What Really Happened to GW Bush?

[metacomet]

He was not the man you know him as before his candidacy for President of the U.S. So what changed?

He used to be intelligent, a quick-thinker and looked nearly 20 years younger than he does today - and this was not very long ago.

Bush Ten Years Ago - And Now! - YouTube

Do you really think it was alcohol that did this?
I don't.

[crimsonblade]

He was probably cloned quite a few times during his presidency...

[michael christopher]

His sins are dragging him down into hell with them. He is probably good at the conscious repression of guilt and remorse, but those things stay with his spirit and he probably has an extremely heavy conscience.

[adbasque]

He was not the man you know him as before his candidacy for President of the U.S. So what changed?

He used to be intelligent, a quick-thinker and looked nearly 20 years younger than he does today - and this was not very long ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvVilAlCBYc

Do you really think it was alcohol that did this?
I don't.


I am sure it's him, there are certain things he does that are identical with his body language, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him, change, alcohol and all the Satanic rituals and ceremonies, the drinking of blood and so on.

I am 99.9% it's him
Even Tony Blair when you look at him ten years prior to becoming a prime Minister he has changed a great deal, and politics is very stressful even if you're an Ass***

Brown has changed in the last 4 years, if you look at Bill Clinton's early days and when he became president he physically changed too.

As I said it wouldn't surprise me at all, after all the weird stuff they do, something has to give.

[adbasque]

He was probably cloned quite a few times during his presidency...

That's also a strong possibility, you've got a point there.

[adbasque]

His sins are dragging him down into hell with them. He is probably good at the conscious repression of guilt and remorse, but those things stay with his spirit and he probably has an extremely heavy conscience.

I don't believe he has a conscience, these people are without any empathy or conscious, if he had any conscious he would've changed a longtime ago.

I think it's drugs, alcohol, human and animal blood drinking weird ceremonies at the Bohemian Grove and Skull & Bones ;)

Sooner or later he will change, they literally look like devils, most of them.

[michael christopher]

I don't believe he has a conscious, these people are without any empathy or conscious, if he had any conscious he would've changed a longtime ago.

I think it's drugs, alcohol, human and animal blood drinking weird ceremonies at the Bohemian Grove and Skull & Bones ;)

Sooner or later he will change, they literally look like devils, most of them.

Everyone has a conscience, it's just that sociopaths are extremely good at drowning it out.

[steevo]

The video suggests that he is in the early stages of senile dementia. Bollocks, he's just a lying , stuttering criminal.

[adbasque]

Everyone has a conscience, it's just that sociopaths are extremely good at drowning it out.

Yes every human has a conscience, but if you drown it, it means you're no longer have one.

And how do we know that the Satanic rituals won't have an effect on them?
Their conscious goes out of the window.

[crimsonblade]

Everyone has a conscience, it's just that sociopaths are extremely good at drowning it out.

Not true. A good portion of the population (estimated at between 4-6%) are born without consciences, and are clinically diagnosed as psychopaths. Sociopaths are non-genetic psychopaths. If George Bush is truly conscious of his actions and is not simply mind-controlled beyond repair, then he is undoubtedly a genetic psychopath.

[void]

All these ideas of blood drinking, FFS. Onto his words. The - "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people.........and neither do we" will go down in history as one of the biggest "DOH!" moments in U.S Presidential history, I'm sure. Although - "Now I want you to listen to me....I did not (bang)...have (bang)....sexual (bang) relations with that woman......Miss Lewinsky" is high on the list too. But..........

[adbasque]

Not true. A good portion of the population (estimated at between 4-6%) are born without consciences, and are clinically diagnosed as psychopaths. Sociopaths are non-genetic psychopaths. If George Bush is truly conscious of his actions and is not simply mind-controlled beyond repair, then he is undoubtedly a genetic psychopath.

Yes we were talking about normal human beings, just like serial killers, they have no conscience, otherwise they won't be able to keep on killing.

Bankers have no conscience, otherwise they can't keep screwing people's lives.

So in my opinion some people don't have a conscience.

Anyone without a conscience is not a normal human being, somethings very important are missing, the things that make us human beings, are missing, such as empathy, conscience and other things aswell.

[felakuti]

Yes we were talking about normal human beings, just like serial killers, they have no conscious, otherwise they won't be able to keep on killing.

Bankers have no conscious, otherwise they can't keep screwing people's lives.

So in my opinion some people don't have a conscious.

Anyone without a conscious is not a normal human being, somethings very important are missing, the things that make us human beings, are missing, such as empathy, conscious and other things aswell.

Dude, it's called a conscience, not a conscious.

[adbasque]

Dude, it's called a conscience, not a conscious.

Oups, yes conscious is being conscious, you're right, sorry

[motleyhoo]

They have a conscience, it's just that their conscience has no moral compass. What allows them to function like this is that they have no empathy for anyone but themselves and the other people that are just like them. If you have no empathy then you can do whatever you want to people and it won't affect you.

IMO, Bush didn't change over the last 10 years. He has always been a silver spoonfed immature fratboy. How truly pathetic he has looked - a New England elite attempting to strut around in cowboy boots and jeans like he's one of the Southern good ole boys. What's even more pathetic is the people who actually bought that charade of shit.

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[adbasque]

They have a conscience, it's just that their conscience has no moral compass. What allows them to function like this is that they have no empathy for anyone but themselves and the other people that are just like them. If you have no empathy then you can do whatever you want to people and it won't affect you.

IMO, Bush didn't change over the last 10 years. He has always been a silver spoonfed immature fratboy. How truly pathetic he has looked - a New England elite attempting to strut around in cowboy boots and jeans like he's one of the Southern good ole boys. What's even more pathetic is the people who actually bought that charade of shit.

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You're right the apple don't fall far from the tree

[jaggysnake]

none of us could imagine the amount of stress he was under up to now, getting hit by a car can turn your hair white so being a president can evidently do much more

[shaivite]

Some time ago I saw a documentary that was basically a fly on the wall piece which followed Bush and the press gang around during his first quest for the presidency. It showed a lot of footage of Bush kidding around with the press as he toured the nation leading up to the "election". I have to say I was surprised by it because this was not the Bush I was used too. This guy, dare I say it, seemed likable and light hearted. He even had some charisma and charm about him and responded well to the press, as did they to him. I recall the documentary well because Bush was so different than what I was used to seeing of him, it was right out of left field. Anyway, at the end when it was announced that he had won the press said that Bush suddenly switched and the guy the knew and seemed to like, had now disappeared. The impression given was that Bush himself wasn't expecting to win the election and when he did he almostinstantly transformed into another personality. Though lets not suggest that prior to this he was an angel. This was the governer of Texas who had signed more death warrents than anybody else in the history of the state. So it might not have been a change in politics and willingness to kill, but there does seem to have been a change within him somewhere.

[decim]

WHO made YOUR conscience?

Did they sneak that in on you.

[metacomet]

Yes every human has a conscience, but if you drown it, it means you're no longer have one.


Right.

Especially when they ritually sacrifice their conscience on a daily basis. It's entirely possible to take empathy out of a human in order to make them a perfect soldier... why not politicians? That's exactly what happens. Instead of training for combat, they train for verbal diffusing of situations etc. Meanwhile, like the soldier, they are lead through certain paces to dissolve fear, self-consciousness (apprehension) and other things that might keep them from lying perfectly, or making the perfect kill.

[branjo]

Maybe it was just one of his clones???, like dolly the sheep, presidents seem to be subject to premature aging, they say its the pressure of the job, but did Bush give to fiddlers F**ks about what anyone else really thought?

How long has the world had cloning technology and are we so naive to think they wouldn't use it for a purpose like this, its more of a security risk to hunt the land for doubles of someone when you can just make your own. I find it absolutely amazing that the most dangerous thing shot at him was a pair of sandals :D.

If you listen to Stephen Greer's theories he says that the little grays have been cloned too, in order to aid the abduction by government agencies for testing all manner of things, and after they have been cloned they have the intelligence of a dog doing what its told. And I fecking know, my dog is smarter than George W Bush lol

[metacomet]

This guy, dare I say it, seemed likable and light hearted. He even had some charisma and charm about him and responded well to the press, as did they to him. I recall the documentary well because Bush was so different than what I was used to seeing of him, it was right out of left field. Anyway, at the end when it was announced that he had won the press said that Bush suddenly switched and the guy the knew and seemed to like, had now disappeared.

The lighthearted quality is evident in all politicians, don't you think? They present themselves as positive and happy individuals because that's attractive.

The only joy I ever saw in G.W. was in having certain amounts of attention or in enjoying the good life etc.

Dumbass George Bush drunk. - YouTube

This was a happy man. Prince complex. World was his.

Maybe he didn't realize than that he was born for the spotlight. Born to carry out this performance...

CNN - Ex-President George W. Bush's Post 9/11 Speech - YouTube

he sure didn't seem comfortable while doing it, and couldn't sneak away from the public eye fast enough afterwards. From then on out he took the most days off in Presidential history... I would too.

[shaivite]

The lighthearted quality is evident in all politicians, don't you think? They present themselves as positive and happy individuals because that's attractive.


As far as I could assess from the documentary it didn't seem like this. It seemed more profound than this (never thought I'd be using the word "profound" to talk about Bush!:D). He seemed to have a semi-decent personality, sort of, but once it was announced he won he switched into something of another guy. I tell you it was strange thinking watching it and thinking that Bush seemed kind of alright :eek:, not the cold monster I was used. I'll see if I can find a link to the documentary.


Maybe he didn't realize than that he was born for the spotlight. Born to carry out this performance...


I got this impression. I don't think he was expecting to win. If we recall back to that election all the stations were announcing he had lost but it was Fox News, and originally only Fox News (where his cousin worked), who said that Bush had won. I think it was maybe a surprise to him and perhaps at this time he got a lot more laid upon him than what is popular knowledge.

[shaivite]

I've been searching for that documentary but haven't been able to find it. For anyone willing to search further for it, it features a lot of Al Franken in it as it follows Bush from state to state with a lot of footage of him on the plane with all the media. If anyone can do better than me and find it online please post a link.

[devanshoom]

Dude, it's called a conscience, not a conscious.

bet you cant spell diarreah (liquid shit) correctly off the top of your head

[arty2000]

He was not the man you know him as before his candidacy for President of the U.S. So what changed?

He used to be intelligent, a quick-thinker and looked nearly 20 years younger than he does today - and this was not very long ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvVilAlCBYc

Do you really think it was alcohol that did this?
I don't.

I dont think this guy was ever the sharpest tool in the shed...pres. arent elected they are selected for among other things the ability to follow orders and be a non thinker:)

[cruise4]

"This guy, dare I say it, seemed likable and light hearted. He even had some charisma and charm about him and responded well to the press"

The psychopaths I think I've known are like this. Popular people, funny, charming, extravagent... and shrewd. Always aware of an angle. Always trying to get one over. Over time you may trust they are your best friend, loyal, true and you forgive the odd inconsistencies...

But at any moment these people can turn their back because none of what you percieve has ever really been present in them. It's an act and in their minds you were weak. They don't relate like most people and it's this disparity that confuses when they let you down. They won't care they let you down. But the act might continue as we exhibit a tendancy to forgive and forget and the old charm rears it's head again. You make excuses for their behaviour. They do not relate like normal people at all.

And then there's some really bad ones. Still charming etc. but will repeatedly have you over until you are used up and they move on to their next 'mark'.

I think they think everyone is like them. Hence the fear.

[mountain]

Icke mentions in one of his books that before inauguration, the presidential candidates attend an initiation ritual where they are possessed by the demonic entity/reptilian and become its host.

Not exactly his words to a 'T' but somewhere along those lines....

[motleyhoo]

Some time ago I saw a documentary that was basically a fly on the wall piece which followed Bush and the press gang around during his first quest for the presidency. It showed a lot of footage of Bush kidding around with the press as he toured the nation leading up to the "election". I have to say I was surprised by it because this was not the Bush I was used too. This guy, dare I say it, seemed likable and light hearted. He even had some charisma and charm about him and responded well to the press, as did they to him. I recall the documentary well because Bush was so different than what I was used to seeing of him, it was right out of left field. Anyway, at the end when it was announced that he had won the press said that Bush suddenly switched and the guy the knew and seemed to like, had now disappeared. The impression given was that Bush himself wasn't expecting to win the election and when he did he almostinstantly transformed into another personality. Though lets not suggest that prior to this he was an angel. This was the governer of Texas who had signed more death warrents than anybody else in the history of the state. So it might not have been a change in politics and willingness to kill, but there does seem to have been a change within him somewhere.

Death warrants? How about the fact that when he took over as Governor of Texas the state had a surplus, and when he left they were $12 billion in debt. How about the 3 companies he left in ruin while he walked off with millions in illegal stock trades. He actaully would have gone to jail for what he did at Harkin Oil, but his father pulled some strings with his pals at the Harvard Endowment who replaced the funds Junior embezzled from the company when he sank it. The only reason he was not imprisoned for what happened at the two previous companies he dumped was because his father, knowing that his son was in big trouble, put his family's long time attorney in as head of the SEC.

He has a skewed and narcissistic philosophy of economics, one which he used to tank 3 companies and the state of Texas, and as President he ran our country in the exact same way, taking over a surplus and leaving with a crashed economy and $6 trillion in new debt that cannot be accounted for.

Yeah, he's good at clowning around and that's about it.

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[realy]

there fate wont be kind.

[adbasque]

bet you cant spell diarreah (liquid shit) correctly off the top of your head

He could try Czechoslovakia :D just kidding
to be honest I wasn't thinking, I didn't realise I was spelling conscious as in consciousness rather than conscience.

Anyway sometime we write things and our mind is elsewhere at the same time, but I don't mind being corrected :)
we all make mistakes

[ownoiz]

"This guy, dare I say it, seemed likable and light hearted. He even had some charisma and charm about him and responded well to the press"

The psychopaths I think I've known are like this. Popular people, funny, charming, extravagent... and shrewd. Always aware of an angle. Always trying to get one over. Over time you may trust they are your best friend, loyal, true and you forgive the odd inconsistencies...

But at any moment these people can turn their back because none of what you percieve has ever really been present in them. It's an act and in their minds you were weak. They don't relate like most people and it's this disparity that confuses when they let you down. They won't care they let you down. But the act might continue as we exhibit a tendancy to forgive and forget and the old charm rears it's head again. You make excuses for their behaviour. They do not relate like normal people at all.

And then there's some really bad ones. Still charming etc. but will repeatedly have you over until you are used up and they move on to their next 'mark'.

I think they think everyone is like them. Hence the fear.

Great post, very well said...unfortunately i too have learned all of this from experience :mad:

But some of them have an achilles heel...they sometimes confuse kindness with weakness...big mistake ;)

This doesnt apply to the elites though, they have Lockheed Martin planes and bombs at their disposal...when you have the best military you can be a psychopath and get away with it :mad:
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[adbasque]

I dont think this guy was ever the sharpest tool in the shed...pres. arent elected they are selected for among other things the ability to follow orders and be a non thinker:)

You're absolutely right, it's irrelevant whether he is sharp or not, because he is told what to say and what to do to the letter.

[ownoiz]

You're absolutely right, it's irrelevant whether he is sharp or not, because he is told what to say and what to do to the letter.

Everybody has their talents...he was good at repeating what that earpiece thingy in his ear would tell him to say come speech time...well most of the time anyway...the mistakes...well Lettermans got to eat too...
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Silvio Dante: Certain aspects of show business and our thing.

[adbasque]

"This guy, dare I say it, seemed likable and light hearted. He even had some charisma and charm about him and responded well to the press"

The psychopaths I think I've known are like this. Popular people, funny, charming, extravagent... and shrewd. Always aware of an angle. Always trying to get one over. Over time you may trust they are your best friend, loyal, true and you forgive the odd inconsistencies...

But at any moment these people can turn their back because none of what you percieve has ever really been present in them. It's an act and in their minds you were weak. They don't relate like most people and it's this disparity that confuses when they let you down. They won't care they let you down. But the act might continue as we exhibit a tendancy to forgive and forget and the old charm rears it's head again. You make excuses for their behaviour. They do not relate like normal people at all.

And then there's some really bad ones. Still charming etc. but will repeatedly have you over until you are used up and they move on to their next 'mark'.

I think they think everyone is like them. Hence the fear.

I'll second that, yes it's true despite thousands of people died by his hands, yet people still looking to find excuses for them.

And yes they are very deceitful, the same with Tony Blair, but to be honest Tony Blair was obvious from day one, especially with his Sh*** smile, you could see him from bradford.

Anyway a politician is :

A good liar
A cold blooded
A good Actor
With no empathy, they can step on your neck to climb, they can use their own mother to get what they want.

They are trained to lie, to deceive, to twist, to swindle, to be evasive, there are techniques, they are fully trained for that.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif

[ownoiz]

And many of them are partial to a Cocaine habit also.
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Anthony 'Tony' Soprano Sr.: Sil, break it down for 'em. What two business have traditionally been recession-proof since time immemorial?

Silvio Dante: Certain aspects of show business and our thing.

[adbasque]

And many of them are partial to a Cocaine habit also.
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Silvio Dante: Certain aspects of show business and our thing.

Not just cocaine they use things we probably never heard of, but these are not excuses.

[creamfields usa]

Well he has been mostly tolerable since he left office unlike the people around him who just won't go away.

[rosix]

you guys are kidding yourselves if you think he was/is CONSCIOUSLY (not conscienciously :P) behind any of the negative situations named in this thread..

[ronisron]

He was raised by a socio/psychopath, and there are some who say Barbara Bush's father is Aleister Crowley

http://www.rense.com/general77/acrow.htm

so he had a very strange, sick and powerful family to begin with. Grandpa Crowley?? :eek: By all accounts he was given everything and earned nothing; all given to him by his father so as to appear to be a real go-getter and a chip off the old block. He was a C student at best, and his Skull and Bones nickname was "Temporary". His brothers, Jeb, Marvin and Neil are very intelligent and extremely devious men in their own right. Jeb controls the lucrative Florida market, Marvin is into securities, and Neil is into savings and loans frauds. George was a party animal, womanizing cokehead who was described by Reagan as a "ne'er do well". He was Governor of Texas, but that was his dad's doing, and Dad was calling all the shots. Many people were put to death in Texas during that time through capital punishment, even some that were proven innocent after the fact. George Sr bought him an interest in the Texas Rangers baseball team, and old family friends got him onboard at Haliburton. We all know both elections that won him the presidency were rigged, so he never actually won a thing.

I've always thought that everything he was given, was done as a really sick inside joke, and partially because of the fact that he was named after his father, out of some sick sense of pride that Senior has. This kind of thing has happened in Roman and British history before, where the idiot child of a tyrant takes over while advisors call all the shots. The Bush's are descended directly from Philip of Macedon, and are cousins of the Queen. It's traditional to them.

I think he's aged massively from poor lifestyle choices, and from all the negative feelings directed his way. He is seen as the worst President in history, with a lower approval rating than Nixon. He ultimately wasn't able to fool anyone into thinking he was a good man that did the right thing, and it can't do him good to know that most people think he alone is responsible for a lot of the planning of 9/11. He being "the most powerful man in the world" at the time and all that. He was a patsy front for one of the worst criminal governments in history. His family is responsible, and his loyalty to them will never waver, so he internalized all of this, and it shows on his outside. Alcohol and drugs don't help to maintain a youthful appearance either.

He's a mess, and this shows there is a conscience in there despite of his upbringing and lineage. IMO.

[metacomet]

Holy crap, that's alot of dirt. Thanks for the scoop, everyone.

[mrindigo]

He was younger 10 years ago, and probably not as stressed out as he was during his Presidency. Some people develop dementia a little earlier than others. It could be him not taking proper care of his body, exercising his brain and body, stress, or all of the above. I won't try and discredit clone theories because I don't have the evidence to say it isn't that. How-ever I do think it's really just a case of him getting old. It happens, and some of us don't enter the silver years gracefully.

[ar20]

I have a theory, go with me on this...

They see us all as dumb stupid sheep, right?

And the elite play with numbers and symbols, mind-control, all the sick evil stuff, right?

Could it be, that all those Bush-isms, where intentional to see how dumb we actually all are?

"Put food on your family"

Cheney in the back snickering away at how stupid the American public is.

"I can't believe they allow a President to get away with all this!"

:eek:

Too far out? Although it would explain how the guy is an eloquent manipulator, a master in disguise... maybe all the stupid stuff was just for him to be labeled and put into perspective.

Ohhhh dumb old Bush.

Nah, nah... MANIACIAL GENIUS.

:D

[nectars]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=22844&dateline=1242668698

[adbasque]

I have a theory, go with me on this...

They see us all as dumb stupid sheep, right?

And the elite play with numbers and symbols, mind-control, all the sick evil stuff, right?

Could it be, that all those Bush-isms, where intentional to see how dumb we actually all are?

"Put food on your family"

Cheney in the back snickering away at how stupid the American public is.

"I can't believe they allow a President to get away with all this!"

:eek:

Too far out? Although it would explain how the guy is an eloquent manipulator, a master in disguise... maybe all the stupid stuff was just for him to be labeled and put into perspective.

Ohhhh dumb old Bush.

Nah, nah... MANIACIAL GENIUS.

:D

Of course it was deliberate, and also daddy pulls strings, daddy is a big man, but the Elite as you said, put a complete idiot as a president, but another thing we all must not forget.

A Politician is an Actor, so his role is to play dumb and to see how dumb people can get.

Even people from his own party believe he was dumb and stupid.
but that doesn't excuse him for what he did.

[beldazar]

I dont think this guy was ever the sharpest tool in the shed...pres. arent elected they are selected for among other things the ability to follow orders and be a non thinker:)

I dont agree with you, he had a sharp wit sometimes...
I believe that he was one of those who does have a conscience and perhaps he was fighting his programming.
I do also believe that there are certain people with no conscience, I just dont think he is one of them

[kiwimaj]

Reagan ended up with dementia and was going the same was as GW is (as shown on the vid) My immediate impression when I started watching was dementia.

I think it was Alex Jones who said that the last real president was JFK..since then it has been a succession of susceptible puppets..:rolleyes:

[adbasque]

Reagan ended up with dementia and was going the same was as GW is (as shown on the vid) My immediate impression when I started watching was dementia.

I think it was Alex Jones who said that the last real president was JFK..since then it has been a succession of susceptible puppets..:rolleyes:

I want to clear something here, Yes JFK had something most US presidents didn't have, it was conscience, and he did a U turn, that's why he got killed

Because you don't become a president until they've checked you out first, and you agree to their rules, he betrayed them if you like.

He wanted to do good things.

Because he was a member of the freemason too

[leviathanstaar]

All deliberate.

G W Bush is a genious.

And yes Cheney must have had a hoot at the number of times he revealed the enemy is the people and that they are in fact terrorists.

[adbasque]

All deliberate.

G W Bush is a genious.

And yes Cheney must have had a hoot at the number of times he revealed the enemy is the people and that they are in fact terrorists.

I wouldn't say he is a genius, but the people behind him were clever

[arty2000]

I dont agree with you, he had a sharp wit sometimes...
I believe that he was one of those who does have a conscience and perhaps he was fighting his programming.
I do also believe that there are certain people with no conscience, I just dont think he is one of them

be correct but I would say that actions speak louder than words...see behind the occasional humor and wittiness;)

[adbasque]

I dont agree with you, he had a sharp wit sometimes...
I believe that he was one of those who does have a conscience and perhaps he was fighting his programming.
I do also believe that there are certain people with no conscience, I just dont think he is one of them

Come on beldazar;

Bush has a conscience? you got a be kidding
he never fought anything, he was an evil man just like his daddy, dick cheney and all of their masters.

If he is not one of them I honestly don't know who is then, what more do you need?

Come on man, you're being naive, he is a snake and careless about human life, he worships satan, how can you expect him to have a conscience?

[size_of_light]

He was not the man you know him as before his candidacy for President of the U.S. So what changed?

He used to be intelligent, a quick-thinker and looked nearly 20 years younger than he does today - and this was not very long ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvVilAlCBYc

Do you really think it was alcohol that did this?
I don't.

The clip from ten years ago shows a buffoon flawlessly reading from a teleprompter.

The later clip shows a buffoon who can't think on his feet and form coherent, meaningful statements on his own.

No different to a comparison of Obama with and without his autocue.

[beldazar]

Come on beldazar;

Bush has a conscience? you got a be kidding
he never fought anything, he was an evil man just like his daddy, dick cheney and all of their masters.

If he is not one of them I honestly don't know who is then, what more do you need?

Come on man, you're being naive, he is a snake and careless about human life, he worships satan, how can you expect him to have a conscience?

Just sharing my opinion, got a problem with that? :rolleyes:

[adbasque]

Just sharing my opinion, got a problem with that? :rolleyes:

Just debating got a problem with that? :p

Of course you are free to express your opinion, I was just replying to your opinion with mine, got a problem with that? :D

[beldazar]

Of course you are free to express your opinion, I was just replying to your opinion with mine, got a problem with that? :D

No, lol :D

[majorlee]

Yes every human has a conscience, but if you drown it, it means you're no longer have one.

And how do we know that the Satanic rituals won't have an effect on them?
Their conscious goes out of the window.


consciousness is like a muscle if you dont use it then it will atrophy and die, but he is only human and has been brought up to act like this....

maybe if his conditioing was different he would have been a funny, loveable and gentle man, not enough love from pops i expect!

[michael christopher]

Come on beldazar;

Bush has a conscience? you got a be kidding
he never fought anything, he was an evil man just like his daddy, dick cheney and all of their masters.

If he is not one of them I honestly don't know who is then, what more do you need?

Come on man, you're being naive, he is a snake and careless about human life, he worships satan, how can you expect him to have a conscience?

Everyone has a conscience. "Drowning it out" does not mean killing it, it means ignoring it, as I explained earlier.

You cannot really kill a part of your being. Bush is not a plant that simply grows up out of the ground. The fact that he has autonomy to pick something up off the ground means he has a conscience.

Some people would like the world to be black and white and to believe that tyrants are just thoroughly evil to the 100th percent, but it doesn't work that way. Good people have a great deal of evil capabilities, and evil people have a great deal of good capabilities. Just because Bush doesn't use his conscience for good, does not mean it doesn't exist.

It probably tortures him coming up with egotistical defenses for his actions, because in the back of his mind, no matter how faint, his consciousness is whispering to him "Stop lying to yourself."

[adbasque]

Everyone has a conscience. "Drowning it out" does not mean killing it, it means ignoring it, as I explained earlier.

You cannot really kill a part of your being. Bush is not a plant that simply grows up out of the ground. The fact that he has autonomy to pick something up off the ground means he has a conscience.

Some people would like the world to be black and white and to believe that tyrants are just thoroughly evil to the 100th percent, but it doesn't work that way. Good people have a great deal of evil capabilities, and evil people have a great deal of good capabilities. Just because Bush doesn't use his conscience for good, does not mean it doesn't exist.

It probably tortures him coming up with egotistical defenses for his actions, because in the back of his mind, no matter how faint, his consciousness is whispering to him "Stop lying to yourself."

if anyone has a conscience and doesn't use it, to me as if he doesn't.
yes we are all tempted by the devil on doing things, but we must fight it, in that case let's forgive all the criminals and the killers, shall we?

Because they couldn't help it, it wasn't really their fault, I know he is a man, I know he is only human, I know he probably cares about his family and relatives.

But I will not find any excuses for him, he is an evil man and that's it, I am not going to pretend now that he has a conscience or has a heart.

he is nothing but a merciless cold blooded killer, millions of people died because of him, they didn't bloody ask for it, they didn't want to be killed.

In this case let's forgive the Zionist too, who are killing Palestinians, they must have a conscience too, while we are at it, let's forgive the Nazis during the second world war and forgive Hitler.

Hitler was a family man too, he must have had conscience while executing people left right a centre.

[adbasque]

consciousness is like a muscle if you dont use it then it will atrophy and die, but he is only human and has been brought up to act like this....

maybe if his conditioing was different he would have been a funny, loveable and gentle man, not enough love from pops i expect!

I am sorry, this is no excuse, that's what makes us human beings, we have a brain, we can tell between wrong and right, we must fight our ego, we must fight our selfishness.

I don't understand why is everybody suddenly trying to find excuses for this guy, I never heard anyone volunteering to find excuses for Hitler, for Saddam Hussein, for any other dictator.

They are human too, they have their own families they care about, it wasn't really their fault, was it?, maybe it's the way they were brought up too.

He is a cold blooded killer who doesn't give a monkeys if he kills 1, 100, 1000, or 1000 000, I don't care less about whether he has a conscience or not.

With a conscience like his, who needs a devil?

[arty2000]

Just debating got a problem with that? :p

Of course you are free to express your opinion, I was just replying to your opinion with mine, got a problem with that? :D

is there an echo in hear...:D

[adbasque]

is there an echo in hear...:D

Lol a small one yes :D since they moved all the furniture out

[metacomet]

The clip from ten years ago shows a buffoon flawlessly reading from a teleprompter.


Are you serious?

I wasn't aware candidates were allowed teleprompters during debates...

they have to actually memorize their rhetoric. This is how it's done in America, at least....

Point being the 'younger' G.W. could spit his rhetoric at a phenomenal capacity compared to the G.W. that just left office.

[majorlee]

I am sorry, this is no excuse, that's what makes us human beings, we have a brain, we can tell between wrong and right, we must fight our ego, we must fight our selfishness.

I don't understand why is everybody suddenly trying to find excuses for this guy, I never heard anyone volunteering to find excuses for Hitler, for Saddam Hussein, for any other dictator.

They are human too, they have their own families they care about, it wasn't really their fault, was it?, maybe it's the way they were brought up too.

He is a cold blooded killer who doesn't give a monkeys if he kills 1, 100, 1000, or 1000 000, I don't care less about whether he has a conscience or not.

With a conscience like his, who needs a devil?


we are all the same, we are one, everyone can make up for there bad actions if they want to do good after being bad - i would love to find alternative sides of Hitler, Saddam, Stalin, Churchill... the list goes on

but we are human, we make mistakes, sometimes its too late when we realise this

use your conscious and CARE about these people, its because so many people dont use this part of brain is why were are swimming in the shit now!

[adbasque]

we are all the same, we are one, everyone can make up for there bad actions if they want to do good after being bad - i would love to find alternative sides of Hitler, Saddam, Stalin, Churchill... the list goes on

Yes we all make mistakes, but there are mistakes from mistakes, I am sorry we don't all make the same kind of mistakes, these people knew what they were doing before even starting, and yet they went ahead and did them.


but we are human, we make mistakes, sometimes its too late when we realise this
Yes we are all human, that's true, but we are also different.

the least we could do is to come out and say sorry and mean it, these people didn't say sorry, and they still doing it and if he comes back to power he'll do it all over again


use your conscious and CARE about these people, its because so many people dont use this part of brain is why were are swimming in the shit now!

They are the example.

Nobody is born with these evil deeds, we cultivate them as we grow and most of us were taught those things.
but we have a brain to think and distinguish between right and wrong.
I can't blame a child, but i will blame an adult unless the latter is insane I mean clinically proved insane.

[flickflack]

Point being the 'younger' G.W. could spit his rhetoric at a phenomenal capacity compared to the G.W. that just left office.

He has gotten older...