or registration? If not, ask to see the law that states this... The threat of libel to whoever is in possession of the car is something noone likes. It might precipitate some kind of response, but first apologise for any and all dishonours and for accidentally dishonouring their past presentments (fines or whatever)... Are you familiar with putting notices together at all? Time to get familiar if ya not... :)

bones
05-06-2009, 05:54 PM
a statutory decleration can only be used if the claim has been submitted to that court and has a value of about 700 quid....

i went to do one last year regarding a pcn and was told the above.....

comma berenices
05-06-2009, 07:43 PM
Go to www.fmotl.com.
There is a template letter to help fight a pcn,i used against islington council and they cancelled the pcn.
So did stevenage council.
The site will give you good info into the freeman concept.

number_6
06-06-2009, 09:45 AM
a statutory decleration can only be used if the claim has been submitted to that court and has a value of about 700 quid....

i went to do one last year regarding a pcn and was told the above.....

Er, this isn't so. A Stat dec for a PCN is to be submitted to TEC at Northampton in all cases. You use your local County Court to witness your signature, no appointment needed or any fee, then send it to TEC.

bones
06-06-2009, 10:40 AM
Er, this isn't so. A Stat dec for a PCN is to be submitted to TEC at Northampton in all cases. You use your local County Court to witness your signature, no appointment needed or any fee, then send it to TEC.


then the courts are wrong then???

im confused ///

number_6
06-06-2009, 01:52 PM
then the courts are wrong then???

im confused ///

It depends how you went about it. The only way to file a stat dec for a penalty charge, is after the pcn has been registered at the TEC (traffic enforcement centre) at Northampton. This is way down the process after the NTO, Notice of Rejection, Charge Certificate etc. Then TEC send out an Order for Recovery but enclose a stat dec form, if you wish to contest. This must be witnessed and returned to them. However at this stage you are limited to which reasons you are contesting. I should imagine that this is the situation the OP is in. However as I said before the Bill of Rights has already been tried and thrown out, so I assume the OP's stat dec will be refused.

girlgye
11-06-2009, 06:05 PM
Forget the Bill of Rights Act to fight PCNs.
Robin de Crittenden tried this four or five years ago and failed.

http://www.parkingandtrafficappeals.gov.uk/user_documents/De_Crittenden.pdf

I'm intrigued by this. You pooh every law every one quotes. So really what you are saying is the law really is an ASS and the judge can do whatever he likes when he likes. Is this the case?

number_6
11-06-2009, 09:53 PM
I'm intrigued by this. You pooh every law every one quotes. So really what you are saying is the law really is an ASS and the judge can do whatever he likes when he likes. Is this the case?

I don't think so. If you read the latter part of paragraph eight of the link I provided, Justice Collins explains exactly why the conditions set out in the Bill of Rights do not actually apply in the case of parking tickets. Although a considerable amount of my time is helping others fighting parking tickets on other websites with some success, I have to admit that upon reading Justice Collins explanation, I do feel he is correct in his interpretation of the Bill of rights.