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danceswithbunnies

25-05-2009, 05:46 PM

Response to the logical fallacy of "he wasn't a real christian"..

posted for educational entertainment purposes....

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“He Wasn’t A REAL Christian”

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So oft times when we Freethinkers point out to a Fundy yet another Christian televangelist caught with his pants down, or another pile of Christian corpses having killed themselves for some obscure theological reason, or yet more Catholic priests turd-burgling little boys, we are met with uncomprehending stares. They tell us they don’t understand what that televangelist or this latest pile of carnage or those priests have to do with their religion. The dreaded Christian blank-face look appears, a "force field" is thrown up around their brain, and out comes the knee-jerk photon torpedo response they've been trained to parrot: "Those people messed up? Well then, those people must not have been real Christians in the first place!"

Is 100% compliance to all the laws and rules of The United States a requirement to maintaining one's citizenship here? Of course not. People such as the Rev. Jimmy Swaggart break the law when they pick up hookers in Indio, California (October 11, 1991) but no one doubts their citizenship because of that. Likewise, is 100% compliance to all the rules and regulations of "The Kingdom of Heaven" a requirement to retaining one's citizenship in "The Kingdom of Heaven"? Of course not. The Rev. Jimmy Swaggart was a REAL Christian before, during, and even after, the prostitute incident, and if he was screaming "Praise Jesus!!!" as he climaxed in his white Jaguar, so what?

It makes me wonder whatever happened to the Christian bumper sticker "Christians Aren't Perfect, Just Forgiven". For what these Fundies really mean, when you translate it, is that Christians are indeed perfect, for if and when any show signs that they weren't perfect, well then, they weren't Christians to start with, because Christians are perfect and CAN'T mess up. And round and round the "logic" goes. Of course, seeing how their "logical conclusion" requires perfect and sinless Christians, and seeing how their own Bible admits there are no such creatures (1 John 1:8-10) the only real logical conclusion to be drawn is that "real" Christians don't exist- never did, never will. So next time a Fundy pulls the "he wasn't a REAL Christian" excuse on you, hit him over the head with THAT bit of information, and then ask HIM for his OFFICIAL membership card that proves he himself is what he says others aren't.

Imagine the following short conversation:

Christian: "He wasn't a real Christian."

Skeptic: "And YOU are? Prove it!"

Dear Christian friends: since you can't even prove that you yourself are a "real" Christian, how the hell can you prove someone else, usually a total stranger thousands of miles away, isn't? And on top of that, I ask you: who set you up as the official judge & jury over all the other Christians in the world, to determine who is or isn't or was or wasn't a "real" Christian? Who the hell are you to be the judge? Do you have magical powers to look inside the hearts of strangers, of people you have never even met? Who are you to usurp the role of Biblegod as judge of all mankind? Did he hire you to commence and run Judgment Day a little early, that you are now the official spokesman for Biblegod to tell the rest of the world who are and aren't the "real" Christians? Have you been authorized to set up your own private "Judgment Day" to stamp "saved" or "unsaved" upon the "souls" of the living and those who've been dead for centuries? What ever happened to the following verses- they no longer apply to YOU???

Matthew 7:1} Judge not, that you be not judged.

Luke 12:14} But he said to him, "Man, who made me a judge or divider over you?"
Romans 2:1} Therefore you have no excuse, O man, whoever you are, when you judge another; for in passing judgment upon him you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, are doing the very same things.
Romans 2:3} Do you suppose, O man, that when you judge those who do such things and yet do them yourself, you will escape the judgment of God?

James 4:12} There is one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you that you judge your neighbor?

Like James said, who are you, that you judge your neighbor to be or not to be a "real" Christian? You who are in a church don't even know if someone else in even your same church is or is not a "real" Christian, so how can you judge someone you've never even met? Who set you up to judge all Christians far and near who are less than perfect (as if you yourself aren't), condemning all to "hell" with your flippant

“Well, they must not have been REAL Christians to start with, for real Christians would never do such a thing!”

Have you never messed up yourself, made a mistake, or fallen short of some goal? Are you everything that a "real" Christian should be? Should Christianity take Jesus down from its pedestal and put your happy ass in his place? Does it turn out that YOU are the only perfect Christian to ever have existed in the history of this planet??? The answers are obvious to all except the most calloused hearted Fundies.

Another problem that arises is the fact that Christians themselves can't even agree on a definition of the word "Christian" (See my essay: God Is Not The Author ). Due to this fact, they really aren't qualified to tell us who was or wasn't a "real" Christian, since they can't even agree on what makes a person a Christian or what the hell a REAL Christian is to start with! If you can't define what a Martian is, then you also can't tell us what a Martian is not! Some have even said that the only REAL Christian that ever lived got himself crucified 2,000 years ago! Of course, if Christianity had an official membership card (with secret decoder ring included!) this whole controversy wouldn't even exist. As it is, are we non-Christians supposed to somehow keep up with all of Christianity's internal squabbling, judging who is or isn't a "real" Christian, and if so, judging by whose definitions???

Christians have tried to define their problem children out of existence with this knee-jerk response of theirs that has been justly criticized by Humanists thusly:

Suppose a secular Humanist were to say something along the line of:

A secular humanist could NEVER do anything unethical; that would not be a secular humanist thing to do. Only good people are secular humanists!

What is wrong with this picture? By defining a member of your group as being good BY DEFINITION, one can conveniently avoid being associated with the doers of evil.#1

Let me translate that so even the most hard-hearted Christian can understand it. What you Christians have done, by implication and by following your reasoning to its logical conclusion, is to have set up the following underlying syllogism:

A real Christian would never have sinned.
Rev. X sinned.
Therefore, Rev. X was never a real Christian.

---in other words---

All Christians are perfect.
Rev. Jim Jones wasn't perfect.
Therefore, Rev. Jim Jones wasn't a Christian.

Whether the Christians want to own up to the above syllogism or not, that is what they're basing their excuse of "he was never a real Christian" upon. Anytime any Christian anywhere does anything wrong, that's the FIRST thing out of the mouths of all the other Christians: "Oh him, he did WHAT?!!? Well, he must not have been a real Christian, for a real Christian would never have done that."

The author has noticed, since 9/11, that this excuse is not limited to Christians. Islamic clerics have also been using the same excuse, saying that the terrorists who do these atrocities "are not real Muslims". I wonder if they learned this rhetorical tactic from the Christians???

What exactly are Christians (or Muslims) implying when they casually dismiss wrong-doing in their ranks with their magical wand of an excuse? They are implying that “real Christians” (or Muslims) are physically incapable of ever doing such wrong things. The implication is that any people who ever claimed to be Christians, but weren’t morally 100% perfect, must have been lying about being Christians all along. Is this a valid option for Christians? No, and once again it me the Atheist that has to teach the Christians their own damn Bible, for according to Jesus, NO ONE IS “GOOD” except Biblegod.

Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good.#2

Therefore, there are NO good Christians: never were, never will be. Being a Christian (at least according to Jesus) doesn't make one good, much less perfect. And study after study has confirmed this, that Christians are no better off morally than their non-Christian neighbors. Prisons are filled with Christians.

Also in the Christian Bible we find that ALL CHRISTIANS HAVE AND PRACTICE “SIN” and any Christian who claims otherwise is a LIAR. The Apostle John, writing to Christians in one of his last epistles, said:

If we [Christians] say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us...If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him to a liar, and His word is not in us.#3

John is implying that Christian churchgoers aren’t perfect, and he’s not alone in that opinion. Listen to the Apostle Paul echo John's sentiments as he describes the moral climate of the church in Corinth:

For I am afraid that perhaps when I come [to the church at Corinth] I may find... strife, jealousy, angry tempers, disputes, slanders, gossip, arrogance, disturbances; I am afraid that when I come again my God may humiliate me before you, and I may mourn over many of those who have sinned in the past and not repented of the impurity, immorality and sensuality which they have practiced.#4

Do these ancient Christians sound like “sinless” or even "good" people? Yet these Christians, whom Paul called “saints” and “sanctified” (1C 1:1-3), would not even be called Christian by many modern churchaholics, as these Christians would not fit their home-made definition of “Christian”. These ancient Christians would have been chopped out of their theological family tree as an embarrassment; chopped out via the knee-jerk "Oh them? The Corinthians? Well, they're not real Christians."

Christians dismiss the embarrassing “black sheep” of their flock with the magic wand of "They're not REAL Christians” yet the fact is, they WERE “real” Christians, and their Christianity IS what probably caused their problems in the first place, for what they did is an example of the craziness that we Freethinkers keep telling you deaf Christians Christianity causes in some people. When you hand out a blank-check morality to people, telling them that any evil they do can be forgiven, what do you expect?

You see these Christian screw-ups, yet you ignore the cause. You blindly stumble on, like addicted smokers coughing your brains out while denying between coughs that you are coughing! “Oh, them?? Well, smoking may cause coughing and cancer in them, but never in me, because ...” Listen! Christianity causes BRAIN DEATH as surely as cigarettes cause cancer. No, not EVERY one who smokes will get cancer, and not every crack addict will wig out and jump off a building. BUT WHY ARE YOU TAKING THE RISK, why are you flirting with poison, why are you playing with fire when so many around you have burned out (or burned up-- literally) already??? Christianity, in SOME people, leads to mental illness, and yes, THESE WERE REAL CHRISTIANS. Yes, those people at Jonestown and Waco were “real” Christians too, as real a Christian as you and the guy in the pew next to you. Their Christianity was real, and is what turned them into Christian corpses. We live in a cause and effect universe, and there is cause and effect going on here- connect the corpses, connect the dots, join the pieces of the jig-saw puzzle- it’s not that hard. These people were real Christians, and their Christianity contributed to their deaths.

To sum up, I'll use the words of Del Hitchcock} Next time you feel like telling the world who is or isn't or was or wasn't a "real" Christian, stick out your hands: do you see any holes thru them? If not, then...STFU

uncia

25-05-2009, 09:51 PM

This is what men should all be hearkening unto:

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

danceswithbunnies

25-05-2009, 11:21 PM

Dude (or dudette as the case may be)

Have a sense of humor.

It was unusual to find an atheist with such an spankingly good sense of humor, they are usually just as humorless, dessicated, and trying as most of their fundamentalist counterparts.. two side of the same literalist coin, totally left hemisphere
dominant, confuse the finger with the moon types, like to endlessly argue about the meaning of the word "is".

Evolved Swamp Slime VS the Frozen Chosen; let the games begin.

In some ways being able to rabbit on about things you can't actually personally know are true is awesome because you can amuse yourself endlessly with circularieties, and chasing your own tail.

Unfortunately, it is not terribly useful for actually knowing the truth.

No worries mate, God has a a sense of humor too, why else would he make bald apes the smartest thing on the planet?

uncia

26-05-2009, 12:51 AM

In the USA, everyone's a "Christian". OK, so where does it get you? Nowhere. It's a non-argument quoting what "Christians" do in the USA, because everyone is one, unless he is an self-professing atheist.

So we need a better definition of "Christian", along the lines I suggested.

miracles

26-05-2009, 12:53 AM

danceswithbunnies

26-05-2009, 01:14 AM

uncia

26-05-2009, 01:49 AM

Miracles that is still the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

YOU ARE BOTH WRONG AND HERE IS WHY:

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html

Break down by religion of the US:
76% of americans are christians

This page will show you what the repondents are affiliated with.
82% of respondents saying they were chiristian answered the question about affilliation.
Irrelevant as overall less than 10% of those affilliated attend church on any given Sunday, and of those that do, many are probably not bible believing Christians.

danceswithbunnies

26-05-2009, 03:24 AM

Irrelevant as overall less than 10% of those affilliated attend church on any given Sunday, and of those that do, many are probably not bible believing Christians.

As per your fallacious argumentation on another thread..in other words, using your argument for christians but replacing it with homosexuals...

Less than 10% of homosexuals are at gay bars on any given night, and even those that are, are probably not PRACTICING homosexuals.

miracles

26-05-2009, 08:07 AM

Miracles that is still the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

YOU ARE BOTH WRONG AND HERE IS WHY:

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html

Break down by religion of the US:
76% of americans are christians

This page will show you what the repondents are affiliated with.
82% of respondents saying they were chiristian answered the question about affilliation.

Right, like all prisoners are innocent and many seem to convert to Christianity to get a reduced sentence. Jail house conversions and affiliations with Christianity even church membership does not a Christian make.

uncia

26-05-2009, 08:44 AM

As per your fallacious argumentation on another thread..in other words, using your argument for christians but replacing it with homosexuals...

Less than 10% of homosexuals are at gay bars on any given night, and even those that are, are probably not PRACTICING homosexuals.
To be a Christian is to behave like one all the time, even if the occasional sin be allowed for. However to be a homosexual, one only needs to participate in homosexual acts infrequently.

The reason why most affiliated don't go to church is probably because they do not believe anyway and so have no right to be called Christians. The reason why not all homosexuals practice all the time is probably because they've got AIDs or are scared of getting it or are scared to practice it.

miracles

26-05-2009, 09:26 AM

To be a Christian is to behave like one all the time, even if the occasional sin be allowed for. However to be a homosexual, one only needs to participate in homosexual acts infrequently.

The reason why most affiliated don't go to church is probably because they do not believe anyway and so have no right to be called Christians. The reason why not all homosexuals practice all the time is probably because they've got AIDs or are scared of getting it or are scared to practice it.

To be a Christian is something you are, not what or how you behave.
To be a Christian, is to be saved by grace through faith, not of good works lest any man shall boast ...for example; of his good behaviour. A gay man, can be a Christian. IE a rampant practising homosexual can be a saved man. One can assume he is no longer happy in this practise, at least less happier than he would be as a non Christian. although I am not sure if there are any truely happy practising Homosexuals. I mean they are possibly no unhapier than a straight man or woman who is sleeping around, at least. Thats what grace means...

uncia

26-05-2009, 09:37 AM

To be a Christian is something you are, not what or how you behave.
To be a Christian, is to be saved by grace through faith, not of good works lest any man shall boast ...for example; of his good beahviour. A gay man, can be a Christian.
On this one, I cannot agree.

Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

One is not saved unless one does the will of God. You may object Christians don't have to "work" to be justified, but what Paul meant by that phrase, is that one does not earn one's forgiveness by obeying the law. However there is no prospect of someone in permanent disobedience to God being a Christian, because a Christian must "uphold the law" - Roms 3:31 - inferring the greater commandments of the law, rather than its rudiments.

Your usage of the word "gay" is erroneous. It was a term invented by homosexuals to justify their homosexuality. There is no state, natural or otherwise, of "being gay". It must either refer to specific acts committed or be a complete misnomer.

danceswithbunnies

26-05-2009, 03:28 PM

miracles

26-05-2009, 03:31 PM

On this one, I cannot agree.

One is not saved unless one does the will of God. You may object Christians don't have to "work" to be justified, but what Paul meant by that phrase, is that one does not earn one's forgiveness by obeying the law. However there is no prospect of someone in permanent disobedience to God being a Christian, because a Christian must "uphold the law" - Roms 3:31 - inferring the greater commandments of the law, rather than its rudiments.

Your usage of the word "gay" is erroneous. It was a term invented by homosexuals to justify their homosexuality. There is no state, natural or otherwise, of "being gay". It must either refer to specific acts committed or be a complete misnomer.

You are putting your faith in your works, no one can do the will of God which is why Christ came.

danceswithbunnies

26-05-2009, 03:37 PM

You are putting your faith in your works, no one can do the will of God which is why Christ came.

This is the difference between the older soteriology and the newer vicarious atonement "saved by grace" view that protestants adhere to.
You two will never come to agreement on this, people have been arguing about it for centuries.

uncia

26-05-2009, 05:39 PM

You are putting your faith in your works, no one can do the will of God which is why Christ came.
Christ did not come because no one could do the will of God. In fact he said himself:

Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

It is clear than many people in the OT did the will of God. You are confusing forgiveness with salvation. No one can earn forgiveness, but it is necessary to do God's will to enter heaven. Christ does not relieve any man from obeying God:

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

danceswithbunnies

26-05-2009, 06:00 PM

So all you two can do is speak bible gibberish?

But you wonder why the world is so messed up?

The Irony here is astonishing.

uncia

26-05-2009, 07:35 PM

So all you two can do is speak bible gibberish?

But you wonder why the world is so messed up?

The Irony here is astonishing.
Go back to your bunnies.

snoopsnuffleopagus

26-05-2009, 07:59 PM

danceswithbunnies

26-05-2009, 08:26 PM

hey wassup?

ain't you that dancin bunny babylonish syncretist that stepped all over my blue suede shoes in a Alligator Pit, in a Universe far, far away and not so long ago? ;)

Thought so!

Welcome aboard!!! Shipmate
:)
Though you will notice there is no shortage of sophmoric babylonish pagan interpretations and analysis of the GREATEST BOOK EVER WRITTEN!!

got anything about wotan, krishna or invisible pink unicorns.

invisible pink unicorns got it all over dancin bunnies.

just sayin' ;)

Hey dude!
What's up?

Long time no see!
I apologize if i was mean to you...it had been a long hard road, when was that anyway?

Yeah well i am no longer syncretist, preferring to know God by direct experience . ..lotta strange stuff.

Listen not to change the subject to avoid anything, but i need help.

Do you guys anyone who has any kind of occult expertise here on the board?

I need to ask a question.

miracles

27-05-2009, 03:01 PM

Christ did not come because no one could do the will of God. In fact he said himself:

It is clear than many people in the OT did the will of God. You are confusing forgiveness with salvation. No one can earn forgiveness, but it is necessary to do God's will to enter heaven. Christ does not relieve any man from obeying God:

Salvation from what then? There is none righteous not even one. God blinked at a lot of sins in the old testament meaning he turned his head (otherwise why did he seem to allow many wifes) man could not receive the holy spirit within, before Christ which means they where powerless over sin. Further morethey ahd to make a yearly sacrfice to cover sins for a whole year. Through salvation we are no longer powerless, we still need to work out our own salvation daily, through Cjhrist we enter into heaven, our works do not earn us heaven, all works that are not of God will will be burned up, all works that are will be rewarded these rewards are not works that have earned a passage to heaven.

Ive said this before and i will say it again. There are only two religions in the world - salvation through faith in Christ alone and salvation through works.

What religion are you?

Careful dont let them catch two alledged Christians haveing a discusiion, they'll think God is evil and the bible is a fairy tale.

uncia

27-05-2009, 03:17 PM

.... our works do not earn us heaven ...
Really?

Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds

Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

What religion are you?

Jhn 5:31 "If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid.

miracles

27-05-2009, 03:22 PM

Really?

Romans has many chapters, you've quoted a few verses from Chapter two.

What about, shall I go on sinning so that grace may abound - by no means.

what about, but the sin in the body is not me it is sin and I cant stop oh wretched man that I am. What about that? What was the answer?

I thank the Lord Jesus Christ -

Christ was and is the only answer for dealing with sins. The fruit if a life abiding in Christ is righteousness, this life grows out of Christ, nothing else. You arent gonna tidy your own act up ever. Thats why a christian knows the reality of Christ and his own powerlessness, thats why a true Christians new life is a miracle, that's why a true Christian KNOWS the truth. That's why a true Christian knows what the wages of sin is death means.

all of Romans is about the law leading us to Christ. Chapter 2 is setting the scene mate.

miracles

27-05-2009, 03:27 PM

Really?

You are not living or speaking by example of the scripture you quote as proof of your religion. The scripture you quote points to Christ and yet you are harping on about living a righteous life by your own merit in order to get into heaven man. Preposterous.

uncia

27-05-2009, 03:36 PM

What about, shall I go on sinning so that grace may abound - by no means.

what about, but the sin in the body is not me it is sin and I cant stop oh wretched man that I am. What about that? What was the anwer?

Rom 8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, [fn]

Rom 8:2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.

Rom 8:3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, [fn] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. [fn] And so he condemned sin in sinful man, [fn]

Rom 8:4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit

I thank the Lord Jesus Christ -

Christ was and is the only answer for dealing with sins.

There is a tendency to view the cross as a turning Christ into a sort of totem that will ensure our entry into heaven whatever we do. That is not the case. The requirement for personal holiness is emphasized again and again.

all of Romans is about the law leading us tio Christ. Chapter 2 is setting the scene mate.
To learn to distinguish the law as a justifier, and the higher law as a guide for living a holy life, is mandatory. If you can't do it, you will never understand the New Testament.

miracles

27-05-2009, 03:39 PM

There is a tendency to view the cross as a turning Christ into a sort of totem that will ensure our entry into heaven whatever we do. That is not the case. The requirement for personal holiness is emphasized again and again.

When will learn to distinguish the law as a justifier, and the higher law as a guide for living a holy life?

Im sorry buddy, you sound like you have been caught up in the apostate charasimatic chaos movement - you need to do some home work on the doctrine of eternal security. You will feel much better after that - then you can live a life of loving the Lord in gratitude instead of trying to live up to an expectation you can never live up to.

Are you personally Holy enough to make it into heaven? - Do you think you can live a life of suitable Holyness and sustain it long enough to make it past the pearly gates? If so fair play to you mate, sounds like you dont need the "totem pole" of the cross then buddy. But know this - your religion is that of works. This is not Christianity.

miracles

27-05-2009, 03:53 PM

Hey dude!
What's up?

Long time no see!
I apologize if i was mean to you...it had been a long hard road, when was that anyway?

Yeah well i am no longer syncretist, preferring to know God by direct experience . ..lotta strange stuff.

Listen not to change the subject to avoid anything, but i need help.

Do you guys anyone who has any kind of occult expertise here on the board?

I need to ask a question.

What sort of occult expertise? Thats a big area.

uncia

27-05-2009, 03:54 PM

But know this - your religion is that of works.
You liar.

miracles

27-05-2009, 03:55 PM

You liar.

Thinking you can lose your salvation through not living a holy life is a LIE. Teaching and preaching it is even worse. Its this sort of thinking that makes you get up on a your soap box and rain down blow after blow on homo-sexuals. (And no I'm not a homo -sexual)

danceswithbunnies

27-05-2009, 05:43 PM

BIBLE SEX QUIZ 1
FUN WITH FREE THINKERS SERIES CONTINUED.....
(more fun than a barrel of humans...)

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0201/biblesex.html

1. Who is holiest to God?

God loves all of us, and if we accept Jesus, we are equal in the Lord's eyes.
A man who marries once and is always faithful to his wife.
A man who avoids sex through willpower.
A man who avoids sex through castration.

2. Which of the following acts does God consider disgraceful?

Having sex with your dead brother's wife.
Refusing to have sex with your dead brother's wife.
Having sex with your dead brother's wife but refusing to impregnate her.
B and C.

3. Which of the following may lead to you and all your descendants being cursed?

Stripping off all your clothes and lying around naked, for others to see.
Getting so drunk you pass out naked, for your whole village to see.
Accidentally seeing a person naked and telling others about the shameless debauchery.
A and B.

4. Which of the following sex acts is most offensive to God?

Homosexual conduct with visiting angels.
Getting drunk and impregnating your own daughters.
Rape of both of your virgin daughters.
B and C. They are equally horrendous and must be stopped at all costs.

5. Under what circumstances does the Bible say a woman must have her hands cut off for touching a man's genitals?

Under no circumstances. The Bible does not restrict physical contact between heterosexuals in any way.
When she is fondling them in an effort to avoid intercourse and possible conception.
When she contacts them orally.
When she touches them in an effort to protect her husband from an attacker.

6. What are God's policies regarding the treatment of women captured in war?

The victor may choose any of the women he wants to be his wife.
The victor may choose any of the women to be his wife but if she's bad in bed, while he may kick her out, he may not sell her as a slave.
In cities God has given to His people as an inheritance, the women must be killed just like all the men and every other living thing.
All of the above.

7. What does the Bible say about homosexuality?

Nothing. Contrary to popular misconception, the Bible is essentially silent regarding homosexuality.
All love is accepted by God so long as it is monogamous and sincere.
While love between men is noble, it must never become passionate or the men must be killed.
None of the above.

8. Which of the following statements reflects God's requirement for all women?

She must submit to her husband's whims.
She may be sold by her father as a sex slave, but if she doesn't please her master, he should let her go.
If she is engaged to be married, she should not be raped by a stranger, but if she is a slave, the rapist's punishment should be minimal.
All of the above.

9. Which sexual acts are so egregious that they warrant death?

None.
Any sexual thoughts about someone to whom one is not married.
Child molestation only.
Violent, coercive sex with your spouse.

10. Since God created only Adam and Eve, how did they have grandchildren?

By divine intervention.
Those not related to Adam and Eve must have evolved from other primates.
Through incest either between Eve and one of her sons or Cain and a sister.
None of the above.