Trolls on the forum

[21_12_2012]

I LOVE YOU !!

It's disheartening to say the least, to see trolls on this forum:-

Disrupting the flow of information between the genuine members who are mostly open-minded, experienced, level-headed and well-read people with a good knowledge of David Icke-related material, who are basically here to seek and exchange knowledge.

Twisting things to throw a 'spanner in the works'....causing the genuine members to become, amongst other things:- frustrated, angry and bored with seeing the same old troll-like scenarios, and wasting their time and energy replying to these trolls.

Attacking Icke's theories agressively rather than addressing issues they may have in a civilised way.

Ruining threads purposely, some of which end up in the rant room and are never seen by people who aren't members of this forum, and cannot access the rant room.

The list goes on and on, as I'm sure most of you are aware, trolls ruin it all for everybody...whether they're 'paid' trolls (disinfo agents, masons or whatever) or confused people with 'bad attitudes'...whichever way you look at it, it's ruining things...and it's putting people off the information, and wanting to come here.

If people cannot accept from day 1 of joining this forum, that any troll-like behaviour is not acceptable, and they proceed to disrupt threads in agressive manners like we are seeing more and more of these days, I think the forum members should decide who gets banned, from day 1.

I think there should be a section on the forum entitled "trolls for banning" where each member can (if they want to) write a brief explanation of why they think that person should be banned.
Put a time limit of, say, 48 hours for each thread about a certain member, and if after that 48 hours that member has had more "yes"'s than "no"'s, then ban them instantly, regardless of whether they have broken any 'forum rules' or not.

This would save a whole lot of energy and time wasting by the genuine members here, and would stop a lot of threads going into the rant room and never being seen again.

I have seen many newcomers to this forum behaving brilliantly, in fact most people who are new here are genuine, well-behaved 'information-seekers' and many have information for us too.

I just think that the banning procedure should be more in the hands of the members than the moderators, because these trolls know how far they can push without being banned by the forum rules, but if the decision lay with the members it would be a whole different scenario.

THANK YOU !!

[montag]

I just think that the banning procedure should be more in the hands of the members than the moderators, because these trolls know how far they can push without being banned by the forum rules, but if the decision lay with the members it would be a whole different scenario
There is an easier solution, use the ignore function provided. The only power the so called trolls have is the power you give away to them..

[21_12_2012]

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There is an easier solution, use the ignore function provided. The only power the so called trolls have is the power you give away to them..

That's very true...but you have to admit, rather than 'press ignore', most members end up engaging in dialogue with the trolls, and it usually ends up in conflict, and the whole message of the thread ends up being lost in the process, thus defeating the object of the forum in the first place...to provide information.

THANK YOU !!

[kooo]

I think some of the obsessive Icke supporters are the biggest trolls on this forum. Bearing candy gifts laced with arsenic sums up their tactics pretty well. Some of them are really quite nasty.

[anoninnyc]

There is an easier solution, use the ignore function provided. The only power the so called trolls have is the power you give away to them..

i didn't even realize there is an ignore function...............

[montag]

i didn't even realize there is an ignore function...............
Just view the public profile of the member you wish to ignore and click on add user to my ignore list, easy peazy lemon squeezy..:D

[eternal_spirit]

i didn't even realize there is an ignore function...............

You'd be surprised what's in the User CP. Go have a play around with it. :)

[kooo]

lemon squeezy..:D

Where did you get that line from? I've been saying that for years, it's my line damn it!!

See ya later baked potata :D

[21_12_2012]

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I think some of the obsessive Icke supporters are the biggest trolls on this forum. Bearing candy gifts laced with arsenic sums up their tactics pretty well. Some of them are really quite nasty.

That's a fair enough comment...although they also would be subject to the same 'banning conditions' too...at the end of the day the decision would be in the hands of everybody...majority vote kind of thing.

THANK YOU !!

[lumukanda]

i dislike trolls too, but you know, besides the fact that who's a troll to some is not to others, there will always be trolls, sure the people i deem trolls annoy me, but i just for the most part ignore them, i don't like the idea of an ignore funtion, i want to see what people have said, and ultimately, as montag said, you're giving them power, so just stop doing it.

[kooo]

That's a fair enough comment...although they also would be subject to the same 'banning conditions' too...at the end of the day it would be down to everybody...majority vote kind of thing.

Yes I see your point, only problem is there are more militant Icke supporters on here than anyone else.

[21_12_2012]

I LOVE YOU !!

i dislike trolls too, but you know, besides the fact that who's a troll to some is not to others, there will always be trolls, sure the people i deem trolls annoy me, but i just for the most part ignore them, i don't like the idea of an ignore funtion, i want to see what people have said, and ultimately, as montag said, you're giving them power, so just stop doing it.

I agree...i don't use the ignore function either for the same reason...i like to see what everybody is writing.

But what is probably the most important aspect is this:-

Newcomers to this site... 'lurkers'...(who have not become members and are just 'starting out' within this field) they do not have the option of the ignore button.

They must come here and see the trolling, and i bet it puts many of them off continuing to 'seek knowledge'

They're more important than us, because we are already on the 'knowledge path'

This site should also be here to encourage 'newbies' to find out information...trolls prevent that.

THANK YOU !!

[21_12_2012]

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Yes I see your point, only problem is there are more militant Icke supporters on here than anyone else.

True, but that goes with the territory I suppose..it's a David Icke forum, so it's going to have his strongest supporters/fans. But that doesn't mean they won't want to see other 'strong supporters' banned if they're disrupting the flow...it's all down to whether people are willing to 'do the right thing' as far as helping the information to flow as effectively as possible, with as little disruption as possible.

THANK YOU !!

[thoth]

I like the trolls, they keep me on my toes and they also train me to know my shit. I can shut them down so easily because most of them are still totally stuck in 3 dimensional and sometimes 2 dimensional awareness. Its what kept me going on so strong with my own personal understanding. If someone asked me something or tried to shut me down with something, I would pursue more and more info until I got to the point where the only thing the person could do is get mad or chnage the subject because I got so nice with understanding it and explaining it. I also lost alot of people in the process because I saw right through them and they were afraid of facing what I was telling them, which was there own ego! Let the haters hate, its their damn job! If everything was all peachy and we sitting here just ego stroking each other without challenge, we would get soft, predictable and gullible. You need the darkness to keep on pushing until you get to the light at the end. We need them, without them we could never max out on our full potential because energy takes the path of least resistance, and since we are enregy, we follow suit. We seem to only perform our best under pressure, when its all on the line. So let them hate, but squash them with the radiance of your frequency. Some creep crawlys, like bugs, hate the light!!
Katt Williams on Haters:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Oh Boy!

[21_12_2012]

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I like the trolls, they keep me on my toes and they also train me to know my shit. I can shut them down so easily because most of them are still totally stuck in 3 dimensional and sometimes 2 dimensional awareness. Its what kept me going on so strong with my own personal understanding. If someone asked me something or tried to shut me down with something, I would pursue more and more info until I got to the point where the only thing the person could do is get mad or chnage the subject because I got so nice with understanding it and explaining it. I also lost alot of people in the process because I saw right through them and they were afraid of facing what I was telling them, which was there own ego! Let the haters hate, its their damn job!
Katt Williams on Haters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4w5M8V4aqI

LOL...well Thoth, i wish everybody could be like that, it would probably make it worthwhile 'keeping the trolls' just to shoot them down so to speak.

But what i find disheartening is knowedgeable members, like yourself, having to waste time on the trolls, when that time could be spent more 'effectively'...and it's disheartening seeing members being insulted by trolls too...it just seems to bring the whole point of the forum down.

But, if you enjoy it...that's a different matter !

THANK YOU !!

[kooo]

I LOVE YOU !!



True, but that goes with the territory I suppose..it's a David Icke forum, so it's going to have his strongest supporters/fans. But that doesn't mean they won't want to see other 'strong supporters' banned if they're disrupting the flow...it's all down to whether people are willing to 'do the right thing' as far as helping the information to flow as effectively as possible, with as little disruption as possible.

THANK YOU !!

Yes it does go with the territory and you're right about the doing the right thing bit, I suppose ultimately people should police themselves and not let themselves down by insulting others in the first place. Although I'm a fine one to talk as I lose it from time to time also.

[thoth]

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LOL...well Thoth, i wish everybody could be like that, it would probably make it worthwhile 'keeping the trolls' just to shoot them down so to speak.

But what i find disheartening is knowedgeable members, like yourself, having to waste time on the trolls, when that time could be spent more 'effectively'...and it's disheartening seeing members being insulted by trolls too...it just seems to bring the whole point of the forum down.

But, if you enjoy it...that's a different matter !

THANK YOU !!


You are 100% correct. Nowadays, I don't use much time for that, but I didn't want others to be discouraged by these a55h*%s. Sometimes, people could easily be persuaded by jerks like this. I think I have done a pretty descent job of shutting the necessary people up when I have heard enough at the right times, or when I feel like it. But you are right, but sometimes people say stupid stuff and back it up like they know something, that shit can be annoying! BTW appreciate the love!

[lumukanda]

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I agree...i don't use the ignore function either for the same reason...i like to see what everybody is writing.

But what is probably the most important aspect is this:-

Newcomers to this site... 'lurkers'...(who have not become members and are just 'starting out' within this field) they do not have the option of the ignore button.

They must come here and see the trolling, and i bet it puts many of them off continuing to 'seek knowledge'

They're more important than us, because we are already on the 'knowledge path'

This site should also be here to encourage 'newbies' to find out information...trolls prevent that.

THANK YOU !!

you know, i am inclined to agree with you, however, the illuminati is far scarier (think prison camps, forced re-education, ritual rape and murder) than any troll we're ever going to find here, i know some people are very sensitive, but we need to grow thicker skin, i know this is meant to be an oasis of free thought and good vibes if you will, but we have so many people, so many opinions here, they are bound to clash on occasion, if you look carefully the people who like to 'slag off' icke often have very relevant things to say, we sometimes have to ask ourselves, why are we offended by what they're saying? sometimes they're just hateful, sometimes they're challenging something we hold dear, we should be strong enough in our various convictions to take the heat, we should also be big enough to realise when something we believed is proven wrong, or if someone has a relevant, but different point of view.

[21_12_2012]

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Yes it does go with the territory and you're right about the doing the right thing bit, I suppose ultimately people should police themselves and not let themselves down by insulting others in the first place. Although I'm a fine one to talk as I lose it from time to time also.

I think we all 'lose it' from time to time...but thats part of 'human nature' i suppose...whereas the constant 'troll-like' behaviour is persistant, and to a lot of people annoying (if you choose to let it get you which i try not to do)

But what could be a concern is this:-

If i was a 'disinfo agent' of some kind, and i had a few friends, and i wanted to purposely troll this forum, i don't think it wouldn't be too hard at all, by staying within forum rules and generally causing mayhem here.

And that is what is allowing the trolls to 'troll for so long'...it's the forum rules...and them playing 'within the rules' ....if the banning was down to majority vote, then this trolling would drastically reduce.

THANK YOU !!

[phoebe]

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It's disheartening to say the least, to see trolls on this forum:-

Disrupting the flow of information between the genuine members who are mostly open-minded, experienced, level-headed and well-read people with a good knowledge of David Icke-related material, who are basically here to seek and exchange knowledge.

Twisting things to throw a 'spanner in the works'....causing the genuine members to become, amongst other things:- frustrated, angry and bored with seeing the same old troll-like scenarios, and wasting their time and energy replying to these trolls.

Attacking Icke's theories agressively rather than addressing issues they may have in a civilised way.

Ruining threads purposely, some of which end up in the rant room and are never seen by people who aren't members of this forum, and cannot access the rant room.

The list goes on and on, as I'm sure most of you are aware, trolls ruin it all for everybody...whether they're 'paid' trolls (disinfo agents, masons or whatever) or confused people with 'bad attitudes'...whichever way you look at it, it's ruining things...and it's putting people off the information, and wanting to come here.

If people cannot accept from day 1 of joining this forum, that any troll-like behaviour is not acceptable, and they proceed to disrupt threads in agressive manners like we are seeing more and more of these days, I think the forum members should decide who gets banned, from day 1.

I think there should be a section on the forum entitled "trolls for banning" where each member can (if they want to) write a brief explanation of why they think that person should be banned.
Put a time limit of, say, 48 hours for each thread about a certain member, and if after that 48 hours that member has had more "yes"'s than "no"'s, then ban them instantly, regardless of whether they have broken any 'forum rules' or not.

This would save a whole lot of energy and time wasting by the genuine members here, and would stop a lot of threads going into the rant room and never being seen again.

I have seen many newcomers to this forum behaving brilliantly, in fact most people who are new here are genuine, well-behaved 'information-seekers' and many have information for us too.

I just think that the banning procedure should be more in the hands of the members than the moderators, because these trolls know how far they can push without being banned by the forum rules, but if the decision lay with the members it would be a whole different scenario.

THANK YOU !!

Trolls?
Disrupting...
What exactly?
The flow of information?
Or the flow of the kind of information you want to see?

Genuine members?
Someone with a different viewpoint isn't genuine?
I ask again:
Does genuinity have to equal conformity?
Some of these 'genuine' members you speak of appear to be very, very far from 'level headed'.

If people want to respond to the 'trolls'
What business is it of yours?
You perceive it to be a waste of energy...
But it's their energy to waste as they see fit.

You believe forum members should decide who gets banned?
lol
A proper little 'democracy' eh?
We all know what that means, don't we?

I have seen only one or two of what I would call 'trolls on this forum.
That is, people who have obviously joined just to post silly comments.

The section highlighted in the quote above is very telling.
And you are supposed to be a 'freedom fighter'?
Remind me to not rely on you to defend my freedoms
Should push ever come to shove.

This is getting ridiculous now.
How about a little bit of live and let live eh?

You talk about what lurkers can see.
What about this thread?
Can't you see how ridiculously hypocritical it is to post such tripe on a freedom fighters/truthseekers forum?

I am beginning to think that it is very possible that most people here have got no idea what freedom means, or truth for that matter.

Scary.

[21_12_2012]

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you know, i am inclined to agree with you, however, the illuminati is far scarier (think prison camps, forced re-education, ritual rape and murder) than any troll we're ever going to find here, i know some people are very sensitive, but we need to grow thicker skin, i know this is meant to be an oasis of free thought and good vibes if you will, but we have so many people, so many opinions here, they are bound to clash on occasion, if you look carefully the people who like to 'slag off' icke often have very relevant things to say, we sometimes have to ask ourselves, why are we offended by what they're saying? sometimes they're just hateful, sometimes they're challenging something we hold dear, we should be strong enough in our various convictions to take the heat, we should also be big enough to realise when something we believed is proven wrong, or if someone has a relevant, but different point of view.

I totally agree, a lot of it is down to whether we 'allow ourselves' to feel angry, frustrated etc...
And yes, some of these people do offer information...but the 'persistant trolls' appear to now be behaving 'within the forum rules' so to speak, but still persistantly disrupting...sometimes it appears like they're offering information as a front to continue disrupting...if you see what i mean.

THANK YOU !!

[phoebe]

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I think we all 'lose it' from time to time...but thats part of 'human nature' i suppose...whereas the constant 'troll-like' behaviour is persistant, and to a lot of people annoying (if you choose to let it get you which i try not to do)

But what could be a concern is this:-

If i was a 'disinfo agent' of some kind, and i had a few friends, and i wanted to purposely troll this forum, i don't think it wouldn't be too hard at all, by staying within forum rules and generally causing mayhem here.

And that is what is allowing the trolls to 'troll for so long'...it's the forum rules...and them playing 'within the rules' ....if the banning was down to majority vote, then this trolling would drastically reduce.

THANK YOU !!

So these people you say are trolls are within the forum rules eh?
Can't see any problem then...

You sound like a poor 'sheeple' looking to his government for protection.
'Protect us'
'Something must be done'

Mayhem?
What bloody mayhem?
A few words on a screen is all it takes for you to cry out for more rules, more protection.

God help us.

[21_12_2012]

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Trolls?
Disrupting...
What exactly?
The flow of information?
Or the flow of the kind of information you want to see?

Genuine members?
Someone with a different viewpoint isn't genuine?
I ask again:
Does genuinity have to equal conformity?
Some of these 'genuine' members you speak of appear to be very, very far from 'level headed'.

If people want to respond to the 'trolls'
What business is it of yours?
You perceive it to be a waste of energy...
But it's their energy to waste as they see fit.

You believe forum members should decide who gets banned?
lol
A proper little 'democracy' eh?
We all know what that means, don't we?

I have seen only one or two of what I would call 'trolls on this forum.
That is, people who have obviously joined just to post silly comments.

The section highlighted in the quote above is very telling.
And you are supposed to be a 'freedom fighter'?
Remind me to not rely on you to defend my freedoms
Should push ever come to shove.

This is getting ridiculous now.
How about a little bit of live and let live eh?

You talk about what lurkers can see.
What about this thread?
Can't you see how ridiculously hypocritical it is to post such tripe on a freedom fighters/truthseekers forum?

I am beginning to think that it is very possible that most people here have got no idea what freedom means, or truth for that matter.

Scary.

Fair enough comment !

But i know if i was a 'newbie' and came here and saw thread after thread of arguing and trolling, it would definately 'put me off' wanting to

a) Join this forum
b) Research some of this stuff further
c) Have much respect for what is supposedly a forum to assist people in seeking valuable information.

I have no problem with freedom of speech...it's the shady, underhand methods of disruption that are increasing on here all the time that's disheartening.

THANK YOU !!

[peter19]

one thing to think about is if the majority in england had the say whats behing proposed we would have the death penalty.

but its a difficult one i was for majority banning before were people have a say but im not sure now.

people could be killled for crimes they didnt commit.

[21_12_2012]

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So these people you say are trolls are within the forum rules eh?
Can't see any problem then...

You sound like a poor 'sheeple' looking to his government for protection.
'Protect us'
'Something must be done'

Mayhem?
What bloody mayhem?
A few words on a screen is all it takes for you to cry out for more rules, more protection.

God help us.

LOL actually no, it would be the majority vote...a fair vote on who the majority think is a troll.

I'm not, as you say, 'crying out for more rules, more protection' LOL...i actually choose to not let these people get to me personally, but i can see how they do 'get to others' and in fact waste a lot of time and energy for all concerned.

What's so wrong with a majority vote ? Sounds fair enough to me.

THANK YOU !!

[thoth]

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LOL actually no, it would be the majority vote...a fair vote on who the majority think is a troll.

I'm not, as you say, 'crying out for more rules, more protection' LOL...i actually choose to not let these people get to me personally, but i can see how they do 'get to others' and in fact waste a lot of time and energy for all concerned.

What's so wrong with a majority vote ? Sounds fair enough to me.

THANK YOU !!


Sounds fair to me also

[pedsi]

The mods have a job to to do let them do it I say

long live the mods:)

[phoebe]

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LOL actually no, it would be the majority vote...a fair vote on who the majority think is a troll.

I'm not, as you say, 'crying out for more rules, more protection' LOL...i actually choose to not let these people get to me personally, but i can see how they do 'get to others' and in fact waste a lot of time and energy for all concerned.

What's so wrong with a majority vote ? Sounds fair enough to me.

THANK YOU !!

Thing is with majority voting is that it isn't entirely fair.
If 50 people vote to ban and 49 people vote not to, then effectively it's just one person's vote that made the difference.
What about the wishes of the 49 that voted 'no'?
Are those wishes irrelevant?

Also, this thread containing the voting polls...
I think it would pretty much only be populated by people who have an issue with a particularly person/people
That is, it would be a haven for people with grudges who are obviously going to vote to ban.
People with no issues with anybody won't even visit the thread.
If you don't have cancer
You probably won't read a cancer forum will you?

It could be abused in many ways.
For example, people could create multiple ID's to swing the voting.

But anyway...
I think the key here is tolerance.
Unless someone commits gross misconduct,
That is...
continually posting porn, threatening physical harm or suchlike or otherwise putting people's welfare at risk...
They shouldn't be banned.
The rest is just based on personal opinion...
One man's troll is another man's genius.
We should really be above this shit.
Petty bickering because certain people don't conform to our idea of what a poster should post/do/say/believe.

And as for newbies/lurkers seeing things on the forum that might make them not join...
It doesn't seem to be stopping people thusfar, does it?
You cannot take the responsibility to sanitise everything for the protection of everybody else.
People should discern for themselves.
Judging by the uptake of new members on this forum, I would say that people mostly like what they see.
Anybody who is so sensitive as to be appalled by a few heated disagreements really ought not to be posting on a forum of this type anyway.

[winniewillcocks]

I hope I am not a troll?

It seems to me 2012 that you call any one with a diffrent veiw a troll, like Masonic3.

I say ban you!Brfoe you turn this forum into a Nazi State, which is where you want to go.

[john white]

Yes I see your point, only problem is there are more militant Icke supporters on here than anyone else.

And you chose to join? WHY? LOL!

No answer for that is their Kooo? At least: not one you can dare admit. But then lying comes easy to you too: its a common syndrome these days!

[richmick]

And you chose to join? WHY? LOL!

No answer for that is their Kooo? At least: not one you can dare admit. But then lying comes easy to you too: its a common syndrome these days!

Probably for the same reasons you stuck around on the old forum John, even though you complained relentlessly. :)

What's with the cutting remark? a bit harsh is'nt it? i dont get it???:eek:

[limelady]

I've just been reading through these posts, and I've been wondering if we can find some middle ground here.

I understand there are people becoming very irritated with some posters they consider "trolls", but when forum guidelines are not being breached, moderators allow threads to take their natural course.

But rather than the suggestion for voting to ban those some consider deliberate distrupters, is there a way we can make better use of the Rant Room so that its taken from general, yet those who wish to debate them can continue to do so?

But in order to do this, we'd have to come to some understanding about which threads and which posters were considered suitable for the rant-room and why. At the present time this is a moderators decision, and we base our decisions on the tone of the thread and whether it has deteriorated into personal attacks between certain posters etc.

But I notice people are generally reluctant to name names and point the finger at those they talk in general terms about, so determining who is considered a "distuptor" or a "troll" could be difficult in itself.

Unless guidelines are bing over-stepped, I tend to avoid posting on threads with themes I don't enjoy or don't agree with, and I personally feel this is the best way for us to all get along and still enjoy the forum.

What do others think?

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[richmick]

I've just been reading through these posts, and I've been wondering if we can find some middle ground here.

I understand there are people becoming very irritated with some posters they consider "trolls", but when forum guidelines are not being breached, moderators allow threads to take their natural course.

But rather than the suggestion for voting to ban those some consider deliberate distrupters, is there a way we can make better use of the Rant Room so that its taken from general, yet those who wish to debate them can continue to do so?

But in order to do this, we'd have to come to some understanding about which threads and which posters were considered suitable for the rant-room and why. At the present time this is a moderators decision, and we base our decisions on the tone of the thread and whether it has deteriorated into personal attacks between certain posters etc.

But I notice people are generally reluctant to name names and point the finger at those they talk in general terms about, so determining who is considered a "distuptor" or a "troll" could be difficult in itself.

Unless guidelines are bing over-stepped, I tend to avoid postuing threads with themes I don't enjoy or don't agree with, and I personally feel this is the best way for us to all get along and still enjoy the forum.

What do others think?

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Yeah throw everything in the bin, oops sorry, rant room that does'nt conform to the most popular beliefs here and then we can all be happy in our sterilised utopia, nice idea.

Amazing, people could just ignore the threads they dont like, but they dont , then blame it on others for disturbing their peace of mind, when in fact, it is they who are the problem.

Life is simple, it's people who complicate it.:D

[phoebe]

I've just been reading through these posts, and I've been wondering if we can find some middle ground here.

I understand there are people becoming very irritated with some posters they consider "trolls", but when forum guidelines are not being breached, moderators allow threads to take their natural course.

But rather than the suggestion for voting to ban those some consider deliberate distrupters, is there a way we can make better use of the Rant Room so that its taken from general, yet those who wish to debate them can continue to do so?

But in order to do this, we'd have to come to some understanding about which threads and which posters were considered suitable for the rant-room and why. At the present time this is a moderators decision, and we base our decisions on the tone of the thread and whether it has deteriorated into personal attacks between certain posters etc.

But I notice people are generally reluctant to name names and point the finger at those they talk in general terms about, so determining who is considered a "distuptor" or a "troll" could be difficult in itself.

Unless guidelines are bing over-stepped, I tend to avoid posting on threads with themes I don't enjoy or don't agree with, and I personally feel this is the best way for us to all get along and still enjoy the forum.

What do others think?

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2499/lovelimeoa6.jpg

For once Limelady we are in agreement.

[kooo]

Probably for the same reasons you stuck around on the old forum John, even though you complained relentlessly. :)

What's with the cutting remark? a bit harsh is'nt it? i dont get it???:eek:

Typical response from John White. If he's got any proof of me lying I'd like to see it, but he hasn't because he is the liar. He can never answer a straight question always has to twist things and project onto other people. I certainly don't want the likes of him having the power to ban people.

The cutting remark was directed at me because I'm not part of his little gang and I've defended other people from his spitefulness in the past. It's what he does best, ganging up on other people.

[kooo]

And you chose to join? WHY? LOL!

No answer for that is their Kooo? At least: not one you can dare admit. But then lying comes easy to you too: its a common syndrome these days!

Proof of my lying? I'm waiting John.

[richmick]

Typical response from John White. If he's got any proof of me lying I'd like to see it, but he hasn't because he is the liar. He can never answer a straight question always has to twist things and project onto other people. I certainly don't want the likes of him having the power to ban people.

The cutting remark was directed at me because I'm not part of his little gang and I've defended other people from his spitefulness in the past. It's what he does best, ganging up on other people.

I think John needs to demonstrate a little more tolerance towards those who have a different opinion to his own. It's what the infinite love would want i think;)

[phoebe]

I must say that was rather a strange comment from John White.
Kooo is a liar?
Why would you say that?

Regarding joining a David Icke forum when you don't agree 100% with everything he says...
Perhaps people like to discuss the concepts he presents whether they agree with them or not.
Perhaps they like to discuss the fact that they don't agree with them at all!
I for example disagree with most of what he says, but agree with a lot of the spiritual side of his work.
Am I not within my rights to join the forum?
Can I only join if I am a die-hard David Icke fan?
Why does it have to be that anybody who doesn't agree with Icke 100%
Must have a negative reason for joining the forum?

[kooo]

I think John needs to demonstrate a little more tolerance towards those who have a different opinion to his own. It's what the infinite love would want i think;)

Indeed ;)

[john white]

I know you far to well Koo. Protest as much as you like, your a trolls moll here under a false flag. Am I intolerant for telling the truth I know? As a liar, obviously you hate truth, but I value it

Splutter on by all means.

[kooo]

I know you far to well Koo. Protest as much as you like, your a trolls moll here under a false flag. Am I intolerant for telling the truth I know? As a liar, obviously you hate truth, but I value it

Splutter on by all means.

I'm still waiting for you to give me some proof of my 'lying' John..

[infinitetruth]

I don't really see the need to ban anyone unless they break the rules of the forum and a moderator seems it fitting to do so. Labelling someone a troll and then banning them smacks of Illuminati techniques of control. Witch-hunting and the like.

People should have the right to express themselves here, no matter what beliefs they have. We shouldn't blindly follow Icke and I'm sure he wouldn't want us to.


Since it is an Icke forum I would be upset if we were overrun by ppl ridiculing Icke, I wouldn't like that at all - but then again I wouldn't like the ridiculing of anyone really.

But whatever beliefs or opinions we have, we all have the ability to express our point of view without becoming nasty or abusive or resorting to name-calling.

To be honest, sometimes I am a little afraid of posting here through fear of what sort of a reply I would get. Which as it happens, also smacks of Illuminati control tecniques.

[graflok]

People should have the right to express themselves here, no matter what beliefs they have.

... unless that belief is that someone else is a troll. :rolleyes:

Yeah, phoebe already expressed this "logic:"

"Everyone should have an equal right to speak their mind as long as they are
anti-Icke or as long as they don't accuse anyone of trying to disrupt the
forum."

Translation: Only trolls have the right to express themselves.

[richmick]

... unless that belief is that someone else is a troll. :rolleyes:

Yeah, phoebe already expressed this "logic:"

"Everyone should have an equal right to speak their mind as long as they are
anti-Icke or as long as they don't accuse anyone of trying to disrupt the
forum."

Translation: Only trolls have the right to express themselves.

I not being funny here, this is just how i see things, but honestly i view you and tinmenace as the biggest trolls on this site. Both of you have completely missed the point of ickes message.

It is because this is ickes site, that it should reflect his belief, which is not one of banning people for having a different opinion to himself. Have you seriously ever read one of his books?

You know you seem like someone who likes to be wrapped up in cotton wool. protected from the big bad world out there, get real.

When you go to the pubs with your mates (if you have any) and you discuss your beliefs with them, if they turn around and tell you your talking crap, do you ban them from your life lol. We all have family, my family dont agree with alot of my beliefs, do i ban them as family. Am i making any sense to you at all.

You claim this is a family of sorts, someone disagrees with you, or questions ickes philisophies and your like "ban them, those cursed fools, those dumbed down religious fruitcase" well something to that effect, you sound like one of those old fashioned preachers, fire and brim stone.

You know NWO de-bunkers are not as thick as you may think. They wont be the nail that stands out above the rest,in here that is. They will infiltrate by assuming the role of the most die hard advocate of icke, once they are excepted as such by the majority, then they will start showing their true colours. The party faithful may read something these de-bunkers have written, and although it is plainly obvious what was written was pretty vile, nasty, lacking empathy, their minds have already decided these are the good guys and will automatically make excuses for that individuals behaviour, so their belief system does'nt start to fall apart. My thoughts anyway.

You seem like an angry, scared, bitter, intolerant man/women i dont know. But i dont get the best of vibes from you. Now how do you like being labelled a troll, it aint nice is it buddy.

[phoebe]

... unless that belief is that someone else is a troll. :rolleyes:

Yeah, phoebe already expressed this "logic:"

"Everyone should have an equal right to speak their mind as long as they are
anti-Icke or as long as they don't accuse anyone of trying to disrupt the
forum."

Translation: Only trolls have the right to express themselves.

Again Graflok...
Nobody is trying to take away the right of the 'troll-exposers' to voice their opinion though are they?

What is the one big difference between these two 'factions', the 'troll's and the 'troll exposers'?
One is calling for the banning of the other.
That's the difference.

One group wants to use it's freedom of expression to express opinions
The other group wants to use it's freedom of expression to try to take away that of the others.

I not being funny here, this is just how i see things, but honestly i view you and tinmenace as the biggest trolls on this site. Both of you have completely missed the point of ickes message.

It is because this is ickes site, that it should reflect his belief, which is not one of banning people for having a different opinion to himself. Have you seriously ever read one of his books?

You know you seem like someone who likes to be wrapped up in cotton wool. protected from the big bad world out there, get real.

When you go to the pubs with your mates (if you have any) and you discuss your beliefs with them, if they turn around and tell you your talking crap, do you ban them from your life lol. We all have family, my family dont agree with alot of my beliefs, do i ban them as family. Am i making any sense to you at all.

You claim this is a family of sorts, someone disagrees with you, or questions ickes philisophies and your like "ban them, those cursed fools, those dumbed down religious fruitcase" well something to that effect, you sound like one of those old fashioned preachers, fire and brim stone.

You know NWO de-bunkers are not as thick as you may think. They wont be the nail that stands out above the rest,in here that is. They will infiltrate by assuming the role of the most die hard advocate of icke, once they are excepted as such by the majority, then they will start showing their true colours. The party faithful may read something these de-bunkers have written, and although it is plainly obvious what was written was pretty vile, nasty, lacking empathy, their minds have already decided these are the good guys and will automatically make excuses for that individuals behaviour, so their belief system does'nt start to fall apart. My thoughts anyway.

You seem like an angry, scared, bitter, intolerant man/women i dont know. But i dont get the best of vibes from you. Now how do you like being labelled a troll, it aint nice is it buddy.

Superbly put.
Some of these 'troll-exposers' at first glance appear to be all infinite love and sugary sweet
But take a look through their posts
And you will see that they are some of the nastiest, most aggressive, venomous people on here.
I don't know if they have an ulterior 'agenda'
But one thing is certain
Their self-delusion is grotesque.

[graflok]

Again Graflok...
Nobody is trying to take away the right of the 'troll-exposers' to voice their opinion though are they?

Get serious, phoebe. That is obviously untrue. You howl like the wind
whenever anyone accuses another of being a troll. My god, you even ranted
about someone starting this thread.

You're not one of those multiple-personality mind-control victims, are you?


What is the one big difference between these two 'factions', the 'troll's and the 'troll exposers'?
One is calling for the banning of the other.
That's the difference.

Not really. The difference is that the trolls espouse "free speech" yet rant
against free speech when it displeases them. Both groups probably wouldn't
mind if the other were banned.

[tinmenace]

First we need to define what a troll is.

Wikipedia says; (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll)

In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts messages about sensitive topics constructed to cause controversy in an online community such as an online discussion forum or USENET groups in order to bait users into responding. They may also plant images and data on networks that others may find disturbing in order to cause confrontation.

Trolls can be existing members of a community that rarely post and often contribute no useful information to the thread, but instead make argumentative posts in an attempt to discredit another person, concentrating almost exclusively on facts irrelevant to the point of the conversation, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others. The key element under attack by a troll is known only to the troll.

A person who retaliates (using whatever means) as a result of a misunderstanding (or as a way of rebelling against the overzealous application of rules) is not a troll.[5] A troll is a person who approaches a board with the specific intention of stirring things up, either as a goal in and of itself or as a means of attacking the board perhaps motivated by opposition to the ethos of the board. For example, a neo-Nazi approaching a Jewish forum with the intention of attacking the members, purely because the neo-Nazi knows the forum to contain Jewish members, will be considered a troll.

The general element, that determines whether a malicious user is a troll or not, is the level of indignant emotions present in the person, coupled with the person's history with the forum or group. An indignant user who has had a previous normal relationship with the group is not a troll, even if the user uses methods of attack that are characteristic of a troll attack.

A troll's main goal is usually to arouse anger and frustration among the message board's other participants, and will write whatever it takes to achieve this end. One popular trolling strategy is the practice of Winning by Losing. While the victim is trying to put forward solid and convincing facts to prove his position, the troll's only goal is to infuriate its prey. The troll takes (what it knows to be) a badly flawed, wholly illogical argument, and then vigorously defends it while mocking and insulting its prey. The troll looks like a complete fool, but this is all part of the plan. The victim becomes noticeably angry by trying to repeatedly explain the flaws of the troll's argument. Provoking this anger was the troll's one and only goal from the very beginning.




Urban Dictionary says; (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll&page=1)

One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

A member of an internet forum who continually harangues and harasses others. Someone with nothing worthwhile to add to a certain conversation, but rather continually threadjacks or changes the subject, as well as thinks every member of the forum is talking about them and only them. Trolls often go by multiple names to circumvent getting banned.

An internet user who sends inflamtory messages with the intention of deliberately starting a flame war.

Rhymes with 'stroll', it refers to a style of fishing where a baited line is drawn in front of fish hoping that one will bite. The person doing is a troller - The analogy to a baited message hoping for bites is obvious.

Any person who is so miserable and lacking self worth that said person makes his/her lifes goal of pissing others off and generally being a lamer.




You get the idea. I could probably tweak the definition as I see it based on my own experience around trolls, but basically this is what I'm talking about when I accuse someone of being a troll. Did anyone have a different definition of troll?

Sometimes I fight fire with fire, because there doesn't seem to be any protection for David against trolls slamming him, and I take offense to that. Seems there are more troll-defenders than Icke-defenders. I'm just doing my bit to even out the playing field, and I don't care who it offends.

This is David's forum, his name is on it, and it sickens me when I see trolls slamming David, his work, or his fans. I will stand up and fight back because the way I see it, if you don't agree with David, wtf are you doing on his website? If you're not here to learn and share, and only here to insult David, his work or his fans, then you are a certified troll.

If you're not contributing worthwhile information on the forum, and all your posts consist of tearing David , his work, or his fans down, then you are a troll.

And, if you only defend the rights of the trolls to speak freely, then you are a troll defender (basically from the same camp).

My two cents.

[phoebe]

[QUOTE]Quote:Originally Posted by phoebe
Again Graflok...
Nobody is trying to take away the right of the 'troll-exposers' to voice their opinion though are they?

Get serious, phoebe. That is obviously untrue. You howl like the wind
whenever anyone accuses another of being a troll. My god, you even ranted
about someone starting this thread.

You're not one of those multiple-personality mind-control victims, are you?

This is getting very frustrating now so I'll attempt one last go at explaining...
Excuse me for shouting but this really is like headbutting a brick wall...

WHEN DID I EVER TRY TO GET SOMEONE BANNED FOR CALLING SOMEONE ELSE A TROLL???

Howling like the wind at someone calling somebody else a troll isn't the same as trying to take away their right to call someone a troll is it?

Is there anybody else here that understands the difference between these two things?

Multiple-personality mind control victim???
Are you gaslighting or WHAT?


Quote Phoebe: What is the one big difference between these two 'factions', the 'troll's and the 'troll exposers'?
One is calling for the banning of the other.
That's the difference.

Not really. The difference is that the trolls espouse "free speech" yet rant
against free speech when it displeases them. Both groups probably wouldn't
mind if the other were banned.

Where have I ranted against free speech?
Again I believe you to be completely misunderstanding my whole 'cause' regarding this.
Free speech is not the issue.
Call whoever you want to call a troll - knock yourself out!
People here should be able to take it.
When it gets to forming lynchmobs trying to have people banned though...
Whole different ballgame.

And let's not go into 'probablys'
Let's deal only with 'definites'...
There is only ONE side of this 'fence' that has called for any bannnig to be done
And that is 'your' side Graflok.

[james777]

Trolls......trolls and more trolls......WTF???

Look people, you can call me a troll if you like, I really honestly don't care. If you're on the 'troll patrol' and looking to seek out the 'givers of intentional dis-info' more power to you.......but it really seems as if the main characters in this 'troll patrol' are ironically trolls themselves........LOL....it does make me laugh.....

Perhaps the 'troll patrol' can put some money together, run their own forum and place whatever rules in place they'd like....or just shut the fuck up......or keep complaining.......whatever floats your boat......

[phoebe]

First we need to define what a troll is.









You get the idea. I could probably tweak the definition as I see it based on my own experience around trolls, but basically this is what I'm talking about when I accuse someone of being a troll. Did anyone have a different definition of troll?

Sometimes I fight fire with fire, because there doesn't seem to be any protection for David against trolls slamming him, and I take offense to that. Seems there are more troll-defenders than Icke-defenders. I'm just doing my bit to even out the playing field, and I don't care who it offends.

This is David's forum, his name is on it, and it sickens me when I see trolls slamming David, his work, or his fans. I will stand up and fight back because the way I see it, if you don't agree with David, wtf are you doing on his website? If you're not here to learn and share, and only here to insult David, his work or his fans, then you are a certified troll.

If you're not contributing worthwhile information on the forum, and all your posts consist of tearing David , his work, or his fans down, then you are a troll.

And, if you only defend the rights of the trolls to speak freely, then you are a troll defender (basically from the same camp).

My two cents.














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[graflok]

WHEN DID I EVER TRY TO GET SOMEONE BANNED FOR CALLING SOMEONE ELSE A TROLL???

When did I ever say that you tried to get anyone banned?


Again I believe you to be completely misunderstanding my whole 'cause' regarding this.
Free speech is not the issue.
Call whoever you want to call a troll - knock yourself out!
People here should be able to take it.
When it gets to forming lynchmobs trying to have people banned though...
Whole different ballgame.

When you say that I'm trying to get someone banned, what are you referring
to? I did start one thread a while back in which I expressed the opinion
that the forum should be limited to fans of David Icke. Other than that,
what are you talking about? What "lynch mobs" have you hallucinated that
I am a part of? And, how could a forum member get anyone banned in
the first place?

[phoebe]

When did I ever say that you tried to get anyone banned?



When you say that I'm trying to get someone banned, what are you referring
to? I did start one thread a while back in which I expressed the opinion
that the forum should be limited to fans of David Icke. Other than that,
what are you talking about? What "lynch mobs" have you hallucinated that
I am a part of? And, how could a forum member get anyone banned in
the first place?

I'm sorry but if you can't understand after my trying to explain what I mean umpteen times
I don't think you ever will.
Forget it.
Go and put your head back in the sand
(or up tinmenace's arse)
Whichever you find most pleasing.

[dondaz]

Can I film the fight?:rolleyes:

[mentalogirl]

Mmm.It seems to me that most people here don't mind terribly what is being said,but HOW it is being said.Then a big fight happens,for the most ridiculous reasons,as I presume noone here knows each other personally?
:confused:

Apart from that,I believe that there is a big difference between freedom of speech and actually being responsible for what comes out of my mouth.

;)

(and I thought "troll patrol" was immensely funny!:p)

[graflok]

I'm sorry but if you can't understand after my trying to explain what I mean umpteen times
I don't think you ever will.
Forget it.
Go and put your head back in the sand
(or up tinmenace's arse)
Whichever you find most pleasing.

Your post is non sequitur.

Have you ever just given a straight answer to a question? Just wondering. :confused:

[kooo]

Mmm.It seems to me that most people here don't mind terribly what is being said,but HOW it is being said.Then a big fight happens,for the most ridiculous reasons,as I presume noone here knows each other personally?
:confused:

Apart from that,I believe that there is a big difference between freedom of speech and actually being responsible for what comes out of my mouth.

;)

(and I thought "troll patrol" was immensely funny!:p)

Fight? I didn't see any fight. What did I miss?

[phoebe]

Your post is non sequitur.

Have you ever just given a straight answer to a question? Just wondering. :confused:

Sigh.
You were using the fact that I have been complaining about people such as yourself calling people trolls
To imply that I am against freedom of speech for 'non-trolls'
When in fact what I am 'against'
Is people rallying for a banning.
It's reminiscent of a witchunt.
I don't recall saying you PERSONALLY calling for banning
But various people are.

[graflok]

I not being funny here

I believe you.


this is just how i see things, but honestly i view you and tinmenace as the biggest trolls on this site. Both of you have completely missed the point of ickes message.

Please tell me what you think the point of Icke's message is.


It is because this is ickes site, that it should reflect his belief, which is not one of banning people for having a different opinion to himself.

Please tell me what you consider Icke's belief to be.


Have you seriously ever read one of his books?

Yes.


You know you seem like someone who likes to be wrapped up in cotton wool. protected from the big bad world out there, get real.

In the Summer? In L.A.? I don't think so.


When you go to the pubs with your mates (if you have any) and you discuss your beliefs with them, if they turn around and tell you your talking crap, do you ban them from your life lol.

I don't drink. But, you go ahead.


We all have family, my family dont agree with alot of my beliefs, do i ban them as family. Am i making any sense to you at all.

There we are with this banning thing again. Who's talking about banning?
What was said exactly?


You claim this is a family of sorts

I do? Where did I claim that?


someone disagrees with you, or questions ickes philisophies and your like "ban them, those cursed fools, those dumbed down religious fruitcase" well something to that effect, you sound like one of those old fashioned preachers, fire and brim stone.

Where did I say that? What did I say exactly?


You know NWO de-bunkers are not as thick as you may think. They wont be the nail that stands out above the rest,in here that is. They will infiltrate by assuming the role of the most die hard advocate of icke, once they are excepted as such by the majority, then they will start showing their true colours. The party faithful may read something these de-bunkers have written, and although it is plainly obvious what was written was pretty vile, nasty, lacking empathy, their minds have already decided these are the good guys and will automatically make excuses for that individuals behaviour, so their belief system does'nt start to fall apart. My thoughts anyway.

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about here.


You seem like an angry, scared, bitter, intolerant man/women i dont know.


Angry? No. Scared? No. Bitter? No. Intolerant? Nobody's perfect.


But i dont get the best of vibes from you.

The feeling's mutual.


Now how do you like being labelled a troll, it aint nice is it buddy.

Actually, I kind of like it, thanks.

[montag]

When you go to the pubs with your mates (if you have any) and you discuss your beliefs with them, if they turn around and tell you your talking crap, do you ban them from your life lol. We all have family, my family dont agree with alot of my beliefs, do i ban them as family. Am i making any sense to you at all.

That argument doesn't wash with me richmick, although I see your point. One of the reasons these type of forums are set up is as a kind of oasis for like minds to be able to freely express themselves and communicate ideas with other like minds without fear of ridicule. Most of us here and I'm sure this includes you have our beliefs challenged and ridiculed outside of this forum on a daily basis if we are courageous enough to express them, so we come here for a bit of peace, looking for friendship and understanding.

To continue with your pub analogy, with all the flaming, name calling and accusations I've seen flying around here lately I'm sure if we ran in to each other at a pub it would be such a joy to be able to have a beer with someone who understood the world in the way most of us here do because on the whole what we all have in common is the search for meaning in this fucked up world, we sometimes just travel on different paths to find it.

[graflok]

Sigh.
You were using the fact that I have been complaining about people such as yourself calling people trolls
To imply that I am against freedom of speech for 'non-trolls'
When in fact what I am 'against'
Is people rallying for a banning.
It's reminiscent of a witchunt.
I don't recall saying you PERSONALLY calling for banning
But various people are.

OK, thank you for clarifying that you were not saying that I personally was calling for a banning (because I wasn't).

[kooo]

I thought we were here to fight the New World Order.

[auron]

Why fight when one can chill.

http://www.visualbliss.co.uk/gallery/artwork/images/magic%20mushroom%20picture.jpg

[bicycle]

I thought we were here to fight the New World Order.

Yep typing away on an internet forum is really going to kick some NWO arse, they must be shitting themselves.

Anyway this word troll is just another one of those throw away buzz words like conspiracy theorist.

[richmick]

That argument doesn't wash with me richmick, although I see your point. One of the reasons these type of forums are set up is as a kind of oasis for like minds to be able to freely express themselves and communicate ideas with other like minds without fear of ridicule. Most of us here and I'm sure this includes you have our beliefs challenged and ridiculed outside of this forum on a daily basis if we are courageous enough to express them, so we come here for a bit of peace, looking for friendship and understanding.

To continue with your pub analogy, with all the flaming, name calling and accusations I've seen flying around here lately I'm sure if we ran in to each other at a pub it would be such a joy to be able to have a beer with someone who understood the world in the way most of us here do because on the whole what we all have in common is the search for meaning in this fucked up world, we sometimes just travel on different paths to find it.

I agree, if we met up i'm sure we would mostly all get on. But as for this place being a safe haven for like minded people, i think that's a pipe dream to be honest. People are always going to disagree and sometimes those disagreements turn nasty. The problems is, whose the troll, horrible name i know but i need to use it here as it has popular appeal to the name callers. I've seen threads disintergrate into insults, but often, more than often, hate to say it, but it's the icke mentals that kick it off. Then others join in accusing the wrong person, from my viewpoint, of causing the ruccus. They accuse the person with an different point of view to icke.

No one says anything, the mods turn a blind eye, not all of course, but the wrong person often gets the blame and then some bright spark comes out with a new idea to cull constructive debate. It's wrong.

We are adults not children.

I;m pretty sure some have read icke books and completely missed the point. They jump on it like a new religion and it's surely gonna put people off, because they act just like the thing they claim to oppose.

Like i've said, if you have NWO infiltrators here, they are not so piss poor at their jobs to stand out above the rest and get banned. They wont be so obvious. They will appear to most, to be the most devote supporters of icke. Then they will act in such a way as to put people off ickes work altogether by behaving in obsessive and a cult like manner. People will be thinking, same ole same ole, lets move along. I'm surprised some think they will stick out like a sore thumb.

So whose threads do you bin? who do you ban? it's an impossible task and innocent thought provoking posters will suffer simply for thinking differently and challenging ickes philosophy. What's wrong with that, nothing i can see.

In life we are surrounded by people we love, but who disagree strongly with our beliefs. Do we punish them, of course not. We understand them and are compassionate. Something that is lost here..

My 2 cents worth.

Graflok, if your reading this, no comment mate. I've read another poster trying their best to explain things to you and quite honestly your exhausting. I'll save my energy for other more important discussions thanks. cheers;)

[teslafire]

If someone really has something to say, no troll, moderator or anything in between can stop it.

[thirdwave]

But as for this place being a safe haven for like minded people, i think that's a pipe dream to be honest.

Well not really as thats what it is meant to be for.... for example if there was a fishing forum and someone posted there that did not enjoy fishing then they would more than likely be a troll... and the rest of the people there would see the place as a safe haven for like minded people... hence those people would like to see the back of the trolls who are not inspired by fishing...

here people more than likely search of David Icke related things on the internet and come across this forum then become interested in conversing with people who have the same interests.... so people who regularly chat here should really be viewed as someone with an interest around David Ickes work..... if someone wishes to come here and ask questions about it and try and express that they think his work is bad or wrong... then a couple threads would suffice, but to become a regular here to express such a point is a bit odd in my book, as most come here to chat with like minded people and are the majority.... of course even like minded people have general differences but thats a good thing.

[phoebe]

Well not really as thats what it is meant to be for.... for example if there was a fishing forum and someone posted there that did not enjoy fishing then they would more than likely be a troll... and the rest of the people there would see the place as a safe haven for like minded people... hence those people would like to see the back of the trolls who are not inspired by fishing...

here people more than likely search of David Icke related things on the internet and come across this forum then become interested in conversing with people who have the same interests.... so people who regularly chat here should really be viewed as someone with an interest around David Ickes work..... if someone wishes to come here and ask questions about it and try and express that they think his work is bad or wrong... then a couple threads would suffice, but to become a regular here to express such a point is a bit odd in my book, as most come here to chat with like minded people and are the majority.... of course even like minded people have general differences but thats a good thing.

I'm afraid that your fishing forum analogy is completely unworkable.
You simply cannot compare a fishing forum, which has members discussing their favourite hobby
With a David Icke forum which has members discussing issues of worldwide importance such as global dictatorships and spirituality and every spinoff subject imaginable.
Do you not see that it is far more likely that someone might join a David Icke forum to register their disbelief in his work
Or to say they have proof that he is misleading people?
Than it is for someone to register at a fishing forum merely to state that they don't like fishing?
It isn't even the same thing or even anywhere close.
So don't be silly.

[Anders Lindman]

Yep typing away on an internet forum is really going to kick some NWO arse, they must be shitting themselves.


Good point. Actually it's quite frustrating that the elite can do anything they want, like having an exercise the day of the London bombings matching exactly the real event. And they can even admit that in mainstream media. And it gets brushed off as a mere coincidence. It's like winning a $1,000,000 jackpot in Las Vegas 12,000 times in a row, and then go: "Yes, I can do that. I can win so many times. What's so strange about that? What do you mean, unlikely? I don't know what you are talking about. You sound like a conspiracy theorist"

[dondaz]

I thought we were here to fight the New World Order.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/dazp5/sideplitter.gif

Are you fucking serious?

The internet is only good for spreading the word. One must go outside their own front doors and challenge the nwo and their system in order to fight the nwo. You may as well go down the pub mate if you think your fighting anyone over the internet!

Av' one for me while you're there!:D

Yep typing away on an internet forum is really going to kick some NWO arse, they must be shitting themselves.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/dazp5/sideplitter.gifhttp://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/dazp5/sideplitter.gif

Pure genius!

[kooo]

Are you fucking serious?

The internet is only good for spreading the word. One must go outside their own front doors and challenge the nwo and their system in order to fight the nwo. You may as well go down the pub mate if you think your fighting anyone over the internet!

Av' one for me while you're there!:D


That comment was in response to some new ager who thought it best to stroke each others egos and pussy foot around each other in a way I can only describe as blatant homosexuality.

I do a lot of spreading the word and it all happens outside. I also wrote over 600 e-mails to the Lords in defiance of ID cards. What have you done? Or do you spend your time doing really important stuff like meditation?

[tinmenace]

So, love expressed between people of the same sex is homosexuality?

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9717/cryingwithlaughterub0.gif

[kooo]

So, love expressed between people of the same sex is homosexuality?


Don't take it personally because I knocked you back on another thread. The thought of you, sorry it makes me feel queezy.

[tinmenace]

Don't take it personally because I knocked you back on another thread.

Don't flatter yourself hun :) You don't have what it takes to knock me back.


But seriously, you didn't answer the question. People of the same sex expressing love to one another are homosexuals? Really??

[Anders Lindman]

the elite can do anything they want, like having an exercise the day of the London bombings matching exactly the real event. And they can even admit that in mainstream media. And it gets brushed off as a mere coincidence. It's like winning a $1,000,000 jackpot in Las Vegas 12,000 times in a row, and then go: "Yes, I can do that. I can win so many times. What's so strange about that? What do you mean, unlikely? I don't know what you are talking about. You sound like a conspiracy theorist"

What luck, eh? Wouldn't you trust such people to put a piece of glass into your arm? Pets and cattle trust being tagged with pieces of glass under their skin. Why wouldn't you?

[oceanwave]

The trolls/police/military/politicians have a job to to do let them do it I say

long live the trolls/police/military/politicians :)


(apologies to callybhoy (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=84210&postcount=27) :p)

[montag]

The trolls/police/military/politicians have a job to to do let them do it I say

long live the trolls/police/military/politicians :)


The difference is they get paid, I just do it for the love.. ZIG HEIL!:p:p:p::cool:

[oceanwave]

The difference is they get paid, I just do it for the love.. ZIG HEIL!:p:p:p::cool:

lol..in that case,

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8799/knuppel2nt0.gif

allow me to reciprocate the love

:D;)

[montag]

lol..in that case,

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8799/knuppel2nt0.gif

allow me to reciprocate the love

:D;)
Promises promises..:rolleyes:

[oceanwave]

Promises promises..:rolleyes:

:eek:

stop whispering sweet nothings!

[ashyr]

well after reading this forum i can see a link between this and that of the politics arising now.
right on schedule. was on TV NEWS lastnight.

anyone see the new right there going let people accuse everyone else of terrorism and suspicious acts everyone now has that right but also its now law to keep it confidential.
so u can accuse in private/secrecy

lets here it.
who has accused someone else here of being a troll? openly? anyone? no?

lets here this also.
who has hinted or passed comments saying they think this "person" is a troll via PM system on this forum? any. i bet there are.


break the mould!

[sibe]

What is all this talking, debating or trolling actually for in the first place? your own awareness perhaps or to tickle your inner self for a few hours, i'm just curious what everyone does with the information thats carried around in their heads, is it to be arrogant and self righteous on a public forum or do many people actually spend a good bit time informing others, talking in your own circles is easy, debating or arguing on a forum is just as easy, but how many people use this sort of energy to inform the general populous that have no clue about anything, in fact were would you start :)

trolls are everywhere, on just about all forums, I've even seen them on forums for dog welfare how sad, e-thugs that can't keep their mouths shut for 10 seconds and just keep repeating the same shit, over and over again, Ickie boy talks about repeaters don't he, i have seen many good threads crash and burn due to trolls or e-thugs; just goes to show how detached many people are.

Banning would be wrong, it's hard but ignore and move on "Don't let the bastards drag you down" soon as you bite and start answering them they have won, ignore every post, every word, eventfully they will move on.................................. Just like rats they go where the food is ............................ Starve them ;)

peace love and have a nice day.

[limelady]

Hi sibe,

wouldn't it be nice if everyone just said .......

http://www.chapelhill.indymedia.org/uploads/im-sorry.gif

.....and just moved on?

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2499/lovelimeoa6.jpg

[kooo]

http://www.chapelhill.indymedia.org/uploads/im-sorry.gif



Oooo I like that picture, I'm going to save it :)

[sibe]

me to :)

[hagbard_celine]

There is an easier solution, use the ignore function provided. The only power the so called trolls have is the power you give away to them..

Hear hear! This forum has an ignore fucntion, which so many others lack. Let's use it.

Did anyone see the Weeping Angels in "Doctor Who"? They're beings that can only move and do things when they are not being looked at. When they're observed they freeze solid into stone, imobile and ineffectual. Well trolls are the exact opposite!

[kasalt]

I'm not sure why many who post on Icke's forum seem to be more interested in contending with each other rather than edifiying each other. Vitriol is always disheartening, and doubly so when it comes from those who profess to have realized that "infinite love is the only truth".

The bottom line:

All the back-and-forth personal bickering is useless. I suggest we simply cease and desist from it. Let’s use our energies to do research and post quality messages to the Forum. If someone wants to discuss or debate, keep it professional and respond only with substance. But if they want to argue and descend into personal attacks, simply ignore them. That alone will take away all their energies. Let’s get on to more productive, beneficial things here.

[pumma]

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9930/zerory3.jpg

http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/tongue/tongue0025.gif

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4736/trolldontfeedav3.jpg

[21_12_2012]

Sorry everyone, the idea is obviously a bad one.

[bicycle]

One persons 'troll' is another persons good forum user.Things just is, we just are and what people make of forum posts is just perceptual so fuck off or I love you take your pick.

[sirjohnthebadji]

One man's
troll is another
man's genius.

Good point

[carlg1212]

I LOVE YOU !!

It's disheartening to say the least, to see trolls on this forum:-

Disrupting the flow of information between the genuine members who are mostly open-minded, experienced, level-headed and well-read people with a good knowledge of David Icke-related material, who are basically here to seek and exchange knowledge.


This forum will most likely be destroyed from within, as are all "free and open speech" forums.

The gubmint infiltrates, the agent provocateurs are situated (december...I know you're listening), the in-fighting starts, the "You are wrong, I am right" mentality takes over, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

The forum gets watered down to a base level of moronic insults and faulty logic (december...I know you're listening).

Nothing new. (december...I know you're listening)

[klinker]

As has been said elsewhere there appears to be an agenda to drag this forum down into the same free for all state of affairs that was/is the old Icke forum. So long as the rest of us are aware of this then it's our responsibility to make sure it does not happen.

Don't waste your energy in useless negative pursuits.

[Anders Lindman]

A good thing about being a troll would be that it gives a freedom to write stuff that is outside one's own belief system. A hardcore atheist can for example pretend to be a devoted Christian and post a lot of pro-Christian stuff just to get a reaction or to get a Christian perspective in order to try to understand the Christian mindset.

But the drawback would be that it would be difficult to shift from for example devoted Christian to fundamentalist Muslim without changing user identity. Maybe many trolls have loads and loads of different user identities? :eek:

[tinmenace]

Even fans of David's work don't all believe the same thing. That's not the issue.

[thirdwave]

Yes I see your point, only problem is there are more militant Icke supporters on here than anyone else.

that probably down to the fact its a David Icke forum :), and there for many people who are inspired by his work come here to chat with others who are also inspired buy it or smiler things at least.....

what would be the motives for someone who is not inspired to come here for? ...to challenge the views? ..ok fare enough, so they come here because they know there will be lots of people here who like Davids work that they can challenge .... but with all due respect to then wonder why there are so many of them here is a little odd though no, seeing as thats why people come here to either discuss his work or challenge those who like it? ... for example, you would not go to a Manchester United Forum to talk to people who support David Ickes works as there will probably be no one there :)

I never came to a David Icke forum because it was all about Icke though... I came here because while i was reading up on info that I wanted to I tended to come across alot of Ickes stuff.... so it seemed logical that an Icke forum would be of interest for me as his subjects are the ones I like to look at, there for many who come here are likely to have smiler interests to my own.... I also think he is very good at bringing people into the subject and we see here all the time new people who have taken an interest and have got thinking...

[dondaz]

(december...I know you're listening)

Indeed.

Name and Shame them! Bollocks to the disrupters and bollocks to the people who stick up for them.

Every now and again I get trouble makers come into my garden and want to fight me. I don't turn the other cheek and say they have the same rights as me.

I smash them in the face in front of everyone and the message gets out to leave me and my family alone.

The thugs tend to leave me alone now. I wonder why!

If members such as December are left to their own devices they would turn this forum upside down. And if the mods don't do something about him soon people will be complaining and possibly leaving this forum.

Stop sticking up for the trouble-making racist dis-infoers and start sticking up for yourselves.

Take their platform away, just like tv do with David Icke!

Stop being cowards, get rid of them, because this is going to go on and on and on untill this sight is fucked up by the trolls!

I want to volunteer to be a Moderator on this forum.

I'm not affraid of banning december and his sidekick dell, who are blatent trouble makers! Bollocks to them.

And double bollocks to the braindeaders that stick up for and tolerate them!

[thirdwave]

Even fans of David's work don't all believe the same thing. That's not the issue.


yeah this seems to be some fallacy created by some place.... I have never met a person who likes David Icke with the exact same views as my self... not on this board or elsewhere in my life.... yet some like to label me as an Icke'oid or what ever other rubbish they have come up with....

the bottom line its all a form of attack..... but there is no foundations to there attacks.... just that they don't like David Icke and appear to be irritated by people who do like him..... good for them!.

Its like they think trying to create this fallacy will make people self conscious of showing him any support! lol, when I love it!, when people do that and makes me want to support him even more :)

[tinmenace]

yeah this seems to be some fallacy created by some place.... I have never met a person who likes David Icke with the exact same views as my self... not on this board or elsewhere in my life.... yet some like to label me as an Icke'oid or what ever other rubbish they have come up with....

the bottom line its all a form of attack..... but there is no foundations to there attacks.... just that they don't like David Icke and appear to be irritated by people who do like him..... good for them!.

Its like they think trying to create this fallacy will make people self conscious of showing him any support! lol, when I love it!, when people do that and makes me want to support him even more :)

Well, exactly! David doesn't have a dogma that we all follow, and he's not a cult leader or the messiah (or something equally ridiculous :rolleyes:). Whenever people go down that path, I KNOW they haven't read or comprehended David's work.

[thirdwave]

Well, exactly! David doesn't have a dogma that we all follow, and he's not a cult leader or the messiah (or something equally ridiculous :rolleyes:). Whenever people go down that path, I KNOW they haven't read or comprehended David's work.

I agree

I have been accused of blindly sticking up for him no matter what.... thats not the case, I have had discussions with people about things I do not think he has done well or things he should be doing in my view.... but these are just constructive things ..... when I see people constantly looking for things to hit him with then i lose interest and even if that person has a point I will still completely ignore it as what would be the point of paying attention to someone who clearly has a personal agenda to bring someone down, if you fire enough darts at the board you gona get some good hits! ... so what, no one is perfect.

and the funny thing is the people who have criticized me for being to defensive of him and "constantly defending him" are the ying next to the yang, as if they feel I am constantly defending him then what does that say about them? .... only thing im guilty of is being argumentative.

[lifeofbrian]

David Icke is a brave individual. Those who recognise that often agree with the following:

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

--Voltaire, (Attributed); originated in "The Friends of Voltaire", 1906, by S. G. Tallentyre (Evelyn Beatrice Hall)
French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 - 1778)

On a David Icke site, it is poor manners to not give DI credit for his amount of work and dedication, and not consider the hardships his individuality has brought in its wake. Keeping it kind should be obvious.

Objections to what DI offers and suggests in his body of work can be presented in the appropriate way:

focus on the ball (information), not the man.

[white hat]

Well, exactly! David doesn't have a dogma that we all follow, and he's not a cult leader or the messiah (or something equally ridiculous :rolleyes:). Whenever people go down that path, I KNOW they haven't read or comprehended David's work.

Didnt David claim to be the son of God? I know people know say he meant godhead but on that TV show it didn't come over that way and i feel it was a rethink made after the event.

Please dont flame me its a legitimate question something i have noticed quite often gets taken as trolling on here.

Maybe everyone's a little trigger happy?????

[lifeofbrian]

Didnt David claim to be the son of God? I know people know say he meant godhead but on that TV show it didn't come over that way and i feel it was a rethink made after the event.

Please dont flame me its a legitimate question something i have noticed quite often gets taken as trolling on here.

Maybe everyone's a little trigger happy?????

He wouldn't be the first one to make such a claim.

Anybody in an intense spiritual situation have felt it.

Get over it.

[white hat]

Get over it comes over as attitude and rather defencive. I categorically started it was a legitimate question. Theres no need to be rude to me i wasnt rude to you or anyone else.

I was testing the waters.

I think that illustrates the problem. If someone asks a question which dosent go with the flow sometimes they are attacked instead of answered.

Still it was a legitimate question as i stated. I would like to hear answers to my questions instead of put downs or attacks which seems to be all to often the case. Maybe the hardcore Icke supporters are actually creating the problem with replies like the one i got. Trolls may come here because they can see its so easy to get people rocking n rolling.

[lifeofbrian]

Get over it comes over as attitude and rather defencive. I categorically started it was a legitimate question. Theres no need to be rude to me i wasnt rude to you or anyone else.

I was testing the waters.

I think that illustrates the problem. If someone asks a question which dosent go with the flow sometimes they are attacked instead of answered.

Still it was a legitimate question as i stated. I would like to hear answers to my questions instead of put downs or attacks which seems to be all to often the case. Maybe the hardcore Icke supporters are actually creating the problem with replies like the one i got. Trolls may come here because they can see its so easy to get people rocking n rolling.

I apologise if you felt that your "testing the waters" could not be responded to with common sense.

Why does it matter so much to you that some guy spoke his mind (and feelings) on the telly nearly 20 years ago?

Nevermind. Seems to me you are the touchy and hypersensitive one.

No "attack" intended on my part.

You?

[white hat]

What was said on the TV was not the point. I wanted to know how asking about it would be replied to.

[lifeofbrian]

What was said on the TV was not the point. I wanted to know how asking about it would be replied to.

Well, consider me an example then.

My response came from experience: People say a lot of things, when they are in all sorts of moods. Not all of us get caught on camera or tape though. Expected to be held accountable for every single comment we might have made. I don't know; have you ever been drunk at all? How about people pestering you about what you might have said at that point in time, and never letting it go? As if you were defined by that single incident, and nothing before and after matters? Fun, eh?

I will back off and let you focus on the other replies.

Thank you for clarifying your intention.

[rcrist]

This forum is the worst ive EVER been on! It has some good stuff and good people on it BUT the hippy bullshit ruins it ALL!

[white hat]

The fact remains that certain topics produce a hostile response from some hardcore David supporters. This is what i was testing and the point i was trying to make. I think this is a contributing factor to the problems seen here.

I could have posted that or something like it as a first time post got inundated with threats and abuse (as i have seen happen) and thought screw this give them some back. Another instant flame war basically started by some of Davids supporters not a troll because they didn't just answer the question they had to lay in with the abuse because they assumed troll.

Its just an observation i have made over the past few weeks.

The observation is sit a good on though tinmenace claims David is not the messiah etc but he did claim to be the son of God.

Watch me get flamed again. Why did he claim to be the son of God?

[sensimillia]

the hippy bullshit ruins it ALL!

for whom, you? who cares, find another forum then...:D

[freespark]

This forum is the worst ive EVER been on! It has some good stuff and good people on it BUT the hippy bullshit ruins it ALL!

I'm sorry you let it bother you so. I find there is nothing wrong with the forum because i choose to view it in a positive light. I take what i want and i leave what i don't.

It's a pity that alot of people who visit can't seem to keep it that simple eh? But then again, when is anything ever simple with us humans anyway?

There always has to be drama hey? Enjoy.

[rcrist]

for whom, you? who cares, find another forum then...:D

Yeah well the only reason I came back to this forum was to stop those stupid email update things. Just thought Id leave a trolling comment for you to think about, good bye and good day!

[sensimillia]

Yeah well the only reason I came back to this forum was to stop those stupid email update things. Just thought Id leave a trolling comment for you to think about, good bye and good day!

thanks mate, all the best to you...;)

[lifeofbrian]

The fact remains that certain topics produce a hostile response from some hardcore David supporters. This is what i was testing and the point i was trying to make. I think this is a contributing factor to the problems seen here.

I could have posted that or something like it as a first time post got inundated with threats and abuse (as i have seen happen) and thought screw this give them some back. Another instant flame war basically started by some of Davids supporters not a troll because they didn't just answer the question they had to lay in with the abuse because they assumed troll.

Its just an observation i have made over the past few weeks.

The observation is sit a good on though tinmenace claims David is not the messiah etc but he did claim to be the son of God.

Watch me get flamed again. Why did he claim to be the son of God?

As none of us have personally been given the green card to shape the world around us to our own liking (because co-operation is a huge lesson too) what we can do is go in search for the nuggets which appeal to us. That goes for this site. Pick the topics and threads which do not piss you off. Enjoy.

Generally; when a person claims to be a "son of God" they are in the process of spiritual awakening.

When your turn comes, compassion for it will follow.

[white hat]

I have a few apprehensions about trusting people who have not been truthful in the past thats human nature, fool me once and all that.

When my turn comes? I cant ever see me proclaiming myself the son of God on prime time national TV and how do you know i havent had a spiritual awakening just because we disagree on things may be you have it wrong.

What you seem to be describing is mental illness and i dont mean that in a horrible way.

[white hat]

BTW he didnt say he was a son of God but the son of God.

[lifeofbrian]

I have a few apprehensions about trusting people who have not been truthful in the past thats human nature, fool me once and all that. Maybe he was suffering for a mental illness at the time i dont know i just wanted to know why he said such a thing.

When my turn comes? I cant ever see me proclaiming myself the son of God on prime time national TV.

What you seem to be describing is mental illness and i dont mean that in a horrible way.

I see your point.

Since I am not David I cannot speak for him. But, life has been weird for me too and some times when under great stress or in a crisis there seem to have been something else in the equation giving me strength to get through whatever felt like an inhuman burden.

I am very aware of psychology and have enjoyed reading and understanding Jung very much.

Maybe in your conclusion David Icke was temporarily insane. Maybe in my conclusion he went through what shamans go through when their purpose in life is being pushed forward by their higher self.

On this we would just have to agree to disagree.

I hope you are enjoying your day, and I have found it interesting to read your thoughts, white hat. Hope to see you around a lot more often.

[white hat]

The point of my posts were i should be able to ask these questions without getting abused. I hope people take that on board because if i have a question i will ask.

[lifeofbrian]

The point of my posts were i should be able to ask these questions without getting abused. I hope people take that on board because if i have a question i will ask.

Of course.

Point is, David Icke does not officially reply here.

So what you will get is only speculations, rumours, gossip, theories.

Worthless. Not facts.

Try e-mailing David Icke directly if you want to know personal information about him.

[john white]

BTW he didnt say he was a son of God but the son of God.

"Son of the Godhead: just as we are all Sons and daughters of the Godhead": If you want to be accurate

Its not the "didn't he claim to be the son of god" line that winds people up so much as the not bothering to do some basic checking before asking the question: equally its true that practically everyone who has a kundalini awakening thinks they are the son/daughter of god in the messiah sense for at least a breif period of time, becuase the voice of the creator is so all powerful and the creators message to humanity so overwhelming its a very natural thing to over identify with it as being directed at oneself individually as opposed to what it is: a mesage sent for every single member of mankind

Now was that "flaming" you? :)

Fact is that as long as there is any discussion of David Icke that same question will keep on popping up again and again and again

But the best thing to do is forget about worying about whether or not to trust the mesenger, and quest with all ones being to hear the message without the translator for oneself

[white hat]

"Son of the Godhead: just as we are all Sons and daughters of the Godhead": If you want to be accurate

Its not the "didn't he claim to be the son of god" line that winds people up so much as the not bothering to do some basic checking before asking the question: equally its true that practically everyone who has a kundalini awakening thinks they are the son/daughter of god in the messiah sense for at least a breif period of time, becuase the voice of the creator is so all powerful and the creators message to humanity so overwhelming its a very naturally thing to over identify with it as being directed at oneself individually as opposed to what it is: a mesage sent for every single member of mankind

Now was that "flaming" you? :)

Fact is that as long as there is any discussion of David Icke that same question will keep on popping up again and again and again

But the best thing to do is forget about worying about whether or not to trust the mesenger, and quest with all ones being to hear the message without the translator for oneself

Well when i saw it Wogan said to Icke you claim to be the son of God and Icke replied hmm yes, godhead was not mentioned.

Still if the messenger is fibbing the message is wrong yes?

[john white]

Rather than guess based on a 15 year old memory of an interview aired only once, why not go and find the info and check?

[lifeofbrian]

Well when i saw it Wogan said to Icke you claim to be the son of God and Icke replied hmm yes, godhead was not mentioned.

Still if the messenger is fibbing the message is wrong yes?

From what I have come to understand, density is a huge problem when information from 'higher realms - like the higher self' is attempting to break through to this slow and very dense world of ours.

Imagine there being walls around you. Of bricks, concrete and steel. When the higher self is reaching down it has to break through all these barriers and along the way, the message gets corrupted. Both because of entities polluting the 'letter' on all of the levels it has to pass through and because densities translates signals differently.

This is esoteric stuff explained as simpy as possible.

Language is not perfect. Spoken languages least of all. Discussion is needed to arrive to any sort of hint or idea of understanding.

[synergy777]

there must be some trolls/disinfo. december is actually a good guy who has valid ideas, its just his stance on the russia/aryan/jew angle. its a shame, because he is a good poster.

[eternal_spirit]

there must be some trolls/disinfo. december is actually a good guy who has valid ideas, its just his stance on the russia/aryan/jew angle. its a shame, because he is a good poster.
.......................

Agreed. december does put some good threads together.
Like others on here certain subjects they have passionate views about can seem a bit much to some and can be viewed as trollish behaviour confused for wantong to get some points across.

[lifeofbrian]

there must be some trolls/disinfo. december is actually a good guy who has valid ideas, its just his stance on the russia/aryan/jew angle. its a shame, because he is a good poster.

I reckon lots of people have some kind of "jew angle" on here.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6772

If the nazis had a film industry 1/10 as violent and depraved as what flows out of predominantly jewish Hollywood....

jews own hollywood

Where are the mods shouting about 'anti-semitism' now then?

[eternal_spirit]

Jews appear to be anti everything and only pro for themselves.

[synergy777]

Jews appear to be anti everything and only pro for themselves

nope

http://www.nkusa.org/
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Demonstrations/20070609.cfm

Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews and supporters of the Neturei Karta in the U.K. joined in a demonstration held in Trafalgar Square, London protesting the "state" of Israel, it's atrocities and oppression for over half a century

http://www.aztlan.net/jews_against_zionism.htm

Jews Against the Zionist Israeli Occupation of Palestine

One of the primary causes of modern day Anti-Semitism is the brutal occupation by Zionists of Palestine. There is today a growing number of people of the Jewish faith that recognize that Zionism is in fact counter to the fundamental tenets of the Torah, genuine Judaism and against the principles stated by the ancient Hebrew named Moses. La Voz de Aztlan joins our many Jewish friends who recognize this fact.

Many of the most malevolent Zionists oppressing the Palestinian people in the Holy Land are in fact not of the ancient Hebrew stock. They are opportunist immigrants from Russia and Eastern Europe who converted to Judaism over 1,000 years ago for reasons of self-interest. Judaism has in many ways been hijacked by Zionism.

The Zionists of Israel are not just brutalizing Palestinians, they are also brutalizing genuine Jews. Zionists are not religious and hate Jews who are. This is one fact you will not read or hear in the USA mainstream news networks. The true Anti-Semites of the world are in fact the Zionists. Semitic peoples includes Palestinians and other groups in the Middle East.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm

Traditional Jews Are Not Zionists

Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews.

http://www.mujca.com/

MUJCA-NET is a group of scholars, religious leaders and activists dedicated to uniting members of the Jewish, Christian and Islamic faiths in pursuit of 9/11 truth. We believe that the process of joining together in search of the truth about 9/11 will bring enormous benefits, regardless of what truths we may discover. While our endorsers and supporters have different views about the probable level of US government complicity in 9/11, all of us agree that a new, honest investigation of the possibility of official complicity is a matter of the most urgent national and global importance.

[lifeofbrian]

Jews are not the be all and end all of everything. Bogey man and reds under the bed hysteria.

Blah.

Like 'trolls'.

Oh, the trolls are coming to destroy the forum! Police, police!

Fuck no.

Get a grip.

[eternal_spirit]

I don't trust them anway

[eternal_spirit]

Okay, should I say I don't trust the Jewish religion, power to the Jews who turn their back on the religious teachings.

[synergy777]

i love the good in every religion/nation, they go against the mainstream and be true to themselves.

1love means what its says on the tin, lol

[lifeofbrian]

Okay, should I say I don't trust the Jewish religion, power to the Jews who turn their back on the religious teachings.

I am on board with you on that.

People are not ultimately their language, their religion, their stuff, their taste in music though.

Nice post mate.

[eternal_spirit]

i love the good in every religion/nation, they go against the mainstream and be true to themselves.

1love means what its says on the tin, lol
............
lol Take the religion out the Nation and make it better.
The masses verses the Elite priesthood classes.

[synergy777]

but its the love, compassion, of religion thats give me energy to do good. not organsied religion, but the truth in texts, the actions of the teachers, the message they gave, but which the elite corrupted. like albert camus said:

"I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus

then when i started to look at religion, the message in all of them, i realised they were one, universal truth. only man has made religion bad/divided, not the creator. its the ideal of unity, liberty, peace, compassion, are the truth imho. each to his own, but it works for me.

[lifeofbrian]

Compassion and empathy are feelings.

Universal.

Not intellectual virtues from some fancy book within any bizarre cult/religion.

What cults/religions tell you is whom are worthy of your feelings.

Bollocks.

[synergy777]

well us regular people need some ancient wisdom, wheras some of us are gods, lol

[tinmenace]

Didnt David claim to be the son of God?

Many years have passed since. Try catching up will ya?

I know people know say he meant godhead but on that TV show it didn't come over that way and i feel it was a rethink made after the event.

People evolve. Are you the same person you were 20 years ago? Are your priorities the same?

Please dont flame me its a legitimate question

Please carefully consider my answer before answering back.


...something i have noticed quite often gets taken as trolling on here.

Something I've noticed none of the trolls are able to comprehend; the evolution of understanding and personal growth. It's a path along which people make quantum leaps in thinking and spiritual growth. Do you understand this concept?

Maybe everyone's a little trigger happy?????

Including you, dear.


.

[richmick]

.


White hat, this is the biggest so called "troll" (cringe) on the forum. She suffers from icke obsessive compulsive disorder. Her words are full of hostility and bitter hatred for anyone who opposes her demi god icke. She will spam you with fluffy love icons to hide her dark side. I would simply ignore this individual and would not bother replying to her patronising post. cheers;)

[tinmenace]

White hat, this is the biggest so called "troll" (cringe) on the forum. She suffers from icke obsessive compulsive disorder. Her words are full of hostility and bitter hatred for anyone who opposes her demi god icke. She will spam you with fluffy love icons to hide her dark side. I would simply ignore this individual and would not bother replying to her patronising post. cheers;)

:) I love you Richmick

[winniewillcocks]

:) I love you Richmick

Why are they all picking on you?

[eternal_spirit]

I stopped smoking last night so I apologise if I appear to shape shift into a troll and back. That's my excuse anyhow.

[white hat]

Rather than guess based on a 15 year old memory of an interview aired only once, why not go and find the info and check?


That's very presumptuous of you John. I did check you just guessed (wrongly) i didn't. He definitely claims to be the son of God.

[john white]

That's very presumptuous of you John. I did check you just guessed (wrongly) i didn't. He definitely claims to be the son of God.

LOL! Got a transcript? ;)

Your being deliberately obtuse

Fair enough, but don't whine about being disrespected for it

"Son of the Godhead: just as we are all Sons and daughters of the Godhead": If you want to be accurate

Its not the "didn't he claim to be the son of god" line that winds people up so much as the not bothering to do some basic checking before asking the question: equally its true that practically everyone who has a kundalini awakening thinks they are the son/daughter of god in the messiah sense for at least a breif period of time, becuase the voice of the creator is so all powerful and the creators message to humanity so overwhelming its a very natural thing to over identify with it as being directed at oneself individually as opposed to what it is: a mesage sent for every single member of mankind

Now was that "flaming" you?

Fact is that as long as there is any discussion of David Icke that same question will keep on popping up again and again and again

But the best thing to do is forget about worying about whether or not to trust the mesenger, and quest with all ones being to hear the message without the translator for oneself

[i_am]

That's very presumptuous of you John. I did check you just guessed (wrongly) i didn't. He definitely claims to be the son of God.

Actually, I have seen the interview and thought he claimed to be A Son of the Godhead....as are we all, not The Son of God or Jesus or any of the other things reported in the press.

David Icke appearing on the show wearing a turquoise-coloured shell suit, and claiming to be "a son of the Godhead".

That is from wikipedia but if you do a search you will find other references which verify that.

[i_am]

LOL! Got a transcript? ;)

Your being deliberately obtuse

Fair enough, but don't whine about being disrespected for it

It must be the full MOON

[danielg]

Skip 5:50 into this flick... Icke on Wogan.

[danielg]

Skip 5:50 into this flick... Icke on Wogan.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351&q=DAVID+ICKE%3A+The+Lizards+and+the+Jews

[winniewillcocks]

Skip 5:50 into this flick... Icke on Wogan.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351&q=DAVID+ICKE%3A+The+Lizards+and+the+Jews

So do you think Icke is a nut then? I not sure any more???:confused:

[seanx]

winniewillcocks wrote:

So do you think Icke is a nut then? I not sure any more???

A few months after Wogan, Dave icke appreared on a tv show
here in Ireland called the Late, LATE show.

And he was asked why he called himself the 'son of God'.

He said yes, he was the son of God - and he pointed to
Gay Byrne, who was the host of the show- and you
too are the son of God.

In fact, everyone of us here in this studio is the son and
daughter of God.

He then pointed this out to a Catholic priest, who no doubt has
been planted in the audience if this was correct - and the
poor man had to admit it was.


Now, my friend...or 'whoever' you may be, if someone calling
himself a son of God makes him a 'nutter'....do you think you
are on the right forum?

There must be other forums you can play on.....mr. Willcocks????
Or will none of the other kids play with you?

[seanx]

I stopped smoking last night so I apologise if I appear to shape shift into a troll and back. That's my excuse anyhow

Eternal spirit,

Here's a great free quit smoking website. I used it five years ago
- and found quitting smoking quite easy using the simple ideas there.

www.quitsmokingonline.com (http://www.quitsmokingonline.com)

.

[white hat]

LOL! Got a transcript? ;)

Your being deliberately obtuse

Fair enough, but don't whine about being disrespected for it

Wogan "let me get this straight the press claim that you claim to be the son of God. Is that true?

Icke yes you see the thing is...............

So he did claim to be the son of God, Godhead was not mentioned.

How dare you call me obtuse you rude person.

[white hat]

It must be the full MOON

Don't be rude i was right you were wrong still no excuse to become abusive.

Wogan "let me get this straight the press claim that you claim to be the son of God. Is that true?

Icke yes you see the thing is...............

So he did claim to be the son of God, Godhead was not mentioned.

You were talking about a different interview.

[eternal_spirit]

Eternal spirit,

Here's a great free quit smoking website. I used it five years ago
- and found quitting smoking quite easy using the simple ideas there.

www.quitsmokingonline.com (http://www.quitsmokingonline.com)



.

.............
Thanks seanx I'll have a look.

[white hat]

Lol i knew it. Ask a question that hardcore Icke fans want to avoid and you get branded a Troll. I know Icke said hes the son of God i watched it. The point of asking the question was to measure the response and to try and decided if this is having an effect on this forum in regards to the so called troll problem. If your only allowed to post things that lick arse im not interested. Read back in the thread a bit.

The problem here as i see it is not with trolls as i have apparently been branded but people trying to restrict what is said. If you insult people for asking questions some will insult you back i will not lower myself to your level. That doesnt make them a troll as asking the question in the first place dosent.

Still tinmenace Icke did claim to be the son of God didn't he. Next time check before you post then you wont have to call people names to try and cover up the fact that you were wrong.

[tinmenace]

Lol i knew it. Ask a question that hardcore Icke fans want to avoid and you get branded a Troll. I know Icke said hes the son of God i watched it. The point of asking the question was to measure the response and to try and decided if this is having an effect on this forum in regards to the so called troll problem. If your only allowed to post things that lick arse im not interested. Read back in the thread a bit.

The problem here as i see it is not with trolls as i have apparently been branded but people trying to restrict what is said. If you insult people for asking questions some will insult you back i will not lower myself to your level. That doesnt make them a troll as asking the question in the first place dosent.

Still tinmenace Icke did claim to be the son of God didn't he. Next time check before you post then you wont have to call people names to try and cover up the fact that you were wrong.

And so what?

[white hat]

tinmenace what you posted was rude are you going to be big enough to admit you were wrong Icke did claim to be the son of God and say sorry for your cruel words towards me?

The reason for asking the question has been explained and you and John have born out the expected response.

[white hat]

John why would i need a transcript when its on Google video? BTW yes transcripts are available online, whats your point?

Please only reply if you can refrain from insulting me this time.

[tinmenace]

tinmenace what you posted was rude are you going to be big enough to admit you were wrong Icke did claim to be the son of God and say sorry for your cruel words towards me?

The reason for asking the question has been explained and you and John have born out the expected response.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/goat.jpg

[danielg]

Who is the trigger happy mod that keeps banning people? White hat is hardly a problem 'service user'.

[limelady]

Who is the trigger happy mod that keeps banning people? White hat is hardly a problem 'service user'.

Nobody is being trigger happy here. White hat is a previously banned forum abuser returned under another name. The moderators have merely re-banned him.

[i_am]

Sorry fellas but HE is not that pretty lady in the photo thread

[sensimillia]

Sorry fellas but HE is not that pretty lady in the photo thread

that photo seemed a bit suspicious...:D

[pedsi]

Sorry fellas but HE is not that pretty lady in the photo thread

C'mon tell us who is HE:)

[sidlittle]

Troll, girl or guy, I don't know but White hat makes an obvious point. Icke, never mentioned 'godhead' in the Wogan interview, that came later. One may argue he wasn't given the opportunity to expand in that interview but also remember Icke now admits to being all over the place in his head during that period of his life.

What Icke may have meant at the time and how it was generally perceived by the public is completely different of course. There are people who believe he is some sort of religious fruitcake. The ironing is delicious as Bart Simpson would say.

[tinmenace]

C'mon tell us who is HE:)

This is my guess...

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/peewee.jpg

[tru3]

re: icke as son o' god.

i agree with lifeofbrian: icke had an awakening experience, which can be hard to "unpack" for others. people bring their own understanding to any piece of communication; the strength of the response is an indication of their own attachment to their world view.

re: december as troll

The Internet Troll As The Trickster Archetype
May 30th, 2007 by Lord Andrew J. Andrews II


“The troll comes to the door of a new forum and sets down his bag of tricks. If he has a grudge against the people inside discussing and debating their passions with a certain degree of amicability, peacability and decorum, he does not show them. He has the cracked, stoic smile of Robin Goodfellow, a Puck with the simple desire to disrupt peace itself. He loves chaos; his bag is full of golden apples he can lob to set the masses squabbling. He has also many masks, smoke bombs, straw men, cloaks, puppets, matches, ethanol, knives, dust, sand, and magicks of the most arcane sort. He knows what he is about - causing trouble. Why? This is the troll’s darkest mystery - if any one knew his secret, he would die. For all trolls, their motive power is this: without contraries, they cannot progress.”

...

Chaos, discord, controversy, argument; the troll often serves as the Erisian element, capable of galvanizing and polarizing unsuspecting groups with his tricks. What’s the point? Maybe it’s fun to push the limits, to agitate people, to vent one’s hostile emotions at unsuspecting, real persons under the mask of anonymity. Maybe it’s an outlet for real cruelty and vehemence, maybe it’s a hobby, anything could be driving the motivated troll. There are troublemakers in all sorts of settings, in all sorts of mythologies - a troll can be equated to Loki or Anansi just as easily as they could a vitriolic bigot. Who knows? All I understand is that the Internet troll exists by the grace of those who give him a voice; without that, he is nothing.

<a response>

A good troll is a holy fool - one who punctures pretensions without predjudice. Who realizes that generating heat and generating light are not antithetical. Who parodies one’s position so effectively and maliciously that baldfaced lunacy and straight-faced arguments cannot be easily distinguished. A bad troll is simply one taking a shit on a picnic table.



http://www.drewspeak.com/?p=53

i see december as a "good troll". his posts provide content we don't see for the most part, with a particular pov. always consider the source, that's my guiding rule, for what it's worth (this and 3.75 will get you a latte at starbucks ;)


Heyoka
by Laughing Deer
A Lakota way of being, a medicine way. A Heyoka is one who does things backwards or opposite. The idea that Heyoka is a clown comes from the opposite behavior; it is part of the medicine of Heyoka, to remind us we are merely human beings and not to become too serious about ourselves, not to imagine we are more powerful than we really are, reminding us that Spirit holds all the power. In this day there are those among the Lakota who pour Heyoka lodges, which are directed towards the West and full of laughter. If a Heyoka man messes up he has the Thunder Nation to deal with. Spirit chooses who is Heyoka; it is a very difficult path to follow.

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/heyoka.html

in a way, isn't everyone fascinated with the truth movement a holy fool? hoping that enough heat and light will bring a new awareness? isn't this kind of folly by definition? we're all system busters, aren't we? well, isn't it natural that we would attract trolls, just like every other conceivable forum on the internet?

trolls guard the bridge to fascination and understanding. they ask, "how bad do you want it?"

sometimes the simplest stories are the best...

Once upon a time
there were three Billy Goats called Gruff.
In the winter they lived in a barn in the valley.
When spring came they longed to travel
up to the mountains to eat the lush sweet grass.
On their way to the mountains
the three Billy Goats Gruff had to cross a rushing river.
But there was only one bridge across it,
made of wooden planks.
And underneath the bridge
there lived a terrible, ugly, one-eyed troll.
Nobody was allowed to cross the bridge
without the troll's permission
and nobody ever got permission.
He always ate them up.
The smallest Billy Goat Gruff was first to reach the bridge. Trippity-trop, trippity-trop
went his little hooves as he trotted
over the wooden planks.

Ting-tang, ting-tang went the little bell round his neck.
" Who's that trotting over my bridge ? "
Growled the troll from under the bridge.
"Billy Goat Gruff," squeaked the smallest goat
in his little voice.
"I'm only going up to the mountain
to eat the sweet spring grass."
"Oh no, you're not!" said the troll.
"I'm going to eat you for breakfast!"
" Oh no, please Mr. Troll, " pleaded the goat.
" I'm only the smallest Billy Goat Gruff.
I'm much too tiny for you to eat,
and I wouldn't taste very good.
Why don't you wait for my brother,
the second Billy Goat Gruff ?
He's much bigger than me
and would be much more tasty. "
The troll did not want to waste his time on a little goat if there was a bigger and better one to eat.
"All right, you can cross my bridge," he grunted.
"Go and get fatter on the mountain
and I'll eat you on your way back!"
So the smallest Billy Goat Gruff
skipped across to the other side.

The troll did not have to wait long
for the second Billy Goat Gruff.
Clip-clop, clip-clop went his hooves
as he clattered over the wooden planks.

Ding-dong, ding-dong went the bell around his neck.
"Who's that clattering across my bridge?"
screamed the troll,
suddenly appearing from under the planks.
" Billy Goat Gruff, " said the second goat in his middle-sized voice.
"I'm going up to the mountain
to eat the lovely spring grass."
"Oh no you're not!" said the troll.
"I'm going to eat you for breakfast."
" Oh, no, please, " said the second goat.
" I may be bigger than the first Billy Goat Gruff,
but I'm much smaller than my brother,
the third Billy Goat Gruff.
Why don't you wait for him?
He would be much more of a meal than me. "
The troll was getting very hungry,
but he did not want to waste his appetite
on a middle-sized goat
if there was an even bigger one to come.
" All right, you can cross my bridge," he rumbled.
" Go and get fatter on the mountain
and I'll eat you on your way back ! "
So the middle-sized Billy Goat Gruff scampered across to the other side.

The troll did not have to wait long
for the third Billy Goat Gruff.
Tromp-tramp, tromp-tramp went his hooves
as he stomped across the wooden planks.
Bong-bang, bong-bang went the big bell round his neck.
" Who's that stomping over my bridge?" roared the troll, resting his chin on his hands.
" Billy Goat Gruff, " said the third goat in a deep voice.
" I'm going up to the mountain
to eat the lush spring grass. "
" Oh no you're not, " said the troll
as he clambered up on to the bridge.
" I'm going to eat you for breakfast ! "
" That's what you think, "
said the Biggest Billy Goat Gruff.

Then he lowered his horns, galloped along the bridge
and butted the ugly troll.
Up, up, up went the troll into the air...
then down, down, down into the rushing river below.
He disappeared below the swirling waters,
and was gone.
So much for his breakfast,
thought the biggest Billy Goat Gruff.
" Now what about mine ! "
And he walked in triumph over the bridge
to join his two brothers on the mountain pastures.
From then on everyone could cross the bridge whenever they liked -

Thanks to the Three Billy Goats Gruff.

http://www.funpagesforkids.com/billy/

courage, cooperation, integrity. :cool:

[garth]

All this talk about trolls, it seems to have become all consuming.

Looks like LOA in action to me..what you focus on you attract!

Maybe it's time to get back to truth seeking instead of wasting precious time, thought and energy.

lets not forget why we are here ha, everyone has a path, everyones truth is just that, their truth.

RESPECT Aretha Franklin
I Love you guys:D

[chattanova]

Sorry fellas but HE is not that pretty lady in the photo thread

:eek: That's Brutal
:)

[john white]

John why would i need a transcript when its on Google video? BTW yes transcripts are available online, whats your point?

Please only reply if you can refrain from insulting me this time.

LOL on a stick!

Having read through White Hat's responses since my last reply I've rumbled who it is:

emtec again!

What a sad man!

[eternal_spirit]

Sorry fellas but HE is not that pretty lady in the photo thread
............

Bummer typical Internet fake....she looked like my X girl. Good looking but a bad actor.
Wonder how many guys Pm her lol.
Well spotted mods.

Can we get back to normal now. :)
This forum was the best in the beginning, there wasn't many of us but it was a good vibe, honest people posting good info. We had a few trolls maybe that's just the way it is on all Forums.
Let's accept we have different views and beliefs and restore the Forum to it's former glory and beyond. :D

[lookfar]

............

Bummer typical Internet fake....she looked like my X girl. Good looking but a bad actor.
Wonder how many guys Pm her lol.
Well spotted mods.

Hehe Eternal honey, you didn't PM did you???;):p

Can we get back to normal now. :)
This forum was the best in the beginning, there wasn't many of us but it was a good vibe, honest people posting good info. We had a few trolls maybe that's just the way it is on all Forums.
Let's accept we have different views and beliefs and restore the Forum to it's former glory and beyond. :D

Let's hope so eh, it would certainly be nice!!:)

[eternal_spirit]

Hehe Eternal honey, you didn't PM did you???;):p



Let's hope so eh, it would certainly be nice!!:)

LOL I would of if she lived nearer. :rolleyes: too me. I tried those Internet dating sites, how sad lol. I soon realised how many fakes there are on the net. I think the admin on those sites set up fake profiles and pics and then try charge you to send messages etc.

[nickatnoon61]

that photo seemed a bit suspicious...:D

Yes Sensy,:) I was right on it, with my acute perceptions.:confused: IN THE PHOTO THREAD.....I told "her" the book was upside down!:eek:I was gonna call her a Bimbo!!! I guess "Mimbo" (A male bimbo):eek:is closer to the truth.... signed "Chief Inspector Clouseau" "don't try to make a minkey of me!!!!!":D

[lifeofbrian]

re: icke as son o' god.

i agree with lifeofbrian: icke had an awakening experience, which can be hard to "unpack" for others. people bring their own understanding to any piece of communication; the strength of the response is an indication of their own attachment to their world view.

re: december as troll

The Internet Troll As The Trickster Archetype
May 30th, 2007 by Lord Andrew J. Andrews II


“The troll comes to the door of a new forum and sets down his bag of tricks. If he has a grudge against the people inside discussing and debating their passions with a certain degree of amicability, peacability and decorum, he does not show them. He has the cracked, stoic smile of Robin Goodfellow, a Puck with the simple desire to disrupt peace itself. He loves chaos; his bag is full of golden apples he can lob to set the masses squabbling. He has also many masks, smoke bombs, straw men, cloaks, puppets, matches, ethanol, knives, dust, sand, and magicks of the most arcane sort. He knows what he is about - causing trouble. Why? This is the troll’s darkest mystery - if any one knew his secret, he would die. For all trolls, their motive power is this: without contraries, they cannot progress.”

...

Chaos, discord, controversy, argument; the troll often serves as the Erisian element, capable of galvanizing and polarizing unsuspecting groups with his tricks. What’s the point? Maybe it’s fun to push the limits, to agitate people, to vent one’s hostile emotions at unsuspecting, real persons under the mask of anonymity. Maybe it’s an outlet for real cruelty and vehemence, maybe it’s a hobby, anything could be driving the motivated troll. There are troublemakers in all sorts of settings, in all sorts of mythologies - a troll can be equated to Loki or Anansi just as easily as they could a vitriolic bigot. Who knows? All I understand is that the Internet troll exists by the grace of those who give him a voice; without that, he is nothing.

<a response>

A good troll is a holy fool - one who punctures pretensions without predjudice. Who realizes that generating heat and generating light are not antithetical. Who parodies one’s position so effectively and maliciously that baldfaced lunacy and straight-faced arguments cannot be easily distinguished. A bad troll is simply one taking a shit on a picnic table.



http://www.drewspeak.com/?p=53

i see december as a "good troll". his posts provide content we don't see for the most part, with a particular pov. always consider the source, that's my guiding rule, for what it's worth (this and 3.75 will get you a latte at starbucks ;)


Heyoka
by Laughing Deer
A Lakota way of being, a medicine way. A Heyoka is one who does things backwards or opposite. The idea that Heyoka is a clown comes from the opposite behavior; it is part of the medicine of Heyoka, to remind us we are merely human beings and not to become too serious about ourselves, not to imagine we are more powerful than we really are, reminding us that Spirit holds all the power. In this day there are those among the Lakota who pour Heyoka lodges, which are directed towards the West and full of laughter. If a Heyoka man messes up he has the Thunder Nation to deal with. Spirit chooses who is Heyoka; it is a very difficult path to follow.

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/heyoka.html

in a way, isn't everyone fascinated with the truth movement a holy fool? hoping that enough heat and light will bring a new awareness? isn't this kind of folly by definition? we're all system busters, aren't we? well, isn't it natural that we would attract trolls, just like every other conceivable forum on the internet?

trolls guard the bridge to fascination and understanding. they ask, "how bad do you want it?"

sometimes the simplest stories are the best...

Once upon a time
there were three Billy Goats called Gruff.
In the winter they lived in a barn in the valley.
When spring came they longed to travel
up to the mountains to eat the lush sweet grass.
On their way to the mountains
the three Billy Goats Gruff had to cross a rushing river.
But there was only one bridge across it,
made of wooden planks.
And underneath the bridge
there lived a terrible, ugly, one-eyed troll.
Nobody was allowed to cross the bridge
without the troll's permission
and nobody ever got permission.
He always ate them up.
The smallest Billy Goat Gruff was first to reach the bridge. Trippity-trop, trippity-trop
went his little hooves as he trotted
over the wooden planks.

Ting-tang, ting-tang went the little bell round his neck.
" Who's that trotting over my bridge ? "
Growled the troll from under the bridge.
"Billy Goat Gruff," squeaked the smallest goat
in his little voice.
"I'm only going up to the mountain
to eat the sweet spring grass."
"Oh no, you're not!" said the troll.
"I'm going to eat you for breakfast!"
" Oh no, please Mr. Troll, " pleaded the goat.
" I'm only the smallest Billy Goat Gruff.
I'm much too tiny for you to eat,
and I wouldn't taste very good.
Why don't you wait for my brother,
the second Billy Goat Gruff ?
He's much bigger than me
and would be much more tasty. "
The troll did not want to waste his time on a little goat if there was a bigger and better one to eat.
"All right, you can cross my bridge," he grunted.
"Go and get fatter on the mountain
and I'll eat you on your way back!"
So the smallest Billy Goat Gruff
skipped across to the other side.

The troll did not have to wait long
for the second Billy Goat Gruff.
Clip-clop, clip-clop went his hooves
as he clattered over the wooden planks.

Ding-dong, ding-dong went the bell around his neck.
"Who's that clattering across my bridge?"
screamed the troll,
suddenly appearing from under the planks.
" Billy Goat Gruff, " said the second goat in his middle-sized voice.
"I'm going up to the mountain
to eat the lovely spring grass."
"Oh no you're not!" said the troll.
"I'm going to eat you for breakfast."
" Oh, no, please, " said the second goat.
" I may be bigger than the first Billy Goat Gruff,
but I'm much smaller than my brother,
the third Billy Goat Gruff.
Why don't you wait for him?
He would be much more of a meal than me. "
The troll was getting very hungry,
but he did not want to waste his appetite
on a middle-sized goat
if there was an even bigger one to come.
" All right, you can cross my bridge," he rumbled.
" Go and get fatter on the mountain
and I'll eat you on your way back ! "
So the middle-sized Billy Goat Gruff scampered across to the other side.

The troll did not have to wait long
for the third Billy Goat Gruff.
Tromp-tramp, tromp-tramp went his hooves
as he stomped across the wooden planks.
Bong-bang, bong-bang went the big bell round his neck.
" Who's that stomping over my bridge?" roared the troll, resting his chin on his hands.
" Billy Goat Gruff, " said the third goat in a deep voice.
" I'm going up to the mountain
to eat the lush spring grass. "
" Oh no you're not, " said the troll
as he clambered up on to the bridge.
" I'm going to eat you for breakfast ! "
" That's what you think, "
said the Biggest Billy Goat Gruff.

Then he lowered his horns, galloped along the bridge
and butted the ugly troll.
Up, up, up went the troll into the air...
then down, down, down into the rushing river below.
He disappeared below the swirling waters,
and was gone.
So much for his breakfast,
thought the biggest Billy Goat Gruff.
" Now what about mine ! "
And he walked in triumph over the bridge
to join his two brothers on the mountain pastures.
From then on everyone could cross the bridge whenever they liked -

Thanks to the Three Billy Goats Gruff.

http://www.funpagesforkids.com/billy/

courage, cooperation, integrity. :cool:

Hey man, thanks.

And I agree with you. You are one of the posters I appreciate a lot around here. Very wise.

Good initiative with the "owning-it-attitude" thread in one of the other forums. Recognition and forgiveness is powerful stuff. Personally I go more for the genuine feelings than the specific words but whatever works, eh.

Stay well tru3.

[dondaz]

White hat is a previously banned forum abuser returned under another name. The moderators have merely re-banned him.

:confused::confused::confused:

Having read through White Hat's responses since my last reply I've rumbled who it is:

emtec again!

Good one John;) You've well exposed emtec/white hat/troll eh!:D

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/dazp5/Partytime.gif

[dondaz]

After reading a lot of posts its nice to put faces to the names. In for a penny in for a pound as they say so here goes.


http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/241/genoh1.jpg


This means all you guys who answered whitehat were blagged good and proper:D

Hubba hubba.

Are you sure thats you?. I mean if i was a woman then i would call my occupation in my profile as a technical draftsperson. ;)

Nice to meet you anyway white hat.
Hope your enjoying your time here.

Tickles, on the ball mate, but you must keep following your intuition.:)

It could happen to anyone. I find it funny you were blagged.

No doubt it may happen to me:eek:

[tristesseglobale]

Hello everyone, I'm new here. I think that freedom of expression should always be allowed. People should only be banned in the most extreme circumstances, such as if they spam the forums, for example. There is an 'ignore' function as has been mentioned! I noticed that one of the members has been banned already here, and the member who raised the question 'are there two David Ickes?' had his/her thread moved, and had some negative comments made about his/her intent by a webmaster. However controversial someone is they should be allowed to post, especially in somewhere like here. If people are banned or warned or defamed or harassed by the people who have authority in these forums, I don't want to be a member.

[soglad]

Yes, we don't believe in censorship either. If people are out of line, we PM them and ask them to tone it down. If it continues then to the rant room you go! People rarely ever get banned here.

Free speech is paramount

[john white]

Hello everyone, I'm new here. I think that freedom of expression should always be allowed. People should only be banned in the most extreme circumstances, such as if they spam the forums, for example. There is an 'ignore' function as has been mentioned! I noticed that one of the members has been banned already here, and the member who raised the question 'are there two David Ickes?' had his/her thread moved, and had some negative comments made about his/her intent by a webmaster. However controversial someone is they should be allowed to post, especially in somewhere like here. If people are banned or warned or defamed or harassed by the people who have authority in these forums, I don't want to be a member.

Even if they are a bunch of lying manipulative decieftful racist hatemongering obsessive compulsive ego freaks?

The kind of company you like to relax and express yourself in?

(PS Dondaz, side bet of a fiver....)

[soglad]

Even if they are a bunch of lying manipulative decieftful racist hatemongering obsessive compulsive ego freaks?

The kind of company you like to relax and express yourself in?

(PS Dondaz, side bet of a fiver....)

LOL

[jinjo5]

Trolls?
Disrupting...
What exactly?
The flow of information?
Or the flow of the kind of information you want to see?

Genuine members?
Someone with a different viewpoint isn't genuine?
I ask again:
Does genuinity have to equal conformity?
Some of these 'genuine' members you speak of appear to be very, very far from 'level headed'.

If people want to respond to the 'trolls'
What business is it of yours?
You perceive it to be a waste of energy...
But it's their energy to waste as they see fit.

You believe forum members should decide who gets banned?
lol
A proper little 'democracy' eh?
We all know what that means, don't we?

I have seen only one or two of what I would call 'trolls on this forum.
That is, people who have obviously joined just to post silly comments.

The section highlighted in the quote above is very telling.
And you are supposed to be a 'freedom fighter'?
Remind me to not rely on you to defend my freedoms
Should push ever come to shove.

This is getting ridiculous now.
How about a little bit of live and let live eh?

You talk about what lurkers can see.
What about this thread?
Can't you see how ridiculously hypocritical it is to post such tripe on a freedom fighters/truthseekers forum?

I am beginning to think that it is very possible that most people here have got no idea what freedom means, or truth for that matter.

Scary.
Brilliantly put Phoebe,the smugness of some people on this site is staggering.
some people think this site is their property and like i say the smugness can be puke-inducing.:mad:

[tristesseglobale]

Even if they are a bunch of lying manipulative decieftful racist hatemongering obsessive compulsive ego freaks?

The kind of company you like to relax and express yourself in?

(PS Dondaz, side bet of a fiver....)
Yes, freedom of expression is freedom of expression.

[tristesseglobale]

Yes, we don't believe in censorship either. If people are out of line, we PM them and ask them to tone it down. If it continues then to the rant room you go! People rarely ever get banned here.

Free speech is paramount

Tone it down? People should be allowed to express themselves, not forced to either 'tone it down' (self-censor) or be banned. What is 'out of line?' I would like to be able to say ~whatever~ I want, except when it becomes criminal, such as defamation.

[soglad]

Tone it down? People should be allowed to express themselves, not forced to either 'tone it down' (self-censor) or be banned. What is 'out of line?' I would like to be able to say ~whatever~ I want, except when it becomes criminal, such as defamation.

No, I mean in cases where someone is actually verbally assaulting someone (it has happened) we'll ask them to tone it down. Not tone it down for being aggressive. Personal assault is wrong no matter what place it is.

[tristesseglobale]

I have been banned before from a depression forum for being 'out of line;' I raised the fact that SSRI antidepressants can cause tardive dyskinesia. I had these posts deleted, and warned that they don't tolerate 'med bashing.' I was not 'med bashing,' merely offering a different point of view to the pro-SSRI agenda of that site - out of concern for my fellow humans. For that, they banned me.

I hope that if I go against the grain here, by asking honest questions if I feel that I should, out of concern for everyone here, I wont be warned, threatened, censored or banned, by people who let the little authority that they have go to their heads.

[soglad]

I have been banned before from a depression forum for being 'out of line;' I raised the fact that SSRI antidepressants can cause tardive dyskinesia. I had these posts deleted, and warned that they don't tolerate 'med bashing.' I was not 'med bashing,' merely offering a different point of view to the pro-SSRI agenda of that site - out of concern for my fellow humans. For that, they banned me.

I hope that if I go against the grain here, by asking honest questions if I feel that I should, out of concern for everyone here, I wont be warned, threatened, censored or banned, by people who let the little authority that they have go to their heads.

No! You are completely within your right to talk about ANYTHING here! As long as you don't abuse someone personally or turn the thread into a big abuse-fest!

Enjoy! :D

[john white]

Yes, freedom of expression is freedom of expression.

And site code of conduct is site code of conduct, and theres this "I agree" box you tick when you sign up....

Have you checked out ********************? Get tha pron on!

[21_12_2012]

Brilliantly put Phoebe,the smugness of some people on this site is staggering.
some people think this site is their property and like i say the smugness can be puke-inducing.:mad:

I have already apologised for this thread, but I will apologise again for the benefit of people who didn't see it.

Sorry everybody... I started this thread when i was having a bad day, and I wasn't in a good mood.

In future i will not post if i feel bad.

[lumukanda]

it's pretty simple really, don't be an asshole, ie someone just here to stir up shit, don't spam the boards, don't bait people, that kind of thing, barring that, i don't foresee any problems.
i for one agree that people should be allowed to post whatever views they want, but by the same token, they should allow for people to disagree with them too, as they are exercising their freedom of speech too, the mods here are people too, with opinions, i am wholly against abusing the 'power' we may have here, but i going to say my say, basically in my view it boils down to respect for other people, some have it, some don't, and having it does not equate with 'toting the line' imo, just plain old respect, i'm a big fan of the saying, you allow yourself to be offended, and plus, you can just skim over the bits you don't want to read, i prefer to read everything personally, gives a fuller picture.

[tristesseglobale]

And site code of conduct is site code of conduct, and theres this "I agree" box you tick when you sign up....

Have you checked out ********************? Get tha pron on!

I don't remember agreeing to any code of conduct.

[tristesseglobale]

it's pretty simple really, don't be an asshole, ie someone just here to stir up shit, don't spam the boards, don't bait people, that kind of thing, barring that, i don't foresee any problems.
i for one agree that people should be allowed to post whatever views they want, but by the same token, they should allow for people to disagree with them too, as they are exercising their freedom of speech too, the mods here are people too, with opinions, i am wholly against abusing the 'power' we may have here, but i going to say my say, basically in my view it boils down to respect for other people, some have it, some don't, and having it does not equate with 'toting the line' imo, just plain old respect, i'm a big fan of the saying, you allow yourself to be offended, and plus, you can just skim over the bits you don't want to read, i prefer to read everything personally, gives a fuller picture.
Most of what you've said is down to opinion: I might not be 'baiting' people, but you might think I am so ban be, for example. I am just a little disappointed by some of the member banning and sidelining I've seen here.

[edenfield]

hello everyone:)

'trolls'?
what are trolls?
if you mean folk that fire you up then all the better to know and better yourselves.:p

long live the trolls!

[tristesseglobale]

hello everyone:)

'trolls'?
what are trolls?
if you mean folk that fire you up then all the better to know and better yourselves.:p

long live the trolls!
People the moderators and admins. and 'senior' members decide that they don't like and want to persecute are derided by them as 'trolls.'

[soglad]

People the moderators and admins. and 'senior' members decide that they don't like and want to persecute are derided by them as 'trolls.'

Nope, people who abuse people who they never even met.

That's trolling, everything else is selective impressions. I've nothing against trolls, it's just some of the personal abuse they spew out.

[tristesseglobale]

Nope, people who abuse people who they never even met.

That's trolling, everything else is selective impressions. I've nothing against trolls, it's just some of the personal abuse they spew out.
People who abuse people are abusers not trolls.

[soglad]

People who abuse people are abusers not trolls.

That's debatable, usually the people who rant and rave and spam are the ones abusing too.

[unique one]

Hello everyone, I'm new here. I think that freedom of expression should always be allowed. People should only be banned in the most extreme circumstances, such as if they spam the forums, for example. There is an 'ignore' function as has been mentioned! I noticed that one of the members has been banned already here, and the member who raised the question 'are there two David Ickes?' had his/her thread moved, and had some negative comments made about his/her intent by a webmaster. However controversial someone is they should be allowed to post, especially in somewhere like here. If people are banned or warned or defamed or harassed by the people who have authority in these forums, I don't want to be a member.
Please don't leave!
I, too, am new! I do,however, know to whom you are referring "two David Ickes" . Festival Spirit was a great poster, sadly forced out. Check out his forums-festivalspirit- a great guy!

[edenfield]

Nope, people who abuse people who they never even met.

That's trolling, everything else is selective impressions. I've nothing against trolls, it's just some of the personal abuse they spew out.

you mean they abuse your character/personality/ or physique?

[soglad]

you mean they abuse your character/personality/ or physique?

Not me, but there has been just unnecessary verbal abuse at people for little or no reason, which in any social setting is not on.

[edenfield]

People the moderators and admins. and 'senior' members decide that they don't like and want to persecute are derided by them as 'trolls.'

ooooh fascists then?
unfortunately control is a hard cookie to crumble
to be an efficient leader is to allow them (trollies)to do what they will, and teach the others (also potential trollies :p)the art of self reflection, acceptance and self observation;)
great vitues comes this way

[lumukanda]

People who abuse people are abusers not trolls.

that is debatable, but troll or not, i don't think we want that kind of person here, enough of that out in the real world, ultimately we just want a place where people can share information and ideas without getting the shit we get out in the world at large, granted some people should get thicker skin, but some people arrive at any given forum just to cause shit, sometimes to a lesser or a greater degree, but if that person is causing shit to the point that other members are unable to post and share, well, then one has to wonder if having that person around is worthwhile, but under no circumstances should a person be banned for having a different opinion, often one finds that someone comes on the icke forum and launches into an anti-icke tirade and then gets upset when other people exercise their freedom of speech and tell him off, one could argue as to whether that is right or wrong, but if one person has the right to say what he wants, all the other members should be free to as well. freedom of speech swings both ways.

[edenfield]

Not me, but there has been just unnecessary verbal abuse at people for little or no reason, which in any social setting is not on.
and do they give as good as they get?

[soglad]

and do they give as good as they get?

Nope, one way traffic mate....one way traffic :(

[edenfield]

Please don't leave!
I, too, am new! I do,however, know to whom you are referring "two David Ickes" . Festival Spirit was a great poster, sadly forced out. Check out his forums-festivalspirit- a great guy!

'trolls' usually are interesting posters UO, they are very challenging and provide a chance to learn.
ps, love your mutley, youve just this minutes changed it or am i going crazy?

[edenfield]

Nope, one way traffic mate....one way traffic :(

well whose fault is that? if they havent the ability to challenge them then they would do better to express how they feel, not seek protection.

[soglad]

well whose fault is that? if they havent the ability to challenge them then they would do better to express how they feel, not seek protection.

They don't seek protection, they just ignore. But there are people who just seem to make it their goal to disrupt the forums as much as possible and have no real thing to bring to the table other than their horrible attitude. We're all looking to learn about ourselves and other people on this forums and we also look for daily inspiration which we get by the bucket load. What use is someone who verbally abuses someone for no reason going to do?

This is the David Icke forums. We talk about David Icke.

[edenfield]

They don't seek protection, they just ignore. But there are people who just seem to make it their goal to disrupt the forums as much as possible and have no real thing to bring to the table other than their horrible attitude. We're all looking to learn about ourselves and other people on this forums and we also look for daily inspiration which we get by the bucket load. What use is someone who verbally abuses someone for no reason going to do?

This is the David Icke forums. We talk about David Icke.

do you personally ban soglad?

[soglad]

do you personally ban soglad?

Nope, and I hopefully will never do such a thing.

I use other forums where people get BANNED from forums from merely arguing with someone. I think people take for granted the relaxed modding on this site. :)

[tristesseglobale]

The person who raised the valid question whether there are two David Icke's had his thread moved to the 'loonie bin' forum (the rant room,) (s)he we effectively sidelined for daring to question whether David Icke was 'replaced.' I just find that disappointing.

When I come to a forum I have no 'agenda' to harass other members, seek attention, I just want to be free to express myself. I don't feel welcome here, unfortunately. Could you give me the specific reason(s) why you banned 'Festival Spirit?' Edit: and why you banned 'winniewillcocks,' when I say 'you' I am asking whoever decided to ban.

[tristesseglobale]

Nope, and I hopefully will never do such a thing.

I use other forums where people get BANNED from forums from merely arguing with someone. I think people take for granted the relaxed modding on this site. :)

Oh lucky us, you don't ban people for arguing. :D I think that even here people who have the power to ban have let it go to their heads.

[soglad]

The person who raised the valid question whether there are two David Icke's had his thread moved to the 'loonie bin' forum (the rant room,) (s)he we effectively sidelined for daring to question whether David Icke was 'replaced.' I just find that disappointing.

When I come to a forum I have no 'agenda' to harass other members, seek attention, I just want to be free to express myself. I don't feel welcome here, unfortunately. Could you give me the specific reason(s) why you banned 'Festival Spirit?' Edit: and why you banned 'winniewillcocks,' when I say 'you' I am asking whoever decided to ban.

I've only become a mod today, so I'm not sure of the history. I'm sure the other mods will tell you.

[edenfield]

I've only become a mod today, so I'm not sure of the history. I'm sure the other mods will tell you.

haha, well fancy that, and heres me hassling a fresh mod:p
well i wish you well in your new job!

and do you have a moderator who moderates you?

[pollock]

haha, well fancy that, and heres me hassling a fresh mod:p
well i wish you well in your new job!

and do you have a moderator who moderates you?

He he, like a mod mod?

F

[soglad]

haha, well fancy that, and heres me hassling a fresh mod:p
well i wish you well in your new job!

and do you have a moderator who moderates you?

Yeah sure, talk to Limelady (Forum Advisor), she's very nice and understanding. :)

[edenfield]

Yeah sure, talk to Limelady (Forum Advisor), she's very nice and understanding. :)

forum adviser limelady?
thats nice and green.
well by the sounds of it you will have a moderatingly fine time.
nice speaking with you:)
peace all.

[limelady]

Hello all :D

Some of you may not already know this, but in fact the moderators have already confessed they are nasty, controlling fascist freemasons. In fact HERE (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4981) is the thread where we come out of the cupboard and confess our sins.

Let it be known that we truly are rotters! :D

Some of you may not know that moderator decisions are not up for discussion on the forum. There are a number of reasons for this, not least of which is member privacy. However, if members have a question regarding moderation, they are quite free to PM a moderator.

But members of this forum are only banned when they continue to flout the forum guidelines, or treat other members in a threatening manner either on the fourm or behind the scenes. We also have no hesitation in banning previously banned members who resign under a new ID.

Threads are moved to the rant room for a number of reasons. Topics like whether there are two David Ickes are generally based on speculation,and therefore have little credibility to begin with. Such threads can turn into member rants rather quickly, and they can also become offensive quite quickly, and if people think David Icke's own moderation team are going to stand round and watch while those of dubious intent/motivation deliberately trash David without providing evidence for their claims, then they surely are on the WRONG forum.

Freedom of speech is one thing, but moderators being accused of fascism because they won't roll over and play dead in order for nastiness to prevail on the David Icke forum is quite another. As has already been mentioned, respect for others, followed closely by common sense is all that's required of any member of this forum. If people can't work within that reasonable framework, then naturally they will be disappointed in the response they get from the moderation team.

Its quite simple really. :D

[unique one]

Some people are more troll like than others and obviously need banning e.g.
those who are personally abusive and needlessly disruptive.This is done well by
limelady and all the others who are co-moderators ;leaving the rest of us to
get on with enjoying this wonderful forum. I thank our mods who protect us so i
remain free to use this, our forum, as we please in an adult manner,as is fitting
in a free place for learning and refreshment in a non-abusive way, creating this
our superior intellects ,when , compared to the afore mentioned ones.

[tristesseglobale]

I'm a new member, I have no intention of 'trashing' David Icke. I have financially supported him! So.... you keep it SECRET why you ban people, this just gets worse! :confused: I am allowed to question ANYTHING though, as is everyone. A lot of what is said here in EVERY room is based on speculation, you seem to be sidelining members for daring to ask 'the wrong' questions. And you ban people without giving a public reason. So I could 'disappear' tomorrow without anyone knowing why. I was hoping for better here.

[limelady]

Are you REALLY a new member tristesseglobale? ;)

You've had your explanation regarding moderation already, however to reply to your comments, moderators don't deliberately keep secrets in the manner in which you are implying (in a 'troll-like' manner too I must add), but we do respect member privacy.

Now any further questions you might have regarding moderation can be sent to myself, Sean or another moderator.

[sensimillia]

Are you REALLY a new member tristesseglobale?

my thought exactly...;)

[tinmenace]

What?? More Shape-Shifters? (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=81931&postcount=108)

[astraltraveller]

im not new here but im new to posting . ive not yet had one bad experience with my postings and ive made a lot already because ive researched for a few years now after i awoke . ive not had any troll trouble touch wood and people have been nice to me so far so ive not realy had any experience with trolls but i would just like to chuck in my 2 pence . it just seems wierd that all of a sudden david icke and david shayler and alex jones have suddenly been under a bit of attack , david shayler for obvious reasons though but by him saying he is messiah i can see it comming were some poxy rushed documentary is rushed out on tv and some stupid shrink says that shayler and all conspiracy followers and david ick followers are all delusional and some people in the world now and then pop up saying they are the messiah wich is a classic mental illness and these conspiracy nutts are all loners looking for attention so just ignore them . david was misquoted as we all know but the general public en mass whont and this would discourage more from looking into things . is this whole thread that has been started an observation that we are being attacked from the inside all of a sudden to coincide with the other attacks to create confusion and waist our time arguing and stop us getting on with researching and discusing things in other threads , i dont know but the timing seems bloody perfect and we are having our energies sapped away and it looks like we are dogs chasing our tails in an argument that could go on forever . im not saying that 20_2012 started this thread to cause all this , i think he just noticed that all of a sudden thier are more attacks and became concerned . im not for banning anyone but i do feel the more we get rubish and attacks posted here its going to lower the quality and quantity of the threads as they will become diluted and loose thier strength . i think this was bound to happen sooner or latter as it happens all over the net . i think the powers that be are real worried now and are stooping very low in desperate attempts to keep integrity .

the mayans say the year 2007 is the year the masks come down and we all know what that means , it will cause a lot of arguing and attempts to confuse and and wear the oposition down . its the final throws of a power struggle in the war on conciousness and they know thier most powerfull oposers are here so it wouldnt be suprising if they realy are in here now trying to throw spanners in the works .

im not the sharpest tool in the box and am probably wrong but i just thought i better contribute thoughts that might be worth thinking about , then maybe not i dunno . sorry if ive offended anyone , i havnt meant to , i tried to say something so all can be happy .

if thier realy were two david ickes then one would hold the lightbulb while the other is trying to turn the world around .

meep meep

[unique one]

I'm a new member, I have no intention of 'trashing' David Icke. I have financially supported him! So.... you keep it SECRET why you ban people, this just gets worse! :confused: I am allowed to question ANYTHING though, as is everyone. A lot of what is said here in EVERY room is based on speculation, you seem to be sidelining members for daring to ask 'the wrong' questions. And you ban people without giving a public reason. So I could 'disappear' tomorrow without anyone knowing why. I was hoping for better here.

Don't let the issue with forums take over your life,pal.You have probably decided that you have had it with forums in the past and then,later, decided to give it another go,which, later had an unsatisfactory outcome for whatever reason.
As apes,we often use dissociative behavior patterns- chimps hit inanimate objects-instead of living chimps. Perhaps, after a few beers at night, used to relax and unwind from the difficulties of "a day in the life", some of which can be truly awesome, for some,we "have ago " with some folks we are never going to meet,over, some perceived insult.
Let it go,man. Come back to posting some light hearted chatter about things
such as "a man came into my life today".He might be a jock or someone along those lines. Perhaps you know interesting things about how one might acquire electricity from divers places.
Go For It ,Man.
Give Us JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D :D

[tristesseglobale]

Of course I'm really a new member, check my IP.

[limelady]

Of course I'm really a new member, check my IP.

We rarely bother relying on IPs these days....they're a very ineffective way of checking new member status.

But you would know that surely, right? :D

[seanx]

tristesseglobale

A new member?

I wonder who this could be????

You really do think people are dim here.

[i_am]

A new member?

I wonder who this could be????

You really do think people are dim here.



Well, spoil their party. DON'T RESPOND! :)

[tristesseglobale]

Actually I really am a genuine new member, and I love this new site and I'm a big fan of David Icke. I only wanted to make the point that I don't like any form of censorship or oppression. The thread about two David Ickes raises a valid question. I don't like to see people getting banned from forums. I will never harass anyone or behave 'badly,' I believe in karma and know that what I do I do to myself. If anyone thinks I'm an old troll, you're wrong. Do you get the point I'm making? I think that people who post things such as the two David Ickes thread should be debated and argued with, not sidelined or banned. Remember, a few years ago saying that George Bush is a reptilian might have been treated much the same way as the two Davids theory in another conspiracy forum. I'm just saying to you moderators and admins., let this be a free forum where people like me feel welcome.

[tristesseglobale]

What?

Edit: the post I'm replying to has disappeared?!

[limelady]

Actually I really am a genuine new member, and I love this new site and I'm a big fan of David Icke. I only wanted to make the point that I don't like any form of censorship or oppression. The thread about two David Ickes raises a valid question. I don't like to see people getting banned from forums. I will never harass anyone or behave 'badly,' I believe in karma and know that what I do I do to myself. If anyone thinks I'm an old troll, you're wrong. Do you get the point I'm making? I think that people who post things such as the two David Ickes thread should be debated and argued with, not sidelined or banned. Remember, a few years ago saying that George Bush is a reptilian might have been treated much the same way as the two Davids theory in another conspiracy forum. I'm just saying to you moderators and admins., let this be a free forum where people like me feel welcome.

All new people are welcome, in fact VERY welcome, and will stay welcome providing their behaviour remains within the boundaries of the forum guidelines. As you can appreciate, the administrators cannot possibly change the forum guidelines every time a new member objects to some particular aspect of them, besides which, over the past months we have found the guidelines work very well for MOST of the posters MOST of the time. This is the best any conspiracy-type forum can ever really hope to achieve because it quite impossible to please EVERYBODY all of the time.

But thanks for your comments. :)

[irak]

it's funny really this irony, if you read the first post of this topic and then skip to the few las ones, you see that somehow the original idea to "bann trolls and end pointless discussions" has ended in a "pointless discussion", about the nature of the forum :) ..personally i think there are no pointless discussions, as long as we learn from them, and remain calm:)

.."forum" (latin word for town square) is just a place where everybody yells, what you hear you can't influence, you can just take it as right or wrong, and be aware of what you are saying:) ..the pen is mightier than a sword ;)

[irak]

I'm a new member, I have no intention of 'trashing' David Icke. I have financially supported him! So.... you keep it SECRET why you ban people, this just gets worse! :confused: I am allowed to question ANYTHING though, as is everyone. A lot of what is said here in EVERY room is based on speculation, you seem to be sidelining members for daring to ask 'the wrong' questions. And you ban people without giving a public reason. So I could 'disappear' tomorrow without anyone knowing why. I was hoping for better here.


..and soglad congratulations on mod title mate :)


..tristesseglobale, edenfield
i have a suggestion for you, why dont you try reading the posts on the forum for a change rather than arguing for the favors of trolls? i mean you're looking for a moderator conspiracy, on a conspiracy web, lol! ..and you mentioned a mods that mod the mod :) :) ..if you only bothered to read a few posts from soglad and limelady on any other topics you wold see that they are open minded and calm friendly people seeking information and exchange of ideas and some laugh occasionally, just like all off us..

[soglad]

..and soglad congratulations on mod title mate :)


..tristesseglobale, edenfield
i have a suggestion for you, why dont you try reading the posts on the forum for a change rather than arguing for the favors of trolls? i mean you're looking for a moderator conspiracy, on a conspiracy web, lol! ..and you mentioned a mods that mod the mod :) :) ..if you only bothered to read a few posts from soglad and limelady on any other topics you wold see that they are open minded and calm friendly people seeking information and exchange of ideas and some laugh occasionally, just like all off us..

Yes, if you want to go deeper into it, you're here to mod ME. We're all learning!

Love y'all!

[mentalogirl]

Actually I really am a genuine new member, and I love this new site and I'm a big fan of David Icke. I only wanted to make the point that I don't like any form of censorship or oppression. The thread about two David Ickes raises a valid question. I don't like to see people getting banned from forums. I will never harass anyone or behave 'badly,' I believe in karma and know that what I do I do to myself. If anyone thinks I'm an old troll, you're wrong. Do you get the point I'm making? I think that people who post things such as the two David Ickes thread should be debated and argued with, not sidelined or banned. Remember, a few years ago saying that George Bush is a reptilian might have been treated much the same way as the two Davids theory in another conspiracy forum. I'm just saying to you moderators and admins., let this be a free forum where people like me feel welcome.

If you are a new member,how come you know so much about who was banned when and for what?
Just curious:D

I don't consider myself a follower or defender of David Icke but I don't think that to be one is a technical requirement for participating.I really like the exchange of information and excellent links posted here.
As I understand,you can raise any issues you want,as long as you do it with respect and clarity.
What I have noticed,however,is that sometimes there'll be fingers pointing at someone who is being slightly obtuse but not really 'trolly'.Then accusations fly of previous 'troll' incarnations on this forum.
So the conspiracy never ends,it can become a bit obsessive...:(

[tristesseglobale]

If you are a new member,how come you know so much about who was banned when and for what?
Just curious:D

I don't consider myself a follower or defender of David Icke but I don't think that to be one is a technical requirement for participating.I really like the exchange of information and excellent links posted here.
As I understand,you can raise any issues you want,as long as you do it with respect and clarity.
What I have noticed,however,is that sometimes there'll be fingers pointing at someone who is being slightly obtuse but not really 'trolly'.Then accusations fly of previous 'troll' incarnations on this forum.
So the conspiracy never ends,it can become a bit obsessive...:(

I don't know what people were banned for, that's why I asked why!

Yeah, there seems to be a McCarthyite witch-hunt going on, or I should say 'troll-hunt,' or 'shapeshifter-hunt.' The 'hunters' are just as bad as the 'trolls,' imho.

[tinmenace]

New TROLL species discovered....Dick-TROLLS (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8223)

[seanx]

tinmenace.

Classic stuff

[tinmenace]

Spanks sweetie ;)

[mada88]

I hate it when people go on about a "bad" attitude. Its only bad because someone who doesn't like your views says so. Fuck off and you must have such a good attitude.
Oh yes lets share in-formation and other orders. Most people on this forum aren't open minded though so your talking shite. You want to read some of the posts where people post there own theories.

[tinmenace]

Who are you talking to?

[mada88]

Who are you talking to?

I'm not talking I'm writing and I'm not intending it to be read by a certain person. I wasn't talking to you anyway mutt.

[limelady]

mad88 Please can you stop using insulting names like "mutt" when
referring to other posters.

There is no need for it.

Thankyou
LL

[mada88]

mad88 Please can you stop using insulting names like "mutt" when
referring to other posters.

There is no need for it.

Thankyou
LL

I said Mutt because tinmenace's picture is of a dog. I didn't intend it to be an insult.

[tinmenace]

I told you before Mada, it's INFINITE CUTENESS!

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/avatars/dog_tongue1.jpg

[lifeofbrian]

Dogs don't care about breeds or racism.


Only uptight narrowminded humans do.

Let go of that insane idea.

Life is not colour or sound or sight or smell.

Life is experience.

[mada88]

After all God is a Dog maybe theres something in that? :D

[tinmenace]

After all God is a Dog maybe theres something in that? :D

Shh! Don't let my cat hear you say that!

:eek: