I really really want to beleve in a God

[takhisis]

However, what proof is there that god exists, why is my life a shitpool , why cant i find love , why i am alone , why do i have to work 40+ hours a week , Why do i have to pay the chruch "donations" why why why . what is the power of jesus? would a loving person/entity like jesus condemn humanity to live the life we living now? killing people for resources allowing animals to die from our pollution , the reaping of his creation? Seriously i would love to know what kind of god is jesus to make us or put us through this World? where since birth we are taught how to lie , and deceive people our entire world structure is built around lies and deciets, Why does everyone in life let you down? does Love Exists i am sorry but i cannot beleve a loving god would put me through this hell we call life

[quetzalcoatl]

Well, believe in yourself then! :)

However, what proof is there that god exists, why is my life a shitpool , why cant i find love , why i am alone , why do i have to work 40+ hours a week , Why do i have to pay the chruch "donations" why why why . what is the power of jesus? would a loving person/entity like jesus condemn humanity to live the life we living now? killing people for resources allowing animals to die from our pollution , the reaping of his creation? Seriously i would love to know what kind of god is jesus to make us or put us through this World? where since birth we are taught how to lie , and deceive people our entire world structure is built around lies and deciets, Why does everyone in life let you down? does Love Exists i am sorry but i cannot beleve a loving god would put me through this hell we call life

Oh all that was the 'Devil'.. :rolleyes:

*hint hint*

[quetzalcoatl]

Juz how I see it sometimes.. ;)

[dreamweaver]

However, what proof is there that god exists, why is my life a shitpool , why cant i find love , why i am alone , why do i have to work 40+ hours a week , Why do i have to pay the chruch "donations" why why why . what is the power of jesus? would a loving person/entity like jesus condemn humanity to live the life we living now? killing people for resources allowing animals to die from our pollution , the reaping of his creation? Seriously i would love to know what kind of god is jesus to make us or put us through this World? where since birth we are taught how to lie , and deceive people our entire world structure is built around lies and deciets, Why does everyone in life let you down? does Love Exists i am sorry but i cannot beleve a loving god would put me through this hell we call life

Well, I'm a non-believer, but even I would say that the above doesn't really tell you much about whether God does or doesn't exist. You have free will, it's up to you to make your own choices about what to do with the cards you are dealt.

These are hard and challenging times for most people, so I'm not surprised you are asking these things - but I think you know that you're not going to find the answers on a messageboard, they can only really come from within.

[takhisis]

Well, I'm a non-believer, but even I would say that the above doesn't really tell you much about whether God does or doesn't exist. You have free will, it's up to you to make your own choices about what to do with the cards you are dealt.

These are hard and challenging times for most people, so I'm not surprised you are asking these things - but I think you know that you're not going to find the answers on a messageboard, they can only really come from within.

Absolutly right , i was just ranting expressing my most inner most thoughts at that moment times are indeed tough for most of us, i am sorry if i offended anyone with my rantings

[miracles]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5-ZQfDqfQU

[quetzalcoatl]

Well, I'm a non-believer, but even I would say that the above doesn't really tell you much about whether God does or doesn't exist. You have free will, it's up to you to make your own choices about what to do with the cards you are dealt.

These are hard and challenging times for most people, so I'm not surprised you are asking these things - but I think you know that you're not going to find the answers on a messageboard, they can only really come from within.

Wot does non-believer mean? - There is no God/Gods?? There are no miracles in life? everything is by accident (possibly mathematically near impossible) ie - natural selection / evolution?? :confused:

Or ya juz don't swallow the status-quo on religion? :confused:

[dreamweaver]

Absolutly right , i was just ranting expressing my most inner most thoughts at that moment times are indeed tough for most of us, i am sorry if i offended anyone with my rantings

Not at all, I can't see how anyone would be offended. :)

[quetzalcoatl]

Not at all, I can't see how anyone would be offended. :)

O'RLY ?? - I bet ya can.. :p

If anyone is offended tis usually their own problem.. :cool:

[jake49]

However, what proof is there that god exists, why is my life a shitpool , why cant i find love , why i am alone , why do i have to work 40+ hours a week , Why do i have to pay the chruch "donations" why why why . what is the power of jesus? would a loving person/entity like jesus condemn humanity to live the life we living now? killing people for resources allowing animals to die from our pollution , the reaping of his creation? Seriously i would love to know what kind of god is jesus to make us or put us through this World? where since birth we are taught how to lie , and deceive people our entire world structure is built around lies and deciets, Why does everyone in life let you down? does Love Exists i am sorry but i cannot beleve a loving god would put me through this hell we call life

Hey ;)
I'm 25, I've been on a big journey in my own way and my own life... but I don't pretend to know anything... and I'm not going to try and answer any of those questions.... but I do want to say something I recognised in you.

I'll explain why I'm saying this, but I actually think you're a brave person. I'm not referring to this thread, that's just naturally what comes out on your journey which is unique to where most people are.

I don't know where you're at with everything. So I'll say what's a possibility of something which I find really encouraging about what you're saying... 'the good side to it'... if you like.... But if I'm missing something, it's cause of my almost completely limited understanding of everything else about where you're coming from.

What I find to be the good side to all of this...... is that in terms of all the world has to offer you, to dive into... to sleep in... as in: "ignorance is bliss"... Inviting you into the illusion......

You are so disconnected from that. You describe a longing for life... and yet you are strong enough to not use the 'quick fix' solutions the world offers you. This strength is quite incredible. I believe that what you experience now, as you persevere and KEEP GOING!... it will build up character in you for what is ahead...... the world has laid foundations in you, which will not take the height and strength of the things you will do in the future.... and architect will tell you that the height and strength of a building, is determined by the width and depth of it's foundations.
The emptiness which is left, when what the world wants to build in you is refused... is wrenching.... waking up each morning month after month, year after year.... reaching out, "I NEED STRENGTH"....

These feelings of wanting to find love, wanting to connect... Everyone has these.... and some people find it truely.... but most people only have 'quick fix' solutions that the world offers...
Shakespear said, "God hath given you one face, but you give yourselves another"...
The bible says, "Man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart"...
So we shouldnt be too drawn in by longing for the illusion around us..... the path we're on is to a true understanding of ourselves and this life..... we may never fully arrive.... but there are certainly levels we reach, where things we long for will happen! love, relationship, connection, doing things we love to do with passion....

Martin Luther King said,
"the spirit of man does not move without great difficulty, against all the apathy of conformist thought within ones own bosom and in the surrounding world"....

Keep going mate... persevere... every moment you embrace the emptiness that comes with letting go... and keep going, believing in yourself...... some day you will look back at all those moment, add the all together..... but what you will have that day will be infinitely worth more than it all! You will have your freedom.

Also with certain difficulties and problems... sometimes with some things, support from other people is needed to get back on your feet.
But if there's nothing too severe going on.... and it's just the emptiness and ache with life being taken away... and left with a "life" which feels more like an 'existence' day to day..... a feeling of life being withheld from you?...

I believe you're actually on a path to experiencing a level of life that not many people get to... and some day, you will have the things your heart dreams of... and also be able to help others access theirs.

To us all: Keep going.

[jake49]

I know so little about you... I'm only going off something I recognise within my limited understanding...

But I think you knew most of what I said anyway..... and I can definitely relate with much of what you said, both in the past and present... So it may just be that I'm projecting what's my reality onto the information you presented in your post... but what I'm saying is based on what I've experienced and what I hold onto also. I'm trying to give an honest response. If I'm way off 'where you're coming from'.... I simply hope that the understanding you long to have access to, becomes accessible to you, as I know it will.

I just made a track yesterday, it's only a sketch, but the lyrics are:

I need access to some light
I need a path which leads to life
I can't keep watching life go by
How to know what is right

I wrote another track last week, the lyrics are:

Do you find it hard to see,
How you can be the things you dream?
Then who told you who you are,
because I know what I see

You see it too,
You see who you are,
But like the sun
You can't look too long

It's time to wake up
time to look into the sun
Time to be brave,
Knowing who you are.
I know your feet hurt
from who you're being day to day
but don't stop dreaming
with that sun you'll find your way.

I have a bunch of tracks which are of a similar nature... which have come out of my journey, where I have experienced emptiness, loneliness, letting go, feeling like life is being held back, choosing not to be drawn into hedonism and conformist thought in the transient experiences the world offers as life... but instead believing there is more... and embracing the emptiness... persevering through the day to day 'existence'... while pursuing and searching for life, love, purpose, meaning, truth, answers, freedom, wholeness, emotional restoration, intellectual development, spiritual awakening, mind unscrambling, freedom from limitations....
To love and live from 'who I am'... and not within the illusion other influences have sought to conform my mind into.

If you sent me your email address, I'd be happy to send you a load of tracks I made... If any of this makes any sense, I hope they might resonate with the life that's already in you and bring some level of light into your journey, enhancing belief.
The production is rough.... but you should hear whats in it... and might be something else to listen to than main stream commercial tracks which generally enhance the communication of conformist thought... drawing us back into the illusion.

But, equally, if I'm way off with all of this..... I just wish you all the best on your journey!

much love anyway bro,
Jake.

[metacomet]

However, what proof is there that god exists,

Proof?

You exist. Don't worry, you can always call it an accident if you want :)

why is my life a shitpool
Because you are a spiritual being living in a physical world. Any hardship you go through is for the development of your spiritual body. It's impossible to understand or be grateful for this sometimes... when you die, maybe it will make sense.

, why cant i find love

You can!

, why i am alone

Because you've isolated yourself.

, why do i have to work 40+ hours a week

Because again, we are stuck a material dimension. You can always drop work, lose your material possessions and stop worrying about all of it. You won't though, because we are beings of desire.

, Why do i have to pay the chruch "donations"
You don't!

what is the power of jesus? would a loving person/entity like jesus condemn humanity to live the life we living now?

What fault is it of Jesus' or even GOD's that we as spiritual beings decided to incarnate in the physical?

We wanted sex, we wanted food and physical pleasures. We knew we would suffer to acquire these things. Now that our species has come this far, we all want to blame God.

killing people for resources allowing animals to die from our pollution , the reaping of his creation?

In the physical world, things must die to feed the life of others. This is another line of the contract we signed. We have no right to pout about it.

Seriously i would love to know what kind of god is jesus to make us or put us through this World?

You will understand when you die. Maybe you can understand in this life, right now...but the fact that you want to blame God (like so many people) indicates that you're not ready to accept this.

where since birth we are taught how to lie

If we didn't know how to lie, how could we catch the lies of others? A completely innocent child does not lie... but they are the most vulnerable thing in the world because they can't tell when someone is lying to them. If you look far back into your childhood you will remember these kind of instances.

Why does everyone in life let you down?

Because it is not their responsibility to save you or live up to your expectations. Likewise, you don't need to save anyone and you can do what you want...and yes, that will let other people down.

does Love Exists i am sorry but i cannot beleve a loving god would put me through this hell we call life

Hey man. What makes you think the creator is responsible for everything?

We human beings love to blame the parents. Sometimes the parent has nothing to do with a child's behavior. God has nothing to do with the foolish activities we have been taught by 'bad children' around us.

[enga]

However, what proof is there that god exists, why is my life a shitpool , why cant i find love , why i am alone , why do i have to work 40+ hours a week , Why do i have to pay the chruch "donations" why why why . what is the power of jesus? would a loving person/entity like jesus condemn humanity to live the life we living now? killing people for resources allowing animals to die from our pollution , the reaping of his creation? Seriously i would love to know what kind of god is jesus to make us or put us through this World? where since birth we are taught how to lie , and deceive people our entire world structure is built around lies and deciets, Why does everyone in life let you down? does Love Exists i am sorry but i cannot beleve a loving god would put me through this hell we call life

Maybe Hinduism is more your cup of tea?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/

[arty2000]

Juz how I see it sometimes.. ;)

you see it pretty good:);)

[takhisis]

I know so little about you... I'm only going off something I recognise within my limited understanding...

But I think you knew most of what I said anyway..... and I can definitely relate with much of what you said, both in the past and present... So it may just be that I'm projecting what's my reality onto the information you presented in your post... but what I'm saying is based on what I've experienced and what I hold onto also. I'm trying to give an honest response. If I'm way off 'where you're coming from'.... I simply hope that the understanding you long to have access to, becomes accessible to you, as I know it will.

I just made a track yesterday, it's only a sketch, but the lyrics are:

I need access to some light
I need a path which leads to life
I can't keep watching life go by
How to know what is right

I wrote another track last week, the lyrics are:

Do you find it hard to see,
How you can be the things you dream?
Then who told you who you are,
because I know what I see

You see it too,
You see who you are,
But like the sun
You can't look too long

It's time to wake up
time to look into the sun
Time to be brave,
Knowing who you are.
I know your feet hurt
from who you're being day to day
but don't stop dreaming
with that sun you'll find your way.

I have a bunch of tracks which are of a similar nature... which have come out of my journey, where I have experienced emptiness, loneliness, letting go, feeling like life is being held back, choosing not to be drawn into hedonism and conformist thought in the transient experiences the world offers as life... but instead believing there is more... and embracing the emptiness... persevering through the day to day 'existence'... while pursuing and searching for life, love, purpose, meaning, truth, answers, freedom, wholeness, emotional restoration, intellectual development, spiritual awakening, mind unscrambling, freedom from limitations....
To love and live from 'who I am'... and not within the illusion other influences have sought to conform my mind into.

If you sent me your email address, I'd be happy to send you a load of tracks I made... If any of this makes any sense, I hope they might resonate with the life that's already in you and bring some level of light into your journey, enhancing belief.
The production is rough.... but you should hear whats in it... and might be something else to listen to than main stream commercial tracks which generally enhance the communication of conformist thought... drawing us back into the illusion.

But, equally, if I'm way off with all of this..... I just wish you all the best on your journey!

much love anyway bro,
Jake.


Thanks for the reassuring reply

[takhisis]

Proof?

You exist. Don't worry, you can always call it an accident if you want :)


Because you are a spiritual being living in a physical world. Any hardship you go through is for the development of your spiritual body. It's impossible to understand or be grateful for this sometimes... when you die, maybe it will make sense.



You can!



Because you've isolated yourself.



Because again, we are stuck a material dimension. You can always drop work, lose your material possessions and stop worrying about all of it. You won't though, because we are beings of desire.


You don't!



What fault is it of Jesus' or even GOD's that we as spiritual beings decided to incarnate in the physical?

We wanted sex, we wanted food and physical pleasures. We knew we would suffer to acquire these things. Now that our species has come this far, we all want to blame God.



In the physical world, things must die to feed the life of others. This is another line of the contract we signed. We have no right to pout about it.



You will understand when you die. Maybe you can understand in this life, right now...but the fact that you want to blame God (like so many people) indicates that you're not ready to accept this.



If we didn't know how to lie, how could we catch the lies of others? A completely innocent child does not lie... but they are the most vulnerable thing in the world because they can't tell when someone is lying to them. If you look far back into your childhood you will remember these kind of instances.



Because it is not their responsibility to save you or live up to your expectations. Likewise, you don't need to save anyone and you can do what you want...and yes, that will let other people down.



Hey man. What makes you think the creator is responsible for everything?

We human beings love to blame the parents. Sometimes the parent has nothing to do with a child's behavior. God has nothing to do with the foolish activities we have been taught by 'bad children' around us.





Hi Read your comments but i have a few of response to some of your answers


1. Just because i exist is not proof in god or jesus at all!

2. I never Isolated myself , i have had relationships all my life through high school , up until a few years ago , all of my relationship someone betrayed me, i am very socialable i enjoy going out , you know nothing at all about me to even say i have isloated myself

3.To tell you the truth i can give a flying fuck about material possesions , i cant even find a proper JOB to at least pay for anything,lets face it in reality most jobs in World with what these employers pay you most people cant even afford 1 bedroom flat ,Specially if you just have a High School Diploma , since you have to pay to goto collage most people cant even goto collage.

4.What fault is it of Jesus' or even GOD's that we as spiritual beings decided to incarnate in the physical?
Of course its his fault , i never personally asked to be on this fucking shit planet i never agreed to it. in fact i dont want to be here, hypoticially if aliens came and offered to take me off this world i would leave in a instant,witht he constant misery in life from every aspect of my life, Goverment for one is the main problem for the misery of the world. since you put it that way ,But without any evidance i cant even speculate there is a jesus or god .. i really find it quite hard to beleve JESUS would condem us to live in world such as ares if he is so loving and caring , with all the wars and famine, oppression , that sounds like real loving and caring god, if thats the case i do not want any part of this jesus fella


We wanted sex, we wanted food and physical pleasures. We knew we would suffer to acquire these things. Now that our species has come this far, we all want to blame God.

I would like to know when i said i wanted Sex ? Maybe you did but dont put words in my mouth

In the physical world, things must die to feed the life of others. This is another line of the contract we signed. We have no right to pout about it

I never signed a contract sorry ,maybe you did but i didnt



Because it is not their responsibility to save you or live up to your expectations. Likewise, you don't need to save anyone and you can do what you want...and yes, that will let other people down.
(your quote)

I never asked these fucking people to save me , when i said why do people always let me down , its from heartbreak of romantic relationships, or so called friends you find out arent your friends so again you dont know me dont catorgize me and sterotype me! and come to conclusions about me in your mind


Hey man. What makes you think the creator is responsible for everything?
CAUSE I WAS BORN INTO THIS FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT WORLD I NEVER WANTED IT SO YES HE OR A HIGHER POWER IS RESPONABLE FOR MY ENTRAPMENT ON THIS PLANET EARTH !

[takhisis]

Maybe Hinduism is more your cup of tea?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/

Maybe i will have to check it out , but honestly i dont beleve in any relegions i read alot and research , conspricys and things of that nature i for one like coming to my own conclusions , and one of my theories is, there is no relegion ,god or creator, i kind of beleve that we are god all of us collectivally

[metacomet]

1. Just because i exist is not proof in god or jesus at all!

No problem!

God is the sum total of all dimensions and realities in my opinion... so in my definition : yes, your existence is proof of God. But hey ;) Like I said, we are free to take the materialist route and say it was all an accident.

2. I never Isolated myself , i have had relationships all my life through high school , up until a few years ago , all of my relationship someone betrayed me

Totally understand. People turn on you in life... sometimes due to our changing. Which would be a form of isolating ourselves...

, i am very socialable i enjoy going out , you know nothing at all about me to even say i have isloated myself

Being social doesn't mean you're going to avoid loneliness, dude.


4.What fault is it of Jesus' or even GOD's that we as spiritual beings decided to incarnate in the physical?
Of course its his fault , i never personally asked to be on this fucking shit planet i never agreed to it.

Well, I can't really have this conversation if you don't want to believe that you came here through your own actions and desires. Taking responsibility for where you are is important.

99% of people are blaming everyone else around them for their position in life.


I would like to know when i said i wanted Sex ? Maybe you did but dont put words in my mouth

Good point. Sex was just one of the many carnal pleasures I listed, dude. And yes, you did come here to experience such things.


I never asked these fucking people to save me

Well that's good. You'd be surprised how many people are sitting around waiting for someone to save them.

, when i said why do people always let me down , its from heartbreak of romantic relationships, or so called friends you find out arent your friends

Totally. Do you see these as learning experiences or are they just shitty times?

It would say alot about your philosophy depending which answer you make.

so again you dont know me dont catorgize me and sterotype me! and come to conclusions about me in your mind

I'll do what I want and say what I want.


Hey man. What makes you think the creator is responsible for everything?
CAUSE I WAS BORN INTO THIS FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT WORLD I NEVER WANTED IT SO YES HE OR A HIGHER POWER IS RESPONABLE FOR MY ENTRAPMENT ON THIS PLANET EARTH !

Well now you seem totally willing to accept the existence of God!

Congratulations :)

[takhisis]

No problem!

God is the sum total of all dimensions and realities in my opinion... so in my definition : yes, your existence is proof of God. But hey ;) Like I said, we are free to take the materialist route and say it was all an accident.


Totally understand. People turn on you in life... sometimes due to our changing. Which would be a form of isolating ourselves...


Being social doesn't mean you're going to avoid loneliness, dude.



Well, I can't really have this conversation if you don't want to believe that you came here through your own actions and desires. Taking responsibility for where you are is important.

99% of people are blaming everyone else around them for their position in life.



Good point. Sex was just one of the many carnal pleasures I listed, dude. And yes, you did come here to experience such things.



Well that's good. You'd be surprised how many people are sitting around waiting for someone to save them.



Totally. Do you see these as learning experiences or are they just shitty times?

It would say alot about your philosophy depending which answer you make.


I'll do what I want and say what I want.



Well now you seem totally willing to accept the existence of God!

Congratulations :)


Again you didnt listen to anything i said you , just filled in the blanks with your own mind , rather then listening to what i had to say, obviously you dont know anything about me so dont summerize my actions with feelings you may have about what i said cause everything you commented on is not what i said



God is the sum total of all dimensions and realities in my opinion... so in my definition : yes, your existence is proof of God. But hey ;) Like I said, we are free to take the materialist route and say it was all an accident.

According to your own judgemen, there is no physical proof, this is your own belief not mine

Totally understand. People turn on you in life... sometimes due to our changing. Which would be a form of isolating ourselves...

Again you dont know anything about me so you dont know if i changed or not, so this repsonse is nonsense

Being social doesn't mean you're going to avoid loneliness, dude.
I do agree but, my response was in reply the ther 1st poster, he said i isolated myself , again he doesnt know me or what i did he was assuming i isolated myself

Well, I can't really have this conversation if you don't want to believe that you came here through your own actions and desires. Taking responsibility for where you are is important.
again if i dont remember myself agreeing to me coming on earth from my own actions then it never happened , knowing myself i would never agree to come here

99% of people are blaming everyone else around them for their position in life.

Who said i was blaming anyone i am asking what proof of there is of god , and why would a loving caring god condemed his loved ones to such a shit ass planet living in horriable conditions , that is not a loving god if there is even a such thing as god

yes, your existence is proof of God

NO its proof of nothing



I'll do what I want and say what I want.

great good for you and you should but DONT PUT WORDS IN MY FUCKING MOUTH SINCE YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME

[metacomet]

Again you didnt listen to anything i said you , just filled in the blanks with your own mind , rather then listening to what i had to say, obviously you dont know anything about me so dont summerize my actions with feelings you may have about what i said cause everything you commented on is not what i said

Dude, I just wasted more than enough time on addressing every single issue you presented.

Thanks for the complete lack of appreciation though. Wanker.

[takhisis]

Dude, I just wasted more than enough time on addressing every single issue you presented.

Thanks for the complete lack of appreciation though. Wanker.

your very welcome ;)

[element]

However, what proof is there that god exists,
Proof is in the practice. Did you honestly think anyone can bring you proof with some words, books, concepts and all of that. It is all guessing, and it's very interesting. But real change comes through practice. Go meditate everyday, start slowly, it will fix you up. That's just one example, it isn't the thing for everyone.
why cant i find love ,
What kind of love?
why i am alone ,
We're all alone. Why search for others, search for yourself first. Others can wait. :)
why do i have to work 40+ hours a week ,
That's too much. Tried something else yet..?
Why do i have to pay the chruch "donations" why why why . what is the power of jesus? would a loving person/entity like jesus condemn humanity to live the life we living now? killing people for resources allowing animals to die from our pollution , the reaping of his creation? Seriously i would love to know what kind of god is jesus to make us or put us through this World? where since birth we are taught how to lie , and deceive people our entire world structure is built around lies and deciets, Why does everyone in life let you down? does Love Exists i am sorry but i cannot beleve a loving god would put me through this hell we call life
Stop asking questions and make action. Why be afraid of change? You're already in a dirty pool now, it can't get worse can it? :)

[takhisis]

Proof is in the practice. Did you honestly think anyone can bring you proof with some words, books, concepts and all of that. It is all guessing, and it's very interesting. But real change comes through practice. Go meditate everyday, start slowly, it will fix you up. That's just one example, it isn't the thing for everyone.

What kind of love?

We're all alone. Why search for others, search for yourself first. Others can wait. :)

That's too much. Tried something else yet..?

Stop asking questions and make action. Why be afraid of change? You're already in a dirty pool now, it can't get worse can it? :)



That's too much. Tried something else yet..?


Yeah would love to if the world wasnt in a depression , no one is hiring, even with any job out there they never pay enough so you have to work 40-80 a week to get the basic necessities of life , these corpertations and companys pay majority of the people so much less the it actually costs to live in the world that most peopel have to work 2 jobs just to surive

[justnotsure]

Here are my few pennyworth.

Do you think God would want you to live the life you are leading? Do you want to live the life you are leading? Did he lead you there or did you?

Focus on what you want instead not on what you don't want? See if you can notice people around you who are having a much easier/happier life than you - what do they do, what are their behaviours/how did they get there.

Make this your sole interest - you and how you got to where you are and how you are going to get out of it.Treat it as seriously as you would any college course.

Go within ask God to show him/herself to you in a way you will know whether he/she exists? Take absolute total responsibility for everything in your life and then start working with God to change what you can.Ask God to reveal to you what needs to change. Believe it will happen and expect it to happen. Commit to improving your life. It can and will improve for you.

How do you learn? God may try to reach you through that medium - he reached me through books/courses etc because I love reading.

You may not know it but you sound as if you are in a great place - on your knees and not prepare to suffer any more. God can work with you now - will you give him the chance.

Blessed are the poor in spirit.....

oh and by the way do not try to define God, none of us know what he/she/it is - pure positive energy, intelligent thinking stuff I dunno - your inner life/spirit is your own personal connection ready for you to use and be guided by.

[tjohn]

However, what proof is there that god exists, why is my life a shitpool , why cant i find love , why i am alone , why do i have to work 40+ hours a week , Why do i have to pay the chruch "donations" why why why . what is the power of jesus? would a loving person/entity like jesus condemn humanity to live the life we living now? killing people for resources allowing animals to die from our pollution , the reaping of his creation? Seriously i would love to know what kind of god is jesus to make us or put us through this World? where since birth we are taught how to lie , and deceive people our entire world structure is built around lies and deciets, Why does everyone in life let you down? does Love Exists i am sorry but i cannot beleve a loving god would put me through this hell we call life See if this makes sense to you.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67065

and cheer up! Some people do care. :)

[kidsarocker]

However, what proof is there that god exists, why is my life a shitpool , why cant i find love , why i am alone , why do i have to work 40+ hours a week , Why do i have to pay the chruch "donations" why why why . what is the power of jesus? would a loving person/entity like jesus condemn humanity to live the life we living now? killing people for resources allowing animals to die from our pollution , the reaping of his creation? Seriously i would love to know what kind of god is jesus to make us or put us through this World? where since birth we are taught how to lie , and deceive people our entire world structure is built around lies and deciets, Why does everyone in life let you down? does Love Exists i am sorry but i cannot beleve a loving god would put me through this hell we call life

The path to righteousness is not an easy path, Satan owns this World not God. During the temptation in the wilderness how can Satan offer Jesus all the kingdoms of the world? Think about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0pjp...e=channel_page

A day that is like a year Britain was his headquarters (British Empire)
A day that is like a month the United States was his headquarters
A day that is like a week Israel will be his headquarters

"Verily a day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning" - Sura Hajj

So 1 day = 1000 years
1 day = 1000/12 = 83.33 yrs
1 day = 1000/52 = 19.23 yrs
"One day like a year, one day like a month, one day like a week..."

1917 marks the year the Antichrist moved his HQ from Europe to the U.S.
1917+83=2000
9/11 ritual was for the Antichrist to move his HQ to Israel

1 day like a week - 200 + 19 = 2019 when the Antichrist will walk the earth for 37 days like ours.

"The time between the great war and the conquest of Constantinople will be six years and the Antichrist will emerge in the seventh" - Sahih Hadith
If the Antichrist emerges in the seventh year of the Mahdi, that means 2019-7 = 2012

One of the signs of the coming of the Mahdi is the coming of a comet tail near earth lighting up the sky and causing the sinking of coastal areas - Planet X?

[tusme]

However, what proof is there that god exists, why is my life a shitpool , why cant i find love , why i am alone , why do i have to work 40+ hours a week , Why do i have to pay the chruch "donations" why why why . what is the power of jesus? would a loving person/entity like jesus condemn humanity to live the life we living now? killing people for resources allowing animals to die from our pollution , the reaping of his creation? Seriously i would love to know what kind of god is jesus to make us or put us through this World? where since birth we are taught how to lie , and deceive people our entire world structure is built around lies and deciets, Why does everyone in life let you down? does Love Exists i am sorry but i cannot beleve a loving god would put me through this hell we call life
Hi Takhisis,

The "hell" (life) you're going through, is not a "loving god's" intention for you nor anyone else...!!

Know and be your Spirit Truth energy, it will offer you an understanding your Purpose and Love...!!

All you need then, is to express it...!! ;)

Good luck!! ;) :)

[enga]

Maybe i will have to check it out , but honestly i dont beleve in any relegions i read alot and research , conspricys and things of that nature i for one like coming to my own conclusions , and one of my theories is, there is no relegion ,god or creator, i kind of beleve that we are god all of us collectivally

There is kind of an idea of this in Hinduism to do with Atman (kind of the self)

It is not known to many that when a Hindu worships an idol, he simultaneously, and in many cases unknowingly, worships his inner self, which he symbolically installs in the object of his worship before performing the ritual of worship. The process is generally referred as prana-prathishta, or "establishing life breath."

It is also interesting to note that among the many reasons why Hindus bear the names of gods and goddesses as their personal names, one is that it is a way of acknowledging the presence of god in man.

Man is a god in the making. Inside his body resides the eternal soul whose ultimate destiny is the Supreme Self. "The breath that exists in him is also the same life breath that sustains this universe. His body is verily a living temple, a city of nine gates, in which resides the divine soul."
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/beliefinsoul.asp

I think some Hindu believe we are all part of God.

[danceswithbunnies]

The way to find God is to stop believing.
Turn away from pretenders who argue endlessly from books, you won't find God there.

God exists but doesn't exist at the same time.
Exist-To BE...what does To Be mean?
It means to be present in one place at one time.
But 'God' is in all places in all times.
Transcendent and immanent.

You have to find God for yourself.
Logic and reason are good for detecting lies (contradictioning ideas) in words, but words are just representations of what goes on in our heads.

To find God, Be Still.
Get in a quiet place, and focus on (simultaneously)
your heartbeat,
breathing,
energy of your body.


This is an effective way to quiet the mind devised by the Zen philosopher Alan Watt.
See John Selby Quiet the mind for further help.
http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Your-Mind-Easy-Use/dp/1930722311/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243964801&sr=8-1

Quieting the mind helps you to experience the magic and ineffability of BEING.

This is a step on the path to knowing God instead of just believing.


Unfortunately when you ask for advice, you will get many opinions but not many of them will help you to find the truth for yourself.