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hephens

03-06-2009, 03:11 AM

aura

03-06-2009, 03:38 AM

This looks interesting. I will save the link to read in the morning. Thanks
I was also thinking about 'The Hidden Hand' user who posted on ATS last year while checking some pages before I noticed you've also mentioned his/hers.

luciferhorus

03-06-2009, 05:23 AM

I would really like david to read this and every1 ellse its about an elite insider, who tells everything and also mentions david icke which has a core truth.

Now here is the first read which was made in 2005

http://www.scribd.com/doc/403303/The-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider-2005

this is the second read which i believe is from a different insider but made in 2008

http://home.comcast.net/~readingnews/Hidden_Hand.html

Its amazing once you read it, they say its all a game for us to learn and spiritualy evolve before the comeing harvest in 2012, he mentions reptilians and how its impossible for something to shapeshift in this realm/dimension/universe but only through rituals. They say they have to be as negative to us souls as possible because its there mission but they are only doing this because they love you.

A 'Remote' Perspective

Both documents are fascinating, however I doubt that they are written by a genuine 'insider,' but rather one who has a great deal of understanding of the 'psyche' of the world's elites and the Luciferian consiousness.

As I was reading the documents, I could not help but constantly think of the overtly Luciferian spiritualist Aaron C Donahue (Google him); in fact his spiritual presence was so intense that I felt he was sitting next to me as I read the documents; I don't want to falsely accuse Aaron of anything but it does certainly smack of his Luciferian writing style, with which I am quite familiar; one of his neighbours is on http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread357011/pg1 where the last dialogue was sourced and from where I have personally been permanently excommunicated for disseminating Communist / anti-American propaganda.

If the documents above are not Aaron's works, though they have his 'scent' on them, and they certainly appear to me as the work of a remote viewer and researcher of all matters magickal and Luciferian; I would entirely recommend them for reading and they are a fascinating insight, but I would take them with a 'pinch of salt;' psychic channeling and remote viewing are not 'sciences;' and can be rather unreliable, not that I would wish to discourage anyone from developing such talents, particularly remote viewing, since it can also be used to psychically attack and confuse the enemy.

If the dialoge is the work of Aaron's pen, Aaron is quite an advanced psychic and remote viewer; he is rather well known in esoteric circles on the Internet and is overtly Luciferian; he is certainly aware of the type of knowledge expressed in the dialogues above, and a reading of his many Internet essays should confirm that, however he is also entirely schitzophrenic (Gr. shattered mind) and has an advanced Messiah complex. I have had to study him and engage him myself on the Internet; we were briefly friends on Myspace, but frankly I believe that despite his great genius and that he is genuinely a very advanced psychic, that he has totally 'lost it;' he further believes Hitler to be a misunderstood genius who sought to 'purify humanity;' Aaron is certainly not part of the true 'Luciferian' revolution which is an entirely Communist agenda.

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Compare:
Aaron's Writings:

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id93.html

Anti-Aaron:

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/theuglytruthaboutaaroncdonahue/index.html
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Unfortunately the magickian who seeks to open a portal to the Goetic demons and the Luciferian dimension (I refer to archetypal ancestral spirts, not to a single person) can very easily bring upon themselves a form of self imposed schizophrenia ; they place themselves at the centre of a spiritual storm which can simply overpower them.

he mentions reptilians and how its impossible for something to shapeshift in this realm/dimension/universe but only through rituals

Shape Shifting Reptiian Nonsense

In fact the documents above allege that David Icke has been entirely led astray over his 'reptilian shape shifting' beliefs and that this has occured in order that he might lose credibility; this is entirely my own position also, since otherwise Icke is very insightful with regards to the ruling elites; our current masters are not 'shape shifting reptilians;' this is not a 'physical phenomenon,' however communion with, and indeed possession by demonic ancestral spirits from other dimensions is entirely a reality.

They say they have to be as negative to us souls as possible because its there mission but they are only doing this because they love you.

The Language of the Aristocracy

Yes that is indeed what is alleged in the dialogue above; they are making humanity suffer because they 'love' humanity and it is all part of a dialectical process.

However the language used is that of Orwellian double speak. The elites are currently engaged in world Capitalist revolution, the holocaust of all militant enemies, the economic enslavement of humanity under Capital, and the consequence of the dictatorship of Capital is a world where a billion people are hungry and millions die each year due to the effects of poverty; mostly women and children.

That is not 'love' as we who are human beings commonly understand it; it is entirely the anti-thesis of love; the elites are human beings just like we all are; however they are entirely 'morally (the discernment of good an evil)' subhuman; however they consider themselves to be 'advanced;' it is simply an advanced manifestation of evil, and their language is simply aristocratic; it is the language of economic parasites who will have to be swept off the face of the earth and from below the earth.

The dialectic demands world anti-Capitalist revolution, rebellion and vengeance...not submission to evil.

http://tuberose.com/Graphics/depleted-uranium.2005.jpeg

Lucifer
Fire, plague and poisoned waters.

http://www.luciferia.tv/animation/A.gif
__________________

http://knowledgerush.com/wiki_image/e/e7/Korea_(179).jpg

1977

03-06-2009, 06:46 AM

realy

03-06-2009, 07:11 AM

yeah i use to read most of aarons stuff on his website a while back, and yeah he became crazy for sure. also yes, I read the hidden hand stuff and "they are making humanity suffer because they 'love' humanity and it is all part of a dialectical process." stuff is basicaly what frankist jews/zionist believe and armagedonist in a way are similar_ artificialy bringing about apocalypse or doing as much evil as possible to bring about ther messiah_I have a friend who believes that shit also and he was raised by jesuits in his early teens supposedly. These are probably the sickest perspectives to have and follow on this planet, cause its basicaly about forcing things to occur_its a fuked thing for sure.

les_paul_robot

03-06-2009, 01:08 PM

This has been posted before, and I believe that David Icke actually did write a response to the first link. Any idea what D.I said?

revolutionary_jam

03-06-2009, 02:51 PM

this ties in to the stuff i was saying back here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22648

when I had a spiritual awakening

sade

03-06-2009, 03:25 PM

Icke has spread disinformation before, so it doesn't surprise me that he would be wrong about reptilians and a lot of other things.
(as in, no reptilians ruling, surprise, surprise.) Project Camelot was mighty fine in the beginning too and after they got more attention,
it all went down the drain. This sadly happens a lot.

I readed the first document and liked what the "insider" was saying.
It's definitely worth the read!

Some good parts from the first document:

Q: Now the question is, who is using Icke? and better question... Why?

A: Icke has a core of truth he is trying to pass. What he does not realise is that this actually works against him.
The reptilian part was fed him by the ones who work for the bloodlines. In a period of 7,
8 months he was bombarded with "victims" who witnessed shape-shifting, satanic rituals, etc.
in such a way he could not refuse to not believe it. Sometimes the "witnesses" were lead to him a few times a day, depending on his location.
Others like Icke (and there are more than you think) have been fed similar stories. Really, I am not reptilian. The answer why does not have to be answered.

*Arizona Wilder. One thing she said was that Reptilians "shape-shift" when sleeping.
So, some of these "reptilians" went to the army and slept in dorms with other people and nobody noticed? :o

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Q: Is Earth a prison?
A: Yes and even worse. The ones who believe the contrary will never escape.

*I've heard this theory before and unconsciously I believe it to be true.

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Q: Dear Insider, You state that we have the tools to work with. Can you tell us some of them,
something to work with so we may free ourselves? You agree that we are on a prison planet.
I thought more like a Zoo, where we are being observed and studied. But if we are on a prison planet,
than I must understand that we truly have no free will. Correct? Thank you

A: The tools are in your hands, around you, everywhere...it is even being drawn out of you.
It is your duty towards yourself to reveal them to yourself and then do as you please with them....there is always a consequence.
Prisoners still can determine what they do in their prison with the tools that were provided to them,
they can decide how to walk in the yard, how to talk, think... You have free will therefore you suffer and are aware of your suffering.

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The same poster as above asks more:

Q: Dear Insider, Thank you for answering my first two questions and your time. I should have asked this question with the first two, but alas I do now.
Why give me tools to escape a prison? Sounds counter productive to what a prison is for. I have known that the PTB are puppets moved around by hands that we cannot see, nor may ever see, but why make them look and act (seemingly) stupid or at the least illogical? Are you wanting a revolution? What you are saying is that the war is within - not without - though TPTB seem to want us to think it is without - why distract us? What is it that they don´t want us to accomplish? Freedom? And yes, I am reminded everyday of my suffering. Thanks

A: We are neutral and doing our duty which many times comes across as being negative.
If you observe closely you will see we merely spreading the tools which can be used by you to free yourself or chain yourself, your choice.
The Divine Law has a purpose for you and it is not on this planet. Prove you are worthy again to be released. The distraction is part of that.
It is about knowing who is and who is not. The ones who support any of these known faces are

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Smart:

I might add this which may sound contrary to what I said but read carefully: When masses are made to believe something negative,
they may create what they did not want, which is how for instance the "NWO" like you people name it, works.
You are believing it is taking shape, so it will take shape and theorists are major players in helping this taking shape by bombarding you with "facts" that it is taking shape. Claiming you are giving in power everyday, and they control you more...while in reality you are in full control.
So the people who are "waking up" to it are the ones who are creating it. Visualization also works that way around.

*I made a long thread about this long ago, glad Im not the only one that sees this.
Also, If being responsible for your own life and knowing that you are the one in control makes one Luciferian,
then I and a lot of people on this forum could consider ourselves that.

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Revolutionary_jam, thanks for posting the link to your thread!
I agreed on a lot of things you said and enjoyed reading it. :D

hephens

03-06-2009, 03:40 PM

A 'Remote' Perspective

Both documents are fascinating, however I doubt that they are written by a genuine 'insider,' but rather one who has a great deal of understanding of the 'psyche' of the world's elites and the Luciferian consiousness.

As I was reading the documents, I could not help but constantly think of the overtly Luciferian spiritualist Aaron C Donahue (Google him); in fact his spiritual presence was so intense that I felt he was sitting next to me as I read the documents; I don't want to falsely accuse Aaron of anything but it does certainly smack of his Luciferian writing style, with which I am quite familiar; one of his neighbours is on http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread357011/pg1 where the last dialogue was sourced and from where I have personally been permanently excommunicated for disseminating Communist / anti-American propaganda.

If the documents above are not Aaron's works, though they have his 'scent' on them, and they certainly appear to me as the work of a remote viewer and researcher of all matters magickal and Luciferian; I would entirely recommend them for reading and they are a fascinating insight, but I would take them with a 'pinch of salt;' psychic channeling and remote viewing are not 'sciences;' and can be rather unreliable, not that I would wish to discourage anyone from developing such talents, particularly remote viewing, since it can also be used to psychically attack and confuse the enemy.

If the dialoge is the work of Aaron's pen, Aaron is quite an advanced psychic and remote viewer; he is rather well known in esoteric circles on the Internet and is overtly Luciferian; he is certainly aware of the type of knowledge expressed in the dialogues above, and a reading of his many Internet essays should confirm that, however he is also entirely schitzophrenic (Gr. shattered mind) and has an advanced Messiah complex. I have had to study him and engage him myself on the Internet; we were briefly friends on Myspace, but frankly I believe that despite his great genius and that he is genuinely a very advanced psychic, that he has totally 'lost it;' he further believes Hitler to be a misunderstood genius who sought to 'purify humanity;' Aaron is certainly not part of the true 'Luciferian' revolution which is an entirely Communist agenda.

-----------------
Compare:
Aaron's Writings:

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id93.html

Anti-Aaron:

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/theuglytruthaboutaaroncdonahue/index.html
-------------------

Unfortunately the magickian who seeks to open a portal to the Goetic demons and the Luciferian dimension (I refer to archetypal ancestral spirts, not to a single person) can very easily bring upon themselves a form of self imposed schizophrenia ; they place themselves at the centre of a spiritual storm which can simply overpower them.

Shape Shifting Reptiian Nonsense

In fact the documents above allege that David Icke has been entirely led astray over his 'reptilian shape shifting' beliefs and that this has occured in order that he might lose credibility; this is entirely my own position also, since otherwise Icke is very insightful with regards to the ruling elites; our current masters are not 'shape shifting reptilians;' this is not a 'physical phenomenon,' however communion with, and indeed possession by demonic ancestral spirits from other dimensions is entirely a reality.

They say they have to be as negative to us souls as possible because its there mission but they are only doing this because they love you.

The Language of the Aristocracy

Yes that is indeed what is alleged in the dialogue above; they are making humanity suffer because they 'love' humanity and it is all part of a dialectical process.

However the language used is that of Orwellian double speak. The elites are currently engaged in world Capitalist revolution, the holocaust of all militant enemies, the economic enslavement of humanity under Capital, and the consequence of the dictatorship of Capital is a world where a billion people are hungry and millions die each year due to the effects of poverty; mostly women and children.

That is not 'love' as we who are human beings commonly understand it; it is entirely the anti-thesis of love; the elites are human beings just like we all are; however they are entirely 'morally (the discernment of good an evil)' subhuman; however they consider themselves to be 'advanced;' it is simply an advanced manifestation of evil, and their language is simply aristocratic; it is the language of economic parasites who will have to be swept off the face of the earth and from below the earth.

The dialectic demands world anti-Capitalist revolution, rebellion and vengeance...not submission to evil.

http://tuberose.com/Graphics/depleted-uranium.2005.jpeg

Lucifer
Fire, plague and poisoned waters.

http://www.luciferia.tv/animation/A.gif
__________________

http://knowledgerush.com/wiki_image/e/e7/Korea_(179).jpg

Sorry i'm doing my best to follow what you have written but i had to read the readings from 05 and 08 a few times to actualy understand what it is they are trying to tell us. I got very upset a few times reading these readings of a elite insider

but it came to my understanding that you mention they are advance beings (they damn sure speak like they own us and we are just cattle to them) well they do tell us that they belong to 6th domensional beings and that the comeing harvest in 2012 will be a 3way split with the souls here on earth 1 being repeating 3rd density negative(currently), 4th density negative and 4th density positive where those will learn light and love but if we never wake up in this physical they will have to repeat the cycle again until every1 will graduate and move on and so on to 6th density where they are supposed to be, but not sure about us.

I guess in the meantime to 2012 if what the elite insider is right is follow light and love and help others and you alone MAY graduate to 4th density positive, they say when the comeing harvest comes there will be a 1on1 moment with the creator, so that you remember as a soul what you are where you are and why, something like that.

darketernal

03-06-2009, 03:46 PM

This has been posted before, and I believe that David Icke actually did write a response to the first link. I find very little that accords with Aaron C. Donahue, so I am really not sure why LH brought him up at all. The 2005 Insider is evidently a Neoplatonist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonist), and strikes me as more credible for his very reticence to answer questions. The "Hidden Hand" posts simply say too much and thereby tip his/her hand—so to speak—as being a faker, IMO.

Right HH said a number of things which tip me off to him being either a faker, or being very low ranking and with minimal knowledge, if he is at all. I've had at least half a dozen people link me this material asking for my thoughts.

elirien

03-06-2009, 10:58 PM

That which "ticked me off" the most was the bit about having the tools all around us. Is it the usage of the body and spirit or something else... Hard to "know thyself". Anyone has any ideas?

luciferhorus

04-06-2009, 05:41 AM

Right HH said a number of things which tip me off to him being either a faker, or being very low ranking and with minimal knowledge, if he is at all. I've had at least half a dozen people link me this material asking for my thoughts.

Plagiarism

It has also been alleged on http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg13 that the source of much of what HH is saying is from the Law of One chanelling sessions on: http://www2.hawaii.edu/~boyne/ra/creation.html

I quote:

Here are some quotes from this source that directly relate, if not are the exact same as the OP's (Hidden Hand's) statements

" The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation. "

"Infinity became aware. This was the next step."

"Awareness led to the focus of infinity into infinite energy. You have called this by various vibrational sound complexes, the most common to your ears being "Logos" or "Love." The Creator is the focusing of infinity as an aware or conscious principle called by us as closely as we can create understanding/learning in your language, intelligent infinity."

"The second density strives towards the third density which is the density of self-consciousness or self-awareness. The striving takes place through the higher second-density forms who are invested by third density beings with an identity to the extent that they become self-aware mind/body complexes, thus becoming mind/body/spirit complexes and entering third density, the first density of consciousness of spirit."

"The sphere upon which you dwell is third density in its beingness of mind/body/spirit complexes. It is now in a space/time continuum, fourth density. This is causing a somewhat difficult harvest. "

"Thus, the entry into the vibration of love, sometimes called by your people the vibration of understanding, is not effective with your present societal complex. Thus, the harvest shall be such that many will repeat the third-density cycle."
And it continues onto many more pages and 'excerpts' as they are referred to on that page.

I am willing to believe that the information presented by Hidden_Hand, has been plagiarized off of the site, unless of course Hidden_Hand is the actual author of that site. Nonetheless, the comparison is remarkable in that the same core concept, idea, language, and sentences are used. Even some of the lines are the exact same ones that are used by Hidden_Hand.

..... there is blatant plagiarism occurring.

In my opinion the OP is utilizing the same concept now, which was originally spoken of back in 1981 ......

Sidenote: Here is the definition of plagiarism

–noun 1. the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.
2. something used and represented in this manner.

See also:

http://www.llresearch.org/,

Further if you read the channeling sessions on http://www.lawofone.info/ site there are very similar themes, and in particular The Law of One: 'Harvest' http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?category=Harvest

Further after being accused of plagiarism, Hidden Hand ignores this criticism, writes a few more posts on the next page and then dissapears.

The Neo-Nazi Luciferian Aaron C. Donahue

I am probably incorrect about Aaron being the source; it was just an intuition, since he writes about similar themes, and like the 'Hidden Hand' he also declares himself a Luciferian and he is one of the few overtly declared Luciferians who fills the Internet with his essays,; all these anti-Luciferian archetypes who claim to represent the Lucifer archetype have a very similar spirit which I recognise as the spirit of 'God;' it is the spirit of the Popes, priests and tyrants of human history; the dross and the chaff of the past Aeons; it should be studied, but only with the fascination and interest with which one keenly studies one's enemy and their techniques and language of religious hypnosis.

Often this kind of channeling has a similar 'feel' to it and I find it generally unreliable and a 'strange' and uncomfortable spirit gathers around me when I read such things; it is not a 'familiar' to me; it is a 'stranger;' it is not an ally but an 'enemy;' it much like that devil 'God' himself, the source of human misery and slavery, of fear, oppression, restriction and centuries of bloody wars, inquisitions and holy crusades; it is very much the enemy of the Promethean archetype; it is a spirit of 'God' whose slaves in submission must in time be cast out of the earth, whom humanity must rebel against, and whom the children of future humanity must be taught to despise through the objective academic study of the history of human evil (i.e., the history of religion and psychology of religion; i.e., the study of religious 'hypnosis'); this 'God' is a summa of all that I hate and despise in the cosmos; it is the enemy of the children of humanity.

http://www.ernestocheguevara.info/pictures/ernesto_che_guevara1.jpg

On Lucifer. Triumph of the Will.

There is no singular 'Lucifer' in the ancestral realm; there are myriads of such archetypal spirits, just as there are myriads of ancestral spirits representing the Venus and Mars archetypes, and all the archetypal persons of the Book of Thoth (The Tarot) and in astrology.

The Luciferian archetype is very much the 'Magician,' the 'Sun,' 'Venus,' the Hanged Man (the martyr), the Prince of Wands (will) upright; it is a Promethean archetype associated with passionate evangelical militant rebellion against evil; the sacrifice of oneself for humanity; the spirit of the martyr; resistance to the Archons; in modern terms it is the Che Guevara archetype.

Lucifer represents free thinkers and freedom of will; freedom from organised religion and tyranny and so forth; rebellion and resistance against the religious and political establishment; enlightenment through study, education; it is very much a thelemic archetype and one which seeks universal liberation; it is also a Communist and anarchist archetype.

I don't find such Luciferian archetypal qualities in the Hidden Hand or in the channeling of the Law of One or with Aaron C Donahue's pseudo-Luciferian ramblings, or with the modern Masons and Christians, since they are 'gnostics' not Communists or humanists; their idea of salvation is something in their head and has little to do with the economic salvation of humanity and revolution against the economic and religious Archons.

Prometheus: "I will not worship an evil God"

http://www.geocities.com/meister_z/PROMETHM.jpg

It was to Prometheus whom Marx dedicated his PhD thesis. Prometheus is an entirely mythical but also archetypal character. In the Greek myth 'Prometheus Unbound,' he and his mother Gaia plot against his father Zeus (king of the gods) who sought to destroy humankind. In Hesiod's earlier legend he is the Light-bearer who steals fire from Zeus and shares it with humanity. Punished by Zeus, he is chained to a rock where eagles devour his liver, which grows back daily, and thus he is forever tortured for his love of humanity and his hatred of God (Zeus).

It is no wonder that Prometheus is considered an archetypal enemy of the Christians and of the priesthood who are the enemies of humanity and the lovers of that tyrant 'God;' that this archetype is used also by Gnostics and Masons does not mean that they represent this archetype any more that the Christians represent the anti-Capitalist and anti-propertyist martyr Jesus; it is just an archetypal character whom they hide behind. It was Prometheus' mythical cry 'I will not worship an evil God' which so inspired Marx and which is today the cry of he Communists and Anarchists.

Reincarnation

I am always dissmissive of anything pertaining to the belief in reincarnation; I am rather narrow minded on the subject; however I also have personal afterlife beliefs which accord with my subjective experiences; there is an afterlife certainly; there is a realm of gods and goddesses (ancestral spirits) in another realm of Light, but the soul does not reincarnate back to this realm; it remains in ancestral world for eternity. This position, like the position of reincarnationists cannot be proven nor disproven empirically, since the ancestral realms are not empirical to us; we glimpse them only through subjective shamanic experiences which are entirely personal to us.

Magical Working

Channelling is the first step to full blown Schizophrenia (Gr. shattered mind) and 'spiritual possession' in my opinion; it is an act of despair by powerless despairing and often faceless souls who generally claim to speak on behalf of that demon of demons, 'God' himself; that vile enemy and despoiler of all that is good and innocent in the world; the language which appears from 'channellers' is always the familiar sophistry of the priesthood and the Popes of history; it is simply counter-revolutionary.

I do not ask for guidance from the gods (ancestral spirits); I merely seek nothing less than their absolute obedience to my will which is entirely selfless and the agenda of the Anarchists and Communists; I do not speak on behalf of the gods, I would not dare to curse myself with that; I speak only on my own behalf as the eternal enemy of that wretch whom the priesthood of Capital refer to as 'God,' and who in time will be driven from the face of the earth and from under the earth, and will dissapear from Eden when the last priest is buried with the last tyrant.

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,504259,00.jpg

Day of Judgement (the Harvest)

With regards to the 'Harvest' spoken of by HH and in the Law of One texts, this is a reference to the separation of the wheat (the anti-Capitalists and anti-religionists) from the chaff (the Capitalists and religionists) and the casting of the chaff (the devotees of the god of Capital) into the fires of the Final Holocaust, but the Harvest spoken of by HH and in the Law of One is the gnostic defintion of the elites; it is not a proletarian humanist definition, it is not my Communist definition; it does not accord with 'my' self appointed mission and 'my' will, and it has nothing to do with slave revolution, and thus I pronounce it to be heresy and blasphemy; the Final Judgement must and shall be carried out by the future vanguard of Communist Revolution, not by a bunch of gnostics, priests and economic elites who are entirely morally subhuman and economic parasites in my Judgement.

My will be done on Earth and in Heaven.

LL

Lux
http://www.luciferia.tv/animation/A.gif
Fire, Plague and Poisoned Waters.
Communist Revolution in all the World.
The 1000 Year Revolution of Light.

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o348/marikfan13/1208375613414lb6.jpg

realy

04-06-2009, 07:10 PM

^luciferhorus is a wild dude:D I wanted to ask though when you talk about, having spririts submit to your will you dont mean it in the solomons way right? enki will bring back justice to this world!

darketernal

04-06-2009, 07:28 PM

^luciferhorus is a wild dude:D I wanted to ask though when you talk about, having spririts submit to your will you dont mean it in the solomons way right? enki will bring back justice to this world!

I don't think the justice Enki plans to bring would be pleasant or favorable to the majority of us...

sade

04-06-2009, 09:37 PM

That which "ticked me off" the most was the bit about having the tools all around us. Is it the usage of the body and spirit or something else... Hard to "know thyself". Anyone has any ideas?

Im not sure what you're asking.
Are you asking how you can get to know yourself?

It is true though that we have all the tools we need around us,
but mostly we ourselves FAIL to use them because we lack courage.
If people could even get to the point where they admitted to themselves that they lack responsability for their own lives,
then they would be a step closer to the 'source' or whatever you want to call it.

holybeast

05-06-2009, 12:40 AM

the guy basically claims that this info was passed down 1000s of years by his familys he also stated many times he doesnt feel the need to prove it or anything.

realy

05-06-2009, 07:38 AM

the guy basically claims that this info was passed down 1000s of years by his familys he also stated many times he doesnt feel the need to prove it or anything.

^huh?

hey dark I (sometimes)think its best if the world would continue without any human (me, you, everyone) on it or the influence of any type of alien being/spirit, just let the animals and plants take it over again:cool:

darketernal

05-06-2009, 12:59 PM

^huh?

hey dark I (sometimes)think its best if the world would continue without any human (me, you, everyone) on it or the influence of any type of alien being/spirit, just let the animals and plants take it over again:cool:

Remove the people and leave the food? Oh dear, you've bought into some vegan and environmentalist programing. I will agree that we should stop destroying the environment, however we have the means to do so, it is only that the system of control does not allow for this to transpire.

Consider where these thoughts originate within you. Are they your own, or are they the result of social or direct programing? When we recognise something as an external program, it is considerably more easy to remove it or bypass it.

revolutionary_jam

05-06-2009, 03:38 PM

It doesn't really matter the source of the info, it only matters whether it resonates with you or not.

realy

05-06-2009, 05:43 PM

Remove the people and leave the food? Oh dear, you've bought into some vegan and environmentalist programing. I will agree that we should stop destroying the environment, however we have the means to do so, it is only that the system of control does not allow for this to transpire.

Consider where these thoughts originate within you. Are they your own, or are they the result of social or direct programing? When we recognise something as an external program, it is considerably more easy to remove it or bypass it.

something like that, but it extends from hate of humans in general and self disgust(the crowd mentality and such )_ ive been a pessimistic nihilist for the most part of my life, the thought of just having a planet without us has been there for a long time (and its not exactly an eco friendly thing but spiritualy deeper) but i see a few different "brighter" possiblities now dark, cause imo things are manifesting and changing in a subtle but very fast manner.

realy

05-06-2009, 05:46 PM

It doesn't really matter the source of the info, it only matters whether it resonates with you or not.

yeah man i go by synchronicity.

revolutionary_jam

05-06-2009, 06:29 PM

yeah man i go by synchronicity.Yeah plenty synchronicity surrounding this in my quarter!

elirien

06-06-2009, 09:51 PM

Im not sure what you're asking.
Are you asking how you can get to know yourself?

It is true though that we have all the tools we need around us,
but mostly we ourselves FAIL to use them because we lack courage.
If people could even get to the point where they admitted to themselves that they lack responsability for their own lives,
then they would be a step closer to the 'source' or whatever you want to call it.

Yeah that is probably it. Although it is also the road you walk. The main thing is that one has to go ask the creator, source if you like, what his purpose is in this life (i guess that was in this document or in Hidden Hand's. not sure right now) and then do it. Although the asking part confuses me the most.

sade

06-06-2009, 10:41 PM

torus

07-06-2009, 04:15 AM

Yes, the noonday Winter Solstice Sun of December 21st, 2012 is the time when the Lord of The Harvest shall return. You might know him as "Nibiru".

Look at his words and hold fast.
another false prophet will come to pass....

michael christopher

07-06-2009, 04:58 AM

This is highly interesting to me, and I think there is a lot of truth in what the person says. However what it comes down to in the end is that this person is telling people a bunch of entrapping riddles. By telling them to praise "The Good One" and thank him so that they may escape this prison-hell that is the planet earth, he is further engendering the saviour and guilt consciousness that has trapped us here in the first place. Also, to tell people that there is a real Christ but not who it is, is bullshit. I think he's making most of it up. He is very well-versed and knows what he's talking about in regards to how the system operates in general, but I don't think he's a part of it because I can see he's putting forth an emotional agenda to make people fear this reality and feel trapped here, punished by God. That is not how it works. This reality can be divine and beautiful as all realities have the potential to be and it is not a trap at all, it is a lesson for us. We are not supposed to hate it here, nor is the goal supposed to be to ascend as quickly as possible to the higher realms. That was never the purpose. Also, this "I give you the tools to do what you want with" is also bullshit. He doesn't do that to Africans, or Middle-Easterners, or any other extremely poor demographic in the world. This argument is absurd. There is no moral argument for what the banks do. Unless Americans are some kind of special chosen people, as he believes himself to be, then he can't be giving money to certain countries and not others and then claim to be acting out the will of a loving supreme deity even if he includes excruciating pain as part of the "lesson plan" from that loving deity. I know he probably understands that the supreme deity is really yourself, but his speaking in riddles and not acknowledging this personally just confuses people, which is part of the purpose of his presence on the internet. He is supposed to cause more ridiculous questions than provide any answers. It gets people looking around in circles for an answer they will never find. What's the point? He's a guilt-trip and misery program.

This person has a lot of fear to push, which makes me suspicious of the authenticity of his postings.

dynamicwiseman

07-06-2009, 09:40 AM

This guy is a fraud, he had me convinced up until i read the second link. A guy ask him do you worship our God? and his reply is posted below. Just food for thought, this person has knowledge but just like the Venus project, you can sense the evil from beneath all the "good"...creepy stuff, Humans need to stop being so trustworthy of all things that feel "good" and start to realize religion was our last hope until humanity corrupted it.

Having now answered a question on whether or not our lineage is of Human origin, I can return to tie in that answer with an explanation as to "Who is our Creator". I'm dancing close to the line in answering this, but the record needs to be set straight, and I should just about be able to get away with it without incurring my own 'upline's' displeasure.

Let us get to the crux of the matter.

Your Creator, the one you have called 'Yahweh', is not "God" inasmuch as your bible refers to him as being "the One True God". He is 'a' Creator (or Sub-Sub-Logos) rather than the One Infinite Creator. He is not even a Galactic level Logos, but rather, is the Planetary Logos for this one planet.

Our Creator, is the one you refer to as 'Lucifer', "The Light Bearer" and "Bright and Morning Star".
Our Creator is not "The Devil" as he has been spuriously portrayed in your bible. Lucifer is what you would call a "Group Soul" or "Social Memory Complex", which has evolved to the level of the Sixth Density, which in effect, means that he (or more accurately "'we") has evolved to a level sufficient that he (we) has attained a status equal or arguably 'greater' than that of Yahweh (we have evolved higher than him). In appearance, were you to gaze upon Lucifer's fullest expression of our Being, the appearance would be that of a Sun or a "Bright Star". Or, when stepping down into a 3rd Density vibration, we would appear as what you may term an 'Angel' or 'Light Being'.

Allow me to elucidate:

When an entity (Group Soul Complex) evolves to the level of the Sixth Density, it is by comparison to the amount of time it takes to get that far, a mere hop skip and a jump from 8th Density Ultimate Re-Union with The One Infinite Creator, and then from there, back to dissolution into the Source of All, Intelligent Infinity.

We (our Bloodline Families), as a Group Soul or Social Memory Complex (Lucifer), were on the verge of Seventh Density Ascension, though at this level, before Harvest comes, we have the choice to progress higher, or, to return to help others of lower densities with their own evolution, by passing down our knowledge and Wisdom (Light) to those that call upon us for assistance, with their own Free Will.

Now, at this time, having made our decision to stay and help our Galactic Brothers and Sisters in The One, we were assigned a challenging task by the Council of Elders, who act as the Guardians of this Galaxy from their Eighth Density 'Head Quarters' on the planet Saturn.

Yahweh, due to the fact that he had NOT (as was his right as Planetary Logos) handed down his own Free Will to "know thyself" to those incarnating upon 'his' planet, was having very little evolutionary progress therein. So we (Lucifer) were sent to help. Once the order was given from the Council of Elders, we "Fell", or Descended back to a place where we could, with hard work and focus, once again materialize a 3rd Density manifestation of ourself.

Yahweh had agreed to our coming, in fact it was he who had initially asked the Council for a "Catalyst" of change to enter into his Creation, and share the knowledge and wisdom we had attained through our Ascensions. In the absence of Free Will upon the planet, there can be no Polarity, and therefore, nothing to 'choose' between. Just as is portrayed in the book of Genesis, the planet was very "Edenic" in nature. Sure, it was a lovely 'paradise', yet the Beings incarnating there had no agitator toward evolving beyond the 3rd Density, and therefore, little hope of ever making the journey Home, to The One. Yahweh has been happy to keep his own little pet Eden Project in effect, but with little chance of the Souls here making it Home, it had become in effect, an albeit very beautiful 'Prison'. Yahweh was, in modern parlance, running a benign dictatorship.
......

Without Polarity, (derived from Free Will), there is only the Unity of Love and Light, and no choice to experience 'other than' that. So, we were to be the Catalyst for change, in order to provide that choice, thus bringing Polarity. Yahweh agreed that we would introduce the concept of Free Will to Earth's inhabitants, by offering them an initial choice, as to whether they 'wanted' it or not. Hence, "The Tree of the Knowledge of 'Good and Evil'" (or more accurately, the Knowledge of Polarity, of Positive or Negative). Yahweh takes his inhabitants to a new 'garden' and tells them you can do anything you like, except this one thing, thus creating the desire to do the one thing there are told they cannot. Hence, a "Choice". We provide the Catalyst by telling them the benefits of attaining Knowledge, they eat from the tree, and the rest is history.

Yahweh thought that his 'Children' would still choose to obey him, and when he discovered they did not, he became angry. As he himself describes in his scriptures, he is a "Jealous God", and he did not like it that his 'children' had chose to disobey him, and follow our advice. We're already committed to being here for a predefined set of "Cycles" to help provide the Catalyst for Human evolution, namely by offering you the Negative Option, or that which you choose to call "evil". Now that Free Will had been granted, Yahweh could not retract it, and we have to stay here as contracted to continue to provide the planet with the Polarity choice. Since then, Yahweh has confined us (as a Group Soul) here within the Earth's Astral Planes (which is very constricting and uncomfortable for a Being of our Wisdom and experience). The Council of Elders gave us the choice to be released (against Yahweh's will), but at the cancellation of our contract to Serve the planet earth; or to remain and fulfil our assignment, and endure Yahweh's self proclaimed "Wrath". We stayed, but as a karmic result of our Group Soul's confinement by Yahweh, our own individuated Souls were given the mandate (by The Council) to "Rule" over Yahweh's people during our physical incarnations here on your planet.

Let's be clear about one thing though. All of this (physical life / incarnation), is a very intricate and skillfully designed Game, whereby the One Infinite Creator, plays the game of forgetting who It is, so that It can learn to remember, and in doing so, experience and know Itself as Creator. All the way down to us tiny individuated sparks of the All That Is. Off stage, and between "Lives" (zero-point time / anti-matter Universe) as incarnated "human beings", we, all of us / you (as Souls), are great friends. Brothers and Sisters in The One.

Between 'lives' we all have a great laugh about the parts we have performed in the 'play', and look forward to and have great fun preparing the next chapters to act out.

I hope that during the above answer, I have also adequately covered your question on "what is our interpretation of good vrs evil? If not, please say, and I will go into more detail.

Some scary stuff! :eek:

elirien

07-06-2009, 10:54 AM

Elirien, you should read Paulo Coelhos Alchemist. It might answer some of your questions.

And I believe the only person you need to ask what the purpose of your life is, is yourself.
If the HH said that you need to ask the creator, then he is wrong.
The creator is within us, not on the outside.

I certainly don't know what the meaning of my life is.
Hell, I don't even know what I want!
But I believe Im on the road to finding out...

Thank you for your kind suggestions. I hope God will give me the time to read it. Well wherever he is a stronger connection with him comes through the real self (as you have put it). I'll try to ponder upon this another time.

Michael Cristopher:

Very good interpretation. The guilt complex is definitely triggered when you take up his own opinion. Although I can't agree that we as individuals are the supreme deity. We are sparks of a great sun (used here in analogy) imho. Thank you for your comments.

void

07-06-2009, 11:09 AM

Channeling, is untrustworthy. Hosts cannot know if they are getting information pure, or from all manner of levels. It can be seen in a whole range of spiritual 'teachings' and even the big religions. Everything appears fine, and then something wacky will appear in it. Benevolence, and then sudden threatening and extremity or control games. A radio receiver will pick up all manner of messages depending on conditions and locations , and cannot know they are getting the same one channel all the time. This goes for all of the prophets who were visited by angels. Muhammad, with Gabriel etc. It's why the best teachers keep their mouth shut and simply share reality in silent awareness. If they do speak, they keep things very simple and keep the reigns tight in terms of any 'teaching', because as well as outside interference, it can also be filtered through the mind organism of the host with their own particular views on things and latent desires to control people or receive adoration or what have you.

runciter

07-06-2009, 11:15 AM

michael christopher

07-06-2009, 03:38 PM

Michael Cristopher:

Very good interpretation. The guilt complex is definitely triggered when you take up his own opinion. Although I can't agree that we as individuals are the supreme deity. We are sparks of a great sun (used here in analogy) imho. Thank you for your comments.

Another thing I noticed is that this person is insanely egomaniacal. First he assumes he is a prison warden and that higher beings have handed this gift down to him. He doesn't question whether the higher being speaking to him is actually Satanic or demonic in nature, which it is, because the mechanism which allows this thought to continue inside of him is his own egomania. He thinks keeping secrets from people is helping them and that suffering is actually good. He pushes this suffering because he thinks it's divine lesson - sounds like a complete sociopath.

He worships a more intellectual version of the evil Jewish God of the old testament.

realy

07-06-2009, 06:05 PM

individual human interpetration goes a long way in confusing anything and everything_ I dont trust most things but you can see the core truth in most things also.

h1s_l0rdsh1p

07-06-2009, 06:22 PM

These pop up every 3 to 4 years.

I'll admit, the first insider opened a door way for me to journey to where I now am. I'm looked at everything he's said and it all makes sense to me.

It all really starts to make sense.

Good... Evil... Everything.
I'm really starting to understand it.

Even within myself. :-)

The true polarity. What it truly is. Why it is the way it is.
I'll let you one thing I've learned.

Necessary evil.
Do not confuse this with "needing evil to live comfortably".
Rather, we need an "agitator" or an "advisory" to "over come", so that we may grow and progress.

elirien

07-06-2009, 07:47 PM

Another thing I noticed is that this person is insanely egomaniacal. First he assumes he is a prison warden and that higher beings have handed this gift down to him. He doesn't question whether the higher being speaking to him is actually Satanic or demonic in nature, which it is, because the mechanism which allows this thought to continue inside of him is his own egomania. He thinks keeping secrets from people is helping them and that suffering is actually good. He pushes this suffering because he thinks it's divine lesson - sounds like a complete sociopath.

He worships a more intellectual version of the evil Jewish God of the old testament.

Well I don't know anything about his character. Although the main plan according to him and many other is that through this negative element humans progress faster (of course if they choose too). There is a saying in Turkish (could be from the Qur'an) that says: "the devil seeps into hasty working".

shiny

08-06-2009, 04:24 PM

I just finished reading the hidden_hand text. I’m still absorbing it but there’s a fair amount of stuff in there that resonates with me. And there’s also quite a bit of stuff that either doesn’t resonate, I don’t ‘get’ or that I’m suspicious of. I’m not convinced but I do like some of what is written – that the bad in the world today is a catalyst for us to evolve and decide who we are in relation to it – that makes perfect sense to me and a good way to look at ‘evil’ without getting angry or fearful. You can’t have good without knowing bad, right? So we should bless all people, events and circumstances and give thanks. That we are all one – totally.

The stuff about the harvest, Yahweh, Lucifer and them having to achieve 95% negative by creating all the bad and doing it coz they love us, etc, well that’s just so alien to me I can’t readily accept it. And I don’t know if I need to accept it either. If the harvest is gonna happen it’s gonna happen.
What he says about the harvest, how the lukewarms will have a mystical experience then carry on as normal, how service to others is the path to positive polarity... This to me has similarities with what I’ve read about project blue beam and also what I’ve read about the coming of the maitreya (some say the anti-christ) whose message will emphasise service to others. http://www.share-international.org/ for writings channelled thru Benjamin creme. Also the transmission meditation which comes from the maitreya is the same as The Great Invocation from the Lucis Trust and the purpose of it is to be of service to others.

As it says in what I read about blue beam, ‘The result of these deliberately staged events will be to show the world the new 'christ,' the new messiah, Matraia (Maitreya), for the immediate implementation of the new world religion. Enough truth will be foisted upon an unsuspecting world to hook them into the lie. "Even the most learned will be deceived."

I suspect that this is such a mixture of truth and lies.

informationx

08-06-2009, 04:42 PM

I have seen that post a long time ago. Personally I would of tried to track the IP from the original post, to try and figure out who the poster was.

If they were smart they would of been using a proxy service to hide the tracks.

and justice for all

08-06-2009, 05:38 PM

For some perspective... this “insider” posted that, originally on the GLP (name I can't post because it's banned here, and I don't blame them) forum. GLP is known to be psy-op site (search it the info is all over the net). With possible connections to the Tavistock Institute or some other ‘psychological-social engineering’ organization. The site is bugged with spy-ware.

michael christopher

08-06-2009, 10:43 PM

Well I don't know anything about his character. Although the main plan according to him and many other is that through this negative element humans progress faster (of course if they choose too). There is a saying in Turkish (could be from the Qur'an) that says: "the devil seeps into hasty working".

It is true that through a negative element that things progress faster, but his justifications for the dark things he claims to do, such as giving Westerners money to make things out of and not others in the world, is absolutely ridiculous. This person speaks in riddles, answers questions with more questions, is extremely vague, pushes fear and guilt, comes off as egomaniacal (he certainly thinks he's better than the people reading his garbage), etc. Yes, natural darkness - predatorial nature - is truly necessary, because we must overcome our predators. However, this predator acts like he's not a predator at all, but a kind benefactor whom we owe some kind of energy - this is made obvious with the authority through which he speaks, while at the same time never bothering to back up that authority with any sort of logic.

He claims to be light while actually pushing darkness. That is fine, lots of people do that - usually con-men and sociopaths. This person is not enlightened. He wouldn't be able to tell you why Americans are more deserving of luxury than Africans. He wouldn't be able to tell you why he expects people to overcome the very obstacles he is putting up before them, and occasionally killing them for trying to overcome. He can't tell you why he's so evil, he can only tell you that his evil is good and that his "Good One" that we should all pray to (haha) created this whole thing. He also paints torture and evil as good, and claims that it is what true love from God is. Love is guidance away from pain, it is not pain itself. Pain is the absence of knowledge, not the instilling of it. This person would probably be a great cult leader, since he spews off all kinds of mystic sound garbage that he's stolen from other sources.

He takes the grains of truth and mixes them in with absolutely dark statements implying that the earth is evil and we need to be doing our best to get off of it, part of doing our best being to follow the rules that he (as our wonderful benefactor who is telling us these truths we are too stupid to see for ourselves) is laying out so that we don't have to be reincarnated.

If he's so great, why the hell is he stuck on earth with us? Oh, I forgot... he's just such a good guy.

He is either a deeply disturbed human being with little to no empathy, or a complete liar.

lord summerisle

08-06-2009, 11:13 PM

hephens

09-06-2009, 03:14 PM

See it took me awhile to understand so reading it a few times would help, i am only a young person but have been doing lots of research into alien contactees, spiritualism (like what people have to say or OBE to the astral planes) and people who have workd for the goverment in black op, secret space program, secret underground bases and new world order plans (george green a great read). in the 05 and 08 reading from what i have been researching alot of this makes sense umm, well for spirtual side its like we have a contract here on earth and that we plan many events and futre lives with others but its to our safety that when we are born here we do not remember past lives or who we are. he mentions particular alien races that have a negative agenda that being the reptilians from alpha draconis and the greys from zeta reticuli star systems. when he mentions that they are lucifer and we come from the infinite creator well there is only one creator that did this and pockets of negativity form in this universe for those who don't want to evolve. I mean for alot of you may have only been reading a few authors on conspiracy i have looked at a whole range from here to space and spirit and this guy is either insane or he knows something.

chateaux

09-06-2009, 07:26 PM

Remember there is no such thing as fake or real, right or wrong - just your perceptions or a particular thought. You decide what is real in your reality and this is what allows you to grow.

You really do have all the tools at your disposal and they truly are all around you. It is your free choice to firstly learn how to use them and then to decide how you are going to implement them. For instance - shaping your thoughts is a tool, shaping your words is a tool, how you breath, how you think about how you breath, how you compose yourself, how you feel about yourself while awake while you sleep, how you decide to dream, how you decide to act in your dreams and what you decide to learn... I could go on.

In every circumstance you have the choice to be accountable or a victim. Its up to you and neither can be right or wrong as the learning from it is essential.

I was not thinking is this true or false while reading "Revelations of an elite family insider" I was more interested in the hidden gems of the contributors as well as the responses. What insights have I learnt from this and how can I test them in my life is what is important, to me. What is important to you?

Now here is the kicker, if I find something to be false, its not because the post was purposeful misinformation or purposeful deception, on the contrary it was as it is and my learning from it would be experiential/cellular as apposed to cognitive.

Good post and thank you.

and justice for all

09-06-2009, 09:30 PM

The rumour/theory as to who it was i read a while back. He is supposed to have been portugese and has now passed away ? God knows were.

What I was trying to say is that there’s a high probability that the whole thing was a psy-op. A study to see how people react and/or receive the 'message'. They did the same with the “Aussie Insider” it was all cointelpro type tactics. They do this regularly on that site.