Miracles

[cruise4]

I've been thinking about Miracles. Lets take the water into Wine example. If Jesus turned the water into wine by altering his reality, how would other people know? Surely the people would have to alter their reality to see it? There is some sort of contradiction here but I can't quite pin it down. Hopefully others input will help.

(PS... Its an example... lets not go off on the Christianity thing)

[sheartemis]

Transsubstance (?) is something slightly different, I would say, but - as you said - let's not go off on that christianity thing.

I believe we should be very careful when it comes to miracles, to those things nobody can explain. People go ecstatic because they are healed, they see Mary and baby Jesus...
To start with, it's crucial to accept that what we see as miracle and perfectly "good stuff" may be pulled of by black forces. With our so limited senses, we are very easily fooled and so uncapable of seeing the situation behind the veil of deception.
I think we should just be careful and try not be agitated in any way by what seems a miracle. Sometimes we are if we only hear other people talk about it.
There are entities that make things happen, but these miraculous things may serve purposes we know nothing of.
And sometimes, I just think they are having fun making us look like stupid fools.:D

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

such things are very possible, and many different culture have reported simmilar abilites-not through, or by a deity, by training! i believe jeusus was quite real, and he is a real presence in the universe-although maybe alittle mis quoted-he is the son of God just as we all are the children of God, and he represents the potentiality of mankind. im not at his level of majikal power, yet, but getting there. once you understand that the mind can manipulate latent energies, and then lern how to develope this skill, then understand that everything is energy wine and water-everything is made from the base creation energy, so at the moment i am able to deconstruct physical material (not fully in one go, i'm not that good-but i can take apart the base energy structure of things), so so if i'm not jeuses and last time i check my underpant they certainly did not have that name (actaully i when was the last timei wore...er...forget about that bit!), buti can do that , so just imagine if a guy existed who could not only take it apart but put it back togetehr again in a different manner....why the hell not? what i'm, doin is impossible, yet i do it everyday....