Is it ok to infiltrate a Religion?

[manxboz]

I am currently a member of a Church that has some questionable roots, i really want to find evidence that Icke is right. Should i continue with the Church or should i back out?

[robindean]

I don't see anything wrong with it, as long as it doesn't cause you any trouble.

Stay in there if you like, as long as you know what religions really are..

[cafetimes1991]

I go to our local Protestant church, as I like the serenity, the singing, friendly atmosphere etc. I think that's alright. :)

[uncia]

I am currently a member of a Church that has some questionable roots, i really want to find evidence that Icke is right. Should i continue with the Church or should i back out?
Icke is not right. Christ is not a replicant of Horus. I would continue with the church, unless it is ungodly. But also bear in mind that other churches may not be any better.

[robindean]

Icke is not right.

..about what?

[dedicate]

Icke is wrong about religion being a fabrication, a creation of the Demons to control people. Icke see's the subject incorrectly because, he already holds the belief the religions are false. When someone holds that belief, then anything they see or discover will be used to fit the belief.

For example, I see some of the same things he does, but find those things validating religion. And I can more logically show the truth of it. Then, I find he is putting too much extrapolation into some of his critisisim -- his logical conclusions are not all that logical, and he could logically conclude something else just as easily.

[tracker]

I am currently a member of a Church that has some questionable roots, i really want to find evidence that Icke is right. Should i continue with the Church or should i back out?

Well ? In answer to the thread title -------- I did once infultrate a religion .
It was the jahovah witnesses .
I was fasinated by how hard they insist on spending time using only one book for any references .
i was also surprised with how - "the brothers" quickly surrounded me and attempted pulling me away from "the sisters" when I started out .
I was only making convo with those I had met before , but the men ? wow were they fast to arrive around me and attempt to pull me away .

However , away from that , in relation to the actual issue you have raised , I would say this ( and dont forget , this is only what I would do ), Try a little time away , dont go for a few weeks .
see how you feel .
If you miss it ----------return .
If you dont , then stay away until you do .
If you dont , where is the harm ?

:cool:

[guuna]

[QUOTE=tracker;1018487]Well ? In answer to the thread title -------- I did once infultrate a religion .
It was the jahovah witnesses .
I was fasinated by how hard they insist on spending time using only one book for any references .
i was also surprised with how - "the brothers" quickly surrounded me and attempted pulling me away from "the sisters" when I started out .
I was only making convo with those I had met before , but the men ? wow were they fast to arrive around me and attempt to pull me away .

However , away from that , in relation to the actual issue you have raised , I would say this ( and dont forget , this is only what I would do ), Try a little time away , dont go for a few weeks .
see how you feel .
If you miss it ----------return .
If you dont , then stay away until you do .
If you dont , where is the harm ?

When I was younger, I got involved with a group that was nominally Christian, called the International Church of Christ.

Unbeknown to me at the time, they were a group with some abusive tendencies similar to some aspects of the Jehovah's Witnesses, they were very active at the time recruiting on University Campuses in South Africa at the time (early 90'S)and actively targeted young and 'sharp' people. The world leader of the group was one Kip Mckean, a controversial figure.

It seemed to offer a alternative to 'mainstream' Christian churches and conservative belief systems.

There have been many accusations of abusive and controlling techniques and fear indoctrination tactics used by this group.

I left this group and suffered some mental health problems as a result, of course all this happened long, long before I heard of Icke and his work, it may be interesting to compare them now and see how they measure up to some of his ideas.

[danceswithbunnies]

I am currently a member of a Church that has some questionable roots, i really want to find evidence that Icke is right. Should i continue with the Church or should i back out?


Hell dude, why not?

They infiltrate our governments, a little turn about should be fair play...go for it!

[manxboz]

Well it's the Mormon Church guys, i want to find out if what Icke says is true.

[flickflack]

Well it's the Mormon Church guys, i want to find out if what Icke says is true.

I think you are wasting your time. But most importantly, have you actually thought about what to say if someone asks you what you believe in? The Mormons use to go to their church as families, and you would probably look like a a loner, going all by your self.

[marpat]

I am currently a member of a Church that has some questionable roots, i really want to find evidence that Icke is right. Should i continue with the Church or should i back out?

You want to find out that he IS right or that he MAY be right? if you already think he is then why are you still a member?

Icke often tells people to listen to their intuition so what does yours tell you?

[phildee3]

I am currently a member of a Church that has some questionable roots, i really want to find evidence that Icke is right. Should i continue with the Church or should i back out?



You cannot be an "infiltrator" and a member.
You are either there as a visitor - doing an anthropological study - or you're in for keeps.

What rites of initiation have you participated in?

You cannot break any vows that you may have taken, without sacrificing your integrity as a cosmic being.

[miracles]

I am currently a member of a Church that has some questionable roots, i really want to find evidence that Icke is right. Should i continue with the Church or should i back out?

what church:confused:

[miracles]

Well it's the Mormon Church guys, i want to find out if what Icke says is true.

get out of it

[miracles]

You cannot break any vows that you may have taken, without sacrificing your integrity as a cosmic being.

dont be ridiculous

[manxboz]

You cannot be an "infiltrator" and a member.
You are either there as a visitor - doing an anthropological study - or you're in for keeps.

What rites of initiation have you participated in?

You cannot break any vows that you may have taken, without sacrificing your integrity as a cosmic being.

I am a fully baptised member and have particpated in so Temple work. I can break vows to a false religion.

[manxboz]

I think you are wasting your time. But most importantly, have you actually thought about what to say if someone asks you what you believe in? The Mormons use to go to their church as families, and you would probably look like a a loner, going all by your self.

Not really, there is YSA (Young Single Adults) and many don't have families so i'm not a loner. I am one of about 6 loners in the Local ward. We are all accepted equally.

[manxboz]

You want to find out that he IS right or that he MAY be right? if you already think he is then why are you still a member?

Icke often tells people to listen to their intuition so what does yours tell you?

Mine tells me i need to find out the truth.

[freekki]

Being born a mormon and growing up within the culture of close-mindedness, I can say from my own experience that it won't do you any good to try and find any inkling of real truth from there.
Not only is the church's own past perpetually whitewashed by the leaders of the church, it's also harmful and judgemental (with oh so warm smiles) community to be involved with.

The ties with the masonic rituals and satanic symbols in the temple rites also still give me some cold chills up my spine.

Pay Lay Ale!

[phildee3]

I am a fully baptised member and have particpated in so Temple work. I can break vows to a false religion.



I don't think so.
The integrity of who you make a promise to is irrelevent to your integrity.

If I promise to pay someone twenty quid, I'm bound by that promise whether or not that person is a thief.


Now if you contract with somebody, and they then break that contract, then you are not bound to it.
Maybe you can get out that way,
but not unless they have gone back on their part of the deal!

[tjohn]

I am currently a member of a Church that has some questionable roots, i really want to find evidence that Icke is right. Should i continue with the Church or should i back out?Religion can be very deceptive so I would be careful that religion does not infiltrate you.

[manxboz]

Religion can be very deceptive so I would be careful that religion does not infiltrate you.

Thank you, great advice, don't want to fall in to deep that i become brainwashed.

[manxboz]

I don't think so.
The integrity of who you make a promise to is irrelevent to your integrity.

If I promise to pay someone twenty quid, I'm bound by that promise whether or not that person is a thief.


Now if you contract with somebody, and they then break that contract, then you are not bound to it.
Maybe you can get out that way,
but not unless they have gone back on their part of the deal!

But if you entered into a contract that was a pack of lies it is ok to break it.

[mindrevolution]

Stay in there, fuck as many of the women (or men) as you can and basically just cause a load of trouble.

[epic fail guy]

As long as there is no physical contact when infiltrating its fine by me.

[phildee3]

But if you entered into a contract that was a pack of lies it is ok to break it.



How can a contract be "a pack of lies"?
Give me an example.

To my understanding, a contract is an agreement between two (or more) parties, each promising to do something (or to not do something) in exchange for the other(s) doing (or not doing) something else.

If the promise is broken, then the contract is void.
Where do "lies" come into it?

[manxboz]

Offer me salvation in The Lord and it's the true Church what if it ain't therefore it's lies.

[hellosatellites]

Infiltrating a religion sounds fun...enjoy this part of your journey, and best wishes...