David Shayler asks for help

[pleasuredome]

just passing a message on from david. he's asking for help from anyone who can help him. he is staying on some abandoned land in guilford but they are trying to get him off it...he wants anyone who can go down there and film it if they try to get him off. his number is 07954 422225

here are some notices and affidavits he has produced/used


Press Release

David Shayler aka Jesus Christ will today insist on his rights as a free man, a soul alive with a duty to God operating under the Law, in violation of a court order (claim no.9GU00722, issued 27th May 2009.

The Interim Possession Order is unlawful for several reasons:

• it only applies to ‘persons’. David has rejected his person, a legal fiction created by statute laws,
• it has not been signed by the judge who issued it.
• Magna Carta makes it clear that no man will be denied justice or right

In support of his case, David has issued the attached documents to Surrey Police.

Under the Law, men are not required to pay their mortgages, income tax, council tax or credit card bills.


David said:
‘Enough is enough. Even though I live in a tent in a field, the principle of an Englishman’s home is his castle still applies. People are fed up of encroaching state power and judges who find in favour of corporations rather than doing justice. I’m simply insisting on the rights I have under Magna Carta. I hope the police will understand that they have no authority to remove me from the land where I live.’


28th May 2009




I, David Shayler,
c/o 23 Bexley Road
Fishponds
Bristol
make oath and say as follows:
Whereas the duty of God’s Chosen One to God is paramount,
Whereas the prophets in God’s Bible predict the coming of the Chosen One of God to save man in his hour of need,
Whereas the vast majority of men have heard of a Chosen One of God who will come to save man in his hour of need,
Whereas a variety of cultures across the ages have recorded and disseminated said prophecy,
Whereas our age is characterised by usury, violence, subjugation, slavery, debt, exploitation and injustice, creating humanity’s hour of need for a Messiah,
Whereas the narrative about Jesus Christ published in God’s Bible is prophecy, not history,
Whereas the events of the Second Coming have begun,
Whereas God’s Bible and other texts indicate that the Second Coming will be around ‘777’,
Whereas I was anointed by the One True God on 29th June 2007,
Whereas the One True God told me I was proclaimed Chosen One by the ringing of church bells at St Mary Redcliffe Church, Bristol on 7th July 2007,
Whereas I was born on 24th December, the day the Three ‘Kings’ or stars of the constellation Orion align with the ‘wandering star’ or Sirus,
Whereas I have sworn on God’s Bible that I am the Chosen One of God, God incarnated as Holy Spirit and Man also known as Messiah also known as Jesus Christ also known as the Lord Jesus Christ also known as the One True Heir also known as the King of Kings and Priest of Priests also known as Kadosh Kadosh also known as the Name of Names and other names,
Whereas on 19th January 2009, I stated as God’s truth that I have the authority of God, and therefore the Crown, before a judge under oath in a Law Court at the Royal Courts of Justice without objection or counter-claim,
Whereas I have already issued Orders with lawful authority to the Prime Minister,
Whereas the Order JC A001 to the Prime Minister of Israel to maintain a permanent ceasefire and to prepare charges against Ehud Olmert and others for unlawful activities has been obeyed,
Whereas other Orders have not been lawfully challenged,
Whereas no one has brought just reason to challenge my statement that I am God incarnated as Holy Spirit and Man,
Whereas I am the last man to incarnate from the One True God, Jesus,
Whereas in God’s Bible, Jesus Christ says: ‘I am the Law’,
Whereas in God’s Bible, Jesus Christ says: ‘I come not to destroy the prophets and the Law but to fulfil them’,
Whereas it has been a matter of public record in the Daily Mail archived on the Internet since August 2007 that I have claimed the authority of God,
Whereas Wikipedia, the Internet encyclopaedia, has had an entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shayler since August 2007, which makes mention of my truth that I am God incarnated as Holy Spirit and Man,
Whereas Wikipedia, the Internet encyclopaedia, has had an entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants, which makes mention of my statement that I am the Messiah,
Whereas I have related the teachings of the biblical Jesus Christ on the Internet at www.youtube.co.uk/user/shaylertv,
Whereas other media like EMTV on the Sky platform have broadcast my statement that I am Jesus Christ and my teachings and make the contents of the broadcast available on the Internet,
Whereas the secret of the re-incarnating Jesus and the name of the Chosen One could only be published in code in public texts,
Whereas God’s Bible, in particular the section the Jews call the Torah, and texts deriving from it show that phonetically ‘David M Shayler’ is the Chosen One of God also known as the Messiah,
Whereas the letters ‘D M O U O S V A V V’ on the monument at Shugborough House, Staffordshire, England are said to point to the location of the Holy Grail,
Whereas said letters decode to ‘D M Shyoluaa, 777’ when transcribed into Hebrew and retranscribed into English using different recognised transcriptions of the Hebrew letters,
Whereas ‘Holy Grail’ is a corruption of the French ‘Saint Real’ or ‘Holy True One’,
Whereas God’s Bible and texts deriving from it show that anagrams of Hebrew letters which transliterate into English as ‘David M Shayler’, or near variations thereof, can be found on the Rod of Aaron, with the Hebrew letters ‘Xadek Chet Vav’ which translates as ‘righteous king’ , taken from the initial letters of the Ten Plagues of Egypt made mention of in God’s Bible; the initial letters of the 12 tribes of Israel made mention of in God’s Bible; from the 22-letter Name of God based on a phrase made mention of in God’s Bible; the 33-letter Name of God, the 42-letter Name of God,
Whereas ‘Yeshua’, the Hebrew name for the Chosen One recorded in God’s Bible, can be translated as ‘I, the V, Shayola’ or ‘Yah, V, Shayola’, where ‘Yah’ is an abbreviation of the Hebrew Name for the One True God, ‘Yod Hey Vav Hey’, and ‘V’ is held to be symbolic of the chalice and the feminine, therefore indicative of the divine feminine embodied in God’s Chosen One,
Whereas ‘Shayler’ contains ‘Yah’ spelt in the same direction as Hebrew is read, right to left, rendering ‘S-haY-ler’,
Whereas Jews believe that ‘Yah’ will be found in the Chosen One’s Name,
Whereas ‘Yeshua’ can be transliterated as ‘I H U, Sh Yol’, pronounced ‘I ha you, Shayol’, phonetically near to ‘I are you, Shayle’, or made into an anagram which can be pronounced, ‘I, you, Shayleh,
Whereas the Talmud contains ‘David’, ‘M’, ‘Shiloh’ and ‘Shila’ in the context of a discussion of the Messiah’s name, in a section of the Talmud called the Sanhedrin,
Whereas the role of the ‘Sanhedrin’ is believed by many Jews to be to confirm the identity of the Messiah,
Whereas I have communicated the teachings of Unconditional Love in public and pursued Truth and Justice with no concern for my own benefit, the tasks of Jesus predicted by the prophets in God’s Bible,
Whereas I have challenged the forces of darkness who are motivated by Zionism and have lived,
Whereas I have survived numerous attempts to kill me,
Whereas I talk to the soul and God, Jesus, and am given secrets and insights not shared with humanity,
Whereas other living souls have told me that Jesus has told them I am the Chosen One,
Whereas the New Covenant is set out in God’s Bible: ‘Love your neighbour as you love yourself’,
Whereas I can interpret the signs of God,

I have the authority of the Law.




Sworn at

in the county of

this day of

Before me, solicitor

I swore to the truth of the contents of this affidavit under before Judge Reid, who was also under oath, on 13th May 2009, without challenge or counter-claim. Claim no. 9GU00772



NOTICE

Whereas the rule of Law is operative anywhere in God’s universe,
Whereas equality under the Law is paramount,
Whereas I am free man under the Law and on the land, a soul alive with a duty to God and other men,
Whereas any reader of this notice is a man with a soul and a duty to God,
Whereas the Council of the Borough of Guildford is a corporation without a soul and therefore not recognised by the Law,
Whereas only a man can carry out his duties under the Law and assert his inalienable rights,
Whereas I currently occupy the land and buildings at Tyting Farm, Halfpenny Lane, Guildford,
Whereas I have invested my time in stopping said premises falling into rack and ruin and cultivating the land so that other men can enjoy life, freedom and property,
Whereas I found said premises and land unoccupied and unused other than by free men who invited me to stay,
Whereas it is not in the public good that dwellings remain unused and farm land untended while free men do not have homes and shelter,
Whereas corporations including but not limited to councils operate in usury and debt which is unlawful,
Whereas Magna Carta makes it a lawful condition that no man will be denied justice,
Whereas the Uniform Commercial Code, clauses 1-207 and 1-103 recognise inalienable rights given by God and the higher authority of the Law,
Whereas it is my duty to God to as far as possible take sole responsibility for providing for myself, without contributing to debt and slavery,
Whereas I have the right to seek redress under the Law against men who infringe my duty to God and my enjoyment of life, freedom and property,
Whereas no corporation can lawfully hold title to God’s earth or any part of it,
Whereas the Crown’s claim of: ‘escheat to the Crown or the Duchy of Lancaster or the Duke of Cornwall or to a mesne lord for want of heirs’, as referred to in the Administration of Estates Act 1925, stands as a lawful claim,
Whereas the United Kingdom is an insolvency, an estate where everything is owned by God and currently held in trust under the Crown until a competent heir appears and lays a lawful claim of jurisdiction,
Whereas I made that lawful claim of jurisdiction on 19 January 2009 before a judge in the number 1 Law Court of the Royal Courts of Justice without challenge or counter-claim,
Whereas the Council of the Borough of Guildford’s claim to the land is not sworn as an oath before God,
Whereas I served a Notice dated 3rd May 2009 stating occupation and use of said land and buildings on Leslie Roberts, solicitor to Guildford Council, on 6th May 2009 at Guilford Crown Court before witnesses,
Whereas God provides exclusive right of use of his lands to men who use it for public good,
Whereas I and other men have sown seeds and otherwise in said parts of God’s earth to provide for ourselves,
Whereas I live as far as possible in harmony with God’s creation,
I have lawful occupation and use of Tyting Farm, Halfpenny Lane, Guildford, its buildings and its land.




David Shayler
12th May 2009
Tyting Farm
Halfpenny Lane
Guildford

Note: the contents of this notice were sworn under oath by me in front of Judge Reid at Guilford Crown Court on 13th May 2009, without challenge or counter-claim. Claim no. 9GU00722

[dreamweaver]

Well, I hope people do help out as this seems pretty central to what FotL is all about.

[uncia]

If he's Jesus Christ, then why can't he help himself? I mean, either he is, or he isn't, and if he isn't then why is he saying he is?

[dreamweaver]

If he's Jesus Christ, then why can't he help himself? I mean, either he is, or he isn't, and if he isn't then why is he saying he is?

I seem to recall the original Jesus Christ faced similar taunts to use special powers to save his own skin. I've no idea why David Shayler says he is JC but this should have no bearing on what is happening here. He is doing this as a freeman on the land, using the same principles that the rest of us on this forum are trying to apply.

[Ian2day]

Looks like Shayler is not alone down on the farm. I don't think that it is Urban common land that they're occupying. It does look like some redesignation of the lands use has been in the pipeline for some time now.


http://m.gmgrd.co.uk/sbres/435.$plit/C_67_article_2051496_body_articleblock_0_bodyimage .jpg?27%2F05%2F2009%2016%3A07%3A45%3A920

TIME could be up for the Tyting Farm squatters after Guildford Borough Council secured an order at the third attempt to have the group evicted.
After two adjourned hearings, Guildford County Court judge Robert Reid finally granted the local authority an Interim Possession Order (IPO) on Wednesday.
Once the order has been served, the group, known as the Circle Community, will have 24 hours to leave the farm and its outbuildings.
Tyting Farm, just outside Guildford, has been occupied by varying numbers of squatters since April 26.
Following the end of a fortnight of spiritual celebrations called the Rainbow Gathering, around a dozen remained with the aim of turning Tyting into a sustainable community farm.
They argued that they had a right to the farm, which has been unused for 18 months, because they were returning it to agricultural use.
However, following Wednesday’s hearing, Judge Reid said: “It’s not a question of whether I sympathise or not with the various objectives the people in occupation have.
“That does not entitle them to jump the gun and say we are here, we must stay.”
Peter Phoenix, a member of the Circle Community, insisted in court that the council did not own a section in the north-east corner of the field that was included in the IPO application.
The authority dismissed the claim, stating that it did own the patch of land, referred to as Lot Six, under a separate title deed.
Speaking after the hearing, Mr Phoenix said he would not comply with what he considered to be an IPO gained illegally.
He added: “There’s a land users database that details lots of different buildings that are currently unused.
“We will be looking at that and finding out where these places are. There are other places nearby where we will be able to go and grow food.”
Another of the squatters, Guildford man Chris Owen, called on the council to let them stay at Tyting Farm while a consultation process for their plans was carried out.
“We are in the process of forming a body to work with other groups including the Guildford Society, Transition Towns Guildford and the environmental forum to get a range of views,” he said.
The 118-acre farm has been up for sale since January. Guildford Borough Council is yet to confirm when it will serve the IPO and what measures will be taken should the squatters not comply.


http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2051496_tyting_farm_squatters_face_eviction

[majorlee]

he is one of them few men who stands up for what he believes in

hope some people can lend him a hand, he has done us many favour already by risking his life whistleblowing

gl david!

[uncia]

I seem to recall the original Jesus Christ faced similar taunts to use special powers to save his own skin.
The reason he did not save his own skin, was because he chose to lay down his life at that time. However it seems that as Mr. Shayler is not willing to leave, then it is up to him, as with Jesus Christ, to find his own solution to his problem. He can't have it both ways.

Incidentally, I seem to recall that the last man who said they were Jesus Christ, James Naylor, has his tongue bored through with a red hot iron, and whipped through the streets, and condemned to hard labour. Shayler's getting off pretty lightly if you ask me.

[dreamweaver]

I don't see why this is important to you. Here are some people actually trying to put the freeman on the land principles into practice and all you can do is make cheap jibes about Shayler's beliefs.

[uncia]

I don't see why this is important to you. Here are some people actually trying to put the freeman on the land principles into practice and all you can do is make cheap jibes about Shayler's beliefs.
For me its relevant. I wouldn't help him, even though I live fairly close to him, just because of what he says about himself.:eek:

[smoke n mirrors]

Shayler's getting off pretty lightly if you ask me.

I think you need to try another sub forum the FMOTL really doesn't seem to be for you! Try the no planer under 9/11. Unfortunately there isn't a no brainers sub forum...you could try here http://thesun.co.uk for a meeting of mindless drivel.

Toot toot

[ex sheep]

I think you need to try another sub forum the FMOTL really doesn't seem to be for you! Try the no planer under 9/11. Unfortunately there isn't a no brainers sub forum...you could try here http://thesun.co.uk for a meeting of mindless drivel.

Toot toot

lol :D

[uncia]

I think you need to try another sub forum the FMOTL really doesn't seem to be for you! Try the no planer under 9/11. Unfortunately there isn't a no brainers sub forum...you could try here http://thesun.co.uk for a meeting of mindless drivel.

Toot toot
You look as patronizing as you sound. As I said before, if he's Jesus Christ, then he can help himself. Can't see why people waste time on David Shayler.

[bones]

i was interested in davids work as he was ex m15 he had credability.

then i saw him say im jesus christ!!

jesus had many abilitys aparently im sure such a powerful man can overcome this set back without our help...

afte all he could walk on water!

hope he dont go to the judge im jesus christ cos i tell you now the words mental health act comes to mind...

good luck son of god!

[yozhik]

I sense more than a reasonable amount of animosity in a couple of these threads, re. Shayler and his claims of being Jesus Christ.

In fact, I would go so far as to say misplaced animosity.
Misplaced, because it is not relevant to this forum.

Some might feel it is relevant to Shayler; but this is not the Shayler forum.
Some might say the belittling ridicule is relevant to any one who claims to be Jesus Christ; but this is not the Jesus Christ claimants nor the Religion forum.

This is the Freeman-on-the-land forum.
The OP was with respect to the FOTL aspects of David's claims.

Respect for the OP, respect for the forum and respect for the topic would guide us to keeping it within the area of FOTL subject matter.

Personally, I find David's claims of being Jesus Christ a little hard to digest, however, I see no reason to mock, belittle, ridicule or besmirch him for it. Mocking merely adds weight to the topic. I see no rason to give the issue more density and critical mass.

However, personally, I do find some of David's opinions on FOTL interesting, worthwhile and worthy of consideration.
For this reason alone I see David Shayler FOTL issues as relevant and worthy of respect on a FOTL forum thread.

For those wanting to turn this thread into a "bashing Shayler for his Jesus claims" exercise; wrong time, wrong place.

[dreamweaver]

For those wanting to turn this thread into a "bashing Shayler for his Jesus claims" exercise; wrong time, wrong place.

Spot on. The issue right now is that David and apparently a few others are facing eviction from land they are occupying as freemen on the land, and they have asked for help. That is the only issue of relevance here.

[ex sheep]

For me its relevant. I wouldn't help him, even though I live fairly close to him, just because of what he says about himself.:eek:

So what are you doing on this thread, this is what the OP was asking for, help,oh I forgot to give your expert opinion just like you did on the TV licensing topic which you know nothing about, there is a name for someone who goes about sticking their nose into places they know nothing about, derailing topics comes to mind.

[uncia]

Spot on. The issue right now is that David and apparently a few others are facing eviction from land they are occupying as freemen on the land, and they have asked for help. That is the only issue of relevance here.
Fact is the guy is mentally deranged. May be he'll make a lot of money for himself. May be he'll end up in an asylum. It's up to him to determine. I would predict the latter given his use of drugs. Little anyone can do for him. As it says here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-475616/The-MI5-Messiah-Why-David-Shayler-believes-hes-son-God.html):

He has an answer for everything, even when I ask if he ever takes drugs.

"Of course I do. I smoke cannabis but it's been used in religious experiences for years. Oh and magic mushrooms...

[lizzy]

Looks like Shayler is not alone down on the farm. I don't think that it is Urban common land that they're occupying. It does look like some redesignation of the lands use has been in the pipeline for some time now.

I think Shayler is still mi5...everything he touches he turns into a laughing stock and thereby undermines it's credability.....obviously, tptb do not want to see a strong freeman of the land movement.

[smoke n mirrors]

You look as patronizing as you sound. As I said before, if he's Jesus Christ, then he can help himself. Can't see why people waste time on David Shayler.

Patronising? Humm You judging a fellow man, for the name he chooses to call himself...says what about you?

Personally I have no time for many of Davids claims...that doesn't mean I can't recognise his rights or those of any other living thing.

You clearly demonstrate your feelings with respect to the basic principles of the FMOTL philosophy. Maybe it would be more conducive, for you to seek some other philosophy more in keeping with your own mind.

Toot toot me old fruit,

[dreamweaver]

Everybody just ignore the attempts to derail the thread and let's get on with discussing how to deal with this state challenge to a freeman-on-the-land community.

First off, who can actually get down there and film it?

[the nine]

If he's Jesus Christ, then why can't he help himself? I mean, either he is, or he isn't, and if he isn't then why is he saying he is?

The reason he did not save his own skin, was because he chose to lay down his life at that time. However it seems that as Mr. Shayler is not willing to leave, then it is up to him, as with Jesus Christ, to find his own solution to his problem. He can't have it both ways.

Incidentally, I seem to recall that the last man who said they were Jesus Christ, James Naylor, has his tongue bored through with a red hot iron, and whipped through the streets, and condemned to hard labour. Shayler's getting off pretty lightly if you ask me.

For me its relevant. I wouldn't help him, even though I live fairly close to him, just because of what he says about himself.:eek:

You look as patronizing as you sound. As I said before, if he's Jesus Christ, then he can help himself. Can't see why people waste time on David Shayler.

Fact is the guy is mentally deranged. May be he'll make a lot of money for himself. May be he'll end up in an asylum. It's up to him to determine. I would predict the latter given his use of drugs. Little anyone can do for him. As it says here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-475616/The-MI5-Messiah-Why-David-Shayler-believes-hes-son-God.html):

please read this:-
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45945

[gilly]

Please report any further attempts at derailment of this thread.

[merlincove]

i know very little about the guy, and all i do know i have read on this thread.

But having read thus far, the poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller came to mind:

First They Came....

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not protest;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.


If David is fighting for the rights of FOTL, then surely we can wish him the best without ripping him to pieces for who he pertains to be. David Icke said something very similar and has had his name rawked over the coals for over a decade.

If we take upon ourselves the mantle of being children of a greater force, be that force God or creator, or Universe, just as David did pre Wogan, then are we all not the sons / Daughters of God?

DS is out on a limb fighting a battle that he believes in, and where he stands we can see that any one with any interest in FOTL stands with him, for he fights not only for his right but for the right of all true free men?

i personally think that he deserves all the support we can give him because just like in Pastor Martin Niemöller's poem, if we don't stick with each other, stand by our brothers and fight for what is just and for what is fundamentally right, there will be no one to fight ~ good luck David :D

[gilly]

So - which boffin here has some good advice regarding Mr Shayler's predicament?

[jojo]

well, i just want to wish him well. cant offer advice as i dont know any. but my best thoughts of his sucess.... and help going his way.

hope he is allowed to stay put. the fuckin ptb piss me off. :mad:

[dreamweaver]

Well, the only forum regular I know of who has decent video equipment is Dondaz, of course, but he's a long way from Guildford. I'd be happy to help but I'm even further out (Yorkshire) and don't have any video kit (unless you count my mobile :D )

[Ian2day]

There hope of a right of review would I expect be based on a challenge to the courts decision based on the grounds of correct procedure not being followed in either the planning application, the hearing or in the serving and carrying out of an order. Or they would need to produce some case law which would allow the judge to go in their favour with a previous decision from another courts ruling. They could each of them contact the community legal services team for free advise 0845 345 4345 (http://www.communitylegaladvice.org.uk/en/about/callback.jsp)
http://www.communitylegaladvice.org.uk/gateway/housing.jsp
or even shelter 0808 800 4444
http://www.shelter.org.uk/

However if Shayler were still a civil servant ;) I am sure that he would have some free advice there! If anyone films the police can they expect 10 years? I bet that tptb would jump at the chance of making something stick. Perhaps some audio recording of the situation is in order. Maybe contact the local radio station to do a piece and obtain the support of the local MP.
Or try to see on the National Archives if the land was ever Urban common land and then launch a challenge if it can be found that correct procedure has not been followed. Is there a bridal way or public footpath anywhere nearby as these give rights of access etc. Also if there is an endangered species present in an adjacent hedgerow (such as a rare frog or newt) which they are in the process of monitoring or improving the habitat. Maybe that is worth a shot. I think that the Newbury bypass was halted due to some newts or something like that. A change of use or designation could be construed as a threat to a protected species such as Adders and some butterflys. Time for Dave to read some Botony books.

[revolutionary_jam]

might give him a buzz tomorrow

[adbasque]

If he's Jesus Christ, then why can't he help himself? I mean, either he is, or he isn't, and if he isn't then why is he saying he is?

I would gladly help him as a man a human being, but I don't like when people go for one thing and then suddenly they are all Jesus.

I am pretty sick of people calling themselves Jesus.
As you said, if he's Jesus, he is supposed to help people, not the other way around

I respect him for his non co-operation, non compliance, and he is right about the laws, they don't actually exist, and another thing us people should bear in mind

There's you as the human being, the person that breathes and there's your name created as an entity, that's why you get all the formal documents written in caps.

Mr John Smith
Mr JOHN SMITH
one has to make a clear distinction and it's good for people to know their rights.
Nobody forces you to pay any form of taxes, so you're not breaking any law
it's not written anywhere.

[devanshoom]

Just going down there and talking to shayler and his crowd would be good i reckon...and if you have a vid cam then all the better. I dont think finding someone with a cam should be all that difficult..

someone get down there...it'll be fun!!

[tom bombadil]

If folk want to know a little more of Shayler then you can see an interview with him on Edge tv. Go to their site and download the interview. Make up you own minds.

For me though, if anyone asks for help and they were being vitimised, and I am able to, then I would.


Nelly.

[adbasque]

If folk want to know a little more of Shayler then you can see an interview with him on Edge tv. Go to their site and download the interview. Make up you own minds.

For me though, if anyone asks for help and they were being vitimised, and I am able to, then I would.


Nelly.

I would help him as a fellow human being, as a victimised person, as a fellow country men, I know he is doing something right, but without the Jesus malarkey

The same thing for Mr Hill I would help him if I could but not as a rightful king or god knows what else.

[yozhik]

I wouldn't help Jacqui Smith ... not under any circumstances.

[adbasque]

I wouldn't help Jacqui Smith ... not under any circumstances.

Well I would only help her if her life is threatened, other than that, she can go to hell

[yozhik]

Well I would only help her if her life is threatened, other than that, she can go to hell

If her life was threatened, it would be EXACTLY the moment I would not help her.

Sorry, but a woman who shows such little respect for men and women; a woman who shows no signs of feeling, emotion or any semblance of humanity, is not human. She is a robot. A shill. Heartless, thoughtless and pointless.

If she was on fire, I would not piss on her to dowse the flames ... unless I had a bladder full of kerosene.

[adbasque]

If her life was threatened, it would be EXACTLY the moment I would not help her.

Sorry, but a woman who shows such little respect for men and women; a woman who shows no signs of feeling, emotion or any semblance of humanity, is not human. She is a robot. A shill. Heartless, thoughtless and pointless.

If she was on fire, I would not piss on her to dowse the flames ... unless I had a bladder full of kerosene.

Yes I understand your anger, but don't turn into her, you are a decent human being don't lose that quality, you must be stronger than her and her masters.

Remember 90% chance she is deeply brainwashed, I promise you, she doesn't know what she is doing.

Yes prevent her from doing what will hurt other fellow human beings but, but make sure you don't turn into her :)

[yozhik]

Remember 90% chance she is deeply brainwashed, I promise you, she doesn't know what she is doing.

Yes prevent her from doing what will hurt other fellow human beings but, but make sure you don't turn into her :)

No chance.
To turn into her, I would need my heart and brain removed.
I would also need a sex change so I could marry a man I could drive to pornography.

But ... a subject for another thread ... sorry for side tracking it.
Back to helping Shayler ;)

[adbasque]

No chance.
To turn into her, I would need my heart and brain removed.
I would also need a sex change so I could marry a man I could drive to pornography.

But ... a subject for another thread ... sorry for side tracking it.
Back to helping Shayler ;)

:D

Yes if we could help him as a fellow human, as a person who needs help, as a person who's fighting the establishment, but I won't help him because of him claiming to be Jesus, if he were Jesus, he doesn't need my help, he is the one who's supposed to help us.

:D

[majorlee]

'i get by with a little help from my friends' dumm doo dee doo etc

i'm jesus christ, no i am JC, NO, I AM Jesus Christ....

or was it Spartacus?? lol

FFS - get over all this name shit and look at the real issues at hand here

the man is asking for a bit of video and moral help, everyone needs a hand now and again

[majorlee]

If her life was threatened, it would be EXACTLY the moment I would not help her.

Sorry, but a woman who shows such little respect for men and women; a woman who shows no signs of feeling, emotion or any semblance of humanity, is not human. She is a robot. A shill. Heartless, thoughtless and pointless.

If she was on fire, I would not piss on her to dowse the flames ... unless I had a bladder full of kerosene.

That is why you fail......

[yozhik]

That is why you fail......

Never realised I was sitting a test. :D
... thanks for giving your judgement.
Means soooooooooooooo much to me.
Honest.

[adbasque]

'i get by with a little help from my friends' dumm doo dee doo etc

i'm jesus christ, no i am JC, NO, I AM Jesus Christ....

or was it Spartacus?? lol

FFS - get over all this name shit and look at the real issues at hand here

the man is asking for a bit of video and moral help, everyone needs a hand now and again

We got over this, the man claims to be the son of god, I didn't make it :D
I did say I will help him in anyway I could if I could, but as a human being who needs help, as a person.
He is the one calling himself Jesus Christ, he is not Spartacus by the way :p
Lol

[girlgye]

If folk want to know a little more of Shayler then you can see an interview with him on Edge tv. Go to their site and download the interview. Make up you own minds.

For me though, if anyone asks for help and they were being vitimised, and I am able to, then I would.


Nelly.

Nice one nelly. Sort the men/women out from the Spooks.

[majorlee]

Never realised I was sitting a test. :D
... thanks for giving your judgement.
Means soooooooooooooo much to me.
Honest.

Life is one big test!

gl david

[yozhik]

Life is one big test!

gl david

Well surely if "life is one big test", the judgement of pass/fail is not given until the test is over?

So, I'm a little unsure how;
1) you have assumed the role of official marker, and
2) you can give judgement halfway through a test.

:rolleyes:

... but Ego might have something to do with it.

[geezer661]

He cant be jesus christ. Thats because I am. And Uncia Stop following my work I think your a total prick now piss off

[luciferhorus]

The Messianic Complex

The Messianic Complex is a common phenomenon.

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/99/65399-004-E570BBF0.jpg

http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1995/1101950403_400.jpg

http://www.osho-japan.com/shops/english_book.files/osho_books/TheMessiah1.jpg

http://www.srisathyasaibookcentre.org.uk/images/Baba21May06/darshan12.jpg

However it is not always a bad thing; most Communists for example have a Messianic complex (they want to save the world), which differs from the 'Christian' complex (they want someone else to save them).

David Shayler's text makes rather strange reading. David Icke went through a period like that also.

Of course there is only one true Messiah (i.e., myself).

144 Virgins in Paradise. Salvation at low, low, prices

My own own Messianic complex began with the understanding that there are are numerous Messiahs in the world and I thought I could do a better job; on my orginal Messianic site back in the mid 90's, I was offering to beat any price on salvation by 50% (or your money back in the afterlife), but since then I have slashed prices to zero, and I am now offering 144 Virgins (twice what the Muslims offer) to all anti-Capitalist martyrs, but if you can get a better offer elsewhere, consider the 144 figure negotiable.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AhGe9uhQ1N0/RcpeblsPTwI/AAAAAAAAAWg/Xv23xeDWisc/s400/72virgins.jpg

http://www.mattbors.com/images/Indulgences.gif

This offer is only open to Anarchist and Communists, however; the above tokens are non-redeemable.

Comandante Lucifer

My words and edicts shall serve as the Highest and Final Law to all peoples and nations on penalty of death and hell.

Lucis Rex.
http://www.piusxiipope.info/popeseal.gif
Prince of the Angels, Lord of Lords, Master and Commander of the 72 Goetic demons, bearer of the Key of Solomon, Ex offico (in the office of) Christ, Pontifex Maximus, Servus Servorum Dei, Defensor Fides, Judge of Judgement Day, Grand Commander on earth of the armies of Heaven and numerous other pompous titles.


____________


Nb. I have spoken here 'ex cathedra' (from the seat) and thus I speak infallibly against all other blasphemies, heresies and competing 'World Saviours,' Grand Masters, Messiahs, Maitreyas, prophets, madhi's etc; accept no cheaper or higher priced substitutes.

To everyone who hears my sacred dictates (Dictatus papae Lucis), if anyone adds to or subtracts from them, may they have added to them a multitude of plagues and lose their right the Tree of Life, and to the Holy City.

"I, have sent my angel to testify these things to you for the assemblies. I am the root and the offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

[decim]

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty goy.

[jakemaverick]

i do understand the messiah complex.....when you have been through something seriously traumatic you can't help but think some supreme being must have saved you for a living......

but i dnt believ in god, or the tooth fairy for that matter.....

i'm only half joking when i claim my Jake Maverick, King of the Maverickians and Lord Protector of the universe title..... ;-)

Anyway, what is happening with David? any news on this? anybody got an email address for him? would be appreicated.....us messiah types should form a club or asomething!!!!

[wildhorse]

oh couple of suits and neon vests, checked hats with radios, came down with a warrant [unsigned] to 'evict them'. Someone filmed it. They peacefully stood their ground.

Don't know what else is happening :confused:

[danster82]

Dont bite on this bait because although the issue is a real issue David is either willfully or unwillfully being used to discredit the truth movement and the freeman movement.

If you look at the recent articles of him dressed up as a woman claiming to be christ and they mix that in with discrediting the freeman movement and 911 truth...

And like someone else said if hes Jesus Christ then why does he need to claim his right, give me a break the guy is being used consider him as sick and needing healing and dont take this bait its purely being used to discredit you.

[siliconpsychosis]

Good luck to Shayler and co.

Personally I dont see what the issue is with Shayler claiming to be Jesus Christ. I would be more concerned if he announced he was a Tory.

[disorder2k8]

I think this guy is a double agent, out to ridicule the truth movement after gaining support from it

[gilly]

He has done good work for the truth movement in the past.

So what if he's being mind-controlled now? Just abandon him, and ridicule him (at the instruction of MSM) along with everyone else, because he's of no use to us? If he is a victim of mind control, tptb have certainly been successful in getting their revenge on him, haven't they?

[disorder2k8]

He has done good work for the truth movement in the past.

The only interviews/'work' ive seen of his, has only really been confirming what we already knew (ie the government are a bunch of lying tossers and not to be trusted etc)

What other work has he done?

He needs help, but not from the truth movement, what can we do exactly? Tell him it will be all right and just go back to what we were doing before? Who is actually going to offer help to him, the guy has changed and is now seen as a fruitcake in the eyes of mainstream society. You would not want to be associated with him.

He can only try and fight the law/psychiatrists by himself, using whatever freeman tactics that still work for him.

[wildhorse]

the only interviews/'work' ive seen of his, has only really been confirming what we already knew (ie the government are a bunch of lying tossers and not to be trusted etc)

what other work has he done?

He needs help, but not from the truth movement, what can we do exactly? Tell him it will be all right and just go back to what we were doing before? Who is actually going to offer help to him, the guy has changed and is now seen as a fruitcake in the eyes of mainstream society. You would not want to be associated with him.

He can only try and fight the law/psychiatrists by himself, using whatever freeman tactics that still work for him.

boost him!!!

:D

[adbasque]

He did expose the corruption and the Elite's lies, risking his own life, even though I disagree with his claim of being the Messiah, who knows what he's been through, but we can't deny him compassion and help him as our fellow human being.

He could even be controlled by a post hypnotic suggestion, brainwashing where they can wipe his mind clean and fill it again with what they want, just so people will discredit him and treat him as a nut.

It has been used in the past where they wipe clean a subject's mind, that's the term they use, "subject".

We need to read between the lines, or it could be a clever move from him, to save his life and at the same time put his message across.

Remember you're dealing with an ex secret service he knows how to handle them.

So give the man some credit.

[mrmoney]

Hmmm... let's see.... he dresses like a woman, he says planting hemp will save the world, he used to work for the intelligence services, and he claims to be Jesus Christ.

He certainly needs help, but I'm talking mental help. And this is not some sarcastic comment: agent or not, he needs mental help.

[girlgye]

Hemp is actually a really rich source of b vits. I've met David and he is very very intense and highly intellectual. The delusional stuff and sexual inappropriate behaviour reminds me of Bi-polar disorder but the op question says he needs help and why.

[paolo]

If you didn't have weird stuff in the first place why on earth would you join
MI5 or any other secret intelligence service
It's an apeshit decision to make to collude against your fellow citizens, whom you must regard as essentially dangerous
Shayler whom I found rich and warm during the odd few encounters, is living out his own truths however strange they become
It's a kind of guide map to the lower levels at least, of people who would want to live lives of deception and spying
The underbelly and secondary motivations of all that is sick and warped
We should appreciate Davids playing out and instructive ways

[whybeherenow]

Asked for help? With his wig and make up? I am not sure that anyone who has been on the inside to that degree can really be 'ex'.

[yozhik]

Hemp is actually a really rich source of b vits. I've met David and he is very very intense and highly intellectual. The delusional stuff and sexual inappropriate behaviour reminds me of Bi-polar disorder but the op question says he needs help and why.

I've known many BP sufferers and cross dressing was not one of the symptoms.
Promiscuity was common, but more in line with any other form of self harm associated with similar mental illness.
Cross dressing isn't exactly "self harm", in this context.

[girlgye]

I've known many BP sufferers and cross dressing was not one of the symptoms.
Promiscuity was common, but more in line with any other form of self harm associated with similar mental illness.
Cross dressing isn't exactly "self harm", in this context.

I haven't seen the garb please post the link.
If you think of Britney Spear before and post treatment you kinda get the idea. Although she is probably a bad example coz she dresses bad all the time. However, when going through her delusional period she well looked kinda crazy. she shaved her head and went round showing her poonarney. I'd say that's on a par with the delusional way he is behaving. However on a more sober footing I couldn't put it better than this guy about the prurient aping of someone who is so obviously in mental distress.
http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=101&aid=135566

[drhemp]

Ex-MI5 agent faces squat eviction

Former MI5 agent David Shayler and a group of squatters have been ordered to leave a National Trust property.

A judge at Guildford County Court said he would make Hackhurst Farmhouse in Abinger, near Dorking in Surrey, the subject of a possession order.

Judge Robert Reid QC said the squatters were trespassing.

Mr Shayler, who was was jailed in November 2002 for breaking the Official Secrets Act, joined the squatters earlier this year.

Philip Glen, acting for The National Trust, said notices had been placed outside the farmhouse warning the squatters to leave the building ahead of the hearing.

Refurbishment delays

None of the group appeared in court on Wednesday.

A spokeswoman for The National Trust said: "We are very pleased with the judge's decision.

"Legal fees and the delay to scheduled building refurbishments have cost The National Trust, a charity supported by public donations, money that would normally fund our conservation work.

"We look forward to taking the farmhouse back into our possession as soon as possible."

The squatters are believed to have moved into the farmhouse on 26 June.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/surrey/8197988.stm

Published: 2009/08/12 18:12:13 GMT

© BBC MMIX

[girlgye]

oh the joys of no fixed abode.

[vienna]

I choose to express my opinion of Shayler through the medium of potatoshop

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/hilary49/5.jpg

[rob menard]

Lmao!

[girlgye]

yeah very good satire.

I hardly think David Shaylor speaks for or represents the truth movement anymore than he did for MI5.

[paulstott]

He has done good work for the truth movement in the past.



Such as?

David Shayler's major concern has always appeared to be ....... David Shayler.

[yozhik]

Oh geeez ... I now have nightmares about cross-dressing becoming an obligatory dress code of the new Freeman Society.

It's impossible to find a nice pair of fetching high heels in my size, and I simply do not have the legs for a dress or skirt of any kind.

I'm doomed.

[tien an]

I (apparently) have the legs...but can't find anything in shoe size 11 1/2!

To be fair, the guy really does need help, but I don't think anyone on here is qualified to give it to him.


tian an.

[ibaster]

David Shayler gave credibility to the "truth movement" . If Joe Bloggs speaks on a 9/11 video or a London Bombings video people can say "this guy is nobody". With David there were credentials. He would know after all.

I tend to agree with David`s former partner that he has been broken but as I saw suggested somewhere else on this forum, perhaps he just found his true self. Maybe that suit got old. He finally feels like a free man on the land so to speak. Even if that free man dresses like a woman so what?

Yes he is now subjected to ridicule which in turn does not help any of us. Having said that did we not learn from David Icke? I know you do not have to be a supporter of David Icke to be here but this video pretty much can be applied to Shayler in my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUCWklH-hgk

If Icke liked to dress in drag would none of you post here? He gets the ridicule from the mainstream just the same.

[jakemaverick]

PM me for my story....


jakemaverick911@gmail.com

how do you become a senior member on here??? is it an age thing????

[tien an]

PM me for my story....


jakemaverick911@gmail.com

how do you become a senior member on here??? is it an age thing????

nah...just keep posting.


tian an.

[bob_jones]

Ex-MI5 agent faces squat eviction

Former MI5 agent David Shayler and a group of squatters have been ordered to leave a National Trust property.

A judge at Guildford County Court said he would make Hackhurst Farmhouse in Abinger, near Dorking in Surrey, the subject of a possession order.

Judge Robert Reid QC said the squatters were trespassing.

Mr Shayler, who was was jailed in November 2002 for breaking the Official Secrets Act, joined the squatters earlier this year.

Philip Glen, acting for The National Trust, said notices had been placed outside the farmhouse warning the squatters to leave the building ahead of the hearing.

Refurbishment delays

None of the group appeared in court on Wednesday.

A spokeswoman for The National Trust said: "We are very pleased with the judge's decision.

"Legal fees and the delay to scheduled building refurbishments have cost The National Trust, a charity supported by public donations, money that would normally fund our conservation work.

"We look forward to taking the farmhouse back into our possession as soon as possible."

The squatters are believed to have moved into the farmhouse on 26 June.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/surrey/8197988.stm

Published: 2009/08/12 18:12:13 GMT

© BBC MMIX

So is this a psy-op, like the burkini story.

I mean if you wanted a story where people would side with the owner not the squatters then this is it.

The burkini one was for those managed middle class conversations at dinner parties IMO e.g "yea darling, keep boming the rag heads, i don't want to be enslaved inot wearing a burkini dear".

So now it seems we are to be managed to side against some patsy squatters, not some genuinley homeless guy who got into an empty property to avoid hypothermia, because that guy will be the loser in future.

And it will test a point of law and precident will go against liberty yet again.

And Shalyer will say he was standing up for that point of law not puttinig it's arse out deliberately to get it kicked by the judge.

I suppose the irony is they Royals, particularly the busy Chrles is behind all this again.

Power from the people ride on!

And the irony being that the Windsor-Bosh actually live on land stolen after the battle of Culloden and only actually have squaters rights themselves.

My friend Robin said that all land reverts to the crown after 100 yrs as if to re-butt that point.

And it came out of the blue too, not as part of a conversation.

But when I asked him who told him that (meaning who told him to say that) he said he didn't know.

Because as Lady Diana warned me, Prince Charles is bribing all my friends.

But that was many years before I met Robin, but all the same, they will bribe the local shop to stop gossip and so it is almost certain they pay everyone I have regular contact with.

Read all about The Treason of the Windsor-Bosh using the link below if you want a bonafide scandal not an invented one to read about.

[paulstott]

David Shayler gave credibility to the "truth movement" . If Joe Bloggs speaks on a 9/11 video or a London Bombings video people can say "this guy is nobody". With David there were credentials. He would know after all.



He did nothing of the sort.

Instead he showed the truth movement for what it is - people were willing to accept anyone who said they believed in truth concepts, even when they carried on pushing clear state agendas (Shayler and Machon never gave up their attachment to the US/UK government view of Lockerbie for example) As late as 2005 Annie Machon published a book that accepted the official narrative on 9/11!

Taken in to the bosom of the movement, Shayler than discredited it with his anti-semitism, messiah conversion and cross-dressing, whilst Machon simply closed the UK and Ireland truth movement down from within.

And you still say he gave you credibility?

[drhemp]

He did nothing of the sort.

Instead he showed the truth movement for what it is - people were willing to accept anyone who said they believed in truth concepts, even when they carried on pushing clear state agendas (Shayler and Machon never gave up their attachment to the US/UK government view of Lockerbie for example) As late as 2005 Annie Machon published a book that accepted the official narrative on 9/11!

Taken in to the bosom of the movement, Shayler than discredited it with his anti-semitism, messiah conversion and cross-dressing, whilst Machon simply closed the UK and Ireland truth movement down from within.

And you still say he gave you credibility?

I think that is a very unfair analysis from the web master of 9/11 Cult Watch (http://paulstott.typepad.com/911cultwatch/) - a web site set up to support the US government's Official Version of 9/11 and to discredit the 9/11 truth movement.

I saw Dave speak several times before he became a cross-dressing Messiah and I have to say he was very credible as an ex-MI5 agent who really knew his facts. I also remember seeing him on Newsnight once when he wiped the floor with Paxman, not an easy task.

Your slur on Annie is completely untrue, as someone who has been involved with the Truth Movement, I can tell you Annie has helped organise events throughout the UK, including 2 tours by William Rodriquez. I also know she has done a lot of work for 'Make Wars History'.

The truth is, you and your organisation, Notes From The Borderland (http://www.borderland.co.uk/), have been attacking David Shayler, Annie Machon and the 9/11 Truth Movement long before Dave had his breakdown. Dave's Messiah revelation to me was very sad, as it played into the hands of people like you and Larry O'hara, who have always been out to discredit him and the 9/11 Truth Movement, making me actually question who you really are and what your motives are and who you really work for? I remember very soon after Dave announced he was Jesus, you got in straight away with a front page story about it on your 9/11 Cult Watch site, written in such a way to try to discredit the Truth Movement as a whole.

Before Dave started his bizarre behavior you were already publicly slagging him off, and you must have thought Christmas has come early when you read he'd gone mad.

[paulstott]

I think that is a very unfair analysis from the web master of http://paulstott.typepad.com/911cultwatch/ - a web site set up to support the US government's Official Version of 9/11 and to discredit the 9/11 truth movement.



Its not often someone begins a post with a whopper, but Dr Hemp manages it in his first sentence.

Our blog, and the complementary 9/11 Cultwatch site (http://paulstott.typepad.com/911cultwatch/) was not created to support the US governments version of 9/11 at all.
Nor was it set up to discredit the 'truth' movement (you do that well enough yourselves) it was instead set up to expose some of the more ludicrous theories about 9/11, those behind such rot, and most importantly of all to rebuff 'truth' theories from getting a hold in the left, green, Anarchist and anti-war movements.

Put simply we need to criticise Blair/Bush/Brown etc for what they have done, (which is bad enough) not for things they have not.
Secondly we need to hit the spooks hard for what they have done, rather than following distractor flares fired by ex (?) MI5 officers telling us that no planes hit the twin towers, or that the Jews lie behind everything.

The dangers of 'truth' theories taking hold are best exemplified by events in Birmingham over the past few years. A section of the Muslim community, long seen by 'truth' activists as its natural constituency, has sadly adapted some of these ideals (witness the footage of Birmingham Central Mosque in the BBC's Conspiracy Files programme)

I have no idea why the 'English Defence League' chose to have their recent anti-Islam protest in Birmingham, but the conduct of the head of Birmingham Central Mosque, Dr Mohammed Naseem, and the garbage he has spouted on 7/7 since 2005, hardly helps.

We have enough racists and idiots in this country, without 'truth' theories further buggering up our community relations.

[rodin]

I saw Dave speak several times before he became a cross-dressing Messiah and I have to say he was very credible as an ex-MI5 agent who really knew his facts. I also remember seeing him on Newsnight once when he wiped the floor with Paxman, not an easy task.

Your slur on Annie is completely untrue, as someone who has been involved with the Truth Movement, I can tell you Annie has helped organise events throughout the UK, including 2 tours by William Rodriquez. I also know she has done a lot of work for 'Make Wars History'.

Yes I am in 2 minds about David. Someone with expert knowledge from the GoldIsMoney forum observed his speech and gesture patterns some time ago and concluded he was showing signs of having been brainwashed

Have 'Make Wars History' focussed on the fact that Mama Rothschild said 'if my sons did not want wars there would be none'?

You know - the same shower giving succour to the Black Princess?

[yozhik]

Its not often someone begins a post with a whopper, but Dr Hemp manages it in his first sentence.

Our blog, and the complementary 9/11 Cultwatch site (http://paulstott.typepad.com/911cultwatch/) was not created to support the US governments version of 9/11 at all.
Nor was it set up to discredit the 'truth' movement (you do that well enough yourselves) it was instead set up to expose some of the more ludicrous theories about 9/11, those behind such rot, and most importantly of all to rebuff 'truth' theories from getting a hold in the left, green, Anarchist and anti-war movements.

Put simply we need to criticise Blair/Bush/Brown etc for what they have done, (which is bad enough) not for things they have not.
Secondly we need to hit the spooks hard for what they have done, rather than following distractor flares fired by ex (?) MI5 officers telling us that no planes hit the twin towers, or that the Jews lie behind everything.

The dangers of 'truth' theories taking hold are best exemplified by events in Birmingham over the past few years. A section of the Muslim community, long seen by 'truth' activists as its natural constituency, has sadly adapted some of these ideals (witness the footage of Birmingham Central Mosque in the BBC's Conspiracy Files programme)

I have no idea why the 'English Defence League' chose to have their recent anti-Islam protest in Birmingham, but the conduct of the head of Birmingham Central Mosque, Dr Mohammed Naseem, and the garbage he has spouted on 7/7 since 2005, hardly helps.

We have enough racists and idiots in this country, without 'truth' theories further buggering up our community relations.

... and this has what exactly to do with Freeman-On-The-Land and/or David's request for help?

Not a sleight at the views expressed; merely the forum in which they're offered.

Seems more like either a personal dispute unfolding, which has been simmering for years ... or a 9/11 subject ... or even a Psy-Ops topic?

[ibaster]

He did nothing of the sort.

Instead he showed the truth movement for what it is - people were willing to accept anyone who said they believed in truth concepts, even when they carried on pushing clear state agendas (Shayler and Machon never gave up their attachment to the US/UK government view of Lockerbie for example) As late as 2005 Annie Machon published a book that accepted the official narrative on 9/11!

Taken in to the bosom of the movement, Shayler than discredited it with his anti-semitism, messiah conversion and cross-dressing, whilst Machon simply closed the UK and Ireland truth movement down from within.

And you still say he gave you credibility?

Hold on now.

I feel he gave credibility to both the 7/7 and 9/11 causes as well as Diana`s murder. Not really heard from him regarding Lockerbie or his feelings about Jews. No idea about Machon`s stance on anything really so I could not say. She was never as prominent as David though. Maybe she was spared if she rolled over. The point I am making is that he did give credibility, past tense.

I also don`t see cross dressing as a discredit because it is something that is an expression of self that some people enjoy and it does me no harm. So I would be interested to learn more about the other points you raised but I will reiterate that I said he gave credibility when he first came out and his actions after the fact could be for numerous reasons.

[drhemp]

Its not often someone begins a post with a whopper, but Dr Hemp manages it in his first sentence.

Our blog, and the complementary 9/11 Cultwatch site (http://paulstott.typepad.com/911cultwatch/) was not created to support the US governments version of 9/11 at all.
Nor was it set up to discredit the 'truth' movement (you do that well enough yourselves) it was instead set up to expose some of the more ludicrous theories about 9/11, those behind such rot, and most importantly of all to rebuff 'truth' theories from getting a hold in the left, green, Anarchist and anti-war movements.

Put simply we need to criticise Blair/Bush/Brown etc for what they have done, (which is bad enough) not for things they have not.
Secondly we need to hit the spooks hard for what they have done, rather than following distractor flares fired by ex (?) MI5 officers telling us that no planes hit the twin towers, or that the Jews lie behind everything.

The dangers of 'truth' theories taking hold are best exemplified by events in Birmingham over the past few years. A section of the Muslim community, long seen by 'truth' activists as its natural constituency, has sadly adapted some of these ideals (witness the footage of Birmingham Central Mosque in the BBC's Conspiracy Files programme)

I have no idea why the 'English Defence League' chose to have their recent anti-Islam protest in Birmingham, but the conduct of the head of Birmingham Central Mosque, Dr Mohammed Naseem, and the garbage he has spouted on 7/7 since 2005, hardly helps.

We have enough racists and idiots in this country, without 'truth' theories further buggering up our community relations.

A lie does not become the truth merely because it is repeated often enough. As you well know, the majority of the Truth Movement does not believe in the 'No Planes theory' or that the Jews were behind 9/11, but of course you are happy to muddy the waters with these suggestions, because that is what your organisation is all about.

You were slagging off Shayler and the 9/11 Truth Movement long before Dave endorsed the 'No Planes Theory'. At the time, I was one of Dave's friends telling him to keep his mouth shut about the 'No Planes Theory', precisely because I knew poisonous organisations, such as yours, would use it to try to discredit the 9/11 Truth Movement as a whole. Which you duly and predictably then did. Sorry sonny, coming on David Icke's forum and playing all innocent doesn't wash with me, as I fully am aware of what Notes From The Borderland and it's sister site 9/11 Cult Watch are all about, I'll leave it to other members of the Icke forum to have a look at your sites and make their own minds up, rather than get into another long and boring argument with someone who I consider to be controlled opposition.

Anyone with the research skills of a 10 year old can know fully well that 9/11 wasn't carried out by 15 cave dwellers from Afghanistan and was in fact an inside job. 'No Planes Theories', Jews and Messiahs are just a distraction from the truth.

Watch out for Paul Stott and 9/11 Cult Watch, you won't find them answering the questions about 9/11 posed by people like Steve Jones, Prof David Ray Griffin or William Rodriguez, instead you will just get cheap shots thrown at a mentally ill, cross dressing ex-MI5 agent who thinks he's Jesus and deliberately using Shayler's bizarre antics to discredit the 9/11 Truth Community as a whole. You don't fool me!

[bsmurph83]

A lie does not become the truth merely because it is repeated often enough. As you well know, the majority of the Truth Movement does not believe in the 'No Planes theory' or that the Jews were behind 9/11, but of course you are happy to muddy the waters with these suggestions, because that is what your organisation is all about.

You were slagging off Shayler and the 9/11 Truth Movement long before Dave endorsed the 'No Planes Theory'. At the time, I was one of Dave's friends telling him to keep his mouth shut about the 'No Planes Theory', precisely because I knew poisonous organisations, such as yours, would use it to try to discredit the 9/11 Truth Movement as a whole. Which you duly and predictably then did. Sorry sonny, coming on David Icke's forum and playing all innocent doesn't wash with me, as I fully am aware of what Notes From The Borderland and it's sister site 9/11 Cult Watch are all about, I'll leave it to other members of the Icke forum to have a look at your sites and make their own minds up, rather than get into another long and boring argument with someone who I consider to be controlled opposition.

Anyone with the research skills of a 10 year old can know fully well that 9/11 wasn't carried out by 15 cave dwellers from Afghanistan and was in fact an inside job. 'No Planes Theories', Jews and Messiahs are just a distraction from the truth.

Watch out for Paul Stott and 9/11 Cult Watch, you won't find them answering the questions about 9/11 posed by people like Steve Jones, Prof David Ray Griffin or William Rodriguez, instead you will just get cheap shots thrown at a mentally ill, cross dressing ex-MI5 agent who thinks he's Jesus and deliberately using Shayler's bizarre antics to discredit the 9/11 Truth Community as a whole. You don't fool me!

damn, and here i was thinking that the freeman forum had somehow escaped the attention of debunkers, shills and pseudo-sceptics... guess i had better think again... i have always enjoyed the fact that the trolling antics of certain parties almost never found their way to this forum. perhaps they can take their antics elsewhere. the last thing we need is FMOTL becoming the kind of shit fight that the 9/11 forum is/has become. hopefully the good mod's such as dr. hemp will ensure this forum's standards remain high and keep the mud-slingers, disinfo agents and riot starters away.

[girlgye]

We are policing ithe Freeman Forum ourselves. The mods cover all of DI Forums. BSMurph you don't get on here often enough as you admit you aren't into the freeman stuff these days.

[drhemp]

Shayler in the Telegraph today

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6061606/David-Shayler-evicted-from-National-Trust-property.html

[dolores1]

I got my FMOL Notarised yesterday 19.08.09 and I wish I lived near David to help him. He is FREE to believe what He thinks.


Talk is cheap and in some cases this is the only value some PERSONS have.

GL David & LOL

[dolores1]

P.S.

David,
Did you have to call yourself after me ?

[drhemp]

and in the Daily Mail ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207963/Police-evict-MI5-whistleblower-Shayler-farmhouse.html

[the worm that turned]

I got my FMOL Notarised yesterday 19.08.09 and I wish I lived near David to help him. He is FREE to believe what He thinks.


Talk is cheap and in some cases this is the only value some PERSONS have.

GL David & LOL

I agree that David needs help from us but something tells me everything will work out well for him.

Well done you on the FMOL, which I asume means your Notice of Intent and Claim of Right! Apologies if you have posted already but are you willing to share your NoI and CoR with us and tell us who was willing to notarise it? Also, are you UK based?

Sorry for brief thread hijack :o

[dr_strangelove]

its not often someone begins a post with a whopper, but dr hemp manages it in his first sentence.

Our blog, and the complementary 9/11 cultwatch site (http://paulstott.typepad.com/911cultwatch/) was not created to support the us governments version of 9/11 at all.
Nor was it set up to discredit the 'truth' movement (you do that well enough yourselves) it was instead set up to expose some of the more ludicrous theories about 9/11, those behind such rot, and most importantly of all to rebuff 'truth' theories from getting a hold in the left, green, anarchist and anti-war movements.

ko kooo !

thank you for visiting the 9/11 cultwatch blog.

We have watched with alarm the spread of the 9/11 'truth' movement. We oppose its venal analysis, lazy research, dubious politics and the anti-semitism that lies at its core. Unopposed these ideas will spread - the 'truth' movement has already spawned a ginger headed stepson - the 7/7 'truth' movement - other flawed campaigns will no doubt follow.

From the e mails and personal approaches we are receiving, it is obvious that the message of 9/11 cultwatch is spreading.

You too can help us. We value information on 'truth' activities. If you have a blog or website, why not link to this site? Lacking the financial backing of wealthy cranks like jimmy walter or belinda mckenzie, means this blog takes adverts to pay its way. If you see any google ads here that interest you - click on them. We earn money from that.

Finally 9/11 cultwatch will consider approaches to speak at conferences, public meetings and to the media about the 9/11 'truth' movement and its offshoots. Feel free to get in touch.

[dr_strangelove]

http://blog.uncovering.org/archives/uploads/2007/070606_blog.uncovering.org_ipcress-files-6.jpg

[dr_strangelove]

I just hope he doesn't get committed.

[tien an]

I got my FMOL Notarised yesterday 19.08.09 and I wish I lived near David to help him. He is FREE to believe what He thinks.


Talk is cheap and in some cases this is the only value some PERSONS have.

GL David & LOL

You did what?
Who was the Notary...please.

tian an.

[djhooker]

i seem david has made the news, saw an article today in the metro about them being evicted, i loved the quote they used, 'i'm homeless but i'm jesus christ, so i'm ok'

[free_soul]

If he's Jesus Christ, then why can't he help himself? I mean, either he is, or he isn't, and if he isn't then why is he saying he is?

Hes probably having a kundalini expierience of sorts a little like DI mixed with knowledge he knows is being confused within his mind. The things he says however are very truthfull

[paulstott]

Anyone with the research skills of a 10 year old can know fully well that 9/11 wasn't carried out by 15 cave dwellers from Afghanistan



I think you mean 15 Saudi's.

[ibaster]

I think you mean 15 Saudi's.



Actually the alleged hijackers were not all Saudi`s.

[paulstott]

Actually the alleged hijackers were not all Saudi`s.

15 of the 19 were, which is fairly consistent with what is known about Al Qaeda's membership at that time.

Secondly having so many Saudi's on board really put the cat amongst the pigeons as regards the relationship between the Americans and the Saudi royal family (who Bin Laden hates)

The issue peaked with Michael Moore's excellent Farenheit 9/11, before (sadly) the 'truth' movement's rise turned the focus away from Saudi Arabia and onto other things.

PS. Love the avatar by the way.

[ibaster]

15 of the 19 were, which is fairly consistent with what is known about Al Qaeda's membership at that time.

Secondly having so many Saudi's on board really put the cat amongst the pigeons as regards the relationship between the Americans and the Saudi royal family (who Bin Laden hates)

The issue peaked with Michael Moore's excellent Farenheit 9/11, before (sadly) the 'truth' movement's rise turned the focus away from Saudi Arabia and onto other things.

PS. Love the avatar by the way.

Do you not think it strange that the list of hijackers came out so quickly yet the events themselves appeared to catch everybody involved in the security of America sleeping?

[wildhorse]

and in the Daily Mail ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207963/Police-evict-MI5-whistleblower-Shayler-farmhouse.html

So he did get evicted then.. :( ...bastards for the way they manhandled him and his friends. Does the Rainbow movement have a website?

Theres a spare room and internet connection going if he or his mates ever gets stuck...I have boosted him and his friends and will be thinking of something to 'do' practically...

this thread is about helping David, lets not get too sidetracked about other issues.

[drhemp]

15 of the 19 were, which is fairly consistent with what is known about Al Qaeda's membership at that time.

Secondly having so many Saudi's on board really put the cat amongst the pigeons as regards the relationship between the Americans and the Saudi royal family (who Bin Laden hates)

The issue peaked with Michael Moore's excellent Farenheit 9/11, before (sadly) the 'truth' movement's rise turned the focus away from Saudi Arabia and onto other things.

PS. Love the avatar by the way.

If you wish to debate, as Icke calls it, the official fairy tale that is 9/11, then please go to the 9/11 part of this forum, where there are plenty of posters on here that will completely demolish any suggestions you may put forward that 9/11 was not an inside job.

This part of the forum is about Freeman of the Land, feel free to post and contribute in this section, if you have anything interesting to say about Freeman issues. You'll be most welcome, but please go to 9/11 if you want to discuss that.

[ibaster]

So has anybody here ever met David? Any news of him since eviction? I am finding info hard here in Georgia. I should consult Jeeves maybe.

[tien an]

I got my FMOL Notarised yesterday 19.08.09 and I wish I lived near David to help him. He is FREE to believe what He thinks.


Talk is cheap and in some cases this is the only value some PERSONS have.

GL David & LOL

Yes, it seems that since you didn't bother to answer my question (or the same from The Worm that turned), on who 'Notarised your FMOL', I'll have to conclude that talk is, indeed, cheap.

tian an.