Apocalypto

[chester]

My sons rented this movie - I watched a little of it (could not take much to be honest).

What struck me hard and the reason I decided to post about this is - well, it seems to me that we are well aware of all the horrors going on daily.

What purpose could a movie like this serve for anyone? Are so many of us so damn blood thirsty that enough actually pay money to watch something like this? It is real, real hard for me to understand it. I cannot understand how anyone could watch anything like this, much less make a movie like this. This Mel guy must be a real sicko.

It blows my mind what kind of world we could have as opposed to the one we got. I search inside myself to try and find what part of me too is responsible as it seems to me I wouldn't be here if I also did not have some of this sickness within myself.

I apologize - I am a bit depressed and this movie really brought it out of me.

[friendsinthesky]

Anyone who hasn't watched the movie but intends to, then don't read my post.


I liked the movie, it was adventurous, violent, playing with your emotions (but don't let that bother you) BUt BUT, the ending was interesting, when the ships brought what to the land, "soldiers" "religion" "dictatorship" Hmmmm....didn't they do that to the rest of the world.

[armoured saint]

Mel Gibson is an apologist for the Vatican. We know of the Jesuit, Spanish disgrace of it's brutal and violent conquest of the Americas. He wants to graphically show that it was done because of the human sacrifice.

Regardless of his agenda, I empathise with his belief about Zionism (British Israelism). They, along with northern europeans brutally trashed northern America.

[tickles]

I like his movies :o
Especially Signs and Conspiracy Theory oh and can't forget Mad Max! :D

[armoured saint]

Signs.......Most ludicrous ending.

You have some vast intelligence coming to earth displaying clever signs, being lofty, spooky and superior behaving. They then seem to proceed with conquering all of earth. You have to be pretty intelligent to do that.

Enter last scene.

A frikken naked alien holding his kid. Not only is he naked but he seems to be unarmed and very unevolved looking, frothing and slavvering like a dog with rabies just standing there looking at our good friend Mel. Did this person do those clever signs or is that supposed to be God or something....

Seriously.... A chimpanzee would have been more threatening with a hint of some intelligence.

Thank God for water. Halelujah!

[tickles]

Shit, and i thought it was just a movie :D

[armoured saint]

Shit, and i thought it was just a movie :D

Well, you are permitted to think. Piece of shit stories need their critics.

Otherwise, food for the mind, we may as well eat shit on a plate and enjoy it.

[tickles]

Each to their own lady. Each to their own...

[thirdwave]

I thought it was great .... that is how these people were back then... or at least the ones that went off on this tanjent and murdering people in the name of Kukalkan...


it was very dark at times... but i don't think you gain light and peace by ignoring the dark..... its how you react that counts.

[phoebe]

My sons rented this movie - I watched a little of it (could not take much to be honest).

What struck me hard and the reason I decided to post about this is - well, it seems to me that we are well aware of all the horrors going on daily.

What purpose could a movie like this serve for anyone? Are so many of us so damn blood thirsty that enough actually pay money to watch something like this? It is real, real hard for me to understand it. I cannot understand how anyone could watch anything like this, much less make a movie like this. This Mel guy must be a real sicko.

It blows my mind what kind of world we could have as opposed to the one we got. I search inside myself to try and find what part of me too is responsible as it seems to me I wouldn't be here if I also did not have some of this sickness within myself.

I apologize - I am a bit depressed and this movie really brought it out of me.

I thought the movie portrayed extremely well what may have happened to a tribe of people during the reign of the Mayan kings.
Yes, it is graphically violent.
But then, ritual sacrifices are graphically violent.
Those things actually happened to people.
The Mayan priests sacrificed hundreds of thousands of people, tore their beating hearts from their bodies.
Gibson's The Passion of Christ almost made me physically sick during the scourging scene, and I'm a horror movie fan... it completely knocked me for six and I had to leave the room.
But...
This is the point (or at least one of the points) of both Apocalypto and Passion of Christ.
To show, with some degree of realism, what may have happened...
Nay - DID happen to lots of people during the Roman times and Mayan times (and every other period in history, to be honest).

To me, Apocalypto showed that the people were manipulated by megalomaniac kings/priests who used fear to control the people and keep them slaving away building temples etc whilst they themselves lived in luxury (sound familiar?)
These kings/priests had knowledge that the common people did not.
This is portrayed in the film.
The Mayan priests knew that the solar eclipse was just the moon passing in front of the sun but led the people to believe it was the gods showing appeasement... until next time.
The people were so fearful of the gods' vengeance should they not provide blood for them, that they did their masters bidding, gleefully rounding up as many people as possible to be sacrificed... lest it might be them next time.
What a perfect method of control.

Apart from that, I thought the cinematography and makeup/costumes were absolutely fantastic.
And that the actors each learnt all their lines in the Yucutan language was also very classy.
It was a joy to watch from beginning to end.
Made all the more hardhitting because you know that this actually happened to people only a few hundred years ago.

Regardless of the agenda of the Director, this is a violent film, but the violence isn't gratuitous.
It is there to put across the voracity with which the Mayans sacrificed people.
The film is an 18 (R) certificate, and is labelled as having scenes of graphic violence and disturbing images, which should have warned you about the film's content.

[narcolepticwatchman]

I saw it and thought it was alright.........like all of Gibsons movies it was very 'hollywood'

All this panic at the end when Jaguar Paw has to save his wife who is in the hole when the rains come on............surely a flood in the hole was the easiest way to get outta there!

[phoebe]

All this panic at the end when Jaguar Paw has to save his wife who is in the hole when the rains come on............surely a flood in the hole was the easiest way to get outta there!

lol
Good point!
Didn't think of that...
:)

[e7304]

I thought it was great. It highlighted the control of the Mayan priests and as Phoebe states, their brutality.

But it was too "hollywoody"....could have had a lot more grit.

Interesting that Gibson picked a timeline when the Maya were in basically a shocking state after their fall from an obvious highly developed civilisation to one of gross cruelty and degenerate customs ie fear, panic hence sacrifice to appease their god/s.The ending creates the beginning of an "appocalypse" for the Maya themselves as another god and its "evil" followers cause havoc. Dont know if Mel saw it that way though, but may have been to show the irony.

I dont think it was "sick"....seen a lot more sick movies than this.

[chester]

Thanks everyone, got me to realize I was just having a very depressed day... My kids handled it much better than i did (the youngest is 11).

Anyway, I should not have made those comments about Gibson.

Regards, friends

[cruise4]

Regarding entertainment programs in general...

I saw a Dr Who thread somewhere recently which inspired me to download the last series and take a look. I have also watched Jericho (very good), which I don't think has appeared in the UK, and lately The 4400. Then we have The Matrix and 13th Floor and numerous others.

The point is these programs are basically mirroring everything that NWO conspirators are up to... in detail.

What is going on? Is it just a pre-emptive strike against our message or what?

I can see a reason to PM me on this one. Feel free.

[e7304]

"Thanks everyone, got me to realize I was just having a very depressed day... My kids handled it much better than i did (the youngest is 11).

Anyway, I should not have made those comments about Gibson.

Regards, friends"

Hey Chester

This is what forums are for....get things off your chest and see what others think......think of it as "group therapy" or just a chance to rant.

Be cool dont worry.

[e7304]

Regarding entertainment programs in general...

I saw a Dr Who thread somewhere recently which inspired me to download the last series and take a look. I have also watched Jericho (very good), which I don't think has appeared in the UK, and lately The 4400. Then we have The Matrix and 13th Floor and numerous others.

The point is these programs are basically mirroring everything that NWO conspirators are up to... in detail.

What is going on? Is it just a pre-emptive strike against our message or what?

I can see a reason to PM me on this one. Feel free.

Well I have constantly heard over the years that Hollywood is a brainwashing factory, to put it bluntly. Even the name "hollywood" has esoteric meanings.

Propaganda re ww2 that hollywood put out during the war, plus the allied movie sudios showed the understanding of the effects of movies and the Germans did the same.

We only have to see programs (nice terminology dont you think) like "24" to see what the message is the producers are trying to get across and even some British shows are getting more "aggresive" with the "terrorism=muslims" plot. Other "programs" are shows on border security (popular here in Oz) and airport security, police type reality shows. Briainwashing for whats to come??

To me these are to "prepare our minds" for whats coming up. No Doubt.

Hollywood especially has been "inside" the promotion of the de sensitised population and decadence of the last 40 years, and can only be seen as a powerful media for "change".

Then there are movies like "1984" that was based on a popular book, which I feel was either a warning or a blatant "this is what we are going to do to you so you better get used to it" type of scenario. So much has been written above Orwell's connections to the "elite".Then we have something like the Matrix...who knows??...that movie seemed to have so many levels and as far as I am concerned was a surprise to the Hollywood moguls that the 2 brothers had to come up with sequels so quick that they were rubbish.

We have to remember that the spoken word was the first "revolutionary" weapon, then books which could be distributed far and wide, and for the last 100 years, movies.

Whoever has control of them , really does control the population. If you ever watch MSM news "programs" today, the "factual" reporting of events last about 20-30 seconds at best. Then we have Paris Hilton/Victoria Becham/Linsay Lohan etc for a longer period. (or maybe I just see it that way).

Sorry , so YES it could be pre-emptive strike by desensitizing the population. Showing everyone (with pure arrogance) what is in store. If thats what you were alluding too. Getting too late here and I am going to have to crash.

BUT

After 911, I was talking to a group of people, who responded when I brought up the chance it was an inside job as "yeah we know". I asked if they were angry or upset by the media reports and politicians etc and it was just a "yeah...so what...life goes on". THIS is the product of desenitisation.... and when I mentioned "the lone gunman" episode re the trade towers, they knew of it or had seen it. I was shocked by the lack of outrage.

Im sure that there must have been a thread or 2 on Hollywood''s role in shaping our opinions, especially the NWO.

Be good if anyone has some links.

Good night...sleep tight.

[oceanwave]

the Greek word apokalypto (ἀποκαλύπτω) is actually a verb meaning 'uncover; disclose, reveal'

from an interesting article HERE (http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003868.html)

...make of it what you will

[cruise4]

Spoilers ahead

In case anyone doesn't know:

Dr Who... The Master arrives on earth in true Antichrist fashion supported by end time human brains within flying mechanical spheres who wipe out sections of the population on demand.

The 4400... The 4400 movement led by Collier finds a predictive book about how they will bring a golden Age to humanity. They are opposed by 12 beings from the future known as 'the marked' who have a cross behind their left ear. These future concousness's are implanted into vatican members, politicians and such.

Jericho... 15, I think, nukes go off in US cities. Its an inside job or at least by some independant US organisation. After regional independances occur US flags are seen in reverse (ie. The stars are at the bottom). The breakdown of society and the FEMA camp horrors are exposed.