What if we are all bisexual?

[filip]

This theory will piss a lot of people off, but please try to keep an open mind about it. It's just a theory after all...

What if we are all bisexual, but we have been taught to suppress, fear and be ashamed of our homosexual side?

Just think about it - bisexuality was the norm in ancient Greece, and from what I have read homosexuality is apparently common among otherwise straight men at the Bohemian Grove (the "elite"). Add to that all the reports about members of the elite who are having gay relationships on the side, as well as Alister Crowleys "sex magick" rituals... Perhaps these people knew/know that bisexuality is something normal while manipulating the masses to think it's something shameful in order to control us?

Also, subliminal advertising often plays on latent homosexuality (see "The Age of Manipulation" by Dr. Key).

What are your thoughts on this?

[element]

I think there are far more bisexuals then we think, but I also think there are less homosexuals then we think.

Meh, it doesn't matter, it's all bodily identification.
I think those who feel attracted to same sex, have been the opposite in their past life. (that's only a guess)

To answer your question: No, I don't think we are all bisexual, but there are more bisexuals then we think there are.

[potstar]

Why do guys that want to bone another guy try to always justify it?

Just go have sex with your buddy, we won't make fun of you.......much

[lordzoma]

About 80% of humanity is bisexual. The vast minority is heterosexual.

[kingmob]

About 80% of humanity is bisexual. The vast minority is heterosexual.

Umm, how? So, you are saying about 40% of the male population would suck another male off? That's FUCKING WRONG.

[kurupted_flesh]

Umm, how? So, you are saying about 40% of the male population would suck another male off? That's FUCKING WRONG.

...No - he's saying 80% of the male population would (Or could potentially).


Take it maths isn't your strong point (?)

[catfood]

I propose a DI forum gang bang to test this theory out, We should all meet some where strip off and see how many of us get stuck in to what sex. (purely for scientific research of cores)

[relax]

I propose a DI forum gang bang to test this theory out, We should all meet some where strip off and see how many of us get stuck in to what sex. (purely for scientific research of cores)

:D

[filip]

Meh, it doesn't matter, it's all bodily identification.


I don't agree. Sure, sex is part of a very low form of consciousness, but why should we leave this stone unturned?

Why do guys that want to bone another guy try to always justify it?

Just go have sex with your buddy, we won't make fun of you.......much

Point taken ;) . I still think this is interesting though.

"Make known the unknown!"

...or as Dr. Key put it:

“Search […] for something that has been around for a long time, is taken for granted, so obvious as to have remained unseen, undiscovered, repressed, or hidden from public view intentionally or otherwise. Every society has such hidden, tacitly forbidden intellectual treasures that await discovery and illumination. Find out what is not discussed, not studied, not critically examined. Ignore what lies on the surface, what everyone else perceives, argues over, and finds threatening. Societies conceal their exposed nerve endings, which, when examined, become fearsome and painful. But, as mentioned earlier, ‘No pain, no gain!’”

-Wilson Bryan Key, The age of manipulation (p. 58)

[element]

I don't agree. Sure, sex is part of a very low form of consciousness, but why should we leave this stone unturned?
I am not saying it like that. Identifying yourself as homosexual, bisexual or heterosexual is useless. Follow your instinct, if you feel attracted to a male or female, go with the flow. From a spiritual point of view, it makes no difference whether your attracted to a male or a female. And there's no point in labelling yourself as hetero/homo/bi sexual. This is all temporary.

[filip]

I am not saying it like that. Identifying yourself as homosexual, bisexual or heterosexual is useless. Follow your instinct, if you feel attracted to a male or female, go with the flow. From a spiritual point of view, it makes no difference whether your attracted to a male or a female. And there's no point in labelling yourself as hetero/homo/bi sexual. This is all temporary.

I see. I agree.

However, in the dream of this physical reality people do identify with their sexuality a lot, and there are labels on everything... This seems strange in the light of some historical facts - that bisexuality was the norm in ancient Greece, for example. I feel that there is too much of a gap here to just go on as if everything made sense...

Does anyone else see this the way I do? Any other thoughts on this?

[heterophobia]

I understand what you were trying to say, but Satanic Ritualistic sexual practices has nothing to do with genuine sexual orientation. The Satanic nonsense that goes on at Bohemian Grove and a child molesting Black Magician like Aleister Crowley should not be used to claim that all people are Bisexual. The idea that everybody is Bisexual doesn't piss me off, but the examples you used to prove your point were not good.

Anyway, a very rough estimation of human sexuality would be 10% gay 10% straight 80% Bisexual, but there are varying degrees of Bisexuality it depends on your level of comfort.

[arty2000]

About 80% of humanity is bisexual. The vast minority is heterosexual.

ummm sorry,but do the math:D

[measle_weasel]

This theory will piss a lot of people off, but please try to keep an open mind about it. It's just a theory after all...

What if we are all bisexual, but we have been taught to suppress, fear and be ashamed of our homosexual side?

Just think about it - bisexuality was the norm in ancient Greece, and from what I have read homosexuality is apparently common among otherwise straight men at the Bohemian Grove (the "elite"). Add to that all the reports about members of the elite who are having gay relationships on the side, as well as Alister Crowleys "sex magick" rituals... Perhaps these people knew/know that bisexuality is something normal while manipulating the masses to think it's something shameful in order to control us?

Also, subliminal advertising often plays on latent homosexuality (see "The Age of Manipulation" by Dr. Key).

What are your thoughts on this?

How would open bisexuality be empowering to the people?

[enga]

This theory will piss a lot of people off, but please try to keep an open mind about it. It's just a theory after all...

What if we are all bisexual, but we have been taught to suppress, fear and be ashamed of our homosexual side?

Just think about it - bisexuality was the norm in ancient Greece, and from what I have read homosexuality is apparently common among otherwise straight men at the Bohemian Grove (the "elite"). Add to that all the reports about members of the elite who are having gay relationships on the side, as well as Alister Crowleys "sex magick" rituals... Perhaps these people knew/know that bisexuality is something normal while manipulating the masses to think it's something shameful in order to control us?

Also, subliminal advertising often plays on latent homosexuality (see "The Age of Manipulation" by Dr. Key).

What are your thoughts on this?

I think most people are in the right circumstances. Most people have a preference one way or the other and given choice they will go for what gender they like most. However when peoples choice is limited they seem to broaden their views and go with the least preferred gender, e.g. people in prison with only the same gender quite often end up in relationships even though they are straight when free.

[metacomet]

Why do guys that want to bone another guy try to always justify it?


Hahaha, I think the same thing to myself when all these topics rise up.

"Hey guys, maybe we're all naturally bisexual!"

Awww that's cute. You don't have to make excuses, fella. Go have fun.

[pinkfreud]

identifying your Self with your sexuality makes you sink deeper in the physical realm.

[merlincove]

Being bisexual at least doubles your chances of pulling lol

[filip]

I think most people are in the right circumstances. Most people have a preference one way or the other and given choice they will go for what gender they like most. However when peoples choice is limited they seem to broaden their views and go with the least preferred gender, e.g. people in prison with only the same gender quite often end up in relationships even though they are straight when free.

Thank you for your input!

Anyway, it doesn't seem as though we'll get anywhere with this here and now. Also, I don't have the energy to deal with an angry mob, and I think there's one waiting around the corner.

I'm out.

[element]

identifying your Self with your sexuality makes you sink deeper in the physical realm.
Being bisexual at least doubles your chances of pulling lol

Truthful comments. :D

[redskywalker]

We all start off female, the clever ones make a break for it :p
Are we all any one thing at any one time? I don't think so. I believe in love, I believe in souls, soul groups, and I believe in soul mates. I believe they come in all different shapes and sizes colours and creeds and when you find them you know more about yourself.
Many obstacles are in place to prevent people being with people in any form daily, so my view,
just another box.

[da1reppinqnz]

wtf is this? david icke promoting homosexuality... fuck that man .. man ...woman.....man...woman...man...woman... n so on... dont mess up the cycle

[arty2000]

wtf is this? david icke promoting homosexuality... fuck that man .. man ...woman.....man...woman...man...woman... n so on... dont mess up the cycle

ummm you know you typed... fuck that man.... before you said man...woman;)

[liltroofer]

commendations on making me laugh out loud from the thread title alone

having gotten in here now, probably everyone has somebody who can treat them right in that special way we all - or most - enjoy being treated. is that other person ultimately a man or woman? who knows or cares if it gets the job done.

for heterosexual people, the same gender just can't do it i guess. for homosexual, the opposite is true. oh well! guess it's all personal!

[metacomet]

We all start off female, the clever ones make a break for it :p


That's right. At some point, what would be the clitoris, becomes a penis. And what is the vaginal canal and ovaries become a pair of testicles etc.

We are all females to begin with, but the hormone levels of the carrying mother determine our sexuality later on in development.

I am still interested in the idea (as mentioned by someone on the forum being in the Tibetan Book of the Dead explaining reincarnation) that we choose our sexuality before we are born by deciding which parent we are most attracted to. This seems gross but you must realize that what we are choosing is not just the physical body but the spiritual and emotional makeup.

If you are interested in being with a softer, more emotionally complex (and therefore interesting) person in your life, perhaps you choose to become a male so you can be with women.

And if you are attracted to strength and solidarity (i.e. emotional stability), perhaps you choose to become a female so you can be with men.

Either way the decision could have been ours, not just the mothers. Did our mother produce a certain level of hormones because she was influencing our sexuality, or was it we who triggered hormonal releases in our mother in order to promote the sexual gender we had chosen.

It's a chicken and the egg thing so I'll try not to fall down that rabbit hole.

Bisexuality is understandable for me in that perhaps we find both soft and strong qualities attractive. Or perhaps we somehow 'changed our mind'...

Or perhaps our mother struck out while standing at the plate and a person can be born the 'wrong sex'. These are complex issues.

The idea of being attracted to another male is hard to understand because other males can aggravate and provoke competitive outbursts. This is good for me, and I like it. I like to compete against, and beat other males. I understand the idea of loving them only so far in that I understand them to be my brothers and sharing my duty as being a 'man' (protecting women and children). But to be honest, the average homosexual male does not share my duty as being a 'man' and seems incapable of protecting himself against emotional harm let alone actual physical problems. This may sound bigoted but it's the truth so often. A modern homosexual male is not competitive enough to protect himself against other males, let alone be expected to protect women or children. This lack of testosterone can be observed in children growing up (trust me, I have a relative.)

This has nothing to do with his physicality but with how he is on the inside. There are plenty of strong gay men. But they are not the creators of stereotypes, it's the effeminate man who controls the stereotype.

What about a homosexual or bisexual female?

Well, the female archetype is already primed for a non-competitive atmosphere of nurturing, acceptance, emotional vulnerability etc. I can understand finding one another beautiful or craving feminine personality traits from a partner.

I think both the bisexual/homosexual male and the bisexual/homosexual female are for some reason or another repulsed by the heterosexual male for his competitive traits or emotional blandness. This is understandable. Especially considering how far male sexuality has been amplified by world presence.

But not for me, I enjoy being competitive and having objective control of my emotions. Both gay and straight men anger me and women are fascinating and lovely. Bisexuality is a complex issue.

[deathcultreject]

This theory will piss a lot of people off, but please try to keep an open mind about it. It's just a theory after all...

What if we are all bisexual, but we have been taught to suppress, fear and be ashamed of our homosexual side?

Just think about it - bisexuality was the norm in ancient Greece, and from what I have read homosexuality is apparently common among otherwise straight men at the Bohemian Grove (the "elite"). Add to that all the reports about members of the elite who are having gay relationships on the side, as well as Alister Crowleys "sex magick" rituals... Perhaps these people knew/know that bisexuality is something normal while manipulating the masses to think it's something shameful in order to control us?

Also, subliminal advertising often plays on latent homosexuality (see "The Age of Manipulation" by Dr. Key).

What are your thoughts on this?

It would mean that all the macho low empathy arseholes that harass women would harass men as well.

Good.

That way they'd get beaten up more.

:p

[metacomet]

It would mean that all the macho low empathy arseholes that harass women would harass men as well.


You mean bisexual macho arseholes?

Weren't those the greek fraternal warrior societies? Very macho, very mean, very gay. :p

[deathcultreject]

You mean bisexual macho arseholes?

Weren't those the greek fraternal warrior societies? Very macho, very mean, very gay. :p

They had codes of gentlemanly conduct amongst themselves, but it was a kind of exclusively Athenian thing to extend it to people outside their elite.

I suppose the world was lucky that Alexander built his empire on an Athenian education.

It could have been much worse.

[luciferhorus]

http://www.jessefrancis.com/images_antiwar/02/animal_homosexual_behavior_judah_christian_school_ 1.jpg

"No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphids. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

http://schooloffish.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/free_thinker.jpg

Christians

Essentially the homophobic Christians believe that same gender relationships are 'sinful (i.e., evil)' but this begs the question of why their Creator did not impart this belief into the minds of the animal kingdom.

'The Sin of Restriction'

Animals simply follow their nature. We humans however are subjected to the thousands of moral laws of the world's religions; this is what Nietzsche referred to as 'slave morality;' the 'ubermenshce (superior man or woman)' simply follows their own nature; irrespective of the many of laws laid down for the slaves of religious hypnosis by the slave masters and their priests who have sought to restrict human freedom and happiness. This is also entirely what Crowley referred to as the 'sin of restriction.' The person who is truly free discards all the laws of restriction of the the world's religions and tyrants and simply follows their own true will.

Love and Light

Lucifer
Aeon of Lucifer 2009

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Sex is the most powerful instinct in man. The politician and the priest have understood from the very beginning that sex is the most driving energy in man. It has to be curtailed, it has to be cut. If man is allowed total Freedom in sex, then there will be no possibility to dominate him. To make a slave out of him will be impossible.

Have you not seen it being done? When you want a bull to be yoked to a cart, what do you do? You castrate him, you destroy his sex energy. And have you seen the difference between a bull and an ox? What a difference! An ox is a poor phenomenon, a slave. A bull is a beauty; a bull is a glorious pheonomenon, a great splendor. See a bull walking, how he walks like an emperor! And see an ox pulling a cart.

The same has been done to man. The sex instinct has been curtailed, cut, crippled. Man does not exist as the bull now, he exists like the ox, and each man is pulling a thousand and one carts. Look and you will find behind you a thousand and one carts, and you are yoked to them.

Why can’t you yoke a bull? The bull is too powerful. If he sees a cow passing by, he will throw both you and the cart, and he will move to the cow! He will not bother a bit about who you are, and he will not listen. It will be impossible to control the bull. Sex energy is life energy; it is uncontrollable. And the politician and the priest are not interested in you, they are interested in channeling your energy into other directions. So there is a certain Mechanism behind it--it has to be understood.

Sex repression, tabooing sex, is the very foundation of human slavery. Man cannot be free unless sex is free. Man cannot be really free unless his sex energy is allowed natural growth.

http://www.miodestino.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/lingerie_dr_evil_surgery.jpg

These are the five tricks through which man has been turned into a slave, into an ugly phenomenon, a cripple.

The first is:
Keep man as weak as possible if you want to dominate him. If the priest wants to dominate you or the politician wants to dominate you, you have to be kept as weak as possible. And the best way to keep a man weak is not to give love total freedom. Love is nourishment..."

"...Second:
Keep man as ignorant and deluded as possible so that he can easily be deceived..."

"...The third secret:
Keep man as frightened as possible. And the sure way is not to allow him love, because love destroys fear--’love casteth out fear.’ When you are not in love you become more interested in security, in safety. When you are in love you are more interested in adventure, in exploration...."

"...The Fourth:
Keep man as miserable as possible--because a miserable man is confused, a miserable man has no self-worth, a miserable man is self-condemnatory, a miserable man feels that he must have done something wrong. A miserable man has no grounding--you can push him from here and there, he can be turned into driftwood very easily. And a miserable man is always ready to be commanded, to be ordered, to be disciplined, because he knows ’On my own I am simply miserable. Maybe someody else can discipline my life.’ He is a ready victim."

"And the fifth:
Keep men as alienated from each other as possible, so that they cannot band together for some purpose of which the priest and the politician may not approve. Keep people separate from each other. Don’t allow them too much intimacy. When people are separate, lonely, alienated from each other, they cannot band together. And there are a thousand and one tricks to keep them apart.

For example, if you are holding the hand of a man--you are a man and you are holding the hand of a man and walking down the road, singing--you will feel guilty because people will start looking at you. Are you gay, homosexual or something? Two men are not allowed to be happy together. They are condemned as homosexuals. Fear arises. If your friend comes and takes your hand in his hand, you look around: ’Is somebody looking or not?’ And you are just in a hurry to drop the hand..."

-Osho
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j248/jaynecounty/Tim2-11_half.jpg

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."
—AL. I. 40.
"thou hast no right but to do thy will. Do that, and no
other shall say nay." —AL. I. 42–3.
"Every man and every woman is a star." —AL. I. 3.
There is no god but man.
..>..>
..> 1. Man has the right to live by his own law—to live in the way that he wills to do:to work as he will:to play as he will:to rest as he will:to die when and how he will.
2. Man has the right to eat what he will:to drink what he will:to dwell where he will:to move as he will on the face of the earth.
3. Man has the right to think what he will:to speak what he will:to write what he will:to draw, paint, carve, etch, mould, build as he will:to dress as he will.
4. Man has the right to love as he will:—"take your fill and will of love as ye will,when, where, and with whom ye will." —AL. I. 51.
5. Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights...>

"Love is the law, love under will." —AL. I. 57

AC
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[deathcultreject]

Thanks for the list of dirty tricks LH :)

I'll correlate it onto the gang stalking / mind control phenomenon, and see if it gives me any new tactics or targets for defensive magics.

[joe911]

This theory will piss a lot of people off, but please try to keep an open mind about it. It's just a theory after all...

What if we are all bisexual, but we have been taught to suppress, fear and be ashamed of our homosexual side?

Just think about it - bisexuality was the norm in ancient Greece, and from what I have read homosexuality is apparently common among otherwise straight men at the Bohemian Grove (the "elite"). Add to that all the reports about members of the elite who are having gay relationships on the side, as well as Alister Crowleys "sex magick" rituals... Perhaps these people knew/know that bisexuality is something normal while manipulating the masses to think it's something shameful in order to control us?

Also, subliminal advertising often plays on latent homosexuality (see "The Age of Manipulation" by Dr. Key).

What are your thoughts on this?

Its certainly a possiblity,if there was no predjudice or hatred in the world then im sure that there would be alot more bisexual relationships out there.
Its all down to preference tho,ive known bisexual guys who you would think were straight but they have both bfs & gfs :)

[mind1universe]

We are both male and female, its just a polarization and an illusuion. so the answer is we are actually bixsexual. We actually choose to one or the other or one more than the other.But at the end of the day, you have both maleand female within you. Its all about balance. So Its not wrong to be either hetrosexual of homosexual. Its actually more logic in been bixsexual, becauase it means you are more balanced as soul and not just be gender.

Humanity is still so young judging by some of silly comments on this board. Still cot up by society:rolleyes:

[entrangermercenary]

Well bisexuality hmmm what a question :eek: Well If I feel that way inclined I usually swap hands . The reason I do that is one hand has more calluses on than the other so is more manly. So smooth hand female , ruff hand bisexual ;)

[lauren_almighty]

I sometimes feel attracted to other girls in a sexual way. I wouldn't do anything like that with another girl though.
I wouldn't say that I'm bisexual but more like bicurious ;)

[lupa]

i like how its all male or female lol you either have to be with this or with that (boxes/labels) i'm bi-sexual-transsexual and i just see beings..if i like them..i like them ..simple. i never think its a man or a woman, it's an X kinda thing..whether male or female you must have that certain "something" going on.

there are more closet bi-sexual beings in this world than you could imagine.

i personally believe that we are all BI..unfortunatly some of you have been so programmed into the un-spoken rules of society that you will never be able to escape it...
never mind eh :p

[entrangermercenary]

i like how its all male or female lol you either have to be with this or with that (boxes/labels) i'm bi-sexual-transsexual and i just see beings..if i like them..i like them ..simple. i never think its a man or a woman, it's an X kinda thing..whether male or female you must have that certain "something" going on.

there are more closet bi-sexual beings in this world than you could imagine.

i personally believe that we are all BI..unfortunatly some of you have been so programmed into the un-spoken rules of society that you will never be able to escape it...
never mind eh :p


I like that outlook very much :) You are also right about the boxs and programming. I can honestly say ive never had that x thing going on with another bloke, spose thats down to the programming tho !!Bummer really :D

[lupa]

I like that outlook very much :) You are also right about the boxs and programming. I can honestly say ive never had that x thing going on with another bloke, spose thats down to the programming tho !!Bummer really :D

yup bummer to programming :D

[wisdomgirl]

Us human beings love to judge, we've been taught to judge but at the end of the day loving another human being isn't wrong, weather that other human being is the same sex as you loving them is not wrong. Religion tells us it's wrong when it isn't, how can loving someone be wrong? The sex doesn't matter it's the least important thing. People have been conditioned to think a certain way about things instead of people choosing to live the way they want to and not be ashamed of who they are or who they love.

The orginal poster is just asking a very good question, what if all human beings are naturally bi-sexual? It's a good question and something we should just think about. Because if we are then religion is wrong, surpressing one's natural urges is dangerous just look at catholic priests abusing children. They do that because sex within that faith as a priest is forbidden but the humans natrual urge to pracdise sex is surpressed which is dangerous to every human being who comes into contact with them. Sex is not shamefull or dirty it's what we are made to do, just with other adults weather there male or female.

[size_of_light]

I see it's time for another one of our regular boneheaded discussions about sex.

[cruise4]

We've been so messed about with in so many ways it's anyone's guess what we should have been like. So whilst it's an investigation, judgements are best left out of the whole affair, on the whole.

[the nine]

This theory will piss a lot of people off, but please try to keep an open mind about it. It's just a theory after all...

What if we are all bisexual, but we have been taught to suppress, fear and be ashamed of our homosexual side?

Just think about it - bisexuality was the norm in ancient Greece, and from what I have read homosexuality is apparently common among otherwise straight men at the Bohemian Grove (the "elite"). Add to that all the reports about members of the elite who are having gay relationships on the side, as well as Alister Crowleys "sex magick" rituals... Perhaps these people knew/know that bisexuality is something normal while manipulating the masses to think it's something shameful in order to control us?

Also, subliminal advertising often plays on latent homosexuality (see "The Age of Manipulation" by Dr. Key).

What are your thoughts on this?

bisexuals wil shag anything..men, women car exhausts if thats all thats available..:D
you get my drift!

[metacomet]

If I get turned on thinking about myself does that make me bisexual? :confused:

A guy in his prime can get excited just getting out of the shower with himself. Admire this, admire that, boom, before you know it you're aroused. Does that mean we can be gay for ourselves? :confused:

Definitely have no interest in other males getting out of the shower, but I do enjoy my own time.

I can only imagine what some females must feel :p And how many ways that can open them up to the idea of loving other women.

[tracker]

This theory will piss a lot of people off, but please try to keep an open mind about it. It's just a theory after all...

[B]What if we are all bisexual, but we have been taught to suppress, fear and be ashamed of our homosexual side?

well ----------------? then if it were true looks like things just might turn out ok for you then ah ?:D

nice fantasy but totally off the mark .:cool:

[lauren_almighty]

Definitely have no interest in other males getting out of the shower, but I do enjoy my own time.

I can only imagine what some females must feel :p And how many ways that can open them up to the idea of loving other women.


most females don't think in that way. women admire another woman's nakedness because the female form is much more beautiful than man's (please don't take offence, but most women believe this) but men do seem to get turned on no matter what naked form is standing in front of them. i have my female crushes but im not going to reveal who :p but i think that if i was ever to follow through with it, i dont think that i would be able to because although i am curious, there would be that underlying feeling that it is wrong.

[metacomet]

most females don't think in that way. women admire another woman's nakedness because the female form is much more beautiful than man's (please don't take offence, but most women believe this)

How dare you imply that women are more beautiful than men... it's an outright fact and it must be billboarded, not just implied ;). The era of the pretty boy is coming to a close sooner or later when men realize it's the girls who are to be beautiful, pampered, etc... not themself. *shudder* No offense to any metrosexuals or otherwise,

but men do seem to get turned on no matter what naked form is standing in front of them.

Well I personally was far from aroused during all my high school locker room days. Yet me and all the lads had the distinct feeling that there was no way a gaggle of beautiful young girls can stand around each other naked and wet and not be turned on. But then those girls must have denied being aroused as well... so is it a sick fantasy of both genders?

No. Girls naked and wet together really is awesome and nature has set that law not men. Now that we are grown we men come to realize girls really did sneak peeks and find each other attractive.

i have my female crushes but im not going to reveal who :p but i think that if i was ever to follow through with it, i dont think that i would be able to because although i am curious, there would be that underlying feeling that it is wrong.

I understand your point. I used to argue that homosexuality seemed 'wrong' to me but now I understand that it's just not attractive to me. Other men aren't attractive to me.

Women are, and women being attracted to women is very sexy. So I and many other guys are hypocrites about the homosexuality is wrong thing. Females can still pick the right directions, sometimes :rolleyes:. :D *dodges brick*

[i_am]

What if 'what if' just happened to be the most useless combination of words in the English Language (or any other for that matter)

We are who and /or what we are. No ifs, buts or maybes.

Be true to yourself and there is no need to involve anyone else in your personal choices, to explain yourself, to seek justification or to try to make anyone understand.

IMHO :D

[cruise4]

I can't agree with that I am...

We are who and /or what we are. Many ifs, many buts and many maybes. Or why are we on this forum?

[i_am]

Talking about sexual preferences/orientation :)

We will not find the answers to that on a forum but within ourselves.

[tracker]

this is true.

[tracker]

I can't agree with that I am...

We are who and /or what we are. Many ifs, many buts and many maybes. Or why are we on this forum?



yes but we are on this forum

no iffs or butts about it .

thus

what if we were all bisexuals ?????????

what if we were all kettles , or ---------------what if we were all indeed not bisexual

maybe it would be a happyer planet ah ?

:cool:

[luciferhorus]

Us human beings love to judge, we've been taught to judge but at the end of the day loving another human being isn't wrong, weather that other human being is the same sex as you loving them is not wrong. Religion tells us it's wrong when it isn't, how can loving someone be wrong? The sex doesn't matter it's the least important thing. People have been conditioned to think a certain way about things instead of people choosing to live the way they want to and not be ashamed of who they are or who they love.

The orginal poster is just asking a very good question, what if all human beings are naturally bi-sexual? It's a good question and something we should just think about. Because if we are then religion is wrong, surpressing one's natural urges is dangerous just look at catholic priests abusing children. They do that because sex within that faith as a priest is forbidden but the humans natrual urge to pracdise sex is surpressed which is dangerous to every human being who comes into contact with them. Sex is not shamefull or dirty it's what we are made to do, just with other adults weather there male or female.


http://www.neilhague.com/~neilh/images/photoalbum/album_4/the_world_t2.jpg

The Divine Hermaphrodite. Origin-Division-Union.

I have dealt with this many of these issues in my thread 'The Kabbalah Simplified' http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60278

However, just to expand and restate:

In all creation we see male and female, positive and negative. In the macro-universe, all the suns are magnetically positive surrounded by magnetically negative planets; in the micro-universe also we see a world of positivity and negativity; in the animal kingdom, almost without exception (there are a few hermaphrodites) we see only male and female; similarly in the human realm.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60278

http://www.neilhague.com/~neilh/images/photoalbum/album_4/magician_t2.jpg

The Singular immanent (within) Hermphroditic (from Hermes - Aphrodite) Origin of Creation Divided Her creation into male and female; these two divided halves seek physical and spiritual Union; this is entirely part of our 'true will' which the priesthood of the aristocracy have long sought to interfere with in order to enslave humanity. Guilt, fear and shame associated with this 'union' is totally unnatural and is merely a product of religious conditioning / hypnosis.

Neo-Wicca and Masonry

http://www.neilhague.com/~neilh/images/photoalbum/album_4/emperess.jpg

The 'modern rites' of Wicca, although a modern reworking, are based on the rties of the ancient mystery shcools and borrow in 'part' from Masonry (see http://www.northernway.org/school/onw/folk/les2.html).

In 'all' the classic Neo-Wiccan rites, there is a necessity for male and females; and much of the rites revolve around the union of the male and female energies; even if there are is no 'actual' sexual union, the rites revolve around the symbolic sexual and spiritual union.
http://www.neilhague.com/~neilh/images/photoalbum/album_4/puppet_t2.jpg
http://www.neilhague.com/~neilh/images/photoalbum/album_4/emperor_t2.jpg

In Masonry, which is entirely a cult which women are excluded from, there is no 'priestess' or female energy used in their rituals, and thus the result is an imbalance, and a cult of paternalists.



Thus Neo-Wicca which is a rapidly growing movement, correctly addresses this imbalance; the Wicca and feminist movements are thus entwining.

Image of the Creator.

When you see me (I am male), you see the father, you hear his voice, you are confronted with his divine nature. When you see any of my billions of sisters, you see the mother, you are confronted with her divine image.

http://www.neilhague.com/~neilh/images/photoalbum/album_4/lovers_t2.jpg

Thus the Holy Trinity is not three Creators, but rather the divine image of a male and female entwined in love and lust. Two lovers kissing or having sex for example; there you will see the Creator and the perfection of the Holy Trinity. No temple nor icon nor idol can compare with such a divine image.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60278


Attachment.

It is common for a soul who is lonely to say that they seek their ’other half;’ this is because a male ’is’ the other half of Creation to a female and vice versa. Alone, we are less godlike; as a pair of lovers, we are completely and perfectly godlike.

’Oneness’ with the Creator cannot be found meditating on a rock, for the Creator is an immanent (within us) hermaphroditic being and thus to become ’one’ with our Creator requires oneness with another ’half’ through love and lust.

Attachment is quite normal and not to be resisted, but the attachment which love brings has nothing to do with monogamy, which is an unnatural state and a consequence of the fall and the temptation of the serpents (priests) of organised religion and government who have sought to control, hypnotise and enslave humanity. There are no completely monogamous animals or indeed human beings; monogamy is an unnatural state imposed on a slave or a hypnotist victim of the priesthood; the body of a slave may be monogamous but the mind always rebels and in the realm of fantasy we act out our true nature. (Ibid)



The Divine Hermaphrodite

It is my view that we are bisexual creatures, as are most of the higher animals. The experience of same gender sex allows us to experience both active and passive roles; we all contain male and female hormones; we are all partly hermaphroditic; indeed often when the Creator is portrayed in Kabbalistic art, it is as a divine hermaphrodite. Generally bisexual experiences it makes us more loving people, whereas those who are homophobic are generally filled with hatred of others and self hatred. (Ibid)

That which we repress, we become obsessed with

Love and sex are divine (godlike) sacraments (sacre mentis / sacredmind); those who do not partake of the sacraments become filled with hatred and repression; that which we repress, we become obsessed with, which pershaps explains why so many celibate priests have a habit of raping children; a sexually fulfilled person, surrounded by love / lovers would never behave that way. (ibid)


Lucifer
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Sex is the most powerful instinct in man. The politician and the priest have understood from the very beginning that sex is the most driving energy in man. It has to be curtailed, it has to be cut. If man is allowed total Freedom in sex, then there will be no possibility to dominate him. To make a slave out of him will be impossible.

Have you not seen it being done? When you want a bull to be yoked to a cart, what do you do? You castrate him, you destroy his sex energy. And have you seen the difference between a bull and an ox? What a difference! An ox is a poor phenomenon, a slave. A bull is a beauty; a bull is a glorious pheonomenon, a great splendor. See a bull walking, how he walks like an emperor! And see an ox pulling a cart.

The same has been done to man. The sex instinct has been curtailed, cut, crippled. Man does not exist as the bull now, he exists like the ox, and each man is pulling a thousand and one carts. Look and you will find behind you a thousand and one carts, and you are yoked to them.

Why can’t you yoke a bull? The bull is too powerful. If he sees a cow passing by, he will throw both you and the cart, and he will move to the cow! He will not bother a bit about who you are, and he will not listen. It will be impossible to control the bull. Sex energy is life energy; it is uncontrollable. And the politician and the priest are not interested in you, they are interested in channeling your energy into other directions. So there is a certain Mechanism behind it--it has to be understood.

Sex repression, tabooing sex, is the very foundation of human slavery. Man cannot be free unless sex is free. Man cannot be really free unless his sex energy is allowed natural growth.

These are the five tricks through which man has been turned into a slave, into an ugly phenomenon, a cripple.

The first is:
Keep man as weak as possible if you want to dominate him. If the priest wants to dominate you or the politician wants to dominate you, you have to be kept as weak as possible. And the best way to keep a man weak is not to give love total freedom. Love is nourishment..."

"...Second:
Keep man as ignorant and deluded as possible so that he can easily be deceived..."

"...The third secret:
Keep man as frightened as possible. And the sure way is not to allow him love, because love destroys fear--’love casteth out fear.’ When you are not in love you become more interested in security, in safety. When you are in love you are more interested in adventure, in exploration...."

"...The Fourth:
Keep man as miserable as possible--because a miserable man is confused, a miserable man has no self-worth, a miserable man is self-condemnatory, a miserable man feels that he must have done something wrong. A miserable man has no grounding--you can push him from here and there, he can be turned into driftwood very easily. And a miserable man is always ready to be commanded, to be ordered, to be disciplined, because he knows ’On my own I am simply miserable. Maybe someody else can discipline my life.’ He is a ready victim."

"And the fifth:
Keep men as alienated from each other as possible, so that they cannot band together for some purpose of which the priest and the politician may not approve. Keep people separate from each other. Don’t allow them too much intimacy. When people are separate, lonely, alienated from each other, they cannot band together. And there are a thousand and one tricks to keep them apart.

For example, if you are holding the hand of a man--you are a man and you are holding the hand of a man and walking down the road, singing--you will feel guilty because people will start looking at you. Are you gay, homosexual or something? Two men are not allowed to be happy together. They are condemned as homosexuals. Fear arises. If your friend comes and takes your hand in his hand, you look around: ’Is somebody looking or not?’ And you are just in a hurry to drop the hand..."

-Osho



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Images from: http://www.neilhague.com/~neilh/photogallery.php?album_id=4&rowstart=12

[thirdwave]

this is an interesting question...

I think what it comes down to is understanding the feminine and the masculine... separate from the man and the woman...

I don't think we can say all are bi... or that gay is wrong... or being straight is wrong...so on...

I think it depends on the state you are in and what you crave and emotionally need...

for example, a 5 yo boy craves feminine affection from his mothers, but this does not mean he cant be gay when he grows up.... or that he wants to have sex with women at the age of 5.

I think it all depends on the individual ... there is no natural answer other than we all have our own sexuality... I think the reason there are more bi and gay people today is because its simply easier to express it and find others like your self, as opposed to how in the past you were forced to hide and keep it under ground... and that oppression still does exist, which is why so many guy or bi people can be a bit flamboyant with it, almost like a flavour of defence.

we all have our own journey for some of us sex is female thing... others its a male thing.. and others its both.... as it has alot to do with how we grow up and the experiences we go through that create the emotions and desires we have... our true will is the only truth.

[thirdwave]

i like how its all male or female lol you either have to be with this or with that (boxes/labels) i'm bi-sexual-transsexual and i just see beings..if i like them..i like them ..simple. i never think its a man or a woman, it's an X kinda thing..whether male or female you must have that certain "something" going on.

there are more closet bi-sexual beings in this world than you could imagine.

i personally believe that we are all BI..unfortunatly some of you have been so programmed into the un-spoken rules of society that you will never be able to escape it...
never mind eh :p

I see what you are saying, but if one is getting their all out of women... then that is not oppression as such... and the reason he would not go for a guy is there would simply not be the energy there required to turn him on enough to do anything about it...

should he be sleeping with lots of women and get to the point where he still feels there is something missing in his life then it may well be because of the points you have made, but often men or women are fully satisfied with interaction with the opposite sex... with no spaces unfilled.

in a way its like saying all men are boxers, because we all have testosterone and have an extinct to defend and fight our corner...so on... no it does not mean we are all boxers... we all express our selves in our own way..

[glacidtek]

I find it funny reading through this thread..... everyones view is based on 'sex'.

Where is the talk of 'love'?

Who cares who loves who, or what sex they are - this is a distraction to keep us all dumb...... hope you are enjoying being mislead and polarised.

[thirdwave]

I find it funny reading through this thread..... everyones view is based on 'sex'.

Where is the talk of 'love'?

Who cares who loves who, or what sex they are - this is a distraction to keep us all dumb...... hope you are enjoying being mislead and polarised.

thats because its about being BioSEXual :)

not about living people...

its about sexual preference :)

[glacidtek]

exactly..... sex should be based on love- not just sexual attraction..... not about short term gratification, but about sharing your life with someone.

does it matter if thats a man or a woman?

[thirdwave]

exactly..... sex should be based on love- not just sexual attraction..... not about short term gratification, but about sharing your life with someone.

does it matter if thats a man or a woman?

I dont agree entirely... I think lust is perfectly ok.... sex does not mean love, its just great having sex with someone you love... because the energy expressed is so wonderful.

two people who don't love each other as such should be able to enjoy a night of sex with mutual respect though... there is nothing wrong with that IMO.

[glacidtek]

each to their own then I gues..... my views are probably cloured by the fact that I am in love!

[drooh]

I don't think we're all necessarily bisexual by default and that this is what is repressed across the board - for some people it is, but I think the issue is something entirely different which I will get to.

As stated, some of us are bisexual, just as some of us are gay and some of us straight. This is what I imply when I use the term default. Different hormonal levels, poly-genetic mutations and brain structure dictate (so I am told) which sex you lean towards in terms of what does it for you.

As for me - I am a nature and nurture guy in terms of perspective on sexuality. I believe that on top of what we veer towards by default, we're also all situationally sexual. That our tastes are all on a sliding scale between gay and straight behaviours that typically revert back to point A state.

I consider myself predominantly straight, but I think if not for the societal conditioning and programming - in another time and place I would probably be out there experimenting with my sexuality as would many guys - but it would be out of pure curiosity more than inherent, hard-wired in desire I think. Seeing how it compares to being with a girl kinda thing, I would likely revert to point A (straight) though once I had dabbled.

I reckon that gay men and women would probably do the same with the opposite sex too before returning to their point A (gay).

The bisexuals would be the exception to this and slide backwards and forwards on that scale. :D

Comparitively between men and women, I find women more pleasing to look at you see. There's something left to my imagination... The softer skin, long eyelashes and curves do it for me. Where as with a man, I find it hard to feel anything because everything they have, well so do I. Men are crude like a cave painting, women... I dunno, just like them better is all. Can't articulate it well. :p

Back on the issue of people being situationally sexual. Take prisons for example. There's the cliche that here is where men are supposedly reduced into bitch and butch status. 'Bottom' and 'top' respectively.

I think our curiosity regarding sexual experimentation is repressed and subdued though by the society we live in. The labels spared to the peoples who engage in the lifestyle behaviours and choices are things many don't want pinned on them for their inflammatory connotations.

Religions and standard culture are good examples of the institutions responsible for the labels and their connotations. If you are a man perceived to be engaging in gay sex then on top of being gay, you're subject to derisive terms like fag, bummer, puff etc.

Terms like, 'that guy lurves the cock' etc and other perceivably offensive terms which I only put her to illustrate my point. To have those feelings and make those choices has you made out to be sissy and effeminate and men in general are highly protective of their masculine, patriarchal face of being dominant in all things. Straight forward, binary, phallic and initiative in all things.

To be gay, bisexual or to be seen searching/experimenting with those behaviours and thus, being seen to be receptive, passive - all the things culture up until now explicitly associates with femininity means you are perceived to be the bitch. It also represents a non-alpha male status, a loss of authority and a sense of subservience.

There is the convention I have noticed where if two men who are friends are playfully suggested to be something more in conversation, the two fight over the position of which man is the dominant and thus, non-receptive partner in the hypothetical pairing.

Any cultural group in history where ideas and exploration of self has been valued - ancient Greece, the Renaissance being two such periods - men and women would have dabbled for more frequently and there wasn't the social stigma for such acts. Ancient Greece valued the love of your fellow man as one of the highest expressions of love.

The Japanese samurai and Roman centurions of times past encouraged such exploration and pairings from what I have read - reckoned it meant greater unity and coordinated efforts on the battle field.

Nowadays expressions of tactile affection between guys have an eyebrow raised at them unless the context in which they happen is understood implicitly by all witnesses involved. Even as something as simple as two brothers hugging each other - one of my friends had issues with hugging his brother during his brothers birthday for too long lest people got the wrong idea.

I am guilty of this myself in fairness. I don't think these behaviours will go away any time soon unless there is a massive upheaval in culture and society right across the planet.

I'll conclude this with the perhaps controversial view that there's probably far less of an issue of women being gay or bi, or experimenting with the associated behaviours of those labels than it is for men. This is because emotive, tactile behaviour is more socially acceptable in women throughout history. Due to this behaviour coming more naturally to them they're in more of a position to explore more easily should they so desire.

[awakeorasleep]

I will show this thread to my fianceee and persuade her to invite another woman into our bedroom, if she refuses I will tell her she is going against nature. Before she can turn the tables and demand another man I will create the thread "No, we're all heterosexual after all". The perfect crime.;)

[adbasque]

This theory will piss a lot of people off, but please try to keep an open mind about it. It's just a theory after all...

What if we are all bisexual, but we have been taught to suppress, fear and be ashamed of our homosexual side?

Just think about it - bisexuality was the norm in ancient Greece, and from what I have read homosexuality is apparently common among otherwise straight men at the Bohemian Grove (the "elite"). Add to that all the reports about members of the elite who are having gay relationships on the side, as well as Alister Crowleys "sex magick" rituals... Perhaps these people knew/know that bisexuality is something normal while manipulating the masses to think it's something shameful in order to control us?

Also, subliminal advertising often plays on latent homosexuality (see "The Age of Manipulation" by Dr. Key).

What are your thoughts on this?

Why would they do that and then go to all the trouble in promoting it?
if they were this convinced about it why wouldn't they do it openly?
if you ask any of them, they'll tell we are not homosexuals nor bisexuals.

[adbasque]

I sometimes feel attracted to other girls in a sexual way. I wouldn't do anything like that with another girl though.
I wouldn't say that I'm bisexual but more like bicurious ;)

Women are more likely to have bisexual "adventures" than men.
Women naturally hug, caresse, touch, kiss even, so they are not far for men it's more complicated.

Although I have no interest in homosexuality or bisexuality, I am quite happy with the opposite sex.

[infinite_consciousness]

I don't think I was conditioned to think that way. I'm attracted to females. I have no desire to be with any dude.

[kassondra8]

I will show this thread to my fianceee and persuade her to invite another woman into our bedroom, if she refuses I will tell her she is going against nature. Before she can turn the tables and demand another man I will create the thread "No, we're all heterosexual after all". The perfect crime.;)

HAHA you're funny. Good luck with that. :D

I agree with Philip...I thought from a very young age that all humans are born with the potential to be bisexual. I think it has to do with society and upbringing, and the unique body each of us is born into. No one is truly male or female, that is a duality that exists here. The One is not male or female, and so neither are we. I am bisexual. I think it is a matter of opening one's mind to the possibility, and not being afraid of society's reaction, or worse, your friends. I think it downright hilarious how many males were offended by this thread, and felt the need to defend their "heterosexuality." Too identified with gender I think....but that's just me, lol. :)

[gracimusic]

This is an interesting question... From my experience, ALL the people at the top are bisexual, so that may mean something...

[bobbydiva]

Wasn't there a test conducted where when shown videos of sex women's brains showed excitiement for regular sex, animal sex, lesbian sex, gay sex and normal sex, and with men it was generally just lesbian sex and regular sex.

[thethirdeye]

Dr. Linda Garnets of UCLA
(”Our Erotic Personalities Are Unique as our Finger
prints,”) says that limiting ourselves to
heterosexuality places an unnecessary constriction
on human potential. When we overcome our fears of
homosexual expression, we will discover rich,
creative possibilities.

why should psychologist from APA
as dr LInda is, claim such a thing…if she is
right we should have same sex atractions…
who knows, in the future, the heteresexuals might
be seen as sick degraded persons…
and the morality as prejuce…..if you thing that
it is nasty to have sex with your own gender,
you are in denial of yourself, and after that
there will come another religion that will
restrict the pervesies, and again and again...
and people will remain stupid, and another
people will have another standards, and will
spend their emotions on another theme, and as
Einstein said, there are 2 unlimited things,
the space and the human stupidity, but he said
that he is not sure about the first thing:)

there is an agenda and if you don’t believe that
READ THE BOOK AFTER THE BALL writen by two very
intelligent gay psychiatrists.There are many
tactics that show how to change straight America morality.

http://www.article8.org/docs/gay_strategies/after_the_ball.htm
(read this and tell me that you are not manipulated today..)



ohh yea, I have one more aditional comment to make…
we are not all bisexuals..folowing the idea that same sex is good as opposite sex is good as all gay activist claimed and claim..we can conclude that bisexuals are on higher level than heteroxexuals and homosexuals because they can enjoy the both genres(isnt this prejuice towards homosexuals and heterosexuals??? I would call it bisexism) but only if we folow that idea. that same sex atraction is good....who dont have same sex atraction is limited...but if we say that same sex atraction is pervesion..than we have heteroxexuality the most pure sexuality......and bisexuality and homosexuality as pervesion...........so it is all computer progaming...........there isn't such a thing as sexual orientation........should pansexuals be the most sofisticated creatures???they feel atraction towards, animals, kids, males females..they have capacity for everything :confused: HAHAHA dont be funny


when somebody says that
we are all bisexuals he thinks of the capacity
for sex with the both genres…..Yea that's true,
we all have sexual “capacity” but the gender that
we are going to spend our capacity don’t have to
be our same sex gender……We all have capacity to
“love” children (pedophilia), to “love” animals
(zoophilia) to “love” dead bodies
(corophilia or necrophilia) etc….Aren’t we all
zoophiles, pedophiles etc….So some people like
to mistake the capacity with the object of desire...
Yea, under some circumstances everybody can become
bi–sexual, homosexual,zoophile, killer, drug
adict, we all have the potential to be junkies,
but that does not mean that we ARE ALL JUNKIES….
that is the distinction between IS and OUGHT TO BE…
that many people mistake…….Another argument is the
phrase ” we should love everybody and see everybodys
beauty”—-the confused bisexuals and homosexuals
think that because they have their emotional
romantic feelings everybody should have them…
But here is the contra argument……I love all my
friends, my parents, my crue, etc….I would die
for them…….I really love them…but that doesn’t
mean that I should feel sexual atraction towards
them….Love is the word that confuse many people,
it represents something beautiful, gorgeus,
so when it is mentioned by the LGBT community
we should feel guilty beacause we are not BISEXUALS
…funny….Mother Tereza wasn’t bisexual XD haha but
she loved all the world…..you see……it is all game
of words….and skillful propaganda…

It is intresty...how the morals of the people have been changed in this 40 years.....sex with the same sex.........was pervesion 40 years ago....now....we ARE ALL BISEXUALS..............this is fault logic....neither science or anything else can't tell us what is right and what is wrong...and are we all bisexuals or not........my opinion is that we are all computers...living in a Matrix...and the christian reality...is the same shit as satanistic reality........bisexuality, homosexuality and heterosexuality,,,are computer programs....not real events......if you ask a priest, homosexual behavior is sicknes in his reality...and for some of you it is even good.....so it is his word against yours...nothing more or less........so don't be fooled by this stupid systems..............read about zionists.... all this deconstructionistic theories are not real.........

[marpat]

This theory will piss a lot of people off, but please try to keep an open mind about it. It's just a theory after all...

What if we are all bisexual, but we have been taught to suppress, fear and be ashamed of our homosexual side?

Just think about it - bisexuality was the norm in ancient Greece, and from what I have read homosexuality is apparently common among otherwise straight men at the Bohemian Grove (the "elite"). Add to that all the reports about members of the elite who are having gay relationships on the side, as well as Alister Crowleys "sex magick" rituals... Perhaps these people knew/know that bisexuality is something normal while manipulating the masses to think it's something shameful in order to control us?

Also, subliminal advertising often plays on latent homosexuality (see "The Age of Manipulation" by Dr. Key).

What are your thoughts on this?

If you are bisexual how can you have a homosexual side? Crowley liked man sex so it is no suprised that he was interested in that sort of thing.

I did watch a documentary on the Gospel of Judas where christ invites him into his bed as part of an initiation.

Personally I thought that we are all androgynous in essence and you take the physical form according to what sex is required for any life cycle.

[bard]

What if we are all bisexual, but we have been taught to suppress, fear and be ashamed of our homosexual side?

Just think about it - bisexuality was the norm in ancient Greece, and from what I have read homosexuality is apparently common among otherwise straight men at the Bohemian Grove (the "elite"). Add to that all the reports about members of the elite who are having gay relationships on the side, as well as Alister Crowleys "sex magick" rituals... Perhaps these people knew/know that bisexuality is something normal while manipulating the masses to think it's something shameful in order to control us?

Also, subliminal advertising often plays on latent homosexuality (see "The Age of Manipulation" by Dr. Key).

What are your thoughts on this?

First, the question is stated incorrectly. The objective physical reality has
both Yin and Yang aspects (feminine and masculine) and this has very little to do with sexual orientation. We all have feminine and masculine side to our
psyche, because we are part of that very same objective physical reality.
When the feminine side of the male psyche (or the masculine side of the female psyche for that matter) is suppressed intentionally due to social conditioning, the individual looks for surrogate alternative ways to express
their full identity and this is how you see men dressing up in women's clothes and injecting themselves with female hormones and women-bodybuilders pumped up with steroids (I am not judging anybody just stating the facts).

If we look for example at the esoteric side of Christianity we clearly see the feminine side expressed in the image of the Virgin Mary:

http://celticrebel.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/vmvagina1.jpg http://celticrebel.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/vmvagina2.jpg

http://www.blogster.com/anaibendai/now-illustratedthe
(The "VAGINAL" Mary - Proof Of Subliminal Advertising In Sacred Art And Iconography From Pagan Times Through the Christian Age)

Regarding the elite's obsession with homosexual activities - it is true, and they use it both for ritual purposes purposes (a la Aleistair Crowley) and blackmailing of bisexual/straight men. The testimony of Kay Griggs tells more about it:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-341031042963487862&ei=sLtHSvf4BYP6lQeGz8yaAQ&q=kay+griggs

She says that this practice of homosexual recruiting originated with the Nazis, but one can probably trace this all the way back to the Templars, possibly even further. According to the story, they usually target men from broken homes (no father present while growing up). Those who succumb to the "temptation" rise up real quick in the pyramid. Actually Obama fits this profile quite well.

[cafetimes1991]

What if we are all bisexual, but we have been taught to suppress, fear and be ashamed of our homosexual side?

I'm bisexual. Leaning towards women though.

Despite misconceptions, bisexuality does not require that a person be attracted equally to both sexes. In fact, people who have a distinct but not exclusive preference for one sex over the other may still identify themselves as bisexual.

That would include me.
Actually,to spread awareness, I'm going to adopt the bisexual pride flag as my avatar for the next week. :cool: :)

[kassondra8]

[QUOTE=cafetimes1991;1081073]I'm bisexual. Leaning towards women though. QUOTE]

Yay for you! Personally I think that's pretty damn hot. ;)
I'm probably abnormal though....

[thethirdeye]

First, the question is stated incorrectly. The objective physical reality has
both Yin and Yang aspects (feminine and masculine) and this has very little to do with sexual orientation. We all have feminine and masculine side to our
psyche, because we are part of that very same objective physical reality.
When the feminine side of the male psyche (or the masculine side of the female psyche for that matter) is suppressed intentionally due to social conditioning, the individual looks for surrogate alternative ways to express
their full identity and this is how you see men dressing up in women's clothes and injecting themselves with female hormones and women-bodybuilders pumped up with steroids (I am not judging anybody just stating the facts).

Yea man you are right about many things......But I don't agree with the yin yang part ;)


this is just another philosophical view....not supported with facts or logic....There is not such an event that claims such a thing......It is created in the fantasy of the people...and it is real as Santa Claus is...
Even there are evidences that supports the opposite view.....

http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n11/mente/eisntein/cerebro-homens.html

males and females are very very diferent, biologicaly, psychologicaly and sexualy.............

there is another fact.........telling that bisexuality is the "NORMAL" sexuality and that every human is bisexual...that is NOT TRUE...there are many heterosexuals...that don't have anything female inside them...and they are happy.....because there is another fact.....if you say that you are male, female in male body, or the both etc....that JUST SHOWS the way you watch and see yourself....it depends of the object with whom you identificate with....If you identificate with your mother..you see yourself as female.....and the opposite if you identificate with your father you see yourself as a male...that doesn't mean that every human being have male and female part(but why some female would identificate herself with male, and the opposite :S it sounds stupid to me, but when it is supported by the political agenda and liberal sacred cows it is OK :) )......The most of the psychologists say that people that identificate theirselfes wrongly about their gender or age....(I am male but I think I am female...and it is not logical....because we all know that human mind is not really logical) than they have GID---gender identity disorder


Claiming that everybody is bisexual is discrimination towards other people with diferent sexual orientation......It is bisexism

Another fact.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/05/health/05sex.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2
this is a study that shows that bisexuality doesn't realy exist, it is a fiction...

the philosophies about yin and yang are many times wrongly interpretated
Believing in yin and yang, black and white...you remain slave of the Matrix....

The left and right hemisphere are about concious and unconcious mind.....not about male and female part.............claiming such a thing is distording of the science and truth........

Acording to my opinion........telling other people that pervesions and multiple sexual orgies, sado-masohism, paedophilia etc... are normal is madness..

How many of you know about NAMLBA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)....
it is strongly accepted by the APA...
It is a matter of time when the paedophilia will be NORMAL as homosexuality and bisexuality...."it is just a love and it is not bad".......

So after 30 years......if this retarded world exists, some people will write on this forum how paedophilia is part of everybody and we should love the children and have sexual relationships with them.........:)

The American Psychological Association's Monitor on Psychology recently published an article describing the creative possibilities of bisexual expression.

Dr. Linda Garnets of UCLA ("Our Erotic Personalities Are Unique as our Fingerprints,") says that limiting ourselves to heterosexuality places an unnecessary constriction on human potential. When we overcome our fears of homosexual expression, we will discover rich, creative possibilities.


Thus Dr. Garnets makes a statement of scientific fact (that people are capable of a wide range of sexual responsiveness) and then slips directly into an area that is the realm of philosophy and ethics (her judgment that sexual diversity is good). She ignores the is/ought distinction -- that "what is" is not necessarily "what ought to be."

Science cannot, of course, tell us whether a heterosexual ethic -- or a celebration of sexual diversity -- is right or wrong.


Still, had Dr. Garnets called instead for a monagamous, heterosexual ethic, she would have been dismissed as a heterosexist whose opinions should be limited to Sunday sermons. But when a psychologist's moral prescription calls for celebration of sexual diversity, her work is uncontroversial and is assumed to be a pronouncement of science. One cannot help but be taken by the irony.

This is my opinion.............I respect yours.....and this is just a debate...nothing more or less.....so I would be glad if you respect my:)

[mind1universe]

every HUMAN is bisexual less of your soceity crap please.

there is no such thing as been truly male or truly female. And you will never have the thrown in calling your facts as truth.

So how dare you try disort the universe to your retarded and blasphemy thinking. True human beings or E.Ts are mult gender or both.


Male and female simply means separation.

[thethirdeye]

every HUMAN is bisexual less of your soceity crap please.

there is no such thing as been truly male or truly female. And you will never have the thrown in calling your facts as truth.

So how dare you try disort the universe to your retarded and blasphemy thinking. True human beings or E.Ts are mult gender or both.


Male and female simply means separation.


FIRSTLY, TRY TO BE POLITE........
SECONDLY IF YOU WANT TO GET PENIS IN YOUR MOUTH AND PUT SOME STUFFS IN YOUR ASS, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYBODY WANTS IT...IT IS NOT OUR BUSINESS...WHAT YOU DO AND BELIEVE....

THIRDLY....YOUR OPINION IS FAR AWAY FROM FACT...IT IS ONLY FICTION IN YOUR DEGRADED PERVERSE MIND>..........I TOLD YOU....THIS IS MY OPINION, YOUR OPINION IS NOT MORE COMPETENT THAN MY...AND IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE REALITY MAN...I JUST TOLD THE THINGS LIKE THEY ARE, AND I KNOW THAT SOMETMES THE PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN BE DISAPOINTED THAT THEIR FANTASY IS ONLY FANTASY....MAN AND WOMAN MAY BE CONFUSING FOR YOU....I QUESS YOU DONT HAVE FATHER, OR YOU ARE TO CLOSE WITH YOUR MOTHER.....YOUR PEERS WERE KIDDING WITH YOU.....WHEN YOU WAS SMALL....OR THE MEDIA HAVE TOLD YOU THAT EVERY PERVERSE ACTIVITY IS NORMAL........I DON'T CARE...YOU ARE BISEXUAL FOR YOURSELF...DONT PUSH YOUR ORIENTATION TO THE OTHER PEOPLE PLEASE......

YOU ARE BISEXUAL NOT EVERBODY.........AND I RESPECT THAT...SO YOU SHOULD RESPECT MY SEXUAL ORIENTATION........

MAYBE THERE ARENT PURE MALE AND FEMALE IN YOUR PSYCHE...BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE OBJECTIVE REALITY..........

OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR PROBLEMS....

NEXT TIME YOU SHOULD SAY....I BELIEVE THAT WE ALL ARE BISEXUALS...OR HAVE CAPACITY...etc.........NOT< ALL PEOPLE ARE BISEXUALS....

AS I KNOW there are heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals, pansexuals, asexuals......etc etc...zoophiles.....puting your category as superior and real is the same discrimination as puting heterosexuality as superior............

MALE AND FEMALE IS WRONGLY UNDERSTOOD>.....MALE AND FEMALE ARE SOFTWARES
if you are male you have one software....if you are female you have another softwer...if you are male and female you have 2 softwares...you are double blinded.....THE ALLMIGHTY....is neither male neither female............but you want to get your point acording to what you believe is true, and that is called wishful thinking...it is distrotion in the belief systems of the people...saying that man and woman don't exist......is the same crazy fiction belief as saying that GOD WILL TAKE US ALL, that Satan rules with his demons...it is fiction thinking NOT BASED ON FACT.......today relativism has taken the place against the rationality and objectivity.....people believe that everything is not real...if you believe that we are dinosauruses...and if it works for you, it is ok XD please dont be funny..........read about zionism...and the plan of the illuminati to confuse the humanity.............

Don't take me wrongly...I am not agains anybodys sexual orientation...you can be supersexual if you want too:)or have fetish on old ladies:D,

but saying that we all are bisexuals.....or that we are all gays......(Matrix 5)..or all are straights(Bible).firstly it shows that YOU DON'T RESPECT OTHER PEOPLE.........and you are against other sexual orientation as heterosexuality or heterosexual morality, or homosexuality and homosexual ethic......I think mind1universe is heterophobic or homophobic......

40 years ago....you were fighting for you rights and didnt want to be discriminated....now...you are discriminating the heterosexuals and homosexuals....."all people are bisexuals"--shame on you,

When people get power, they want more of it...there is not such a thing as compromise or tolerance....if you give somebody one finger he takes your hand....I finaly understood, that true tolerance and diversity of opinions can just NO EXIST...there isnt such thing as diversity.........

Icke said.......everbody should have right on his own opinion....but when you push your opinion to other people...you are nothing better than the Illuminati....get used to it.....you must respect other people opinions

I AM SICK OF YOUR BISEXISM.....

[joe911]

I'm bisexual. Leaning towards women though

Same here,only id consider myself gay because the only girl i really love is hayley williams [paramore!]

[thethirdeye]

Same here,only id consider myself gay because the only girl i really love is hayley williams [paramore!]

Man I don't want to spread hate, but I have question....

Would you feel ok if I tell you that you are BISEXUAL..but you are not aware of that??

OR, there is not such a thing as GAY...we are all bisexuals????

You are bisexual in denial of yourself, and you have fear of the opposite sex, but you are bisexual......

You should cure yourself because we ARE ALL BISEXUALS...

Or, bisexuals are better than you...they can feel the beauty of the opposite sex, but you cant..........

:)

we should all respect each-other...no metter of the sexual orientation....we should not look the people because of their sexuality...and open such a topic as aren't we all bisexuals...let the heterosexual be heterosexuals, and homosexuals homosexuals, and bisexuals bisexuals,...we should respect everybodys identity...homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual, pansexual and asexual too.....so My opinion is that this blog should be closed :)

it is my opinion only:)

[armoured_amazon]

This theory will piss a lot of people off, but please try to keep an open mind about it. It's just a theory after all...

What if we are all bisexual, but we have been taught to suppress, fear and be ashamed of our homosexual side?

Just think about it - bisexuality was the norm in ancient Greece, and from what I have read homosexuality is apparently common among otherwise straight men at the Bohemian Grove (the "elite"). Add to that all the reports about members of the elite who are having gay relationships on the side, as well as Alister Crowleys "sex magick" rituals... Perhaps these people knew/know that bisexuality is something normal while manipulating the masses to think it's something shameful in order to control us?

Also, subliminal advertising often plays on latent homosexuality (see "The Age of Manipulation" by Dr. Key).

What are your thoughts on this?

It's not something I've thought about much, but being that I find a person's mind more attractive than anything physical, I can see it being quite possible. Heterosexuality is the norm for reproductive reasons.

[joe911]

Man I don't want to spread hate, but I have question....

Would you feel ok if I tell you that you are BISEXUAL..but you are not aware of that??

OR, there is not such a thing as GAY...we are all bisexuals????

You are bisexual in denial of yourself, and you have fear of the opposite sex, but you are bisexual......

You should cure yourself because we ARE ALL BISEXUALS...

Or, bisexuals are better than you...they can feel the beauty of the opposite sex, but you cant..........

:)

we should all respect each-other...no metter of the sexual orientation....we should not look the people because of their sexuality...and open such a topic as aren't we all bisexuals...let the heterosexual be heterosexuals, and homosexuals homosexuals, and bisexuals bisexuals,...we should respect everybodys identity...homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual, pansexual and asexual too.....so My opinion is that this blog should be closed :)

it is my opinion only:)

I probably am bi-sexual,,but find myself more attracted to guys. Like i said,the only girl i can name who im actually in love with is hayley williams from paramore :p

Lol i dont fear the opposite sex,,but for example if there was a beautiful guy walking down the street and a beautiful girl my eyes would follow the guy.

Im sure there are beautiful people of both sexes,but everyone different and all that...

[thethirdeye]

I probably am bi-sexual,,but find myself more attracted to guys. Like i said,the only girl i can name who im actually in love with is hayley williams from paramore :p

Lol i dont fear the opposite sex,,but for example if there was a beautiful guy walking down the street and a beautiful girl my eyes would follow the guy.

Im sure there are beautiful people of both sexes,but everyone different and all that...

yep, my point was not that bisexuality is bad...
My point was that not everybody is bisexual...
It depends of the morals we have...some males look other males as brothers and dont feel romantic atraction towards them.....and some people feel...I don't want to talk about why is that so......the important thing is that people have diferent views, morals, characters etc...
Choosing one chategory above another is against every human right of choise and sexuality.... I am psychologist myself.....I lived in the times when sexuality was taboo, and now I live in times when everybody must be bisexual:eek::D:):mad:


haha:) so as I said....let people leave in peace and don't disturb them, and dont give them false information and false facts...

The most people that claim this, don't know about the origin of their "OWN" Beliefs...
They think that they are original thinkers...But....that's not the case

All these believings that we are all bisexuals, are coming from Freud and Kinsey.....
But people really like to distord the facts sometimes....

Freud said: we all have sexual capacity....but depending of the way we grow up, we can develop
that capacity diferently...homosexualy...or heterosexualy....or there are many various factors and
types of sexuality as incest or oediphal complex is......etc etc...
He didn't say the we are all bisexuals
Capacity is not the same with the object of desire....Lets say that capacity are the bullets in the gun....the person is the keeper of the gun......It is the person that will use the capacity of the gun diferently...some people will shoot same sex people(homosexuals) some, opposite sex(heterosexuals) some will shoot animals (zoophiles) etc etc....gun doesn't make people hetero or homo, deferent persons are using diferently their gun(capacity) some persons don't use the gun and don't shoot(asexuals).

Kinsey, that made the kinsey scale is today proven that has many mistakes, but there are some very truthfull facts too :D. Sexuality can be fluid, and changeble....many factors are responsible for the sexual orientation, begining with the genetic and biological predisposition, ending with the enviromental and cultural factors......Kinsey made the kinsey scale.....that goes from 100% heterosexual to 100% homosexual....and the area between...he said that some people are between, but he didn't say that we ALL are BISEXUALS....that is modern concept based on propaganda and relativistic philosophy based on some kind of wrongly understand and distorded facts.......these kids, have readen some literature, they are not educated and they are easly manipulated......so they think that now, they know the truth, but there is long way to go....and very much new facts and experiences to learn

so that's why sometimes, people should keep their believings for theirselfes or tell them, but not push them as reality:)

regards

[bard]

Yea man you are right about many things......But I don't agree with the yin yang part ;)


this is just another philosophical view....not supported with facts or logic....There is not such an event that claims such a thing......It is created in the fantasy of the people...and it is real as Santa Claus is...
Even there are evidences that supports the opposite view.....

http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n11/mente/eisntein/cerebro-homens.html

males and females are very very diferent, biologicaly, psychologicaly and sexualy.............

there is another fact.........telling that bisexuality is the "NORMAL" sexuality and that every human is bisexual...that is NOT TRUE...


Actually I did not say anything of that sort, maybe it was too deep for you (no offense).
The claim that the human psyche has complementary duality does not equal the statement that all people are (or have tendency to become) bisexual. In fact it has very little to do with sexuality, and equating the two statements is completely wrong and puts a lot of people in a double-bind. Think about "feminine" psychological qualities such as softness, kindness, compassion, impulsiveness etc., not in terms of sexual activities.
This is quite different, and indeed men and women are constructed differently
since they have to fulfill different biological functions.

[jesuitsdidit]

I did watch a documentary on the Gospel of Judas where christ invites him into his bed as part of an initiation.


really?
which documentary was it?

[thethirdeye]

Actually I did not say anything of that sort, maybe it was too deep for you (no offense).

:confused:

haha, you understood me wrongly.:)..I know what you meaned.....and I don't agree exacly with that.....but after that I continued to talk about bisexuality, because that is the theme of this blog...and the part with the bisexuality wasn't, quoted to you.....just the first sentence was quote for you:):D

Think about "feminine" psychological qualities such as softness, kindness, compassion, impulsiveness etc., not in terms of sexual activities.
This is quite different, and indeed men and women are constructed differently
since they have to fulfill different biological functions.

I disagree with you....lets forget the sexuality and the bisexual debate
I know what are you trying to tell.......

There are two theories.....
The first one supports you and the other one does not
I don't take side because I don't really know which of them is truthful :confused:

First theory: Males have some feminine sides that apart them from the old neandrthals, because it helps them to be better in the social bonding and in better understanding of the opposite sex...The same goes for the females...But nature is keeping the deferences between males and females constant because if the opposite happens,
it will destroy the harmony of the nature design.....

First theory shows that yin and yang philosophy is true, that every yin has yang and every yang has yin.....Looking this from philosophical point of view...it has some reality...but it is a logical philosophy as many others...and it i just that, philosophy.

But sometimes it is true....there might exist exeptions too,
I quess there is something pure good, with no bad dot :p

Well this is the second theory anyway:rolleyes:

http://www.narth.com/docs/uvaprof.html
you can find it here......

"feminine" psychological qualities such as softness, kindness, compassion, impulsiveness etc"

I'm going to be devil's advocate for a minute here.:D
How do you connect kindness, and compassion with the females...
Or brutality with the males......compassion, kindness, softness, impulsiveness, agression, are just human characteristics, positive or negative.
They are characteristics of every human being...no matter of the genre...
Saying that softness and kindness are female qualities,
is a little bit feministic point of view and it is not very deep(no offense) hahaha :)

You might think of nuturing, mother-caring qualities, etc etc...
And the strenght, more capablity for physical work as a quality in males etc...
But that's not always the case....

you might find artists, philosophers etc.....but that just show that human beings globaly, are getting more sophisticated and more intelligent, and that has nothing to do with the male or female parts...The most philosphers and famuous artists were males, that show that softness, or kindness is not nessesarily feminine quality.....humans are spiritual beings....not just physical...
But it has nothing to do with the genre...it is human characteristic....

Some people want to mistake the universal human characterstics:art, spiritualuty, love, etc.....with the masculine and feminine characteristics....so many people should logicaly assume that the only way to have all the qualities
we must become male and female in the same time(bisexual), but if we understand that this qualities are universal for every human being....and every human being can posses all qualities...than we understand that we dont have to be male and female to have all that qualities.......here are the
flaws of the "bisexual ideology"...

However, you are right for many things.....but personaly I believe that yin and yang theory......is just one between milion philosophies.....You and me can create another philosophy, and if it is logical somehow, people can believe it and be folowers of it :) because human softwares are similar and the way they decode and explain things, are similar...SO if something even not true but logical, appears true for me, it can appear true for everybody, if I install it in his mind :P

[kassondra8]

there is another fact.........telling that bisexuality is the "NORMAL" sexuality and that every human is bisexual...that is NOT TRUE...there are many heterosexuals...that don't have anything female inside them...and they are happy.....because there is another fact.....if you say that you are male, female in male body, or the both etc....that JUST SHOWS the way you watch and see yourself....it depends of the object with whom you identificate with....If you identificate with your mother..you see yourself as female.....and the opposite if you identificate with your father you see yourself as a male...that doesn't mean that every human being have male and female part(but why some female would identificate herself with male, and the opposite :S it sounds stupid to me, but when it is supported by the political agenda and liberal sacred cows it is OK :) )......The most of the psychologists say that people that identificate theirselfes wrongly about their gender or age....(I am male but I think I am female...and it is not logical....because we all know that human mind is not really logical) than they have GID---gender identity disorder




Lol, I don't identify with either of my parents, maybe that's why I'm bi....???

And as far as what psychologists say...fuck them. I am a psychology major and have to say I am most disappointed with the "science." We don't learn about the mind and how it works (which was my desire), we learn to classify and label people in terms of "normal" and "abnormal." Anything that is supposedly abnormal (because the psychologist is too stupid to truly understand it) is called a "disorder," and then they go around handing out drugs to people, at the behest of pharmaceutical companies of course. It's all bullshit, and really pisses me off sometimes... So any psychologist who talks about "gender identity disorder" is simply putting a negative label to something they can't understand. I agree with mind1universe, "male" and "female" only separate us. It is just more labeling, more false identity. We are not our bodies, we are consciousness, which has neither sex nor gender.

[size_of_light]

I did watch a documentary on the Gospel of Judas where christ invites him into his bed as part of an initiation.


Got a link to the porntube video? :)

Seriously...we're at the point now where any references to documentaries about Jesus, UFOs or Nazis deservedly invite scorn.

There's big money to still be made from the Beaded One, and if you can come up with any new ridiculous angle on his story, you just might hit paydirt.

Perhaps Jesus was really a lesbian dog?

I think I can prove it through the scriptures.

Maybe if I adopted the approach of trying to prove that the word 'Jesus' was actually a forgotten Aramaic word for 'prostate gland' and that his entire life story was really a symbolic allusion to the spiritual superiority of anal sex, it might sell better.

etc...etc..etc..

[enico]

Suprised that the pomosexual movement hasnt been mentioned since its part of the human enlightenment project. Having initially identfied myself as bisexual I find the pomosexual concept to best suite my previous experience of how fluid sexuality actually is and that how labels are bad.

Trying to slot over six billion unique persons into just a few sexual orientations. Like our fingerprints or DNA, sexuality is completely unique from one individual to the next, one relationship to the next, and even one moment to the next. Sexuality exists along a fluid continuum, beyond gay and straight. It’s tricky, amorphous, and indefinable.

Some will argue that we need identity labels to feel like we belong and are part of something bigger, or simply for ease of communicating our preferences to others. If that’s the case, how can we satisfy these needs and, at the same time, avoid the dark side of labelling? Read more at the following:

http://pomoworld.ning.com/
And an excellent write up on the same site
http://pomoworld.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=857909%3ABlogPost%3A76128

[1977]

really?
which documentary was it?
It's actually the Secret Gospel of Mark: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/secretmark.html

"And they come into Bethany. And a certain woman whose brother had died was there. And, coming, she prostrated herself before Jesus and says to him, 'Son of David, have mercy on me.' But the disciples rebuked her. And Jesus, being angered, went off with her into the garden where the tomb was, and straightway a great cry was heard from the tomb. And going near, Jesus rolled away the stone from the door of the tomb. And straightaway, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb, they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do, and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God. And thence, arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan."

[thethirdeye]

Lol, I don't identify with either of my parents, maybe that's why I'm bi....???

And as far as what psychologists say...fuck them. I am a psychology major and have to say I am most disappointed with the "science." We don't learn about the mind and how it works (which was my desire), we learn to classify and label people in terms of "normal" and "abnormal." Anything that is supposedly abnormal (because the psychologist is too stupid to truly understand it) is called a "disorder," and then they go around handing out drugs to people, at the behest of pharmaceutical companies of course. It's all bullshit, and really pisses me off sometimes... So any psychologist who talks about "gender identity disorder" is simply putting a negative label to something they can't understand. I agree with mind1universe, "male" and "female" only separate us. It is just more labeling, more false identity. We are not our bodies, we are consciousness, which has neither sex nor gender.

Look girl:) You are right...the most of the psychologists are corupted cowards...
I quess you are smart as much as you are beautiful and you will somehow get my point :)
I am psychology major too...we are the same here, but there are few mistakes that you make....
I will criticize you a bit, but nothing personaly, just my point of view :)

OK? :) And sorry about my english, I am not from USA

First of all....generalising all psychologists with one stigma is very bad thing...Yes there are psychologists that are corrupted, some of them are stupid....but that is not the case for all the psychologists.

Secondly...homosexuality and bisexuality were normalised by the same psychologists that you atack now.........the influence of APA changed the people view
of all sexual orientations, if people didn't hear the autorities of APA and didn't believe them and their
"scientific" assumption, today, homosexuality and bisexuality would be the same stigmatized pervesions as they were 40 years ago....and same gender sex would be considered as serious psychological illness and mental disorder. The people with that "disorder" would be seen as very dangerous........
If GLBT activists didn't need the psychologists, why would they need alliance with the American Psychology Association? The activists would not push APA, to "normalize" their orientation...
but if APA wasn't there, today, nobody would have such an ideas about sexuality and its expression.
People began to believe that other types of sexuality are normal just because that was considered
as true by APA...

I have one more aditional comment to make...
When you talk about drugs, you talk about the psychiatrists,
not about the psychoanalitists, or psychologists etc....

Without a model of healthy human development, we don't have clear clue about what is right and what is wrong...we put all the people in the oassis of confusion.

Yes, there are healthy and unhealthy things...
saying that rape is bad, doesn't mean that we don't understand the rapist, it just mean that we don't support it......you can't put all people desires and wishes on the same scale...
it is sacrfising of the healthy morality, with the fear that we might hurt people feelings...
that is the problem with the moral relativism( it is the new relative psychology)
All the theories you believe in have been told by Kinsey, Hooker or other PSYCHOLOGISTS....
Non of them has any proofs....Kinsey is known as a pedophile and the study of Hooker didnt
prove anything that it was intended to prove and in fact it didn't prove nothing....

so it is more problem with the education...it is ok to have your beliefs...but saying that other people which don't agree with them are not RIGHT...is the same stigma that you are opposed too....you put apsolute truth (we are all bisexuals) and you claim that there isn't apsolute truth...but everyone that is opposed to your idea is not RIGHT....but that just means that you put apsolute "truth"...
but you are claiming that it is relative....
You say that our sexuality is unique...but many people (96%) have heterosexual identity...so are you claiming that they don't exist....or that their sexuality is not real, it is not unique???

There are people out there, who feel repulsed, disgusted from the idea of same gender sex...
They are not bisexuals...and they respect you and your opinion....is it ok for you to stigmatize them
just because they are not Bisexuals or because they feel that they are pure males or females???

Than, you are discriminator...and you don't realy let people enjoy in their heterosexuality...
it is your opinion that we are all bisexuals...YOUR OPINION...not fact, not proven thing...
MY opinion is that we are all heterosexuals....so....I don't like to push it to other people, because it might hurt somebody....


Why are there organisations as GLSEN, LGBT task force, that care about the homophobia, bigotry and discrimination against all people with all types of sexual orientation...So, if I say.....bisexuals are sick, I would be punished for discrimination and sent to sensitivity training.....
so the SAME APPLIES TO YOU..when you put one category of sexual preference above other...
and claim theories that atack other people sexuality...than you are gulity for discrimination too..
You are the same as the religios bigot...While religious bigots claim that heterosexuality is given
by God, and it is natural......You say that Bisexuality is universal for everybody and everybody is bisexual....Giving some supernatural power or explanation to your sexual preference...Where
do you see the diference between you and the religious bigot???He puts apsolutes, you put apsolutes.
He says we are all heterosexual, you say we are all bisexuals???Sexual preference is personal and moral
stuff....it has nothing too do with the "creative forces of the universe" it is just sex, and the most
holy thing that it might be used is the procreation....all other uses are just wasted orgasms.
So it is little strange...procreation is only between male and female....But...it is my opinion...

Can you be free to say your theories and to discriminate, but when some heterosexual say that he thinks
that bisexuality is pervesion, he is heterosexist and your feelings are hurted???
Did you know that claiming your opinions as apsolute fact might hurt other people feelings
and that they are not real facts, because are based on philosophy...Philosophy is very relative and
science is practical so we should not mess them..there are many folks out there
that are not educated or don't realy know what's true so they might think that you are right.
SO, now we have a bunch of bisexual folks that are trying to tell other people that every human
being feel sexual atraction towards same gender, and that we are all truly bisexual,
but we are not aware of it...... For the most of the people this will be funny stuff...
but what about some kids, they are easly manipulated...they don't need very much to believe in them...

There are schools where some teachers show gay and lesbian porn to 3 rd grade children....
"And that is in the name of diveristy because children should be educated about the various sexual preferences and orientations......to not be discriminative". Did you know that???
Tell me, what does 7 or 8 or 9 year old kid know??? They are just a kids...

It is not that simple as it look like, believe me

How old are you???15, 20, 25???I will explain you some things that you might not know, and you might learn something new....Maybe because of my age, or experience I know something more...
And don't say that you have nothing to learn, we learn all our life :)

What you do, is so called MORAL REVISIONISM, and it is not something truthful..it is just the same ideology as anarchy, or fascism, or other ideologies are.....If fascism discriminate because of rase or nation, this is discrimination because of sexuality.....it is the same stuff that the most homosexuals
and bisexuals were fighting for, 40 years ago...
Now, you do the same fascism....and same type of discrimination, and put your bisexual practises as superior and your free celebration of diversity and multiple sexual partners or poligamy.....as SUPERIOR...

WOW! I DON'T THINK IT IS REALY FAIR :(

If a want to, I can find you a hundreds of studies that show how bisexual people have many health risks, 70% die before they get 50 years old... many are HIV positive, they have more psychological stresses and distordions than heterosexuals, many disfuncions, and lower self-esteem than heterosexuals....
There are very long and very detailed studies, that are not in favor of the bisexual lifestyle...........

DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT???? I QUESS NOT, THAT MIGHT HURT YOU AS A PERSON..........
SO, PLEASE DON'T DO THE SAME......you hurt other people:)There are people that might feel
very depressed and suicidal...just because some ideas like this are pushed as real

There are many bisexual kids that think that know the world because they
have readen 10 books about spiritualism, and they think that they know all the truth now....
It is more about the media.. Because the media, and other propaganda TV stuffs are emiting this kind
of sexual practises as normal, todays kids have really no clue about what is sexuality and I am not suprised that the most of the teens hold such a beliefs today....

Isn't there category, Bisexist??? OR BISEXUALS ENJOY SPECIAL RIGHTS????
if they enjoy special rights of speech, and heterosexuals don't, than we have very diferent situatiion...IF you have right to say that all people are bisexual, I have right too say that all people are heterosexual........You might not tolerate my opinion, but you want, other people to tolerate yours..??? IS THAT DIVERSITY...OR APSOLUTISM AND PUSHING SOME BELIEF SYSTEM TO OTHER PEOPLE???????

IF you are sure in your opinion, why are you making blogs such this one........
Why do you need suport from other people, that we all are bisexual....
or you want to change other people believings????

Saying that we have unique personalities...
but not alowing the people with hetersexual identity and personality express their identity is fascism....
Is it me, or today people love to create new theories that support and apply to them and their interests and egoistic needs......?
It don't afects me, you can be bisexual, and be proud of your identity..I am supporting you, but when you atack MY IDENTITY and other people identity...and atack heterosexuality here on this forum than
you are not the fair-one...That is not good....In fact nobody can tell us about what is the truth...
When we talk about moral and philosophical views...my view is equal to yours....There are not
Evidences that might support the one view more than the other...
Thats why we need diversity and mutual respect.... It is just a opinion.....the most of you are kids, that haven't formed any opinion about what is sexuality...but believe to some gurus out there...

IF my opinion is that there are pure male and female, and your opinion is that there not....you put apsolute and I put apsolute....there isn't such a "RELATIVE" thing.............so you believe in apsolute moral as I do:) But I have diferent morals you have diferent morals.....What is your idea.....real intention....."<THAT ALL PEOPLE MUST BE BISEXUAL>"?.."and they are"?.....BUT MY THEORY IS THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE HETEROSEXUAL...SOME MIGHT SAY THAT WE ARE ALL GAYS....where will we get???? towards tolerance or war???????????ALL of you people are writing on blogs, but nobody have the real guts to come out and openly say his opinion:)That is just ok, as long as you don't push it....

We are not our bodies, we are consciousness, which has neither sex nor gender.

I agree...and it has no SEXUALITY,....it is not male, female, homosexual, heterosexual, BISEXUAL, neither asexual or pansexual...it is NO SEXUAL...it simply is....sexuality is just procreation....
But the conciousness does not have to procreate

After all, the term bisexual was NOT CREATED BY YOU, think about it....all that sexual practises, are not identities...as many people want to believe...they are just behavieors...that don't consider what "kind of" identity you'll have...just think about it....

Did, you invent the BISEXUAL term, or you have learned it as truthful identity?
Did, you discover this philosophy...or you have been readen it from somewhere?
Are you assumtions yours, or other philosophers, or autors or autorities have "INVENTED" and CONCLUDED this "bisexual ideology"
Did you find the yin yang theory...or you have been assimilated it.....
Did you measure the sexuality of the other people...and prove that all people are bisexuals, or you just deeply believe in it...
How do you know about the masculinity and femininity of the universe.......
How do you know that christianity is bad, did you read the Bible, The Koran, or did you study teology.....or just accepted other people assumptions
Do you have some role model or hero......that is bisexual.......
Isn't it strange that your sexuality is the universal truth....just because it is YOUR SEXUALITY.......
Are you more superior than 94% of the world because of your sexual preferences???
Can you prove your theory with FACTS..or you can't????
But, don't relativise this question.....just prove the credibility of you opinion
Einstein, Tesla, Mozart, Betowen............they were genious....were they BISEXUALS........acording to your theory "THE MUST BE BISEXUAL" RIGHT??
Isn't your theory fanatic??
Do you hurt other people and isn't your theory discriminative?
Are you trying to push all people to have sex with their own gender???

Think about it....very well.....................you might have deep belief system that doesn't let you see objectivly..........we should share your world-view with everybody, but not push it......

Nobody should push his opinion towaRDS otheR People..............Nobody's autority neither GOD< to tell other people what should they believe in

regards with all respect

ps; I gived the best english I could XDXD :)

[thethirdeye]

Suprised that the pomosexual movement hasnt been mentioned since its part of the human enlightenment project. Having initially identfied myself as bisexual I find the pomosexual concept to best suite my previous experience of how fluid sexuality actually is and that how labels are bad.

Trying to slot over six billion unique persons into just a few sexual orientations. Like our fingerprints or DNA, sexuality is completely unique from one individual to the next, one relationship to the next, and even one moment to the next. Sexuality exists along a fluid continuum, beyond gay and straight. It’s tricky, amorphous, and indefinable.

Some will argue that we need identity labels to feel like we belong and are part of something bigger, or simply for ease of communicating our preferences to others. If that’s the case, how can we satisfy these needs and, at the same time, avoid the dark side of labelling? Read more at the following:

http://pomoworld.ning.com/
And an excellent write up on the same site
http://pomoworld.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=857909%3ABlogPost%3A76128


Again, claiming thing like DNA....and don't understand what genetic is, it is very very bad :( sexuality is social and psychological construct,....not genetic one.......there is not single event that shows genetic influence on sexuality...

so many people are heterosexuals, but diferent characters have diferent tastes for females...But sexual taste is not the same as the genre preference.....

I might be heterosexual and like blondies...other heterosexual like asian girls, but we are both heterosexuals........so......sexuality is not some misterious unique force........sexuality is simple way of procreating and it will be that...no matter what you believe in........

so people are not nothing more than computer programs..they are progamed to like or not to like some things....but sexuality is part of the software, it has nothing to do with the infinite conciousness.SO people should not OCUPATE with that sexual problems and ORIENTATIONS...that is part of the reptilian agenda....control the people via sexual energy..we should use our time to awake from the matrix and get out of it...

not to discuss about gay straight bi idiotic stuffs.....do you think that somebody cares about sexualuty, or some illuminat realy cares about your bisexuality or my heterosexuality...or somebodys homosexuality....

You make damage to yourself spending your time in this useless discutions...
The same goes for me...SO I leave this forum...you can continue your debating or say that I was wrong...but in 2012 you and me won't live here in this 3 density space believing in such a stupid stuffs as male female sex or bisexual universe XD it is all Matrix game, thats all I have to say

Regards to everybody with all due respect:)

[kassondra8]

Look girl:) You are right...the most of the psychologists are corupted cowards...
I quess you are smart as much as you are beautiful and you will somehow get my point :)
I am psychology major too...we are the same here, but there are few mistakes that you make....
I will criticize you a bit, but nothing personaly, just my point of view :)

First of all....generalising all psychologists with one stigma is very bad thing...Yes there are psychologists that are corrupted, some of them are stupid....but that is not the case for all the psychologists.

There are people out there, who feel repulsed, disgusted from the idea of same gender sex...
They are not bisexuals...and they respect you and your opinion....is it ok for you to stigmatize themjust because they are not Bisexuals or because they feel that they are pure males or females???

Can you be free to say your theories and to discriminate, but when some heterosexual say that he thinks
that bisexuality is pervesion, he is heterosexist and your feelings are hurted???
Did you know that claiming your opinions as apsolute fact might hurt other people feelings
and that they are not real facts, because are based on philosophybut what about some kids, they are easly manipulated...they don't need very much to believe in them...
There are schools where some teachers show gay and lesbian porn to 3 rd grade children...."And that is in the name of diveristy because children should be educated about the various sexual preferences and orientations......to not be discriminative". Did you know that???
Tell me, what does 7 or 8 or 9 year old kid know??? They are just a kids...

Now, you do the same fascism....and same type of discrimination, and put your bisexual practises as superior and your free celebration of diversity and multiple sexual partners or poligamy.....as SUPERIOR...

WOW! I DON'T THINK IT IS REALY FAIR :(

DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT???? I QUESS NOT, THAT MIGHT HURT YOU AS A PERSON..........
SO, PLEASE DON'T DO THE SAME......you hurt other people:)There are people that might feel
very depressed and suicidal...just because some ideas like this are pushed as real

Saying that we have unique personalities...
but not alowing the people with hetersexual identity and personality express their identity is fascism....

It don't afects me, you can be bisexual, and be proud of your identity..I am supporting you, but when you atack MY IDENTITY and other people identity...and atack heterosexuality here on this forum than
you are not the fair-one...

Did, you discover this philosophy...or you have been readen it from somewhere?
Are you more superior than 94% of the world because of your sexual preferences???Are you trying to push all people to have sex with their own gender???



Wow Thethirdeye, you wrote me a book! Thank you much for the compliment, and no I never mind criticism, just happy someone replied. :) I certainly did not mean to generalize to all psychologists, just came across that way because of my personal disappointment with my college "education."

But I think you misunderstood my intention, it certainly was not to attack or offend anyone, simply to give another perspective on the topic at hand. Why would I care about other people's sexuality? I believe in diversity, and whatever makes the individual happy is fine by me, so long as it is consentual and not harming another against their will. I think it was merely your perception that I was discriminating against you, because that is not true at all. I do believe that heterosexuality is the norm of society, and I think that people who discriminate against other people for not being heterosexual are simply close-minded. But I really don't care, it doesn't hurt my feelings at all. Why should it??? People are close-minded about many more important things than this.

Is there anyone on here who can say that my post hurt their feelings??? If so I am truly sorry, but maybe they should trust in their own opinion a little more and stop taking everything so personally. If anyone on this forum feels suicidal because of my post, I think that person may need some help for other reasons....I would like to believe the people on this site are not so easily manipulated as you claim, and I think they would agree.

LOL, I have absolutely zero interest in changing anyone's mind on the subject, and do not consider my opinion or sexuality superior. I simply stated that I personally believe people are born with the potential to be bisexual, which is a long shot from saying everyone should be, or that it is the right way to be. I never claimed my opinion as fact, that's why it is called an opinion. Your perceptions again. And no, I didn't read or discover the philosophy, I was born that way. As I said, it was simply a feeling I had as a child. Actually, I carried an enormous burden of guilt from early childhood because of my sexuality, because I was raised to believe it was wrong and immoral. It is a burden I am happy to finally be rid of all these years later, and so I talk about it. But I am unique, as we all are, and I would never want to hurt someone else's uniqueness. One of my favorite sayings, from my grandmother, is "to each his own." Simple but powerful. It is horrible that any porn should be shown in school, no matter what grade. I was exposed to graphic stories about rape and murder by that age (7, 8, or 9 as you said) and it is something I am still recovering from. Adults have no business sharing that crap with kids. Childhood is fucking hard enough as it is without having to have nightmares about being raped/molested.

I can't believe you actually think I am fascist because of my post! :eek: Haha, I don't mind at all of course, just confused and amused. But I am happy to hear your opinion. And no, nothing you could say to me or about me would hurt me as a person. I like to think I am a little stronger than that, and I much prefer honesty to polite bullshit. So feel free. ;) I love discussions! And yes I am young, 21, but quite mature for my years, or so I have been told. And of course, I live to learn! I understand that wisdom is knowing how little you know, and the idea of learning more just thrills me. It is what keeps me going when I feel lost. I trust my path, if that makes any sense.

[octopusrex]

Donno.

I've had some really close calls. Kissing guys is not that different from kissing girls.

But...

Pussy got em beat for me. And I gotta tell you.. there's some nice looking guys out there!

[thethirdeye]

Wow Thethirdeye, you wrote me a book! Thank you much for the compliment, and no I never mind criticism, just happy someone replied. :) I certainly did not mean to generalize to all psychologists, just came across that way because of my personal disappointment with my college "education."

But I think you misunderstood my intention, it certainly was not to attack or offend anyone, simply to give another perspective on the topic at hand. Why would I care about other people's sexuality? I believe in diversity, and whatever makes the individual happy is fine by me, so long as it is consentual and not harming another against their will. I think it was merely your perception that I was discriminating against you, because that is not true at all. I do believe that heterosexuality is the norm of society, and I think that people who discriminate against other people for not being heterosexual are simply close-minded. But I really don't care, it doesn't hurt my feelings at all. Why should it??? People are close-minded about many more important things than this.

Is there anyone on here who can say that my post hurt their feelings??? If so I am truly sorry, but maybe they should trust in their own opinion a little more and stop taking everything so personally. If anyone on this forum feels suicidal because of my post, I think that person may need some help for other reasons....I would like to believe the people on this site are not so easily manipulated as you claim, and I think they would agree.

LOL, I have absolutely zero interest in changing anyone's mind on the subject, and do not consider my opinion or sexuality superior. I simply stated that I personally believe people are born with the potential to be bisexual, which is a long shot from saying everyone should be, or that it is the right way to be. I never claimed my opinion as fact, that's why it is called an opinion. Your perceptions again. And no, I didn't read or discover the philosophy, I was born that way. As I said, it was simply a feeling I had as a child. Actually, I carried an enormous burden of guilt from early childhood because of my sexuality, because I was raised to believe it was wrong and immoral. It is a burden I am happy to finally be rid of all these years later, and so I talk about it. But I am unique, as we all are, and I would never want to hurt someone else's uniqueness. One of my favorite sayings, from my grandmother, is "to each his own." Simple but powerful. It is horrible that any porn should be shown in school, no matter what grade. I was exposed to graphic stories about rape and murder by that age (7, 8, or 9 as you said) and it is something I am still recovering from. Adults have no business sharing that crap with kids. Childhood is fucking hard enough as it is without having to have nightmares about being raped/molested.

I can't believe you actually think I am fascist because of my post! :eek: Haha, I don't mind at all of course, just confused and amused. But I am happy to hear your opinion. And no, nothing you could say to me or about me would hurt me as a person. I like to think I am a little stronger than that, and I much prefer honesty to polite bullshit. So feel free. ;) I love discussions! And yes I am young, 21, but quite mature for my years, or so I have been told. And of course, I live to learn! I understand that wisdom is knowing how little you know, and the idea of learning more just thrills me. It is what keeps me going when I feel lost. I trust my path, if that makes any sense.

You are very clever for your age.....and yes I understood you wrongly.....
Well thats because...the topic of this blog is "are we all bisexual???"
It is not, "do we all have sexual capacity".....And because you said I agree with minduniverse, and minduniverse was against me and told me that I am retarded :confused::(

Yea, the most of the psychology today is untrue...But if I am not mistaken, alternate sexual lifestyles
are learned as normal in todays psychology.

Sigmund Freud, (if you do not know who he is you should look him up) said the child is born with bi-sexual potential. many people have misunderstood this and have used it as an excuse to say that all people are bisexual. What he meant is that all people can go either way depending upon what happens to them. If the child had parents and family who raised him in a healthy way he would become heterosexual and if certain things happened to him that were negative he would become homosexual. The fact remains that if a child is traumatized in a particular way he will become homosexual and if he is not traumatized, he will become heterosexual.
According to Freud...There is no such thing as a bi-sexual. While some homosexual people can function heterosexually, their preference is for men. Everyone has a preference and no one is neutral about who they want to have sex with.

According to another study....the sexuality of the females is more fluid than of the males...
While females can be bisexual...males cant...
All males that said that they are bisexual...felt 6 times more arousial to one gender than to other.....
85% were gays....(6 times more arousial to the same gender) and 15% more to the opposite sex(heterosexuals)That's because the male ego feel insulted if he romantise and have sex with another male, while females look the sex from more emotional perspective....Males react visualy on sex stimuli, and females emotionaly....

And yea, nobody should discriminate noone about his sexuality...While everybody have the right
to personaly not agree about his moral objections what sexuality is, and should be....Some people might don't agree with the homosexuality as normal lifestyle, some people might agree(it is moral objection),
nobody should discriminate.... I personaly hold more traditional view of sexuality..
But I am against every type of discrimination...

And, no, you should not be ashamed of your sexuality....Sexuality is very complex thing....
The subconcious mind is very very strange type of mind...Because of some situations, trauma, molestation, some people might develop homosexual or bisexual adaptation...but that don't have to be the case with everybody......Humans are not stones...neither the same rules fits for everybody....

When I asked, "did you discover or you have been readen this philosphy", I meaned about the philosphy
"We are all bisexuals", not about your personal sexuality...

Sorry, because I understood you wrongly...:) and yea we learn all our life...I can learn something from you, as you can learn something from me...

regards, and I wish you the best :)

[cafetimes1991]

Yay for you! Personally I think that's pretty damn hot. ;)
I'm probably abnormal though....

Thanks. :)

Same here,only id consider myself gay because the only girl i really love is hayley williams [paramore!]

Good choice. :cool:

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[kassondra8]

Thank you thirdeye. :) Ya, Freud is pretty interesting. Not well looked upon by todays psycholgists, but he did talk about the subconscious, which I find fascinating. Speaking of which, I had a bizzare and kind of related (not really) dream last night. I was in a public restroom looking at my face in a mirror, it was covered in shadows except for my eyes, and then it morphed into a man's face. But it was really my face, had I been born male. I still had red hair, though lighter, and freckles, and my face was scruffy. I made a pretty attractive guy, even with the hair color, lol. The woman next to me screamed and ran away. Weird huh?

Ugh, Paramore. I had to take my little sister to one of their shows, annoying little teenie-boppers everywhere. She is pretty cute though, I guess...

[joe911]

Thank you thirdeye. :) Ya, Freud is pretty interesting. Not well looked upon by todays psycholgists, but he did talk about the subconscious, which I find fascinating. Speaking of which, I had a bizzare and kind of related (not really) dream last night. I was in a public restroom looking at my face in a mirror, it was covered in shadows except for my eyes, and then it morphed into a man's face. But it was really my face, had I been born male. I still had red hair, though lighter, and freckles, and my face was scruffy. I made a pretty attractive guy, even with the hair color, lol. The woman next to me screamed and ran away. Weird huh?

Ugh, Paramore. I had to take my little sister to one of their shows, annoying little teenie-boppers everywhere. She is pretty cute though, I guess...

Lol that is a pretty strange dream!

And yea,shes awesome!

She has that young adorableness about her,,just like my james does,bless him!

[thethirdeye]

Thank you thirdeye. :) Ya, Freud is pretty interesting. Not well looked upon by todays psycholgists, but he did talk about the subconscious, which I find fascinating. Speaking of which, I had a bizzare and kind of related (not really) dream last night. I was in a public restroom looking at my face in a mirror, it was covered in shadows except for my eyes, and then it morphed into a man's face. But it was really my face, had I been born male. I still had red hair, though lighter, and freckles, and my face was scruffy. I made a pretty attractive guy, even with the hair color, lol. The woman next to me screamed and ran away. Weird huh?

Ugh, Paramore. I had to take my little sister to one of their shows, annoying little teenie-boppers everywhere. She is pretty cute though, I guess...

Hmm......dreams can be very intresty..........:confused:
the guy u have seen, is called valence, it is another identity, that your subconcious mind have been taken as your own personality..........

I have to sleep now....I will explain you more tomorow :)

[kassondra8]

Ok. :) Sounds interesting.

[mistress_medusa]

Interesting.

I read an article not so long ago that said research has actually shown that sexuality is partially determined by genes and hormones in the womb. I'm not sure I buy that though as I believe when a child is born, it's mind is like a blank canvass and that things that he/she is taught and experience will ultimately shape the person they become. Gender ID is something that is learned over time. It's like when people are talking about serial killers and they'll say "Oooh..he was born evil" - No. I don't believe that for one second.

I'm in no way saying this is true for everyone but I think this is quite relevant..
Most of the gay men I know, were brought up in a home where there was no other male influence. They were bullied and called "queer" at school for being small and quiet. The boys shunned them so they hung around with the girls instead. Do you think that these men were gay by default or that that kind of experience changed them in some way?
Also, every single lesbian I know has been abused by a man at some point in their lives. As I said..that won't be the case for many people who class themselves as gay or lesbian but somehow I don't think that is a coincidence. Nuture over nature?

Personally, I do think we all have the potential to be bisexual..just like we all have the potential to be homosexual or straight too! If we lived in a world without restraints, religion, political correctness and all that jazz then perhaps people would concentrate more on the consciousness rather than the shell of a person.

This has turned into babble but it's just my two cents :)

[thethirdeye]

Interesting.

I read an article not so long ago that said research has actually shown that sexuality is partially determined by genes and hormones in the womb. I'm not sure I buy that though as I believe when a child is born, it's mind is like a blank canvass and that things that he/she is taught and experience will ultimately shape the person they become. Gender ID is something that is learned over time. It's like when people are talking about serial killers and they'll say "Oooh..he was born evil" - No. I don't believe that for one second.

I'm in no way saying this is true for everyone but I think this is quite relevant..
Most of the gay men I know, were brought up in a home where there was no other male influence. They were bullied and called "queer" at school for being small and quiet. The boys shunned them so they hung around with the girls instead. Do you think that these men were gay by default or that that kind of experience changed them in some way?
Also, every single lesbian I know has been abused by a man at some point in their lives. As I said..that won't be the case for many people who class themselves as gay or lesbian but somehow I don't think that is a coincidence. Nuture over nature?

Personally, I do think we all have the potential to be bisexual..just like we all have the potential to be homosexual or straight too! If we lived in a world without restraints, religion, political correctness and all that jazz then perhaps people would concentrate more on the consciousness rather than the shell of a person.

This has turned into babble but it's just my two cents :)



Yep, it is all true....
Well yea we have potential.We can become anything....but potential is energy..and energy has no
inteligence..energy is just energy...It flows where atention goes (David Icke) :)...We are the conciousness that give path to that energy...We can use it wisely or not...We can use it for
destructive purpose or for constructive purpose....We can become many identities...We can believe
that we are the MEssiah, or we can believe that we are gothic vampire.....We can kill many people
as Hitler did, or we can love all the humanity as Mother Theresa did.....but saying that someone have potential to be bisexual means that bisexuality is something that we should reach if we use "all our potential"....and indirectly, it put the bisexuality higher than "other orientations"---The same goes
for homosexual and straight....Thats why I hate that classifications....That separates people(straight, bisexual, homosexual)....I would make it simple...There are people that like to have sex with their genre...and there are people that don't like to have sex with the same genre...No philosophy, "no my orientation is better than yours"...Sex is earthy and I agree with mistress medusa "If we lived in a world without restraints, religion, political correctness and all that jazz then perhaps people would concentrate more on the consciousness rather than the shell of a person. "-----it is all just propaganda....some people know the power of suggestion so they enjoy confusing the minds of the people...


good post mistress....:);)

[magicmerlin]

I think this is an interesting topic and one that always raises a bit of heat! What I do find quite interesting is that thanks to the media, most people think that all gay men are camp and feminine, when in fact some gays are very masculine men and a historic look at gay/bi culture tends to agree that it was once considered a very masculine activity (roman warriors etc). I know that a large proportion of gay men actually find camp a huge turnoff. If the original poster is after some back-up for his argument, then you could suggest that men have been programmed to associate gay sex with campness, and therefore not condiser it an attractive 'option'. Before my mid-teens, I assumed that all gay men were camp, something that I now find laughable but it was simply through media and social conditioning (I mean, ''everyone knows that gays are camp''). Remember that the media like to give misrepresentations of people and cultures. What would the world be like if all the gays on TV and the social view of gay men wasn't camp but masculine?

[easypeasy72]

I'm 37 and male and don't think sexuality is bound by rigid definitions, people change through their lives and the desire to explore and experience new things in life is part of being human.

I find it hard to believe that anybody has never felt some curiosity regarding playing with someone of the same sex, It's just that social conditioning has put a sense of guilt into a lot of people's mind's if they even entertain the thought.

I myself blocked out these thoughts for about 25 years, my defence was to use homophobia to convince myself i was 100% straight. I see there is a difference between love and sex, I could never love a guy the way I fall for a woman but a few years back I had come out of a messy relationship with a lady and decided to be true to myself in future. This included me listening to the thoughts i had about trying things with a guy.

I was shaking with nerves the first time, still had a slight sense of guilt but i enjoyed the thrill of the experience.Now I am happy with that side of my being, It's the rest of my psyche that needs sorting out hehe.

[thethirdeye]

I'm 37 and male and don't think sexuality is bound by rigid definitions, people change through their lives and the desire to explore and experience new things in life is part of being human.

I find it hard to believe that anybody has never felt some curiosity regarding playing with someone of the same sex, It's just that social conditioning has put a sense of guilt into a lot of people's mind's if they even entertain the thought.

I myself blocked out these thoughts for about 25 years, my defence was to use homophobia to convince myself i was 100% straight. I see there is a difference between love and sex, I could never love a guy the way I fall for a woman but a few years back I had come out of a messy relationship with a lady and decided to be true to myself in future. This included me listening to the thoughts i had about trying things with a guy.

I was shaking with nerves the first time, still had a slight sense of guilt but i enjoyed the thrill of the experience.Now I am happy with that side of my being, It's the rest of my psyche that needs sorting out hehe.


well it's ok, I respect it....but why are u comparing everybody with you???
I have never feel curiosity...and neither many friends I know...I find it repulsing and disqusting.........so...........you is not ALL...it's just YOU.....respect other people......:)

You don't really know what the term homophobia is....or you just want to distort its meaning....

Homophobia is irattional fear of homosexuals.....

Are you trying to tell that all people that don't have same sex atraction are homophobic???

How do you connect the fact that 94% of the poppulation is heterosexual and they don't really have same sex atraction....with the fact that if you are bisexual....they must be too, and if they are not...the are homophobic...........

How do you connect the irrational fear of homosexuals...with your definition that if you don't have same sex atraction you have irational fear of homosexuals????

Are you brainwashed or something???????

Fine for you, if you enjoy sex with guys...It is the social conditioning that might put the idea that we should try sex with the same genre, today.....It might be the opposite???? But no, it is not possible XD but if someone doesn't like and doesn't even think of sex with the same genre...he is brainwashed by the society but the opposite is not true???....don't forget we make the society....and if society don't want to have sex with the same genre...that means that the most of the poppulation don't like it...

regards :)

[vetis]

agree with thethirdeye

some people believe everyone is curious but i would assume because they are or were. not everyone is the same.

[lyghtkynge]

Androgyny is PART OF ONENESS...One Being.

Let me show you a picture of the Androgyny:
http://www.dreamstime.com/yin-yang-symbol-blue-flare-thumb3277201.jpg

In the Upper Spheres, this is Unioned as Return to Eden, Integration-Unification.

In the Lower Realms, it's called bi-sexual, and is deemed distasteful when Expressed (the action of), for two-negatives and two-positives are unnatural. The result is "0" in both expressions, but with the Accumulational Potential/Potency of Negative Progression (-1, -2, -3, ad infinitum).

I well realize that most occult groups hold bi-sexual expression as the 'regenerational' secret factor: it is not: it is the Annihilation Factor, the Reverse/Inverted of the Forward/Upright REAL (like the eye processing an image, or an upside down image seen in a mirror...try it with a book, please). There's a a Dual Two-Way Flow Secret Here, however, for the "69" explains this clearly (to the Initiate), but the occultists have still misapprehended it's Truth: this is due to their Impatience to Gratify their Desire for Power...in this manner, they have failed to recognize that they are being sucked into the Void of Annihilation, the Abyss with No Face, No Name.

So, be careful. That which is Pure, rather then Lust, flows from/with Creative Principle.

I am a hetero male (expressed in flesh); however, I am fully androgynous in my Inner Self, and express this as Wisdom (Embodiment). This is the sequence of it: but I am not preaching, nor judging, just showing the Principle of the WORD. Refoldment will also clarify this as Recognition and Emulation of Purity of The WORD. (See Above.)

Nothing wrong with sex...sex is from Pre-Existence, and it is the Warped Interpretation of this Dual Force that leads to Entanglement, rather than Correct Spiralling of the Double-Vortexes of the Pre-Existant
S-WORD.

[thethirdeye]

Androgyny is PART OF ONENESS...One Being.

Let me show you a picture of the Androgyny:
http://www.dreamstime.com/yin-yang-symbol-blue-flare-thumb3277201.jpg

In the Upper Spheres, this is Unioned as Return to Eden, Integration-Unification.

In the Lower Realms, it's called bi-sexual, and is deemed distasteful when Expressed (the action of), for two-negatives and two-positives are unnatural. The result is "0" in both expressions, but with the Accumulational Potential/Potency of Negative Progression (-1, -2, -3, ad infinitum).

I well realize that most occult groups hold bi-sexual expression as the 'regenerational' secret factor: it is not: it is the Annihilation Factor, the Reverse/Inverted of the Forward/Upright REAL (like the eye processing an image, or an upside down image seen in a mirror...try it with a book, please). There's a a Dual Two-Way Flow Secret Here, however, for the "69" explains this clearly (to the Initiate), but the occultists have still misapprehended it's Truth: this is due to their Impatience to Gratify their Desire for Power...in this manner, they have failed to recognize that they are being sucked into the Void of Annihilation, the Abyss with No Face, No Name.

So, be careful. That which is Pure, rather then Lust, flows from/with Creative Principle.

I am a hetero male (expressed in flesh); however, I am fully androgynous in my Inner Self, and express this as Wisdom (Embodiment). This is the sequence of it: but I am not preaching, nor judging, just showing the Principle of the WORD. Refoldment will also clarify this as Recognition and Emulation of Purity of The WORD. (See Above.)

Nothing wrong with sex...sex is from Pre-Existence, and it is the Warped Interpretation of this Dual Force that leads to Entanglement, rather than Correct Spiralling of the Double-Vortexes of the Pre-Existant
S-WORD.


Intresty philosophy........

You are right...sex is earthy:)
and having sex in various forms and expresions.....it is earthy again......
Androgyn God was the god that masons were worsiping if I am not mistaken...

My opinion is..... that Oneness is neither male, neither female, neither androgyn.....
It is just.....creator of all beings.......Lets assume that there is civilization that have 4 genres,(A,B,C and D) not 2....>Should they assume that oneness is mixture of their 4 genres and
not our 2?.A, B, C, D?

People imaginate the god...or oneness acording to their image...Oneness might be everything and nothing...As the old Greeks gave human perosnalities to their gods, we are giving our 2 genres to our Oneness . Oneness is everything...the trees, the amebas, the rocks, rivers, mountains, people, all planets all system...In this physical body we are little drop in the ocean......we are cell into the organism called God, Or Universe or Oneness......But we are water, and in the ocean we lose our identity in the identities of the collective counsiousness.....all collective energy and consiousness in the space create the Oneness........So we are part of the rock......
our inner "self" or whatever it is....is the same as rocks, mountains, space, and energy etc........so it is not realy identificated....it is neither androgynos, neither any genre....it is everything and nothing in the same time........:confused:

I think that nobody realy knows whats the purpose of our existence...who are we, where are we coming from, where are we going.........Nobody really understands that principes.......We use 2
of 12 DNA patterns....the other 10 are genetic junk....JUnk DNA......so we are just retarded idiots that create many philosophies and religions to explain the unexplainable..........we neither know, does Matrix exist, do Illuminati exist......what is real...it might appear that the gods of the Celtic Mithology were real :confused: just kiging:) we don't really know what is the truth...we just create answers that would make us happy.....but what it is we don't know....

I personaly believe in ultimate Truth, and I don't believe that we simply create the reality......So reconstruction of the genres on the basis of an androgyene theory....is something that is somehow apstract and part of our rich imagination...nothing else :)

This is my belief :) nobody knows whats out there

regards

[lyghtkynge]

This is my belief :) nobody knows whats out there

I see you are traveling the Path, but have not yet reached the Middle Gate.

Your belief (quote above), is incorrect.

The One divided Into Two, which can be named as any Two Prime Archetypal Opposing Forces you can conceive of. The Third, as Expression of Duality (Motion), flowed from these Two, which are known as the Twin Spirals, also called the Double Vortexes. Other names, indicating same, are acceptable. As is Mother-Father, Feminine-Masculine, Black-White, Dark-Light, et cetera.

Somebody does, indeed, "know" what's Out There. Indeed. Your belief (limited) and opinion is not able to limit the REAL, or Pre-Existence, The WORD. It is. It's Alive, and is Tiered. It talks, communicates, teaches, Directly and Indirectly. It is Universal Law (as AllVersal Law).

Please step out of the darkness, and look around.

You're opinion regarding Androgyny is also unsupportable: Due to the Prime Oscillation of Universal Two-Way Flowing Force (Initial Impetus of Intrinsic Intelligence), the 'sex force' [male, female, androgyny] is a Reflection of The REAL (Reflected UnReal, or Illusion Realm/Lower Level), which is Immortal Non-Sex or Perpetual Motion of Pre-Existence. The Two Compose the One upon ReUnion, after the Splitting of The One (via Intent-Will).

But, each must learn this in their own time.

I wish you to know, Knowledge of the Prime Archetypes does, indeed, exist, and many are awre of it, but few will Reveal; and those that do, already are precluded in their efforts by Ignorance and Innocence. It is The Great Work, and unfolds within each and All.

Some think no handbook is issued at brith. Wrong: they must reach for it.

Truth as Principle Exists (is Extant), and may be discovered by Self.

After the Prime Archetypes are Understood, the Patterning is Entered/encountered (creation). This becomes interpretational as Viewpoint and Point View. All Flows From the One, then Two, then Three (Birth from Union of the Two). Principle.

I have also met a number of the 'Out There' beings, and my experience includes spontaneous cosimic consciousness. Try it sometime (drugs will not help here, as they are only limited experiences, window views). You can Union with The One (this makes Two, until Nothing, Infinity, Refolds into the Absolute, or WORD Pre-Existence).

Belief is not required at the Prime Archetype Levels: this IS. ($ = LifeForce)

[thethirdeye]

I see you are traveling the Path, but have not yet reached the Middle Gate.

Your belief (quote above), is incorrect.

The One divided Into Two, which can be named as any Two Prime Archetypal Opposing Forces you can conceive of. The Third, as Expression of Duality (Motion), flowed from these Two, which are known as the Twin Spirals, also called the Double Vortexes. Other names, indicating same, are acceptable. As is Mother-Father, Feminine-Masculine, Black-White, Dark-Light, et cetera.

Somebody does, indeed, "know" what's Out There. Indeed. Your belief (limited) and opinion is not able to limit the REAL, or Pre-Existence, The WORD. It is. It's Alive, and is Tiered. It talks, communicates, teaches, Directly and Indirectly. It is Universal Law (as AllVersal Law).

Please step out of the darkness, and look around.

You're opinion regarding Androgyny is also unsupportable: Due to the Prime Oscillation of Universal Two-Way Flowing Force (Initial Impetus of Intrinsic Intelligence), the 'sex force' [male, female, androgyny] is a Reflection of The REAL (Reflected UnReal, or Illusion Realm/Lower Level), which is Immortal Non-Sex or Perpetual Motion of Pre-Existence. The Two Compose the One upon ReUnion, after the Splitting of The One (via Intent-Will).

But, each must learn this in their own time.

I wish you to know, Knowledge of the Prime Archetypes does, indeed, exist, and many are awre of it, but few will Reveal; and those that do, already are precluded in their efforts by Ignorance and Innocence. It is The Great Work, and unfolds within each and All.

Some think no handbook is issued at brith. Wrong: they must reach for it.

Truth as Principle Exists (is Extant), and may be discovered by Self.

After the Prime Archetypes are Understood, the Patterning is Entered/encountered (creation). This becomes interpretational as Viewpoint and Point View. All Flows From the One, then Two, then Three (Birth from Union of the Two). Principle.

I have also met a number of the 'Out There' beings, and my experience includes spontaneous cosimic consciousness. Try it sometime (drugs will not help here, as they are only limited experiences, window views). You can Union with The One (this makes Two, until Nothing, Infinity, Refolds into the Absolute, or WORD Pre-Existence).

Belief is not required at the Prime Archetype Levels: this IS. ($ = LifeForce)


WOW, TEACH ME MASTER :)

FIRST OF ALL...I want to know, which literature are you using???
Second, I want to know, what makes your ideology more competent than my??? Is it more proven, more truthful or it is just another belief system made of many logical ideas that MIGHT have some sense????

IT sounds like this.......

You know, the arche of all the begining was the time....The time is not linear it is circled and it is divided in many spheres that take place one above another.....Looking it from fourth dimensional perspective it is a form of matter and energy that vibrate on high level frequency...genres are mathematical constants and if some genre believes that it is the other genre.....it distort the system and it become virus in the system...the system of the timed energy is mathematicaly destroyed because the 1245674 constant get another copy of the lastest dimension.......

Does it make sense to you???
-Yea, it might sound logical...but it is not REAL....people are not sure about the reality of all the things we see...concret things....trees, sky....we believe that they are MATRIX illusions...and you are trying to convince me that your unsupported belief system is REAL???? it is just belief system...If you didn't read the books that you have readen....you should have another belief system that you are convinced that is real....

What is the diference between you, and a buddhist, or another believer...
The buddhist can make more mirracles and prove his abilities and the truth of his theory.
you CAN'T prove yours.

Look my friend.....you might use diferent types and kinds of literature....and you might believe that you have found the ultimate truth either.......

hahahahah, how many gates should I unlock master:confused:???

Can you personaly levitate, make telekinesiss or somehow PROVE your deep abilities and enlightment?????

IF you make some "miracle" before my eyes....I personaly am your slave forever :)

BUT YOU CANT.....SO, you are nothing more than just another ideological man/woman convinced in his personal belief system...(or another belief system that you have readen from somewhere) that believe that found the enlightment, as many many more........you are the same as the priest, the catolic POPE, the false gurus........Nobody know the real truth.....

BUT EVERYBODY BELIEVE THAT THEY FOUND IT........What makes YOUR truth more real than my truth.....????:confused:

We should learn and respect other peoples worldviews...you are nothing special....We are all in the same mess here...looking for the right "answers"...

Do you have the final knowledge????

You're opinion regarding Androgyny is also unsupportable: Due to the Prime Oscillation of Universal Two-Way Flowing Force (Initial Impetus of Intrinsic Intelligence), the 'sex force' [male, female, androgyny] is a Reflection of The REAL (Reflected UnReal, or Illusion Realm/Lower Level), which is Immortal Non-Sex or Perpetual Motion of Pre-Existence. The Two Compose the One upon ReUnion, after the Splitting of The One (via Intent-Will).

Unsupportable???
And your opinion is supported....???


Were you there??? Did you see it??
It is another theory in your head......your brain trys to make logical reason of all taken information...so you are trying to make sense...and support a theory that can be truthful about all the data that you have in your cerebral cortex...and unconcious mind.....

I can tell the opposite theory of yours....SO....

In the begining, the One didn't realy split....It just gived life with it's one way flowing force...The males and females are divided in the physical world...because they must create more life-forms...Souls don't have genre, neither they are androgyne........???

You see.....


Your theory is just value.....
Everything that CAN BE PROVED....is truth....everything else is belief system...

"Due to the primal Oscillation"

What is PRIMAL?
DOES TIME EXIST?

the 'sex force'

WHAT IS FORCE.....CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT???
ICKE SAID, WHERE ENERGY EXIST, THERE IS THE MATRIX....
THE ONENESS IS NOT ENERGY, NEITHER FORCE......

BUT AS I SAID, I DON'T TRY TO CONVINCE OTHERS IN MY TRUTH....YOU DO...
You are talking about the ultimate truth....


"lowed from these Two, which are known as the Twin Spirals, also called the "Double Vortexes"

CAN YOU PROVE THIS....????
I can say lowed from these 12 that are known as the 12 supervortex spirals, also known as the double helix pyramidic spirals..But sometimes...some mixed triangles are messing the spirals, so we have another dimension creation :eek::confused: hahaha:P

You see.....you should open your eyes and look behind the belief system that YOU hold.....I personally say that I don't really know the truth....

If you really know it.....if somehow can you prove me your abilities...and practicaly show me that you really have right, ok.....BUT DON'T SAY that the material worlds can't prove the non-physical or some similar crap like the information you have cannot be explained and understood by my non "evoluted" mind... Because it is just a crap, defence of your unsupported belief...

confirmation bias

"It is the peculiar and perpetual error of the human understanding to be more moved and excited by affirmatives than by negatives." --Francis Bacon

Confirmation bias refers to a type of selective thinking whereby one tends to notice and to look for what confirms one's beliefs, and to ignore, not look for, or undervalue the relevance of what contradicts one's beliefs. For example, if you believe that during a full moon there is an increase in admissions to the emergency room where you work, you will take notice of admissions during a full moon, but be inattentive to the moon when admissions occur during other nights of the month. A tendency to do this over time unjustifiably strengthens your belief in the relationship between the full moon and accidents and other lunar effects.

Representativeness error
This tendency to give more attention and weight to data that support our beliefs than we do to contrary data is especially pernicious when our beliefs are little more than prejudices. If our beliefs are firmly established on solid evidence and valid confirmatory experiments, the tendency to give more attention and weight to data that fit with our beliefs should not lead us astray as a rule. The problem with the representativeness heuristic is that what appears typical sometimes blinds you to possibilities that contradict the prototype

Selective thinking is the process whereby one selects out favorable evidence for remembrance and focus, while ignoring unfavorable evidence for a belief

As I said...we should all learn, learn learn and learn


I have also met a number of the 'Out There' beings, and my experience includes spontaneous cosimic consciousness. Try it sometime (drugs will not help here, as they are only limited experiences, window views). You can Union with The One (this makes Two, until Nothing, Infinity, Refolds into the Absolute, or WORD Pre-Existence).

Belief is not required at the Prime Archetype Levels: this IS. ($ = LifeForce)

I have been astraly proected in many diferent and strange places and I have seen many diferent and strange creatures.....and have been visited many diferent realms....from some kind of gothic peaceful realms, full with prana, good smell and peaceful sounds...too scary negative places full with fear and destructive emotions, scary disturbing music and astral vampires...I am astral traveler long years ago.........so........I still don't know the truth:)

Can you explain me what is the HOLE IN THE DESTRUCTIVE LOW FREQUENCY RUBBIN ENERGY???...
and how the astral traveleres explain it???

I really want to see how do you explain it...but you can't find it on internet...Because it is known by Pane Andov and similar astral travelers...

If you are experienced on this field you should not have problems to explain it

[lyghtkynge]

Your first mistake was presuming a fourth or fifth reproductive type.
This shows a wild mind that's ready to believe anything, regardless of principle, and knowing little of that principle to begin. Asexual or male-female.
(This is thought minus understanding of principle, which was presented). Perhaps you wish to include spontaneous generation of being, which is how it all got started: this is the androgynous Creative Presence, one of the three aspects of generation.

Your second mistake is asking for proofs. And then demanding that nothing 'is real' without supporting 'proof' systems, the bastion of any and all materialists, who's 'material proofs' (including scientific) are constantly being changed, upgraded, or disproven. This is the realm of nature and it's localized [perceivable] laws. Nothing is Absolute, except The WORD, which is beyond Duality.

Your third mistake is to issue challenges, then 'insist' that they be answered. Very commonly known as the materialist's answer to the Unknown, which is unanswerable, due the materialist's own self-imposed evolutional limitations.

I wish you well on your journey through hyper-craziness.

Thanks, and have a good day.

[thethirdeye]

Your first mistake was presuming a fourth or fifth reproductive type.
This shows a wild mind that's ready to believe anything, regardless of principle, and knowing little of that principle to begin. Asexual or male-female.
(This is thought minus understanding of principle, which was presented). Perhaps you wish to include spontaneous generation of being, which is how it all got started: this is the androgynous Creative Presence, one of the three aspects of generation.

You still cannot explain the word sexuality..?? but you use it...

What is it...Is it used potential for procreation????That's what sexuality should represent right?
And if that's sexuality...I know in this world procreation can only be between male and female...There isn't such s thing as an asexual, a bisexual or a homosexual...because sexual is procreation and theseone cannot procreate :confused: am I mistaken???


Your second mistake is asking for proofs. And then demanding that nothing 'is real' without supporting 'proof' systems, the bastion of any and all materialists, who's 'material proofs' (including scientific) are constantly being changed, upgraded, or disproven. This is the realm of nature and it's localized [perceivable] laws. Nothing is Absolute, except The WORD, which is beyond Duality.

Heh, that was my point...People cannot even prove that the tree is real, and it isn't, so your theory is less real.....it is just....theory...
You cannot prove anyhow exept with you fault logic....because the only proof is your WORD...and your word cannot prove.... Your word is far away from apsolute my friend :)
I told you..you will say crap as this cannot be proven on material way..blabla bla hahhahaha:D
Am I mistaken again?:confused:

Your third mistake is to issue challenges, then 'insist' that they be answered. Very commonly known as the materialist's answer to the Unknown, which is unanswerable, due the materialist's own self-imposed evolutional limitations.

I wish you well on your journey through hyper-craziness.

Thanks, and have a good day.

If I am materialist, you are subjectivist...and we are both in SOME KIND OF IDEOLOGY....But I am rational you aren't rational...That's the case....

Don't forget...materia is the realised part of the spiritual world....If you have something material...It has been existing in the spiritual world...>Your WORD and IDEOLOGY doesn't exist anywhere... Strange:eek:

You are evolutional limited....And you don't understand...>You say the PRIMAL ....
After the Prime Archetypes are Understood, the Patterning is Entered/encountered (creation).

Due to the Prime Oscillation of Universal Two-Way Flowing Force (Initial Impetus of Intrinsic Intelligence),

and primal is begining....and begining is time..and time is evolution..there is not evolution, there is not time, there is not begining and there is not PRIMAL

Would you explain what RUBIN Energy is?
Is it hard???:(

Logical Fallacies

Logical fallacies are errors that occur in arguments. In logic, an argument is the giving of reasons (called premises) to support some claim (called the conclusion). There are many ways to classify logical fallacies. One way is listing the conditions for a good or cogent argument and then classifying logical fallacies according to the failure to meet these conditions.

One of the more common fallacies of relevance is the ad hominem, an attack on the one making the argument rather than an attack on the argument. One of the most frequent types of ad hominem attack is to attack the person's motives rather than his evidence. For example, when an opponent refuses to agree with some point that is essential to your argument, you call him an "antitheist" or "obtuse. (or materialist)

cogent refutation
One of the characteristics of a cogent refutation of an argument is that the argument one is refuting be represented fairly and accurately. To distort or misrepresent an argument one is trying to refute is called the straw man fallacy. It doesn't matter whether the misrepresentation or distortion is accidental and due to misunderstanding the argument or is intentional and aimed at making it easier to refute. Either way, one commits the straw man fallacy.

In other words, the attacker of a straw man argument is refuting a position of his own creation, not the position of someone else. The refutation may appear to be a good one to someone unfamiliar with the original argument.


Hey, you have a lot of things to learn......we are learning all our life...even if you don't want to say yes and you know that I am right.

Your egoism doesn't let you say that you are wrong but its ok...I understand you :)

We are all humans, we make mistakes sometimes....It is not bad for you to learn new things, and new ways and points of view...Don't be afraid to open your eyes :)

regards my friend...
Respect

I hope that we all have dual respect and this disscution is more productive than destrutive...
It is just discussion and exchanging of ideas....nothing more :)

[ofgilead]

I pose as no expert on sex, or the chemistry/biology that drives it. I do however throw down ideas to contemplate.

We are animals whose brains have systematically been separated to function only through logic (mostly anyhow). I have no idea what emotional ramifications this would have on one.
Could this separation of hemispheres lead to a distinction of love for a man or woman? Could this logical/intuitive malfunction cause sexual propaganda to affect us more so than an unseparated brain?

A book about the separation of our hemispheres (http://www.amazon.com/Origin-Consciousness-Breakdown-Bicameral-Mind/dp/0618057072)
I've never read this book, but its intriguing. After reading the abstract I don't know how well it would relate to this. But I thought I would put it up here anyhow, maybe someone will have an epiphany due to it.

[ofgilead]

i didn't mean to be such a sesquipedalian yall.



(dry, sarcasm doesn't translate well to text :D

[biblegirl]

I consider myself predominantly straight, but I think if not for the societal conditioning and programming - in another time and place I would probably be out there experimenting with my sexuality as would many guys - but it would be out of pure curiosity more than inherent, hard-wired in desire I think. Seeing how it compares to being with a girl kinda thing, I would likely revert to point A (straight) though once I had dabbled.


I'm 37 and male and don't think sexuality is bound by rigid definitions, people change through their lives and the desire to explore and experience new things in life is part of being human.

I find it hard to believe that anybody has never felt some curiosity regarding playing with someone of the same sex, It's just that social conditioning has put a sense of guilt into a lot of people's mind's if they even entertain the thought.

I myself blocked out these thoughts for about 25 years, my defence was to use homophobia to convince myself i was 100% straight. I see there is a difference between love and sex, I could never love a guy the way I fall for a woman but a few years back I had come out of a messy relationship with a lady and decided to be true to myself in future. This included me listening to the thoughts i had about trying things with a guy.

I was shaking with nerves the first time, still had a slight sense of guilt but i enjoyed the thrill of the experience.Now I am happy with that side of my being, It's the rest of my psyche that needs sorting out hehe.



Wow, a lot of great posts on this thread. The OP asked a valid question, but I don't think that what the elite do have anything to do with this, I think they are harnessing the particular energies needed by those acts to use in rituals. Heterosexual sex can be used for magic too, so there, so I don't think we can really judge what is natural from what the elite are doing.

Heavy topic. I think I will start by easing the tension a bit with a quote from a website on the difference between men and women:

Men's magazines often feature pictures of naked ladies. Women's magazine also feature pictures of naked ladies. This is because the female body is a beautiful work of art, while the male body is hairy and lumpy and should not be seen by the light of day.
http://baetzler.de/humor/differences_men_women.html

LOL! If you found that offensive, then please do not read on.

Are we all bisexual? Hmm, probably not, but I'm willing to believe that there are waaaaaaaaay more bixexual people than we are made to think.

I can identify with the posts above, and I am glad there are some people honest enough to admit these things.

I think women are lovely, and to be honest I have an easier time being sexually attracted to their beautiful curvy figures than to mens bodies. I really could not ever see "falling in love" with a woman, or having a girlfriend/girlfriend "relationship", especially not playing the masculine feminine roles! I just have no interest women in THAT way. I do have girl crushes and feel chemistry between myself and other women, and I have wondered if maybe part of what I'm picking up on is the other girl's inclination that way, we are just too shy to say anything about it. Also I seem to have a "type" of girl that I am attracted to, just because a girl is pretty does not mean I will be attracted to her.

In spite of the sexual attraction, I can't see having a passionate intimate encounter with a woman the same way I can with a man. I think with a woman it would be more of a, "let's have some drinks and see what happens" kind of situation lol! Also it seems if I tell a guy about my attraction to women, his immediate response is whoo hoo, a threesome! But I'm like, ewww! LOL!! Sorry guys, just because the idea of girl/girl sounds hot at the time, doesn't mean you can just add a guy to the equation to both the girls' delight *hears the shattering of mens worlds worldwide*.

At the same time it's a little hard for me to picture a man being attracted to a man's body, since even I have trouble there. That is fine with me though, because I can understand being attracted to the same sex.

As someone mentioned earlier, I also have times when I can be turned on by myself. Does that mean I lust after me? Lol!! :D

Sexual attraction is a tricky subject, I think this is as much as I want to say on the topic for now :p. Hope you enjoyed this little glimpse into a hetero/bi/curious girl's mind.

[marpat]

Isnt the soul supposed to contain both sexes? even christ implied that when asked about married people in the afterlife. His response was that they are neither married nor given in marriage because they are like the angels in heaven, which means they are either asexual or androgynous.

[ytch]

This theory will piss a lot of people off, but please try to keep an open mind about it. It's just a theory after all...

What if we are all bisexual, but we have been taught to suppress, fear and be ashamed of our homosexual side?



Oh heavens crikey,

god forbid....

I was supposed to make a joke about that,
but now I realized how sad it would be
if anyone on this forum
(exept the infiltrators, trolls, christian (or any religious)fanatics etc...)
would be "pissed" because of this "theory".

Wasn´t it "proven" by scientists years ago anyways?

Love & Lube,

your not so gay today

ytch

[thethirdeye]

Isnt the soul supposed to contain both sexes? even christ implied that when asked about married people in the afterlife. His response was that they are neither married nor given in marriage because they are like the angels in heaven, which means they are either asexual or androgynous.

Well I think it is the second one....Or maybe other type of sexuality....
If angels are androgynous than all the angels should have sex each other but I quess it is the second, they are asexual...

Or it is possible that sexual creativity is not sexual as here in the earth....
Imagine angel that take energy from his hands and give that energy to some tree....The tree grows up.....it is creative too...but in this earthy life sex is other stuff....it is animalisitic lust that is geneticaly programed to care about procreation... The insticts for eating, sex, vomiting etc...are located in the reptilian brain...it is a brain that played a role in the survival of the species...But people have, higher levels of conciousness today and there are more sophistical parts of the human brain development as the cerebral cortex is(we know it as the concious mind) so Reptilian Agenda is intended to keep people concetrate of their animal insticts, sex(all kind of sexual practises, porns, viagra etc...) food(hamburgers, and other types of unhealthy food) killing, drugs etc etc...
SO that PREVENT the human beings from highering their levels of conciousness... it is intended to limit the people on their insticts...So people believe in the illusion that they are higher and they are free...but in fact they are slaves of their own animal insticts :)

[1977]

Tradition holds that angels were able to copulate with human females, so that the implication is that angels have either working penises or are hermaphroditic. So perhaps Jesus was saying that heaven was a nonstop free-love fuck-and-suck.

[marpat]

Well I think it is the second one....Or maybe other type of sexuality....
If angels are androgynous than all the angels should have sex each other but I quess it is the second, they are asexual...

Or it is possible that sexual creativity is not sexual as here in the earth....
Imagine angel that take energy from his hands and give that energy to some tree....The tree grows up.....it is creative too...but in this earthy life sex is other stuff....it is animalisitic lust that is geneticaly programed to care about procreation... The insticts for eating, sex, vomiting etc...are located in the reptilian brain...it is a brain that played a role in the survival of the species...But people have, higher levels of conciousness today and there are more sophistical parts of the human brain development as the cerebral cortex is(we know it as the concious mind) so Reptilian Agenda is intended to keep people concetrate of their animal insticts, sex(all kind of sexual practises, porns, viagra etc...) food(hamburgers, and other types of unhealthy food) killing, drugs etc etc...
SO that PREVENT the human beings from highering their levels of conciousness... it is intended to limit the people on their insticts...So people believe in the illusion that they are higher and they are free...but in fact they are slaves of their own animal insticts :)

you are thinking in terms of sexual being but I am looking at it from the angle of containing both masculine and feminine forces, which are manifest as sex in physical bodies. Therefore they would not be having sex but have the potential to manifest as either.

[lyghtkynge]

you are thinking in terms of sexual being but I am looking at it from the angle of containing both masculine and feminine forces, which are manifest as sex in physical bodies. Therefore they would not be having sex but have the potential to manifest as either.

Excellent, marpat. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it understand the mystery of Truth (Waters of Life). (Er...you know what I mean! Poor horses!)

[luciferhorus]

Just to restate:

http://www.jessefrancis.com/images_antiwar/02/animal_homosexual_behavior_judah_christian_school_ 1.jpg

"No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphids. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

On Human Sexuality and Cultural, Social and Religious Conditioning

I think that we can all understand why some illiterate, undeducated farmer in Afghanistan who has been indoctrinated since birth by Muslim Imams can end up believing that it is 'good' to stone to death people who violate the sexual laws of the Koran.

Similarly with a child raised in a Nazi orphanage, it is entirely understandable that the child, indoctrinated since birth would grow up to believe that Nazism is 'good.'

Similarly with most of the older European generation who have been raised in a predominately 'Christian' and homophobic culture; the effect of religious and social conditioning is apparent and effects their views on sexuality, just as such conditioning affects the indoctrinated and socially conditioned Muslim and Nazi.

In Ancient Rome and Greece, bisexuality was commonplace and in ancient Sparta bisexuality was apparently compulsory.

In the animal world there is no such conditioning, there are no holy books, instruction manuals or priests; they behave entirely in accord with their nature.

The modern European education system promotes neither homosexuality, bisexuality nor heterosexuality, but encourages tolerance of all three sexual stereotypes; in European society a person is entirely free to follow their own true will and indeed to 'experiment.'

http://img132.exs.cx/img132/54/blackhomofag0ml.jpg

Homophobia (fear of men)

That which we fear we tend to hate. Generally in the homophobic culture of the football hooligan, it seems clear to me that they prefer to fight each other and that there is a fear of 'loving' each other or being intimate with each other. Frankly I cannot conceive of such hatred being 'natural,' since I do not believe we were born to 'hate' other human beings. I can entirely understand why in the past there has been a resitance to gays in the military, since it is a culture of violence, aggression, bullying, humiliation, etc., which is not conducive to men loving other men and being intimate, but rather of 'killing' other men (and women and children).


The Future World.

To reach a world of love and leave behind this world of hatred and suffering, there will have to not only be a political /economic revolution (economic Communism) but a sexual revolution which we now see the beginnings of and have been witnessing at least since the 1960's; I predict a future world of universal sexual communism (polyamory) and sexual freedom and the end of the curse of monogamy, which is entirely unnatural.

http://i.pbase.com/o6/58/642258/1/92406017.AliKgDOI.Photo043RecliningHermaphrodite.j pg

Natural.

A common perspective is that same sex relationships are unnatural and that further they do not produce children. I very much doubt if any modern woman considers that sex is purely for procreation; any woman who did think like that would be producing a child every time she had sex and would only have sex for procreation and would end up with 20 or 30 children assuming she survived.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/2004/style/090604/androgyny/photos/andrgny_top.jpg

We are all a mixture of male and female genes, and thus genetcially 'androgynous (Gr. from aner: man, and gyne: woman).' There are numerous 'pretty' female looking males who have an abundance of female genes; often such males are depicted as sexual objects and fashion models in female magazines; indeed the image of the ideal male depicted in female oriented media is often a gay male; the image of a large testosterone laden male covered with body hair may be OK for selling hamburgers and tractors, but it hardly works on the catwalks of the fashionistas.

http://www.pantibar.com/ImageViewer.aspx?mode=scalewidth&w=400&au=images/blank.gif&u=attachments/jesus1.jpg

Sin

If, as the Christians argue, we are 'sinners' for following our natural sexual desires and end up in hell, then perhaps the entire animal kingdom will also end up in hell with us, but it shall not be so.

The perverted morality of many Christian Capitalists is that the good Christian 'sins' if they have a same sex relationship or abandon monogamy, but that it may be 'good' to join the army and to wage war against Muslims, dropping fire from the sky on peoples who refuse to submit to Christian Capitalist imperialism; for that they are more likely to end up with their Capitalist god in Hell.

Love and Sex are entirely two separate experiences and both are entirely natural and not to be resisted; they represent the opposite of sin and are entirely part of the purpose of life.

Sexual preferences

If we do not have sex, we still imagine having sex; if we do have sex, in the inner world of fantasy we may imagine having sex with someone other than our current lover. This is entirely natural, we are created as only one half of a pair of lovers and our 'other halves' are the myriads of humanity; our sexuality is not determined by our physical actions but by our minds; if we have a lover but imagine having sex with others, we are naturally non-monogamous. If a person has an opposite sex relationship but sometimes imagines in the realm of sexual fantasy having same sex relationships, that person is bisexual, and if a person 'always' fantasises about same sex relationships that person is gay, irrespective of their behaviour in the physical world.


Love and Light

Lucifer.


http://www.luciferia.tv/1ChildrenOftheSlaves/Godisablacklesbian.jpg

[lyghtkynge]

You sure can kick it outta the field, LH!

And it's nice clairity, too. (Them dolphins and apes is going to hell, I'm certain!)

In the immortal words of Woody Allen,

"Love creates tension; SeX relieves it."

The Double-Vortexes in Action-Void-Reaction.

[jrhartley3165]

This theory will piss a lot of people off, but please try to keep an open mind about it. It's just a theory after all...

What if we are all bisexual, but we have been taught to suppress, fear and be ashamed of our homosexual side?

Just think about it - bisexuality was the norm in ancient Greece, and from what I have read homosexuality is apparently common among otherwise straight men at the Bohemian Grove (the "elite"). Add to that all the reports about members of the elite who are having gay relationships on the side, as well as Alister Crowleys "sex magick" rituals... Perhaps these people knew/know that bisexuality is something normal while manipulating the masses to think it's something shameful in order to control us?

Also, subliminal advertising often plays on latent homosexuality (see "The Age of Manipulation" by Dr. Key).

What are your thoughts on this?


I've posted this on another thread concerning homosexuality.

All males have acquired female genes after our evolutionary division from the great apes. How do we know this ? Man alone among the higher primates has nipples. These confer no evolutionary advantage and so are not the result of natural selection.
Nipples are specifically female in all other animals that possess them.

[karenxwearsxprada]

Socitey makes people mostly straight , some people just tend to not conform like myself who has felt feelings for both sexes

[mistress_medusa]

Aren't all EMO kids bisexual these days?

Fucking anarchists!! :D

[mauviene]

Aren't all EMO kids bisexual these days?

Fucking anarchists!! :D

Hey I am not emo and I am bisexual..

Really though..they are two different things.

The feeling another male gives you is not a replacement for the attraction of the opposite energetic polarity.

It's just a different kind of love.

[mistress_medusa]

Hey I am not emo and I am bisexual..

Really though..they are two different things.

The feeling another male gives you is not a replacement for the attraction of the opposite energetic polarity.

It's just a different kind of love.

Hey, I was just kidding man! :)

I'm not "emo" either. I'm a grown up!

It just makes me laugh to see kids saying "I am bi. I am a NON-CONFORMIST!11!"
Oh really? Is that why the rest of your gang are all "bisexual" too. Perhaps that's why you all have the same skinny jeans, slit wrists and backcombed hair too? You are just far too much of a hell-raiser for me. Why don't you go kick over that bin too? Puh-lease.

Maybe I am just bitter because back in the day, it was still seen as something negative to be bisexual or gay and these days it's more commonplace. I can't be the only one who has noticed this "trend" ??
Walking past a local "alternative" club a few years ago, I overheard some moronic girl saying to her friend "Oh, you're not bi? HOW SAD. I am. Everyone is now" No lie.
You'd think it'd been promoted or something! :rolleyes:

[deathcultreject]

Personaly, I think that gay people would have to be a bit desperate to go for an insecure person who says,

"Well, we're all a bit bi, but conditioned against it.'

So I'm going to declair myself to be a red blooded staunch heterosexual. I tried bi and didn't like it.

And then hopefuly I won't have to put up with any desperate advances towards insecure political correctness.