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lostinstrangeworld
24-05-2009, 10:45 PM
It seems whatever someone's world view is, they can always find evidence to support it.
Who can really see the bigger, undistorted picture?
My goal is to destroy the veil of lies that is blocking the truth. I think I have more or less done that.
You cannot discover the truth unless the veil is removed first.
element
24-05-2009, 11:10 PM
You cannot discover the truth unless the veil is removed first.
I disagree with that, simply because there are too many to remove before you'll find the truth.
I prefer to ignore the forest itself and chop some good trees and take them home with me.
hellosatellites
24-05-2009, 11:14 PM
It seems whatever someone's world view is, they can always find evidence to support it.
Who can really see the bigger, undistorted picture?
You ask 2 very different questions.
The first one: Can we ever really know anything?
Yes.
The second one: Who can really see the bigger picture?
Who the fuck cares about that? You know what you know.
lostinstrangeworld
25-05-2009, 12:57 AM
I prefer to ignore the forest itself and chop some good trees and take them home with me.
Please don't :p
lostinstrangeworld
25-05-2009, 12:57 AM
The second one: Who can really see the bigger picture?
Who the fuck cares about that? You know what you know.
:D
"Can we really know anything?"
The answer is not an answer; thus, I respond with an expression; I know everything without knowing anything.
mmmm the tensions of paradox quantum leap paradigm in release through realization.
tejas
25-05-2009, 10:41 PM
I dont know :D
But seriously, this is something that always bothers me,
The only thing that I can be sure of is that I exist, everything else could be illusion.
lostinstrangeworld
25-05-2009, 10:43 PM
Can truth be found within that quiet voice that speaks inside the heart?
marpat
25-05-2009, 11:41 PM
It seems whatever someone's world view is, they can always find evidence to support it.
Who can really see the bigger, undistorted picture?
Read Prometheus Rising. It explains how the mind can arrange perception in order to prove a persons belief.
http://www.occult-underground.com/ebooks/prometheusrising.zip
marpat
25-05-2009, 11:44 PM
I dont know :D
But seriously, this is something that always bothers me,
The only thing that I can be sure of is that I exist, everything else could be illusion.
Do you exist though? when you dream you think it is real but it is not you in the same body, what is the real you? mind and perceptions change so is there an I that exists or is it just a constant change of influences?
zero1
25-05-2009, 11:56 PM
It seems whatever someone's world view is, they can always find evidence to support it. Who can really see the bigger, undistorted picture?
Me. Perfectly.
catfood
25-05-2009, 11:59 PM
Just a link to a thread, on a smiler thought i had today.:)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66346
tejas
26-05-2009, 12:09 AM
Do you exist though? when you dream you think it is real but it is not you in the same body, what is the real you? mind and perceptions change so is there an I that exists or is it just a constant change of influences?
The fact that "I" exist is self evident. When I say "I" I do not mean my thoughts, feelings, history, personality, but rather this sense of self-awareness that "I" have.
If there is some form of absolute truth then I feel it will be related to this self evident nature.
Whether I will continue to exist I do not know, but in this current moment It is self-evident that I do?
In states of unconsious sleep It appears that I do not exist, but who knows.
Could you elaborate on how you feel that you yourself, do not exist?
anahata
26-05-2009, 09:16 PM
Can truth be found within that quiet voice that speaks inside the heart?
Compassion :)
It seems whatever someone's world view is, they can always find evidence to support it.
Who can really see the bigger, undistorted picture?
IMO no..
lostinstrangeworld
26-05-2009, 10:08 PM
The fact that "I" exist is self evident. When I say "I" I do not mean my thoughts, feelings, history, personality, but rather this sense of self-awareness that "I" have.
If there is some form of absolute truth then I feel it will be related to this self evident nature.
Whether I will continue to exist I do not know, but in this current moment It is self-evident that I do?
In states of unconsious sleep It appears that I do not exist, but who knows.
Could you elaborate on how you feel that you yourself, do not exist?
Interesting, I was thinking about consciousness today in regards to where it goes when we sleep.
Maybe it seems hazy to us because of this body/ vehicle of consciousness.
Under hypnosis people seem able to tap into previous lives.
Where do memories go after they have been lost due to an accident or illness?
The body forgets them but the soul does not, as far as I am aware.
element
26-05-2009, 10:10 PM
Interesting, I was thinking about consciousness today in regards to where it goes when we sleep.
Maybe it seems hazy to us because of this body/ vehicle of consciousness.
Under hypnosis people seem able to tap into previous lives.
Where do memories go after they have been lost due to an accident or illness?
The body forgets them but the soul does not, as far as I am aware.
Write down dreams LISW, become aware of them.
I think it will help you with a lot of things, your a seeker. :)
tejas
26-05-2009, 10:13 PM
Interesting, I was thinking about consciousness today in regards to where it goes when we sleep.
Maybe it seems hazy to us because of this body/ vehicle of consciousness.
Under hypnosis people seem able to tap into previous lives.
Where do memories go after they have been lost due to an accident or illness?
The body forgets them but the soul does not, as far as I am aware.
Acording to the jnana yoga mystics or jnani (i think thats what they are called) when we are in deep sleep our soul has gone back to brahaman or the oversoul.
Some remote viewers have also commented on this (gerald o'donnel) they claim when in deep sleep your consciousness is expanded, hence your brain body and your memory cannot remember it.
I have no idea whether this is true or not :rolleyes:
lostinstrangeworld
26-05-2009, 10:23 PM
Acording to the jnana yoga mystics or jnani (i think thats what they are called) when we are in deep sleep our soul has gone back to brahaman or the oversoul.
Some remote viewers have also commented on this (gerald o'donnel) they claim when in deep sleep your consciousness is expanded, hence your brain body and your memory cannot remember it.
I have no idea whether this is true or not :rolleyes:
:p
lostinstrangeworld
26-05-2009, 10:24 PM
Write down dreams LISW, become aware of them.
I think it will help you with a lot of things, your a seeker. :)
My dreams don't make sense for the most part- when I do dream its usually a bit surreal and incoherent....in one word....bonkers.
:p
sevenworlds
27-05-2009, 12:22 AM
It seems whatever someone's world view is, they can always find evidence to support it.
Who can really see the bigger, undistorted picture?
The only instrument we have is mind/intellect. It is you as you know yourself. It's very nature is self-protection. We see that externally on the biggest scale as war. Yet if you trace the cause of war back to it's source, you'd find it begins on an individual level because we are all at war with ourselves.
We have this love/hate relationship with the mind. On the one hand, we need it to get anywhere in this world. I'm talking about career, home, relationships, etc. To be a success in these areas we have to use the intellect to get ahead of others. So everything we do strengthens and perpetuates the use of mind. This is why people can always find evidence to support their world view. Knowledge breeds knowledge and all you are is knowledge. You will fight till the end to hold onto this knowledge because of that.
On the other hand, this causes us great misery because it exhausts us. We use so much effort and energy to keep this 'you' in existence. We have to keep reminding ourselves and others of this 'you', which is only a string of memories, by pointless chit-chat, talking about our past, our achievements, what we want for the future, and on and on it goes.
The body in it's natural state is not interested in any of that. The body is constantly trying to remind us this but we never listen and therefore create tensions in it. Eventually dis-ease will take place.
To see the bigger picture is to be finished with society. Not in a sense of rejecting it cynically. It means you will accept it as it is but it will no longer make any sense to you. You will be like an outcast but never unhappy. That's why nobody wants to see the bigger picture. It is frightening. Not frightening once it is seen but frightening to take a look. Most will turn and run when confronted by themselves.
Sorry I said a lot there.
mauviene
30-05-2009, 11:10 PM
"Can we really know anything?"
The answer is not an answer; thus, I respond with an expression; I know everything without knowing anything.
mmmm the tensions of paradox quantum leap paradigm in release through realization.
:)
But truly making a stance is immanent is it not? For you cannot remain uncertain about your uncertainty lest you go insane?
You cannot know through knowledge but you can know from experience.
:)
But truly making a stance is immanent is it not? For you cannot remain uncertain about your uncertainty lest you go insane?
You cannot know through knowledge but you can know from experience.
Before the immanence of my stance, the question is raised, who am I? For such is that I am nothing for everything I am. The experiential knowledge one speaks of stands inseparable from knowledge itself, as does knowing nothing[fractals]; consider the nature of words unspoken-- climb the ladder, as two vantages become one upon a pinnacle of rhyme in poetic image. Truly, these words are but expressions of truth. The stance of nothing for everything is an open door to the divine potentials of infinity, of which I walk through. Such is an oscillating dynamic of polarity within void.
What is insanity? Is society not insane?
epic fail guy
01-06-2009, 01:02 AM
I have a devised a formula to find out if a human is able to know everything!
Here we go:
About every second 15.764.336.644.235.043 new books come into existence.
The total number of all books in existence at the moment of writing this post is 984.457.320.687.575.156.789.494.664.012.875.075.57 0.500.757.056.039.649.167.791.023.376.111.772.003. 461 (i have very good sources trust me on this).
Using those numbers i came up with the following formula: 984.457.320.687.575.156.789.494.664.012.875.075.57 0.500.757.056.039.649 + (15.764.336.644.235.043 * seconds that have passed starting from the moment you were able to read) / predicted age you die in years = The amount of books you would have to read every year to really know everything. My guess is it will be quite a lot of books. It might be impossible, im no mathwonder here, so dont take my word for it.
Another thing though, after you have died, books full of interesting need to know knowledge will continue to be written............
All of this lead me to the following conclusion. FUCK THOSE BOOKS! THERE IS NO END TO THEM!
The Truth is within. Not without.
mauviene
01-06-2009, 06:19 PM
Before the immanence of my stance, the question is raised, who am I? For such is that I am nothing for everything I am. The experiential knowledge one speaks of stands inseparable from knowledge itself, as does knowing nothing[fractals]; consider the nature of words unspoken-- climb the ladder, as two vantages become one upon a pinnacle of rhyme in poetic image. Truly, these words are but expressions of truth. The stance of nothing for everything is an open door to the divine potentials of infinity, of which I walk through. Such is an oscillating dynamic of polarity within void.
What is insanity? Is society not insane?
Yes we are all the same consciousness. I would say insanity is being mentally unstable..which I could currently question in myself..though it could be the society causing my insanity.
I have a devised a formula to find out if a human is able to know everything!
Here we go:
About every second 15.764.336.644.235.043 new books come into existence.
The total number of all books in existence at the moment of writing this post is 984.457.320.687.575.156.789.494.664.012.875.075.57 0.500.757.056.039.649.167.791.023.376.111.772.003. 461 (i have very good sources trust me on this).
Using those numbers i came up with the following formula: 984.457.320.687.575.156.789.494.664.012.875.075.57 0.500.757.056.039.649 + (15.764.336.644.235.043 * seconds that have passed starting from the moment you were able to read) / predicted age you die in years = The amount of books you would have to read every year to really know everything. My guess is it will be quite a lot of books. It might be impossible, im no mathwonder here, so dont take my word for it.
Another thing though, after you have died, books full of interesting need to know knowledge will continue to be written............
All of this lead me to the following conclusion. FUCK THOSE BOOKS! THERE IS NO END TO THEM!
The Truth is within. Not without.
Awesome post.
Consider, if you had the opportunity to sell your soul to know everything, all you would know is the moment.
fr0sty
02-06-2009, 10:34 AM
well if you sell your soul you cannot do anything with all of the knowledge :)
epic fail guy nice post :DD::D:d