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bsmurph83
24-05-2009, 12:30 PM
Evidence was gathered illegally because 6,000 speed cameras were not given proper Parliamentary approval, it was claimed in a test case.

The action has been brought by a Aitken Brotherston, 61, a businessman from Lyme, Cheshire, who is appealing against a speeding conviction.

Michael Shrimpton, his counsel, told Manchester Crown Court that the case had wide-ranging implications.

It could mean that an estimated £600 million collected in fines and accompanying penalty points were invalid and trigger an avalanche of compensation claims from motorists.

Mr Shrimpton said a change in the 1988 Road Traffic Offenders Act in 1991 had not been properly implemented.

Until then the law that merely required the Home Secretary to approve the technical evaluation of the speed cameras. But since then additional Parliamentary approval has also been required for the devices.

Successive Home Secretaries, starting with Michael Howard in 1992, had failed to do so.

"But this was not done," Mr Shrimpton said. "It is an insult to Parliament in general that it had not identified a single device. This is a very important constitutional point.

"Since 1992 there have been hundreds of thousands of cases which we think are invalid.

"Speeding fines and convictions effect the very fabric of our society. Businesses and people's lives are severely affected when there is a ban from driving or fines.

"There are considerable economic considerations to take into account."

Mr Shrimpton added: "What the Department of Public Prosecutions is saying is that a Minister for example could decide to bring back hanging and he could do so without going to Parliament.

"He could draw up an order without Parliament seeing it and it would then become law."

Nearly 80 other cases are lined up behind Brotherston's which is likely to end up in the House of Lords.

The businessman, of was caught doing 52mph by a speed camera mounted in the back of a van in a 40mph zone.

He was photographed on the A5103 at 1pm on November 6 2006 while he drove his Y-reg Mitsubishi Gallant Estate out of the city centre.

Mr Brotherston received three points on his licence but he is adamant he was not speeding.

Guy Williams, the camera operator told the court: "That vehicle seemed to be driving in excess of 40mph. On seeing this I then aligned my crosshairs on the front of the car producing a reading of 52mph."

The case continues. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/4387759/Nearly-all-speed-cameras-in-Britain-illegal-court-is-told.html)

In Australia, I'm told that the government has recently entered into a mad rush to properly test and approve speed cameras which previously have not been legal and often been proven as unreliable and defective.

ownoiz
24-05-2009, 01:22 PM
In Australia, I'm told that the government has recently entered into a mad rush to properly test and approve speed cameras which previously have not been legal and often been proven as unreliable and defective.

Yes that happened in South Australia. The incar cameras were inaccurate in particular...often used by Highway Patrol to catch oncoming traffic...they lock onto your speed, and if over, they turn around and chase you/pull you over...i was caught myself and didnt agree with the speed stated...now i have been caught speeding many times, and the police have always been correct, but not this time.

Couple of weeks later i found out the South Australian government had abandoned the independant testing and approval ...it was quite well known, even mentioned on free to air TV...and they would admit it themselves, and didnt care...

Until a lawyer took them on and won. Some fines were dismissed...and thats when the mad rush began.
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yozhik
24-05-2009, 01:29 PM
I remember reading about this ... it seems the statute has since been amended and the requirement dropped. The fines have been upheld as valid because the speed cameras no longer require the validation.

Don't take that as gospel ... it simply struck a "this sounds familiar" spark in the grey matter.

the worm that turned
24-05-2009, 05:14 PM
I remember reading about this ... it seems the statute has since been amended and the requirement dropped. The fines have been upheld as valid because the speed cameras no longer require the validation.

Don't take that as gospel ... it simply struck a "this sounds familiar" spark in the grey matter.

Correct me if I'm wrong but how can changing the statute affect decisions prior to the change?? If this were the case then surely other examples (like the consumer credit act 1974) would not be valid when the new/amended statute comes out.

yozhik
24-05-2009, 05:19 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but how can changing the statute affect decisions prior to the change?? If this were the case then surely other examples (like the consumer credit act 1974) would not be valid when the new/amended statute comes out.

I might be confusing cases, but I do remember reading an article, where a Court ruled that the requirements did NOT relate to the speed cameras and did not support any argument for a backdating of the tests and nullifying of the fines.

So it was not about changing the statute; it was a court ruling that gave an interpretation of the statute and the intent (very important), clearing the way for the penalties to stand as valid.