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the worm that turned
22-05-2009, 11:01 AM
I must admit that I am utterly obsessed with the FMOTL section of this forum and want to say a big thank you to ALL contributors. This has been more eye opening than any other conspiracy website, because what we are all revealing on here is the biggest conspiracy of the lot!!

Anyway, onto the point of my thread...

I have been attempting a few things on my own, with advice being sought on here. So far I have:

1) questioned the General Registrar (well deputy actually) about the true function of birth certs, with limited success, but at least an admission that whether it creates a legal fiction is not as simple as yes/no?
2) created an affidavit to affirm the details of my son (recently born), including name, place of birth, mother and father, BEFORE I registered him (as was my wife's wish). I also made a claim via my sworn statement that any person, legal fiction or title created in his name by anyone is the property of me until he is old enough to claim ownership himself. This was sent to the General Register Office and they have confirmed receipt, put it on file and given me a reference number. If anyone wants more details about this, including template etc please PM me.
3) Attempted to gain a clarification of a "Bill" from Council and water board, as rightly or wrongly I thought that it might refer to a Bill of Exchange and the relevant act, in which case it must be signed. However I am still uncertain as whether such a "bill" is party to this act in the UK. Anyone??
4) I have recently requested a copy of a contract from a credit card I applied for in 1999. They sent me a copy of my Consumer Credit Agreement and I have dissected this and determined no fewer than 4 areas where the creditor has failed to follow the Consumer Credit Act 1974 and Consumer Credit Regulations 1983. I plan to post my intended response to the credit card company on here, both for others to use and to gain feedback on how I can make it stronger
5) Finally, I now want to question the authority of water company's and how they demand payment for water WITHOUT a formal contract.

So on point 5 - I moved into my home about 1.5 years ago and I can confirm that I did not sign a contract with the water company. Where do I stand here? They send me a "bill" each quarter. So far I have paid this because I believed it was the correct thing to do, but now I question this. Where do I go from here?

1 - shouldn't I have a choice of suppliers? Otherwise that is a monopoly
2 - shouldn't I have a formal contract setting out all of the terms and conditions, including payment terms and services (benefits) to both parties?
3 - is the provision of water captured under an act of law/statute? If so can anyone direct me to this?
4 - if I enter into a dispute with the provider MUST they continue to provide the service as I have no alternative provider and it is a necessity to live (basic human right)?


Any suggestions would be gratefully received and please understand this IS NOT AN ATTEMPT TO NOT PAY FOR SOMETHING I just feel that this should be done properly, i.e. all the cards on the table!

Thanks for listening, much love - TWTT :)

yozhik
22-05-2009, 12:04 PM
One of the issues you may face is in the wording of the mortgage or deeds.
I believe, if you read it, the word used to describe your "status" over the property is "tenant".

Its part of the wonderful world of legalese that we read, brush over and do not fully comprehend the implications of such an "innocent" word.

So, if you are the legal tenant, then it would make sense that the contract for services to the house are in the hands of the title holder (Crown).

You pay for the use of services.
The landlord contracts for the services.

I do not know, have no first hand knowledge and am merely suggesting possibilities; not asserting opinion. :)

zhenshanren
22-05-2009, 09:34 PM
I'm sorry that I'm not able to answer any of the questions but have one of my own.

Could you list what the credit card company's breeches were?

Thanks!

the worm that turned
24-05-2009, 09:24 AM
I'm sorry that I'm not able to answer any of the questions but have one of my own.

Could you list what the credit card company's breeches were?

Thanks!

Yeah I can and I will set up a new thread about it for others to use and to gain constructive comments. Thread to be called "Questioning Credit Consumer Agreement (Credit Card)"

merlincove
24-05-2009, 01:34 PM
nice one oh worm

aryan57
24-05-2009, 01:50 PM
Worm, it is really great that you turned. On!

With respect to water services, why not write to your supplier and ask for a copy of the contract that you agreed to when you moved into your house. By paying your first water bill, you agreed to contract with them. The water company has rules for when people just cant afford their charges, ask for them.

A UN document states that we have 4 basic rights. I only remember 2. One is the right to shelter and another one is "access to clean water". Obviously, if your supply is cut of, you cant enjoy that right.

yozhik
24-05-2009, 01:56 PM
A UN document states that we have 4 basic rights. I only remember 2. One is the right to shelter and another one is "access to clean water". Obviously, if your supply is cut of, you cant enjoy that right.

Hmmmm ... I wonder if this could be used as the grounds for legal action, claiming a Right to have water supplied without the addition of fluoride. :rolleyes:

dharmic one
24-05-2009, 06:43 PM
Worm, it is really great that you turned. On!

With respect to water services, why not write to your supplier and ask for a copy of the contract that you agreed to when you moved into your house. By paying your first water bill, you agreed to contract with them. The water company has rules for when people just cant afford their charges, ask for them.


This is good Info, I did this and they told me "I confirm Severn Trent Water Ltd is empowered under the Water Industry Act 1991 to apply a scheme of charges for supplies of water under section 143. Your account is billed on the basis of 'unmeasured charges' and based on the rateable value of the property."

Read it again folks, empowered under......to apply a scheme of unmeasured charges.....

Another implied contract?

Does the maxim "what is expressed renders the implied silent" apply here?

Has it been used successfully by anyone to refute or otherwise discharge these "schemes of charges" when they are billed for them.

It seems you are in a similar position to me worm......in that I have paid them previously and essentially accepted that they supply the water...so where do we stand??

yozhik
24-05-2009, 07:48 PM
From what I have read there is an argument that can be made, when full disclosure has not been given.

Previous payment can be used as proof of acceptance of an implied contract, but, if full disclosure has not been given, then additional information gathered can remove consent ab initio.

aryan57
24-05-2009, 10:36 PM
With respect to rateable value and unmeasured water charges: If you use a lot of water, such as you have small children and need to do lots of washing, wash the car with a hose etc, there could be something to be said for an unmeasured charge.

My bill came in this year at £473. Two years back they wanted £600 but I complained and got a concession as they could not fit a meter so they put it down to £425. Recently had the old cast iron pipe replaced and had a meter fitted. We use the same amount of water but the bill this year is likely to be around £200. My neighbours bill last year was £160 but he ****es in a bucket! I kid you not!

Good point from Yozhik that you obviously entered into a contract without all the terms being disclosed to you so you could argue that the contract is invalid.

Thats a great word they use. Empowered. By who, how? They dont say do they?