Witches and reptilians.

[rhydra]

Ok tongue in cheek slightly here but i have a few observations so no huge offence meant.

Have reptilians taken over from witches? Years ago (in some simple parts of the world, now) religious zealots went on the lookout for failed crops, barren cattle, diseases, "changelings" and so on.

Of course these people were simple, they explained the workings of the witches like weather changing events, floods, diseases and other assorted "evildoings" as magic.

Of course we now have reptilians and their science, a science that can't be explained or the motives fathomed out. But those people, way back in history probably had a deep desire to be fearful of the witches for they were said to be everywhere and justified their faith not only to those around them but most importantly, to themselves.

Almost everything was blamed on witches, from a stream drying up to the sudden death of a king.

Funny thing is that almost everything is now blamed on reptiles and other beings, perhaps it is more to do with the need to be against something, to reject and call evil, associate anything negative, however flimsy, to the doings of witches, I mean reptilians.;)

[marpat]

I would say you are right. Notice how the reptilian thing also mirrors the reptilians in the 80's series V. I have just recently watched it all again and it is striking that many of the things people calim about reptilians seems to be acted out on the stories. Perhaps people have subconsciously used the imagery from that TV series to explain something else.

[lostinstrangeworld]

In my opinion, lower astral entities can take on any form they want...reptilian may be just one of them.

[gilly]

That's an interesting question Rhydra.

To my mind though, it was tptb themselves who sought out and destroyed (mainly) women who they believed may have some esoteric knowledge, because they wanted that to be the domain only of the elite themselves. It had the purpose of scaring others away from seeking such knowledge, as well as stamping out anyone who could harness the powers (I believe) they practice themselves. Therefore, they weren't concerned if innocents were squished, along with genuine practitioners - all the better to stamp out any curious researchers.

With the lizard theories though, it's the common people who are exploring possible reasons to explain the inhumane actions and intentions of the elite.

It's a subject that I intend to study more of. I feel that those who dismiss the reptilian thing, purely because it seems too far fetched, may be allowing their incredulity to prevent them being subjective.

[lostinstrangeworld]

That's an interesting question Rhydra.

To my mind though, it was tptb themselves who sought out and destroyed (mainly) women who they believed may have some esoteric knowledge, because they wanted that to be the domain only of the elite themselves. It had the purpose of scaring others away from seeking such knowledge, as well as stamping out anyone who could harness the powers (I believe) they practice themselves. Therefore, they weren't concerned if innocents were squished, along with genuine practitioners - all the better to stamp out any curious researchers.

With the lizard theories though, it's the common people who are exploring possible reasons to explain the inhumane actions and intentions of the elite.

It's a subject that I intend to study more of. I feel that those who dismiss the reptilian thing, purely because it seems too far fetched, may be allowing their incredulity to prevent them being subjective.

Yes, good post.

[quetzalcoatl]

Ok tongue in cheek slightly here but i have a few observations so no huge offence meant.

Have reptilians taken over from witches? Years ago (in some simple parts of the world, now) religious zealots went on the lookout for failed crops, barren cattle, diseases, "changelings" and so on.

Of course these people were simple, they explained the workings of the witches like weather changing events, floods, diseases and other assorted "evildoings" as magic.

Of course we now have reptilians and their science, a science that can't be explained or the motives fathomed out. But those people, way back in history probably had a deep desire to be fearful of the witches for they were said to be everywhere and justified their faith not only to those around them but most importantly, to themselves.

Almost everything was blamed on witches, from a stream drying up to the sudden death of a king.

Funny thing is that almost everything is now blamed on reptiles and other beings, perhaps it is more to do with the need to be against something, to reject and call evil, associate anything negative, however flimsy, to the doings of witches, I mean reptilians.;)

Aye, the parallels are un-canny, if nothing more.. :confused: I juz don't know anymore..

Agree, tis always a popular 'couping mechanism'.. blame everything on a force beyond our control.. :rolleyes:

[quetzalcoatl]

In my opinion, lower astral entities can take on any form they want...reptilian may be just one of them.

Yeah! das a good un! 'lower astral' :rolleyes: - das man-'kind' my friend.. we are rock-bottom! :p

[jp13]

Brilliant original post Rhydra, it makes a lot of sense.
The only differences I can see, is that from what I am told happened, a lot of people were accused of Witchcraft by their neighbours who had a grudge with them.
The difference I see now is that the 'ordinary' people or conspiracy theorists are blaming the people at the top, TPTB etc, and by the very nature of how our society is layered, it is impossible to get TPTB to be held to account for their actions against the general populace.
I'm getting a bit lost here, as it's so paradoxical. I think I may have to draw a diagram that will show the links for my own sanity, or perhaps someone else will be able to articulate what it is I'm trying to explain.
I have to go out now, and hopefully return with a fresh imagination...

[metacomet]

I think you are making a misguided effort to compare reptilian discussion with witch hunting etc.

I think this is the same effort made by a member in the past, who waltzed into every reptilian thread and called people 'xenophobes' and hateful etc. for simply discussing reptilians.

Just because we don't have sexual fetishes for reptilians are harbor megalomaniac ideas about being reptilian princes etc. doesn't mean are 'out to get' reptilians.

But as I already said in countless other threads: it is my right to hate reptilians if I want to. I don't tend to waste time hating things I've never encountered, but I can still hate the idea of them.

It is my instinct to battle with things of a lower nature. I can't even hide my instinct to battle PEOPLE who are evil, how can I be expected to 'get along' with the idea of beings that rape people in the astral???

I don't care if reptilians are real or not. I don't care if 'they aren't all bad'. They are not some endangered species on a protected list that deserves to be sheltered from our scorn :rolleyes: .

Reptilian lovers. Agh you guys make me crazy.

[metacomet]

But how about people experiencing reptilians, but never saw or heard of them before? If that can be possible, your point is debunked.

Rhydras point is that he thinks reptilians are being persecuted and scapegoated like witches in the past :rolleyes:.

This is not a unique opinion and it was used to stifle discussion in the reptilian forum for a loooong time before those trouble makers got tossed out.

[element]

Rhydras point is that he thinks reptilians are being persecuted and scapegoated like witches in the past :rolleyes:.

This is not a unique opinion and it was used to stifle discussion in the reptilian forum for a loooong time before those trouble makers got tossed out.
Yeah I know. I was reading too quickly. Pardon me, I deleted the crappy post.
The temperature here must be taking its toll on me!

[rhydra]

I was, indeed, making the point about people being given the label of reptilian even though there is little evidence other than some grainy drop outs on some pixels on youtube that is them "proof" of the individual "shapeshifting."

Anyone who tries to have a more reasoned approach tends to draw a lot of fire.

[hirschfelder]

Notice how the reptilian thing also mirrors the reptilians in the 80's series V. I have just recently watched it all again and it is striking that many of the things people calim about reptilians seems to be acted out on the stories. Perhaps people have subconsciously used the imagery from that TV series to explain something else.

I wouldn't have thought so. For a start, David Icke uses the series as a source in The Biggest Secret, so neither him nor his readers are influenced by it on a subconscious level

Those who haven't read the books are more likely to have their opinion informed by little Youtube videos, which are more likely to be based on the work of Icke, and others, than subconscious memories of V

I can see why you'd be confused but you really need to read the books to understand the theory and where it comes from

But the closest any movie has come to the truth is the American television series of the 1980s called V.(39) It tells of a reptile extraterrestrial race who take over the world by looking like humans. The film depicts the reptiles as being covered in some sort of latex skin, which is not how it works in reality, but the theme of the series is right on the button and a foretaste of things to come; unless we wake up fast. I highly recommend you think about watching the video of V to get a visual feel for the themes I am exposing in this book.
The Biggest Secret p33

[newworldengineer]

I was, indeed, making the point about people being given the label of reptilian even though there is little evidence other than some grainy drop outs on some pixels on youtube that is them "proof" of the individual "shapeshifting."

Anyone who tries to have a more reasoned approach tends to draw a lot of fire.

yeah but there's also been countless people who have said they've seen them too, do we just discount them too? Listen to noone, not even be open to other possibilities until it happens right infront of our faces?? but even then we play mental gymnastics to brush our experiences under the carpet or we'd hav to get the shape-shifting reptillian in question to sign a contract to prove that he did infact shapeshift infront of your face.

I think this is partly the problem with mankind, we think everyones outthere to screw with our heads, we don't put any value into anyones personal experience (not everyone, mind)... so even when highly credible teachers tell us they've seen them.. e.g.

Stuart wilde
Cathy o'brian
Stewart swerdlow
... to name a few

we'll happily take all the rest of the wisdom off them but won't open our minds to other claims we aren't familiar with. Why would they give you some good wholesome co-ordinates (which could enhance your life in more than enough ways), then make up the reptillian thing just for kicks?? it doesn't make any sense...

If your best friend said he/she saw a reptillian sincerely, from the heart (intuitions a good indicator of that).... would you believe em?

This isn't meant to be a dig by the way, it just triggered off some thoughts I had. at the very least, this reptillian hand on the worlds gears theory should just open up a whole world of possibilities, make us ask the question.. maybe I haven't got it all figured out in me 'ead. and i think more than anything that's what the reptillian discussion has done to the worlds consciousness... and that's why david icke is such a key player in this awakening.

[quetzalcoatl]

yeah but there's also been countless people who have said they've seen them too, do we just discount them too? Listen to noone, not even be open to other possibilities until it happens right infront of our faces?? but even then we play mental gymnastics to brush our experiences under the carpet or we'd hav to get the shape-shifting reptillian in question to sign a contract to prove that he did infact shapeshift infront of your face.

I think this is partly the problem with mankind, we think everyones outthere to screw with our heads, we don't put any value into anyones personal experience (not everyone, mind)... so even when highly credible teachers tell us they've seen them.. e.g.

Stuart wilde
Cathy o'brian
Stewart swerdlow
... to name a few

we'll happily take all the rest of the wisdom off them but won't open our minds to other claims we aren't familiar with. Why would they give you some good wholesome co-ordinates (which could enhance your life in more than enough ways), then make up the reptillian thing just for kicks?? it doesn't make any sense...

If your best friend said he/she saw a reptillian sincerely, from the heart (intuitions a good indicator of that).... would you believe em?

This isn't meant to be a dig by the way, it just triggered off some thoughts I had. at the very least, this reptillian hand on the worlds gears theory should just open up a whole world of possibilities, make us ask the question.. maybe I haven't got it all figured out in me 'ead. and i think more than anything that's what the reptillian discussion has done to the worlds consciousness... and that's why david icke is such a key player in this awakening.

It's juz when these - so called - 'credible teachers' come out with that Frankenstein crap; the Queen is made up from so many other people palaver..

I haven't heard Stewart Swerdlow mention Reptilians.. perhaps you can direct me to the appropriate resource?

Over-all wot 'grinds my gears' - is the non-'contactees' whom ignorantly 're-regurgitate' other peoples info or in some cases dis-info/mis-info.. The genuine contactee whom express opinions are fine - I know it could be interpreted as quite terrifying (possibly because of personal issues/demons that most people juz don't want to face). So I am lenient to a genuine contactee.. & it quite possibly will be a varied & individual experience, tis jumping to conclusions is the problem here..

So juz how can we be so quick to 'condemn' when really absolutely no-one has the complete full picture yet.. :mad:

If ya canny fathom the reason why anyone would mix good-advice or sound info with dis-info & ill-informed personal opinions, then there's not much point in delving any deeper, my friend.. :)

[rhydra]

I have my own ideas about them, us, their interactions it is not the simplistic notion of reptilians bad, Draco super bad, much like during the war all Germans were seen as monsters. It would be easier if things were like that but they are not.
There are people who say that reptilians are behind all problems that they manipulate events and information, could that manipulation also be used to make those who get past one part of the curtain to distract them without looking deeper?
As far as I am concerned, reptilians don't physically exist here, they can probably communicate, much like other humans can communicate, of course that is something which cannot be proved or disproved.
Anyway, if most of us acknowledge that the population is being misled, would it not also be inconceivable to suggest that the false trail also tricks people into believing that some reptilians disguised as humans are behind everything, the Satan bit also is being thrown for those who follow the Bible?

[flickflack]

Almost everything was blamed on witches, from a stream drying up to the sudden death of a king.

Funny thing is that almost everything is now blamed on reptiles and other beings, perhaps it is more to do with the need to be against something, to reject and call evil, associate anything negative, however flimsy, to the doings of witches, I mean reptilians.;)

If it hadn't been for David Icke, I would probably never have heard about this Reptilian species walking the Earth.
But it's also worth mentioning that the reptile species among animals is known to be cold-blooded, whatever that means. It could probably be about how they keep their body temperature though. There are probably animal species being hot-blooded as well. It could be just some biologic term, or perhaps a hidden metaphor as well? (Cold-blooded = Lack of empathy and sympathy.)

[eshtar]

yes I still watch here. All cold blooded means is when a reptile does not contain nor controll it's temp like mammles. Mammles have the same body temeture all the time while reptiles do not. It does not mean lack of emotion ect. I personaly cannot stand cold blooded equating to some murder rape ect.

[marpat]

I wouldn't have thought so. For a start, David Icke uses the series as a source in The Biggest Secret, so neither him nor his readers are influenced by it on a subconscious level

Those who haven't read the books are more likely to have their opinion informed by little Youtube videos, which are more likely to be based on the work of Icke, and others, than subconscious memories of V

I can see why you'd be confused but you really need to read the books to understand the theory and where it comes from


The Biggest Secret p33

I actually own a copy of that book and have highlighted some mistakes in it, such as Icke calling a vase an alien.

How do you know what influences Icke on a subconscious level, can you read his mind, do you know his innermost being? sounds like you are just trying to make excuses. Not only that but you then claim his readers are not influenced by this series, as if you could possibly know such a thing and make such a statement as if it were factual. Just because he mentions the series it does not mean it has had no impact on his mind. Perhaps he actually bases his ideas on the series but in an attempt to hide this he then mentions it in his book.

[hirschfelder]

How do you know what influences Icke on a subconscious level, can you read his mind, do you know his innermost being? sounds like you are just trying to make excuses. Not only that but you then claim his readers are not influenced by this series, as if you could possibly know such a thing and make such a statement as if it were factual. Just because he mentions the series it does not mean it has had no impact on his mind. Perhaps he actually bases his ideas on the series but in an attempt to hide this he then mentions it in his book.

You don't know what the subconscious is, do you?

Perhaps if you read TBS, instead of drawing pictures in it, you would have noticed the use of V as a source and not embarrassed yourself earlier

[marpat]

You don't know what the subconscious is, do you?

Perhaps if you read TBS, instead of drawing pictures in it, you would have noticed the use of V as a source and not embarrassed yourself earlier

Get a grip will you. How did I embarass myself by claiming that people may have taken the V series as the theme for their reptilian belief?

I read that book along time ago but because there are a lot of discrepencies in Ickes work I tend to take him less seriously now.

Just because he comments about that series in his book it does not mean that it did not put ideas into his head. I think you just dont want to admit the possibility of this in case it causes you to doubt your own beliefs on the subject.

How can I take his work as accurate in any way when he tried to tell his readers that a vase in a wall painting was an alien? probably had you believing though

[hirschfelder]

Get a grip will you. How did I embarass myself by claiming that people may have taken the V series as the theme for their reptilian belief?

When you said they did so subconsciously

I read that book along time ago but because there are a lot of discrepencies in Ickes work I tend to take him less seriously now.

Well, as long as you're still around to give us the lulz, that's what counts!

Just because he comments about that series in his book it does not mean that it did not put ideas into his head. I think you just dont want to admit the possibility of this in case it causes you to doubt your own beliefs on the subject.

I have no beliefs on the subject

By the fact that he consciously mentioned it as one of his many, many sources, you have to accept that its influence on his theory wasn't on a subconscious level.

How can I take his work as accurate in any way when he tried to tell his readers that a vase in a wall painting was an alien? probably had you believing though

I don't know, how can you, Marpat? How can you?

[thirdwave]

The thing is, and a point which warms me to Icke.. is he never really claims to KNOW everything.. its simply about his own research and expiances... this is all he says...

for example the thing about the ETE being a Vase..

Well first of all, Yes it has been explained at to what it is, with the same image appearing elsewhere... but it still looks like an ETE and it most certainly is not the only or most interesting ETE imagery there is out there... so its still all relevant.. it still COULD be an image implying an ETE... as there is no reason why old art work contained hidden implications as it does today with various texts and images.. its not like that pic is out there on its own..

As he says he simply researchers info and passes it on for others to look at... and in true David Icke style "What you do with that info is none of his business"

I think Icke is wrong about Crowley in the times he has wrote about him... but him saying that is not going to make Crowley bad or good... people will still want to research and make their own mind up... at least he brings all this stuff up and throws in out there...

and the bottom line is that he hits all the right spots and gets people asking questions..

I do agree some are to dependent on what he rights about... but you allways get that and its better they depend on Icke rather than the government of Jesus.. Mohamed ..what ever...

[quetzalcoatl]

Can't we all juz get along?? :D

There is evil in the world & it's simply all these things :- Pride - Envy - Gluttony - Lust - Anger - Greed - Sloth.

There is no 'face' or form to evil, there is only doing good or doing evil..

Tis a shame but most really need to have an evil force to battle out there & even thrive in blood lust @ the thought of slaying such demons.. anything to distract themselves from their own inner fallibilities.. I say it is YOU whom are the demons.. & your will to 'fight' in righteousness will come back on ya..

I'm juz gona keep striving to do wot Jesus said to do.. :D He knew wot to do to win! :D Keep eliminating these 'deadly sins' in myself - & accept that many a times I've failed..

I would go as far as to say they are directly teaching certain individuals - yet, from a totally different reality - things of benefit to humanity.. or worst case scenario they might be juz like us, a mixed bag of benevolence & malevolence.. :confused:

[noewhan]

In this video:

Fritz Springmeier Illumanti Exposed P1 - YouTube

@ 4:38 onwards, Fritz mentions the Illuminati / witch bloodlines.

[jem1]

when i was 6 years old, i was in front of a group of women at my primary school when one of them shapeshifted in to a typical reptilian in front of me. i was also told on another occasion that the person talking was an alien, and that there has been an alien species on the earth using humanity since its birth.

[thelyran]

when i was 6 years old, i was in front of a group of women at my primary school when one of them shapeshifted in to a typical reptilian in front of me. i was also told on another occasion that the person talking was an alien, and that there has been an alien species on the earth using humanity since its birth.

...there you go Jem

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52245

...if you would like to expand on your experience as a child,please put your account in this thread,I'd be very honoured if you would.Regards Jason.

[measle_weasel]

Ok tongue in cheek slightly here but i have a few observations so no huge offence meant.

Have reptilians taken over from witches? Years ago (in some simple parts of the world, now) religious zealots went on the lookout for failed crops, barren cattle, diseases, "changelings" and so on.

Of course these people were simple, they explained the workings of the witches like weather changing events, floods, diseases and other assorted "evildoings" as magic.

Of course we now have reptilians and their science, a science that can't be explained or the motives fathomed out. But those people, way back in history probably had a deep desire to be fearful of the witches for they were said to be everywhere and justified their faith not only to those around them but most importantly, to themselves.

Almost everything was blamed on witches, from a stream drying up to the sudden death of a king.

Funny thing is that almost everything is now blamed on reptiles and other beings, perhaps it is more to do with the need to be against something, to reject and call evil, associate anything negative, however flimsy, to the doings of witches, I mean reptilians.;)

Good comparison.

[jem1]

in reply to thelyran's message, i was involved with a group women at my primary school who were in to some weird power games. during one of these experiences, i saw one of the women shapeshift in to a typical reptile(just the face). Unfortunately, I cant remember the other incident beyond what was said, and that I was told that it didnt matter what Isaid, no-one would believe me. Only recently that Ive been able to accept the above-the whole place had a very unusual atmosphere.

[jem1]

in addition to the memories of unusual experiences at this primary school, i have some memories of experiences which are somewhat similiar to some of those involved in the mk ultra programme. This is somewhat speculative, but if true would include electroshock, amongst others. Also, some of the experiences at school were calculated to be humiliating and to break my spirit. This whole town seems to one which is under the control of some very damaged, cold and calculating people. A number of local people have indicated to me that they have had similiar experiences to this. If reading this triggers similiar feelings in anyone, it would be interesting to hear from them.

[jem1]

i am wary of sounding too paranoid- i agree that its all too easy to blame things on something that we see as other-but having recently returned to the town in which these experiences happened, I have found the place to be a pseudo-nazi dump. Anyone who doesnt believe in reptilians and humans conditioned to behave similiarly should come and see it. The place is Lincoln. Iam still trying to understand and come to terms with what happened and frankly i am fucking scared. because of the weird shit that was done to me as a child, large parts of my life have been distroyed. I agree with someone on a site related to mk ultra that i read tioday. people who deny that satanic ritual abuse occurs are doing untold damage.

[octopusrex]

ok tongue in cheek slightly here but i have a few observations so no huge offence meant.

Have reptilians taken over from witches? Years ago (in some simple parts of the world, now) religious zealots went on the lookout for failed crops, barren cattle, diseases, "changelings" and so on.

Of course these people were simple, they explained the workings of the witches like weather changing events, floods, diseases and other assorted "evildoings" as magic.

Of course we now have reptilians and their science, a science that can't be explained or the motives fathomed out. But those people, way back in history probably had a deep desire to be fearful of the witches for they were said to be everywhere and justified their faith not only to those around them but most importantly, to themselves.

Almost everything was blamed on witches, from a stream drying up to the sudden death of a king.

Funny thing is that almost everything is now blamed on reptiles and other beings, perhaps it is more to do with the need to be against something, to reject and call evil, associate anything negative, however flimsy, to the doings of witches, i mean reptilians.;)

:d:d:d:d:d:d:d

[marpat]

That's an interesting question Rhydra.

To my mind though, it was tptb themselves who sought out and destroyed (mainly) women who they believed may have some esoteric knowledge, because they wanted that to be the domain only of the elite themselves. It had the purpose of scaring others away from seeking such knowledge, as well as stamping out anyone who could harness the powers (I believe) they practice themselves. Therefore, they weren't concerned if innocents were squished, along with genuine practitioners - all the better to stamp out any curious researchers.

With the lizard theories though, it's the common people who are exploring possible reasons to explain the inhumane actions and intentions of the elite.

It's a subject that I intend to study more of. I feel that those who dismiss the reptilian thing, purely because it seems too far fetched, may be allowing their incredulity to prevent them being subjective.

Perhaps people may be more receptive if the emphasis is not on them being reptiles. If these are fourth dimension entities then why should they have any form at all? perhaps the whole reptile thing is people trying to relate the experience to 3d perception in a language that the brain can comprehend rather than such things being accurate representations of actual beings.