Islam and the UK

[adbasque]

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Hitler was an extremist Christian then ''presented himself as a Christian full stop''

hmm ok...

It beggars belief though. Both of those religions claim all kind of things, but we all know that they were also a tool to convert other countries and use violence. If those two religions (plus Judaism) want to have a bright future, better start deleting the shitty parts in the 'holy' books.
It's out of time. :)

You could take a look at these two links :)
http://www.bedfordgaol.com/walkersite.html

they both talk about it

http://www.christiancadre.org/topics/hitler.html

[gilly]

Please, people, could the debate continue without any further derogetory personal remarks.

[lizzy]

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hmm ok...

It beggars belief though. Both of those religions claim all kind of things, but we all know that they were also a tool to convert other countries and use violence. If those two religions (plus Judaism) want to have a bright future, better start deleting the shitty parts in the 'holy' books.
It's out of time. :)

yes element.....and in my books this is what ES exposes .......ES is an 'equal opportunity' religion / mason basher , his research is always well founded.:D

This is also true.....quote.

1: the elite run/operate peado rings, its stems from occult/satanic practices.

the elite run the sex/human trafficking, drugs, weapon trades. thus rings coming from christianity, islam, judaism etc exist. but the people operating these rings, are not from any religion, other than a satanic one. they use the organised religions as cover/diguise. its about image, fooling the electorate, eg i am good christian, family man, i am good muslim vote for me, etc.

thus the religion of the elite is satanism/luciferic/occult.

to blame any organised religion is myopic and inaccurate imho.

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I feel there is much blame to go around..the elite control religion.
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[alzee]

Anyone can edit or write a wiki article, not a good source.
Regardless the Hadiths are part of Koran, and are considered divine instructions.
You still genitally mutilate your boys from your religious instructions, to form a covenant with your God. The Koran, Hadiths, Sharia are likened to the Talmud of Judaism. (which is their main authority)

Not I fella, I'm not a Muslim.

[flickflack]

Ermmm Yes it is the largest religion, Christianity is losing followers day in day out, but Islam is gaining more everyday.

Check stats and facts and you'll know.

The Islam is said to be the fastest growing religion in the world, but Islam is still not the only religion that claim to be the fastest growing religion in the world today. Other religions also believe they are the fastest growing in the world. I think one have to be an expert to find out the definite numbers.

[adbasque]

good to see frank and open debate.

Some people here are having a frank and an open debate, others are using it as an opportunity to slander, twist facts, add stuff, remove stuff, lie, make up stories, use fake sources to back their argument, not from ignorance though, but it's a deliberate attemtp to falsify facts and undermine a religion and it's followers whom ever they are.


however there a few things people need to be objective about about.

1: the elite run/operate peado rings, its stems from occult/satanic practices.

the elite run the sex/human trafficking, drugs, weapon trades. thus rings coming from christianity, islam, judaism etc exist. but the people operating these rings, are not from any religion, other than a satanic one. they use the organised religions as cover/diguise. its about image, fooling the electorate, eg i am good christian, family man, i am good muslim vote for me, etc.

thus the religion of the elite is satanism/luciferic/occult.

to blame any organised religion is myopic and inaccurate imho.
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Very true
spot on :)

[adbasque]

The unfortunate thing, anyone can preach Love, Peace, Equality,Unity, but what's really hidden behind the rib cages humm:rolleyes:

It's amazing we call, evil, we accuse evil of whatever but the fact remains, evil is "man", God help us if we had neighbours on other planets that didn't look like us, that didn't act or lived like us, and if we had the power, I am sure it's probably the only time the human race, will ever come together to try and kill them not because they've done something to us, simply because they are different from us.


That's probably the only thing that would bring us together, when we finish with them, we come back we will start fighting each other all over again.

Very weird species, human race, very complex piece of machinery.

Maybe the NWO is inevitable, after all, oh well I don't care anymore, when it's too late maybe people will realise what they should've done.

I am sick of all this nonsense, there's too much hatred than anything else, this forum perhaps is just a glimpse of what is out there in the real world, it's a fraction.

[adbasque]

The Islam is said to be the fastest growing religion in the world, but Islam is still not the only religion that claim to be the fastest growing religion in the world today. Other religions also believe they are the fastest growing in the world. I think one have to be an expert to find out the definite numbers.

There's a difference between "The" and "One Of The"

Islam is not The but one of "The"

[eternal_spirit]

Not I fella, I'm not a Muslim.

Okay apologies. I get labeled things I'm not alot round here. I used to defend the Muslims a while ago (when I knew little about Islam) But not now I've done some reseach plus the attitude of some of them on here.

[swethirte]

You could take a look at these two links :)
http://www.bedfordgaol.com/walkersite.html

they both talk about it

http://www.christiancadre.org/topics/hitler.html

“Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs. When the Mohammedans attempted to penetrate beyons France into Central Europe during the eighth century, his visitors had told him, they had been driven back at the Battle of Tour. Had the Arabs won the battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. The Germanic peoples would have become heirs to that religion. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan empire.

Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking: ‘You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?’ It is remarkable that even before the war he sometimes went on: “Today the Siberians, the White Russians, and the people of the steppes live extremely healthy lives. For this reason they are better equipped for development and in the long run biologically superior to the Germans.’ This was an idea he was destined to repeat in far more drastic tones during the last months of the war."

Source: Albert Speer: Inside the Third Reich http://pedestrianinfidel.blogspot.com/2007/11/adolf-hitler-on-islam.html

[eternal_spirit]

You reported me to whom Obama?
How pathetic is that?
of course you would, you would like to see me leave this forum being banned, you are the one spreading hatred, I can go back to last year, you are a hateful person.

Pitiful even, I stopped talking to you a while back because I know who you are, I know exactly who you are, try and fool others, well you haven't fooled anyone, a person just arrived to this forum and picked you, does that say something to you?

Go a head report me, I won't do the same, I am not your age, grow up a bit, you're full of hatred and bigotry dude;)

A lot of people on this forum, I noticed on many threads picked you as a moron.
You want me out of this forum because I am telling you the truth in your face and you hate that, what are you afraid of? hein?

You're trying to label me, report me wow big deal, you're full of hatred and it's bad for the soul the mind and the body.

I don't hate people, I speak my mind when some bigot like you spreads lies, all you do day in day out is spread lies, do you want me to go and get your last posts?

I was talking about BNP with someone else you came in with "F**** you" you started your post with *FY* was I talking to you? did I call your name?

Who's the bigot now you or me? as usual you guys do things and twist them around and accuse others.

You don't fool me, I've known you here for a while, I can draw your psycholigical profile in 5 minutes.
Don't play this game you're still tiny.

Now go away, I told you not to ever talk to me again. ignore my existence

Well if reporting you is the only way to shut you up with your lies, name calling, and to get the thread back on topic. I've told you how wrong you were with your lies many times before, but no you still had to continue with lies and character defamation (troll)

You're the one who's full of hate.
You really hate me and the fact that I prove your religion shows and acts out of hatred for none Muslims as instructed by your religion, you just add to these facts with your replys!

I was F*** about gential mutilation (makes me angry when people like you advocate it even though there's medical experts have proven it's wrong) even some Jews are now against it! Including some Rabbis. I've posted the proof to you before.


A psychologist couldn't help you.
I maybe able to help you de-programme from your religious programming, infact people like me are your best hope. Unless you are really an extremist Muslim plant. Yet you claim to be an English man who converted to Islam?

A number of people have started on me here, and put me on ignore, because I eventually gave them some Karma in return. You think you can bully me off these threads (aint gonna happen buster :))

Fine ignore me but just answer the question (I won't even reply)

Why did you convert to Islam?

[adbasque]

Well if reporting you is the only way to shut you up with your lies.
You can't shut me up, not you not anyone, I don't have the time for people like you, I can bring in copies of your posts and threads and show you how hateful you really are.


Just to show people who you really are
This was on another thread that has nothing to do with Islam, it was about another BNP supporter who uses Islam to discredit me, you came halfway through the conversation and this is what you attacked me straight away


name calling, and to get the thread back on topic. I've told you how wrong you were with your lies many times before, but no you still had to continue with lies and character defamation (troll)

Read your own quote :) who's the name calling here?

You blame all the world's problem's on white folk. Fuck your Alah aka Yawheh we don't want your retarded fucked up Abrahamic Judaism/Christianity/Islam.
We know what you want an Islamic world shariah law and genital mutilatiion all round for boys and girls. Sick fucks!

This was before you knew I was white, in your little mind, you assumed because I was Muslim, I must be Indian, dark skin, Middle eastern, then you changed your tune ;)
Highlighted in red to show how devious you really are, you put the three religions as if you are simply anti religion, but the truth is, it's Islam that you hate ;)
I can bring in many more of your posts
Just to prove to anyone here that you are the hateful person.

You're the one who's full of hate.
That is a matter of opinion, I know I don't hate anyone


You really hate me and the fact that I prove your religion shows and acts out of hatred for none Muslims as instructed by your religion, you just add to these facts with your replys! I don't hate you, for many reasons
One I don't have the time to hate you, I hate your lies true, Two, you are not that important only in your own eyes and people who think like you, if there's anyone full of hate his actions speak for him, who reported the other, despite your constant attacks I have never reported you, what are you afraid of?

It's an act of cowardice what you did, even if I get banned from this forum, it means you're weak, you don't like when somebody has a different opinion than you, you are a true racist, judging from your numerous attacks on Islam and Muslims.

You never attack anybody else except Islam, not because you want to be fair, because you hate Islam and Muslims and you think they are inferior to you and you don't like the fact Islam is growing you hate it.


Wrong asshole. I am none of those things. I know what your sick religion is about.
Go build your Mosques back in your islamic Facist dictatorship states. You can chop off hands heads, bits of male and female genitals as your religion instructs and you glady follow the instructions.

It's you Muslims that wanna take over the world and convert or kill anyone who trys to stop you, it's your Islamic mandate.


I'd wipe that stupid grin off your face. Your the stupid fuck who trys to justify genital mutilation (regardless of all the info to prove otherwise by medical experts who say it's wrong!) which proves you are religiously brainwashed and a danger to people.



I was F*** about gential mutilation (makes me angry when people like you advocate it even though there's medical experts have proven it's wrong) even some Jews are now against it! Including some Rabbis. I've posted the proof to you before.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the circumcisio that you call mutilation
you know as well as I do, you can perhaps fool others, it has to do with Islam that you regard as inferior and animals.

I am British white yes, but the difference I am not a white supremecist which you are. I am not accusing you of anything, we only need to look at your previous posts and threas.

You have a personal quest, to try and tarnish Islam and Muslims, you don't judge a person's acts, you judge a person's belonging.

What you call lies deep down you know it's the truth, and that's why you are angry and swearing at people (especially Muslims).



A psychologist couldn't help you.


Maybe I can help him :rolleyes:


I maybe able to help you de-programme from your religious programming, infact people like me are your best hope.

I would welcome your help when I need it, but only after you helped yourself from that thing that's eating from inside


Unless you are really an extremist Muslim plant.
Never heard of that, extremist can't be Muslim, an extremist means he goes to the extreme, if he goes to the extreme, which extreme?

Practices Islam to it's fullest, isn't that the idea?
Or extremist goes beyond the Islamic teachings? than he is no longer a Muslim :)

Listen you know as well as I do, names were invented for people like you.

Islamist, Extremist, Fundamentalist, terrorist, barbaric, oppressor.

There are no such things as Islamist, Fundamentalist, terrorist.
what is a fundamentalist? do you know what it means?


Yet you claim to be an English man who converted to Islam?
I don't claim I am that's beside the point who I am, nobody converted me to Islam, before I knew Islam I didn't know a single Muslim, I travelled and lived amongst Muslims, searched and mixed with them to see these monsters, as we knew them in the west:rolleyes:



A number of people have started on me here, and put me on ignore, because I eventually gave them some Karma in return. You think you can bully me off these threads (aint gonna happen buster :))

Need I say more?

IF there's a bully here mate is you, you think you can bully people with your F*** and blinding? That's what you tried to do with me, while I was having a debate about the BNP that had nothing to do with Islam, you entered the Arean F** this and F*** that, who's the bully? hein? ;)


Fine ignore me but just answer the question (I won't even reply)

Why did you convert to Islam?
I will ignore you as from this post yes, I don't have for personal attacks, this not my presence here, I am here for other reasons far more important.

Because I love it, it's so peaceful

Go ahead report me to the Admins and moderator so they will ban me, to let you rant, freely, if anyone else stand up to you, you'll probably do the same to him/her ;)

Now Ignore me and my posts I will certainly do the same.

[eternal_spirit]

[quote]This was before you knew I was white, in your little mind, you assumed because I was Muslim, I must be Indian, dark skin, Middle eastern, then you changed your tune ;)I have family who are part Indian, they look more Indian than English! I love them very much. (I've told you this 3 times now maybe)
Highlighted in red to show how devious you really are, you put the three religions as if you are simply anti religion, but the truth is, it's Islam that you hate ;)You defy logic (as you've shown on many previous occasions) I meant what I said, we didn't ask and don't need or want any of them, they should have stayed back were they belonged on the other side of the planet!

I can bring in many more of your posts
Just to prove to anyone here that you are the hateful person.Oh I see any trolling tactic to get away from the topic (how sick Islam is)
you are a true racist, judging from your numerous attacks on Islam and Muslims. Islam is not a race so you're worng again. One of my best friends when I was a boy was from Trinidad. It's you who hates your own race (white folk) you claimed to be white not long after you arrived on the forum.

You never attack anybody else except Islam, not because you want to be fair, because you hate Islam and Muslims and you think they are inferior to you and you don't like the fact Islam is growing you hate it.
LOL you've been here two mins and think you know what and who I attack. I've only started on Islam not long before you arrived (I used to defend Islam, before I knew much about it, same as others do here.
with Islam that you regard as inferior and animals.No that's your Koran and Talmud, speaking of us Goy, gentiles, Kaffirs and infidells ya know Yahweh is Allah afterall.

I am British white yes, but the difference I am not a white supremecist which you are. LOL so you keep saying. That's why I love my part Indian family:rolleyes:

You have a personal quest, to try and tarnish Islam and Muslims, you don't judge a person's acts, you judge a person's belonging.Islam does that all by itself, but none Muslims need warning that I can help with.

I will ignore you as from this post yes, I don't have for personal attacks, this not my presence here, I am here for other reasons far more important.

Because I love it, it's so peaceful
You didn't need to reply with the same crap I can dig out prob another 100 posts like this one of yours, alsmost identical in nature. (like I said before you started on me and stalked me on every Islam thread) so don't lie and make out it was me who started.

Now Ignore me and my posts I will certainly do the same.:D well we finally agree on something.

[adbasque]

[quote=adbasque;1027627]

Oh I see any trolling tactic to get away from the topic (how sick Islam is)
Islam is not a race so you're worng again. One of my best friends when I was a boy was from Trinidad. It's you who hates your own race (white folk) you claimed to be white not long after you arrived on the forum.


Twisting again? I am sure you have a problem with your memory or deliberately twist things, what were we talking about? name calling, right?
and the reason you reported me to the admin in a hope to shut me up :D how pathetic is this?

Now you're saying it's troll tactic? to get away from the topic?
Humm:rolleyes: you have a family that are Indians so what?
I used to have a boss years ago she had a half sister who was dark skinned that didn't stop her being racist, don't try that thing on me.

Why would I hate my race (white folks) you said it yourself Islam is not a race, hummm:rolleyes:

I called you a racist, not because of Islam, it had nothing to do with Islam, but in your little mind a Muslim is a non white religion.


LOL you've been here two mins and think you know what and who I attack. I've only started on Islam not long before you arrived (I used to defend Islam, before I knew much about it, same as others do here.


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How generous of you, what you're doing here is saying to all of these people listen guys I used to defend Islam just like you are doing now, and one day I discovered that Islam is a scam, you better listen to me, because I know best

How arrogant and devious is this :D


No that's your Koran and Talmud, speaking of us Goy, gentiles, Kaffirs and infidells ya know Yahweh is Allah afterall.

Islam does that all by itself, but none Muslims need warning that I can help with.

you're delusional


You didn't need to reply with the same crap I can dig out prob another 100 posts like this one of yours, alsmost identical in nature. (like I said before you started on me and stalked me on every Islam thread) so don't lie and make out it was me who started.


You must be very paranoid and full of yourself, you think you're that important?

You know most of the time I don't even look who wrote what, If I saw something wrong about Islam or anything else I will defend it.

Don't flatter yourself mate you're absolutely nothing to me, and if you noticed I wasn't replying to your posts when I knew who you really are
Anyway it doesn't matter,

LOL so you keep saying. That's why I love my part Indian family:rolleyes:
I only say it for bigots who in their own dark sick minds regard Islam as a religion of "some" people, while Islam is universal, that's the only reason I am stating my origin and my colour.


:D well we finally agree on something

Yes
there's nothing you can teach me or anyone for that matter.

and by the way I was not here two minutes and even if I were here two minutes does that make you an old member we all should bow and you must be right? :D how childish is that?

Take my advice get a real life, let others live, life's too short
grow up, rise above this bigotry

Adios

[picha]

[QUOTE=eternal_spirit;1027675]

Twisting again? I am sure you have a problem with your memory or deliberately twist things, what were we talking about? name calling, right?
and the reason you reported me to the admin in a hope to shut me up :D how pathetic is this?

Now you're saying it's troll tactic? to get away from the topic?
Humm:rolleyes: you have a family that are Indians so what?
I used to have a boss years ago she had a half sister who was dark skinned that didn't stop her being racist, don't try that thing on me.

Why would I hate my race (white folks) you said it yourself Islam is not a race, hummm:rolleyes:

I called you a racist, not because of Islam, it had nothing to do with Islam, but in your little mind a Muslim is a non white religion.



How generous of you, what you're doing here is saying to all of these people listen guys I used to defend Islam just like you are doing now, and one day I discovered that Islam is a scam, you better listen to me, because I know best

How arrogant and devious is this :D


you're delusional




You must be very paranoid and full of yourself, you think you're that important?

You know most of the time I don't even look who wrote what, If I saw something wrong about Islam or anything else I will defend it.

Don't flatter yourself mate you're absolutely nothing to me, and if you noticed I wasn't replying to your posts when I knew who you really are
Anyway it doesn't matter,

I only say it for bigots who in their own dark sick minds regard Islam as a religion of "some" people, while Islam is universal, that's the only reason I am stating my origin and my colour.


Yes
there's nothing you can teach me or anyone for that matter.

and by the way I was not here two minutes and even if I were here two minutes does that make you an old member we all should bow and you must be right? :D how childish is that?

Take my advice get a real life, let others live, life's too short
grow up, rise above this bigotry

Adios

Your laws specifically say that kuffur should either convert, live as dhimmis (inferiors) or be killed and you think we are bigoted? You really do have a very bizzare way of looking at things.

[adbasque]

Your laws specifically say that kuffur should either convert, live as dhimmis (inferiors) or be killed and you think we are bigoted? You really do have a very bizzare way of looking at things.

If you people aren't twisting things, I would gladly have a debate, but now I am sick of these made up arguments, something clearly means something you twist it to back your arguments.

I am not getting involved I will reply to people with a little common sense, If I am bizarre or not, why would it bother you, you live your life and let me live my bizarre life.

Anyone who doesn't do exactly things your way or doesn't think the same way as you, he is weird and bizarre, did you spend time to try and see things from his angle? no you're too quick to accuse it's a lot easier than do a research.

What do you think, I woke up one morning had nothing better to do with my life and said ah I know let's become a Muslim and annoy everybody??
I spend half of my life researching this very core of this faith.

I remember a certain Cat Stevens, he was once very famous and very liked in this country, as soon as he became Yusuf Islam, he was avoided like black death.

I am not getting involved the day a person want to learn something, that's different

Thank you

[thirdwave]

Okay apologies. I get labeled things I'm not alot round here. I used to defend the Muslims a while ago (when I knew little about Islam) But not now I've done some reseach plus the attitude of some of them on here.

Islam is just how Christianity used to be... no worse.. they are both bullshit... none are better than the other... the only thing better about Christianity than islam is that it is no longer as potent as it used to be... simple as that.

they both come from a hidden Hollywood studio like all of them... created to divide people and concur them... and to confuse and pollute spiritual growth, and the fact that many people with morals uphold a religion does not means jack.

Jesus was not the chosen one.. Muhammad was not the chosen one.. nor Moses... Krishna, or any of the others... none of them were the chosen one...

[islamvslizards]

islam is not muslims.

think about it.

[manxboz]

Islam is just how Christianity used to be... no worse.. they are both bullshit... none are better than the other... the only thing better about Christianity than islam is that it is no longer as potent as it used to be... simple as that.

they both come from a hidden Hollywood studio like all of them... created to divide people and concur them... and to confuse and pollute spiritual growth, and the fact that many people with morals uphold a religion does not means jack.

Jesus was not the chosen one.. Muhammad was not the chosen one.. nor Moses... Krishna, or any of the others... none of them were the chosen one...

Thats just your opinion, Christianity is still strong and powerful today, many so called athesits beleive in God but think if they denied it it'll go away.

[adbasque]

Islam is not Muslims

But some people are not interested in the truth, not even interested in debating rationally, they come here for one purpose and one purpose only, on many threads, not just this thread, any subject or topic that the majority are interested, they come in they spoil the debate.

I have noticed now they do it on purpose, it's not the first time.

Try and start a thread about Unity, before you know it someone will come and try and divert the issue, cause distraction, try it and you'll see.

I will only reply and debate with rational people, even if we disagree on everything so long as the debate is based on proper arguments and rationally debated I will continue, the trolls will be automatically ignored.

[adbasque]

Islam is just how Christianity used to be... no worse.. they are both bullshit... none are better than the other... the only thing better about Christianity than islam is that it is no longer as potent as it used to be... simple as that.

It's not the religion that's the problem, it's the deliberate interpretation of it
the people make sure to make it look evil, it is and always was a deliberate attempt, to do everything that is evil under it's name.

Any religion, they were all tarnished by the people who wanted to promote their own, which Satanism, It doesn't matter whether you belive it or not, they DO, and they'll do anything to destroy other faiths.



they both come from a hidden Hollywood studio like all of them... created to divide people and concur them... and to confuse and pollute spiritual growth, and the fact that many people with morals uphold a religion does not means jack.

Which hollywood studio? the religion existed for at least a couple of thousands of years


Jesus was not the chosen one.. Muhammad was not the chosen one.. nor Moses... Krishna, or any of the others... none of them were the chosen one...

That again depend who's saying it, someone who believes in Jesus would see him as the chosen, who believes in Mohamed would see him as the chosen, it's a matter of opinion.

Mohamed refers to Jesus as his brother, Jesus said they will be another one after me his name is Ahmed, so it all depends who's opinion it is.

Christians and Muslims both believe in the return of Jesus to rule over the planet, to restore peace and brotherhood amongst humans, I don't see the division within the teachings of the "Religions"

Mohamed (saws) one of his best friends was Christian from Habasha (Ethiopia) so there's no division, it's the people who have been trying to divide us for centuries the same people are still trying to divide us today.

But I wouldn't blame religion for it, that was the exact result they were trying to get is people to see Religion as evil and pull away from it altogether.

So they can step in with their Satanic religion, Muslims, Christians, Jews and other faiths lived for centuries without a war or fighting, side by side.

Not long ago, before the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.


Hollywood now it's trying to divide, because hollywood is and always been controlled just like the MSM and other outlets.

[thirdwave]

Thats just your opinion, Christianity is still strong and powerful today, many so called athesits beleive in God but think if they denied it it'll go away.

No its not just my opinion... and I did not say Christianity was no longer strong, I mean it has less authority today than it used to, of course it is strong today... just as the mainstream media is strong... but the difference is that more people can actually read the bible for them sevles... and see how full of bullshit it is.

for example years ago people like Tsarion or Murdock could have been killed for the work they have done... people like Crowley in their day were seen as scum by the MSM and people who where brainwashed... today many idolise that type...

if you think Christianity has as strong a foot hold than it used to then you are very blinkered.

[swethirte]

It's not the religion that's the problem, it's the deliberate interpretation of it
the people make sure to make it look evil, it is and always was a deliberate attempt, to do everything that is evil under it's name.

Any religion, they were all tarnished by the people who wanted to promote their own, which Satanism, It doesn't matter whether you belive it or not, they DO, and they'll do anything to destroy other faiths.



Which hollywood studio? the religion existed for at least a couple of thousands of years



That again depend who's saying it, someone who believes in Jesus would see him as the chosen, who believes in Mohamed would see him as the chosen, it's a matter of opinion.

Mohamed refers of Jesus as his brother, Jesus said they will be another one after me his name is Ahmed, so it all depends who's opinion it is.

Christians and Muslims both believe in the return of Jesus to rule over the planet, to restore peace and brotherhood amongst humans, I don't see the division within the teachings of the "Religions"

Mohamed (saws) one of his best friends was Christian from Habasha (Ethiopia) so there's no division, it's the people who have been trying to divide us for centuries the same people are still trying to divide us today.

But I wouldn't blame religion for it, that was the exact result they were trying to get is people to see Religion as evil and pull away from it altogether.

So they can step in with their Satanic religion, Muslims, Christians, Jews and other faiths lived for centuries without a war or fighting, side by side.

Not long ago, before the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.


Hollywood now it's trying to divide, because hollywood is and always been controlled just like the MSM and other outlets.

"Mohamed refers of Jesus as his brother, Jesus said they will be another one after me his name is Ahmed, so it all depends who's opinion it is."

Please point to the bit in the Bible where Jesus says one will come after him named Ahmed. Or is this just what Muhammad claimed?

"So they can step in with their Satanic religion, Muslims, Christians, Jews and other faiths lived for centuries without a war or fighting, side by side."

You mean like how within 30 years of Muhammad's death, inspired by his teachings his followers had conquered, by force of arms, all the Christian lands of the Middle East and North Africa? Areas that the Muslims still occupy today.

[thirdwave]

It's not the religion that's the problem, it's the deliberate interpretation of it
the people make sure to make it look evil, it is and always was a deliberate attempt, to do everything that is evil under it's name.

No, Its the simple requirement for it that's the problem... if a man needs a walking stick then he does not make a very good solder.

if you need religion to understand morals and reality, then you are already a victim.

as long as people have the state of mind that requires the worship of a god.. then he will continue to be fucked with... from all sides.

no one on this forum have learned anything about their religion without it being permitted to them by oppressive and negative movement than have always lied to humanity.


Any religion, they were all tarnished by the people who wanted to promote their own, which Satanism, It doesn't matter whether you belive it or not, they DO, and they'll do anything to destroy other faiths.

Satanism does not really exist... it only exists once Christianity created it as an opposition.. before then there was no such thing as Satanism.

Today there are many kinds because of how religion has controlled and oppressed so many things..

and the very fact that these religions are so easy to fuck with prove then are week anyway... and it is ALL down to people to have faith... nothing else ... no favours... just fear induced faith.


Which hollywood studio? the religion existed for at least a couple of thousands of years
it was a figure of speech... corruption and lies have also lasted quite a long time... so has the occult.

That again depend who's saying it, someone who believes in Jesus would see him as the chosen, who believes in Mohamed would see him as the chosen, it's a matter of opinion.

and with all these chosen ones... only 1 can be right... Which that alone confirms that most religious people are indeed wrong... of course none of them have any facts ... it is all faith based, they all have many interpretations... all contain violence... and peace... they all claim to be misunderstood... and they all claim to be the truth... But none of them have ever brought peace... none of them can point to a time where it had brought peace... and none of them are creating peace.

though all of them and the requirement of them, have created wars, division and political movement that have effected the world.

the very handy cap of religion offers the powers that be the most powerful weapon on the planet.

Mohamed refers of Jesus as his brother, Jesus said they will be another one after me his name is Ahmed, so it all depends who's opinion it is.
So there we see a contradiction ... Of course if these texts where all fucked with by the same controlling forces than it would also make sense..

The OT expected a messiah.. but Jesus did not fulfil it... now you say the NT expected another.. but Mohamed did not fulfil it..

it seems to be a trend.

also Islam rejects the parts about Jesus dyeing for our sins .. (the main point of what Jesus was) and that he died on a cross...

but because he said there would be another prophet because that compliment Islam.. then that part is all true! :).



Christians and Muslims both believe in the return of Jesus to rule over the planet, to restore peace and brotherhood amongst humans, I don't see the division within the teachings of the "Religions"
Muslims do not believe in the Return of Jesus now do they.

the thing is... Yes they are all the same... the positive principles are the same... Allah means christ... (or what christ is meant to mean) ok... its all the same thing..

But that is what religion is... it takes a truth and creates walls...the truth is all these religions is not actually anything to do with religion... thats the bullshit part... its to do with nature and being in touch with the person you really are.

you don't need Islam or Christianity... and if Jesus or Mohamed where here today they would be saying the same thing... they are not the chosen ones... the "chosen one" part is bullshit... its man made oppressive bullshit... no man is chosen over another unless that man puts him there.

you learn off who you find inspiration from... now who Lords over all of man kind.


Mohamed (saws) one of his best friends was Christian from Habasha (Ethiopia) so there's no division, it's the people who have been trying to divide us for centuries the same people are still trying to divide us today.

It does not matter... if you have a cut then there is a risk of infection... and its no phenomenon that Islam Texts talk of Jesus... as it was written hundreds of years after the bible.

But I wouldn't blame religion for it, that was the exact result they were trying to get is people to see Religion as evil and pull away from it altogether.
it is %100 religions blame..

Don't think that one cant understand spirituality with out religion.. no , not true. We all have our own spirit and not one religion can define everyone... this is why there has never been just one.

So they can step in with their Satanic religion, Muslims, Christians, Jews and other faiths lived for centuries without a war or fighting, side by side.

Not all all... there has always been religious wars... and the only time there has been peace is before the division was created and it is mans desire for religion that makes this possible... if all had their own faith then it would not work, it could not be corrupt.

And I say again... religion created Satanism... it never existed before... they just pointed at Pagans (which was probably what Jesus and Mohamed were) and made out that this was "Satanism" , it was not.


Not long ago, before the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
there has never been religious peace in our History records..


Hollywood now it's trying to divide, because hollywood is and always been controlled just like the MSM and other outlets.

Hollywood just plays one peoples weaknesses... it is the weakness that's the issue... you cant blame the enemy for hitting you were it hurts.

what would they do if people were not religious?

the thing is with religions people... is they detach them selves from anything that has gone wrong within their religion as if it is something else's fault... "Not true... "corrupt" ... rather than admit it is not man kinds saviour for all.... and it has not always worked.. there for religion is not the whole answer.

[adbasque]

No, Its the simple requirement for it that's the problem... if a man needs a walking stick then he does not make a very good solder.

if you need religion to understand morals and reality, then you are already a victim.

Religion and faith are not simply to understand moral and reality, the main purpose of religion is to worship your maker.
Unless of course you believe everything in the existence just happened, then that's your opinion, I know that there's a GOD and I know we (humans) didn't just turn up like this, and if you look back, religion has taught people the "moral values" and the reality, yous should look back to see how humans were living, all of these human rights and so on didn't exist back then, the strong killed and used the weak.

Equality was brought by religion


as long as people have the state of mind that requires the worship of a god.. then he will continue to be fucked with... from all sides.

That is where you're wrong mate, that is exactly what they want us to do, to give up the belief and they will impose their own doctrine, and I am sorry satan does exist whether you believe it or not the fact is they DO the satanist do believe and they worship him.


Satanism does not really exist... it only exists once Christianity created it as an opposition.. before then there was no such thing as Satanism.

Yes because people were not aware, that was the whole purpose of the religion, to stop corruption, slavery of man kind by the few who had power.


the very handy cap of religion offers the powers that be the most powerful weapon on the planet.

If they offered it as a weapon, why did they fight it and still do for centuries then? they are fighting religion from every angle, by discreditting, undermine it. make it look evil



So there we see a contradiction ... Of course if these texts where all fucked with by the same controlling forces than it would also make sense..
The controlling force has one goal to stop religion remove it from the face of this planet, so they can have the total and full control, if people can't see what is played right in front of them then it's sad.



The OT expected a messiah.. but Jesus did not fulfil it... now you say the NT expected another.. but Mohamed did not fulfil it..

Jesus is the Messiah he will return, what's the point in him coming before time?
something has to happen first in order to justify a Messiah, he will return, you believe it or not, that is your opinion again


it seems to be a trend.

but the trend seem to be quite the opposite, nowdays people are embarassed to admit they believe in GOD, it's embarassing, that's the new trend and their plan seems to have worked to a certain extent.


also Islam rejects the parts about Jesus dyeing for our sins .. (the main point of what Jesus was) and that he died on a cross...

There's a reason for that, and that will require another thread if not more to debate it.
They don't reject anything about Jesus, except few things that were added in Christianity by "some" people. other than that Islam confirms everything about Jesus.


the thing is with religions people... is they detach them selves from anything that has gone wrong within their religion as if it is something else's fault... "Not true... "corrupt" ... rather than admit it is not man kinds saviour for all.... and it has not always worked.. there for religion is not the whole answer.

They don't detach themselves, because there's nothing wrong with the religion, GOD doesn't make mistakes and doesn't change his mind either, what they detach themselves from is the conspiracy against their religion, the frame up, that is taking place every minute, relentlessly attacking anyone who believes in GOD.

I wish people stop treating everyone who believes in GOD as intellectually inferior or brainwashed or whatever they think, If people simply show some respect, stop being so arrogant consider even a slim chance that religion is real, and GOD does exist, we might get somewhere.

This is not pointed at you btw, I am speaking in general :)
nothing personal

[flickflack]

islam is not muslims.

think about it.

Islam is not Muslims







Okay, got it. :confused:

Mohamed (peace be upon him) is not Islam. Is that it, too?

[adbasque]

Okay, got it. :confused:

Mohamed (peace be upon him) is not Islam. Is that it, too?

No Flickflack, it means there are good Muslims and bad ones, don't judge Islam by the Muslims.

Islam is divine Muslims are human

Somebody once said Thank God I knew Islam before I knew Muslims, that was Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)

That's what it means :)

[thirdwave]

Religion and faith are not simply to understand moral and reality, the main purpose of religion is to worship your maker.
Unless of course you believe everything in the existence just happened, then that's your opinion, I know that there's a GOD and I know we (humans) didn't just turn up like this, and if you look back, religion has taught people the "moral values" and the reality, yous should look back to see how humans were living, all of these human rights and so on didn't exist back then, the strong killed and used the weak.


Ok well the idea of religion is to understand your maker then.. but it is still for a reason.. which is based on morals and how we should behave based on where we want to go and what we want to experience.

beliving there is a God is one thing.. but belive we know what that God is.. who we should listen to about it.. and what the gods agenda is... is another thing all together..

Science tells us that everything is made of the same energy anyway... there is no separation in that... so that its self could simply be god.

its simply energy... and it has a possative side and negative side... and you take your pick...

I have no problem with the concept of God... its just religion has done a lousy job at indulging into it... and it has got us no where

How do you know our maker wants to be worshipped?.. why would he/she?

Any God that wants worship is a self absorbed God.



Equality was brought by religion
Lots of things were brought in by religion... and it will only permit Equality to those who submit to the God... so it is not and never has been Equality.. it has always been reward for submission.

Before you go on highlighting me texts where it points out all these wonderful morals .. I will point out I know there are morals in the bible and in the Koran... SO THERE SHOULD BE ... but there are also negative things in there.. and for a book of such spiritual authority that's a huge issue.


That is where you're wrong mate, that is exactly what they want us to do, to give up the belief and they will impose their own doctrine, and I am sorry satan does exist whether you believe it or not the fact is they DO the satanist do believe and they worship him.

No they dont, you are wrong and you need to study this stuff more... Satanism is such a shallow genrelisation on what is going on... and it simply did not exist before the religions we are talking about created them.

I point out again, there has never been a time where are religious planet has lived in harmony.. you are going by faith... and religion has done nothing but aide the creation of War..

The Koran its self talks of how War is ok to defend your religion... so if you were the bad guys you are licking your lips right there!

you dont need to worship a god it be a secure and decent person... that is bullshit.... you need to love your self and feel at home with your self.. and this helps you to feel the same about others... fuck all to do with God..

god works through us and every living thing.. if he wanted us to kneel all day worshipping him then why did he send us here to start with!?...

we came here to create and live our selves... not to kneel at gods feet all day long...

and I point out again that just because someone is not religious it does not mean they will by into anything any more easy than you guys would...Just because you guys are already sold, it does not make it any more healthy... you may be protected from certain bullshit.. but only because you live in a contained space not because you are free... free people get hurt... oh well, that's life... you live and learn.


Yes because people were not aware, that was the whole purpose of the religion, to stop corruption, slavery of man kind by the few who had power.

But it has not worked... even if the intention was good... it has not worked...

the only thing that can work is one man saying.. "no I don't want to do that to another man because I think its wrong..."

"I dont want to do that because I don't want it to exist... I want THIS to exsist"

its simple as that... god may be watching on but its quite a big universe to be holding everyone's hand don't you think?

Would you be an evil person if you did not have religion?



If they offered it as a weapon, why did they fight it and still do for centuries then? they are fighting religion from every angle, by discreditting, undermine it. make it look evil


fight it?

they make them fight each other... there is a difference... one government will fight another...

over time, in the west kids are not buying religion... the PTB know that man kind are an evolving species... are becoming more concious of the universe... Jesus and Muhamud are not going to cut it from now on... no matter how people fight to save "THEIR FAITH" .... this is why they are now looking to rule over man kind with technology and finance and force. the PTB arte not afraid of Christ... or allah... not in the slightest... they are quite happy for people to believe in them.... though are no longer banking on them.


The controlling force has one goal to stop religion remove it from the face of this planet, so they can have the total and full control, if people can't see what is played right in front of them then it's sad.

only when they no longer need it... when they own all the governments and police the world, in the world and they no longer need the religions to control politics and manipulate people.... they can never take away peoples spirituality though... although with all this micro chip business it would not shock me if they are thinking about it..



Jesus is the Messiah he will return, what's the point in him coming before time?
something has to happen first in order to justify a Messiah, he will return, you believe it or not, that is your opinion again


all the time man wait for a messiah they will be under the foot of the elite.

there is no messiah... WE are the messiahs... its our job... its up to us to grow up.... and the only thing the elite are afraid of... is us growing up...


but the trend seem to be quite the opposite, nowdays people are embarassed to admit they believe in GOD, it's embarassing, that's the new trend and their plan seems to have worked to a certain extent.

Yes, religion has hi jacked the word... I go and talk about God and people think I'm "religious" ... when Im not... Religion has put people off spirituality..

this is the only other problem.. as much as people will not swallow religious mind control... they switch off all together...

But I bet you any money, all those who are very detached from spirituality... will jump to religion much quicker than simply spirituality... because the reason they will jump to religion.. is so they don't need to think to much about it... they will just put it in allahs hands... much easier.


There's a reason for that, and that will require another thread if not more to debate it.
They don't reject anything about Jesus, except few things that were added in Christianity by "some" people. other than that Islam confirms everything about Jesus.

they did not think he was "the messiah" they think he was a good man... blah blah, they do not subscribe to the bibles story of Jesus of Nazareth...

and like I said it was written a long time after the bible.. so nothing mind blowing about it... just an assessment on a old story that anyone could have written.


They don't detach themselves, because there's nothing wrong with the religion, GOD doesn't make mistakes and doesn't change his mind either, what they detach themselves from is the conspiracy against their religion, the frame up, that is taking place every minute, relentlessly attacking anyone who believes in GOD.

God did not make religion.



I wish people stop treating everyone who believes in GOD as intellectually inferior or brainwashed or whatever they think, If people simply show some respect, stop being so arrogant consider even a slim chance that religion is real, and GOD does exist, we might get somewhere.

I give you the right to think so.. But I don't... I am not even nearly convinced.... though I believe there is God. But no book can define it... or religion...

and the reason you may feel like you are being treated as an inferior is because you are limited in your perception and research because of your faith.... now that's you right and this should not be taken away...

But if we are talking facts and a mind set which is not controlled by a set beliefs system... then you guys are at a handy cap... right or wrong your views are limited.


God forbid, But I think the elite will plan alot of deaths in the middle east (as we are already seeing) and they know many will walk into the sward to defend their faith... and this is what the elite will rely on... what if all those victims suddenly said... "you know what, fuck allah, we are not going to defend him any more" .... then what would the PTB do.... they would be scratching their head that's what.

[swethirte]

No Flickflack, it means there are good Muslims and bad ones, don't judge Islam by the Muslims.

Islam is divine Muslims are human

Somebody once said Thank God I knew Islam before I knew Muslims, that was Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)

That's what it means :)

Should we judge Islam by Mohammad, and his teachings?

[adbasque]

The Koran its self talks of how War is ok to defend your religion... so if you were the bad guys you are licking your lips right there!

I will defend myself regardless if I am a believer or not, that's beside the point


and I point out again that just because someone is not religious it does not mean they will by into anything any more easy than you guys would.

I never said that, I know there are a lot of people who are religious and yet haven't got a clue what's going on today, equally there are people who are not at all believers also haven't got a clue who's pulling the strings.


the only thing that can work is one man saying.. "no I don't want to do that to another man because I think its wrong..."

Yes now! this century not even this century this decade people started to wake up, on the global conspiracy, but before people did not know.



Would you be an evil person if you did not have religion?

I don't think so, but being religious will not exempt you from doing evil things, unless you understand it's teachings, misinterpretation can cause a lot of havoc, and all it takes is one evil man who interprets religion the way he wants others to believe in it.

The key is not to follow any interpretation, religion is there for you to read it it has not been changed, I know recently a lot books have been printed and published (The Quoran) but the real quoran very few people had access to it.


Anyway, this will not stop me from fighting the NWO, the illuminati, the rulers of this world, it's not something I took very lightly it's not something I suddenly decided to try, I have my deepest convictions of what I have discovered throughout the years, I have met people who had the exact same views as you, but the end of the day, they have their views I have mine, I respect their views the way they respect mine even if we disagree on this issue.

Back in the late 70s and very early 80s believe me very few people were aware what was going on.

And Islam helped me to see the truth about this world and even the corrupt system that we all under.

Listen wars were carried out 90% of time it had nothing to do with faith, religion was used to carry populations to war, they knew how much people cared about their religion, while in fact neither side wanted to kill the other.

Yes religion was used, but religion is not the cause, people should simply say I am Christian, why would I kill a Muslim and vice versa.

They both worship the same god why should I attack him.
It proves one thing, if it had anything to do with religion why travel thousands of miles to kill someone?

wars are created to control, to make money, to have power and total domination

Religion was always been used as a pretext for war.

He is in his country and you are in yours?

The Elite used other means to start wars, they created regimes, split the world into small regimes and created hatred between them, communists hate, capitalists, capitalists hate, socialists, they have been creating hate for everywhere, even if the religion didn't exist they would've made up something to divide people with.

Religion has nothing to do with their excuses for war, Iraq was attacked for Oil, for the great Israel, a way to dominate to exterminate as many people as possible, did the Palestinians fight or the Iraqis? no

They were bombarded them in their homes, so it's one way war anyway, they don't need to have religion to create wars






they make them fight each other... there is a difference... one government will fight another...

Not anymore, they will attack any country for any reason, they want to attack Korea, has it to do with religion? no



only when they no longer need it... when they own all the governments and police the world, in the world and they no longer need the religions to control politics and manipulate people.... they can never take away peoples spirituality though... although with all this micro chip business it would not shock me if they are thinking about it..

They can't take their spirituality, because it has nothing to do with them, it's personal, private between you and your maker.

Religion never said wait for the messiah, it says he will come, but nobody knows, and when he comes it will it, the end, you have already suffered, no religion tells you to defend yourself, your family, your land and so on.

Who are youy going to fight? another person like you?
of course not, he is not responsible for what's happening to you, as you're not responsible what's happening to him, so why not unite and take out the disease from the top?


Yes, religion has hi jacked the word... I go and talk about God and people think I'm "religious" ... when Im not... Religion has put people off spirituality..

It is it's misuse that put people off it, and that's exactly the result they wanted to get.


this is the only other problem.. as much as people will not swallow religious mind control... they switch off all together...

Ok let's assume it's a mind control right?

Where are they controlling me? how are they controlling me??




But I bet you any money, all those who are very detached from spirituality... will jump to religion much quicker than simply spirituality... because the reason they will jump to religion.. is so they don't need to think to much about it... they will just put it in allahs hands... much easier.



I don't seperate religion from sprituality they both go together, sprituality could mean believe in emptiness, no for me spirituality goes hand in hand with religion,

I am talking about my religion,




God did not make religion.

can you prove that?



and the reason you may feel like you are being treated as an inferior is because you are limited in your perception and research because of your faith.... now that's you right and this should not be taken away...

No I do not feel inferior to anyone, it's not what I said, I said I wish people stop having this attitude, so people can communicate, that's different altogether, if they treat me as inferior it's only in their mind, it doesn't go beyond their way of thinking, they are not convincing anyone but themselves.

That's a very big mistake, assumption is always a person's enemy, it's not because someone thinks differently from you, that he is limited in his/her perception, why do you think you have a wider perception than someone who has faith? see without realising you said it :D

That is a bit arrogant to even think it

Anyone can pretend to be superior, it doesn't mean he is, does it?


But if we are talking facts and a mind set which is not controlled by a set beliefs system... then you guys are at a handy cap... right or wrong your views are limited.

You don't know me personally do you?
you have never talked to me before, you don't know what I have done, what I am doing, what I can do, judging me based on my faith, or belief system as you call it.


God forbid, But I think the elite will plan alot of deaths in the middle east (as we are already seeing) and they know many will walk into the sward to defend their faith... and this is what the elite will rely on... what if all those victims suddenly said... "you know what, fuck allah, we are not going to defend him any more" .... then what would the PTB do.... they would be scratching their head that's what.

Let's assume that the religion has been removed right? in the middle east do you think these people will stop attacking them? if you really believe that, then you are naive.

That is exactly what I am trying to tell you, so if they are not religious, they're just going to sit back and wait to be killed anyway?

hum :rolleyes: you're not making sense mate

If they are planning to kill them, regardless of whether they are religious, atheists, human inhuman it won't make the slightest difference to them, it's a plan and they have to carry it forward, the same way they are carrying the global plan against us.

Do you think if we are nice to them they won't do it?

So this theory about religion is "the cause" of all wars is a total misconception.

Anyway I think every person has the right to live their lives anyway they like, what matters is a mutual respect as we are all humans, we are all one from one.

that's my philosophy (with or without religion)