Buying/Obtaining Land and Common Law

[freedom_thoughts]

I was just wondering what everyones views were about how Common Law can be used in buying/obtaining a piece of land to live on?

I have taken myself away from reading much more about Common Law and the Freeman movement for the last few months, and have been living my life as I see fit, but I have been thinking of things lately and I am thinking of some possibilities with regards to living on some land and for some reason I thought back to Common Law etc.

Here's my thinking...

I currently work for a farmer, and I live on his land too.

We might have come to an agreement where I barter some land from him for some of my time and skills, then we might sign an agreement that the land is mine and been bartered with my sweat and blood and I am free to do what I wish with it (with us both agreeing anything he/she wouldn't want me to do with it!) ... then I use the land for what I want,.

Here I am living on the this piece of land, built myself a cob house, got myself some animals and veggies etc. I get myself everything I need from the outside world as and when I need to by bartering my time and skills.

One day Joe Bloggs turns up from the local council and asks for the owner of this land, I give him my name (which has been changed from my original forced upon me name a few years ago, I also have no documents nor id cards etc showing my previous name and therefore nothing chaining me to 'their' system) ... so I give him my name and he throws ZZ statute at me saying that ZZ says I cannot build a cob house without 'their' permission nor can I keep animals on the land either.

I turn round and say that as I have never consented to this ZZ statute or at any time given my consent to be governed by the people that have issued this ZZ statute and also I have never consented nor wanted to be part of their society that they have created to be run by these same statutes and acts .. therefore ZZ statute does not apply to me!

I watch Joe Bloggs walk off into the sunset whilst I get back to getting me goats out of my veggie patch!!

Hazaar, V is for Victory, surely?

......

Would appreciate some honest feedback and comments on this.

Thanks

A simple man leading a simple life.

[mark will i am]

And they send you a demoliton order with provisions to prove you've complied and if you haven't they'll send a bulldozer over and bill you for it.

This issue is one that i would like to look into further because I have stayed at a place that has already had not one but two visits from the local council. It came after a disgruntled resident left and dobbed them in to the council (byron bay, nsw, australia).

Short of applying for and gaining planning permission things would get interesting and you would want to know all the Freeman knowledge you can muster to keep them out of your property further.

[yozhik]

You may find this helpful and relevant;

http://ecclesia.org/truth/land.html

[freedom_thoughts]

You may find this helpful and relevant;

http://ecclesia.org/truth/land.html

THANK YOU Yozhik, VERY much appreciated!!:)

[yozhik]

THANK YOU Yozhik, VERY much appreciated!!:)

You're welcome ;)

One of the key topics in this article is the importance of "close over the land" as opposed to "trespass".

Some excellent points made in it.

[john doe]

(oh my me)

Only this week were we discussing this in the irish freeman chapter.

Thank you once again!

Invaluable.

[mark will i am]

Hmm very interesting

-and so begins my search of the titles office.

[freedom_thoughts]

hmmmm, after my initial reading of the first few paragraphs I was quite excited, however, after reading the whole article, I am back to where I started.

I've never been a believer in a god, and although I knew after the first few paragraphs of that page that it was going to be completely about the belief of god and what he/she has given us, I was willing to give it a chance and decided to read the whole lot.

But after reading it, and reading it again, I am unable to bring myself to be able to use it to live on the land the way I want to.

....

I just don't get this whole idea of bowing down to someone or something.

I don't get why there are people who believe that they have to pay homage to some all powerful being.

I don't care if one day it is proven that some being created me and my surroundings , I will not bow down to them as their inferior or even just to say thanks .... I was created, great ... now let me live my life.

I am equal to anything and everything that ever is, was or will be.

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I see no other way than to use the methods that have already been uncovered in common law to go against statutes and acts with regards to living on some land like I want to.

So, as things stand right now, as I have not willingly given my consent to be governed by those people who have created a statute or act to govern me, meaning that any statute or act is not valid for me, I see no valid reason why I should not continue on the path I will do.

Thanks for the info again though peeps.

[yozhik]

hmmmm, after my initial reading of the first few paragraphs I was quite excited, however, after reading the whole article, I am back to where I started.

I've never been a believer in a god, and although I knew after the first few paragraphs of that page that it was going to be completely about the belief of god and what he/she has given us, I was willing to give it a chance and decided to read the whole lot.

But after reading it, and reading it again, I am unable to bring myself to be able to use it to live on the land the way I want to.

....

I just don't get this whole idea of bowing down to someone or something.

I don't get why there are people who believe that they have to pay homage to some all powerful being.

I don't care if one day it is proven that some being created me and my surroundings , I will not bow down to them as their inferior or even just to say thanks .... I was created, great ... now let me live my life.

I am equal to anything and everything that ever is, was or will be.

.....

I see no other way than to use the methods that have already been uncovered in common law to go against statutes and acts with regards to living on some land like I want to.

So, as things stand right now, as I have not willingly given my consent to be governed by those people who have created a statute or act to govern me, meaning that any statute or act is not valid for me, I see no valid reason why I should not continue on the path I will do.

Thanks for the info again though peeps.

Sure ... but look at the info from a slightly different angle.

If you do not bow to anyone or anything, then where did "they" acquire ownership of the land?
Surely the land is all of ours?
Now, whilst you do not have to hold religion as the foundation, the teachings from religion can be interpreted in a way to make you more comfortable.

Anything we read ... any thing and everything ... will be the fictitious representation of the author's opinions or interpretation.

A written word is a fiction of the word itself.
It represents the message in written form.

What you have read is information with a religious interpretation; now interpret it in your style.

:)

[freedom_thoughts]

Sure ... but look at the info from a slightly different angle.

A written word is a fiction of the word itself.
It represents the message in written form.

What you have read is information with a religious interpretation; now interpret it in your style.

:)

Hmmmm, interesting indeed Yozhik, interesting indeed.

I had tried to read it again and tried to replace the religious mentions with my own interpretations, but it proved to be quite hard .... but after thinking about it some more, and reading it again just now, I'm starting to see a different picture, I'll read it again during the week after thinking about it some more and see where it takes me......

Thanks for offering a different perspective!

:)

[scottmurray]

the land registry is currently trying to encourage volintary registration
http://www1.landregistry.gov.uk/solidground/

[freedom_thoughts]

the land registry is currently trying to encourage volintary registration
http://www1.landregistry.gov.uk/solidground/

Yeah I noticed that, but doesn't make a difference to be honest.

If you own land but are not using it, then someone else can try and claim it, simple.

[yozhik]

Rob Menard went into some detail regarding Claim of Right for land.

I remember reading that this was used VERY successfully in New Zealand.
Placing a claim of right on Crown Land has been done successfully and upheld by the Courts. A man of Maori descent had built a makeshift house or some other form of building on unused Crown land. He then correctly process his Claim of Right. When the Crown attempted to have him removed, he presented the Court with his perfectly executed documents ... job done.

Don't ask me for a link ... I don't have it.
It exists though.

[freedom_thoughts]

Rob Menard went into some detail regarding Claim of Right for land.

I remember reading that this was used VERY successfully in New Zealand.
Placing a claim of right on Crown Land has been done successfully and upheld by the Courts. A man of Maori descent had built a makeshift house or some other form of building on unused Crown land. He then correctly process his Claim of Right. When the Crown attempted to have him removed, he presented the Court with his perfectly executed documents ... job done.

Don't ask me for a link ... I don't have it.
It exists though.

Been to NZ a few years back, fantastic place ... best thing of all though??

Lots of land, not alot of people! :D

[yozhik]

Been to NZ a few years back, fantastic place ... best thing of all though??

Lots of land, not alot of people! :D

4 million people.
70 million sheep.

No excuses if you're cold, hungry or lonely. :rolleyes:

"New Zealand ... where the men are MEN! ... and the sheep are scared ..."

[janedoe]

My sentiments exactly and it shall be done. As does Yoz agrees. Perspective/Interpretation..Best of luck