Employer's gold, silver payroll standard may bring

[waronyou]

Employer's gold, silver payroll standard may bring hard time
obert Kahre, who owns numerous construction businesses in Las Vegas, is standing trial on 57 counts of income tax evasion, tax fraud and criminal conspiracy. If convicted on most counts, he could live out his life in prison.

But attorney William Cohan paints Kahre as an American “hero” who believes his payroll system helped keep the U.S. monetary system sound, and was also a form of legal tax avoidance.

A self-made entrepreneur, Kahre, 48, paid his workers in gold and silver coin, and said they could go by the coins’ face value — rather than the much higher market value of their precious metal content — for federal tax purposes. He did not withhold taxes from their wages, and he provided the same payroll system to 35 outside clients, which were other local businesses.

Judge David Ezra is presiding over the criminal trial, which began May 19 in U.S. District Court. Joining Kahre as defendants are his longtime girlfriend, a sister who works in his businesses, and a former business assistant.

Three of the four present defendants were among the nine people tried on similar charges two years ago, but no convictions resulted. In the 2007 trial, four others of the nine defendants, including Kahre’s mother, were entirely acquitted. Two individuals were only partially acquitted, but dropped from the indictment that forms the basis for the trial before Ezra.

This time around, the only new defendant is Danille Cline, Kahre’s girlfriend of 19 years, and the stay-at-home mother of his four children. The government claims she obstructed the Internal Revenue Service by allowing Kahre to place several homes in her name, thus attempting to conceal his assets.
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[motleyhoo]

If their salary was also equal to the face value of the coins then I can see where Kahre has a case. But in this instance, he was paying them coins worth hundreds of dollars commensurate with their "real" salaries and then only declaring the face values of the coins in order to evade paying employer's taxes. I am generally anti-establishment and I do not like taxes any more than anyone else, but this dude broke a law that most of the rest of us have to abide by.

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[notmarkk]

If their salary was also equal to the face value of the coins then I can see where Kahre has a case. But in this instance, he was paying them coins worth hundreds of dollars commensurate with their "real" salaries and then only declaring the face values of the coins in order to evade paying employer's taxes. I am generally anti-establishment and I do not like taxes any more than anyone else, but this dude broke a law that most of the rest of us have to abide by.

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I say well done to him. :)

In my eyes, it's just a man paying somone who worked for him.

[ernie]

If their salary was also equal to the face value of the coins then I can see where Kahre has a case. But in this instance, he was paying them coins worth hundreds of dollars commensurate with their "real" salaries and then only declaring the face values of the coins in order to evade paying employer's taxes. I am generally anti-establishment and I do not like taxes any more than anyone else, but this dude broke a law that most of the rest of us have to abide by.

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I think though, the salient point being that there is no such law in the US.

[motleyhoo]

I think though, the salient point being that there is no such law in the US.

It is illegal under IRS laws to pay people in cash and then under report what you paid them in order to cheat on taxes. A lot of people do it anyway, and if I was getting paid in cash there is no way I'd tell the IRS how much I really made either. But this dude actually kept verifiable records proving he was cheating the govt. He could have paid them in greenbacks and no one would have ever known.

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[norton]

It is illegal under IRS laws to pay people in cash and then under report what you paid them in order to cheat on taxes.
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no it's not. watch th documentary America: freedom to fascism (or something like that) there isn't a law in america that states you have to pay income tax.


or have i got that wrong?

[Ian2day]

no it's not. watch th documentary America: freedom to fascism (or something like that) there isn't a law in america that states you have to pay income tax.


or have i got that wrong?

Thats what I understood from when I watched the video. He should of used palladium coins. I think that they go for over $1K of intrinsic value compared to the $5 of face value.

[ernie]

no it's not. watch th documentary America: freedom to fascism (or something like that) there isn't a law in america that states you have to pay income tax.


or have i got that wrong?
No, you are correct. There are no laws actually passed that commit anyone in the US to have to complete an IRS form or indeed, pay any kind of direct income tax on Labour. Doing so is unconstitutional. There are quite a few ex IRS Employees refusing to pay tax and have not done so for some years now.

You're also correct, the film by Aaron Russo does the research, provides the evidence and gets the whistleblowers evidence on film.

[dankai]

no it's not. watch th documentary America: freedom to fascism (or something like that) there isn't a law in america that states you have to pay income tax.


or have i got that wrong?

You are not wrong. It's called "Voluntary Compliance."

However, the bankers have enlisted our very own law enforcement to be their muscle to make sure we "voluntarily comply."

[motleyhoo]

no it's not. watch th documentary America: freedom to fascism (or something like that) there isn't a law in america that states you have to pay income tax.


or have i got that wrong?

So you're saying that by watching some video I no longer have to pay my taxes? LOL!!!! If you live here then I suggest you try that and see where you end up. It doesn't matter whether it is legal, illegal, constititional, or unconstitutional, if you don't pay your taxes there will be jackboots at your door, and you'll likely notice your paycheck is a lot lighter without you being able to do anything about it. No video is going to get you out of that. Ask Wesley Snipes how it worked out for him.

I'm not syaing it is right, and I'm not saying it is fair. I am saying it is what it is. And under our present circumstances I'm certainly not going to celebrate another rich person cheating on their taxes like they're some kind of hero. I suggest that maybe you have your priorities wrong if you believe otherwise. That's the problem in this country now - too many people trust the wealthy to run things, because after all, they're well educated and they wear nice suits.

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[ernie]

So you're saying that by watching some video I no longer have to pay my taxes? LOL!!!! If you live here then I suggest you try that and see where you end up. It doesn't matter whether it is legal, illegal, constititional, or unconstitutional, if you don't pay your taxes there will be jackboots at your door, and you'll likely notice your paycheck is a lot lighter without you being able to do anything about it. No video is going to get you out of that. Ask Wesley Snipes how it worked out for him.

I'm not syaing it is right, and I'm not saying it is fair. I am saying it is what it is. And under our present circumstances I'm certainly not going to celebrate another rich person cheating on their taxes like they're some kind of hero. I suggest that maybe you have your priorities wrong if you believe otherwise. That's the problem in this country now - too many people trust the wealthy to run things, because after all, they're well educated and they wear nice suits.

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Just to clarify, watching the film doesn't release you from paying taxes, it merely documents, though proper investigative journalism, with evidence and testimonial from expert and robust witnesses, that you, as a US citizen, were never lawfully bound to pay direct taxes on your Labour. I am sure you were joking, but just to make sure…

How you react to that information is down to you as an individual. You can react in fear of Jackboots kicking down your door or research the issue more fully and take it where you will. It looks like you're happy to remain paying taxes to repay the Federal Reserve, even when you have no constitutional or lawful requirement to, which is, of course, your prerogative.

To clarify further, Obert Kahre has not kept tax from his employees, he simply didn't withhold their tax and pay it to the Gov, so I don't think it's a case of another rich bloke getting richer, that is misdirection.

The reason the IRS are pressing this case is out of anger at this employer for daring not to rob the employees of their tax before they get their hands on the money paid to them for their Labour. It is also to try to make an example of his Organisation, just in case any other Organisation tries to free employees from paying an illegal Tax.

I think you're misreading what is going on here and your response is in fact, almost to the letter, the same as the IRS representatives excuses given in the film. If you watch the film, you will find this to be true.

Nothing, whatsoever, in any way to do with too much trust in rich people running things. Whilst that is a good point and not disagreed, it's not what this thread is about, nor is it anything anyone else has proposed.