addiction

[pedsi]

How many of you awakened brothers and sisters out there are still ADDICTED to nicotine ????????? or any other drug or substance for that matter....

[a_fighter]

The only thing I am addicted to is this site :)

[lumukanda]

i'm addicted to air and food.

[pedsi]

The only thing I am addicted to is this site :)


GOOD ON YA :D:D:D:D

[pedsi]

i'm addicted to air and food.

Me too ...although I'd say more of a necessaty to function in this dimension than an addiction.

[lumukanda]

as an ex coke addict, i'd say the line between necessary and addiction is one that becomes very very blurred.

[21_12_2012]

Just nicotine nowadays...i even gave that up recently for 2 months...was quite easy..but i prefer to smoke than not to smoke....so i started again....i actually enjoy it...but i don't smoke heavily like i used to.

[pedsi]

As an ex nicotine addict I'd totally agree.....until your free of the illusion.

[pedsi]

Just nicotine nowadays...i even gave that up recently for 2 months...was quite easy..but i prefer to smoke than not to smoke....so i started again....i actually enjoy it...but i don't smoke heavily like i used to.

so your'e still addicted then.

[21_12_2012]

so your'e still addicted then.

Certainly am ! And I'm enjoying it ! (lights another smoke up :) )

[solve_et_coagula]

Drug Addiction a Disease of the Soul

« By convincing human beings that there is no God, no Providence, no Heaven and no hope of life after death, materialistic thinkers have robbed them of the one reality that gives meaning to human existence: the reality of the soul and spirit. They proclaim that religion is 'the opium of the people' and that man can be perfectly happy as long as he has sufficient food, a roof over his head and the chance to study and to raise a family. But is this born out by what we see in reality?

No; even when a man's physical body, heart and intellect have everything they could possibly ask for, he is not necessarily happy or satisfied; we see evidence of this every day. And why is he not satisfied? Because he has neglected to nourish his soul and spirit and they are still hungry and thirsty.

And this is why the increasing use of drugs, especially by the young, is a warning. It is a sign that the soul is trying to make its needs understood: men's souls are being stifled and the use of drugs is an attempt to find release. We have been told that mankind had to reject the opium of religion, but are we any better off with marijuana, heroin and cocaine?

The soul needs infinite space; when it is hemmed in it suffocates and is ready to grasp at any means in order to free itself, and alcohol and drugs are amongst those means because they have the property of detaching the soul from the physical body and giving it, if only for a few moments, the illusion of freedom and space, Young people take drugs because they don't know how else to satisfy their soul's need for freedom. But this is no solution, for a drug is simply a chemical element administered to the body, and it is not the body that is clamouring for freedom, but the soul. The use of drugs is an indication, therefore, but it is not the solution. Not only are drugs incapable of satisfying the needs of the soul but they destroy the body. This is why I say that no one should ever use them on any pretext whatever. joy, freedom, fulfilment and the expansion of the soul must be sought by spiritual means.

A true adept of Initiatic Science never relies on external means; he knows that God has given him all the powers, gifts and chemical substances he needs; they are all within him, and he only has to find them there. Of course, this is not something that can be done in a day, it takes time and effort, but it is well worth it. When you find your nourishment in the sublime regions of the soul and spirit your hunger is satisfied for days and days, for the elements of the divine world are so rich that one taste is enough to give you a sense of abundance and fulfilment that will stay with you always. Nothing can take away from you this sensation of immensity and eternity. »

Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov

[william_mac]

How many of you awakened brothers and sisters out there are still ADDICTED to nicotine ????????? or any other drug or substance for that matter....

I'm addicted to nicotine... I guess. I've been smoking for about 6 years (21 now). And... I like it.

Some people would also consider me an alcoholic, although I've never had any complaints as to the way I act. But I do drink habitually.

I used to use cocaine quite often, but have since leaned more towards prescription Adderall, which is an Dextro amphetimine, the same drug all the great Beat writers used to use. That's pretty cool.

I've done every other drug you can think of, and was on a heroin kick for a while, but it got boring. The rest of them never developed into anything, and I lost my infatuation with them.

It's important for me to say that I don't regret any of this. In fact, I take great pride in it. Drug people have always been the most interesting people to me, and I love vice ridden losers.



-William

[gordonfreeman]

Buying addiction. When I see something that interests me, like a video game, DVD movie, PC game, novels, comics, manga, and action figures. My mom calls me that. Because sometimes I am at a buying spree. I don't buy things every single day of course, only when it interests me enough. I usually check stuff that I WANT (not randomly) in ebay.com and amazon.com

[tinmenace]

I gave up smoking 13 years ago. My lungs got very sick and it was a matter of necessity. On the rare occasion that we're out at a club or bar, the cravings come back full force.

Hubby gave up smoking seven months ago.

[auron]

I don't keep count anymore on my daily intake.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/5070/smoke20lotsnr2.gif

[pedsi]

Is it possible for a person to become enlightened,fully present or a concious being, whatever term you like to use whilst harbouring a drug addiction.....I dont think it is...
I read a lot of posts on here with people going on about NWO,reptilians,911 etc and what is the best way to fix the outside world,well I think we should remember if we want to fix out there, we must first fix in here(ourselves)and breaking free from any addictions we may have is a step that has to be taken if we are to be free from this illusion.
I know some people may not agree with what I'm saying or like the idea of giving up their crutch and come out of their comfort zone but how can you be free if some drug or behaviour pattern has a hold over you.
The most common reply I've heard is ..I am free, Its my choice..I choose to smoke or drink(whatever the case may be)I always have a choice and I choose to do it.
This is correct we do have freedom of choice but addicts keep making the same choices over and over..........try making another choice.
IMHO a lot of people are talking the talk but wont walk the walk.

PEACE MAN.

[lottie]

but what if it is possible to become enlightened whist harbouring addiction? i have become more enlightened over the last year than the whole of my life and im a smoker... how far do you go when you refer to enlightenment? spiritual enlightenment? or knowledge enlightenment? what is the ultimate enlightenment? have you reached it in your non- addiction?

i understand what you are saying and i agree about needing to change within to affect outside, do you personally feel more enlightened by not being addicted to a substance? not attacking- just asking....:)

[chris]

I gave up the weed a few years ago...

I gave up junk food on and off about a year ago and have been on a very good diet for the last month or so...

I am still addicting to thinking too much about stupid things...

Trying too hard to give up an addiction seems to have the opposite effect, like its roping you in more but taking time to grip the rope further up.

The best way I've found to give up an addiction is to make a few sigils pin pointing the causes of the addiction and obviously one to rid yourself of the addiction...It seems to flow pretty easily after that.

[tinmenace]

...the best way to fix the outside world...we must first fix in here(ourselves)...



Exactly, it starts inside of us and manifests on the outside.

I am tolerant of people with addictions. I think a lot of what's out there today, is so powerful, and changes people on the cellular level (matrix), and even though their souls want to stop, their computers won't allow them to. It's just a clever form of continued enslavement. There is something for everyone. They have all angles covered.

[danielg]

No substance is addictive, it's the user that wants to stimulate themselves cos they've lost the ability to feel within themselves.

[truthseeker1980]

I am still addicted to nicotine and mentally to THC, gave up THC completely for 3mnths this year but started smoking again after splitting up with my girl.

I don't see how it can affect us in the matrix, if everything is an illusion, how can it affect my holographic lungs, unless i believe it will?

Also does smoke not ward off the shapeshifters?

That's my two excuses anyway.:D

[pedsi]

but what if it is possible to become enlightened whist harbouring addiction? i have become more enlightened over the last year than the whole of my life and im a smoker... how far do you go when you refer to enlightenment? spiritual enlightenment? or knowledge enlightenment? what is the ultimate enlightenment? have you reached it in your non- addiction?

i understand what you are saying and i agree about needing to change within to affect outside, do you personally feel more enlightened by not being addicted to a substance? not attacking- just asking....:)

Hi lottie,I wouldn't necessarily I've become more enlightened just because I've gave up my addiction to nicotine but like yourself I would say I've came a long way in the last year and focusing on myself and my addictions is something I've been doing recently.
I would say spiritual and knowledge enlightenment have been one in the same for me and the knowledge that whole addiction process is an illusion of the mind and something that can be overcome by dis- association with the mind,has been spiritualy enlightening for me.
I hope this makes sense:)

[kooo]

I'm not addicted to anything because I don't do drugs :p

Actually the truth is I've done my fair share of drugs, I've had a great time and wouldn't change a thing. Gave up skunk the other day and I'm feeling great about it, wide awake and eyes are bright and sparkly. I've given up skunk because I'm fed up of wasting £300 a month. I will use the money I save to book a nice holiday, wooo hooooo :)

I don't do nicotine either so I'll leave all you smokers with your bad breath, smelly houses and yellow paintwork to it :D

[eternal_spirit]

coffee, nicotine, marijuana :rolleyes: the latter not so much at the mo too costly! :mad: although I would stop smoking if I could. I look like a right cunt when I've smoked 60 roll ups tobacco a day at times.

[lumukanda]

the reason i say you can't achieve true enlightenment, and i mean true enlightenment, whilst harbouring an addiction is the fact that your addiction will eventually start niggling at you, and all you addicts out there, you know that feeling, you can learn shitloads whilst addicted to any given substance, but there comes a point where you'll have to leave it behind, you can't experience the universe with total freedom if you're worried about where your next hit is coming from.

[eternal_spirit]

the reason i say you can't achieve true enlightenment, and i mean true enlightenment, whilst harbouring an addiction is the fact that your addiction will eventually start niggling at you, and all you addicts out there, you know that feeling, you can learn shitloads whilst addicted to any given substance, but there comes a point where you'll have to leave it behind, you can't experience the universe with total freedom if you're worried about where your next hit is coming from.

................................................

Wise words. I've missed out on some great oppurtunetys why? I was busy feeding my addiction when I should of been elsewhere. You don't take that first hit knowing years later the addiction can take over you're life, you do it because it feels good.
Money, time wasted. It's like being part of some strange cult you end up associating with fellow addicts and see little if anything of addictless persons.
Even the one time sociable drinker who was the life and soul of the party can become a loner and a recluse.

[william_mac]

Is it possible for a person to become enlightened,fully present or a concious being, whatever term you like to use whilst harbouring a drug addiction.....I dont think it is...
I read a lot of posts on here with people going on about NWO,reptilians,911 etc and what is the best way to fix the outside world,well I think we should remember if we want to fix out there, we must first fix in here(ourselves)and breaking free from any addictions we may have is a step that has to be taken if we are to be free from this illusion.
I know some people may not agree with what I'm saying or like the idea of giving up their crutch and come out of their comfort zone but how can you be free if some drug or behaviour pattern has a hold over you.
The most common reply I've heard is ..I am free, Its my choice..I choose to smoke or drink(whatever the case may be)I always have a choice and I choose to do it.
This is correct we do have freedom of choice but addicts keep making the same choices over and over..........try making another choice.
IMHO a lot of people are talking the talk but wont walk the walk.

PEACE MAN.

That isn't completely true. There are those who must willingly purge themselves of things, but a lot of people don't. I eat meat, I smoke, I drink, I've done every drug (some of which I still do), I don't meditate.

However, before hearing about David Icke, before reading up on any religions, or anything, I had already been conversing with a "guide" if you want to call it that, in my head for years, since I was about 13.

I was told about alien races, the conception of the human race on earth, original meanings of "edifices" that baffle people, energy, and other crap like that. I was told about a few men ruling over the majority, and on and on.

Now, I never discussed this with people much, nor do I care to now, but after years of "gosh I think some weird stuff" and "am I insane?" thoughts, I came to find that there are many people who believe the same thing.

However, I went through an odd stage to where I thought I was SUPPOSED to meditate, and be a vegetarian, and do breathing exersises and all of that crap. Then I was told, by "guide" (again, I don't like to call it that) that the myth that the mind should not be seperate from the body is false. The mind, and higher consciousness, must always ALWAYS be seperate from the body. Because of this, you realize that the mind has control over the body, because the body is nothign more than a tool, and often times a hindering aspect. So, when you realize the mind is separate from the body, then you realize that the things you do with your body such as eating, smoking cigarettes, drinking beer, have no effect on your mind and higher consciousness.

Besides, we can't impact people as well as we could, if we don't try to blend in with them. One of the most important things I was taught is that It's not good for me (personally) to stray away from all manor of human characteristics such as common vices and practices. If I do this, then I can't affect people as well, because I won't be like them.

So, I've had no struggle with this. In fact, I go without smoking for days upon my own feelings, yet I've been a smoker for 6 years and smoke quite habituatlly when I do anyway. I don't know if I'm addicted or not, because when I go without smoking it isn't a "I'm NOT going to smoke today!" It's usually because I forgot to think about it, and I experience no withdrawels.

So, yeah, "addicitons" are not particularly hindering. Only the person's mindset makes a habit or action a hinderance. In which case, if the person's mind is not strong enough, then that should be purged. Other people may not need to do this.

EDIT:
Also, last thought here. People, the goal in this life, as a human being, is not to be enlightened. The goal should never to be to improve yourself so you know exactly all the secrets and ascend above your current level. The reason for this is simple, the quest for enlightenment is often times skewed by greed. People want to be enlightened for themselves. Enlightenment has nothing to do with you, and it should not be sought. If it's there, it comes naturally. If not, then you simply improve yourself by normally.

The only thing that people need to do on the earth, our only real obligation, is to love to the best of our knowledge of what love is, and to stray away from the opposite. As time goes on, everything will fall into place. Everything ALWAYS falls into place if this simple thing is done, you will always end up realizing everything you need to realize, and more.



-William

[pedsi]

I would say that to have an addiction is to remained trapped in the illusion of time.
any thoughts?

[somewarez]

Hi all,

This thread has a very real meaning in my life as I know I am an addict of Alcohol, smoking and online gaming. Each of which is Detrimental to my Life as I am fully aware. I am currently Unemployed and feel at the lowest point in my life. Yet as many members of this site I am also beginning to be quite aware of the control others have over our lives and the control we must regain of our humanity.

I am struggling to give up all my addictions. I fear 1 on each level is eating me from within on a different physical/psychological level. Making me think less and giving me less power to be me.

I have done many drugs over almost half my life now and I am at my wits end as to how to stop. 1 thing I can say is that during my process of these addictions so far the online gaming (world of warcraft and various other mmorpgs) Has and IS one of the most detrimental to my psychic mind. It wastes all my time and makes me care less about my life than even the drink could.

My biggest worry knowing that this game is aimed at everyone from children to adults is the effects it has on our lives. Of Course I am unemployed and this gives me more time than the average player to play the game. But I have seen people quit their job and even give up on a real life relationship to devote more time to a GAME.

It seems to me that games like this are possibly the next mind destroyer. Due to the *apparent magic* in the game they have the freedom to place their occult symbols everywhere. Its like a Second matrix, one within the one we are living, Like just incase your about to wake up heres another life to live online to ease you back to sleep and give up your theories, your life.

There's more than just drugs destroying our children, our families, our communities.

Warez

[william_mac]

Hi all,

This thread has a very real meaning in my life as I know I am an addict of Alcohol, smoking and online gaming. Each of which is Detrimental to my Life as I am fully aware. I am currently Unemployed and feel at the lowest point in my life. Yet as many members of this site I am also beginning to be quite aware of the control others have over our lives and the control we must regain of our humanity.

I am struggling to give up all my addictions. I fear 1 on each level is eating me from within on a different physical/psychological level. Making me think less and giving me less power to be me.

I have done many drugs over almost half my life now and I am at my wits end as to how to stop. 1 thing I can say is that during my process of these addictions so far the online gaming (world of warcraft and various other mmorpgs) Has and IS one of the most detrimental to my psychic mind. It wastes all my time and makes me care less about my life than even the drink could.

My biggest worry knowing that this game is aimed at everyone from children to adults is the effects it has on our lives. Of Course I am unemployed and this gives me more time than the average player to play the game. But I have seen people quit their job and even give up on a real life relationship to devote more time to a GAME.

It seems to me that games like this are possibly the next mind destroyer. Due to the *apparent magic* in the game they have the freedom to place their occult symbols everywhere. Its like a Second matrix, one within the one we are living, Like just incase your about to wake up heres another life to live online to ease you back to sleep and give up your theories, your life.

There's more than just drugs destroying our children, our families, our communities.

Warez

Welcome!

It seems to me you know all the answers to your own questions. But, as the son of an abusive alcoholic, chain smoker, and compulsive gambler, I'll say that those THINGS are not wasting your time, YOU'RE wasting your time on those things.

There is no system of steps that really work. The fact is you just need to stop. That's it. Decide to stop. It's that completely simple.

Anyone that says they want to do something, but does not do it, does not really want it. People always get what they want. Therefore, if you want to stop, and improve, you simply will. Because if you really want it, there is no way you won't get it. That's the truth.

Good luck, and keep up with us.



-William-Mac.com

[cruise4]

In my experience few people can 'just stop'. One thing that may help is forcing a change direction, eg. Go to the Job Centre and take any foreign job they have and just go! I have known a few people who did something like this and it worked for them on many different levels.

[kooo]

Go to the Job Centre and take any foreign job they have and just go! I have known a few people who did something like this and it worked for them on many different levels.

I'd rather slit my wrists :eek:

[cruise4]

Addiction can often be associated with others... by that I mean Suppliers, Drinking Buddies, Game Playing Buddies etc. I am not saying these people are not genuine friends or anything. I am saying once you really decide you wish to change... they must be removed from your life, otherwise you just slip back into old habits.

[lumukanda]

if you do have the oppurtunity to do it, and it's not for everyone, getting away is a good way to deal with it, whenever i feel things are getting me down, i go to my gf's parents farm, it's not away from everyone i know, but it's far enough out of the way that temptation, no matter how strong, is just not something i can give into (it's 3 hours to the nearest city).
when i gave up drugs i was extremely lucky, i was the only one out of my circle of friends that was an addict, so where many people have to 'disown' their friends, i didn't have to do that.

[kooo]

Addiction can often be associated with others... by that I mean Suppliers, Drinking Buddies, Game Playing Buddies etc. I am not saying these people are not genuine friends or anything. I am saying once you really decide you wish to change... they must be removed from your life, otherwise you just slip back into old habits.

Totally agree. Every time I've given up spliff I've started again because of other people so this time I won't be mixing with them. Bloody puff heads, scum of the earth :p

The same principle applies to women who suffer domestic violence, they have to cut off everyone and everything connected with that person out of their lives. If they refuse then quite frankly, they enjoy it.

[lottie]

It seems common that those who are 'anti-addiction' are (quite rightly) those who have suffered addiction BUT they are those who have over indulged because they could not take their substance in moderation...i smoke so yes i am addicted but i have taken drugs all different types ONCE or TWICE and thats it- ive just left them alone- ive kept control of them so that ive taken them in moderation- therefore i have no problem with people having drugs/addictions because i dont understand how it feels to be so addicted, i can take it or leave it (prefer to leave it) but ive never felt compelled to over-do it. I suppose im lucky but i see it as i have remained in control although saying that- again- yes i smoke and yes i suppose the mainstream would say im addicted- personally i smoke because i like it- not because its an addiction but thats my business anyway.:)

My point being - (blanket statement coming up....) the majority of people who are against addiction are those who couldnt take their substance with moderation. So prehaps its not the substance thats the problem but actually their own weakness?!

I dunno, maybe im not qualified to say....

[lumukanda]

good point lottie, the fact that it is our weakness that allowed us to become addicted, but you are ignoring the great strength it took for us to quit, most of us have paid our dues, facing your family, your friends, getting through the cravings.
so yes i am anti-addiction, i am because it almost almost cost me my life and my family, i'm not having a go, but to me this is a very big deal, i started out, it was fun, five years later i was snorting coke off dirty toilet seats in very dodgy places.
addiction is bad, but it is all relative, comparing coke to cigarettes? i bit of a stretch, but i think the point some of us are trying to make is that you can't release yourself from this space if there's anything holding you back being artificially dependant on anything, which is where addiction comes in, we trick ourselves into believeing we need it, when in reality we don't.

[davelove]

something thats always fascinated me. i work as a hypnotherapist with addictions mostly. i have worked with heroin, cocaine. big pharma meds, and in each/all of these cases we have a physical, chemical addiction to contend with. (although withdrawal can be drastically reduced with direct hypnotic suggestion) question is, why do MOST people experience NO WITHDRAWAL from cigarettes (Nicotine). after hypnosis?? just a thought....

[davelove]

Welcome!

It seems to me you know all the answers to your own questions. But, as the son of an abusive alcoholic, chain smoker, and compulsive gambler, I'll say that those THINGS are not wasting your time, YOU'RE wasting your time on those things.

There is no system of steps that really work. The fact is you just need to stop. That's it. Decide to stop. It's that completely simple.

Anyone that says they want to do something, but does not do it, does not really want it. People always get what they want. Therefore, if you want to stop, and improve, you simply will. Because if you really want it, there is no way you won't get it. That's the truth.

Good luck, and keep up with us.



-William-Mac.com

excellent point, a story richard bandler told one time...

twins, both their parents were alcoholic, drug users. one twin was an alcoholic, drug user and the other was not.

when both were question as to how they "turned out"

both answered..

how could i be any other way!!

[lottie]

good point lottie, the fact that it is our weakness that allowed us to become addicted, but you are ignoring the great strength it took for us to quit, most of us have paid our dues, facing your family, your friends, getting through the cravings.
so yes i am anti-addiction, i am because it almost almost cost me my life and my family, i'm not having a go, but to me this is a very big deal, i started out, it was fun, five years later i was snorting coke off dirty toilet seats in very dodgy places.
addiction is bad, but it is all relative, comparing coke to cigarettes? i bit of a stretch, but i think the point some of us are trying to make is that you can't release yourself from this space if there's anything holding you back being artificially dependant on anything, which is where addiction comes in, we trick ourselves into believeing we need it, when in reality we don't.

i know i know- i probably shouldn't have said anything- like i say im not really qualified (experiencewise) to even comprehend what its like- no disrespect to you and what you've been through, i admire your strength to 'overcome' your addiction and yes Coke and Ciggs are nowhere near the same league. :D

[lumukanda]

i know i know- i probably shouldn't have said anything- like i say im not really qualified (experiencewise) to even comprehend what its like- no disrespect to you and what you've been through, i admire your strength to 'overcome' your addiction and yes Coke and Ciggs are nowhere near the same league. :D

no offence taken lottie, i know we can sound like new born christians sometimes, and whereas i realise everyone has to walk their own path, you do hope that by speaking you can save someone the pain that you've been through.

[pedsi]

good point lottie, the fact that it is our weakness that allowed us to become addicted, but you are ignoring the great strength it took for us to quit, most of us have paid our dues, facing your family, your friends, getting through the cravings.
so yes i am anti-addiction, i am because it almost almost cost me my life and my family, i'm not having a go, but to me this is a very big deal, i started out, it was fun, five years later i was snorting coke off dirty toilet seats in very dodgy places.
addiction is bad, but it is all relative, comparing coke to cigarettes? i bit of a stretch, but i think the point some of us are trying to make is that you can't release yourself from this space if there's anything holding you back being artificially dependant on anything, which is where addiction comes in, we trick ourselves into believeing we need it, when in reality we don't.

What I would allso add is not only do we beleive that we need it we allso falsely beleive that we enjoy it and thats why all addiction is the same whether it be hard drugs or nicotine!!
whenever you have a hit of your drug or a puff of your cigarette you will feel a sense of pleasure, joy relaxation or whatever this only comes about however as you are ridding yourself of the withdrawl symptoms of your previous hit..... this is where the illusion comes in.
One way to break free from this illusiory merry go round is to first become concious of this fact then make the decision to take control and not have the drug control you..

[lumukanda]

yes, good point there, an addiction is really only an uber-habit at the end of the day, simplisticly put i know, but not that different.

[cruise4]

"something thats always fascinated me. i work as a hypnotherapist with addictions mostly. i have worked with heroin, cocaine. big pharma meds, and in each/all of these cases we have a physical, chemical addiction to contend with. (although withdrawal can be drastically reduced with direct hypnotic suggestion) question is, why do MOST people experience NO WITHDRAWAL from cigarettes (Nicotine). after hypnosis?? just a thought...."

You bring up a good point here Dave. I had two teeth extracted some time ago, next to each other, and for the next fortnight I didn't smoke cigarettes at all. I had a fair 'wound' in my mouth and mentally it sort of felt 'unclean'.
But I had zero withdrawal symptoms. As you say... Why?

[pedsi]

"I have truly awoken....I've realised that everything is energy vibrating at different speeds.. I am aware that all I see is an illusion created by my brain based on my beleifs and understanding of the world in which I live...I am infininite consiousness connected to all that is and all that will ever be I am both here and there I am everywhere....This knowledge has set me free from the illusiory prison in which I've been living and has given me the strength to KNOW that this is the truth.....I have helped others realise this truth both personally and on forums such as this by shining the light of conciousness upon the unconcious darkness...
My energy feild is now vibrating at such a higher speed now I am ready to move on ...
To move on to the next stage of the divine plan and return to source..
SHIT DAVE!!! WHERE'S MY FAGS:eek: FOR FUCK SAKE I TOLD YOU TO BRING MY FAGS....YOU FUCKING IDIOT:mad:...IM NOT GOING ANYWHERE WITHOUT MY FAGS:mad:!!!

[lottie]

PMSL callybhoy!!!

cruise4 and davelove- i agree,what about when you are unwell- like when i have a cold or a sickness bug (not that i do anymore as i refuse to believe i can get colds!!lol) but i totally go off smoking and dont want it at all- makes me feel sick just the thought- so why dont i gt withdrawal from the physical/chemical effects of addiction? surely even if im unwell i would still have the effects of withdrawal (headaches,thinkin bout smoking constantly,craving it) the addiction wouldnt just disappear as i thought mainstream science/health claims its a physical addiction-thats why its so hard for us al to give up! im sure we are all being duped here and that prehaps addicion is not due to physical reasons but psychological instead? my freind is a 'smoker' on and off- she can take it or leave it- she smokes for a week then says 'no -im not smoking today' and doesnt- no withdrawal nothing- she just does it! lie you say with the hypnotherapy- why doesnt the person after hypnotherapy still suffer the physical affects of withdrawal?

[yinon]

There is no system of steps that really work. The fact is you just need to stop. That's it. Decide to stop. It's that completely simple.

Right on. I know people who are preaching against drugs, cig, alcool...

When you analyze them more deeply you discover a lot of addiction in their personnal life too...as gambling, jogging, money, anti-depressor.... But they shine

Bull shit all this. Anti-smoker project their own bugs on others.

We stop when we are ready

Focus on your own bugs and life gonna be easier for everyone.

My father smoked all his life , my mother condemned him and she is the one who died first. She was unable to face her own shadow and unable to resolve her personal emotional charge.

Give us a break false enlightened ones

[cruise4]

Hi Lottie, Yes, illness is another example for sure. makes you wonder if its not the 'Smoking Kills' message that kills you and not the fags!

I've also wondered what effects the filters and paper has.

[ashyr]

Just nicotine nowadays...i even gave that up recently for 2 months...was quite easy..but i prefer to smoke than not to smoke....so i started again....i actually enjoy it...but i don't smoke heavily like i used to.

im in the same boat here hehe. damn i starte again but i know the decision comes from within a choice i can make whenever. same as starting again.


also i am with "coffee,nicotine,thc" diet groups ;P

[cruise4]

Are all addictions bad???

I drink a lot of Tea... so a lot of water I suppose. This is good for you. I would rather give up smoking than Tea. My day would be poorer without it. But its an addiction.

If I go for a walk and get to the top of a hill, nothing beats sitting there and having a fag or a smoke.

Why do we do the things we do?

Am I currently addicted to reading material about the NWO? Would I want to be without it?

Are you addicted to having animals in your life?

Am I addicted to being poor? Or being Solitary?

Maybe its when it become the over-riding concern in your life that addictions become bad.

The trouble with drugs is they are insiduous. Whats great for a while changes characteristics over time. This is what you have to beware of. This is what needs to be taught to Children, if anything at all does.

[bennett211085]

Hi there

I'm new here and I'm from the UK.
I' totally clean of all drugs and alcohol nowadays but since a very early age had emence problems with almost every substance going.
The one thing I would say that robbed me of my soul the most though was definently without a doubt, alcohol. It was hard to wake up almost everyday with no idea what I had been doing, where I had been or even how I got to wherever I regained "conciousness".
Now I am clean of everything and I dont smoke at all.

I still firmly believe though that there are various drugs that in moderation are beneficial, and there are some drugs designed purely to destroy people and give the positive drugs a bad name. (my step-dad is so naive about drugs that he presumed cannibis and heroine where the same thing)

[cruise4]

That is a significant achievment, (damned forums so slow) last poster.

[pedsi]

I'd say the drugs that are permissable in our society are detremental to our evolution wheras the drugs that open our minds and are hepfull to our spiritual growth are prohibited..............whats bad for you is good ..........................whats good for you is bad.........is this double speak.

[thirdwave]

im addicted to trying to maintain freedom.... weather it be woman.... beer.... exsersize... music.... information.... so on.... anything that inspires me.

although once i get properly addicted to something thankfully i start to get put off it.... kind of like a built in alarm system...

[pedsi]

Your right mate the ego has to go .......one of the reasons i started this thread was to get a feel for how many people on here have truly acheived this.....not that its easy or i have mastered it but reading a lot of posts on here its quite obvious a lot of us havent.....

[mylibido]

- World of Warcraft
- Porn
- Jacking it

[aelusis]

My first thoughts on this thread is that there's a lot of generalization and disassociation between alcohol and drugs. It makes me smile to even hear those words put together as a topic subject, drugs AND alcohol, because (and brace yourself), alcohol is a drug. I know this goes without saying for a lot of people, but I think it's just our conditioning to separate the two that immediately puts us on ambiguous ground. So having said that, know that when I say 'drugs' I'm including alcohol.

My perspective on this topic comes from that of a 21 y/o boy who's spent nearly half his life on this earth in some perpetual state of chemical isolation from the rest of world and has done so unashamed and unabashedly. In fact, I can single handedly pinpoint the greatest moment I've experienced in the illusion to the night of December 23rd, 2001, when (with only minimal past experience ingesting psychedelics before this), I took my first dose of LSD. It was seven hits of the cleanest acid I have yet to come across, and I did this completely alone in my bedroom, without a sitter. Now, from my present perspective, this was nothing short of insane, yet I've never regretted it. Because what happened to me that night could never be fully put into words. The runner-up for single-greatest-moment was one night after eating a large amount of psilocibin mushrooms, they made me violently ill. As I grew sicker and sicker, laying on the floor of my bedroom in a pool of my own bodily fluids, I experienced what I've heard described as 'ego-death'. I knew I was dying. And through this feeling of engulfing fear that (again, you truely have to experience to know what it's like), I completely separated from my body.

It should be known though that the fear I speak of isn't the conscious fear we experience in our daily 'lives', like being afraid to confront someone or asking a woman out, fearing rejection. The fear one experiences during a negative trip is such an undiluted form, it's as if your very sanity is being torn away from you. And in this state of misery that languge could never describe, as I prepared for death, something else happened. And again (I know I sound like a broken record), this is where the story ends, because I could spend the rest of my life at this keyboard and I'd never be able to really communicate what it was like.

Now these two events in my life, both induced by 'drugs', changed me in ways I could never ponder otherwise. What followed since those nights has been a quest for truth that took me everywhere from Islam to, inevitably I suppose, David Icke. But in the time in between, I picked up and 'fought' an addiction to coke, morphine and alcohol, and every time I'd relapse like clockwork back into these 'evils'. It wasn't until I began to recognise that it was my externalization of enlightenment that was keeping me from ever achieving it. I knew this world was a bullshit illusion, so I felt it was only when I was disconnected from that illusion that I ever had any real freedom to discover what lay beyond it. I don't believe my addictions were a product or result of my ignorance, rather I believe my addiciton was a product of my need to externalize the intangible.

It was in this junky-limbo that I began to understand where the truth lay, inside. And as this truth comes more into my awarness everyday, I find my ignorance diminishes. As this happens, my addictions diminish, because I realise there is no addiction. The monkey slamming the keyboard, screaming "more!", grows quieter as it looses it's awarness of itself. Because, as it was said, addiction is the matrix in its purest form, and that's all the matrix is. Self-aware fear.

So there you have it, my 2 cents on addiction and the matrix, from the perspective of a long time addict. Maybe nothing I just wrote makes sense to anybody but me, but that's the beauty of it all. It doesn't have to.;)

[kooo]

Anyone out there who is considering giving up puff - don't do it! You will end up wide awake and unable to eat or sleep - I'm speaking from experience :eek:

Gimme some drugs..

[bigus_dickus]

as many people have pointed out, addiction is not about substances separate from ourselves, namely tobacco, drugs, alcohol and so forth.

substances are already present in our bodies, if they weren't, then they would be rejected as soon as they got inside, or they would not feel desirable at all. so it's the chemicals produced by stimuli that we get addicted to.

for example, there are far more common addictions that are not considered as such and consequently never get to be fought against, such as television, video games, sex, food, a particular type of food such as ice cream and chocolate, behaviors, attitudes, even music. these are only a few, but if we try to collect all of them, we will end up with pretty much everything that we can be obsessed about, even feelings like love, hate, fear, horror, pain, etc.

that's because we are all body builders. not in the sense of 'pumping iron' kind of gymnastics, as far as i am concerned i am more a body builder than a body builder consuming steroids and thus getting addicted to them and destroying his health. so, as body builders, we train our bodies to adapt to the conditions that we choose and our beliefs.

when we are addicted to, say, cocaine, not only we have trained our bodies to need this substance as food, but for the most part we psychologically feel that our freedom depends on these substances or actions or processes, meaning that we keep an illusion that we need something whatever that may be that we don't currently have, in order to be ourselves. that is to say that, we prefer to have an illusion of pleasure (which is itself an illusion) or happiness due to the belief of its lack.

in that sense, addiction hunting can also become an addiction. but, addictions are not bad in general, they are processes and we all have them. most times we need to substitute an addiction with another addiction in order to get rid of the first addiction. we don't get anywhere with doing this, except switching substances and maybe when we believe that one is bad, since we get rid of its usage, our health gets better. but it's an illusion that it was this particular substance to blame for our bad health condition. that's because addiction is not the real problem here, but our illusion that we need to do or add something to our selves in order to be free.

[james777]

I'll be honest guys, I'm not addicted to any substance and I'm glad I'm not. It sounds horrible to be under the control of something that will damage you physically and mentally.

I'm 26 years old now and one thing that I am addicted to is SEX. Ever since I hit puberty, it's been sex, sex and more sex......I'm a scorpio, so I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it, but I love p--sy.....I don't mean to be vulgar here, so please don't take offense........does anyone else have this addiction??

[lottie]

I appreciate you changing your font colour James- its much softer on the eye :)

I think to be addicted to sex is a natural thing at your age- but at the risk of starting a debate with you- do you think 'conditioning' from all levels has had something to do with this obsession?/addiction....

Im not saying its a bad thing- i mean if its all consentual
etc then fine but i didnt realise how much programming goes on (sex-wise)- sometimes i wonder if my thoughts are my own or are they just implanted subliminally or through conditioning....ive learned a lot about myself and sex over the last year discovering so much about myself, sex was not something i thought was relevant but it plays a huge part in it all!!

Im still learning....:)

[lumukanda]

an addiction becomes a problem when the use of the substance, or action, starts to interfere in your normal life, like if you 'need' to have a drink before going out, or if you 'need' a line everytime you have the oppurtunity to have one, of course there's also that little voice that tells you when you're crossing the line, it's soft in the beginning, but it gets pretty loud later.
anything in moderation, or in a way that is not causing harm is of course fine, but from experience i can say that i lied to myself about how much harm i was doing to myself, so serious self honesty is important too.

[pedsi]

Having noticed the absence of some of the heavier posters on this thread it would seem a lot of people here on this forum are happier getting involved in ego battles with other members rather than confront the daily battle that goes on within...living with an addiction....the outer reflects the inner I suppose.

[skyver]

On/off battle with Snowballs for me. gonna start gym 2moro, new way of life etc..

Hope no one on here puts me down, just being honest.

[lumukanda]

On/off battle with Snowballs for me. gonna start gym 2moro, new way of life etc..

Hope no one on here puts me down, just being honest.
here's the biggest cliche of all : you can only fix the problem if you know you have one, it seems you do, good luck man.

[ugizz]

I know one guy who started smoking 40 cigarettes a day for 3 months just to prove that he wont get addicted and will be able to give up smoking at any moment without hesitation!! LOL
And he did! he gave up smoking after 3 months and has never smoked again...

:D