People are so hard to wake up...

[logic unfolded]

Had this convo with my friend on msn a min ago. (I'm TD)



Thomas says: (17:23:02)
i still tihnk you should try and prepare youself for if society collapses
Thomas says: (17:23:04)
when rather
Thomas says: (17:23:07)
why dont u do that?
TD says: (17:23:22)
if i had the money i would do
TD says: (17:23:36)
like i said before, i don't know yet how it will collapse
Thomas says: (17:23:36)
u dont really need money do u?
TD says: (17:23:43)
so how can u prepare that well
Thomas says: (17:24:12)
i dont understand how u can know somethings going to happen without knowing why
TD says: (17:24:18)
pandemic, war, threat of war, economy crashing, global pole shift / earth changes/disruption/disasters
Thomas says: (17:24:39)
how are these things related?
TD says: (17:24:50)
because i believe fundamentally that the people who run the show are corrupt and want to reduce world population
Thomas says: (17:25:14)
the illuminati? zionist conspiracy?
TD says: (17:25:19)
they are related apart from earth changes/disasters
TD says: (17:25:27)
yes...
TD says: (17:25:34)
pretty much
TD says: (17:26:29)
the world isn't what u think it is :P
TD says: (17:26:49)
certain powerful people have been corrupted by that power and have maintained it for generations
TD says: (17:27:13)
they want one world government
TD says: (17:27:27)
the collectivists
TD says: (17:27:44)
centralisation of power etc.
TD says: (17:27:51)
the EU is the begining
TD says: (17:28:23)
but in order for people to give up freedoms and think this ideaology is a good one - they need to be coerced into thinking its the only solution
TD says: (17:28:42)
what better way to motivate people than fear?
TD says: (17:29:10)
fear of losing money? their place in society? fear of losing family members, fear of terrorists, fear of war, fear of a pandemic
TD says: (17:29:15)
dear speaks volumes
TD says: (17:29:19)
fear*
TD says: (17:29:45)
or maybe a staged UFO innovation, if they have the tech (which they do)
TD says: (17:30:15)
that would work :P even reagan said it in a speech "what better way to unite the world under one government than the threat of that from another world"
Thomas says: (17:30:48)
how do you know all this stuff?
TD says: (17:31:21)
research
Thomas says: (17:31:43)
credible sources?
TD says: (17:31:50)
probs not in your eyes
Thomas says: (17:32:01)
why do you think theyre credible?
TD says: (17:32:15)
because credibility is distroyed by those who don't want the truth known to the public
TD says: (17:32:45)
scientists etc throughout history have had lies and slander and been discredited by the majority
TD says: (17:33:26)
new ways of thinking that go against the tech/reality they want you to see (the fake reality, that we are free etc) are flattened.
TD says: (17:33:50)
by the media - which is controlled. and by paid off scientists / paid discreditors
TD says: (17:34:30)
people are even killed by agent members (especially in the US) if they stumble upon certain things
TD says: (17:34:39)
such as free energy / cold fusion
TD says: (17:34:46)
or threatened by men in black suits
TD says: (17:35:00)
there are stories all over the internet
Thomas says: (17:35:11)
must be true then
TD says: (17:35:18)
predictable response
TD says: (17:35:36)
put all your faith in newspapers and the news and media/tv - and you sell yourself short
TD says: (17:35:54)
its controlled.
TD says: (17:36:27)
if u want to take freedoms away and make one world government u had better control the media / public opinion
Thomas says: (17:36:38)
do you truly believe this?
TD says: (17:36:41)
also rewrite history
TD says: (17:36:52)
for instance the US let japan bomb pearl harbour
TD says: (17:37:03)
and they elt themselves be dragged into the 1st world war as well
TD says: (17:37:22)
all covered up of coruse
TD says: (17:37:37)
and all for means of gaining power
TD says: (17:37:49)
people pulling the strings investing at the right time, in weapons, arms, etc
TD says: (17:37:57)
then starting wars or going to war
TD says: (17:38:11)
and pandemic situation...
TD says: (17:38:17)
invest in glaxosmith ;)
TD says: (17:38:46)
look on their news on thier site now many vaccination shots they have been commisiioned by various EU countires to synthesise
TD says: (17:38:56)
and yes I do generally believe all of this
TD says: (17:40:32)
Mr. Gaither say to Mr. Dodd, "Would you be interested in knowing what we do here at the Ford Foundation?" And, of course, Mr. Dodd says, "Yes! That’s exactly why I’m here. I would be very interested, sir." Then, without any prodding at all,
TD says: (17:40:46)
Gaither says, "Mr. Dodd, we operate in response to directives, the substance of which is that we shall use our grant making power to alter life in the United States so that it can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union."
TD says: (17:41:02)
Then he says to Gaither, "Well, sir, you can do anything you please with your grant making powers, but don’t you think you have an obligation to make a disclosure to the American people? You enjoy tax exemption, which is an indirect way of saying you are subsidized by the taxpayer, so, why don’t you tell the Congress and the American people what you just told me?" And Gaither replies,
TD says: (17:41:09)
"We would never dream of doing such a thing."
Thomas says: (17:41:22)
wtf is this ?
TD says: (17:41:27)
---- that was the original plan
Thomas says: (17:41:42)
this is total madness
TD says: (17:41:44)
1954, Ford Foundation in New York
Thomas says: (17:41:45)
g2g now
Thomas says: (17:41:45)
bye
TD says: (17:42:05)
lmao
TD says: (17:42:21)
makes perfect sense if u actually think and look into things
TD says: (17:42:25)
u are the mad one in my eyes
TD says: (17:42:33)
cya


Think that's fairly standard reaction from a few people I spoke to. It's a shame, the main problem is they don't do any research themselves, take the mainstream media as gospel, and anything that goes against public/mainstream opinion is shunned/ignored/discredited.

Exactly what the powers that be want I guess :(

Still, it is a shame that the majority of people are so programmed or conditioned they can't break free from the illusion.

I'm probs not the best at arguing my point either...

[devanshoom]

try burning your mate a copy of "wake up call"...that often does the trick.

You can talk till u are blue in the face mate most of the time it wont cut much ice.

[void]

Hmm, I'm not so sure that was a "conversation"

Thomas Spoke about 11 times, and TD spoke about 50 times.

People wake up when they've had enough sleep, and 'want' to wake up (imo).

Alarm clocks tend to make people cranky and do people quite a bit of harm.

And I use "waking up" to mean all manner of things. Addictions, Ideas, Self understanding etc.

[catfood]

People wake up when they've had enough sleep, and 'want' to wake up (imo).

Alarm clocks tend to make people cranky and do people quite a bit of harm.

And I use "waking up" to mean all manner of things. Addictions, Ideas, Self understanding etc.

Best post of the day.

[devanshoom]

Best post of the day.

good post but not entirely correct.

[paradise_1000]

People take the term of waking up and reflect it on their own personal level just because you preach about what you know DO NOT expect people to suddenly jump up and go though an awakening to truth like you did ?


Do not get disheartened all you can do is plant seeds ! for a persons waking up to the reality that we live in it is a personal journey :)


What you do not want to do is come across as a fundamentalist it puts people off


Plant a subtle seed and it will grow and pollinate next thing you know a whole field will grow :cool:

[cafetimes1991]

Tried to show a fellow student some quotes (by FDR, a Rothschild etc) but he refused to listen or read them himslef. I could have shouted them at him, but he just would have put his fingers in his ears and gone "LALALALALALALA". Sigh.

[arty2000]

Hmm, I'm not so sure that was a "conversation"

Thomas Spoke about 11 times, and TD spoke about 50 times.

People wake up when they've had enough sleep, and 'want' to wake up (imo).

Alarm clocks tend to make people cranky and do people quite a bit of harm.

And I use "waking up" to mean all manner of things. Addictions, Ideas, Self understanding etc.

words have been spoken:)

[smoke n mirrors]

Can I have just another five minutes please, I'm so comfy here.

Don't beat yourself up...as has been said already people will only wakeup when they are ready.

I think you lost him at the whole ford monologue. :eek:

The conversation does have a familiar ring to it...your not alone.

Enjoy the ride,

[noesis]

I share your pain. I'd be happy if people just had enough intelligence to consider another opinion/option/point of view. My colleagues are well-aware of my feelings on climate change. I had a convo with one the other day about the IPCC and how they only peer review pro climate change papers and she said "no they dont" and that was the end of it. She's an intelligent person but refuses to consider that there are other answers out there than what we are told by the ptb/msm.

Another example. Another collleague of mine has a really weak immune system, always sick and has chronic asthma. I suggested that she didnt have the flu vaccine because of x, y, z and she went ahead and had it anyway. She has been sick ever since, even been in hospital, so i gave her a heap of well-balanced info on what goes into the vaccine, how they make it and she was horrified and said "i'm not having it next year". Last week she was away three days chronically ill again and when she came back i said jokingly "you def wont be having that flu shot next year." She said "i dont know, it's probably best to have it than not."

I'm at a point now where i think if people dont want to free their minds, learn, consider other pov then i'm leaving them be. Are we under any obligation to 'wake people up'?

[simplysimon]

Here's an analogy!

Each time we "touch" someone that's asleep, we move their alarm clock forward a few minutes :)

[noesis]

Here's an analogy!

Each time we "touch" someone that's asleep, we move their alarm clock forward a few minutes :)

I like :)

[arty2000]

Here's an analogy!

Each time we "touch" someone that's asleep, we move their alarm clock forward a few minutes :)

they keep hitting the snooze button:p
but thats okay if they want to sleep in:)

[crystal genesis]

I don't try to wake anyone up except for people that
I see open minded enough to at least consider these things as possibilities.

[beldazar]

I had that today when I bumped into an ex-boyfriend. I mentioned the vaccine programme and he said it had saved thousands of lives and that 7/7 bombings were carried out bt Al Qaeda, a certain faction of muslems. He didnt want to even know what brought me to my conclusions...
I tried my best but although he didnt say it, I know he thinks Im crazy, oh well :rolleyes:
Im just glad Im not with him any more :p

On a good note, Ive had the most amazing time with somewhere I go quite regularly, nearly everyone I speak to is nearly there, its been mind-blowing really :)

[fekdemasons]

Its like trying to tell a kid that santa doesn't exist.

They need to hold onto the belief , otherwise their coping mechanism goes haywire.

At my lads birthday party the other day I dropped a bombshell on some of the kids mums about amalgam fillings having mercury in them.

Two or three of them looked like they'd seen a ghost. proper crapping their pants.

Its ok I said , look at mine (I have six of the bastards) .

Then they all rolled thier eyes at each other.

[paradise_1000]

Its like trying to tell a kid that santa doesn't exist.

They need to hold onto the belief , otherwise their coping mechanism goes haywire.

At my lads birthday party the other day I dropped a bombshell on some of the kids mums about amalgam fillings having mercury in them.

Two or three of them looked like they'd seen a ghost. proper crapping their pants.

Its ok I said , look at mine (I have six of the bastards) .

Then they all rolled thier eyes at each other.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/Rostafari/13855.jpg

thats all they want :(

[redskywalker]

I feel almost obliged to try and expose as much truth to those I love and care for as possible. I try to steer conversations with others outwith my inner group. I try my best to deconstruct everything my children are "taught" which is the hardest by far. Aside from that. Does anyone know offhand just when and where the notion was formed that it was a good idea to lie to our children and invent a jolly figure who sneaks into their house one night to leave presents?
I know the red and black one is a coca cola invention from around the same time as disneys mickey mouse, but I don't know where the whole lying to kids thing came from. And why does that one feel really creepy and dark but the tooth fairy doesn't, or is that just me? :o
Abundant joy, love and light, red

[kappy0405]

The most effective way to convince people is to use the elites own words..

David Rockefeller has pretty much admitted that he wants World Government, and that he uses his families influence in politics to push for it.

He has also publicly thanked the major msm directors for keeping it secret ('promises of discretion' in his own words)

Use quotes and once they grasp that, start explaining how they have obtained this influence.. Mention the Federal Reserve, and how they've used that leverage (debt) to lobby governments and influence policies. Then get into how Rockefeller is basically the main man behind the Round Table secret societies that discuss this shit behind closed doors. If people can't grasp all this, which is absolute undeniable fact, they are basically beyond help... and ofcourse it takes time.

I've made a lot of progress with many people over the last few months.. people who originally thought I was crazy that I now find repeating some of the things I told them months ago! We need to stick to the facts, rather than just saying 'the media is controlled' or 'so and so want world government'. Instead of saying all that, show them why we believe this.

Honestly, there are a lot of theories talked about on this messageboard, but the New World Order agenda is in no way comparable to those. It has been proven beyond any shadow of doubt. Alls we need to do is spread the documentation & data that proves it until people see it without having to look for it.

[vladmir]

lol a lot of people think that they are their person, (freeman insights)
and have never known that if they experiment in dropping their small mental identity,
they wont loose their individuality,
infact, they will still be an individual,
but much more expanded mentally, and much more free.

Of course, some people fear freedom, what can i tell ya.

[burnttoast]

Does anyone know offhand just when and where the notion was formed that it was a good idea to lie to our children and invent a jolly figure who sneaks into their house one night to leave presents?


Here's a link:

How Odin Became Santa Claus (http://www.realmagick.com/articles/14/2014.html)

Cheers

[redskywalker]

Thanks for that link. :) I understand the corruption over time and the mixing of faiths etc. to control us by presenting a united image for mass consumption, but I still don't understand how we ever fixated this on our own children and then by some sort of osmosis all agreed to tell them lies. It's just so bizarre and really cruel and positions the parents in the role of great deceiver. (back to my hatred of disney ~ The whole santa claus is coming and you must be asleep for this to work, just smacks of a disney creation where we are told to suspend disbelief for a given period and for our troubles get a sucker punch blow that causes pain, sadness, grief, shock, misery and an overwhelming sense of betrayal at the end because it just wasn't as nice as you had hoped, the message was twisted and you know you could have made almost the same film but without trying to make the children cry at the 37th minute {or whatever minute it is in them all} ~ I must check and see if there is an actual time signature through all the films for these emotional plays ~ but the pattern is in every single one of their films)

[bard]

No one will wake up unless they are truly ready.
But they all can wonder about the meaning of some things. Let them think.
Do not give them all the answers, it is not much fun, and they will resist anyway.

Here is a good start. Show the one-dollar bill to one of these non-believers and
ask them simply to count (steps, feathers, occurrences of the word "one", etc.), ask them to take a magnifying glass and find that little owl lurking in the corner.
Let them think.

http://www.lebjournal.com/newz/wp-content/final19951snb05040302y.jpg

[runlikehell]

Had this convo with my friend on msn a min ago. (I'm TD)


Think that's fairly standard reaction from a few people I spoke to. It's a shame, the main problem is they don't do any research themselves, take the mainstream media as gospel, and anything that goes against public/mainstream opinion is shunned/ignored/discredited.

Exactly what the powers that be want I guess

Still, it is a shame that the majority of people are so programmed or conditioned they can't break free from the illusion.

I'm probs not the best at arguing my point either...



try burning your mate a copy of "wake up call"...that often does the trick.



Hmm, I'm not so sure that was a "conversation"

Thomas Spoke about 11 times, and TD spoke about 50 times.

People wake up when they've had enough sleep, and 'want' to wake up (imo).



Try a Blast of these! then speak to someone.........







http://www.henrys.co.uk/PA/megapgone.jpg

http://dsp.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p1797594p275w.jpg

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Enough to wake up! even the most deepest of sleepers! :p

[biosonico]

I had somewhat of an awkward experience today with my friend and his girlfriend, i had explianed him the truth about the swine flu, weather manipulation and global conspiracy stuff, and today i found out they've been secretly laughing behind my back when they brought it up mockingly, heck he's still not convinced at the 9/11 hoax even after watching zeitgeist.

I don't really think i wasted my time, but my talk might have served as point of view they might consider in the future.

[cheeney1]

Why bother waking people up,its impossible on deaf ears, If The silly Masses want to believe in Fairy Tales thats there problem, I Cheeney1 say Fuck em

They Can Cook in there own Juices when everything turns to Custard,:cool:

[beldazar]

I don't really think i wasted my time, but my talk might have served as point of view they might consider in the future.

Thata true. As I said in my last post, the ex-boyfriend was left with the idea that I had lost it, Im not at all bothered as one day he will find out for himself.
It is pretty amazing that people you have known for years think that suddenly you have caught some kind of lunatics disease...:rolleyes:

Hang in there biosonico, you sound pretty level-headed and we are with you ;)

[ex sheep]

I've just been for a sauna, and I was listening to 2 guys talking,
very money orientated, guy 1 said he knows where there is a house for sale that's been repossessed and it going for £13,000, but the only thing is the fucking owners broke into the house to get some belongings and trashes the walls/ doors etc, so he was advising guy 2 to buy.
Then they went on about the interest rate being so low and the latest injection of cash to the banks should pick up the economy now, then they went on about their shares and isas' and buying new cars etc.
All I did was observe, and I thought to myself, no I'm not even going to try here, these guys were completely into the system, it actually gave me a headache just listening to them, just like the TV does.

[citroen999]

People wake up when they've had enough sleep, and 'want' to wake up (imo).

Alarm clocks tend to make people cranky and do people quite a bit of harm.

And I use "waking up" to mean all manner of things. Addictions, Ideas, Self understanding etc.

yes but alarm clocks have the best invention since sliced bread.. the snooze button!! so you can turn yourself off for 10 mins then try again :p

[edible]

People take the term of waking up and reflect it on their own personal level just because you preach about what you know DO NOT expect people to suddenly jump up and go though an awakening to truth like you did ?


Do not get disheartened all you can do is plant seeds ! for a persons waking up to the reality that we live in it is a personal journey :)


What you do not want to do is come across as a fundamentalist it puts people off


Plant a subtle seed and it will grow and pollinate next thing you know a whole field will grow :cool:

Spot on ! Some people I know can be very vociferous and preachy about the masses on 'unawakened' people but when asked what they are doing about it themselves they respond in a sort of - well, erm, err.....It really does put people off rather than awaken them .

Everybody moves at their own pace and that should be respected not attacked. Im sure there are many people who claim they themselves are awake when in reality they are no closer to the truth than anyone else.

Do what you can in YOUR world, in YOUR life.

[pinnochio]

I think people will wake up when they're good and ready too.

Everyones on their own path or evolution whatever you wanna call it.

I think its easier just to leave them alone otherwise you just tire yourselve out and waste your energy. Not saying you can't try to bring it into conversation subtly. But if it takes to much effort just leave them to it.

[void]

I think people will wake up when they're good and ready too. Everyones on their own path or evolution whatever you wanna call it. I think its easier just to leave them alone otherwise you just tire yourselve out and waste your energy. Not saying you can't try to bring it into conversation subtly. But if it takes to much effort just leave them to it.

Amen. I also feel that 'some' of the people who spend a whole lot of their time and energy banging on about things, are not doing it out of a sense of compassion, but likely doing so more out of a need to convince 'themselves' of whatever alternative take on events/history/politics they have adopted and hoping to get more and more people onboard, to vanquish doubt.