the duke of kent

[hugolast]

can anyone tell me more about the duke of kent and how important he is and what he's up to. I have read a little mason stuff but need pointing in the right direction, ta

[luciferhorus]

can anyone tell me more about the duke of kent and how important he is and what he's up to. I have read a little mason stuff but need pointing in the right direction, ta


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Above the Grand Master; the Duke of Kent. a/k/a Prince Edward (Edward George Nicholas Patrick Paul)

Field Marshal His Royal Highness Prince Edward George Nicholas Patrick, Duke of Kent, Earl of Saint Andrews, Baron Downpatrick, Royal Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Knight Grand Cross of the Most Distinguished Order of Saint Michael and Saint George, Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order, Aide-de-Camp to Her Majesty, Grand Master of the United Grand Lodge of England and First Grand Principal of the Supreme Grand Chapter of Royal Arch Masons of England, President of The Scout Association?

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The Fieldmarshall is currently engaged in World Capitalist Revolution, the current genocide of all militant enemies in Iraq and Afghanistian and general mayhem on behalf of his cousin the Christian Monarch Elizabeth, her kingdom and her Church.

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By Mohammed Daud Miraki, MA, MA, PhD

April 29, 2006


Original Title
Death Made in America, Wondering if your conscience is stil anesthetized.

URANIUM MUNITIONS

Due to the use of massive amount of uranium munitions used by the US forces in the initial bombing and subsequently, massive amount of congenital deformities occur all over Afghanistan. The rate of various cancers has gone up significantly. Leukemia and esophageal cancers are very high among children. According to doctors at maternity and children hospitals in Kabul, the rate of various congenital deformities have increased by many folds since the US invasion. In fact, the magnitude of man made isotopes was established by the Uranium Medical Research Center after their investigators made to trips to Afghanistan and collected urine and soil samples. They established that the rate of man made isotopes was gone up 2000 times in some subjects located near the bombed areas.

Since uranium used in the weapons have a half-life of 4.5 billion years, the US forces ensured that generations of Afghans suffer from cancers and deformities. This is certainly not development. In fact, it is the biggest crime ever committed by anyone in the history of humanity.

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Rape and Murder by the US forces

In the Bagrami area of Kabul, the US forces assaulted a small enclave of nomads. The US forces flew over this enclave and saw nomad women near their tents. They landed their helicopter and kidnapped these women by gunpoint. Subsequently, the US soldiers flew away with these women to some location, where these women are gang-raped. After these women were raped and died in the process, the soldiers flew them back to the community from where they were kidnapped. However, this time the helicopter did not land, instead, the women were thrown down from the helicopter. This is not unique for the US forces since they committed similar crimes in Vietnam. American forces are too much of cowards to have landed because they knew they would be shot in revenge.

Another incident occurred when a US helicopter spotted an old shepherd grazing his animals. The shepherd was 70 years old but this did not appear to matter to the US forces. The helicopter landed and raped the old man. His relatives told me that on the one hand we are furious about the crime committed by these beasts, but on the other hand we are curious "what kind of rotten people Americans are."

In another incident, a truck driver was driving his truck north from the Kabul, passing the US base in Bagram when the US patrol stopped him. In the passenger seat of the truck a young boy was sitting. This young man wanted to learn driving a truck, but tragically for him, the Americans noticed him and asked him to step out. The young man stepped out and the soldiers took him away from the truck and gang raped him. When the boy returned to the truck, he was crying and furious. Later that day, he committed suicide. This is another gift of the US's democracy.

In the American military base Bagram, north of Kabul, 15 translators while working for the US forces were gang raped by the very forces for which they worked. Although I have no sympathy for those that work for the US forces, however, no one should be subjected to such extreme cruelty. One of the translators said,

"Around 25 to 30 American soldiers enter the area where we were sleeping and started raping us. I was conscious until to the third soldier started raping me and then lost consciousness." (Hamid-translator for the US forces, June 2005)

In Badakhshan province, the US soldiers had taken forty (40) women and extracted their teeth for oral sex. One member of the parliament, who is a close supporter of Karzai, said:

"The issue of these women treated in such a miserable way was about to get some publicity, however, the US officials made sure that this does not happen." (Parliament member--I can not reveal his name)

In another incident, the US forces were searching local houses between JalaAbad and Kabul, when they entered and tried to search the house, they came across the woman of the house, since she was very beautiful, the soldiers decided to take her to the US base. The husband was not at home. When he returned from Peshawar, he went to get his wife. He told his wife,

"To me you are now my mother and sister, I can not touch you any more, but tell me if they have violated your dignity? 'They raped me by force, I was conscious for the first three men, then lost consciousness'." (The husband whose name I can not reveal his name. He joined Taliban afterward and I do not blame him.)

A young man committed suicide in the Laic-e-Mariam in KairKhana area after the Americans in an NGO raped his sister.

These are some of the very few examples of the many crimes committed by the US forces in Afghanistan, but unfortunately, the coward officials of the puppet regime call it reconstruction. To add insult to injury, the two American soldiers, who murdered two detainees at Bagram airbase, received only 2 and 3 months in jail for crime ruled homicide by the US medical examiners. The two detainees were beaten at their legs while hanging from the ceiling until their legs "pulverized". The term "pulverized" was used by the medical examiner to articulate the magnitude of the fatal injury and the inhumane way of murdering. When one of the victims asked for water, the soldier poured water over his face; subsequently, the poor man died. This is American reconstruction of Afghanistan.


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More fun with depleted uranium on:

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Freemasonry: "a fraternal organization dedicated to making good men better".

[lightgiver]

Not forgetting the ones who make the bombs and fight the wars on behalf of Queen liz and co,everyone is responsible,not just a few brainwashed elites.

Oh and not forgetting the British tax payers including yourself LH,who contribute with taxes to the development of DU weapons.

[mike martin]

can anyone tell me more about the duke of kent and how important he is and what he's up to. I have read a little mason stuff but need pointing in the right direction, ta

Bloddy hell, google isn't that complicated you know.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/ThecurrentRoyalFamily/TheDukeofKent/Overview.aspx

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=duke+of+kent&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=

Mike

[hugolast]

thanks for the sarcasm

[marpat]

With regard to post #2, Iraq is not like some poor innocent country. It was not that long ago when it was the Iraqis using chemical weapons against Kurds. How do you know that those pics are not the result of Iraqi attacks on Kurds? Also, during the Iran-Iraq war chemical weapons were often used so there could be the chance that there could be inherited genetic flaws caused by chemcial weapons back then.

[lightgiver]

With regard to post #2, Iraq is not like some poor innocent country. It was not that long ago when it was the Iraqis using chemical weapons against Kurds. How do you know that those pics are not the result of Iraqi attacks on Kurds? Also, during the Iran-Iraq war chemical weapons were often used so there could be the chance that there could be inherited genetic flaws caused by chemcial weapons back then.

and ask yourself where did Saddam the puppet get his chemicals weapons from?

[lightgiver]

thanks for the sarcasm

Sarcasm is a masonic trait:D

[marpat]

and ask yourself where did Saddam the puppet get his chemicals weapons from?

The west but it was him who used them!!!! can the west be blamed for acts that another person carried out? if he did not have the chemicals he would have used normal weapons. He wanted to kill and his army did that for him. Many of these are now the insurgents who are 'only fighting for their freedom'.

[element]

The west but it was him who used them!!!! can the west be blamed for acts that another person carried out? if he did not have the chemicals he would have used normal weapons. He wanted to kill and his army did that for him. Many of these are now the insurgents who are 'only fighting for their freedom'.
Bit like a scientist who creates a weapon of mass destruction and then tells ''I didn't do anything''...

Come on! Where's the responsibility..?! If the west doesn't trust him, why provide chemicals.

[luciferhorus]

With regard to post #2, Iraq is not like some poor innocent country. It was not that long ago when it was the Iraqis using chemical weapons against Kurds. How do you know that those pics are not the result of Iraqi attacks on Kurds? Also, during the Iran-Iraq war chemical weapons were often used so there could be the chance that there could be inherited genetic flaws caused by chemcial weapons back then.


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Saddam also murdered a great many Iraqi Communists, some of whom were firstly brutally tortured and had their tongues torn out; opposition to Anglo-American state terrorism need not be confused with supporting Saddam, any more than the current position of the militant Left in general is to support militant resistance against the Christian narco-terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan should be confused with supporting Islam in general; it is merely an ad hoc solidarity similar to the American support for the Afghan resistance while they were fighting the Soviets.

Saddam's chemical and biological weapons came from America; Saddam after all was an American ally and a business partner with George Bush Sr. to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars; the ending of this financial relationship may well have been the reason for Saddam being later considered an enemy.

Saddam was an Anglo-European state terrorist ally whose military hardware was sourced from Europe and America; the 1980–88 war between Iraq and Iran was entirely initiated by Saddam, who invaded Iran and had no problem with using chemical weapons on the Iranians; some 100,000 Iranians were victims of Saddam's chemical weapons attacks which included 'mustard gas;' Saddam was very profitable for Western arms companies, of which Britain and America are the leading arm's manufacturers in the world; it was generally considered by the Capitalist establishment that Saddam was the good guy fighting the evil Iranians; though it must be said that Israel was selling the allegedly evil Iranians half a billion dollars of arms per year; financing both sides of a war is usually a popular Capitalist strategy.

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The Anglo-American state terrorists are already using nuclear weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan; their use of depleted uranium is known throughout the world; thus I doubt if your will find many militant enemies of the Anglo-Americans and their allies who would consider the use of nuclear weapons against the Christian homelands to be immoral; in war it is entirely acceptible to use the same weapons as your enemy, and if the enemy attacks your homelands, it is entirely acceptable to retaliate in the same way; I am sure that the defenders of Capitalism might point out that there is sure to be collateral casualties, but such arguments are not accepted by the Capitalists when the argument is turned against them, since the collateral damage of Muslim women and children is considered acceptible.

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There will be a terrible karmic reaction for all this blood shed by the Christian narco-terrorists in their quest for oil and opium; it is inevitable and it is simply too late for them to reverse the curse they have placed upon themselves and their kingdom of Capital; they have gone far past the point of no return, and any solution which might quell this curse would simply be too radical for them to accept.

Lux


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Russell S. Bowen, author of 'The Immaculate Deception: The Bush Crime Family Exposed (1991),' was a WW2 fighter pilot and is a retired US Brigadier General who has admitted that he was involved in major narcotics trafficking with the CIA and the OSS (Office of Security Services).

It is alleged in the evidence presented in case No 90 C 6863, 'The People of the State of Illinois ex rel Willis C. Harris vs the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve' that records for the Chicago branch of the BNL bank (Italy's largest bank) demonstrated that there were private transactions over a ten year period between 1980 to1990 involving $250 thousand million (billion) in oil money kickbacks which were 'personally' split between George Bush Sr and Saddam Hussein..

Consider this against the trifling sum of $180 million that George Jr., spent on his election campaign. George Jr spent the equivalent of one 2500th of that figure on his election. These documents were seen by the chairman of 'The House Banking Committee,' US congressman Henry Gonzalez (Democrat - Texas), for example, and consequently the Federal Reserve Board demanded that Gonzalez sign a secrecy oath and agree never to use the records in his reports. Gonzalez refused.

When Chicago journalist Sherman Skolnick put this matter before attorneys regarding the huge personal transactions between Bush and Saddam, the attorneys replied that he was 'absolutely correct' and explained that since Gonzalez had refused to sign a secrecy oath and had been talking about it, it was inevitable anyway that the truth of the matter would come out. Saddam and George were 'personally' receiving 25% of the money from oil sales as a 'kickback,' during a period where Bush was lobbying for billions of dollars of loans, aid and arms sales to Iraq, all of which represented a fraction of the sum that he was personally earning from his private business relationship with Saddam. Though the contents of these financial transactions have been admitted, today, Bush Sr. is still a free man and has yet to face trial for treason, fraud and narco-terrorism.

One law for the poor and one law for a man whose taxpayers are still writing off billions of dollars of loans to Saddam. George used his Oval office and CIA credentials to politically campaign for Saddam, while at the same time George shared a $250 billion war chest personally with Saddam.

It is a conflict of interest to have a person in the Oval office whose father is a known CIA narco-terrorist, traitor and thief involving one of the biggest frauds in human history, involving the largest ever sum of money known to be have been fraudulently gained by a head of state.

After all, even some of the richest African dictators are only worth a few billion. For example, the Third World debt of the poorest nations in the world is allegedly serviced by payments of an estimated $500 million per week, or approximately $25 billion per year. $250 billion is enough money to service this debt for 10 years, or perhaps to pay off the entire amount and still leave enough spare change to blow up the world.

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[dreamweaver]

Bit like a scientist who creates a weapon of mass destruction and then tells ''I didn't do anything''...

Come on! Where's the responsibility..?! If the west doesn't trust him, why provide chemicals.
I'm not sure the analogy really holds up. The scientists in the Manhattan project were told they were in a race against time to build an atomic weapon before the Nazis did.

As we know in hindsight, the Nazis weren't building one because Hitler didn't think it was feasible. But they did have rocketry - and the fear of being on the receiving end of a transatlantic nuclear-tipped rocket within a few years would no doubt have been a pretty strong motivating factor...

[flyermay]

The west but it was him who used them!!!!

A bio-chemical weapon is not like a simple knife, which can be used for cooking or for killing. That type of weapon has only one purpose: to kill as effectively as possible; so you cannot avoid responsibility when producing and selling them (like with knifes).

The US, by selling them, is as responsible as Saddam, for using them.

[scatlond]

The Duke of Kent is rhyming slang for gay. That must be sub liminal.

[meksar]

He is a shape-shifter and regularly holds and attends rituals in the royal alpha lodge at his estate Kensington Palace, he is basically the field marshal for his Cousins Elizardbeth and Philip. He is said to be the most active royal Freemason and hopefully their crime syndicate masquerading as charity and enlightenment will come to a end soon.

[luciferhorus]

I'm not sure the analogy really holds up. The scientists in the Manhattan project were told they were in a race against time to build an atomic weapon before the Nazis did.

As we know in hindsight, the Nazis weren't building one because Hitler didn't think it was feasible. But they did have rocketry - and the fear of being on the receiving end of a transatlantic nuclear-tipped rocket within a few years would no doubt have been a pretty strong motivating factor...

Yes hindsight is a type of wisdom based upon our knowledge of the past.

The Nazis continued to work on nuclear technology throughout World War two, but they simply did not contribute the same resources to it as the Americans.

Consider the following article:

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/22270

German military initelligence was entirely aware that the Americans were pouring a huge amount of resources into nuclear weapons research, which included the involvement of a long list of German scientists who had emigrated to America; it would be entirely surprising if the Nazis had not similarly sought to develop the same technology, and there is a clear paper trail of evidence to suggest that they did; however they simply did not dedicate the same level of resources to this quest as the Americans did.

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Currently we understand that the Anglo-American state terrorists are working on many secret military technologies and have armies of scientists dedicated to this task, and a vast hive of underground bases where this is carried out, unobserved by the masses.

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We may similarly speculate upon what the Christian state terrorists and their scientific intelligensia are up to, however the signs of this appear throughout the earth.

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They appear to forsee a future age where a 'soldier' is merely a person who, much like all of us here, sits in front of a computer screen, far from the cries of the victims of war, and who merely 'controls' a robotic tank or aircraft.

It is a very disturbing vision of the future.

Thus the enemies of the Christian state terrorists must similarly 'act' prior to the emergence of such new technologies, and since we do not have the same resources to throw at these future robotic military technologies, we must make do with current nuclear technologies.

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The secrets of physics are secrets no more.

Apocalyptic guerilla war must be evoked and invoked; there is a limited time; the kingdoms of Capital must be reduced to dust and once the surface is cleared, followed by the wars against the undergrounds; the beasts from below the earth must be encased in fire.

Lucifer.

No mercy on those who deserve none.
The 1000 Year Reich (Kingdom).

Echelon Keywords (Excuse me Oh fellow humans I am addressing a computer program): Terrorism, nuclear terrorism, nuclear jihad,Terrorism, nuclear terrorism, nuclear jihad,Terrorism, nuclear terrorism, nuclear jihad,Terrorism, Alhaam hu Akhbar! Alhaam hu Akhbar! Alhaam hu Akhbar!
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[lightgiver]

The west but it was him who used them!!!! can the west be blamed for acts that another person carried out? if he did not have the chemicals he would have used normal weapons. He wanted to kill and his army did that for him. Many of these are now the insurgents who are 'only fighting for their freedom'.

One thing is for sure anyone with a shred of decency would make sure these type of weapons are not sold and traded in the 1st place.

It beggars belief these type of weapons are made at all,just goes to show what type of individuals we are dealing with.

[meksar]

The west sold nuclear weapons to North Korea a communist country, in fact it was the Zionist devil Rumsfeld who did it. Now they have the nerve to turn around and accuse that country of being dangerous. All of the genocidal maniacs and murderous tyrants in the 3rd world have been installed by the west. People like Marpat seem to slag off people for telling it like it is and seems to take great pleasure in ridiculing David Icke at any given opportunity.

[luciferhorus]

The west sold nuclear weapons to North Korea a communist country, in fact it was the Zionist devil Rumsfeld who did it. Now they have the nerve to turn around and accuse that country of being dangerous. All of the genocidal maniacs and murderous tyrants in the 3rd world have been installed by the west. People like Marpat seem to slag off people for telling it like it is and seems to take great pleasure in ridiculing David Icke at any given opportunity.

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I cannot speak for Marpat but I think that he/she and I are merely concerned by the fact that Icke considers Crowley to be a malevolent influence on the present and future world; whereas Marpat and I are clearly fellow Thelemites, which is probably the most simple form of moral philosophy in all of human history and is the most easy to understand.

I consider Aleister to be an entirely benevolent influence on history, and I consider him a mentor in the most positive sense, despite his many faults, he is really the forefather of 21st century anti-Christianty, but I cannot suspend criticism of him; on the contrary; but then I might criticise a friendly philosopher or magickan / priestess and expect him / her to consider my criticisms, for I am a product of the combination of magick with 21st century Anarchism and Aleister was a product of the combination of magick with 20th century Capitalism; he and I were both economic elites of our age, and the kingdoms of the world were already our domian; we did not have to sell our souls to require that; the same is true for many here, for we are the all the spoiled children of the First World.

I do not ridicule Icke; I consider him also to be a contemporary anti-Christian, a brother who is part of the New Aeon, but who does not fully understand the Thelemic Law which (assuming I understand Marpat correctly), Marpat and I must insist upon, and are here to impose that in the most literal sense of the term 'evangelical' and 'fundamentalist.'

Comandante Lucifer
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Rex Baphomet; Grand Master of all all manner of blasphemy, heresy and numerous other pompous titles

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[meksar]

Crowley was a black magician who also worked as a spy for the British and Nazi establishments, he was a wicked and twisted man. What started off as youthful rebellion due to his fathers death turned into outright demonic possession. His idea was a literal hell on earth masked as a revolution, the "do as thou wilt" philosophy is the main agenda for bringing in the Luciferian cult as world religion. This man was an advocate of child sacrifice, beastiality and many other forms of satanic practices.

I consider Crowley to be there with the likes of Albert Pike and Giuseppe Mazzini, these were all occult demons who's sickening agenda is unfolding by the day. The Illuminati is basically the worship of Baphomet and invoking the spirit of Lucifer to posses his anointed one, this is coming within the next 3-6 years and we will have made another massive step towards it by the end of the year.

Religion of course has repressed a lot of natural emotions with its fear and guilt based aspects, i can fully understand that people have massive reservations over it. The religious institutions have always been set up just the secret societies with a outer circle, inner circle and inner core.

To cut a long story short religion is really "Do as i say, obey" and luciferianism is "do what you want to, there aint no rules its up to you". We need a degree of order in society to prevent people doing harm to each other, but we also need to let people choose their own path in life and not have to conform to something that is not for them.

[element]

One thing is for sure anyone with a shred of decency would make sure these type of weapons are not sold and traded in the 1st place.

It beggars belief these type of weapons are made at all,just goes to show what type of individuals we are dealing with.
Exactly LG.
Either they are only doing it in the name of money and economy, or they are indeed part of the same agenda. The former goes against the open agenda. The latter sounds more reasonable.

[flyermay]

Business 101

The issue is quite simple: while any country purchses weapons from the US everthing is fine. But when a country manufactures their own weapons, the US has a big problem in the form of a lost customer and new competitor, which needs to be taken out.

[marpat]

Bit like a scientist who creates a weapon of mass destruction and then tells ''I didn't do anything''...

Come on! Where's the responsibility..?! If the west doesn't trust him, why provide chemicals.

The responsibility lies with the owner. If a gunsmith legitimately sells somebody a gun and then they use that to murder people who is to blame?

The west provided weapons to any country to nations that were fighting pro-soviet nations. The reverse is also very true.

[marpat]

A bio-chemical weapon is not like a simple knife, which can be used for cooking or for killing. That type of weapon has only one purpose: to kill as effectively as possible; so you cannot avoid responsibility when producing and selling them (like with knifes).

The US, by selling them, is as responsible as Saddam, for using them.

Only because you want to believe that

[marpat]

One thing is for sure anyone with a shred of decency would make sure these type of weapons are not sold and traded in the 1st place.

It beggars belief these type of weapons are made at all,just goes to show what type of individuals we are dealing with.

You were in the ordinance corp werent you? didnt you handle weapons or ammunition containing dangerous substances?

[marpat]

Crowley was a black magician who also worked as a spy for the British and Nazi establishments, he was a wicked and twisted man. What started off as youthful rebellion due to his fathers death turned into outright demonic possession. His idea was a literal hell on earth masked as a revolution, the "do as thou wilt" philosophy is the main agenda for bringing in the Luciferian cult as world religion. This man was an advocate of child sacrifice, beastiality and many other forms of satanic practices.

I consider Crowley to be there with the likes of Albert Pike and Giuseppe Mazzini, these were all occult demons who's sickening agenda is unfolding by the day. The Illuminati is basically the worship of Baphomet and invoking the spirit of Lucifer to posses his anointed one, this is coming within the next 3-6 years and we will have made another massive step towards it by the end of the year.

Religion of course has repressed a lot of natural emotions with its fear and guilt based aspects, i can fully understand that people have massive reservations over it. The religious institutions have always been set up just the secret societies with a outer circle, inner circle and inner core.

To cut a long story short religion is really "Do as i say, obey" and luciferianism is "do what you want to, there aint no rules its up to you". We need a degree of order in society to prevent people doing harm to each other, but we also need to let people choose their own path in life and not have to conform to something that is not for them.

Yawn. Ignorance can be such an ugly thing. Did crowley ever say do what you want? dont you think 'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law' is more accurate? these phrases do not mean the same thing except to the blind. Maybe if you read up on the subject you might actually see where he was coming from rather than reaing a load of pro-christian paranoia.

Lucifer is the bringer of light. I think you may be confused with lucifuge.

[flyermay]

Only because you want to believe that

Then I should ask you: what's the problem with N. Korea selling their brand new nuclear stock?

Oh, I know Marpat, don't tell me; I know exactly how your double-morals work.

[marpat]

Then I should ask you: what's the problem with N. Korea selling their brand new nuclear stock?

Oh, I know Marpat, don't tell me; I know exactly how your double-morals work.

I would say the problem is the lack of international trust of those buying. Maybe the US considers themselves as responsible sellers whereas North Korea are not seen as taking any form of control of who they give the stuff to. Perhaps the difference is like that of comparing a pharmacist with a drug dealer, both will give you the drugs you want but only one is considered with any trust or of having any safeguards.

[meksar]

Yawn. Ignorance can be such an ugly thing. Did crowley ever say do what you want? dont you think 'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law' is more accurate? these phrases do not mean the same thing except to the blind. Maybe if you read up on the subject you might actually see where he was coming from rather than reaing a load of pro-christian paranoia.

Lucifer is the bringer of light. I think you may be confused with lucifuge.

Crowley was not a good man his perverse spirit has become lost since the acts he committed in his life lead to this. There was not one good thing he did, groups like the Beatles and Rolling Stones were used to gradually promote his filth onto youngsters. This is what needs to be taught and people who deny or play down his wickedness are like dogs who eat their own shit.

[flyermay]

I would say the problem is the lack of international trust of those buying. Maybe the US considers themselves as responsible sellers whereas North Korea are not seen as taking any form of control of who they give the stuff to. Perhaps the difference is like that of comparing a pharmacist with a drug dealer, both will give you the drugs you want but only one is considered with any trust or of having any safeguards.

You see, exactly what I meant: the famous western double-morals.

US selling weapons to Saddam = Responsible sellers + Trustworthy buyers

Come on man, if you are going to defend those bastards at least look for a good argument.

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by meksar

To cut a long story short religion is really "Do as i say, obey" and luciferianism is "do what you want to, there aint no rules its up to you". We need a degree of order in society to prevent people doing harm to each other, but we also need to let people choose their own path in life and not have to conform to something that is not for them..

There are too many points in your response to cover briefly and I have a few things to do today.

But simply and briefly.

Thelemic Law: An Anarchist Persective


Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."
—AL. I. 40.
"thou hast no right but to do thy will. Do that, and no
other shall say nay." —AL. I. 42–3.
"Every man and every woman is a star." —AL. I. 3.
There is no god but man.
..>..>
..> 1. Man has the right to live by his own law—to live in the way that he wills to do:to work as he will:to play as he will:to rest as he will:to die when and how he will.
2. Man has the right to eat what he will:to drink what he will:to dwell where he will:to move as he will on the face of the earth.
3. Man has the right to think what he will:to speak what he will:to write what he will:to draw, paint, carve, etch, mould, build as he will:to dress as he will.
4. Man has the right to love as he will:—"take your fill and will of love as ye will,when, where, and with whom ye will." —AL. I. 51.
5. Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights...>

"Love is the law, love under will." —AL. I. 57

Wiccanists also have a very similar mantra, 'Do what you will, but harm none;' of course this is entirely innappropriate for this current world ruled by evanglical militant Christian Capitalists, since apocalyptic wars and revolutions shall be required to eradicate such vermin, but it is a good mantra for an ideal world, but for the current world 5: Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights obviously applies.

Tyranny as anti-thelemic

Every tyrant, monarch and bully in human history has sought to 'do what they will;' this has nothing to do with thelemic law, since a tyrant seeks to interfere with will of others and to turn them into objects of the tyrant's will.

Thelemic Law could also be stated in this way: 'Do what thou wilt, but do not violate with will of any other person;' but again this is a mantra for an ideal world; clearly in this world the anti-thelmites with their millions of religious laws and tyrants with their police states will have to be militantly resisted.

Moral Law.

There are numerous religions of the world, all with a myriad of moral laws; thelemites and Anarchists (Anarchists are thelemites by default, irrespective of whether they use this term in self definition) reject all such moral laws and seek 'only' to follow their own true will which could be considered the natural and divine (godlike) will.

True Will and Sexuality

Animals live in accordance with their nature; if you place a group of monkeys in a cage, they will have orgiastic sex, they are not monogamous, they engage in same sex relationships; they masturbate themselves and each other in public, they do not wear clothes, all this they do without an iota of shame or guilt and it is entirely in their nature; they have not been hypnotised by what Neitzsche referred to as the 'morality of a slave,' which is essentially the morality of the priesthood of religion. However we humans have been given a list of 'do nots' by the religionists, all of which causes us 'not' to follow our true nature and which constitutes the 'sin of restriction;'
these are simply laws which produce an effective and miserable slave who can be more easily controlled.


<img src="http://www.luciferia.tv/animation/bible-verses.gif">

'The more powerful the state, the more numerous the laws.'

Political Law

The Anarchist Communist Kropotkin identified three basic categories of Laws.



1: Laws to protect the government.

Since statism (tyranny) is a militant ideology and the statists must eradicate all militant opposition, in defence of the victims of statism Anarchist Communism (anti-statist collectivism) must be and is a militant ideology. The definition of an Anarchist region is one where there all statists would have to be eradicated, thus there would be no need for laws to protect the tyrants and their mercenaries (their police state, military, tax collectors and assorted bureaucracy / useless eaters etc.).

2: Laws to protect private property.

Similarly with propertyism, one cannot be a propertyist unless one is militant and have mercenaries (police) to protect one's property. Since the masses will always in their hearts seek to disempower those who enslave them for the purposes of stealing their labour hours, leaving the labour slaves impoverished at the expense of a few, and since private propertyism is a militant ideology, the propertyists would have to be disposed of, thus there would be no need to have laws to protect them.

3: Laws to protect the individual from harm (Natural Law).

This is simply common sense. There is no need to create written laws to this extent. This is as it would have been in the mythical Garden of Eden.
Love is the Law, love under will, etc. For example in a world without religious, private property and statist laws, a mother will still demand ‘do not harm my children, do not enslave them, do not starve them, etc., etc., these are of course not objective laws, but never the less most mothers, unindoctrinated by religion and police statism would probably agree with them.

The Anarchist (against the Archons / authority figures) Kropotkin once stated that he would never challenge the ‘authority’ of an engineer, since was not an engineer; he did not have that type of expertise and would rather leave bridge building and construction to the trained experts; an engineer is an expert in a certain type of science, not an Archon (tyrant) who claims to be an expert in enslaving people and ruling over them or an expert in God or religious morality

Lux

[marpat]

Crowley was not a good man his perverse spirit has become lost since the acts he committed in his life lead to this. There was not one good thing he did, groups like the Beatles and Rolling Stones were used to gradually promote his filth onto youngsters. This is what needs to taught and people who deny or play down his wickedness are like dogs who eat their own shit.

Have you read any of his work? try starting with liber Oz

Even if Crowley had some odd habits and persuasions he did not say that anybody had to copy him or do what he did. His thelemic work focuses on people doing THEIR OWN will, not Crowleys. Pity you think that his faults mean that everything he wrote is wrong.

And I stand by what I say, you are ignorant.

[marpat]

You see, exactly what I meant: the famous western double-morals.

US selling weapons to Saddam = Responsible sellers + Trustworthy buyers

Come on man, if you are going to defend those bastards at least look for a good argument.

Never said that the US were trustworthy, just commenting on the surface picture. I think it is a case of the lesser of two evils. Next you will be telling me that the North Korean dictatorship is just mis-represented in the media.

Morals are just man made conceptions, a way for people to try and dictate one form of behaviour over another. The real force behind life just IS.

[lightgiver]

You were in the ordinance corp werent you? didnt you handle weapons or ammunition containing dangerous substances?

Yes I did handle DU in the 1st gulf war,and most likely breathed that evil shit in,that's what happens when you are young and naive,now I am a little older and a little wiser.

[lightgiver]

The responsibility lies with the owner. If a gunsmith legitimately sells somebody a gun and then they use that to murder people who is to blame?

The west provided weapons to any country to nations that were fighting pro-soviet nations. The reverse is also very true.

What if you sold the gun to a liar,one should get to the root of the problem.

[flyermay]

Never said that the US were trustworthy, just commenting on the surface picture. I think it is a case of the lesser of two evils. Next you will be telling me that the North Korean dictatorship is just mis-represented in the media.

Morals are just man made conceptions, a way for people to try and dictate one form of behaviour over another. The real force behind life just IS.

I agree, morals are man-made and they vary from person to person; but a very different thing is having various sets of morals to use at convenience.

I'm not going to saying that N. Koreans are angels, but neither is the US. And since the US and their allies are well equipped with nuclear weapons, it is inevitable that other countries are forced to take the same steps; especially when the US has the habit of invading sovereign nations.

[marpat]

What if you sold the gun to a liar,one should get to the root of the problem.

But that presumes they are going to use it for evil intent right from the start. Now if Saddam convinced the US that he was going to use it against a common enemy, such as Iran, then of course they would oblige. They then turn it against their own people once they have broken ties.

[marpat]

I agree, morals are man-made and they vary from person to person; but a very different thing is having various sets of morals to use at convenience.

I'm not going to saying that N. Koreans are angels, but neither is the US. And since the US and their allies are well equipped with nuclear weapons, it is inevitable that other countries are forced to take the same steps; especially when the US has the habit of invading sovereign nations.

Most countries have been invaders and invaded at various points in history. What is so different now? are the US any different to any other country in this respect?

[element]

The responsibility lies with the owner. If a gunsmith legitimately sells somebody a gun and then they use that to murder people who is to blame?

Makes no difference. Whatever you sell to someone else, think about what it's needed for.

Money has made people dull. Responsibility is not only with the one who buys it.

Maybe it's just me... =/

[marpat]

Makes no difference. Whatever you sell to someone else, think about what it's needed for.

Money has made people dull. Responsibility is not only with the one who buys it.

Maybe it's just me... =/

But that would involve trying to predict the future. That is not going to happen in reality.

[flyermay]

Most countries have been invaders and invaded at various points in history. What is so different now? are the US any different to any other country in this respect?

Yes, it is completely different, as they are the only western nation (supported by his allies) who are still involved in genocides and invasions, motivated by the economic expansion of their corrupt empire; while others had been hypocritically condemned and demonised (leaded by the Americans themselves) throughout history for the same reasons.

And the matter gets even worst, when the US is one of the richest countries in the world, and as such cannot justify their actions because of a real need, just simple greed.

[luciferhorus]

Yes I did handle DU in the 1st gulf war,and most likely breathed that evil shit in,that's what happens when you are young and naive,now I am a little older and a little wiser.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2023/1916305523_d176bdfeec.jpg?v=0
Beyond Treason - The Story of Depleted Uranium (Video 1 hour 28 minutes)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1322426070240371882&ei=uOEiSo_ML8Sd-Aazv8yaDA&q=us+veterans+gulf+war+syndrome+statistics&hl=en

William Lewis. Beyond Treason investigates causes of Gulf War Illness and continuing deaths of gulf war veterans. Beyond Treason outlines: - exposure to depleted uranium munitions used on the battlefield. - chemical and biological exposures. - experimental vaccines given. Statistics show that 250,000 troops are now permanently disabled, 15,000 troops are dead and over 425,000 are ill and slowly dying.

More videos on: http://www.thehalcyon.org/Kookaburra-Video/We-Will-Not-Be-Chipped-Information-Communication-Awareness.htm

There are a huge number of Internet sites on the effects of DU and Gulf War Syndrome.

Depleted Uranium, as you are no doubt aware, is essentially a 'dirty nuclear weapon' which scatters dust into the atmosphere and eventually onto the land. It has a half-life of 4.5 billion years and when inhaled in the lungs it has a half life of a year; it doesn't just go away.

Consider the statistics quoted above that 250,000 troops are now permanently disabled, and over 425,000 are ill and slowly dying. As I understand it only around 700,000 troops were involved in the Gulf War; if 650,000 are affected, that means 'all of them; it is a rather incredible statistic.

Britain and America are the top two arms dealers in the world; this is a multi-trillion dollar business. The Nicholas Cage film 'Lord of War,' although fiction is entirely based on the 'truth of this matter.' If a country is conisdered unworthy of being supplied by the US and American governments, the arms are simply shipped to Israel or a 'friendly' country and re-routed.

This multi billion dollar business is at the heart of the American and British Capitalism, particularly in Britain since we have a small population (1% of global population) and are the number two arm's manufacturer.

As long as there is a Capitalist motivation behind the arm's trade and people can become millionaires from their involvement, this problem will continue.

The DU issue is not merely an issue for the Iraqis and Afghans; it entirely shows that the Anglo-American state terrorists couldn't care less about theri own troops; they are expendible; this is generally also a problem on the Internet since most of the supporters of Capitalist revolution are simply 'armchair warriors;' they are quite happy to sacrifice the lives of others to preserve their status at the top of the Capitalist food chain.

Lux

[adbasque]

thanks for the sarcasm

The chords for I wish you were here

G/Em Em6
G/Em Em6

and then C/D/Am

:D just kidding
I love Pink Floyd

[watson_k]

In response to what you said there LH.

I redirect you here: http://www.thepowerhour.com/articles/du_effects.htm


Just a quote I'd like to point out:
We are well aware that the radiation fall-out map Under the Cloud: Decades of Nuclear Testing has demonstrated the effects of 1200 nuclear weapon tests conducted at the Nevada Test Site; and the US Government admitted in Nov. 2002, that every living person in the US between 1958-63 was exposed to this fall out resulting in cancer, gene mutation, heart disease, autism, diabetes, Parkinsons, ALS, asthma, chronic fatigue syndrome , hypothyroidism in new-borns, obesity and learning disabilities. One out of twelve children in the US is disabled. The fall out did not stop at the US borders. It travelled around the world, as atmospheric dust and remains even in the biosphere/ sub-orbital space today. High breast cancer rates have been co-located in the proximity of nuclear power plants in the west and more so in the east coast areas of the US (The Breast cancer map from The Enemy Within: the high cost of living near nuclear reactors, quotes US Govt. Disease Control Centers.

The Radiation & Public health Report (RPHP), rendered by a group of independent scientists collected 4000 baby teeth and by measuring Strontium 90 levels in the baby teeth ( a built in dosi-meter ) they have been able to co-relate with radiation related diseases in children living near the nuclear power plants; the main path ways being dairy products and drinking water.

The induction of DU weapons in 1991 in Iraq, the radio-active trash from nuclear plants broke a 46 year taboo. This Trojan Horse of nuclear war, an omnicidal weapon has since then continued to be used more and more. DU remains radioactive longer than the age of the earth ( estimated at 4.5 billion years. )

The long-term effects from over a decade of DU exposures are emerging in Southern Iraq. They are devastating. The increased quantities of radio-active material ( including non-depleted uranium), used in Afghanistan are 3 to 5 times greater than Iraq 199. In Iraq 2003 they are already estimated to be 6 to 10 times 1991 and will travel through a larger area and affect many more people, babies and unborn. Countries within a 1000 mile radius of Baghdad and Kabul are being affected by radiation poisoning , that includes the Capital, New Delhi, where the ruling elite lives. The reported coming of an AIDS epidemic last year in India , down wind, may have a relationship to DU bombing in Afghanistan. If we think cancer is a problem now wait until more DU is released in wars against terror and for regime change, on mistaken Intelligence reports.

More than 500 tons of DU munitions have been dispensed in Afghanistan. Professor Yagasaki calculated that 800 tons of DU is the atomicity equivalent to 83,000 Nagasaki bombs in a paper presented at the World Uranium Weapons Conference in Hamburg in October 2003 ( 5 months ago ). The amount of DU used in Iraq in 2003 is equivalent to nearly 250,000 Nagasaki bombs ( Busby and Leuren Moret have calculated that 1900 tons of DU is equivalent to 60 TBq of Alfa and Beta particulate activity).

[adbasque]

can anyone tell me more about the duke of kent and how important he is and what he's up to. I have read a little mason stuff but need pointing in the right direction, ta

Prince Philip is a known eugenics, racist, member of the illuminati, if not the head of the illuminati.

[adbasque]

Yes, it is completely different, as they are the only western nation (supported by his allies) who are still involved in genocides and invasions, motivated by the economic expansion of their corrupt empire; while others had been hypocritically condemned and demonised (leaded by the Americans themselves) throughout history for the same reasons.

And the matter gets even worst, when the US is one of the richest countries in the world, and as such cannot justify their actions because of a real need, just simple greed.

Hold on a sec, in the modern times perhaps, but the only country that has not been invaded, it's not the US, it's the UK.

We invaded almost every country and every continent on this planet and nobody invaded us, a small country like us? humm there are a lot of questions need to be answered.

That's why I believe the head of the Illuminatis are British Royal Family with their cousins across Europe and some parts of the world.

[luciferhorus]

Prince Philip is a known eugenics, racist, member of the illuminati, if not the head of the illuminati.

Masters of War

Since this thread is about the aristocrat who is the UGLE Masonic Grand Master, I must point out and restate that his rank in the Queen's (his cousin) army is Field Marshal, which outranks 'General' irrespective of the stars on his shoulders, 5 star general in the US, etc.


Field Marshal is the highest military rank of the United Kingdom, equivalent to a General of the Army in other countries such as the United States. It ranks immediately above the rank of General and is the Army equivalent to an Admiral of the Fleet and Marshal of the Royal Air Force.

The rank insignia of a Field Marshal in the British Army comprises two crossed batons on a wreath, with a crown above. In some other countries, historically under the sphere of British influence, an adapted version of the insignia is used for Field Marshals, often with the crown being replaced with an alternative cultural or national emblem.

The rank of Field Marshal is the only rank in the British Army where the individual never officially retires, as the rank is conferred for life.

Although traditionally, the British monarch is a Field Marshal, HM The Queen does not take enjoyment of this honorary rank. TRHs The Duke of Edinburgh and The Duke of Kent are two of the few remaining Field Marshals in the British Army..


So the Grand Master is not only the 'Master of Masonry' but also the supreme master of war who outranks all other Q.C's (Queen's commissioned officers), generals, whatever.

This should be taken into account when debating with Masons and their defenders here, since the vast majority of us here do not refer to anyone as 'Worshipful Master;' we need to bear in mind who their 'masters' are and the consequences of their wars.

We get the American saint, Amy Goodman's 'Democracy Now' over here in the UK every day on edgemediatv.com which is channel 200 on Murdoch's 'Sky,' and shows David Icke and Alex Jones videos. I was watching her news report a couple of days ago and for about an hour it was the testimonies of young Iraq veterans who were complaining of the situation in Iraq. Essentially the officers stay in their concrete bunkers; in their car parks are shiny polished bullet proof Humvees which they rarely ever use, while the 'troops' drive around in vehicles whose steel skin is easily penetrated by bullets like a knife through butter.

This situation occurred in WW1 where the British officers lived many miles behind enemy lines in expensive hotels with the finest champagne, the finest linen and the finest French prostitutes, while the 'troops' lived in their freezing rat infested water laden bunkers, constantly under fire.

This situation is re-occurring today, and many of those who support the current Anglo-American State Terrorist / narco-terrorist revolution are similarly far from the enemy lines, hidden behind a computer screen, and totally surrounded by capitalist supermarkets and brothels with all the produce of the Third and First world on their shelves at their disposal.


Lux
Prince of blasphemy and heresy.

[watson_k]

Hold on a sec, in the modern times perhaps, but the only country that has not been invaded, it's not the US, it's the UK.

We invaded almost every country and every continent on this planet and nobody invaded us, a small country like us? humm there are a lot of questions need to be answered.

That's why I believe the head of the Illuminatis are British Royal Family with their cousins across Europe and some parts of the world.

Would you really expect the heads of the Illuminati to be so up front? Usually the 'head behind the throne' is the adviser.

'Lord' Mandelson seems more suspect in my honest opinion. But then I really don't like this guy :) ...He's even called Lord Voldemort.

[adbasque]

Would you really expect the heads of the Illuminati to be so up front? Usually the 'head behind the throne' is the adviser.

'Lord' Mandelson seems more suspect in my honest opinion. But then I really don't like this guy :) ...He's even called Lord Voldemort.

I honestly believe that the Royal Family are the head, but you can't touch them, they seem or look vulnerable sometimes, but in reality you can't touch them.

VoldeMort if you translate it to English it means = Flight of death
I doubt Mandelson being the head of the illuminati, I believe he is one of the bigger puppets just like Tony Blair, and so on..

[watson_k]

I honestly believe that the Royal Family are the head, but you can't touch them, they seem or look vulnerable sometimes, but in reality you can't touch them.

VoldeMort if you translate it to English it means = Flight of death
I doubt Mandelson being the head of the illuminati, I believe he is one of the bigger puppets just like Tony Blair, and so on..

Well mate if it is the Royal Family, one thing we can be sure of, the future head is William. You're most likely right about Mandleson. Shouldn't let hate cloud my judgement, huh?

[lightgiver]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2023/1916305523_d176bdfeec.jpg?v=0
Beyond Treason - The Story of Depleted Uranium (Video 1 hour 28 minutes)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1322426070240371882&ei=uOEiSo_ML8Sd-Aazv8yaDA&q=us+veterans+gulf+war+syndrome+statistics&hl=en

William Lewis. Beyond Treason investigates causes of Gulf War Illness and continuing deaths of gulf war veterans. Beyond Treason outlines: - exposure to depleted uranium munitions used on the battlefield. - chemical and biological exposures. - experimental vaccines given. Statistics show that 250,000 troops are now permanently disabled, 15,000 troops are dead and over 425,000 are ill and slowly dying.

More videos on: http://www.thehalcyon.org/Kookaburra-Video/We-Will-Not-Be-Chipped-Information-Communication-Awareness.htm

There are a huge number of Internet sites on the effects of DU and Gulf War Syndrome.

Depleted Uranium, as you are no doubt aware, is essentially a 'dirty nuclear weapon' which scatters dust into the atmosphere and eventually onto the land. It has a half-life of 4.5 billion years and when inhaled in the lungs it has a half life of a year; it doesn't just go away.

Consider the statistics quoted above that 250,000 troops are now permanently disabled, and over 425,000 are ill and slowly dying. As I understand it only around 700,000 troops were involved in the Gulf War; if 650,000 are affected, that means 'all of them; it is a rather incredible statistic.

Britain and America are the top two arms dealers in the world; this is a multi-trillion dollar business. The Nicholas Cage film 'Lord of War,' although fiction is entirely based on the 'truth of this matter.' If a country is conisdered unworthy of being supplied by the US and American governments, the arms are simply shipped to Israel or a 'friendly' country and re-routed.

This multi billion dollar business is at the heart of the American and British Capitalism, particularly in Britain since we have a small population (1% of global population) and are the number two arm's manufacturer.

As long as there is a Capitalist motivation behind the arm's trade and people can become millionaires from their involvement, this problem will continue.

The DU issue is not merely an issue for the Iraqis and Afghans; it entirely shows that the Anglo-American state terrorists couldn't care less about theri own troops; they are expendible; this is generally also a problem on the Internet since most of the supporters of Capitalist revolution are simply 'armchair warriors;' they are quite happy to sacrifice the lives of others to preserve their status at the top of the Capitalist food chain.

Lux

Cheers for that LH,

I agree,

Also I am aware of GWS,and yes there as been a cover up and still is,as TPTB are still using it(DU):(:mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d0d6qgsvTw

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome

I wonder if the Duke of Kent took his Jabs.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-475226309740846580

Interesting words by JFK at the start of this video.

[adbasque]

Well mate if it is the Royal Family, one thing we can be sure of, the future head is William. You're most likely right about Mandleson. Shouldn't let hate cloud my judgement, huh?

Well who ever it might be, we need to be on our guards, keep an eye at all time, sleep with one eye open

And not to trust anything they propose or suggest, you know that everything they suggest is for their own good Never ever for us

[adbasque]

You're most likely right about Mandleson. Shouldn't let hate cloud my judgement, huh?

Sorry I don't understand the meaning of this?
could you please be more specific? cheers! :)

[flyermay]

Hold on a sec, in the modern times perhaps, but the only country that has not been invaded, it's not the US, it's the UK.

We invaded almost every country and every continent on this planet and nobody invaded us, a small country like us? humm there are a lot of questions need to be answered.

That's why I believe the head of the Illuminatis are British Royal Family with their cousins across Europe and some parts of the world.

You're right, reason why I added "their allies" after the US; which includes the UK at the top of the list.

Either way, and continuing with your line of thought, it is understandable that the US should be the head of all military operations, as in the illuminati’s world domination triangle the city of Washington provides the military power; while the city of London takes care of the finances and the Vatican city of the "spiritually".

But I'm sure there is someone above controlling all three, and even various factions fighting for total control.

[watson_k]

Sorry I don't understand the meaning of this?
could you please be more specific? cheers! :)

I mean that the sort of hate I have for this guy would make me think he was the head of the Illuminati or just basically an Evil guy altogether, but I don't really know him so I can't make that statement.

[adbasque]

I mean that the sort of hate I have for this guy would make me think he was the head of the Illuminati or just basically an Evil guy altogether, but I don't really know him so I can't make that statement.

Oh I see, well two things here
We can hate it's a human natural feeling, but when you think about it, is it going to change anything if you hate him or not?

The other thing, you can always hate what he does, but not as a human being
Hate his acts not his existence.
As you said unless we know everything about him, we can't make a proper judgement, for instance, is he being evil willingly?
has he been a victim of a brainwashing programme?
it's hard to answer all of these questions
so hate what he does to be on the safe side

That's how I see it anyway.

[luciferhorus]

Cheers for that LH,




Love conquers all; love transcends Death and Hell; love is the highest law.

I am just sending you some love LG.

All my love to you, brother, despite the fact that you hate me

Lucifer

[flyermay]

For those of you who naively think that the US has any interest in world peace, freedom and democracy -understandable to a certain extent, given the amount of propaganda that you were fed during your whole live- please watch this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8562860981340825213

And if you were able to reach then end of the video, and still think that the US is not the world's worst enemy and a real threat to global peace and each and every human being, then you are simply... (Well, please read Cooper's quote below and reach your own conclusions).

[adbasque]

For those of you who naively think that the US has any interest in world peace, freedom and democracy -understandable to a certain extent, given the amount of propaganda that you were fed during your whole live- please watch this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8562860981340825213

And if you were able to reach then end of the video, and still think that the US is not the world's worst enemy and a real threat to global peace and each and every human being, then you are simply... (Well, please read Cooper's quote below and reach your own conclusions).

Are you talking about Bill Cooper who was assassinated in his house in 2001?

Just after the 9/11

Yes America has been hijacked for years and years, it's only now that people are realising that the rug was pulled under their feet.

Yes America is now ran by foreign bankers

[flyermay]

Are you talking about Bill Cooper who was assassinated in his house in 2001?

Just after the 9/11

Yes America has been hijacked for years and years, it's only now that people are realising that the rug was pulled under their feet.

Yes America is now ran by foreign bankers

You're dam right I was talking about the assassinated, and true American patriot, Milton William Cooper. Unfortunately, no one listened to him and others who've been advising the world for so many years.

Of course, for the average American, it was Cooper's word against this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8383084962209910782

This video has also no waste. If you are American, and are not too affraid to find out the way you've been brainwashed, please watch the video. Otherwise, you always have Cooper's quote...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=2727

[adbasque]

You're dam right I was talking about the assassinated, and true American patriot, Milton William Cooper. Unfortunately, no one listened to him and others who've been advising the world for so many years.

Of course, for the average American, it was Cooper's word against this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8383084962209910782

This video has also no waste. If you are American, and are not too affraid to find out the way you've been brainwashed, please watch the video. Otherwise, you always have Cooper's quote...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=2727

I have listened to Bill about 3 months before his death, and he knew it was coming
Very brave man RIP
I think you're wrong a lot of people listened to him. I am British but it doesn't matter, he wasn't talking just to the Americans, he was warning since the 70s maybe earlier than that.

[flyermay]

I think you're wrong a lot of people listened to him. I am British but it doesn't matter, he wasn't talking just to the Americans, he was warning since the 70s maybe earlier than that.

I'm in the UK too at the moment.

I know many people listened to him. He was one of the pioneers along Anthony J. Hilder and Jordan Maxwell. But even though he had a bigger audience, it was just almost an insignificant part of America and a infinitesimal part of the world; unfortunately.

[lightgiver]

Love conquers all; love transcends Death and Hell; love is the highest law.

I am just sending you some love LG.

All my love to you, brother, despite the fact that you hate me

Lucifer

I hate no one :p you should know that by now;)

Conquer the angry man by love.
Conquer the ill-natured man by goodness.
Conquer the miser with generosity.
Conquer the liar with truth.
The Dhammapada

[adbasque]

I'm in the UK too at the moment.

I know many people listened to him. He was one of the pioneers along Anthony J. Hilder and Jordan Maxwell. But even though he had a bigger audience, it was just almost an insignificant part of America and a infinitesimal part of the world; unfortunately.

Well to be honest for the last 20 plus years, very few people even heard of B cooper, Jim Tucker, etc..

David Icke and Alex Jones very few people heard about them until the last 5 years if that.

It's ok, it means we've come a long way, there's still hope, so long as we don't run out of time.

Bill before he left the CIA he started warning people of the corruption, but then he gave up for a short while, then he came back, maybe he shouldn't have to stop at all, and expose as many as possible back then.

But at least he died for a very good cause, and something he believed in, yes I agree that most people didn't take him seriously until 9/11 happened, he predicted it, he had inside information.

He did predict it before Alex Jones and David Icke did

[flyermay]

Well to be honest for the last 20 plus years, very few people even heard of B cooper, Jim Tucker, etc..

David Icke and Alex Jones very few people heard about them until the last 5 years if that.

It's ok, it means we've come a long way, there's still hope, so long as we don't run out of time.

Bill before he left the CIA he started warning people of the corruption, but then he gave up for a short while, then he came back, maybe he shouldn't have to stop at all, and expose as many as possible back then.

But at least he died for a very good cause, and something he believed in, yes I agree that most people didn't take him seriously until 9/11 happened, he predicted it, he had inside information.

He did predict it before Alex Jones and David Icke did

I have to be honest too, I'm from a non-English speaking country, so the first time I heard of any of them was just 5 years ago. And even at that time, due to the unfair image portrayed by British media, I thought Icke was just a loony until last year (how wrong I was back then for simply judging without knowing the whole story).

Either way, and even without knowing any of those great researches, in my country many people grow up knowing exactly what the whole system is all about and how we are manipulated and abused by the media and our own governments. We tend to be far more critical and untrusting of our government and leaders; probably due to previous bad experiences.

But I was gladly surprised to find out here that there are so many good people dedicating their lives to awake others. Petty that most of the population simply chose to ignore the facts.

[meksar]

He is mentioned briefly here at 1:22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5R7jviXKcI&feature=PlayList&p=1CA188DDABBD5E55&index=5

[luciferhorus]

Either way, and even without knowing any of those great researches, in my country many people grow up knowing exactly what the whole system is all about and how we are manipulated and abused by the media and our own governments. We tend to be far more critical and untrusting of our government and leaders; probably due to previous bad experiences..

Since Spain had a fascist government until 1978 and was ruled by Franco for almost 30 years, I think it entirely understandable that the Spanish people are somewhat more politicalised, however the proletariate over here in the UK and also in the US are very much hypnotised by 'Nationalist' propaganda; many of them still think we are the 'good guys' who fought the Nazis, and have been brought up on a staple diet of WW2 films; they are mostly unaware that the Nazis were financied by Wall St., and that their real enemies are their own government; the Internet is doing a lot to change this however, particularly among the younger generation.


But I was gladly surprised to find out here that there are so many good people dedicating their lives to awake others. Petty that most of the population simply chose to ignore the facts.

I think as David Icke often says, if you can wake up one person, they usually know about 100 other people who in turn know about 10,000 people and so forth; the process of education takes time, however we probably have a very 'limited' time before the outbreak of either nuclear war against us, or more false flag scenarios by our own military which may result in martial law.

Frankly I don't forsee the British and American proletariat rising up against their own police and military without some form of apocalyptic scenario such as the outbreak of nuclear war and the emptying of the supermarkets of Capitalism.

LL

Lux

[adbasque]

I have to be honest too, I'm from a non-English speaking country, so the first time I heard of any of them was just 5 years ago. And even at that time, due to the unfair image portrayed by British media, I thought Icke was just a loony until last year (how wrong I was back then for simply judging without knowing the whole story).

Either way, and even without knowing any of those great researches, in my country many people grow up knowing exactly what the whole system is all about and how we are manipulated and abused by the media and our own governments. We tend to be far more critical and untrusting of our government and leaders; probably due to previous bad experiences.

But I was gladly surprised to find out here that there are so many good people dedicating their lives to awake others. Petty that most of the population simply chose to ignore the facts.

I have lived in most middle eastern countries, north african countries, they helped me to open my eyes to the whole conspiracy way before a lot of people here in the west even suspected anything wrong.

As you said, because they lived under corrupt regimes they had to think why is it happening to them and not elsewhere, and then they realised, it was global, 80% of thos people are aware, I even had convesations with kids they know what's going on.

They mature a lot quicker than here in the west.

I have seen it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears, 99% of the population is critical of their leaders, in some countries I mentioned they were critical opnely some others with fear of disppearing from the surface of the earth.

You're absolutely right and I believe you, I was young when I went to live abroad, so I had the time and the chance to meet wonderful and warm people, despite the difficulties they were still warm and kind.

Things we here in the west took for granted for decades over there they cherish them.

[adbasque]

On other thing
We call them the third world, how arrogant is that?
Not even second world, but third world, sending a message here in the west, those people are like animals, we are far more advanced than they are, to give the impression that those people are as good as a cattle.

They divided the world in two sections with a huge gap in between, the reason why they weren't "developed" is because they corrupted their government to stop any development from taking place, turning them into consumers at exorbitant prices.

They put ruthless leaders in those countries, they don't just put you in jail, they make you disappear and sometimes your family too.

Just like in Zimbabwe, and many African countries, middle eastern countries, south Asia, Actually almost all Asian countries with exception of those countries under another regime, communism,

Churchill and his friends have a lot to answer for

[flyermay]

On other thing
We call them the third world, how arrogant is that?
Not even second world, but third world, sending a message here in the west, those people are like animals, we are far more advanced than they are, to give the impression that those people are as good as a cattle.

They divided the world in two sections with a huge gap in between, the reason why they weren't "developed" is because they corrupted their government to stop any development from taking place, turning them into consumers at exorbitant prices.

They put ruthless leaders in those countries, they don't just put you in jail, they make you disappear and sometimes your family too.

Just like in Zimbabwe, and many African countries, middle eastern countries, south Asia, Actually almost all Asian countries with exception of those countries under another regime, communism,

Churchill and his friends have a lot to answer for

I would recommend you to watch this video, if you haven't done so. It shows the full impact of western foreign policies in so called third world countries:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8562860981340825213

[hugolast]

what does the good old duke do on a day to day basis then, open a hospital ward then go put a load of people in hospital, sounds like hard work he deserves a medal!

[flyermay]

Since Spain had a fascist government until 1978 and was ruled by Franco for almost 30 years, I think it entirely understandable that the Spanish people are somewhat more politicalised, however the proletariate over here in the UK and also in the US are very much hypnotised by 'Nationalist' propaganda; many of them still think we are the 'good guys' who fought the Nazis, and have been brought up on a staple diet of WW2 films; they are mostly unaware that the Nazis were financied by Wall St., and that their real enemies are their own government; the Internet is doing a lot to change this however, particularly among the younger generation.

…

Frankly I don't forsee the British and American proletariat rising up against their own police and military without some form of apocalyptic scenario such as the outbreak of nuclear war and the emptying of the supermarkets of Capitalism.

When I first arrived to the UK I was quite shocked by the extent of nationalism in the British population; apparently, only matched by the US in the western world. In my country nationalism is commonly associated with fascism; as there is no doubt that the first forms the basis for the second, and has been always embraced and exploited throughout history by the far right.

About being more politicised, that indeed has always been the case. Unfortunately, we are also following the US model and the new generations are simply hypnotised into acceptance or even are completely apolitical. However, I have to admit that there is a huge difference between the population of the US/UK and the Spanish. In the US/UK people are far more rebellious and less complacent. But on the other hand, in Spain we are far more aware and critical about the system, our government and our leaders. Unfortunately, both qualities are essential to have any effect –as there is no point on being rebellious without being aware, or being aware without being rebellious-; reason why things never change in either place.

[adbasque]

I would recommend you to watch this video, if you haven't done so. It shows the full impact of western foreign policies in so called third world countries:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8562860981340825213

Yes I have seen that on Sky one a while back
He did one on the Illuminati, and one on the CIA, with Lybian " About the Pan Am flight 103 in in Dec 1988 or 89 in Lockerbie can't remember I believe it was 1988

I have seen that programme a while back
Thanks all the same :)

[flyermay]

Yes I have seen that on Sky one a while back
He did one on the Illuminati, and one on the CIA, with Lybian " About the Pan Am flight 103 in in Dec 1988 or 89 in Lockerbie can't remember I believe it was 1988

I have seen that programme a while back
Thanks all the same :)

Oh, yes, I think I saw the one on the illuminati also. Was it the one where he starts in Texas with Alex Jones and ends up in the UK paying a guy that was going to take him to an illuminati, and instead ran with the money?

I thought that one was quite bad, I saw it years ago and I thought he was actually having a laugh about the whole subject.

[adbasque]

Oh, yes, I think I saw the one on the illuminati also. Was it the one where he starts in Texas with Alex Jones and ends up in the UK paying a guy that was going to take him to an illuminati, and instead ran with the money?

I thought that one was quite bad, I saw it years ago and I thought he was actually having a laugh about the whole subject.

That was the one yes :)

And I used to live in that Town (Ware) Herts

Ironically lol

[flyermay]

About being more politicised, that indeed has always been the case. Unfortunately, we are also following the US model and the new generations are simply hypnotised into acceptance or even are completely apolitical. However, I have to admit that there is a huge difference between the population of the US/UK and the Spanish. In the US/UK people are far more rebellious and less complacent. But on the other hand, in Spain we are far more aware and critical about the system, our government and our leaders. Unfortunately, both qualities are essential to have any effect –as there is no point on being rebellious without being aware, or being aware without being rebellious-; reason why things never change in either place.

I have to point out that I'm not counting Euskadi or the Basques in the lot; as they are not Spanish, and they actually meet both requirements (petty their land is full of colonists by now).

[lightgiver]

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Above the Grand Master; the Duke of Kent. a/k/a Prince Edward (Edward George Nicholas Patrick Paul)

Field Marshal His Royal Highness Prince Edward George Nicholas Patrick, Duke of Kent, Earl of Saint Andrews, Baron Downpatrick, Royal Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Knight Grand Cross of the Most Distinguished Order of Saint Michael and Saint George, Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order, Aide-de-Camp to Her Majesty, Grand Master of the United Grand Lodge of England and First Grand Principal of the Supreme Grand Chapter of Royal Arch Masons of England, President of The Scout Association?

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The Fieldmarshall is currently engaged in World Capitalist Revolution, the current genocide of all militant enemies in Iraq and Afghanistian and general mayhem on behalf of his cousin the Christian Monarch Elizabeth, her kingdom and her Church.

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By Mohammed Daud Miraki, MA, MA, PhD

April 29, 2006


Original Title
Death Made in America, Wondering if your conscience is stil anesthetized.

URANIUM MUNITIONS

Due to the use of massive amount of uranium munitions used by the US forces in the initial bombing and subsequently, massive amount of congenital deformities occur all over Afghanistan. The rate of various cancers has gone up significantly. Leukemia and esophageal cancers are very high among children. According to doctors at maternity and children hospitals in Kabul, the rate of various congenital deformities have increased by many folds since the US invasion. In fact, the magnitude of man made isotopes was established by the Uranium Medical Research Center after their investigators made to trips to Afghanistan and collected urine and soil samples. They established that the rate of man made isotopes was gone up 2000 times in some subjects located near the bombed areas.

Since uranium used in the weapons have a half-life of 4.5 billion years, the US forces ensured that generations of Afghans suffer from cancers and deformities. This is certainly not development. In fact, it is the biggest crime ever committed by anyone in the history of humanity.

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Rape and Murder by the US forces

In the Bagrami area of Kabul, the US forces assaulted a small enclave of nomads. The US forces flew over this enclave and saw nomad women near their tents. They landed their helicopter and kidnapped these women by gunpoint. Subsequently, the US soldiers flew away with these women to some location, where these women are gang-raped. After these women were raped and died in the process, the soldiers flew them back to the community from where they were kidnapped. However, this time the helicopter did not land, instead, the women were thrown down from the helicopter. This is not unique for the US forces since they committed similar crimes in Vietnam. American forces are too much of cowards to have landed because they knew they would be shot in revenge.

Another incident occurred when a US helicopter spotted an old shepherd grazing his animals. The shepherd was 70 years old but this did not appear to matter to the US forces. The helicopter landed and raped the old man. His relatives told me that on the one hand we are furious about the crime committed by these beasts, but on the other hand we are curious "what kind of rotten people Americans are."

In another incident, a truck driver was driving his truck north from the Kabul, passing the US base in Bagram when the US patrol stopped him. In the passenger seat of the truck a young boy was sitting. This young man wanted to learn driving a truck, but tragically for him, the Americans noticed him and asked him to step out. The young man stepped out and the soldiers took him away from the truck and gang raped him. When the boy returned to the truck, he was crying and furious. Later that day, he committed suicide. This is another gift of the US's democracy.

In the American military base Bagram, north of Kabul, 15 translators while working for the US forces were gang raped by the very forces for which they worked. Although I have no sympathy for those that work for the US forces, however, no one should be subjected to such extreme cruelty. One of the translators said,

"Around 25 to 30 American soldiers enter the area where we were sleeping and started raping us. I was conscious until to the third soldier started raping me and then lost consciousness." (Hamid-translator for the US forces, June 2005)

In Badakhshan province, the US soldiers had taken forty (40) women and extracted their teeth for oral sex. One member of the parliament, who is a close supporter of Karzai, said:

"The issue of these women treated in such a miserable way was about to get some publicity, however, the US officials made sure that this does not happen." (Parliament member--I can not reveal his name)

In another incident, the US forces were searching local houses between JalaAbad and Kabul, when they entered and tried to search the house, they came across the woman of the house, since she was very beautiful, the soldiers decided to take her to the US base. The husband was not at home. When he returned from Peshawar, he went to get his wife. He told his wife,

"To me you are now my mother and sister, I can not touch you any more, but tell me if they have violated your dignity? 'They raped me by force, I was conscious for the first three men, then lost consciousness'." (The husband whose name I can not reveal his name. He joined Taliban afterward and I do not blame him.)

A young man committed suicide in the Laic-e-Mariam in KairKhana area after the Americans in an NGO raped his sister.

These are some of the very few examples of the many crimes committed by the US forces in Afghanistan, but unfortunately, the coward officials of the puppet regime call it reconstruction. To add insult to injury, the two American soldiers, who murdered two detainees at Bagram airbase, received only 2 and 3 months in jail for crime ruled homicide by the US medical examiners. The two detainees were beaten at their legs while hanging from the ceiling until their legs "pulverized". The term "pulverized" was used by the medical examiner to articulate the magnitude of the fatal injury and the inhumane way of murdering. When one of the victims asked for water, the soldier poured water over his face; subsequently, the poor man died. This is American reconstruction of Afghanistan.


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