did george washington want NWO,he was afreemason?

[andy_pandy]

well do you think America was founded by masons and Illuminati to star a NWO

are masons really evil and want a NWO , after all Tony Blair is a Freemason ....yikes thats all i can say for now

[kappy0405]

Not really..

I believe Rothschilds/Weishaupts Bavarian Illuminati infiltrated several Masonic lodges, and that influence made it to America in its original lodges. Infact, George Washington even stated that this was a fact "too evident to be questioned". That said, most Masons are probably completely unaware of any of this. They (Illuminati) didn't have 'control' over America until Rothschild central banks became prominent in the early to mid 1800's.

The signing of the Federal Reserve was the clincher, imo.

That leverage allowed their 'thinktanks' and organizations to run wild & heavily influence policy. The 20th century was pretty much entirely theirs.

[bowtiedaddy]

Sort of. I mean, they even say it's a new order of the ages...

however, the trick is.. that was a GOOD new world order (an age of soveriegnty, liberty, and limits on government authority).

The new world order that we're having pushed on us is merely the old world order.

Many Masons are fine. Ron Paul is a mason, from what I know and look at what kind of a man he is, and the fruits of his labour. I agree that it's filled with a bunch of reprehensible people, but it's also filled with some average people.

For example, there is a memoir that I read somewhere where Benjamin Franklin (Freemason, Rosicrutian, and I believe he was a member of some strictly European orders as well) cleared up why he joined some secret societies, not because he wanted to be a member, or believed anything they were saying or doing, but because he knew you had to infiltrate them to some degree to get as far as he wanted to get in politics, and he wanted to change the world for the better.

[bowtiedaddy]

Not really..

I believe Rothschilds/Weishaupts Bavarian Illuminati infiltrated several Masonic lodges, and that influence made it to America in its original lodges. Infact, George Washington even stated that this was a fact "too evident to be questioned". That said, most Masons are probably completely unaware of any of this. They (Illuminati) didn't have 'control' over America until Rothschild central banks became prominent in the early to mid 1800's.

The signing of the Federal Reserve was the clincher, imo.

That leverage allowed their 'thinktanks' and organizations to run wild & heavily influence policy. The 20th century was pretty much entirely theirs.

Yeah. a lot of people think that just because the Illuminati came about in 1776, that means that they founded the USA. I personally believe that it was formed as a reaction, to try to wrestle control back toward Europe. Unfortunately since then, they've been getting more and more control back, and now it's probably almost to the point of being a fucking colony again, albeit unofficially.

[grandsecretary]

well do you think America was founded by masons and Illuminati to star a NWO

are masons really evil and want a NWO , after all Tony Blair is a Freemason ....yikes thats all i can say for now

Is this what Looby Loo told you Andy? Tony Blair is definitely NOT a freemason, and never has been. God forbid!

And Washington pre-dated the Illuminati. Apparently he wasn't a very good Mason either, hardly ever attending his lodge.

[grandsecretary]

Sort of. I mean, they even say it's a new order of the ages...

however, the trick is.. that was a GOOD new world order (an age of soveriegnty, liberty, and limits on government authority).

The new world order that we're having pushed on us is merely the old world order.

Many Masons are fine. Ron Paul is a mason, from what I know and look at what kind of a man he is, and the fruits of his labour. I agree that it's filled with a bunch of reprehensible people, but it's also filled with some average people.

For example, there is a memoir that I read somewhere where Benjamin Franklin (Freemason, Rosicrutian, and I believe he was a member of some strictly European orders as well) cleared up why he joined some secret societies, not because he wanted to be a member, or believed anything they were saying or doing, but because he knew you had to infiltrate them to some degree to get as far as he wanted to get in politics, and he wanted to change the world for the better.

Completely wrong about Franklin. May I suggest that you read this: http://grandlodge.blogspot.com/2008/03/benjamin-franklin-english-freemason.html

Enjoy.

[cafetimes1991]

In the Biggest Secret, I think David mentions that bodies were found under Franklins'sLondon home, and that he sacrificed them? I ordered the book into our local library, so I can't check right now.

[boots]

Washington was a good mason.

Benjamin Franklin was one sick perverted mason who was a integral member of the Hellfire club. They found bodies underneath his house within the last 9 years. The MSM tried to dismiss it as his experiments on human biology:rolleyes:

[bowtiedaddy]

Completely wrong about Franklin. May I suggest that you read this: http://grandlodge.blogspot.com/2008/03/benjamin-franklin-english-freemason.html

Enjoy.

That's what Franklin said. I have no idea what the real truth is... just going by his own words.

[grandsecretary]

That's what Franklin said. I have no idea what the real truth is... just going by his own words.

Quotation and attribution please?

[thelonious]

And Washington pre-dated the Illuminati. Apparently he wasn't a very good Mason either, hardly ever attending his lodge.

Washington was an active Freemason, having served 3 terms as Worshipful Master of Alexandria Lodge, an Antient Lodge in Fredericksberg, VA.

The quote you may be thinking of was when he wrote he had not sat in an English Lodge in many years.

[flyermay]

And Washington pre-dated the Illuminati. Apparently he wasn't a very good Mason either, hardly ever attending his lodge.
October 24, 1798
Mount Vernon, October 24, 1798.

George Washington Snyder
"Revd Sir: I have your favor of the 17th. instant before me; and my only motive to trouble you with the receipt of this letter, is to explain, and correct a mistake which I perceive the hurry in which I am obliged, often, to write letters, have led you into. It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am.

The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a seperation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.

My occupations are such, that but little leisure is allowed me to read News Papers, or Books of any kind; the reading of letters, and preparing answers, absorb much of my time. With respect, etc."Source: Library of Congress (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=mgw2&fileName=gwpage021.db&recNum=199&tempFile=./temp/~ammem_U576&filecode=mgw&prev_filecode=mgw&itemnum=2&ndocs=2)

[thelonious]

As Weishaupt lived under the tyranny of a despot and priests, he knew that caution was necessary even in spreading information, and the principles of pure morality. This has given an air of mystery to his views, was the foundation of his banishment.... If Weishaupt had written here, where no secrecy is necessary in our endeavors to render men wise and virtuous, he would not have thought of any secret machinery for that purpose.

- Thomas Jefferson

[grandsecretary]

"... to correct an error that you have run into, of my presiding over English Lodges in this country. The fact is I preside over none, nor have I been in one more than once or twice within the last thirty years." George Washington

It depends on what he meant when he wrote about "English Lodges".

[thelonious]

It depends on what he meant when he wrote about "English Lodges".

Those who still had English charters, as the one he was initiated in did. During and after the War of Independence, the Provincial Grand Lodges in the colonies, both Athol and modern, became autonomous.

[grandsecretary]

Those who still had English charters, as the one he was initiated in did. During and after the War of Independence, the Provincial Grand Lodges in the colonies, both Athol and modern, became autonomous.

Oh I see, so in your opinion the quotation that I exhibited was a statement of American Masonic Independence away from both the English Moderns and English Antients form of freemasory?

[thelonious]

Oh I see, so in your opinion the quotation that I exhibited was a statement of American Masonic Independence away from both the English Moderns and English Antients form of freemasory?

From the form, no. Just from the sovereign jurisdictions.