How do you avoid the TV license?

[leafar]

What do you do? How do you do it?

[1694]

What do you do? How do you do it?

Dont own a TV.

[angelx777]

they will ring door bell and send a note by post before they will come to check , you say you dont own a tv and hide it in the loo whatever, i did that, went smoothly

and its better not to watch it anyways

[bones]

What do you do? How do you do it?

stop paying it!!!

1694 has a good anwser i agree but to only part, ide have one for dvds etc tv is just a load of bollocks anyways.

[forestgrump]

they will ring door bell and send a note by post before they will come to check , you say you dont own a tv and hide it in the loo whatever, i did that, went smoothly

and its better not to watch it anyways


This is copied and pasted from their website. You have to search for it as the info is not readily displayed:

"What if I only use a TV to watch videos/DVDs/as a monitor for my games console? Do I still need a licence?

You do not need a TV Licence if you only use your TV to watch videos and DVDs or as a monitor for your games console.

However, please notify us in writing that this is the case. One of our Enforcement Officers may visit you to confirm that you do not need a licence.

Please write to us including your name, address and the reason you believe that you don't need a licence at:

TV Licensing
Bristol
BS98 1TL."


I have used this before. When I did I was only using the TV to watch videos though. I'm not sure if they could use a detector van to catch you if you were to watch television.

The important thing, though, is that owning a television (or any other receiving equipment) does not automatically mean that you have to pay for a licence. Also, if an inspector does call at your house you are under no obligation to let them in and they cannot force their way in.

If they do come in and you have a television in view but it is not attached to an aerial or satellite/cable receiver then there is nothing they can do about it. Don't let them intimidate you as is their wont.

[theninja]

It's simple just never sign any of their paper work, look here:

http://www.tpuc.org/tv-licensing-deception

[disorder2k8]

its nice how they say "enforcment officer"

Ive been hearing they will be taxing the internet if they get their way (then I just wont bother to watch clips or even use the net, fuk 'em)

[wez004]

Simple. Phone the TV Licence Company up and ask them to stop sending you their letters as you do not fall into the criteria of requiring a TV licence. They will ask you your name if they don’t have it. Do not give it to them ask them if your are obliged to and they will say no.

They will write saying that 25% of all people who say they don’t need a licence do actually and for this reason they will send someone to visit to check that this is the case.

If you get a visit tell them you do not consent to them entering your home. Tell them that you value your privacy and you can only let people in who have a search warrant. Then ask them if they have any other business say thank you and goodbye. Then close the door. Job done.

I take pride in the fact that in the 25 years I have been responsible for my own homes I have never brought a TV Licence. They can turn the BBC off for all I care bunch of traitorous wankers.

[ex sheep]

Simple. Phone the TV Licence Company up and ask them to stop sending you their letters as you do not fall into the criteria of requiring a TV licence. They will ask you your name if they don’t have it. Do not give it to them ask them if your are obliged to and they will say no.

They will write saying that 25% of all people who say they don’t need a licence do actually and for this reason they will send someone to visit to check that this is the case.

If you get a visit tell them you do not consent to them entering your home. Tell them that you value your privacy and you can only let people in who have a search warrant. Then ask them if they have any other business say thank you and goodbye. Then close the door. Job done.

I take pride in the fact that in the 25 years I have been responsible for my own homes I have never brought a TV Licence. They can turn the BBC off for all I care bunch of traitorous wankers.

I have paid mine last year it is due in Aug again, they have my name, so if I call them and say I am not using the tv for receiving broadcasts cause I just woke up last year, and I don't watch any of their shite any more, how do you think that will go.

[yozhik]

However, please notify us in writing that this is the case. One of our Enforcement Officers may visit you to confirm that you do not need a licence.


Dear TV Gestapo,

Re: your request for notification and visitation by Enforcement officer

Please rearrange this ever popular phrase.
The order of the words has been scrambled to make our correspondence more "fun" and interactive;

OFF ... FUCK

Regards,

The person who pays your fucking wages!

[wez004]

If they do come in and you have a television in view but it is not attached to an aerial or satellite/cable receiver then there is nothing they can do about it. Don't let them intimidate you as is their wont.

You could actualy let them in turn on the TV tune to BBC 1. The only action they can take is to try and get you to contract. The officer would write a statment that you have a tv watching live broadcasts. You would then be required to sign the statment. If you do not sign there is no evidence. You only convict yourself by signing their paperwork.

[hellosatellites]

Dont own a TV.

+ 1

A couple of years ago the tv license people (who just happen to also be the largest tv channel here, DR, our equivalent of BBC) were harassing me every couple of months, sending me bills etc even though i've never owned a television. The first time they send me a bill with nasty letter about the sort of fines facing people who watch tv without paying, i replied to in a friendly manner just saying that i didn't own a tv and didn't inten to ever, so they could just take me off the register and not contact me again ever.
Couple of months later i recieved the same letter, bill attached etc...which i didn't reply to. They kept sendning letter and bill, until i send them the letter back with a scribbled note sayingsomething to the effect of: Look, can't you just understand that i don't have a tv because i actually don't want to watch any of your crap?? Don't fucking write to me again or i will report you to the police for harrasment.
I haven't heard from them since.

During the course of this, i found out that there are only 30.000 people in a country of 5 million who are not registered viewers.

[alzee]

I have paid mine last year it is due in Aug again, they have my name, so if I call them and say I am not using the tv for receiving broadcasts cause I just woke up last year, and I don't watch any of their shite any more, how do you think that will go.

It'll go the usual way. They'll tell you that they need to send someone to your home to confirm that you don't in fact require a license.

You are completely and utterly within your own rights to refuse them access to your property when they arrive. You can also write to them to withdraw the "implied right of access". That'll stop them turning up on your doorstep ;)

[wez004]

I have paid mine last year it is due in Aug again, they have my name, so if I call them and say I am not using the TV for receiving broadcasts cause I just woke up last year, and I don't watch any of their shite any more, how do you think that will go.

First thing don't renew it. Your address will come flagged as unlicensed on their database. You will then get the a monthly letter from Val threatening all manor of things like £ 1000 fines and a criminal record. The letters will come every month, month in and month out unrelentless. However this is the only weapon they have. After you've received a few of these letters they start to loose their impact and you can see them for what they are ridiculous.

Don't be worried by threats of visits they're stretched pretty thin and if you're in the queue for a visit you're gonna have to wait a long time.

Better still get rid of that TV I've stopped watching it and genuinly don't fall into the critiera for needing a lience my tv is now a monitor.

[yozhik]

First thing don't renew it. Your address will come flagged as unlicensed on their database. You will then get the a monthly letter from Val threatening all manor of things like £ 1000 fines and a criminal record. The letters will come every month, month in and month out unrelentless.

They will come for years ...

Somewhere on here is a link to one man's battle with them; he received these threatening yet meaningless letters, for 3 years.

[disorder2k8]

with all these new web based players, like iplayer you dont really need one

there are lots of free TV torrent sites too

[wez004]

Dear TV Gestapo,

Re: your request for notification and visitation by Enforcement officer

Please rearrange this ever popular phrase.
The order of the words has been scrambled to make our correspondence more "fun" and interactive;

OFF ... FUCK

Regards,

The person who pays your fucking wages!

Better: The person who is not prepared to pay your fucking wages.

[forestgrump]

I have paid mine last year it is due in Aug again, they have my name, so if I call them and say I am not using the tv for receiving broadcasts cause I just woke up last year, and I don't watch any of their shite any more, how do you think that will go.

When I did this years ago, I just phoned them up and told them that I was only using the TV to watch videos. They removed my name from their mailing list and I did not receive a visit.

What would be the point of them sending an inspector anyway? There's the TV, there's the aerial. One is not plugged into the other. Thankyou very much.

[yozhik]

When I did this years ago, I just phoned them up and told them that I was only using the TV to watch videos. They removed my name from their mailing list and I did not receive a visit.

What would be the point of them sending an inspector anyway? There's the TV, there's the aerial. One is not plugged into the other. Thankyou very much.

The biggest issue is by responding to their invitation to contract; you agree to contract.

[ex sheep]

Better still get rid of that TV I've stopped watching it and genuinly don't fall into the critiera for needing a lience my tv is now a monitor.

I have not watched tv for about 9months now, I can't stand it, I hate the fuckin thing, it actually gives me a headache, and that's just being near it, its all crap that's on it, but I have a wife and kid, and I'm trying to wean them off it :D

[wez004]

I have not watched tv for about 9months now, I can't stand it, I hate the fuckin thing, it actually gives me a headache, and that's just being near it, its all crap that's on it, but I have a wife and kid, and I'm trying to wean them off it :D

Good for you. TV is used to keep people in a vegetative state filling their heads full of lies and rubbish. While people cabbage in front of the TV they are not thinking critically and objectively about things. Once you get away from it you have more free time to do important stuff like research, hobbies and integrating with real people.

I was at a friends house over the weekend and they live with the TV on and I realised what a fucking vile intrusion it is. A constant annoying noise. I turned it off much to there disgust.

The human mind has a real big capacity to be entertained. That's why there's a proliferation of entertainment devices. Cinema, DVDs Video Games, ipod etc. This keeps us disconnected from what's really important in our lives.

[yozhik]

Our family has been without television for over a year now.

The initial "cold turkey" period was tough ... damn tough ... but once through the initial detox, we've never looked back.

[newspresenter]

Don't pay it. Don't answer the door to them. No matter how they spin the letters to you with fear, how much they knock on your door (which is rare), just completely ignore them, works for me.
You need a licence if you have anything that can pick up a tv programme, tv, video recorder, PC/Mobile phone/playstation? with internet connection.

Apparently, its against the law for the BBC to charge us a fee to recieve information under the EU constitution freedom of information rule.
I would like to see that law.


The latest BBC scandal - which has seen £100,000 spent ferrying two executives by limousine a few miles to work and back over a year - has once again called into question the licence fee arrangement with that corporation.

The BBC has the largest budget of any UK broadcaster with a 2007 operating expenditure of £4.3 billion. This compares to £3.8 billion for British Sky Broadcasting, £1.9 billion for ITV and £214 million for GCap Media (the largest commercial radio broadcaster).

The BBC gets its funding from licence fees extracted from each British household that has a television. This amounts to £3.1 billion, with the rest being made up of commercial international services. The BBC receives a further £239.1 million in grants from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office for its international service.

The BBC currently operates on a £2 billion deficit, and has recently sacked 7,200 staff.

Despite this, a Freedom of Information request has shown that current director general Mark Thompson and his deputy Mark Byford are ferried to work in luxury limousines at huge cost to the corporation.

Mr Thompson, who earns £816,000 a year, takes the train to London from his home in an exclusive area of Oxford, before being collected from the station by his driver.

Mr Byford, whose salary is more than £510,000, travels from his home in Winchester into Waterloo, where he is also met by a driver. Both executives are then ferried just a few miles to Television Centre, prompting critics to question why they could not take public transport, or even a black cab.

A taxi would cost £40, return bus journey would cost £2, and a tube ticket would cost less than £5 each day.

A spokesman for the Taxpayers Alliance said: “It is unfair that BBC bosses are cruising around in luxury at the expense of licence fee payers.”

Other details released under the Freedom of Information Act show the broadcaster spent £15 million on flights and £24.5 million on hotels and conferences in the past year.
http://bnp.org.uk/tag/bbc-licence-fee/

[dharmic one]

I have received two letters from these people who I believe have nothing to do with the bbc, they are owned and operated by a firm called consignia, I have not yet asked them about this for they have failed to answer most of the questions I have asked.

All they are actually prepared to establish in a properly signed document is that "The TV license is a legal permission.....that is not a result of a service provided or the result of a contract". They do not wish to discuss the definition, withinthe AOP that they quote as their authority, of the word person.

They also refuse to state how this statute applies to me.

They wrote to the address stating with absolute certainty that I was breaking "the law" if I was watching TV without a license. I asked them what law and their authority fell apart when I asked them for definitions. I have no interest or obligation to tell anyone what I do in my home, as per previous posts on here. They have taken no action except to change who they are addressing the letters to.

They now address all of their mail to "the occupier", in full knowledge of my name and my understanding and obviously in the vain hope that I am ignorant enough to keep replying to their nutcase entities, fictions all.

I do this with Birmingham City Council. Birmingham Magistrates, Severn Trent, Equita bailiffs, Barclays, all have backed down in their threats. Find and process the info yourself, ask questions, find ways of tricking them into answering you, even if it means you simply ask on the phone if they can speak to MR such and such - am I obliged to answer your question? They will all put the phone down when you start asking questions.

None of these people have any authority as all actions that begin against me normally start with an implied contract between me and the agency or department or the state. Some I have unknowingly entered into so I am in the long process of extracting myself from them.

They have never refuted any of my understandings or claims and are very very careful in how they behave once they find out that I just won't take their shit.

I'm no barrister, ready to take on the whole world in court, but I do know who I am and that is enough....I start every letter with who I am and who I am not. That is half the battle......

No one else can tell us who we are.....we have to establish it for ourselves by changing our points of view. This to me is what life is about, the only constant is change.

[signalnorth]

"I start every letter with who I am and who I am not"


How do you mean?

[deem]

Try this site, mind you, i just hide the tv, its handy if you only have a portable.http://www.tpuc.org/stoppayingtvliciencefees

[jesuitsdidit]

i would buy a couple of TV stamps
ie £5 or 10
then at least u can say u've contributed something
i disagree with a licence for every set in the house
i'd ve thought they cd add £5 or 10 per set
the other is unworkable imo..

[nightwalker]

I have not watched tv for about 9months now, I can't stand it, I hate the fuckin thing, it actually gives me a headache, and that's just being near it, its all crap that's on it, but I have a wife and kid, and I'm trying to wean them off it :D

I am so glad thats its not just me who feels this way about the TV - I have come to hate it with a passion :mad:

[dreamweaver]

I am so glad thats its not just me who feels this way about the TV - I have come to hate it with a passion :mad:

You're far from the only one, nightwalker, and I'm someone who used to actually work in TV.

When I visit friends' houses where they have it blaring away in the corner, I hate the way it just "barks" at you the whole time. I think it's very rude for people to keep the TV on when they have visitors anyway, so I tend to avoid visiting those people again when they do that.

[nightwalker]

You're far from the only one, nightwalker, and I'm someone who used to actually work in TV.

When I visit friends' houses where they have it blaring away in the corner, I hate the way it just "barks" at you the whole time. I think it's very rude for people to keep the TV on when they have visitors anyway, so I tend to avoid visiting those people again when they do that.

Totally 110% with you on this!

Unfortunately most people I know sit in front of it googled eyed all evening and take in all the crap. They think I am the weird one for wanting to chuck the bloody thing out of the window :confused:

[aryan57]

Received a letter from TV licensing at the weekend. I wrote on the unopemed envelope:

"Return to Sender. No Contract" and dropped in back into the post box.

To think that I once used to open these things because on the outside, it said : "Urgent". Urgent for whom?

[flickflack]

The most simple and honest way to avoid the TV license would be to sell or get rid of the TV. TV license is only for those who have a TV. No matter if you watch on it or not; if you have a TV you are supposed to pay the license. I think it's simple as that.

[nightwalker]

The most simple and honest way to avoid the TV license would be to sell or get rid of the TV. TV license is only for those who have a TV. No matter if you watch on it or not; if you have a TV you are supposed to pay the license. I think it's simple as that.

Not at all true. The license is if you receive and watch live tv broadcast on your tv. You do not need a license for simply owning a TV or using it for the sole purpose of watching DVD's and videos etc.

Please dont post misinformation.

[flickflack]

Not at all true. The license is if you receive and watch live tv broadcast on your tv. You do not need a license for simply owning a TV or using it for the sole purpose of watching DVD's and videos etc.

Please dont post misinformation.

I'm sorry about that. Maybe I pay the license because I do watch TV.

[dharmic one]

"I start every letter with who I am and who I am not"


How do you mean?

For example....

I state clearly and specifically;

that I am not the fiction established by the government without my consent and without the nature of the process being properly divulged to my parents.One that appears to exist only on paper,

that I am elizabeth mary of the family windsor, a blessed soul in living in a common law jurisdiction

I state that I am a responsible adult and not a child

This is to establish that I intend to act responsibly and peacefully in my dealings, I have a certain understanding of the law ( as we all do) and that I do not comprehend the nature of their demand or it's origin ( again, like many of us)

As long as I ask questions, particularly those that I am confident they do not wish to answer, no party can claim that a controversy has arisen (called a challenge on a PCN) that requires adjudication over by a judge. no court action, no threats, normally more demands.

However, their demands become much more polite and if you are polite but ask important questions, their demands begin to lose importance.

Would you pay the bill in the restaurant before seeing it, not recalling what you have eaten?

I merely insist on seeing the bill, which they have never sent me, only demands with billing dates. Very sneaky, but the scams are being revealed all over the country.

I hope that explains what I meant...

[dharmic one]

The most simple and honest way to avoid the TV license would be to sell or get rid of the TV. TV license is only for those who have a TV. No matter if you watch on it or not; if you have a TV you are supposed to pay the license. I think it's simple as that.

I feel the need to correct you here my friend, you stated, "TV License is only for those who have a TV."

The truth is, you "need" a TV License because you're behaviour or lack of ability to rebut presumption and assumptions of people who like to extort money from you, indicate that you are a person.

Do you ever ask yourself,

what actual power to demand money and information about what I do in my own home does any company have?

Where do they get this power from?

Do not make the mistake of assuming that all the people demanding promissary notes from you are part of the big bad government. They aint that big or bad, they just want you to keep thinking that they are and that us poor souls could not last a day on this earth without them.

I wonder what you actually mean when you say you are "supposed" to pay a license?

I think the title of the thread is misleading, there is no need whatsoever to avoid paying anything. You can only avoid what is mandatory or required or something that exists as an obligation.

Who here has managed to establish that the TV License is correctly due and authorised by parliament?

[uncia]

The most simple and honest way to avoid the TV license would be to sell or get rid of the TV. TV license is only for those who have a TV. No matter if you watch on it or not; if you have a TV you are supposed to pay the license. I think it's simple as that.
I think it is too. There is something in law known as a presumption. The presumption is that if you own a TV that works, and it is connected to an aerial, that it is watched. Perhaps if you have no TV aerial, the presumption might be open to rebuttal. However the best way to avoid aggravation with the law is simply to not own a TV, or TV card, or a TV aerial. If you need a monitor for connecting to a video, there are plenty available that don't have TV capability.

[dharmic one]

I think it is too. There is something in law known as a presumption. The presumption is that if you own a TV that works, and it is connected to an aerial, that it is watched. Perhaps if you have no TV aerial, the presumption might be open to rebuttal. However the best way to avoid aggravation with the law is simply to not own a TV, or TV card, or a TV aerial. If you need a monitor for connecting to a video, there are plenty available that don't have TV capability.

I believe you yourself are also acting upon a presumption here, many of us are assuming that the "law" TV Licensing assures you of breaking when watching a TV without a license actually applies to us.

[uncia]

I believe you yourself are also acting upon a presumption here, many of us are assuming that the "law" TV Licensing assures you of breaking when watching a TV without a license actually applies to us.

Ultimately law is a matter of coercion. All theories of law must give way to what judges do. Many eminent jurists have realized this. Contrariwise, if a law is enacted but not enforced, then it justifiably ceases to be regarded as law.

Whatever the theory of law says about TV licensing, the only thing that counts is what happens if and when you are brought before the court.

[merlincove]

Received a letter from TV licensing at the weekend. I wrote on the unopemed envelope:

"Return to Sender. No Contract" and dropped in back into the post box.

To think that I once used to open these things because on the outside, it said : "Urgent". Urgent for whom?

if you don't watch their propganda works this is the best way.

And if you are feeling really devilish, you can put a line through where it says TV Licensing on the return address and write a different title. i did, though it may be inapropriate to tell you what i wrote there, it wan not polite :rolleyes:

[dharmic one]

Ultimately law is a matter of coercion. All theories of law must give way to what judges do. Many eminent jurists have realized this. Contrariwise, if a law is enacted but not enforced, then it justifiably ceases to be regarded as law.

Whatever the theory of law says about TV licensing, the only thing that counts is what happens if and when you are brought before the court.

I agree with this almost completely. I disagree with the assertion that what happens in court is the only thing that counts. It is of the utmost importance that people do not go bouncing into court thinking that the law just doesn't apply to them.

I genuinely believe that it is far too late to save your ass by the time you are in court. There is already a controversy to be put before the judge.

The real skill in dealing with such things is to remain in honour whilst diffusing any attempts on their part to draw you into controversy. They will all try to.

For it is their only hope of getting the money once you start asking perfectly pertinent questions.

[uncia]

For it is their only hope of getting the money once you start asking perfectly pertinent questions.
You are not in court to ask questions but to give answers. It never looks good in court if one is found with a working TV in one's home without a TV license. What answer will you give?

My advice: don't own a TV if you're not prepared to pay the license fee, and don't pick up TV signals on an antenna because that is how they catch you with their detectors.

[nightwalker]

[QUOTE=uncia;1015713]You are not in court to ask questions but to give answers. It never looks good in court if one is found with a working TV in one's home without a TV license. What answer will you give?QUOTE]

Um, I would tell them that I use it to watch my DVDs and that my husband uses it as a monitor for his xbox. How is that breaking their so called law?Your point is?

[alzee]

You are not in court to ask questions but to give answers. It never looks good in court if one is found with a working TV in one's home without a TV license. What answer will you give?

My advice: don't own a TV if you're not prepared to pay the license fee, and don't pick up TV signals on an antenna because that is how they catch you with their detectors.

The detector vans are bullshit propaganda :rolleyes:

Not one single person has ever been convicted using detector van evidence.

[uncia]

[QUOTE=uncia;1015713]
Um, I would tell them that I use it to watch my DVDs and that my husband uses it as a monitor for his xbox. How is that breaking their so called law?Your point is?
My point is that the judge could say: "you don't need to buy a TV to do that - I find you guilty".

My further point is: why create all the trouble for yourself?

[nightwalker]

[QUOTE=nightwalker;1015729]
My point is that the judge could say: "you don't need to buy a TV to do that - I find you guilty".

My further point is: why create all the trouble for yourself?

Its no trouble to me at all I can assure you. The judge can assume what he likes - in a court of law he must prove that I use my TV to watch live broadcast television so he is on a hiding for nothing. End of.

You know in some ways I find your post quite sad. Cowing down to the system and not causing 'trouble' is whats got us in to this mess in the first place.

[rosix]

[QUOTE=nightwalker;1015729]
My point is that the judge could say: "you don't need to buy a TV to do that - I find you guilty".

My further point is: why create all the trouble for yourself?

why have any trouble in your life? I'm sure you can go somewhere and volunteer to be the first person who has every 'difficult' decision in their life managed by the state.

lol....

[uncia]

[QUOTE=uncia;1015821]

Its no trouble to me at all I can assure you. The judge can assume what he likes - in a court of law he must prove that I use my TV to watch live broadcast television so he is on a hiding for nothing. End of.

You know in some ways I find your post quite sad. Cowing down to the system and not causing 'trouble' is whats got us in to this mess in the first place.
Owning a TV without a TV license is like driving past a speed camera 10% over the speed limit and then arguing that the court never took the inaccuracy in your speedo into account. You are asking the court to take your intention not to watch TV into account. Court can't see that intention but it can see an intention to use one, as the fact of the matter is that 99% of people who own a TV use it.

[alzee]

[QUOTE=nightwalker;1015857]
Owning a TV without a TV license is like driving past a speed camera 10% over the speed limit and then arguing that the court never took the inaccuracy in your speedo into account. You are asking the court to take your intention not to watch TV into account. Court can't see that intention but it can see an intention to use one, as the fact of the matter is that 99% of people who own a TV use it.

That's a terrible analogy. The fact remains that you have to be using a device to watch Live Broadcasts - if you're doing that, whether it be on a TV, pc, whatever, then you're liable to pay the license. You are allowed to own both a pc and a tv for other purposes without qualifying to pay this tax.

Would you say owning a PC is 'asking for trouble'? :rolleyes:

[ex sheep]

TV licences are bullshit we don't need one, we pay for everything in this world to enrich the few, its all bullshit.

[nightwalker]

[QUOTE=nightwalker;1015857]
Owning a TV without a TV license is like driving past a speed camera 10% over the speed limit and then arguing that the court never took the inaccuracy in your speedo into account. You are asking the court to take your intention not to watch TV into account. Court can't see that intention but it can see an intention to use one, as the fact of the matter is that 99% of people who own a TV use it.

I suggest you appraise yourself of the law as your facts are totally incorrect and not even worth arguing with. Stop sowing disinformation :mad:

[smoke n mirrors]

[QUOTE=uncia;1015924]

I suggest you appraise yourself of the law as your facts are totally incorrect and not even worth arguing with. Stop sowing disinformation :mad:

Ditto! And use the search facility here there are links to help you establish the licensing regulations and acts.

You have no obligation under law to communicate with Television Licensing.

The "written answers" in Parliament on Monday 15-05-2006, a question was asked regarding whether there was a legal requirement to communicate with Television Licensing.

Shaun Woodward
Parliamentary Under-Secretary, Department for Culture, Media & Sport answered:

"A television licence is required to install or use a television receiver, as defined in regulations made by the Secretary of State, rather than a television set.
Members of the public who do not require a television licence are under no obligation to inform TV Licensing of the fact".

And theres plenty more!

[wez004]

You are not in court to ask questions but to give answers. It never looks good in court if one is found with a working TV in one's home without a TV license. What answer will you give?

My advice: don't own a TV if you're not prepared to pay the license fee, and don't pick up TV signals on an antenna because that is how they catch you with their detectors.

Court? Nobody has to go to court. The only people who end up in court are the people that consent to going to court. It's simple really.

1 Sign their paperwork.
2 Go to court.

What would I say. I'd tell them to mind thier own business take thier paperwork stick it where the sun don't shine and fuck off at the same time.

[uncia]

I suggest you appraise yourself of the law as your facts are totally incorrect and not even worth arguing with. Stop sowing disinformation :mad:

As per a previous post

A television licence is required to install or use a television receiver ...

I am totally correct. So stop arguing with me and spreading disinformation.

[nightwalker]

As per a previous post


I am totally correct. So stop arguing with me and spreading disinformation.


Having a TV set which you use for watching dvds and as a games console screen is not against the law and does not require a license.

Its that simple :rolleyes:

[alzee]

As per a previous post

"A television licence is required to install or use a television receiver ... "


I am totally correct. So stop arguing with me and spreading disinformation.

The TV receiver must be set-up to receive Live Broadcasts, i.e.: plugged into an aerial. Only then are you liable to pay the license.

[uncia]

The TV receiver must be set-up to receive Live Broadcasts, i.e.: plugged into an aerial. Only then are you liable to pay the license.
Source of authority?

[flickflack]

I wonder what you actually mean when you say you are "supposed" to pay a license?




It's our duty to pay the TV license if we own a TV. I'm doing it, and will continue to do so as long as I have a TV.
I don't think we have the right to avoid paying the license if we own a TV.

If someone only want a screen to play DVD's on and not pay license, I would recommend using a computer instead. In fact, I prefer watching DVD movies on my computer myself, because with software like WinDVD, I'm not depended on having the correct DVD player for different regions-- this is something which is possible to set up in the software. So I can play both my Region1 and Region2 DVD's on my computer. On a typical DVD player on a TV, it's usually just one of those types I can play.

[alzee]

Source of authority?

Do I need a TV Licence?

You must be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV. It makes no difference what equipment you use - whether it’s a laptop, PC, mobile phone, digital box, DVD recorder or a TV set - you still need a licence.

Source (http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/index.jsp)

[uncia]

Do I need a TV Licence?

You must be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV. It makes no difference what equipment you use - whether it’s a laptop, PC, mobile phone, digital box, DVD recorder or a TV set - you still need a licence.

Source (http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/index.jsp)
I meant, the fact that an aerial needs to be connected. Somehow I doubt that disconnection to an aerial will influence anyone as they can be plugged into a portable one at a moment's notice.

[alzee]

Ok, youre being deliberately obtuse. Enjoy yourself.

[wez004]

I meant, the fact that an aerial needs to be connected. Somehow I doubt that disconnection to an aerial will influence anyone as they can be plugged into a portable one at a moment's notice.

Quite how you would get into the position of having to debate with anybody who claims authority about aerials plugged or not plugged in is beyond me. If you're in that situation you got there by your own consent so tough shit pay the fine. This thread is going nowhere.

[smoke n mirrors]

As per a previous post


I am totally correct. So stop arguing with me and spreading disinformation.

Why don't you look at this and do some research instead of talking crap!

This wiki page has links, to the acts and regulations it doesn't come easier than that! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_United_Kingdom

Come back and say sorry when you're done. ;)

Toot toot

[uncia]

Its all here (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts2003/ukpga_20030021_en_34)
Don't need to be a genius to work out that if they suspect you of having a TV that is usable and unboxed or a TV card plugged into your computer, then (a) they can get a warrant to search your premises (b) you have no defense if they find one, aerial or no aerial.

[nightwalker]

It's our duty to pay the TV license if we own a TV. I'm doing it, and will continue to do so as long as I have a TV.

Unbelievable :rolleyes: Our "duty"???? Seriously, thank you, its been a bit of a crap day and thats the best laugh I have had in all of it.

They've certainly got you well trained and nicely in your little box of conformity. It beggars belief that you really believe in this it really does. I take it that you dont pertain to being 'awake' otherwise that really would be taking the p**s :rolleyes:

[nightwalker]

Quite how you would get into the position of having to debate with anybody who claims authority about aerials plugged or not plugged in is beyond me. If you're in that situation you got there by your own consent so tough shit pay the fine. This thread is going nowhere.

I think we are banging our heads against a brick wall - its a bit too complex for them it seems.

Shame on us for challenging our "duty" (you gotta laugh :D)

[wez004]

Its all here (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts2003/ukpga_20030021_en_34)
Don't need to be a genius to work out that if they suspect you of having a TV that is usable and unboxed or a TV card plugged into your computer, then (a) they can get a warrant to search your premises (b) you have no defense if they find one, aerial or no aerial.

You are talking hypothetical nonsense. This is the same terror tactics that the TV Licensing guys in Bristol use. Bullshit.

[shansuke]

i dont have a tv and they still keep pestering me,they dont think of putting letters thru my door,oh no that would be to easy,instead they jam the letter in the side of the door woth a big pay now on it,seriously they think they can shame me in to paying.
even if i had one(which i dont)i would never pay.

still i wont let them in untill they bring the police with a warrent,then they will realise they have been wasting not only their time,but the money that those of you who do pay them.

oh and if they try and make me get one for my radio which i do have then i will smash it with a hammer in front of them and put it in the bin,let them take me to court,they will never win.

[merlincove]

What we are forgetting is that any licensing act of referal is an act of statute law and therefore none applicable.

It is all bullshit, another stealth tax.

So why can't we write to them and telll them such?

They have no authority unless we give them it.

[forestgrump]

Source of authority?

On this point - http://tvlicensing.metafaq.com/templates/tvlicensing/main/answerPage?_mftvst:answerRef=%24http%3a%2f%2fapi.t ransversal.com%2fmfapi%2fobjectref%2fEntryStore%2f Entry%2fhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.metafaq.com%2fmfapi%2fMet afaq%2fClients%2ftvlicensing%2fModules%2flicensing Info%2fTopics%2fgeneral%3a134832%3a5&_mftvst:moduleID=%24licensingInfo&_mftvst:topicID=%24&id=SFSNNK7CSBRJ9U9FB03AE0P7J6

As copied and pasted on the first page of this thread. I think the TV licencing web site is a fair source of authority.

[wez004]

On this point - http://tvlicensing.metafaq.com/templates/tvlicensing/main/answerPage?_mftvst:answerRef=%24http%3a%2f%2fapi.t ransversal.com%2fmfapi%2fobjectref%2fEntryStore%2f Entry%2fhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.metafaq.com%2fmfapi%2fMet afaq%2fClients%2ftvlicensing%2fModules%2flicensing Info%2fTopics%2fgeneral%3a134832%3a5&_mftvst:moduleID=%24licensingInfo&_mftvst:topicID=%24&id=SFSNNK7CSBRJ9U9FB03AE0P7J6

As copied and pasted on the first page of this thread. I think the TV licencing web site is a fair source of authority.

Nice one. Case closed. Job done.

[merlincove]

i love their audacity tho!

We say you need a licence, we have legislative rule that says it and we work with that to make sure you comply. But if you do not meet the criteria of the legislative rule then you need to tell us, it is an order.

So where is the inocent till proven guilty in that?

Fu(k em is what i say - i don';t watch tv anyway, haven't done for many years. But if you wanna watch tv then why do we need a license? What is the license for? If i did want to watch tv, but only itv or sky, that is paid for through advertisement and subscription, why should i purchase another license, why gives someone in a suit in london the right to tell me i need a licesne?

Case closed or whatever, it is still legalised robery, and their letters are nothing short of threat.

The ads on the street 'we know where you live' leave a very bad taste.

They can't inforce their law whether you eatch it or not.

[charles d ward]

I have never payed the license, nor will I in the future. They can shove it...

Catch me if you can :p

[ex sheep]

I once knew a guy and this is straight up, who sold his tv to buy a video recorder when they first came out. :D

So he definitly wouldn't need a licence.

[alzee]

I once knew a guy and this is straight up, who sold his tv to buy a video recorder when they first came out. :D

So he definitly wouldn't need a licence.

Actually, he would need a license if he was recording live broadcasts, whether or not he could watch them. :o

[crystaljunkie]

Anyone who pays is bending to the will of corporate law, simple.

Sheeple pay it because they believe that they have to, who says they have to pay it?

Corporate law. The policy makers.

Did John H say that the TV licensing is a plc owned by INSIGNIA, which is a subsidery of Alistair Darling Mp plc? i think that he did say that. If someone else can confirm that it would be nice.

Anyone who pays the license fee is paying mr d.

if you don't sign anything, don't give them anything, they can not do anything.

[gemgem]

First thing don't renew it. Your address will come flagged as unlicensed on their database. You will then get the a monthly letter from Val threatening all manor of things like £ 1000 fines and a criminal record. The letters will come every month, month in and month out unrelentless. However this is the only weapon they have. After you've received a few of these letters they start to loose their impact and you can see them for what they are ridiculous.

Don't be worried by threats of visits they're stretched pretty thin and if you're in the queue for a visit you're gonna have to wait a long time.

Better still get rid of that TV I've stopped watching it and genuinly don't fall into the critiera for needing a lience my tv is now a monitor.

Agreed, but beware. I know a friend who was prosecuted, despite the fact she genuinely did get rid of her TV. She was pretty heavily fined. Thank goodness it is only illusion.

www.thezeitgeistmovement.com

www.tpuc.com

www.thevenusproject.com

[uncia]

On this point - http://tvlicensing.metafaq.com/templates/tvlicensing/main/answerPage?_mftvst:answerRef=%24http%3a%2f%2fapi.t ransversal.com%2fmfapi%2fobjectref%2fEntryStore%2f Entry%2fhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.metafaq.com%2fmfapi%2fMet afaq%2fClients%2ftvlicensing%2fModules%2flicensing Info%2fTopics%2fgeneral%3a134832%3a5&_mftvst:moduleID=%24licensingInfo&_mftvst:topicID=%24&id=SFSNNK7CSBRJ9U9FB03AE0P7J6

As copied and pasted on the first page of this thread. I think the TV licencing web site is a fair source of authority.
Interesting. That is an example of a self-imposed practice direction detracting from the letter of the law. I don't think it would provide you with a defense in a court but it is clear that if you do as they request they are less likely to prosecute for merely owning an "installed" TV.

[wez004]

Agreed, but beware. I know a friend who was prosecuted, despite the fact she genuinely did get rid of her TV. She was pretty heavily fined. Thank goodness it is only illusion.


Thanks for that. So she got a pretty heavy fine even though she had got rid of her TV. errrm??? And did she tell you what evidence was presented to the courts? please tell me.

[wez004]

Interesting. That is an example of a self-imposed practice direction detracting from the letter of the law. I don't think it would provide you with a defense in a court but it is clear that if you do as they request they are less likely to prosecute for merely owning an "installed" TV.

Again more hypothetical nonsense. I'm beginning to think you work in Bristol and actually believe this shit.

[juddfinn]

Owning a TV without a TV license is like driving past a speed camera 10% over the speed limit and then arguing that the court never took the inaccuracy in your speedo into account. You are asking the court to take your intention not to watch TV into account. Court can't see that intention but it can see an intention to use one, as the fact of the matter is that 99% of people who own a TV use it.

Firstly: All Speed Cameras are set 10% plus 2 mph over the speed limit to avoid those "error margins"

Secondly: You CAN NOT get a licence for something that is unLAWful. Licence is all about a form of control & revenue raising, nothing more.

Thirdly: def. of "intention" counts for a lot... and I'd look up intention in the dictionary going by your own bias on the word... and what about the courtspeak of "mitigating circs..." etc etc

Fourthly: There is no Fourthly:)

[smoke n mirrors]

Its all here (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts2003/ukpga_20030021_en_34)
Don't need to be a genius to work out that if they suspect you of having a TV that is usable and unboxed or a TV card plugged into your computer, then (a) they can get a warrant to search your premises (b) you have no defense if they find one, aerial or no aerial.

You're quite right you don't need to be a genius. So why are you struggling on this?

[uncia]

Again more hypothetical nonsense. I'm beginning to think you work in Bristol and actually believe this shit.
It's all immaterial to me as I have not owned a TV for over twenty years.

However, from http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/international/bbc.htmli read
Every day we catch an average of 1,200 people using a TV without a licence.
Seems to me that your cavalier attitude is going to land some people in hot water - and you won't be paying their fine I take it?

[uncia]

.... why are you struggling on this?
I know nothing about TV licensing, not having owned one for twenty years, and then only for a few months. It's against my religion to pay a TV license, so I don't own a TV.

[saicosis]

It's all immaterial to me as I have not owned a TV for over twenty years.

Seems to me that your cavalier attitude is going to land some people in hot water - and you won't be paying their fine I take it?

I'm from the states so I don't know a whole lot about this licensing issue, first.

That quote doesn't say what they DO to those 1200 a day. Let them catch you, like has been said over and over in this thread if you don't sign anything and you don't let them in your home, what can they do?

Since you seem to enjoy analogies let me put it this way.

Computer games. When you go to the store to purchase a computer game, what you're really doing is buying a license to use the software, not to own it. If you do not want the game, do not pay for it. Owning a PC does not mean you intend to use any companies software, and owning a PC does not mean that you MUST pay for licenses to use software you do not want.

It'd be like Electronic Arts asserting that because I own a PC that I must pay them X amount of money for license to use their software (games) on my computer regardless of whether or not the software is on the machine.

That's the same as asserting that you MUST pay a license to watch the broadcast programming regardless of whether your television is being used to watch their programming.

What Uncia seems to believe is that they are charging a license to own a television. How could they do that if they did not manufacture the television? I dont think the manufacturer would be happy about that.

[smoke n mirrors]

I know nothing about TV licensing

So what the hell are you talking about? :confused: I haven't watched TV since 98, but I do have a TV as a monitor. I read both documents and established the facts I don't require a license!

And before you tell me that I can buy a monitor thats not a TV tuner...I know! But at the time, there was no monitor of the equivalent spec at the same price and the additional inputs serve other purposes not relating to TV. So why, should I be persecuted for buying the best option, based on the fact it could receive propaganda and disinformation?

Toot toot

[wez004]

So what the hell are you talking about? :confused: I haven't watched TV since 98, but I do have a TV as a monitor. I read both documents and established the facts I don't require a license!

And before you tell me that I can buy a monitor thats not a TV tuner...I know! But at the time, there was no monitor of the equivalent spec at the same price and the additional inputs serve other purposes not relating to TV. So why, should I be persecuted for buying the best option, based on the fact it could receive propaganda and disinformation?

Toot toot

Please don't indulge uncia any further. uncia is an agent of nonsense and a windup merchant.

[asha loka]

I bought a TV to use as a monitor for video making.

I got the usual letters, and a phone call. I told them the situation. They asked if they could visit. I said they'd be welcome any time. It would be a nice day out for them from Bristol, and they'd enjoy the drive.

That was that. I get the usual six monthly 'To the occupier' fishing letters, which I ignore. After seven years I haven't had a visit.

[ex sheep]

I know nothing about TV licensing, not having owned one for twenty years, and then only for a few months.

So did you have a licence for a couple of months, and for you not knowing nothing about TV licensing, you are the top poster on this subject :D

[nightwalker]

I know nothing about TV licensing, .

Yes, your posts have made that very clear.

[dharmic one]

William Stone
TV LICENSING
BRISTOL
BS98 1TL

Paul Ford
C/O 36 Denham Court
Erdington
Birmingham
B23 7XZ

21st April 2009

Without Prejudice

Dear William,

I am thankful for your letter, dated 31st March 2009. I would like to make clear two points concerning your letter.

1. I have viewed the sections of the Act online that you outlined in your letter. It is my understanding that Acts of Parliament are defined as Statutes having received Royal Assent that are given the force of law by the mutual consent of the governor and the governed. . They are not in point of fact, Law. It is therefore my understanding that my consent (the Governed) is required before any such Act or Statute can be enacted upon me.

It is also my understanding that a License (permission) cannot be granted for an act which is itself unlawful, rendering lawful the use of receiving equipment of any kind. As a responsible divine creation I do not need to seek permission to perform a Lawful activity that is within my communities’ standards.

Could you please state whether you confirm or deny that this corresponds with your understanding, and if not, what your understanding is based upon?

2. Within the Act itself, I could not find a definition within the Act or the preamble of the Act of “person”. Would you be kind enough to provide this information by pointing me to the definition within the Act itself?

I understand that the definition of person at

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/P/Person.aspx is as follows;
“An entity with legal rights and existence including the ability to sue and be sued, to enter into contracts, to receive gifts, to appear in court either by themselves or by lawyer and, generally, other powers incidental to the full expression of an independent entity in law.”
Could you please state whether or not this is an accurate definition of me in this context?

Could you also state how this definition would apply to me, as previously stated, a flesh and blood, living human being, a divine creation of soul gifted with free will, distinctly different in Law to the “person” defined above and referred to in the information that you provided?

It is with this understanding of myself that I will consider accepting your addressing me in your correspondence in the style or the manner of the person in which you insist upon the condition that you are prepared to state that this does not refer to a flesh and blood, living human being, a divine creation of soul gifted with free will or that you are in fact attempting to contact or create joinder between the person/legal fiction that I may or may not possess, whose name is similar to me (who you refer to as Mr P Ford), and me, Paul Ford, a flesh and blood living human being, a divine creation of soul gifted with free will.

If either mentioned intention is the factual, I reserve the right to allow the person that I may or may not possess to contract only with my own consent and do not give you permission to contract with them and should you attempt to contract with them further I may return any mail that is addressed in any other style or title that I have not consented to.

I feel that I also must point out that I may decide to ignore correspondence that is not signed by hand.

I appreciate your offer to provide this service but reserve the right to respectfully decline any further invitations from you.

Namaste,


Paul Ford

[nightwalker]

Paul may I ask a question? Why do you correspond with them? Isnt it better to just ignore them? Interested in your thoughts :)

[dharmic one]

Paul may I ask a question? Why do you correspond with them? Isnt it better to just ignore them? Interested in your thoughts :)

Good question.......

My partner at the time had previously paid the license. I carefully stated to them that I was now responsible for making sure I adhered to the law. I told them I would be happy to purchase a TV License on the conditions that I attached , as is my right.

I asked for a statement of fact pertaining to the law requiring me, a human being ( different in law to the fictional title MR PAUL FORD, upon which most, if not all statutes act) to purchase a TV License.

They responded in a timely fashion with a copy of the section of the act.

They did not include the definitions within the Act itself.

After recieving the second letter they replied and stated that all they could do was confirm what they had said previously and that a TV License was a legal permission When I did not reply they discontinued their attempts to contact me.

Ignoring them if you haven't previously paid them or appeared on their database is an option because you are under no such obligation to answer any questions on the telephone and it is against the law to open another person's mail.

They have chosen to address the occupier in an attempt to trick me into contracting with them again. I believe that no-one has the right to make any legal determination about me and I state my beliefs in my letters. They have never refuted them, merely "noted" them.

So in all knowledge of my identity and my understanding they chose to address "the occupier" with an "urgent" note on the envelope.

Sould they contact me any further I have a letter prepared that I think should end the process.

The important things are as follows:

I have not refused to pay them, I have negotiated.

I have asked for proofs of their claims against me re that I may be breaking the law. They have provided none.

I gave them an opportunity that they declined to accept so their only hope is to regularly attempt to contact "the occupier" and hope someone opens it. It's just a fishing line that they hope will catch something...you put enough of them out and you stand to make alot of money without ever actually committing fraud as.....

"Let he who will be deceived, be deceived".

Someone will bite eventually. I just return them marked "not known at this address, no contract,return to sender"



Hope that helps....:D

[nightwalker]

Hi Paul - yes that is very helpful thank you. You have certainly done your homework :)

[dharmic one]

Hi Paul - yes that is very helpful thank you. You have certainly done your homework :)

Glad to help!

You hit on the most important thing....If I was qualified to give any advice it would be to do your own homework and not just repeat what other people say because all of our situations and needs and rights are different depending on our paperwork giving claim to our rights credence, backed by behaviour of a polite, respectful and precise manner.

If we treat these guys like human beings using words against us we stand a chance of beating them, if we ignore them it just gets worse, that's what I have come to think anyway,

Peace and love people!!

:):)

[curtaincat]

In australia we dont have tv licences. Nobody overseas/abroad can understand why the uk is supposed to pay for such crap.

[leafar]

If you completely ignore all the letters and any visits, is that enough?

And if not, does anyone have a simple letter that i could just send them (containing all the stuff about legal fiction and anything else that i might need to tell them etc etc)?

[breezinreezin]

Dump the box in a skip, no need for a TV license. Simple:cool:

[jesuitsdidit]

i would buy a couple of TV stamps

from post office

[danceswithbunnies]

Dump the box in a skip, no need for a TV license. Simple:cool:


Totally dude...BUT if you can have the TV with a DVD player..and not have it hooked up and avoid the lisencing fee, i would do that.

I haven't had cable/satellite since 1998, i do watch DVDs on a TV though.
I refuse to pay for cable/ satellite..why the hell should i pay for them to dump shit in my mind?

IF i had to pay a licensing fee for the unhooked up TV set though, it would be gone tomorrow.

[dharmic one]

If you completely ignore all the letters and any visits, is that enough?

And if not, does anyone have a simple letter that i could just send them (containing all the stuff about legal fiction and anything else that i might need to tell them etc etc)?

You're more than welcome to copy from my letters anything that you are happy also applies to you, I suggest you keep it as simple as possible as there would be less to have to explain if they ask you what you mean.

Be clear and specific.

Keep it free of accusation and controversy.

Ask genuine questions about what you do not know.

ie...."You have stated that I may be breaking the law. Could you please specify which law and provide a copy of the section of the appropriate Act, including the definitions within the Act itself?"

[breezinreezin]

If you completely ignore all the letters and any visits, is that enough?

And if not, does anyone have a simple letter that i could just send them (containing all the stuff about legal fiction and anything else that i might need to tell them etc etc)?

Any letters I get I recognise immediately and they go in the bin. I've only ever answered the door once to one of these characters, nowdays I wouldn't answer answer the door at all. I know who're coming to see me.

My stance is that I don't have establish innocence, unless I've commited a crime, so why would I let a license dick snoop around my flat. No, no, no.

The BBC broadcast one program that I'm interested in at the moment: Motogp. I can watch that later on iPlayer.

I can't stand the company. Bunch of Marxist traitors.

[danceswithbunnies]

Simple. Phone the TV Licence Company up and ask them to stop sending you their letters as you do not fall into the criteria of requiring a TV licence. They will ask you your name if they don’t have it. Do not give it to them ask them if your are obliged to and they will say no.

They will write saying that 25% of all people who say they don’t need a licence do actually and for this reason they will send someone to visit to check that this is the case.

If you get a visit tell them you do not consent to them entering your home. Tell them that you value your privacy and you can only let people in who have a search warrant. Then ask them if they have any other business say thank you and goodbye. Then close the door. Job done.

I take pride in the fact that in the 25 years I have been responsible for my own homes I have never brought a TV Licence. They can turn the BBC off for all I care bunch of traitorous wankers.

OMG!

I can't believe you all go through this over there!

[dharmic one]

Since they began addressing me differently and I have returned their mail unopened they got someone to come to my flat yesterday....

I thought I was buzzing my GF into the block but I opened the door to see him standing there!! shiwing me his ID!

I offered to show him some paperwork....he thought that I was going to get him a license but I showed him the letters I'd written instead and spoke to him like the kind human being that he was. He wished me luck and went about his business.......he could not rebut my understandings and was happy to listen to my point of view...he found it fascinating.

Again, you don't have to fear these people, just break the assumption that you are breaking the law by not having one...that is all that is necessary in my experience. It doesn't need to be a stressful ordeal.

I've uploaded the letters they sent me at.....

http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=7607245324

under photos.....

I showed him them and asked him why I needed permission from anyone to enjoy my property......He couldn't give me an answer so left me to it......He seemed very interested and open to info and all in all it was a pleasant chat....

Peace everyone.....

[cruise4]

I just don't pay it. There is nothing they can do to me that I care about.

[bobbydiva]

I recently won a TV, and a day after reciving it I got a letter demanding I pay a TV license for the new TV I "purchased". I politely reminded them that my mother already pays it lol

In fact she struggles enough paying it, I may have to point her to this thread.

[miked]

Since they began addressing me differently and I have returned their mail unopened they got someone to come to my flat yesterday....

I thought I was buzzing my GF into the block but I opened the door to see him standing there!! shiwing me his ID!

I offered to show him some paperwork....he thought that I was going to get him a license but I showed him the letters I'd written instead and spoke to him like the kind human being that he was. He wished me luck and went about his business.......he could not rebut my understandings and was happy to listen to my point of view...he found it fascinating.

Again, you don't have to fear these people, just break the assumption that you are breaking the law by not having one...that is all that is necessary in my experience. It doesn't need to be a stressful ordeal.

I've uploaded the letters they sent me at.....

http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=7607245324

under photos.....

I showed him them and asked him why I needed permission from anyone to enjoy my property......He couldn't give me an answer so left me to it......He seemed very interested and open to info and all in all it was a pleasant chat....

Peace everyone.....


This is a lovely post!

You are an example to us all. Like rob Menard says " All you need is a mind, an open heart and just some questions!"

Love to you dharmic one, keep up the good work, Im right by your side:)

Mike

[cruise4]

Should have added, I also no longer have a TV so it's a Moot point. Been a long time since I was so glad to get rid of anything. Sends a shudder down my spine just thinking about watching one now. It really was good riddance.

[jesuitsdidit]

ref my last post

i shd add i do not normally condone breaking the law
which 'attempt to defraud' would be

even if it is the bbc which is clearly a Zionist mouthpiece

but seeing's theyve set up imo an unworkable policy
(each set requiring a licence)
then if yr question concerns that
i'd find it hard to condemn you

if otoh u r just simply trying to avoid paying it fullstop
then all i can say is
thats your business

whether this forum is an appropriate place to discuss such a thing,
i'm not sure..

[curtaincat]

OMG!

I can't believe you all go through this over there!

I know! How can a country tell you to pay for a TV licence? :confused: :confused::confused: :confused:

How do they get away with this?


What will be next? a bed licence? Before you sleep , you must put in some many coins?

It is crazy, and yet it is true...
:mad::eek:

[jesuitsdidit]

I know! How can a country tell you to pay for a TV licence? :confused: :confused::confused: :confused:

How do they get away with this?


What will be next? a bed licence? Before you sleep , you must put in some many coins?

It is crazy, and yet it is true...
:mad::eek:

erm they'll probably just put yr taxes up
you'll pay for it either way
as you should..

admittedly it'd be a lot more pleasant paying it
if we knew we werent funding our own destruction..

[leafar]

Could someone take a look at this :



http://tpuc.org/content/chris-lees-penalty-charge-notice-climb-down



And tell me if i could send this same letter to the tv lic people. If i sent this letter, would that be the end of it?


By the way i pay my license monthly, and im behind, and im tempted to just stop paying.

(And dont anyone tell me to stop paying. This is too serious to mess around with, i need to know where i stand).

[stickwhistler]

By the way i pay my license monthly, and im behind, and im tempted to just stop paying.

(And dont anyone tell me to stop paying. This is too serious to mess around with, i need to know where i stand).

I believe that you will find this site useful.

http://www.tvlicensing.biz/phpBB3/index.php

I stopped paying the tv tax last year - just cancelled the direct debit.
I got my money refunded via my bank account without asking for it.
I ignore the monthly threatogram.
Do what your instinct/heart/intuition etc tells you.

Ignore any unexpected callers.
Do not open the door to anyone you think may be from TV Licensing.
Despite what they tell you, they have the same powers as the Avon Lady
to enter your home without a warrant, and unless they actually see you
watching a broadcast tv prog', or you sign their bit of paper,
which is basically a confession - which they cannot make you do! - they
do not have enough evidence for a warrant, which are very rare anyway.

Look at the above site, ask questions there.
The best advice is NO CONTACT. Ignore, ignore, ignore.

Works for me! :)

[leafar]

But what about the letter? (http://tpuc.org/content/chris-lees-p...ice-climb-down)

If someone knocks on my door, what do i say? Does it matter what i say? If they ask if im (my name) would it matter if i tell them or not? Can i just tell them to go away? Will they come back? Is it true that no one has ever been fined? Will the letters become more threatening? What if i get a court summons? Will i get one? Can i ignore it?

What id like is a simple way to deal with this, without dedicating half my life to it.

[stickwhistler]

But what about the letter? (http://tpuc.org/content/chris-lees-p...ice-climb-down)

If someone knocks on my door, what do i say? Does it matter what i say? If they ask if im (my name) would it matter if i tell them or not? Can i just tell them to go away? Will they come back? .

Do not answer the door. Simple as that!
If you inadvertently open the door, and TVL are there,
shut the door again. Do not speak to them at all.


Is it true that no one has ever been fined? Will the letters become more threatening? What if i get a court summons? Will i get one? Can i ignore it?

What id like is a simple way to deal with this, without dedicating half my life to it.

Just go to the site previously mentioned and read.
All your questions will be answered there.

[leafar]

I did look at the link. Theres just too much going on, too many questions and too much info. Id rather pay it than go through it all*, but thanks anyway. Life is too short for all that. I was hoping for a very simple, straightforward approach. I mean its only a tv license, i would have thought that it could be summed up briefly, without having to study the subject so deeply like that.

Something like :

If they knock on the door, do this
Never say this or that
If you want to send a letter to get rid of them, here it is
If their letters get more and more threatening, dont worry about it at all / do this
You will eventually get a court summons / you wont

I dont want to go to court to justify myself, and i dont want to study the subject so deeply. Surely its not necessary.

* Unless of course youd like to direct me to the right places on that website, where my questions are answered in laymans terms.

[broccoligarden]

[QUOTE=leafar;1077693] I was hoping for a very simple, straightforward approach. I mean its only a tv license,

Maybe you have already viewed this page? http://www.tpuc.org/stoppayingtvlicencefees
It has a fairly simple guide to avoid paying tv license, from the first couple of letters to send and then pretty much all the dialogue you need for a face to face meeting with an inspector.

Just depends whether you like the treason road or not
:)

[leafar]

Ok ive gone through what it says (http://www.tpuc.org/stoppayingtvlicencefees) and basically the message seems to be : Dont sign anything, ever.

So, if i just stop paying the monthly payments, and ignore all letters no matter what they say, even a court summons, and if they knock on my door ignore them / open it but refuse to let them in or sign anything...

...what will happen?

Will i get a court summons?

If so, and i ignore it, what will happen?

Will this affect my credit rating?

Will i get a visit from the police or bailiffs?

Any other consequences?

Does it matter what i verbally say or dont say to someone who knocks on my door (ie, can anything i say / dont say be construed as me committing to any contract? Does it matter if i say that i am (my name) or not?)

Hypothetically, if i stopped paying, and everything was ok, and then in future i started paying again, would i then be liable for everything that i would have paid between stopping and starting again?


I anyone here ignoring the tv license? Ive never done anything like this before and its a bit scary, especially when the letters start talking about fines.

In other words, id need someone to guide me through it.


And, in that link (above), where does it talk about what letters to send and what to say to someone who knocks on my door? I couldnt find that.

[dantesinferno]

Ok ill try to give my experience of this, I have never had a TV licence and I am nearly 40, I am not on their database so I just ignore their letters and when they do call I do not speak to them ,

When I have spoken to them I have refused to answer their questions, such as name, occupation etc. And just state that I do not require a TV licence and to please leave.

Now they will try to intimidate you, lie and bully you, best thing to do is ignore them; this is also how I deal with debt collectors.

Anytime someone calls you on the phone or knocks on the door and asks who you are or tries to get you to confirm personal details then refuse and ask who they are and why they are calling, this is a common trick for these companies.

Also when I buy goods that they say require a TV licence (a blatant lie as the licence is for viewing live broadcast not owning or buying equipment) and they ask for a postcode, I reply by asking for their postcode and then give that.

Most of all don’t panic if faced by these people, if all fails say nothing and close the door or put the phone down.

Hope this helps.

Dante

[leafar]

So basically, stop paying, say nothing, no response whatsoever?

Will i ever end up in court, or get a visit from police or bailiffs?

[freedom from within]

Ok here is what i have done i sent them this letter recorded deliver also photo copy of the letter kept.

TV Licensing,
Bristol,
BS98 1TL.

Dear Sir or Madam,

I inform you that I no longer require a TV license as from (DATE) There is no equipment installed or used at this address that is capable of receiving broadcast TV programmes in the manner prescribed by you. I state this in full awareness of the requirements set out in Part 4 of the Communications Act 2003 on Licensing of TV Reception: also, I am fully aware of the requirements on TV licensing set out in the Communication (Television Licensing) Regulations 2004.

You re invited to reply to this letter in acknowledgement that I have given you formal notice as to my position.

I want no further correspondence from you apart from a reply to this letter. In particular, I do not want to receive from you, reminders that this address is unlicensed. Furthermore, I do not want to receive from you, correspondence suggesting that I might be using TV receiving equipment at this address, requiring investigation by a TV licensing enforcement officer. Any such correspondence will be an offence under the Malicious Communications Act 1988 since you have no reasonable grounds, for demanding that this address requires a TV licence.

I will not tolerate any visit by a TV licensing enforcement officer at my address. Therefore, I withdraw from TV Licensing, its employees and or its agents, the implied right of access to my property at (YOUR ADDRESS HERE) Henceforth, no employee or agent of TV Licensing qualifies as an invitee to my property. Any such person who ventures onto my property at (YOUR ADDRESS HERE) will be trespassing on my land, and I shall not hesitate to seek legal redress for the offence caused.

Signed



:D:D:D


Here was there reply.


http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/V8-Diesel/ReplyBackFromTVL.jpg


just let them try and prove i have one:eek::eek::D:D:D

P.S not had any letters or crap of them since RESULT!

[lottie]

I wonder which G. Paul that was...? :D

[leafar]

Thanks, now thats what im talking about.

How long ago was this, meaning, is all the information in your letter still correct / applicable? I could just use the exact same wording, right?


And again, if anyone can tell me :



If i just stop paying the monthly payments, and ignore all letters no matter what they say, even a court summons, and if they knock on my door ignore them / open it but refuse to let them in or sign anything...

...what will happen?

Will i get a court summons?

If so, and i ignore it, what will happen?

Will this affect my credit rating?

Will i get a visit from the police or bailiffs?

Any other consequences?

Does it matter what i verbally say or dont say to someone who knocks on my door (ie, can anything i say / dont say be construed as me committing to any contract? Does it matter if i say that i am (my name) or not?)

Hypothetically, if i stopped paying, and everything was ok, and then in future i started paying again, would i then be liable for everything that i would have paid between stopping and starting again?

[freedom from within]

Thanks, now thats what im talking about.

How long ago was this, meaning, is all the information in your letter still correct / applicable? I could just use the exact same wording, right?


And again, if anyone can tell me :



If i just stop paying the monthly payments, and ignore all letters no matter what they say, even a court summons, and if they knock on my door ignore them / open it but refuse to let them in or sign anything...

...what will happen?

Will i get a court summons?

If so, and i ignore it, what will happen?

Will this affect my credit rating?

Will i get a visit from the police or bailiffs?

Any other consequences?

Does it matter what i verbally say or dont say to someone who knocks on my door (ie, can anything i say / dont say be construed as me committing to any contract? Does it matter if i say that i am (my name) or not?)

Hypothetically, if i stopped paying, and everything was ok, and then in future i started paying again, would i then be liable for everything that i would have paid between stopping and starting again?


Yes this letter is still used i sent it a couple of months ago like i said not heard nothing since and its up to them to prove i am watching TV.

Let them do the running about:D:D:D:D
But not on my land!!!!

[leafar]

Will i get a court summons?

If so, and i ignore it, what will happen?

Will this affect my credit rating?

Will i get a visit from the police or bailiffs?

Any other consequences?

[dolores1]

Dear leafar,

I have a series of 3 letters but I don't know how to attach these to the forum?
Send me an email and I can send them to you.
Regards
Dolores

[scatlond]

Will i get a court summons?

If so, and i ignore it, what will happen?

Will this affect my credit rating?

Will i get a visit from the police or bailiffs?

Any other consequences?

Hi Leafer, there are 3 words you need to remember. Ignore, ignore and ignore.

[leafar]

Dolores : Check your inbox.





Sorry to repeat myself again but i have to keep asking this, as i am still in the dark :



Will i get a court summons?

Yes or no?


If so, and i ignore it, what will happen?



Will this affect my credit rating?

Yes or no?


Will i get a visit from the police or bailiffs?

Yes or no?


Any other consequences?

???





This is too serious to mess around with, i need straight answers.

[equinox]

All I can say is that I have ignored them for 18 months now since I last payed on the easy entry scheme, nothing has happened.

the other day i got a light blue coloured letter, I think though I'm not certain that someone did come round, there was a bloke in a black bomberjacket standing there, (i live on the first floor, and there is an intercom entry system.

What made me take te plunge was a bloke who hasn't paid for 3/4 years now, his website is www.bbctvlicence.com he uploads every letter he receives each month.
I hope this helps.

[koo_77]

I haven't paid the TV Licence for around 6 or 7 years. I receive a threatening letter once a month addressed to the present occupier which are thrown in the bin. The only way Capita can catch people out is if they can see a TV broadcasting programmes through a window or letter box or if the person living at the address opens the door and admits to receiving a television signal. Capita cannot serve anyone with a court order or get a warrant without evidence that someone is receiving a signal. It really is simple. Capita have zero powers.

There are people on this forum http://www.tvlicensing.biz/phpBB3/index.php that haven't had a TV Licence for over 20 years, these people know what they are talking about. The rules are; ignore all letters and ignore uninvited callers knocking on the door, you are under no legal obligation to communicate with Capita whatsoever. Anyone insisting on paying this tax because they are too scared of idiotic threatening letters should just carry on paying it, they are a lost cause and can only pray they get some balls in their next UK incarnation.

[dantesinferno]

leafar no one can tell you 100% that you will not get a summons, if your that worried you should pay the license,

From what I know you would only get a summons if you make a statement and sign that statement incriminating yourself or the TV guy sees your TV on bbc1.

On the issue of revoking the implied right to access, I wonder if you can do that as The Legal Occupier.

[koo_77]

Even if someone gets rumbled and ends up in court through non payment of the BBC tax, the fine is only about £150. It's still way cheaper to get fined once every few years than pay £142 each year.

I've saved myself about £1,000 not paying it this past few years.

[lauren_almighty]

neither myself or my mum has paid for a tv license for years. the last time was around 2001. somebody showed up last week and i made the mistake of answering the door. normally i check to see if its the tv licensing people but i was expecting a friend to come round at that particular time. she asked my age because she said i looked young and she needed to speak to an 'adult' (i'm 21), i debated at the time to say that i was underage but i knew i couldn't get away with it :o

anyway, she asked who the tenant of the house is and i said it was my mum and i made up some crap that she works til 8pm so that they wouldn't bother us and i can't see them coming round at unsociable hours lol. she got me to sign to say that its ok for them to come round again to speak to her. she can come round as many times as she wants... nobody will be answering the door.

funny thing is, my tv was blaring in the background :D

[leafar]

The last thing i want is for this entire non issue (life is too short for this) to inconvenience me in any way. If someone knocks on my door i want to be free to open it without having to see who it is first. If they start asking me questions without telling me who they are ill know whats going on and ill deal with it in 3 seconds. I dont want to ever go to court, sign anything, do anything, go anywhere, or devote 1 brain cell to this. I dont want to write letters, i dont want to do any research, nothing.

As long as all i have to do is nothing (ie ignore the letters), thats how i want it to be. And from what some people have said, thats doable.

[wez004]

Sorry to repeat myself again but i have to keep asking this, as i am still in the dark :

Will i get a court summons?

Yes or no?


If so, and i ignore it, what will happen?

Will this affect my credit rating?

Yes or no?


Will i get a visit from the police or bailiffs?

Yes or no?


Any other consequences?

???

This is too serious to mess around with, i need straight answers.

1. You will not get a court summons for stopping paying your TV licence. You will only get a summons if you let a TV licensing officer into your home then sign his statement. You have to sign their contract to incriminate yourself.

2. Credit ratings are only affected by county court judgments.

3. The police will not come to your door over not paying tv licence.

3. There are no consequences.

Be strong and stand up for yourself.

[dantesinferno]

never sign anything!

[schwartz]

Half of mainland Europe watch the BBC without licences - but then I suppose Bristol don't have the budget to run to international stamps now that less of you in England have stopped paying!

That reminds me of an old favourite - you get to know who the post paid envelope is from when it flops on the mat without even having to open it.

So why not take a large sheet of brown paper and a house brick. Wrap carefully, cellotape the post paid envelope to one side, and put a nice sticky label over the old address with the original senders address on - making sure not to cover the post paid mark or number! Now drop it off at your main post office who generally have large enough posting boxes to accept house brick size post.

Tip of the day: If you don't have any house bricks laying around there are other things you can send. Old tv components for example, or for those of you who have pets...

Now use your imagination instead of watching the TV, there are countless pre paid envelopes dropping on peoples doormats every day, usually from people we all like to dislike (plenty of banks thats for sure), so lets all make an effort and start recycling those envelopes...

[pinkgrapefruit]

Piece in the Mail...

The BBC is prosecuting a viewer who has refused on principle to pay his television licence for seven years, amid claims the Corporation is fearful of a growing backlash against the fee.

Retired engineer John Kelly was one of several thousand people who have refused to pay since 2002 in protest at what they regard as bias in the BBC's news coverage of issues such as the European Union.

He and nearly all the other 'refuseniks', including former Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky, have so far escaped court – despite tens of thousands of prosecutions each year.

But now he has received a summons which he believes has been prompted by a flurry of publicity about high-profile figures, including former BBC presenter Noel Edmonds and journalist Charles Moore, who are also threatening to rebel.
John Kelly from Exmouth, Devon refuses to pay his licence fee over 'biased' reporting

Mr Kelly, 70, from Exmouth, Devon, who has been ordered to appear at Exeter magistrates' court later this month, said: 'Why are they picking on me now, after all this time?

'I think the BBC wants to crackdown on some of us to discourage more people from refusing to pay.

'There is a growing groundswell of opinion against the Corporation in the wake of the Jonathan Ross scandal and other things like expenses. My summons is not a random thing.'

Mr Kelly was one of 2,000 people who signed up to a campaign launched by Mr Bukovsky, a vice-president of the Freedom Association, eight years ago.

He initially complained to the BBC governors that the Corporation's coverage of the EU was so biased that it was in breach of its Royal Charter obligations to provide balance, but was told it was a matter of 'editorial judgment'.

Since then, despite threats of legal action, he has withheld his fee but until recently had never been visited by inspectors.

Mr Kelly said: 'I have a file 2in thick. Every time they have written threatening me I have replied giving my reasons.

'Why they have picked on me now, I suspect, is because last October Charles Moore wrote in the Spectator magazine that if the BBC was still employing Jonathan Ross he would not renew his licence.

'I wrote to tell him of my experiences and he mentioned me. I was then quoted in other newspapers. Then it went a bit quiet until February, when two inspectors marched up the drive.

'They wanted to come in. I said no. They said, "Have you got a TV?" I said yes. They said, "Do you watch it." I said yes. They said, "Do you have a licence?" I said, "Have you read the file?'' They said, "No.'' I said go away and read it. That is the last I heard until I got the summons from Exeter magistrates.'

He said he faced a maximum fine of £1,000, about the same amount that he had refused to pay, but he would be applying for a trial by jury so he could argue his case that it was the BBC that was in breach of the law.

Mr Moore, the former editor of the Daily Telegraph and a Spectator columnist, has said that he will not pay his licence if Ross remains on the BBC payroll after leaving obscene messages for Andrew Sachs during a Radio 2 show.

Mr Bukovsky, 66, said he and others planned to turn up to support Mr Kelly at his hearing.

The BBC claimed that TV Licensing, which oversees the collection of the £142.50 annual licence fee, had in the past prosecuted people who refused to pay out of principle.

A spokesman for TV Licensing said yesterday: 'Anyone caught watching or recording TV programmes without a licence risks prosecution and a fine of up to £1,000.'

There must be a lot of people NOT paying their Telly Tax these days. Is this an attept to scare a few 'not sures' that are contemplating not paying, into coughing up after all and save the hassle?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197531/Licence-rebel-prosecuted-BBC-finally-tackles-TV-fee-refuseniks.html


This piece, also from the Mail...

The BBC’s director general has conceded the licence fee could be scrapped and replaced with funding via council or income taxes – or even a levy on electricity bills.

Mark Thompson’s comments have been taken as an admission-that the growing use of new technology to watch programmes will make the licence fee obsolete.

I suggest that there are a lot of people who do not pay Telly Tax anymore but the BBC will never admit that. Instead they are using the excuse that people watch TV on their computers, I make the assuption that most households have a TV anyway so I cannot believe this arguement.
They are using this weak argument to add the TT to Council Tax or even on Lecky Bills.
A levy on Lecky? How would that work if you didn't have a TV?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197442/The-licence-fee-admits-BBC-boss-Cost-watching-TV-council-tax-bill.html

[tien an]

I might be in the caca...

I was cooking dinner tonight (about 6pm), and since the window looks onto the front of the house, I saw a chap approaching the door with an electronic device in his hand...

He knocked...
"Mr .....?"
"Yes?"
"TV Licencing; you don't have a TV licence."
"I don't have TV. Now; I'm cooking dinner and it's not convenient right now...OK?"
"OK" he said, nodding, and turned away as I closed the door.

I went into the living room and turned the TV off (and the SKY box).

I imagine the device in his hand was for reading the signal being picked up by my dish on the side of the house. (I wonder if he recognized the news in Mandarin Chinese, which is what my mother in law was watching).

My mother in law commented that "even our shitty government doesn't make us pay a fee to watch TV..."

What do you lot think will happen next?

tien an

[chateaux]

This is what I did.

Phoned up told them we where not interested in the crap channels that where available and the brainwashing behind the news. Canceled the license.

That was three years ago. Never heard from the bastards since.

We own a TV and watch DVD's on it occasionally. Can't remember when we last watched any of the crap being spewed forth from the box and don't intend to watch any of the bullshit at any future date.

[joyful]

Told them they would have to pay me to watch their propaganda and got my license refunded.

[sunrise]

The licence people knocked at my door and demanded to come in. I pay my licence by payment card, i was 3 weeks overdue. He said he come to give me a fine for £1000. I agreed to a direct debit every 3 mths so he let me off. He asked for my NI number but i didnt give it to him.
He said i was a very lucky person.
Paying by payment card costs you about £60. more a year by the way.
I only have a TV because of my daughter, she rarely watches it though!

[leafar]

Fuck it, ive just stopped paying. Ive had no letters yet, but lets see how it goes. If i get letters (which i will) ill open them and have a good laugh. If anyone knocks on my door i wont answer any questions, in fact ill answer every question with a question, and they aint coming in. Fuck you bastards, youre not having any more of my money. Go and get a proper job, and earn it.

[yozhik]

The licence people knocked at my door and demanded to come in. I pay my licence by payment card, i was 3 weeks overdue. He said he come to give me a fine for £1000. I agreed to a direct debit every 3 mths so he let me off. He asked for my NI number but i didnt give it to him.
He said i was a very lucky person.
Paying by payment card costs you about £60. more a year by the way.
I only have a TV because of my daughter, she rarely watches it though!

Their bullying and lies worked ... :(

[size_of_light]

Coming from Australia, the idea that you guys are supposed to have a TV license is beyond comical.

Do you have to register your toasters every year too?

[thevaleteruk]

iv just moved into a brand new apartment that has been empty for almost 2 years, you should see the amount of letters from the Tv Licensing BBC i had to sift through,

The threats they was making to an empty apartment, it went from "we notice you have not got a TV licence yet" to "an officer will be round" to "our officer has informed us that you have a TV and we are about to take you to court, buy a TV licence now and be saved from the court fees too"

WTF the apartment was empty, how the F did an officer get into the building that is security doored, to get into my apartment and see that Mr nobody was watching a TV with Mr invisible without any keys ?

i think someones been telling porkys!

Still i hold NO Tv Licence!

[chateaux]

Hey leafar,

I guess why it is so complex to get to grips with what is going on here is because this is not just about "avoiding paying a TV license".

Its about - learning who YOU are and what YOUR unalienable rights are.

We are blessed living souls, we are the creators of the world around us. WE create the corporations and WE allow the corporations that we have created to HARASS us... and that is because we have forgotten who we are.

By not paying a license (whether it be right or wrong in your or anyone's opinion is not the point) its about getting your balls back and making a conscious choice to re-gain your power, and to let those around you who are trying to steal your power - know that you know who you are.

At present our world relies on punishment (in terms of fines) as the motivation, and ignorance as the veil to the deception which makes up the illusion of this world and through which it gains our consent.

A fine = money = our energy (since we would have had to use energy to get this money), therefore:

1. A fine = energy,
2. Money = energy,
3. License = money = energy
4. License = energy.

Do you want to put your energy into something that uses deception to gain your consent?
Do you want to put your energy into something that uses punishment, fear and ignorance (rather than love, compassion and understanding) to gain your consent?

For me the answer is NO.

[leafar]

Good response.

Ive stopped paying it, i stopped a few weeks ago, and im waiting to see what happens. Someone posted a link to a website by someone who doesnt pay, and they show all the letters that they get. That really made my mind up. So, when i get the same letters, it will all be old news to me and nothing to worry about. Im looking forward to getting a visit too. They wont come in, and they wont get any answers to their questions. Theyll walk away thinking that im going to get punished, and ill close the door knowing that i wont. Then ill watch some crap on tv and have a laugh about it all. Or, i could tell them that i have a tv but i never turn it on, and that i just use it as a table for all the letters, and that theyre much more entertaining that whats on the bbc.

[pri01]

I remember as a teenager, my mother couldn't afford to pay for the tv license. One day when we were all watching tv an unusual knock hit the door and my mother thought the tv detectors were around. My younger brother did no more than rip the tv out of the wall and threw it out into the garden. Looking back it was quite funny, but they used to put women in prison for not paying the tv license didn't they?

[number_6]

but they used to put women in prison for not paying the tv license didn't they?

Not quite. The imprisonment was for not paying a fine issued by a Court after a person had been found guilty of using a tv without a licence. The imprisonment was not for non payment of the licence. Also this is not a punishment exclusive for women!

[pri01]

Not quite. The imprisonment was for not paying a fine issued by a Court after a person had been found guilty of using a tv without a licence. The imprisonment was not for non payment of the licence. Also this is not a punishment exclusive for women!
Thanks for this, I was kind of generalising when I say women because I thought it to be absolutely disgraceful putting a woman in prison because she couldn't pay. Likely to be on her own with a couple of kids and struggling on benefits. It just used to registar on my radar more.

Thanks for clearing up my misunderstanding. Seems even more of an injustice. The person can't pay for the license, so they slap a fine on them which they also cannot pay and then put them in jail just to further send the message home.

[shaunokeefe]

I've been getting letters since March 2010 now but they are all addressed to 'The Legal Occupier' so they don't even know my name or if anyone is even living at this apartment....

I guess maybe Sky TV told them ? but its strange they didnt give my name over..

Does it make it any easier for me to just continue to ignore the letters since they are not even addressed to my person?...

Shaun

[merlincove]

I've been getting letters since March 2010 now but they are all addressed to 'The Legal Occupier' so they don't even know my name or if anyone is even living at this apartment....

I guess maybe Sky TV told them ? but its strange they didnt give my name over..

Does it make it any easier for me to just continue to ignore the letters since they are not even addressed to my person?...

Shaun

Is there a 'person' at your address whose name is 'the legal occupier' ?

If not send em back with "the legal occupier' not known at this address.'

:D

is what i do - but it don't stop the buggers sendin em, automated / computer generated mail outs it seems.

[blakeriede]

Dont own a TV.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OjFzUCSlCs

how ironic, a pyramid :D

[spyroid]

I've been getting letters since March 2010 now but they are all addressed to 'The Legal Occupier' so they don't even know my name or if anyone is even living at this apartment....

I guess maybe Sky TV told them ? but its strange they didnt give my name over..

Does it make it any easier for me to just continue to ignore the letters since they are not even addressed to my person?...

Shaun

I had a few of those last year. I sent one back signed 'The Occupier' and told them I don't own a t.v or watch any live broadcasts, and that their 'Enforcement team' were not welcome. In the further three months I lived there I only got one more letter off them saying 'thanks, but our enforcement chaps are still coming'. Never saw them. What amused me is that on that final letter all the red banners and writing changed to a nice peaceful blue.
...I was telling the truth, mind. Haven't had a t.v for years, and if you don't watch iplayer live they must be able to check it.