Charlie Veitch vs. Armed Police at USA Embassy Lon

[vienna]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qZJiaSxGMw&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fforum%2Eebaumsworld%2Ecom%2Fshow thread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D298448&feature=player_embedded

skip forward to when officer questions him

he starts off by quoting section 44 of terrorism act and then asks if he 'understands'

his mistake was saying yes

'undertstand' = 'to stand under, to submit, grasp, seize etc'

so when he said yes he agreed andconsented to the terrorism 'act' not Law

[rosix]

when an 'official'/'authority' asks you if you understand, what's the best answer?

[merlincove]

when an 'official'/'authority' asks you if you understand, what's the best answer?

Well in saying yes when asked 'do you understand,' you are giving away your own power and assertiveness. You are saying, yes i do understand = i stand under you therefore you have authority over me. Saying 'no, i do not understand, i over stand because in doing so i give up none of my inalenible rights.' is the way to go. Tho you might have to go into some more detail as to what those rights are.

He should have also said that he did not give his consent to being searched, and that he was going to keep recording the conversation as evidence. Also the film is his own private property and the police are entitled to a copy, but the officer is going for the prevention of terrorism act, which is a dodgy one for us as it in itself removes a lot of our right - and they know it, that is why it was created.

They can hold you for longer, and with all due respect to the guy filming, he was walking on very thin ice here and as such is leaving himself wide open to arrest. Did he get arrested?

[rosix]

yea I 'understand' (haha) that merlincove, but the past few weeks I've been thinking of what the best reply to "Do you understand?" is and what I came up with is "I reserve my right to not accept your offer to contract, do you understand?" haha :)

[Ian2day]

Well in saying yes when asked 'do you understand,' you are giving away your own power and assertiveness. You are saying, yes i do understand = i stand under you therefore you have authority over me. Saying 'no, i do not understand, i over stand because in doing so i give up none of my inalenible rights.' is the way to go. Tho you might have to go into some more detail as to what those rights are.

He should have also said that he did not give his consent to being searched, and that he was going to keep recording the conversation as evidence. Also the film is his own private property and the police are entitled to a copy, but the officer is going for the prevention of terrorism act, which is a dodgy one for us as it in itself removes a lot of our right - and they know it, that is why it was created.

They can hold you for longer, and with all due respect to the guy filming, he was walking on very thin ice here and as such is leaving himself wide open to arrest. Did he get arrested?


Sorry I just cant help myself at times. It just seems to be inspired from nothing and everything when I write a lyric or two such as this one. I have a melody and bassline going round my head for this track. Anyone want to record the vocals and we colab the production and rights. I have a few other lyrics which would sound good as Ragga/Reggae tracks. Just think of a Damian Marley vibe to it. Any interest at all:confused:
Never Understand A Thing

Rastas never understand a thing that Babylon say
Rastas only ever overstand each and everyday
Rastas never lie down for the man with dat corruption plan
Rastas only ever upstand on da land each and everyday

You see babylon you turn around and say
me no understand anyting day say
So teach the yoot and lickle children
The Rasta rules/rights to respect and say

Rastas never understand a thing that Babylon say
Rastas only ever overstand each and everyday
Rastas never lie down for the man with dat corruption plan
Rastas only ever upstand each and everyday

You see the man in the official way
me no understand anyting day say
So take the time to spread word round
These Rasta rules/rights to respect and say

Rastas never understand a thing that Babylon say
Rastas only ever overstand each adn everyday
Rastas never lie down for the man with dat corruption plan
Rastas only ever upstand on da land each and everyday

Copyright Ian2day All Rights Reserved 2009

[majorlee]

yea I 'understand' (haha) that merlincove, but the past few weeks I've been thinking of what the best reply to "Do you understand?" is and what I came up with is "I reserve my right to not accept your offer to contract, do you understand?" haha :)

powerful words my friend!

lol we need a the hitchhikers guide to freemanism lol

DON'T PANIC!! For every question there is an answer!!


u can see undercover agents from the first few seconds in the film - would love to live in the UK and go and film it myself to practice my lines!

[vienna]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzyPMx1Yx8o


I sent Charlie a private message via youtube with some links to John Harris and Rob Menard , he says he already watching them and waking up to this stuff - so expect some more vids in future where he plays the freeman stuff out :)

[yozhik]

yea I 'understand' (haha) that merlincove, but the past few weeks I've been thinking of what the best reply to "Do you understand?" is and what I came up with is "I reserve my right to not accept your offer to contract, do you understand?" haha :)

Simple; say "no".

If they repeat the question, repeat the answer.
"No, I do not understand, nor do I consent to contracting with you. I reserve and withold all of my unalienable rights, without prejudice."

(long pause)

"Do YOU understand Mr Policy Enforcer?"

[merlincove]

when an 'official'/'authority' asks you if you understand, what's the best answer?


Sorry I just cant help myself at times. It just seems to be inspired from nothing and everything when I write a lyric or two such as this one. I have a melody and bassline going round my head for this track. Anyone want to record the vocals and we colab the production and rights. I have a few other lyrics which would sound good as Ragga/Reggae tracks. Just think of a Damian Marley vibe to it. Any interest at all:confused:
Never Understand A Thing

Rastas never understand a thing that Babylon say
Rastas only ever overstand each and everyday
Rastas never lie down for the man with dat corruption plan
Rastas only ever upstand on da land each and everyday

You see babylon you turn around and say
me no understand anyting day say
So teach the yoot and lickle children
The Rasta rules/rights to respect and say

Rastas never understand a thing that Babylon say
Rastas only ever overstand each and everyday
Rastas never lie down for the man with dat corruption plan
Rastas only ever upstand each and everyday

You see the man in the official way
me no understand anyting day say
So take the time to spread word round
These Rasta rules/rights to respect and say

Rastas never understand a thing that Babylon say
Rastas only ever overstand each adn everyday
Rastas never lie down for the man with dat corruption plan
Rastas only ever upstand on da land each and everyday

Copyright Ian2day All Rights Reserved 2009



Simple; say "no".

If they repeat the question, repeat the answer.
"No, I do not understand, nor do I consent to contracting with you. I reserve and withold all of my unalienable rights, without prejudice."

(long pause)

"Do YOU understand Mr Policy Enforcer?"

Nice Nice Nice

it is all good fun.

[Ian2day]

Nice Nice Nice

it is all good fun.

Cheers I could of swore that I wrote overstand not upstand :confused:

[tien an]

Simple; say "no".

If they repeat the question, repeat the answer.
"No, I do not understand, nor do I consent to contracting with you. I reserve and withold all of my unalienable rights, without prejudice."

(long pause)

"Do YOU understand Mr Policy Enforcer?"

Like it.
Been watching the Antiterrorist by any chance?

[yozhik]

They throw the Anti-Terrorism Act in our faces to give them presumed authority to do anything they want.

I'm waiting for the day they cite this Act if you1re eating the wrong flavoured ice cream.

Fucking disgusting.

[rosix]

as soon as an act is put in place is it totally irrelevant, in the eys of the 'law', how and/or why that act was put in place?

[dondaz]

I think they may try to kick Charlie out of the country soon. He's making some interesting vids.

I'm waiting for them to try this one on me for filming in public. They will one day. What we have to watch out for is if arrested under the terrorism act they could then kick your front door in and sieze equipment and other footage you may have.

It's all a big con of course.

Terrorist, terrorist, al qiada, terrorist, terrorist, al qiada, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, iraq, terrorist, afghanistan, terrorist, your neighbour, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist...

Go on Charlie!:D

[merlincove]

yeah, fair comment darren, the terror acts were def passed to keep us in order under the guise of terrorism. And, the beauty of the act, if you question it then you are a threat to national security and must be a terrorist. Bastards.

It won't be long before they drag folk who are filming the police and official buildings off to the terror courts, nice camera you have sir, thanks its mine now...

Freedom of speech anyone?

it's in the cell over there, next to freedom of expression

[alternative_answer]

Know you rights & excercise them, ALWAYS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE8rfefPQ24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8XwehIHSnQ

Full Transcript:

Advice on Dealing with the Police by
"Hey Mr Policeman you are violating my rights!"

Golden Rule : Keep your mouth shut. Anything you say is used AGAINST you.

Do you have to talk and answer questions whether by police or authority ?
NO

If the policeman asks you for information about yourself. You do not have to answer. But you can tell him that if you want info about an incident, then fair enough but I dont have to give MY DETAILS to them.

Policeman : "What have you got to hide ?"
Respond : "Well, if I told you what I was hiding, then it would no longer be hidden would it!", "So I'm not telling you what I'm hiding. As it happens, I'm hiding my privacy". "Privacy is only of value to those who value their privacy and so it's none of yours or anyone business".

Even at the scene of an accident, you dont have to tell them your details. But they will probably put you in a cell. But you are in your rights not to give details. They will try to intimidate you into giving them your details or answering questions or they will "arrest you and charge with obstruction of an officer in the performance of it's duty".
Be prepared to go into a cell to keep your privacy.

Dont fall for their nice talk when they appear sympathetic SAY NOTHING.
DENY NOTHING. YOU HAVE NOT PAST, NO NAME, NO ADDRESS

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When a Policeman stops you to ask you questions :-

Get your mobile phone out and record it all and make sure the cop knows that you are recording. Say "Hello Officer, I recognise your contact. What is the nature of the intended detention ?"
If he says that you can NOT record the conversation, you say "In that case am I free to go ?" If he "yes" then you are free to go and you say "thank you for your time, goodbye", but if he says "no, youre not free to go", then you say again "What is the naure of the intended detention ?" (Always ask the questions cos you are then in the master position).
If he refuses to tell you what he is stopping you for then you ask him, "Did you witness me breach the peace ?". He will reply "yes" or "no".
If he says "no" then you say "I am now reserving my right not to speak to a police officer who has not witnessed me breach the peace. Thank you and good day". Walk away.
If he asks you for some identification. Ask him "Am I obliged to carry some identification ?". If he asks for your name then ask him if you are obliged to give him your name. The answer to both of those questions is "no". If he says "yes", then he is acting fraudulently, he's not acting as a lawful police officer. Ask him again "Am I free to go ? AM I FREE TO GO ? AM I FREE TO GO ?" If they continue to detain you then ask "Am I under arrest ? Am I free to go ? Am I under arrest ? Am I free to go ? Am I under arrest ?".

If they CONTINUE to detain you and they give you a sense that you are going to be arrested then IMMEDIATELY say "Officer I'm a peaceful man, if you are going to arrest me, there will be no need for force or violence. However, you are obliged to note that I am operating under protest and duress at all times. I reserve all of my rights at all times and waive none of my rights at any time for any cause or reason".

Then, if they take you down to the station the golden rule is to keep you mouth shut, say nothing, shut up! You do NOT give them permission to take your finger prints, you do not give them consent to ask any further questions, you do not give them consent to put their hands on you in any way shape or form "You do not have consent to touch me officer". They key here is that they can only police BY CONSENT. When they are working with "statutory regulations" THEY NEED YOUR CONSENT. NOTHING CAN BE DONE WITH STATUTORY REGULATIONS WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT - NOTHING! (Obviously if you are guilty of a crime then you should take the punishment like a man).

If they put you in a cell relax, ignore any intimdation and tactics to get you to speak. You are not required to give your fingerprints or to give your DNA (or a blood or a urine sample), NOT WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT. You waive your rights by opening your mouth of giving them what they want. The only way of getting out of the cell (but it could take a day) then you must SHUT UP cos then they have to release you.

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The police dont like YOU to ask THEM questions. It's completely alien to them. "Until youve established probable cause my friend, there is a Roman Maximum in law that says quote- Equality before the law is paramount and mandatory -unquote That means before you have established that I have done anything wrong then you and I are on equal footing my friend no matter what uniform youre wearing so you will treat me with respect and you will speak across to me and not down to me or I will not assist you in anyway shape or form".

The new statutory legistlation of stop and search powers are being abused by the police. You just have to say "No I do not consent. I am not consenting to any searches today. Thank you very much. Am I free to go ? Am I under arrest ? Am I free to go ? Am I under arrest ?".

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[finkthree]

when an 'official'/'authority' asks you if you understand, what's the best answer?

My reply to that would be.. "I heard what you said and I decline your offer to stand-under it."

Stay Safe..