Detained at Canadian Border Agency

[seo_monster]

Hello People,

Well first of all I am new here. Anyways here is my question. I was recently travelling to Europe(Austria). When I was going through all the EU customs I never had a single issue.

When I came back To Canada I was detained for over 40 minutes. I was asked(in suspicion) why was I travelling to Europe, what do I do for a living. I was told several times that my trip was too short for travelling.

So my entire bag was searched. And these fuckers even wanted to login into my laptop. I was asked literally several times what do I do for a living.

Note I am a white caucasian. I am a stock trader. Am 20 years old. Do not own any bank accounts in Canada or US.

Never in my life filed taxes or worked. Got this SIN bullshit from my parents when I was young(I would have never applied for that if I knew what was going in the world at 14 years old as that's when my parents got me my SIN).

I was asked why was going to Austria, whether I knew someone there, how I travelled there, why do I have the money to travel there. I replied that my parents paid everything off(I used my mothers card intentionally just in case if
anyone asks before the trip. So I made up I bunch of bullshit to their questions that I was a college students and I was just trvelling on my parents funds, etc.


So the question is to all of you knowledgeable in this area: WHAT ARE MY RIGHTS ON CANADIAN BORDER AS A CANADIAN CITIZEN? AM I ALLOWED TO BE DETAINED WITHOUT A REASON?

ARE THE CUSTOMS ALLOWED TO LOGIN MY LAPTOP? (I had very private investment information stored on it and was visiting a bank in Austria regarding a certain consultation. My laptop battery was dead at the time and I did not have a power cord so they could not do anything.)

I WAS TOLD THAT ANYONE COULD BE SEARCHED WITHOUT A REASON. (But I know that I was detained under a certain suspicion as I know that I was told several times that my trip was too short for travelling(2.5 days).)


SO COULD ANYONE EXPLAIN WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED TO ME? I WONDER WHETHER MY RIGHTS WERE DIRECTLY VIOLATED AND WHETHER I SHOULD PRESS CHARGES? (AS I WAS TRASPORTING MY PRIVATE INVESTMENT INFO).

Thanks for advance for anyones input on this!

[yozhik]

I think you know the answer.

However, the "truth" isn't always upheld in a Statute World.

[seo_monster]

So I guess the truth is that anyone can be detained without any reason and in these circumstances I had no rights at all?

What was even more disturbing is that I was the only one searched that brutallyt out of the entire flight.

There were only Arabic and East Indian people in the "search room". I am a white caucasian. Like even those other guys were not searched like this.

To be honest this does not look like a coincidence. Anyones agrees?

Any other suggestions, comments?

[yozhik]

So I guess the truth is that anyone can be detained without any reason and in these circumstances I had no rights at all?

What was even more disturbing is that I was the only one searched that brutallyt out of the entire flight.

There were only Arabic and East Indian people in the "search room". I am a white caucasian. Like even those other guys were not searched like this.

To be honest this does not look like a coincidence. Anyones agrees?

Any other suggestions, comments?

It's wrong.
It is a breach of your Rights as a living soul.
However, the system will not recognise that.
The court will ignore any such argument.

If you have a passport, a driver's licence, etc ... you have accepted - no, begged - for all of the trinkets which they use to justify treating you as a "thing". Quid pro quo.

[seo_monster]

Well I still wonder how in the world would exactly me was picked out of all the massive amount of people in there?

It just doesn't make logical sense!

[tom bombadil]

Well I still wonder how in the world would exactly me was picked out of all the massive amount of people in there?

It just doesn't make logical sense!

It is not impossable that your traveling dates had 'flagged' them of your short and therefore guilty traveling passtime.


Nelly.

[seo_monster]

It is not impossable that your traveling dates had 'flagged' them of your short and therefore guilty traveling passtime.


Nelly.


So basically a so called short trip(3 days exactly in my case) is now considered a criminal suspicion?

[rosix]

regardless of all the other facts, it sounds like you contracted when you most certainly did not need to. Airports are unique areas but as far as I'm aware, you can still deny access to any of your property unless there is 'probable cause' or whatever it's called, in which case, you need to get them to SAY to you that there is probable cause and what has given them probable cause to search your bag.

[rosix]

also, I have quite a lot of knowledge of this happening to young world-travellers (like professional gamblers) - they VERY likely picked you because they expected you to be both a pushover AND have nice things to (unjustifiably in most cases*) 'confiscate' from you.

[bulletproofheart]

This happened to me the first time I visited the states.I was marched in to a room and left for ages just to make me even more terrified.Ransacked my bag then left me to put everything back in.

[seo_monster]

regardless of all the other facts, it sounds like you contracted when you most certainly did not need to. Airports are unique areas but as far as I'm aware, you can still deny access to any of your property unless there is 'probable cause' or whatever it's called, in which case, you need to get them to SAY to you that there is probable cause and what has given them probable cause to search your bag.

Well that makes sense to a point. I did not do much when I was searched as I was in really tremendous shock since this is the first time this ever happened to me.

What doesn't make sense is that I actually asked several times whether there was a suspicion and the reply was always the same: Anyone can be randomly picked and searched. OBVIOUSLY it wasn't random as I was told several times that my trip was too short for just travelling.

But how far does this go if I were to argue heavily and deny them access to everything as they gave no cause. What would happen? I would be put to jail and then there would be a court case about this?

[seo_monster]

also, I have quite a lot of knowledge of this happening to young world-travellers (like professional gamblers) - they VERY likely picked you because they expected you to be both a pushover AND have nice things to (unjustifiably in most cases*) 'confiscate' from you.

So I wonder if you are "known" to be wealthy, you will be searched heavily?

So how come there is no problems in the EU and South America?

So it is just North America this fucked? Note I haven't actually ever visited US(and not ever planning to).

[seo_monster]

This happened to me the first time I visited the states.I was marched in to a room and left for ages just to make me even more terrified.Ransacked my bag then left me to put everything back in.

I actually wonder were you a Canadian? Or a Arabic background?

[tom bombadil]

regardless of all the other facts, it sounds like you contracted when you most certainly did not need to. Airports are unique areas but as far as I'm aware, you can still deny access to any of your property unless there is 'probable cause' or whatever it's called, in which case, you need to get them to SAY to you that there is probable cause and what has given them probable cause to search your bag.

I like this. So is it an issue of company policy (of the airport) therefore to search and thus one may have already signed the dotted line when agreaing to use that port?

Is this for uk or other rosix?


Nelly.

[rosix]

from my experience, the people who are truly in charge of 'protecting' an airport and its contents are the soldiers/special forces units stationed there and in most countries they do not interract much with the customers of the airport (although for example in some UK airports they make sure to have some guys with massive guns out and about the check-in desks to instill a tonne of fear etc.) The whole business going through security and having your bag scanned etc. is for the most part A BIG CHARADE TO GIVE THE FALSIFIED FEELING OF SECURITY TO THE CUSTOMERS. Most of the people working at these security stations think they're the last line of defence for the poor weak customers travelling from the airport, and some of them completely power-trip in their role. Most of these people think that if something is written up on a sign in an airport, that's enough to make it law and have it thereby enforced as such.. trying to ask them where in actual law these things are written and you will be half-way to a room where you'll be taking off all your clothes :)

as far as contracts in airports, I THINK you have without full disclosure (or any at all?) contracted with them in buying the ticket. I will be looking to test my freedoms in this area as much as possible in the near future though, such as by travelling using an International Family Certificate/Book instead of a passport etc.

[rosix]

So I wonder if you are "known" to be wealthy, you will be searched heavily?

So how come there is no problems in the EU and South America?

So it is just North America this fucked? Note I haven't actually ever visited US(and not ever planning to).

I don't think it's just about being known to be wealthy
it's about the likelihood of you being a pushover, ignorant of your rights etc.
it's about the likelihood of you having something in your possession that's illegal or where the legality is not completely clear to most in the public
it's about tips from the country's taxing agencies :(

[rosix]

Well that makes sense to a point. I did not do much when I was searched as I was in really tremendous shock since this is the first time this ever happened to me.

What doesn't make sense is that I actually asked several times whether there was a suspicion and the reply was always the same: Anyone can be randomly picked and searched. OBVIOUSLY it wasn't random as I was told several times that my trip was too short for just travelling.

But how far does this go if I were to argue heavily and deny them access to everything as they gave no cause. What would happen? I would be put to jail and then there would be a court case about this?

these guys are power-tripping like motherfuckers and are SO used to getting away with it - people have usually not given themselves several hours spare time when travelling (rightly so!) and just want to get through ANY proceedings as fast as possible and this includes complying with all the bullshit they don't have to.

you have to catch them out in their lies and contradictions (when they say some bullshit like it was random, get them to repeat it for absolute clarity and then ask them questions so that they naturally contradict themselves) and if nothing else, try and have a pen and paper and be writing EVERYTHING said down, preferably with the time at which it was said marked down too. I think as soon as possible it's best to ask whether they've taken an oath, what that oath was, what has given them jurisdiction over you, etc. etc.

[radi astral]

I could be wrong, but something tells me, if you had told them flat out from the start, that you don't consent to any searches, requested their names, ranks and badge numbers/IDs, and informed them, that you understand the nature of their job, but they better have dead good reason to detain and search you, because if not, you will file a written and witnessed complaint to their supervisor and seek compensation for the stress they cause you, they would have been way nicer..

[seo_monster]

I could be wrong, but something tells me, if you had told them flat out from the start, that you don't consent to any searches, requested their names, ranks and badge numbers/IDs, and informed them, that you understand the nature of their job, but they better have dead good reason to detain and search you, because if not, you will file a written and witnessed complaint to their supervisor and seek compensation for the stress they cause you, they would have been way nicer..

I might give this a try IF this situation comes out again.

Going to get the fuck out of Canada for good. It is actually getting just as shitty here as in the US.

[yozhik]

I might give this a try IF this situation comes out again.

Going to get the fuck out of Canada for good. It is actually getting just as shitty here as in the US.

Not trying to be antagonistic ... but where do you think is any better?

Forget the Police State of the U.K - its no better.

France is turning - just read the posts on this forum regarding recent changes.

Eastern Europe? Economies are SHITE ... look at Latvia's recent bond failure (not a single note sold, in a $100 million auction) ... Ukraine's hyperbolic debt to the IMF and Poland and Hungary currency freefalls.

Italy, Spain, Austria ... economies shite and fragile.

The Scandanavian Posse? Sure - if you don't mind even fewer liberties and don't suffer government claustrophobia.

Australia?
If the U.S is Dr Evil, then Australia is just the political version of Mini Me.

The U.S?
Noone, other than the clinically insane, would consider going there!

I mean ... seriously ... where do you perceive the grass to be greener?

[seo_monster]

Not trying to be antagonistic ... but where do you think is any better?

Forget the Police State of the U.K - its no better.

France is turning - just read the posts on this forum regarding recent changes.

Eastern Europe? Economies are SHITE ... look at Latvia's recent bond failure (not a single note sold, in a $100 million auction) ... Ukraine's hyperbolic debt to the IMF and Poland and Hungary currency freefalls.

Italy, Spain, Austria ... economies shite and fragile.

The Scandanavian Posse? Sure - if you don't mind even fewer liberties and don't suffer government claustrophobia.

Australia?
If the U.S is Dr Evil, then Australia is just the political version of Mini Me.

The U.S?
Noone, other than the clinically insane, would consider going there!

I mean ... seriously ... where do you perceive the grass to be greener?

I know what you mean but you are not going to have to wake up in cold sweat over in Panama, Argentina, Costa Rica that someone is after your bank account. Everywhere else you have to watch your back.

In most Latin American countries if you are wealthy you can hide( without showing off your money of course). I have travelled a lot and that's where my opinion comes through. I feel safer there. I don't get the police tell me where to go and or what to do like it is in Canada.

Ukraine(I am born in Odessa) is pretty good if you are just living there and not associating with anyone.

[yozhik]

Ukraine(I am born in Odessa) is pretty good if you are just living there and not associating with anyone.

Well, at least the women are SENSATIONAL!! :D

[seo_monster]

Well, at least the women are SENSATIONAL!! :D


LOL true, but with very low morals too. Borderline impossible to get married as everyone tries to mimic America in behaviour.

LOL it is actually impossible to get married anywhere. Everyone wants money. It's like devils greed. Women want to live off something they didn't earn. And it is damn hard to share assets with someone that does not love you but tells you the latter.

[the worm that turned]

LOL true, but with very low morals too. Borderline impossible to get married as everyone tries to mimic America in behaviour.

LOL it is actually impossible to get married anywhere. Everyone wants money. It's like devils greed. Women want to live off something they didn't earn. And it is damn hard to share assets with someone that does not love you but tells you the latter.

Quite a sweeping and sensationalist statement about women! Sometimes you can be lucky and meet a great woman (or man) who really couldn't give a damn about money. Anyway, off topic - good luck choosing the right place to live. Once you have made your decision stick by it and no regrets.

This world is changing and it will be for the better. Even best laid plans can come crumbling down when they are actually put into effect. Just roll with it dude!