Russia in Bible prophecy

[december]

Russia in Bible prophecy


God and the nations


The Bible message primarily concerns the nation of Israel. The hope of a true Christian is therein styled "the hope of Israel" (Acts 28:20). Jesus Christ, the founder of Christianity, made this very clear when he said "Salvation is of the Jews" (John 4:22). This hope of salvation will be realised by the prospect of living forever in the Kingdom of God (2 Peter 1:11 & Daniel 7:27). The Kingdom of God is to be established in the earth with Jerusalem as it's capital city (Jeremiah 3:17). That is why the apostles asked Jesus, after his resurrection, if he was going to "restore again the kingdom (of God) to Israel" (Acts 1:1-6).

A cursory glance at the above passages of scripture will confirm that the nation of Israel features prominently in the purpose of God. Closer investigation will reveal that the Bible has much to say about other nations, especially those who inpinge on the life of Israel, as for example, Egypt, Babylon, Assyria etc. Looking at nations in modern times, we find that Bible prophecy is concerned with nations as Persia (Iran), Ethiopia and Libya (Ezekiel 38:5). From this chapter in Ezekiel we learn that these nations are involved in a confederacy which invades the land of Israel (verse 8). These invaders are defeated and destroyed by God, resulting in Israel being "saved with an everlasting salvation", (Isaiah 45:17) so that following the establishment of the Kingdom of God, "God will be known in the eyes of many nations" (Ezekiel 38:23).

The invading leader identified

The leader of this invasion is named as Gog, who is described as "the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal" (verse 2 RV). Unlike other names in this chapter at which we have looked, these ancient names have been superseded by more modern ones. Experts confidently assert that "Ros (or Rosh) is the most ancient form under which history makes mention of the name Russia", and Russian historians themselves confirm this by stating that "Russians derive their name from Ros". Ezekiel 38 adds it's own confirmation to this interpretation by pinpointing the geographical location of this prince of Rosh. This is described as "the north parts", or, as the revised version gives it "the uttermost parts of the north" (verse 15). A glance at a map (see below) will reveal that in relation to the land of Israel, the territory of Russia lies in the "uttermost parts of the north". It is particularly noticeable that Moscow (Meshech) is almost due north of Jerusalem. There can be no doubt that the Gog of this chapter represents the person in control of the affairs of Russia and is the leader of the forces that will invade Israel.

When will this invasion happen?

It is abundantly clear that this event has has not yet happened. The evidence of history testifies that this invasion is yet in the future. The prophecy itself confirms this, whilst at the same time giving clear indicators of the period in which it will happen.

The invasion of the land of Israel takes place after it's inhabitants have been "brought forth out of the nations" to "dwell safely" (verse 8). They will inhabit "the desolate places" of the "mountains of Israel" (verses 12 & 8). They will be so successful in organising their economy that the invader will seek to overrun land in order to appropriate the results of Israel's prosperity. "Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?" (verses 10-13).

Today, we see a situation comparable to this. We see the Jews returning to their land in great numbers following the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. Along with this influx of Jews from around the world, the Israeli economy has mushroomed to such an extent that it is considered to be "an economic and technological powerhouse". At the same time, the Russian economy has plummeted, bringing it's people to the verge of revolt. President Putin and his government seem powerless to stem the tide of poverty and the resulting anger that is creeping in over the masses of the Russian people. The scene seems to be set for an envious Russia to cast it's eye in the direction of prosperous Israel. Never in the history of either country have their respective situations corresponded with the scenario that exists today! Add to this the way in which, in relatively recent years, the countries of Persia, Ethiopia and Libya (verse 5) have turned their backs on the West and allied themselves with Russia, and the jigsaw is ready to receive its final piece.


Current Russian President Vladimir Putin

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The Time is Ripe

The scene has been set in Bible prophecy. When the invasion of Israel by Russia takes place, it will be the signal for divine intervention in world affairs. "It shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come up against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, that my fury shall come up in my face" (verse 18). At this juncture the armies of the invading nations will be overthrown by Jesus Christ at his return to the earth, and the way cleared for the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the land of Israel.

http://www.gospeltruth.info/russia.htm


http://www.gospeltruth.info/images/russiamap.jpg

[peachped]

Hey gavnohead! You only mention Gog , but what about Magog (China)?


http://www.gotquestions.org/Gog-Magog.html

http://www.jonesreport.com/images/191106_bush_putin_hu.jpg


Without wanting to go off/topic..re gogmagog..

http://www.lordmayorsshow.org/visitors/history/gogmagog



...Our giants have no trace of the supernatural about them. They come from folk custom, deriving their names from pseudo-historical characters like Gogmagog, from Biblical history like Samson, or from classical mythology like Hercules. They are a part of a tradition in English pageantry which pre-dates Christianity.

The custom of carrying effigies and images at festivals is sometimes explained as an echo of the days when the same festival would have revolved around a human sacrifice. The victim was replaced with a symbolic representation, and as the old rites were incorporated into the Church, the sacrificial effigy came to represent the saint whose sacrifice was being celebrated. Whatever one thinks of this theory, the custom of carrying effigies at festivals was widespread in the middle ages both in England but on the continent, and the giants of pre-christian mythology were among them. The huge figures that you will see on the day of the Lord Mayor's Show are just the latest versions of pagan effigies that go back thousands of years.

[december]

So, did anyone read Ezekiel in the Old Testament?...

[lumukanda]

actually russia gets it's name from the rus, but nice try december.

Rus’ (Русь, [rusʲ]) is the name given to a population or group of populations, who, according to the most popular but by no means the only theory, may have taken its name from a ruling warrior class, possibly with Scandinavian roots. The name of the Rus’ survived in the cognates Russians, Rusyns, and Ruthenians, and as an entail, the Rus’ are viewed by the modern Belarusians, Russians, and Ukrainians, as the predecessors of the respective peoples.

The origins of the Rus as a warrior class are controversial. The question is whether East Slavic civilization owes an element of its cultural origin to the Scandinavian rulers of the 9th – 11th centuries, as implied by the Normanist theory, or whether that heritage may be attributed exclusively to the Slavs, as the Slavists would have it. Whereas most Western historians hold to the Normanist theory, many Slavic scholars take strong exception to it and attempt to discover alternative origins. Some take the view that the word Rus was not ethnically specific, but rather, like Viking in the west or Varangian in the east, designated an occupation ("merchant/raider/mercenary"). According to them, these occupations were filled mostly by Norsemen at first, and later on, by East Slavs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus'_(people)

[december]

...but nice try december.

Lumukanda, OPEN YOUR EYES and you will see that it wasn't me who wrote the article.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus'_(people)

Yes, wikipedia is where YOU get information from...

[lumukanda]

Lumukanda, OPEN YOUR EYES and you will see that it wasn't me who wrote the article.




Yes, wikipedia is where YOU get information from...

well we know that, you never write anything you post, but by posting it, one can only logically assume that you are agreeing with what's in it, unless otherwise stated.
i am going to assume that it was you highlighted the section about ros being where russia comes from in blue though.
look in a thousand sources man, i chose this wikipedia article because i've read it in numerous books before, the name russia comes from the scandanavian 'rus' who conquered that land you call home, a long time ago.

[lumukanda]

Russia
1538, from M.L. Russi "the people of Russia," from Rus, the native name of the people and the country (cf. Arabic Rus, Med.Gk. Rhos), originally the name of a group of Swed. merchant/warriors who established themselves around Kiev 9c. and founded the original Russian principality; perhaps from Ruotsi, the Finnish name for "Sweden," from O.N. Roþrslandi, old name of Roslagen "the land of rowing," where the Finns first encountered the Swedes. Or perhaps related to the IE root for "red," in ref. to hair color. Russian city-states were founded and ruled by Vikings and their descendants. The Russian form of the name, Rossiya, appears to be from Byzantine Gk. Rhosia. Slang or colloq. Russki "Russian" (1858) is from Rus. Russkiy. Russian roulette attested from 1937.


http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Russia

[december]

well we know that, you never write anything you post, but by posting it, one can only logically assume that you are agreeing with what's in it, unless otherwise stated.

Lumukanda, well now you see why I don't answer to people like you?
I just don't have time to argue about nothing... and I don't want to go into "nice try" silly stuff....

First you said - "Nice try, December" meaning what?
I wrote the Bible? :D

And now you go even futher and attack me personally. Man, grow up already...

I offered to discuss one particular chapter in the Old Testament. So, if you have anything to say about it, then do just that.

[synergy777]

its all open to interpretation, it depends on the authors stance. in asia we see gog and magog as uk and usa. also who has invaded the middle east/israel, its europe, rothschild/uk/usa, we didn't invade it as we were already there. a false church who doesn't even keep the ethnicity/colour/message of yashuah, can hardly be trusted, like i said before selective recognition.the awesome thing is on the vaticans coat of arms, yashuah is a negro, lol.

see the zionists/british israeli/kjv freaks see themselves falsely as the israalis, so are gonna spin it their way. look at the ismael/israel and isaac switch. ismael was first born hence the true inheritor. they even say hagar was a slave, sex slave, and hence not abrahams real wife, now what creator would give his chosen a slave for a wife? what creator would belive in slaves, no creator belives in slaves, but served a useful purpose didn't it?. see our mother was a slave, an egyptian slave, not nice is it.

check the angle, edit/bias/spin/agenda, next we will think europe discovered the americas,africas, lol. see all this deception goes back to the vatican/renaissance, when they changed everything, from yashuah, curse of ham etc. its the not the peoples fault, but the elites.

russia, the blondes were from the vikings/nordics, the brown/black from slav's(slaves)/east europeans.the north pole was not the origin, lol.

[synergy777]

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ibn_fdln.shtml#Risala

december check this link out bro.

Risala: Ibn Fadlan's Account of the Rus
Ibn Fadlan was an Arab chronicler. In 921 C.E., the Caliph of Baghdad sent Ibn Fadlan with an embassy to the King of the Bulgars of the Middle Volga. Ibn Fadlan wrote an account of his journeys with the embassy, called a Risala. This Risala is of great value as a history, although it is clear in some places that inaccuracies and Ibn Fadlan's own prejudices have slanted the account to some extent.

During the course of his journey, Ibn Fadlan met a people called the Rus, a group of Swedish origin, acting as traders in the Bulgar capital. The first allusion to the Rus comes toward the close of the description of the Bulgars. When the Rus or people of another race came with slaves for sale, the king of the Bulgars had a right to choose one slave in each ten for himself. The full description begins:

§ 80. I have seen the Rus as they came on their merchant journeys and encamped by the Volga. I have never seen more perfect physical specimens, tall as date palms, blonde and ruddy; they wear neither tunics nor caftans, but the men wear a garment which covers one side of the body and leaves a hand free.

[december]

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Russia

This is what you call a mainstream explanation of the name Rus. But if you dig deep enough you might find other sources...

Anyway, if you quick enough to find the history of a word RUS, than maybe you can tell as the meaning of words Meshech and Tubal?


Ezekiel - "the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal".

Quote:

It is particularly noticeable that Moscow (Meshech) is almost due north of Jerusalem.

How long will it take you to find out, lumukanda? :)

[fullfathomfive]

Gog & Magog - guardians of the City of London.

[synergy777]

five, thankfully someone who has skillz, nice 1 bro. we in nwo heartland, hence in the uk, we will be the elite of the anti nwo, lol.

what surprised me was the setting of v for vendetta, why london, considering it was the matrix directors, although based on a comic, i expected the usual hollywood spin, but they chose this sceptred isle.

[fullfathomfive]

Also interesting that Alan Moore has disowned the film describing it as having "plot holes so big, you wouldn't have gotten away with it in Whizzer & Chips".

[synergy777]

its fiction which sadly highights real political/societal trends, although they should have keira instead of natalie.

[lumukanda]

Lumukanda, well now you see why I don't answer to people like you?
I just don't have time to argue about nothing... and I don't want to go into "nice try" silly stuff....

First you said - "Nice try, December" meaning what?
I wrote the Bible? :D

And now you go even futher and attack me personally. Man, grow up already...

I offered to discuss one particular chapter in the Old Testament. So, if you have anything to say about it, then do just that.

you know what, you're right, i am offering nothing here am i?
my apologies december, i just re-read everything i wrote and there was no need for any of it, i may disagree with you on a number of topics, but the initial premise of your thread is actually a very interesting one (whether it's right or wrong is another question entirely), so once again, my apologies.

[fullfathomfive]

although they should have keira instead of natalie.

No, it should have been Scarlett Johansson, with her kit off.

[synergy777]

scarlett gots a great figure, very hourglass/curvy, like marilyn monroe.

[fullfathomfive]

Best December accent:

Why you post this filth? Mother Russia is my Fatherland. Hey David Icke moderators, where are you when shit on my thread? Putin is good guy, looks like James Bond. Synergy777 he is pornographer. I not answer you cos you is stupid. Read my first post, Jew. Did all British lost their minds?

http://img.lenta.ru/news/2005/04/11/sharapova/picture.jpg

http://www.white-history.com/hwr5_files/flood4.jpg

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[anoninnyc]

lol........... you crack me up.

[december]

...so once again, my apologies.

OK. No problem...

So, did you manage to find out about Ezekiel's Meshech and Tubal?

Quote: "the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal".


New American Standard Bible: and say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I am against you, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal.
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God's Word Translation: Tell him, 'This is what the Almighty LORD says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal.
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King James Version: And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
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Bible in Basic English: And say, This is what the Lord has said: See, I am against you, O Gog, ruler of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal:
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JPS Old Testament: and say: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal;
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World English Bible: and say, Thus says the Lord Yahweh: Behold, I am against you, Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal:

Alphabetical: against am and Behold chief GOD Gog I is LORD Meshech O of prince Rosh say says Sovereign the This Thus Tubal what you

Source -

http://onlineparallelbible.com/ezekiel/38.htm

[2013]

you know what, you're right, i am offering nothing here am i?
my apologies december, i just re-read everything i wrote and there was no need for any of it, i may disagree with you on a number of topics, but the initial premise of your thread is actually a very interesting one (whether it's right or wrong is another question entirely), so once again, my apologies.

Well done that man i like a man who can apologise (though not in a tele- evangelical rght wing christian preacher forgive me jeeezzUS send all money now Alleluia priase the lord i was a sinner type way ) Takes a lot to say i was wrong and not go into defense mode to cover the fact ,must be that cancerian integrity lol:D .Nice to see some real huamn beings discussing here on the thread,This on tubal giving a few ideas , itlay spain and georgia to name a few. Tubal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[december]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubal


The Georgian historian Ivane Javakhishvili considered Tabal, Tubal, Jabal and Jubal to be ancient Georgian tribal designations, and argued that they spoke a non-Indo-European language.

Tabal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmmm... interesting.....

[synergy777]

personally december i don't care what you think, i am not the one posting pics of tanned russians playing tennis, lol

also gog and magog are the oppressers of palestine. yashuah was palestinian not a east european jew. so whatever tribe of dan do, whatever the west do, whatever the saudis, zionists do, it doesn't matter. all that matters is that in the end we will reclaim our rightful lands, the lands of israel/palestine, the end of the road is approcahing for western imperialism.

palestine will be free, the manner in which we are treated, the manner in which you treat us as chattel, no more. the thing is over half of this forum is not worth debating with as they are not intelligent enough to rise above their eurocentric view of things, the whole alternative, i am liberal crap is just a delusion, i have seen it everywhere on these type of forums. the only forums that get close to the truth are from people who don't hiold a eurocentric view. enjoy your discussion, i for one will concentrate on forums with real people, who aren't suffering from stockholm syndrome. enjoy, ye shall be as gods, and enjoy the same fate.

rome gave you everything, and you still can't understand it, lol

[synergy777]

http://viewzone.com/davidkoresh.html


India's God Krishna Was the King of Jerusalem!By Gene D. Matlock


What a strange world in which we live! The Catholic Church has always known that Christianity did not begin with Jesus Christ, but yet it tries to make us think it did.

St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430 AD) wrote: "This, in our day, is the Christian religion, not as having been unknown in former times, but as having recently received that name."

Eusebius of Caesarea (circa 283-371 AD) said: "The religion of Jesus Christ is neither new nor strange."

In Anacalypsis, The 17th century British orientalist and iconoclast, Godfrey Higgins, insisted that Christianity was already firmly in place in both the West and the East, many centuries before Jesus Christ was born. He said, The Crestians or Christians of the West probably descended directly from the Buddhists, rather than from the Brahmins. (Vol. 2, pp 438, 439.)

The existence of the Christians both in Europe and India, (existed) long anterior to the Christian era... (Vol 2, p. 202.) I think the most blind and credulous of devotees must allow that we have the existence of the Cristna of the Brahmins in Thrace, many hundred years before the Christian era-the birth of Jesus Christ. (Book X, p. 593.)

"Melito (a Christian bishop of Sardis) in the year 170, claims the patronage of the emperor, for the now so-called Christian religion, which he calls "our philosophy," on account of its high antiquity, has having been imported from countries lying beyond the limits of the Roman empire, in the region of his ancestor Augustus, who found the importation ominous of good fortune to his government." This is an absolute demonstration that Christianity did not originate in Judea, which was a Roman province, but really was an exotic oriental fable, imported from India, and that Paul was doing as he claimed, viz: preaching a God manifest in the flesh who had been "believed in the world" centuries before his time, and a doctrine which had already been preached "unto every creature under heaven." (Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions; T. W. Doane, p. 409.)

Religious historians have for hundreds of years struggled to find out how and why the stories about Jesus and Krishna, who were born 2,000 years apart, are so nearly identical.


Both Christ and Krishna descended from Noah.
The future births of both messiahs were predicted ahead of time.
Christ was descended from Abraham
Krishna was the father of Abraham (Brahma).
Christ was at once a Koresh, a Hebrew, and a Yehudi.
Krishna was at once a Kurus, an Abhira, and a Yadava.
Christ was an incarnation of Yah-Veh.
Krishna was at once an incarnation of Vishnu and Shiva.
Christ's first name, Jesus, was Yeshua.
A title of Krishna, meaning "love; devotion," was Yesu. Even today, many Hindu parents name their sons, Yesu Krishna.
Both men were born of virgins and in a stable.
Krishna's mother was named Devaki.
Jesus mother was called Mary.
Krishna did not have an earthly father as such, but a protector, named Vasudeva.
Jesus did not have an earthly father as such, but a mortal protector named Joseph.
An evil king tried to kill Christ and Krishna when they were both infants.
To protect the infant Jesus, Joseph and Mary took him to Maturai, Egypt.
To protect the infant Krishna, his parents, Vasudeva and Devaki, took him to Mathura, India.
It was predicted that both men would die to atone for the sins of their people.
As you have probably noticed, they took refuge in places having almost identical names.
Both men preached to their people.
Christ was crucified and then resurrected. Krishna was killed by a hunter's arrow and impaled on a tree. Later, he returned to life.
Christ was crucified in Jerusalem.
Some Hindu scholars think that Krishna died in Jerusalem, having gone there when his coastal city of Dwarka sank under the sea. Others say he went to Iraq.
Christ appeared after his "death." Krishna appeared after his "death."
Both of them have a major holiday dedicated to them on December 25th.
Christ had a female admirer named Mary Magdalene. Krishna had a female admirer named Marya Maghadalena.
Fanatically sectarian Christians and Hindus alike militantly reject the idea that the stories of these two deities are related. The Christians accuse the Hindus of blurring their identities on purpose. Some even claim that the Devil himself is the culprit.The Hindus reciprocate accordingly. Unfortunately, neither side can prove or disprove anything. In this article, I will attempt to clear up this mystery once and for all.

The Hindu Equivalent of our Old Testament Story of Abraham.

The story begins with our Abraham or Brahma as the Hindus called him. His father was Lord Krishna; his brother was Mahesh a.k.a Maheshvara who would be our Moses (Heb: Moshe).

The Hindu triad consists of the Gods Brahma, the equivalent of our God, and Gods Shiva and Vishnu. Actually Shiva and Vishnu are one and the same deities. Together, they are Brahma (God). Today, in India, there are only two temples dedicated to God Brahma because the Hindus say mankind is not yet ready to worship such a lofty concept.

Hindu Proof That Jesus Is the Son of God!

The Bible tells us that Jesus was both Shiva and Vishnu, for Jesus' biblical names are Isa/Isha (Shiva), Yeshua (Skt. Yishvara, pronounced in Sanskrit as Yeshwara), Kristos, and Yesu, another name of Krishna . Even in India, Lord Krishna was and still is called Yesu Krishna and Kristna. These names prove to us that Jesus was both Shiva and Vishnu, thus making Jesus the begotten son of the Unbegotten-Brahma.


The preceding information shows us that the Hindus are as Christian as the Christians are. Morever, the Hindus can prove that Jesus was the son of God, but we have to accept this as a matter of faith only. Even so, there is no lack of Christian sects wanting the Hindus to "convert" to their way of thinking although we must credit the Hindus with the honor of proving to us that Jesus is the son of God. But the Hindus don't need to convert to the spiritual knowledge they bequeathed to us. They were "converted" thousands of years before our Jesus was born. I say, leave them be.

Since Krishna was not born of man, he was not actually the earthly father of Brahma and Mahesh. Therefore, he himself was the protector (Tara) of Brahma. In Sanskrit, Tara means "savior; protector." It is a term generally used with the gods Rudra, Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma. Even our Old Testament says that the father (protector) of Abraham was Terah (Genesis 11:26.) The Bible tells us that Abraham and Sarah were half-siblings. (Genesis 12:19-20.). The Hindu holy books also tell us that a blood relationship existed between them. The Puranas relate Sarasvati to Brahma and Vishnu. Most frequently, she is associated with Brahma. Her connection with him dates earlier than to any other God. She is portrayed mostly as his wife and occasionally as his daughter. When Vishnu's popularity in India increased, myths relating Saraswati to him appeared. (Ref: Sarasvati and the Gods; www.vishvarupa.com.) Therefore, Brahma or Vishnu would also have been the Tara (Terah) of Sarasvati because of her divine origins.


Abraham or Brahma's home was the land of Haran (Genesis 1:4.) Haran was the coastal principality governed by Krishna. It was even named after him because Hara (Sun God) is another name of Krishna. Brahma/Abraham was 75 years old when he left Haran.

Just as Christ was crucified on a cross and then returned to life, Krishna, also known as Haran, was crucified on a tree and then returned to life. This fact appears to cause some confusion in The Bible. (Read Genesis 11:26-31).

There is also another "Haran" in India-today's state of Haryana. It is the region where Abraham decided to stop making idols and worship only one God. Brahmavarta, a region in Northeastern Haryana, is said to be the place where mankind was first created. (Varta=Dwelling.) Brahmavarta was the site of the Kuruksetra War between the Kurus and Pandavas, in which Lord Krishna distinguished himself. An ancient and holy river, now dried up, the Sarasvati, once flowed through Brahmavarta. The Hakra (the biblical Haggar) was a tributary of the Sarasvati. The relationships of these three geographical entities make sense. If Brahma provided the channel or bed for the Sarasvati river, Brahmavarta could easily have been the symbolical father or brother of Sarasvati. Hakra (Haggar), being a tributary of Sarasvati, depended on Sarasvati . So what were Abraham, Sarah, and Haggar? People, things, or places?


I have stated that the Bible mentions Haran and Haryana. The Hindu holy books also say that Brahma/Abrahan lived in Ur of the Chaldees. Ur was a Sumerian name for "town; city." Chaldee (pronounced Kaldee) derives from the Sanskrit Kaul, a Brahman caste, and Deva (demi-god). The North Indian Kauldevas worshiped idols representing their ancestors. According to the Hindus, Brahma married Sarasvati in Chaldea, the part that is now Afghanistan.

Northern Afghanistan was called Uttara Kuru and was a great center of learning. An Indian woman went there to study and received the title of Vak i.e. Saraisvati (Lady Sarah). It is believed that Brahm, her teacher, was so impressed by her beauty, education, and powerful intellect, that he married her. (The Hindu History, by Ashkoy Kumar Mazumdar; p. 48, in passim.) Lord Krishna, the divine father (Terah/T‚ra) of Brahma/Abraham, was the king of Haran, with the seaport of Dwarka as its capital.

In about 1900 BC, hundreds of thousands of native Indians emptied Northern and Central India and fled to the Middle East after Krishna's Dwarka sank under the water.



Krishna gathered his family together and fled either to the Middle East or to what is now Iraq. Only some gigantic natural disasters, such as earthquakes and floods could have caused such an exodus. It was at this time that the Saraisvati and the Indus changed their proper beds. The Saraisvati dried up.


The drying up of the Saraisvati... led to a major relocation of the population centered around the Sindhu and the Sarasvati valleys... caused a migration westward from India. It is soon after this time that the Indic element begins to appear all over West Asia, Egypt, and Greece. (Indic Ideas in the Graeco-Roman World, by Subhash Kak, taken from IndiaStar online literary magazine; p. 14.)

And Joshua said unto all the people, Your fathers dwelt... in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor, and they served other gods.

Many people don't understand what is meant by Joshua's remark about "the other side of the flood."

And Joshua said unto all the people, Your fathers dwelt... in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor, and they served other gods.

And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan... (Joshua 24:2-3.)

Many people don't understand what is meant by Joshua's remark about "the other side of the flood." They think he was referring to the Noachide flood. He was referring to the time when God Krishna's Dwarka and Haran province, in today's Gujarat, sank under water in about 1900 BC. Abraham, Sarah, and their followers escaped southward, to the coastal ports of Kalyan and Sopara (Sophir or Sauvira), in Maharashthra. From there, they sailed northward to the Middle East. Sarah (Sarsvati) embarked from the port of Kalyan. At one time, Kalyan was located closer to the coast, but is now located more than 50 miles inland. Sarasvati is the patron saint of Kalyan. The patron saint of Sophir or Sauvira was Parasu Rama (possibly a name of our biblical Abraham/Brahma).

And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan... (Joshua 24:2-3.)

Indian Author Paramesh Choudhury, author of The India We Have Lost, claims that Krishna and his family probably fled to Iraq. But I'm certain that they went to Jerusalem. The word Jerusalem is derived from Sanskrit: Yadu-Ishalayam, meaning "The Holy Rock of the Yadu Tribe." Lord Krishna was a Yadu. The Moslems still revere this huge rock under the Dome of the Rock on Jerusalem Temple Mount.



Temple [top] Mount and Dome of the Rock. [bottom] Abraham's tomb.

Until now, I have been wondering why Krishna's name did not appear in Jerusalem after his arrival there. Yet, the name of the king of Jerusalem, Melchizedek, the mentor of Abraham, did. I once thought that Melchizedek was the name of a certain person. I made this mistake by thinking that a prince and a son of a Kassite king, Melik-Sadaksina, was a supernaturally endowed prince, magician and spiritual giant. I thought he had accompanied Krishna, Abraham, and Sarah to the Middle East. Later on, I came to realize that the Sanskrit word Sadhaka applies to anyone who is an adept, a magician, one possessed of supernatural powers gained by worshipping a deity or by uttering magical chants.

I have additionally shown in this article that the New Testament words for Jesus all refer to Lord Krishna and his holy names. The early Christians were convinced that Melchizedek was just a prior incarnation of Jesus Christ, The remains of the Nag Hammadi manuscript entitled Melchizedek seem to confirm this. Melchizedek, king of Jerusalem and mentor of his son Abraham, was none other than ancient India's God Krishna. The early Christians thought that Jesus was a reincarnation of Krishna, for who else had the name Yesu Kristna, Isa, Krishna, etc.?

St. Paul states in the New Testament book of Hebrews:

Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made a high priest forever after the order of Melchisedec. (6:20.) For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him...(7:1); For he was yet in the loins of his father when Melchisedec met him. (7:;10);...what further need was there that another priest should arise after the order of Melchisedec...(7:11); Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchisedec (7:17);.


Melchisedek (Krishna)

In closing this article, I want to mention the dissatisfaction I have always had with fanatical religious sectarians who yell that only they are right and that everybody else is wrong. They often insult, deprecate, mock, and reject those with whom they disagree, hoping to shut the formers' mouths. In many cases, these religious squabbles over suspected "differences" cause widespread bloodshed and misery in the world. I am a Roman Catholic and proud of it. But it grieves me when I hear priests, nuns and laity preach that anyone who isn't a Catholic is hell-bound.

The word "Catholic" itself derives from the Sanskrit Ketu-Loka, meaning "Universal Leader." But how can a religion be "universal" if it is exclusive, locking out nations like India who not only gave Catholics their own bible, but even the Christ they worship? I have shown how nearly parallel our bible and the Hindu holy books concur in almost every way-linguistically, culturally, spiritually, etc. Even the incestuous relationship between Brahma and Sarasvati squares with that of Abraham and Sarah. India more than qualifies to be the real holy land of all mankind. The main differences between Christians and Hindus arise from the fact that the Hindu form of Christianity stayed behind in India, and that the western Christianity we know was exported abroad. Naturally, geographical separation has caused some variations in the two similar teachings, as well as culturally. Additionally, we have to keep in mind that for many hundreds of years, these stories were passed down orally, from father to son. Changes, embellishments, and varying opinions crept through the woodwork.

It is a strange anomaly that our Christian sects want to convert the Hindus to the same religious teachings the latter gave to the world and still practice!

I have amply demonstrated that all of us, no matter what our respective religions and nationalities, are grandchildren of India, Will this knowledge help keep us from tearing ourselves and the world apart?

Addendum:

If, until now, you are still unconvinced that Melchizedek was Lord Krishna, and that Jesus was an incarnation of Krishna (Melchizedek) as Paul himself explained, I have no other recourse but to give you solid proof directly from the mouths of the Hindus themselves! This should put an end to the question. It is a verifiable fact that one of the names of Krishna was Sadhaka. Being a king, Krishna would have been addressed as Malika (King) Sadhaka). If you are still doubtful, go to the web and type in Krishna Sadhaka. You'll instantly get all the proof you'll; ever need. Note: This article is a chapter from Gene's upcoming book, now in preparation: Searching for God -- Now a Valid Science! It will be released in autumn, 2007.

[dondaz]

So, did anyone read Ezekiel in the Old Testament?...

I got to part 19 and had enough: http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Ezekiel+1

I thought this Ezekiel was going to get into some seriouse numerology and pholosophical talks or something.

He goes on like he's on an acid trip! Throw in his obvious prejudices against the house of israil and his love of killing and you have the mad ramblings of a psychopath.

I tell you what, if anyone take to heart what that guy has written they must be a half-witted fool.

My idea is that the illuniati had that written to help in the process of devide and rule.

Simple as that!

[synergy777]

i think most people were tripping when they woke up, started seeing things. if you are trapped in left brain logic, your ego believes the mainstream stuff eg politicians care about us, are honest, the clergy are men of god, the world is good, santa claus etc. so you don't question. higher states of alertness etc, its like artists, musicians, writers, all best are high/intoxicated. also if you started seeing this stuff when you are sober, it would still mess you up, until you realise its just reality, then you are at peace.

like mark twain said, write when high, edit when dry, lol

[dondaz]

like mark twain said, write when high, edit when dry, lol

This is very true. I need to remember that one!:D

[synergy777]

we all do bro, lol

or me don't write posts until coffee and ciggies have kicked in, without them, i am a grumpy old sod, lol