Real Atlantis Story Suppressed?

[galexander]

I am an author who has explained the true origins of the Atlantis story in my book “Atlantis, the Origins of a Legend”. Despite the credibility of my new theory however none of the mainstream publishers will take it on and the press I have contacted regarding my new theory never reply. Instead we are treated to the endless piffle regarding sunken ruins being discovered off the coast of whatever. This has left me thinking this must be some kind of orchestrated cover up but I cannot work out exactly why this should be.

My theory goes that Plato’s account of the story is unreliable and that Diodorus’ account of the ‘Atlantians’ in Africa is far closer to the original. The word ‘Atlantis’ is most certainly derived from ‘Atlas’ and in Greek mythology Mount Atlas is situated in Africa. Diodorus goes on to tell us that it was actually a lake containing an inhabited island that disappeared during an earthquake and that the island was inhabited by Amazons and not their closest rivals the Atlantians, living at the base of Mount Atlas. Diodorus also tells us that it was the Amazons who defeated the Atlantians and then went on to challenge the might of the Greeks. This accords well with Greek mythology where the Amazons were said to have fought with the Greeks in Asia Minor and not the inhabitants of Atlantis as Plato claimed.

I managed to self-publish my book at some cost and despite much advertising very few copies have ever sold. Its available at Amazon Books (no pun intended!) if you want to read more or see my website at http://www.atlantislegend.com.

[swethirte]

The real Atlantis story refers to Atland, the Old Land, described in the Oera Linda Book. It existed in the North Sea until it submerged in 2194 BC. Interestingly, although the Oera Linda Book doesn't say this, its destruction may have been connected with Comet Hale-Bopp. When that comet came in 1997 it was calculated that its last approach was 4200 years previously, plus or minus ten years. 2194 BC is exactly 4190 years before 1997 AD. As for Plato, a lot of what he wrote was correct, but some of his details were wrong. See our website below for links to the Oera Linda Book.

[noewhan]

This documentary by Graham Hancock goes into some detail about the structures beneath the sea, and how they are all connected by astrology / numbers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amqlYJsbr54

He doesn't mention Atlantis (It's been along time since I saw the whole thing so I'm not 100% sure) but I think personally he would agree that the 'lost civilization' could be Atlantis.

Someone one on Coast to Coast am radio said that there's a temple which holds 'the blue stones of the Annunaki' in Ireland. And that particular piece of Ireland was connected to Atlantis, and this whole story about some people who stole the stones, which led to the destruction of the whole city etc..

I'll have to dig up some archives to find out more :)

[ziegenfarm]

mu was in the pacific. atlantis in the atlantic.
both predate the arrival of the annunaki.

[noewhan]

Someone one on Coast to Coast am radio said that there's a temple which holds 'the blue stones of the Annunaki' in Ireland. And that particular piece of Ireland was connected to Atlantis, and this whole story about some people who stole the stones, which led to the destruction of the whole city etc..

I think it's this one where William Henry talks about the above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuy2aHt594c

[marpat]

mu was in the pacific. atlantis in the atlantic.
both predate the arrival of the annunaki.

Said who? maybe they arrived from those places.

[tehuti]

What I'll say about your idea of placing Atlantis in Africa is not only closer to the original it is the original albeit much, much more deep.
I've read Diodorus and his account of the Atlas mountains and it also misses the mark.

I am an author who has explained the true origins of the Atlantis story in my book “Atlantis, the Origins of a Legend”. Despite the credibility of my new theory however none of the mainstream publishers will take it on and the press I have contacted regarding my new theory never reply. Instead we are treated to the endless piffle regarding sunken ruins being discovered off the coast of whatever. This has left me thinking this must be some kind of orchestrated cover up but I cannot work out exactly why this should be.

My theory goes that Plato’s account of the story is unreliable and that Diodorus’ account of the ‘Atlantians’ in Africa is far closer to the original. The word ‘Atlantis’ is most certainly derived from ‘Atlas’ and in Greek mythology Mount Atlas is situated in Africa. Diodorus goes on to tell us that it was actually a lake containing an inhabited island that disappeared during an earthquake and that the island was inhabited by Amazons and not their closest rivals the Atlantians, living at the base of Mount Atlas. Diodorus also tells us that it was the Amazons who defeated the Atlantians and then went on to challenge the might of the Greeks. This accords well with Greek mythology where the Amazons were said to have fought with the Greeks in Asia Minor and not the inhabitants of Atlantis as Plato claimed.

I managed to self-publish my book at some cost and despite much advertising very few copies have ever sold. Its available at Amazon Books (no pun intended!) if you want to read more or see my website at http://www.atlantislegend.com.

[opulentview]

Amazing how many different versions of this story exist.

[noewhan]

Well...

Here's a few more bits of info...

Al Bielek - On the hidden agendas CD claims / mentions that the library underneath the Vatican contains the whole history of Atlantis and more. This library is 18 miles long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iCYChTTppE

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_vaticano/vatican18_02.jpg

http://members.tripod.com/papyri/stereoviews/vatican18.jpg

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For those who don't know Al Bielek, he also talks about the Philadelphia experiment, going forward in time, and much more. - So I'm not too sure about his credibility on other topics, but interesting anyway. And apparently there's proof for the Library, its just his other claims which seem a bit out there.

http://www.bielek.com/ab_albielek.htm

[whaaat]

Someone once told me there were 11,000 books published on Atlantis.

If I were a publisher i think I'd have a very long checklist of requirements such as:


Must be supported by a national science institute of a western or European Union country

Must be visible in Googlemaps

Must be accessable [you can walk on it...]

Must include dynamic new geographical facts [like a new sea where one wasn't known]

Must provide profound archaeological evidence

Must explain genetics, technology spread and migrations

Must answer all mythologies [Greek, Egyptian, Persian, Sumerian, Norse etc...]

Must survive the Plato checklist

Must be traceable throughout all history

Co-authored by Occam


That is a tall order.

[relax]

Someone once told me there were 11,000 books published on Atlantis.

If I were a publisher i think I'd have a very long checklist of requirements such as:


Must be supported by a national science institute of a western or European Union country

Must be visible in Googlemaps

Must be accessable [you can walk on it...]

Must include dynamic new geographical facts [like a new sea where one wasn't known]

Must provide profound archaeological evidence

Must explain genetics, technology spread and migrations

Must answer all mythologies [Greek, Egyptian, Persian, Sumerian, Norse etc...]

Must survive the Plato checklist

Must be traceable throughout all history

Co-authored by Occam


That is a tall order.

Not just tall but ridiculous considering its something thats been covered up.

[whaaat]

Not just tall but ridiculous considering its something thats been covered up.

Thats the traceable through history part. If it is a coverup then you can describe who, when, why and how after you show where.

[element]

The real Atlantis story refers to Atland, the Old Land, described in the Oera Linda Book. It existed in the North Sea until it submerged in 2194 BC. Interestingly, although the Oera Linda Book doesn't say this, its destruction may have been connected with Comet Hale-Bopp. When that comet came in 1997 it was calculated that its last approach was 4200 years previously, plus or minus ten years. 2194 BC is exactly 4190 years before 1997 AD. As for Plato, a lot of what he wrote was correct, but some of his details were wrong. See our website below for links to the Oera Linda Book.
I doubt your Atlantis - Attland connection is real, I think it's a forgery. Your story is from Norse legend, which is perfectly logical. Frisians probably came from Scandinavia, they didn't came from a tropical Atlantis where vulcanos and earthquakes happened and where man harvested crops twice a year. The North Sea was a barren wasteland of tundra, mammoth and bison bones have been found, it wasn't the lush place Plato described.
Besides all of that, the North Sea is maybe 10 meters deep, which is nothing. They should have founded clues by now. The stories of the Heligoland sea structures have no evidence to back up their experience.

Perhaps there was something, but it very likely wasn't Plato's Atlantis.

[swethirte]

I doubt your Atlantis - Attland connection is real, I think it's a forgery. Your story is from Norse legend, which is perfectly logical. Frisians probably came from Scandinavia, they didn't came from a tropical Atlantis where vulcanos and earthquakes happened and where man harvested crops twice a year. The North Sea was a barren wasteland of tundra, mammoth and bison bones have been found, it wasn't the lush place Plato described.
Besides all of that, the North Sea is maybe 10 meters deep, which is nothing. They should have founded clues by now. The stories of the Heligoland sea structures have no evidence to back up their experience.

Perhaps there was something, but it very likely wasn't Plato's Atlantis.

Frisians didn't come from Scandinavia, they are native to the lands now called the Netherlands. It's the Dutch, descended from the Franks, who are the invaders.

Plato wrote a lot of things that aren't necessarily correct. But I think it's clear that Greek legends of Atlantis are derived from Atland.

[opulentview]

I guess the next step is to apply for a library card at the Vatican.

[element]

Frisians didn't come from Scandinavia, they are native to the lands now called the Netherlands. It's the Dutch, descended from the Franks, who are the invaders.

Plato wrote a lot of things that aren't necessarily correct. But I think it's clear that Greek legends of Atlantis are derived from Atland.
Funny thing though, that many family names of Frisians and north Dutch people have a Scandinavian flow. How can they be native to the land, when they came some milennia ago, the northern parts of the country were a massive swamp, and constant flooding.

Where are the vulcanos in the North Sea, and the earthquakes?
Where are signs to be found that it's been tropical? Crops twice a year?
The list is quite long, and there's no evidence that Atlantis is in the North Sea.
Do you have archeological evidence?

Do we hear about ''Attland'' in Scandinavian legend? Only one Swedish guy from the Renaissance...incidentally a time when Greek culture was rediscovered.:rolleyes: Tbh, I think the Frisians tried a way to gain independance. The only thing you have is the book, and it's controversial. But the Frisian ancestors are probably Scandinavian viking folk.

[swethirte]

Funny thing though, that many family names of Frisians and north Dutch people have a Scandinavian flow. How can they be native to the land, when they came some milennia ago, the northern parts of the country were a massive swamp, and constant flooding.

Where are the vulcanos in the North Sea, and the earthquakes?
Where are signs to be found that it's been tropical? Crops twice a year?
The list is quite long, and there's no evidence that Atlantis is in the North Sea.
Do you have archeological evidence?

Do we hear about ''Attland'' in Scandinavian legend? Only one Swedish guy from the Renaissance...incidentally a time when Greek culture was rediscovered.:rolleyes: Tbh, I think the Frisians tried a way to gain independance. The only thing you have is the book, and it's controversial. But the Frisian ancestors are probably Scandinavian viking folk.

There is a very large amount of archaeological evidence for the existence of Atland in the North Sea, though archaeologists call it Doggerland, after the Dogger Bank. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland

As for its climate, it is also well known that in those days it was a lot warmer than today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_(period)

Neither the Frisians or Dutch are Scandinavian because their languages are both West Germanic. The Scandinavian languages, by definition, are North Germanic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_languages

Any apparently Scandinavian names among the Frisians probably derive from the period when the Vikings conquered parts of Frisia in the 9th century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisia

[element]

There is a very large amount of archaeological evidence for the existence of Atland in the North Sea, though archaeologists call it Doggerland, after the Dogger Bank. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland)
Commercial trawlers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_trawler) operating near the sandbank and shipping hazard known as the Dogger Bank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank) (from dogge, an old Dutch word for fishing boat) in the North Sea have dragged up mammoth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammoth) and lion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion) remains, among other remains of land animals, as well as small numbers of prehistoric tools and weapons which were used by the region's inhabitants.

It means there were tribes. Also, where are the mountains, the vulcano etc.? They aren't there, in 'Doggerland'..
What we actually know of the place, is that is was a place with tundras and plains, and there were mammoths. Human remains have been found, but I have not seen evidence that it is the civilisation which Plato described.

As for its climate, it is also well known that in those days it was a lot warmer than today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_(period (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_(period))
It wasn't tropical in the North Sea, and the lush place Plato described. Abundant in fruit, perfume etc.

Tundra and plains!! Some forest perhaps.

Atland is not Atlantis. I believe the name is used to link Frisia with ancient Greece and sophisticated civilisations, to promote Frisian pride and nationalism and gain independance. The Oera Linda Book is controversial. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oera_Linda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oera_Linda)

[swethirte]

It means there were tribes. Also, where are the mountains, the vulcano etc.? They aren't there, in 'Doggerland'..
What we actually know of the place, is that is was a place with tundras and plains, and there were mammoths. Human remains have been found, but I have not seen evidence that it is the civilisation which Plato described.


It wasn't tropical in the North Sea, and the lush place Plato described. Abundant in fruit, perfume etc.

Tundra and plains!! Some forest perhaps.

Atland is not Atlantis. I believe the name is used to link Frisia with ancient Greece and sophisticated civilisations, to promote Frisian pride and nationalism and gain independance. The Oera Linda Book is controversial. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oera_Linda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oera_Linda)

There is no reason to assume that Plato got every single detail correct. After all, he got the Atlantis story from his own memory of notes for a poem a relative of his wrote 300 years earlier, who in turn picked it up while in Egypt but having to have it translated for him. So there is no reason to assume there were actually any mountains or volcanoes on Atlantis. That Atland and Atlantis were the same place is obvious from all the similarities. Even its location is correct. To get to the North Sea, and Ancient Greek would certainly not have gone by land. He would have sailed there, via the Pillars of Hercules (Straights of Gibraltar).

[element]

So there is no reason to assume there were actually any mountains or volcanoes on Atlantis.
Why not? Those are important things. Mountains are mentioned many times. They can't be found in 'Doggerland'. Same with the climate, really I can't see your connection Atland-Atlantis connection. Perhaps many things Plato described are in fact, not in the OL Book.
That Atland and Atlantis were the same place is obvious from all the similarities.
Obvious?...like which ones?
Even its location is correct. To get to the North Sea, and Ancient Greek would certainly not have gone by land. He would have sailed there, via the Pillars of Hercules (Straights of Gibraltar).
So Atlantis can be anywhere else just as well. Canary Islands/Marocco/Azoren for example. There are even many mountains there, and vulcanos.
You can't claim Atland is Atlantis, while leaving many things out of it.

There's no archeological evidence of an advanced civilisation in the North Sea. Perhaps the Frisians were the result of a mix of Scandinavian vikings and hunters/gatherers that lived on the plains. (now North Sea) There should be more 'advanced' clues around still today, but there aren't. There's the book, but it's controversial and said to be a hoax.

[swethirte]

Why not? Those are important things. Mountains are mentioned many times. They can't be found in 'Doggerland'. Same with the climate, really I can't see your connection Atland-Atlantis connection. Perhaps many things Plato described are in fact, not in the OL Book.

Obvious?...like which ones?

So Atlantis can be anywhere else just as well. Canary Islands/Marocco/Azoren for example. There are even many mountains there, and vulcanos.
You can't claim Atland is Atlantis, while leaving many things out of it.

There's no archeological evidence of an advanced civilisation in the North Sea. Perhaps the Frisians were the result of a mix of Scandinavian vikings and hunters/gatherers that lived on the plains. (now North Sea) There should be more 'advanced' clues around still today, but there aren't. There's the book, but it's controversial and said to be a hoax.

There's plenty of evidence for an advanced culture in Northern and Western Europe at precisely the period in question. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalith

It's certainly possible that Plato was mistaken about certain details. Would you, for example, accept his account of the creation of Atlantis by the god Poseidon, and his marriage with a mortal woman to produce the line of Atlantean kings?

Plato was not infallible, but despite a number of inaccuracies it is remarkable how closely his Atlantis matches Atland.

As I've said, the Frisians are not descended from Scandinavians. If they were, they would speak a North Germanic language, and not a West Germanic language. A few Vikings settled in Frisia in the 9th century, but the Frisians were already there.

[element]

There's plenty of evidence for an advanced culture in Northern and Western Europe at precisely the period in question. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalith

It's certainly possible that Plato was mistaken about certain details. Would you, for example, accept his account of the creation of Atlantis by the god Poseidon, and his marriage with a mortal woman to produce the line of Atlantean kings?

Plato was not infallible, but despite a number of inaccuracies it is remarkable how closely his Atlantis matches Atland.


What are the similarities between the Megalithic Culture and Plato's Atlantis..?
Why shouldn't we accept Poseidon. He was a God to those people, for all we know he might have been a normal man with power and knowledge. Or an enlightened soul who was seen as a 'God'. Plato doesn't just mention mountains once, he mentions it many times! You can't simply dismiss that as a mistake, neither the vulcano. If that is not significant I don't know what is. Was Atland a lush place, with an abundance in perfume, fruit and plants? Doesn't look like it, even not with geology. Plains and tundra are barren.
I think it's the other way around..the Frisians are sea people. They use Plato's story as a sense of belonging, wanting somthing similar. Perhaps they had a civilisation, but no archeological evidence shows us it is the Atlantis of Plato. If the timespan is so short, why did the Greek develop such a different language? They should honor Frya, Wr-Alda (?) to the fullest and not change some names..! Frisian culture should also have more clues and similarities as in Plato's account.

You say the Frisian 'Atland' is the 'real Atlantis', but it's your own version. And I'm sorry to say, but when your only source, the book, is controversial and when it's been more then once said to be a hoax, I do have my doubts.

[swethirte]

What are the similarities between the Megalithic Culture and Plato's Atlantis..?
Why shouldn't we accept Poseidon. He was a God to those people, for all we know he might have been a normal man with power and knowledge. Or an enlightened soul who was seen as a 'God'. Plato doesn't just mention mountains once, he mentions it many times! You can't simply dismiss that as a mistake, neither the vulcano. If that is not significant I don't know what is. Was Atland a lush place, with an abundance in perfume, fruit and plants? Doesn't look like it, even not with geology. Plains and tundra are barren.
I think it's the other way around..the Frisians are sea people. They use Plato's story as a sense of belonging, wanting somthing similar. Perhaps they had a civilisation, but no archeological evidence shows us it is the Atlantis of Plato. If the timespan is so short, why did the Greek develop such a different language? They should honor Frya, Wr-Alda (?) to the fullest and not change some names..! Frisian culture should also have more clues and similarities as in Plato's account.

You say the Frisian 'Atland' is the 'real Atlantis', but it's your own version. And I'm sorry to say, but when your only source, the book, is controversial and when it's been more then once said to be a hoax, I do have my doubts.

The Oera Linda Book is not the only source, and there are many myths and legends of North Sea lands, as well as modern archaeology as I described earlier.

Plato describes Poseidon many times, and calls him a god. If you think he might have meant a man with power and knowledge, then you are already admitting Plato was wrong, or at least exaggerated. In which case when he said mountains he might have meant hills, which is what the Dogger Bank was when it was above water. But this isn't necessary. Plato was not infallible, and to keep going on about the mountains as if it disproves the vast numbers of similarities seems a bit odd.

And the Doggerland was most certainly not tundra. It was very fertile ground with a climate warmer than modern England for example, on the same latitude.

I'm not sure what you mean about the timespan being so short. The Indo-European languages expanded across Europe thousands of years before Atland was submerged, which is more than enough time to diverge into their present groups.

[bard]

Article from National Geographic Magazine 2004:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/pf/41652300.html

Atlantis was Ancient Ireland. From the article:
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But Erlingsson is convinced that Plato based the geographical description of his fabled kingdom on a real place and argues that even the empire might be historic. He claims he has calculated with "99.98 percent probability" that the island Atlantis was modeled on Ireland.

"It is the only island in the world that matches the criteria of the island described by Plato," Erlingsson said.

The island that sank was not Ireland, he suggested, but nearby Dogger Bank, which was struck by a flood wave in 6,100 B.C.

The geographer says Ireland's megalithic monuments, dating back to 3,000 B.C., can be associated with the palaces and temples described by Plato. The megalithic culture of Western Europe and Northern Africa was more advanced than other Stone Age cultures, and Ireland is one of its core regions, he noted.
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[fr0sty]

Article from National Geographic Magazine 2004:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/pf/41652300.html

Atlantis was Ancient Ireland. From the article:
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But Erlingsson is convinced that Plato based the geographical description of his fabled kingdom on a real place and argues that even the empire might be historic. He claims he has calculated with "99.98 percent probability" that the island Atlantis was modeled on Ireland.

"It is the only island in the world that matches the criteria of the island described by Plato," Erlingsson said.

The island that sank was not Ireland, he suggested, but nearby Dogger Bank, which was struck by a flood wave in 6,100 B.C.

The geographer says Ireland's megalithic monuments, dating back to 3,000 B.C., can be associated with the palaces and temples described by Plato. The megalithic culture of Western Europe and Northern Africa was more advanced than other Stone Age cultures, and Ireland is one of its core regions, he noted.
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hahahahahahahaha...no

Hint: Atlantis is under 1 mile of ice

[swethirte]

Article from National Geographic Magazine 2004:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/pf/41652300.html

Atlantis was Ancient Ireland. From the article:
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But Erlingsson is convinced that Plato based the geographical description of his fabled kingdom on a real place and argues that even the empire might be historic. He claims he has calculated with "99.98 percent probability" that the island Atlantis was modeled on Ireland.

"It is the only island in the world that matches the criteria of the island described by Plato," Erlingsson said.

The island that sank was not Ireland, he suggested, but nearby Dogger Bank, which was struck by a flood wave in 6,100 B.C.

The geographer says Ireland's megalithic monuments, dating back to 3,000 B.C., can be associated with the palaces and temples described by Plato. The megalithic culture of Western Europe and Northern Africa was more advanced than other Stone Age cultures, and Ireland is one of its core regions, he noted.
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The Dogger Bank is the place archaeologists call Doggerland, in the North Sea, the exact loaction of Atland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland

[swethirte]

hahahahahahahaha...no

Hint: Atlantis is under 1 mile of ice

Hint: Not everyone accepts the Antarctica theory, though it's quite trendy in some New Age quarters. The principle of Occam's Razor tells us to look at the least implausible explanation, and we know for a fact that there was once land in the North Sea that supported a human society, which sank (unlike Antarctica, be it noted), and was located at the geographical centre of a known historical yet mysterious culture, that of the Megalith builders in Northern and Western Europe.

[synergy777]

i think tsarion has good views on atlantis.

to me atlantis might be the biblical eden, the aliens/reptillians/serpents are the fallen angels/book of enoch/bible.

as there is only one truth, different words for the same things are going to be used by the two opposing camps eg esoteric/occult versus organised religion.

its all a matter of percpetion, interpretation, and agenda.

hence imho atlantis/lemuria/eden are connected. the fallout from war was the deluge/biblical flood.

the remants of the fallen, created/had offspring, these became the elite, who rule through the royalty/priesthood/elite etc, the bloodline/annunaki angle.

these created the civilisations of sumeria, egypt, the americas and the vedic empire eg rama empire.

ancient indian texts and many other ancients texts all correlate with the bible. the bible is a brief record of our ancient history eg eden/atalntis, followed then by the two captivity's in babylon and egypt, the exodus, the roman empire etc.

[bard]

Well' I do not buy myself the National Geographic story. There is more than meets the eye.

Michael Tsarion himself had argued that there is a strong connection between the druidic culture of Ancient Ireland and that of Ancient Egypt (Sun-worshipping cults, well versed in Astronomy and Black Magic). If one follows the occult symbolism connection this indeed appears so. However, there is good archaeological evidence that Ireland was populated only after 9-8 000 BC. Thus the most one can argue is that the oldest inhabitants of Ireland were somehow related to an even older civilization that was destroyed around 10 000 BC (the exact time is unknown). There are some linguistic and anthropological evidence that the inhabitants of Ancient Ireland, the Basques (in Spain/France) and the Berbers in North Africa are related to each other, and much more so than to the surrounding population. So one can argue that they all originated from the same source. There are not many places where one can place the location of this civilization - the only possible choice being on the Mid-Atlantic ridge. One choice - Iceland, a geologically still active place seems to be too cold to support the theory, also no artifacts have been found there. The other possible place is the Azores island chain - it matches the tropical climate, the geological activity and the proximity to the shores of Ireland, Spain and Morocco. So this seems to be the best possible choice:
http://www.atlantisquest.com/Ridge.gif

[element]

it matches the tropical climate, the geological activity and the proximity to the shores of Ireland, Spain and Morocco. So this seems to be the best possible choice:

+ mountains and vulcanos. The Azores plus Canary Islands is possible.
These are very important elements things that shouldn't be overlooked, Plato described it frequently.
And it matches a (sub)tropical climate and can have fruit in abundance.

[swethirte]

Well' I do not buy myself the National Geographic story. There is more than meets the eye.

Michael Tsarion himself had argued that there is a strong connection between the druidic culture of Ancient Ireland and that of Ancient Egypt (Sun-worshipping cults, well versed in Astronomy and Black Magic). If one follows the occult symbolism connection this indeed appears so. However, there is good archaeological evidence that Ireland was populated only after 9-8 000 BC. Thus the most one can argue is that the oldest inhabitants of Ireland were somehow related to an even older civilization that was destroyed around 10 000 BC (the exact time is unknown). There are some linguistic and anthropological evidence that the inhabitants of Ancient Ireland, the Basques (in Spain/France) and the Berbers in North Africa are related to each other, and much more so than to the surrounding population. So one can argue that they all originated from the same source. There are not many places where one can place the location of this civilization - the only possible choice being on the Mid-Atlantic ridge. One choice - Iceland, a geologically still active place seems to be too cold to support the theory, also no artifacts have been found there. The other possible place is the Azores island chain - it matches the tropical climate, the geological activity and the proximity to the shores of Ireland, Spain and Morocco. So this seems to be the best possible choice:
http://www.atlantisquest.com/Ridge.gif

The problem with the mid-Atlantic ridge theory is that it wasn't above water at any time during human history, and there's no way to plunge billions of tons of rocks and mountains downwards in a short space of time. Doggerland neatly solves both problems. It existed until recently enough to be settled by humans, and since it's all pretty much low lying, it could easily have been flooded in a single go if it was already below sea level and protected by dikes, which were breached.

It could be argued that Plato actually says Atlantis was in what we now call the Atlantic, but in fact he doesn't. He simply says it was beyond the Pillars of Hercules. So the mid-Atlantic ridge is not to be favoured just for its location.

[swethirte]

+ mountains and vulcanos. The Azores plus Canary Islands is possible.
These are very important elements things that shouldn't be overlooked, Plato described it frequently.
And it matches a (sub)tropical climate and can have fruit in abundance.

To Plato, the large flat fertile plain was much more important than the mountains, and there is no place for this in those locations, which would have been entirely mountainous and inhospitable. Translated into modern units, this plain measured 300 by 200 miles. Exactly the size of Doggerland in the North Sea.

[element]

The problem with the mid-Atlantic ridge theory is that it wasn't above water at any time during human history, and there's no way to plunge billions of tons of rocks and mountains downwards in a short space of time. Doggerland neatly solves both problems. It existed until recently enough to be settled by humans, and since it's all pretty much low lying, it could easily have been flooded in a single go if it was already below sea level and protected by dikes, which were breached.

It could be argued that Plato actually says Atlantis was in what we now call the Atlantic, but in fact he doesn't. He simply says it was beyond the Pillars of Hercules. So the mid-Atlantic ridge is not to be favoured just for its location.

If it's all so low lying, then there should be evidence for an advanced civilisation. So far, they've found hunter tools and animal bones. The North Sea isn't deep, so much more clues should be around. But there aren't.

[swethirte]

If it's all so low lying, then there should be evidence for an advanced civilisation. So far, they've found hunter tools and animal bones. The North Sea isn't deep, so much more clues should be around. But there aren't.

The German archaeologist Jurgen Spanuth found evidence of a large Bronze Age city in the sea near modern Heligoland. http://www.eichner-dresden.de/atlantis/Atlantis_Textteil.html

[pri01]

Could this be a reason why some land mass have disappeared? Post number 2, interesting theory.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59964

[bard]

People are talking about suppression of the real story of Atlantis.
Nothing beats this (a Discovery Channel movie 45 min):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6706953342992228597&ei=0ycvSv_eLYq0qQKIuLR-&q=atlantis+uncovered

This is the most disgusting piece of disinformation on the topic that I have seen.
You can see how they indoctrinate students, how the "experts" build a straw man and then destroy it with their childish arguments. There is not even a remote sense of objectivity. Then at the end you see the ultimate piece of shit - a wannabe expert connects the legend of Atlantis and the Holocaust. The movie can serve as a good study in social engineering and mass manipulation.

[rydeon]

I doubt your Atlantis - Attland connection is real, I think it's a forgery. Your story is from Norse legend, which is perfectly logical. Frisians probably came from Scandinavia, they didn't came from a tropical Atlantis where vulcanos and earthquakes happened and where man harvested crops twice a year. The North Sea was a barren wasteland of tundra, mammoth and bison bones have been found, it wasn't the lush place Plato described.
Besides all of that, the North Sea is maybe 10 meters deep, which is nothing. They should have founded clues by now. The stories of the Heligoland sea structures have no evidence to back up their experience.

Perhaps there was something, but it very likely wasn't Plato's Atlantis.

The North Sea is far from 10 metres deep, more like 80 - 300 metres :)

[whaaat]

What they say in the 6th minute of this video seems like suppressed information

cities of the underworld series (http://videopedia.us/video/17188/Cities-of-the-Underworld--Budapest--City-of-Caves-1-5)

"mysteriously in the last 10k yrs"? Don't see that in Wiki.

[mind1universe]

I believe atlantis on where the mid atlantic ridge was, there are still a few island along that ridge. and it apparently had destruction before the volcanoes and comets.Atlantis people were at war and the small continent was destined to fall....

The thing is there is alot of human history from 200,000 till 6,000 years ago we dont know, alot of the land has changed. You have to remember that the see levels were a 100metres lower than it was today, so The midatlantic ridge theory is still very possible, and the poleshits can drastically change the entire landmasses...

[element]

The German archaeologist Jurgen Spanuth found evidence of a large Bronze Age city in the sea near modern Heligoland. http://www.eichner-dresden.de/atlantis/Atlantis_Textteil.html (http://www.eichner-dresden.de/atlantis/Atlantis_Textteil.html)
I'll have a look at that, though I'm not really good at German language..:p

The North Sea is far from 10 metres deep, more like 80 - 300 metres :)
I think you're over exxagerating.., unless you mean the coast of Norway.
Wikipedia says it is on average 94m deep, which I find surprising. Perhaps it shows how corrupted my atlas is!

[bard]

Here is some more evidence:

1) Map of the distribution of megalithic structures in Europe

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Megalithic_architecture.png

2) Timeline of ancient texts mentioning Atlantis-like entity

http://www.atlantisquest.com/Timeline.html