Why is everybody "right"?

[illuminati downfall]

Okay I can assure you I have NOT gone crazy here. Nor am I feeling truly helpless or anything like that. I simply feel very mildly puzzled by religion tonight and started to think this over. This little piece of philosophy is what I came up with. I would be curious to here your thoughts and opinions of any of the issues within it. :) Might make for an interesting thread.

How to best find the answers to the truth about life, the universe and the divine, would as I can well imagine very great depending on who I asked. A Christan would likely tell me to read the Bible, as all answers and the "right" way to live are in there. A Muslim may say the same thing for his holly book or sacred text. A Buddhist would perhaps tell me to look within as all answers can be found within one's self. An Atheist could perhaps say that since there is no God, a big part of my question in null and void and why worry about it. Now I would think all of these, as well and any others of any other system of belief are wonderful answers and ways of understanding. The trouble is that everyone will actually have a different answer and many people will think they are right and we had all better listen to them if we want the great spiritual truth. How did it get this way? Why does everyone have the "one great truth?" Some seek enlightenment, while other strive for the kingdom of heaven in one form or another. (Sorry, I'm not sure what the afterlife is called in all the other major religions.) How does one know without a doubt that their path or faith is the right one? I would still dare to maintain that there is more than one path to the divine, but why will many still deny that fact? Many tell stories of their conversions to Christianity and state that until the found Christ they we lost and are now glad to be found again. I have however heard the same for converts to Islam, or paganism or several other faiths. The story is the same with many different names inserted here and there. They were lost and hopeless on one path and found on another. Different people understanding divinity differently but still finally understanding it. Or, in the case of the Athiests, choosing to understand that there is no God at all. But hey, it's still a valid, and respected path. They all seem to be valid. That's exactly my point... and my problem. Once one finds faith, )or chooses none) how does he or she know they have picked the right one. When considering religion lately it's starting to look like we might all be really gambling with the safety of our souls in the afterlife. none of them are Guaranteed to be "the one" and the being(s) we call the divine in may ways, is not honestly looking willing to set the record straight.

[i_am]

I wrote this many years ago now, after reading a very beautiful book from which I 'got it' :)

As we start to climb the mountain we assume that we are on the only path and that what we see is all there is.

But as we get nearer the top of the mountain we begin to become aware of others climbing the same mountain, on a different path. We can then see part of their view and they can see a part of ours. We are no longer only viewing from a limited perspective.

The closer we get to the top, the more of the view we can see and the more people we can see arriving there on their own chosen path.

Their path was not wrong just different and their views and experiences on the way up were just as relevant as ours.

And the beauty of it all is that once at, or at least very close to the top our individual perspectives have merged and we can all see the same view.

I believe that the important thing is that we are not happy to sit at the bottom complaining about how difficult it all is but have got off our butts and started that climb.

We will all have our individual path. Some because that is the only one we are aware of. Others, aware of different paths, have made a choice. Either way the same thing applies to the perspective on the way.

Always help a fellow climber who is struggling. Hold out your hand to steady him.

And when you hit a slippery patch and slide back down, pick yourself up, dust yourself off, take a breather and start the climb again. Someone will be there to help and this time you will know the slippery bits and avoid them.

[darketernal]

I think it has more to do with the fact that people gamble what they see as their "eternal soul" based on their choice of religions, and this combined with the brainwashing that ensues, cannot accept even the most remove possibility that they are wrong, because if they are they've made a rediculously foolish choice. The fear of being wrong on something viewed as so important, especially if someone has invested a great deal of their time and efforts into this belief system, will prevent the human mind from being able to see logical or reasonable evidence that their deeply held religious beliefs might be incorrect.

I say stop looking for religion or enligthenment or spirituality created by others. If you are looking for a priest, or a book, or me, or even some outside spirit/god to guide you... then you'll never find the truth, because you will always be following someone else's "truth". Learn from teachers, but then surpass their knowledge and move on.

[miracles]

Okay I can assure you I have NOT gone crazy here. Nor am I feeling truly helpless or anything like that. I simply feel very mildly puzzled by religion tonight and started to think this over. This little piece of philosophy is what I came up with. I would be curious to here your thoughts and opinions of any of the issues within it. :) Might make for an interesting thread.

How to best find the answers to the truth about life, the universe and the divine, would as I can well imagine very great depending on who I asked. A Christan would likely tell me to read the Bible, as all answers and the "right" way to live are in there. A Muslim may say the same thing for his holly book or sacred text. A Buddhist would perhaps tell me to look within as all answers can be found within one's self. An Atheist could perhaps say that since there is no God, a big part of my question in null and void and why worry about it. Now I would think all of these, as well and any others of any other system of belief are wonderful answers and ways of understanding. The trouble is that everyone will actually have a different answer and many people will think they are right and we had all better listen to them if we want the great spiritual truth. How did it get this way? Why does everyone have the "one great truth?" Some seek enlightenment, while other strive for the kingdom of heaven in one form or another. (Sorry, I'm not sure what the afterlife is called in all the other major religions.) How does one know without a doubt that their path or faith is the right one? I would still dare to maintain that there is more than one path to the divine, but why will many still deny that fact? Many tell stories of their conversions to Christianity and state that until the found Christ they we lost and are now glad to be found again. I have however heard the same for converts to Islam, or paganism or several other faiths. The story is the same with many different names inserted here and there. They were lost and hopeless on one path and found on another. Different people understanding divinity differently but still finally understanding it. Or, in the case of the Athiests, choosing to understand that there is no God at all. But hey, it's still a valid, and respected path. They all seem to be valid. That's exactly my point... and my problem. Once one finds faith, )or chooses none) how does he or she know they have picked the right one. When considering religion lately it's starting to look like we might all be really gambling with the safety of our souls in the afterlife. none of them are Guaranteed to be "the one" and the being(s) we call the divine in may ways, is not honestly looking willing to set the record straight.

Im not really sure what your issue is if you think everyones path is valid. And if you take the advice of some on here then everyones truth is subjective and therefor valid. Which would basically mean everyone is right and no one is wrong.

From a biblical Christian perspective Christ claimed to be the only way to God. I believe that. Im convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt. Yes I did have a very real conversion experience, but that means nothing, you must base your faith upon what is written in the word of God and belive me there is irrefuteabe evidence for this faith, it is not a blind subjective faith. The bible is the only authority on this issue, not the experience of another Christian preacher or pastor, and in actual fact, not even based on your own personal experience.

In todays day and age, it is very hard to find the truth, few find it. If you truely seek it you will find it. Remember you can ask God to show you and lead you to the truth, I guarantee He will meet you half way and any faith and trust you place in Him will be abundantly and miraculously rewarded.

You cant look within yourself to find truth, unless you have first invited God to come and dwell within you.

[illuminati downfall]

Miracles, I see your point and I course course respect your beliefs. I respect and like all religions. I am however going to boldly point out here that God apparently wrote more than one book. Actually I have a respectful question for any one here who is a member of one set religion. :) Why are you certain your books doctrines, etc, are the ones to fallow?

[miracles]

Miracles, I see your point and I course course respect your beliefs. I respect and like all religions. I am however going to boldly point out here that God apparently wrote more than one book. Actually I have a respectful question for any one here who is a member of one set religion. :) Why are you certain your books doctrines, etc, are the ones to fallow?

I respect others beliefs too, but we dont have to believe them.

I believe Ivan Panins work irrefuteably proves beyond all doubt that the bible was written supernaturally, I believe that supernatural force was the God of the bible letting us know what is really going on. Revelation is a book of prophecy that is coming true not to mention much scientific data that concures with the bible. Again, although this is not evidence that will stand up in a court of law, when I read the bible for the first time, I had a red letter version where all the words Jesus ever spoke where in red, All I read first where all of His words, this led me to believe and receive Him as my saviour. This happened about two months after I genuinely prayed to God to reveal himself to me. My spiritual eyes where awkend to what sreally going on 20 years ago. Thats why I find this so called awakeneing movement to be quite odd, awakened to what? The illuminati? The ruling elite? well folks, satan is running them, they are just puppets. People are being awakened to the problem by charletens and fear mongers who reject, blaspheme and pour scorn on the solution. Jesus Christ.

Barry smith a Christian Kiwi (dead now) was writing books about this stuff 30 years ago. His first book was called Warning, I read it when I was 18 years old. 25 years ago. Lets keep in mind Revelation is at least a 2000 year old book. Predicting the number of the beast 666 the mark of the beast etc etc. They have the technology for all of this now in the making. It doesnt take much to see that the bible knows the score. The jews through genetic engineering have been able to resurected the sacred red heifer calfs which will be required for the sacred sacrifices, all predicted in Revelation. In fact this was one of the final prophecies to take place. The temple on the dome of the rock being rebuilt is the final prohecy. A biblical Christian faith is a faith based on evidence, not blind faith.




The word of God touches my spirit in a very noticeable way, whenever I read it.

I also believe that the work of the devil to discredit the bible Christianity, Christ, Christians and the church makes it so obvious that it is Gods word, where as every other so called scared texts are left alone.

[mephibosheth]

Religions are poetry. They each describe reality in a peculiar and imaginative way.

But they don't necessarily speak to a common experience valid across all times and places. And, like language, there is always a problem with interpretation and translation. You cannot have an invalid metaphor. Religion, grasping at things which are not graspable by finite cognitive operations, can only express them figuratively, symbolically, metaphorically. They can all be 'right' or all be 'wrong', but their value lies only in the value that can be derived by any one individual who is inspired by them to see to grasp the ineffable.

If you watched a Jackie Chan movie and it inspired you to learn Kung-fu, that is excellent. But you'll soon learn that real kung-fu is not quite like the movies. If a religious text inspires you to seek the divine, great, but your experience of that quest will be unique to yourself. Religions are signposts at best, directing us to a lookout point where folks have stopped and regarded reality from certain perspectives. We too can go and see what they saw, and we must, if we are to really judge whether what they saw had any value for us personally.



How to best find the answers to the truth about life, the universe and the divine


Consciously direct yourself towards being open to truth and aware of error. Start small. Be aware of logic in the small things, and identify where words are being used to express opinions and not facts, to cover gaps, and to make inferences and not deductions. Get your own facts straight about who you are, where you come from, and where you are going. Know your local environment. Be open and aware of the day, the season, the movement of the wind and sun and rain. Take time to sit quietly and absorb the world without trying to 'know it' as one thing or another. Perhaps, eventually, the reality of Reality will become clear(er).



A Christan would likely tell me to read the Bible, as all answers and the "right" way to live are in there.
A Muslim may say the same thing for his holly book or sacred text.
A Buddhist would perhaps tell me to look within as all answers can be found within one's self.
An Atheist could perhaps say that since there is no God, a big part of my question in null and void and why worry about it.


They all are trying to answer the question 'what is the best way for a human being to live?'

Some add the authority of a divine figure to their answer to bolster its apparent validity, while others rely on the content of the answer to speak for itself.

But the question should never be asked about humans in general. It is only relevant to you, personally. What is the best way for YOU to live?

To discover this, one needs to be open to all possibilities, and hopefully the one that resonates best with you will present itself. Birds of a feather flock together. We manifest the paths that most reflect our innermost states.




Now I would think all of these, as well and any others of any other system of belief are wonderful answers and ways of understanding. The trouble is that everyone will actually have a different answer and many people will think they are right and we had all better listen to them if we want the great spiritual truth. How did it get this way? Why does everyone have the "one great truth?"


The differences are in the dogma.

Really, do religions really have a 'different' answer to how humans should live?

Be charitable, do good works, respect others, do not lie, cheat, steal, or kill wantonly, be upright and honest, be authentic.

These acts, these behaviours, these ways of being, are the only true reality of human-being. If a belief in one or another divinity helps one become thus, great. But if it produces a person that is petty, resentful, hateful, deceptive, exclusionary, self-righteous, violent...then it is bad.

Religion should be creative, nurturing, nourishing, not destructive. It should promote life and flourishing for all beings, not exclude the many in favour of the few. And it should be intensely personal, and not pertain to social organisation.



How does one know without a doubt that their path or faith is the right one?


They don't 'know', they only 'believe'. They set aside all doubt and embrace a belief by faith, which means uncritical acceptance of a belief as axiomatic--the basic foundation. Doubting the foundation, the axiom, invalidates the path because the effectiveness of the path depends on the power that one gives to it through one's faith in it.

If one believes, at the outset, that 'this isn't going to work' then guess what, it won't.



I would still dare to maintain that there is more than one path to the divine, but why will many still deny that fact?


Because people are fricken nosy busybodies that can't stay out of other folks' business. But moreso because clinging to their faith as 'the ultimate truth' gives them a sense of perfect righteousness, hence, superiority, over others. Even if they 'tolerate' divergent beliefs it's with a knowing smile that 'we KNOW the real deal, oh foolish child'. It doesn't help that many religions include in their myths statements that assert infalibility and hence, the essential 'incorrectness' of any other path. People cling to that. It supports them, gives them an identity, and bolsters the power of their own uncritical acceptance, ie, faith.



Many tell stories of their conversions to Christianity and state that until the found Christ they we lost and are now glad to be found again.
I have however heard the same for converts to Islam, or paganism or several other faiths.
The story is the same with many different names inserted here and there.
They were lost and hopeless on one path and found on another. Different people understanding divinity differently but still finally understanding it. Or, in the case of the Athiests, choosing to understand that there is no God at all. But hey, it's still a valid, and respected path.


What we're talking about here is human beings finding a place of balance in themselves where they can be happy, content, and at relative peace with the world, howsoever they conceive it. It's a process of reducing the dissonance between the ideal and real self--eliminating those points of tension that had hitherto been putting undue stress and pressure on the self, tearing it in contrary directions.



They all seem to be valid. That's exactly my point... and my problem. Once one finds faith, )or chooses none) how does he or she know they have picked the right one.


You can't, unless the being you pray to appears and tells you so directly.

8)

[uncia]

Briefly, "everyone" is not right. In fact everyone is wrong.

The only persons who are right are Christians but only of the non-dispensationist, traditional protestant or non-papist catholic or orthodox, bible believing & Christ obeying sort - of which there are very few.

So stop philosophizing and find out what is right for yourself:

Luk 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

[mephibosheth]

The only persons who are right are Christians but only of the non-dispensationist, traditional protestant or non-papist catholic or orthodox, bible believing & Christ obeying sort - of which there are very few.


Case in point.

:rolleyes:

[watson_k]

Okay I can assure you I have NOT gone crazy here. Nor am I feeling truly helpless or anything like that. I simply feel very mildly puzzled by religion tonight and started to think this over. This little piece of philosophy is what I came up with. I would be curious to here your thoughts and opinions of any of the issues within it. Might make for an interesting thread.

I really like what you have written there ID. Since you are questioning - that is half the battle. A major problem with modern religion is that you're expected to take the various views on blind belief instead of your own experience with the particular doctrine.

Seeing as there are almost what? 6 Billion people on the planet. Logic states that there should be 6 Billion different ways of getting you to the answer of your questions. Whether they stand the test of reason, is up to experience to decide.

Just like I_Am quoted there. Jon really was an insightful individual when he wrote that.

[miracles]

I really like what you have written there ID. Since you are questioning - that is half the battle. A major problem with modern religion is that you're expected to take the various views on blind belief instead of your own experience with the particular doctrine.

Seeing as there are almost what? 6 Billion people on the planet. Logic states that there should be 6 Billion different ways of getting you to the answer of your questions. Whether they stand the test of reason, is up to experience to decide.

Just like I_Am quoted there. Jon really was an insightful individual when he wrote that.

Why? Are there 6 billion Gods?

6 billion people created by one God, does not neccessarily mean there are 6 billion ways to find him. Yes these are 6 billion different ways of experiencing life, but we all have the same thing, life and breath, we breath the same air (unless maybe if your in China :). And the one sun shines down on us all and the one earth spins for us all.

Logic states that 1 plus 1 = 2. The answer is the same for all 6 billion of us.

[watson_k]

Why? Are there 6 billion Gods?

6 billion people created by one God, does not neccessarily mean there are 6 billion ways to find him. Yes these are 6 billion different ways of experiencing life, but we all have the same thing, life and breath, we breath the same air (unless maybe if your in China :). And the one sun shines down on us all and the one earth spins for us all.

Logic states that 1 plus 1 = 2. The answer is the same for all 6 billion of us.

By what you said, two Twins would be exactly identical in thought, whereas the similarity is only in the Physical.

We each have different beliefs based on our own experiences of our life's thus lived so far.

Seeing as we all see things for our certain view points, every ones way of doing things will be different.

You might see Christianity similar to other people, but your own personal beliefs depending on your parents, your education, where you live, your age, your peers, will all determine the difference in how you go about doing things.

Nature depends on individuality. All cells in the human body are there in order to perpetuate the whole. But each individual cell does it's own job, in it's own way, when it doesn't it turns in to a Cancer, which causes pain to the whole and not just the individual cell. To think that the human mind and thus human religion works opposite of the rules of nature is just beggars belief. - Seeing as the Human is a Cell of the Universe.

[cruise4]

I've had this phrase running around my mind which may be relevant...

Truth is Relative. Absolute Truth is a theory. :D

[watson_k]

I've had this phrase running around my mind which may be relevant...

Truth is Relative. Absolute Truth is a theory. :D

Yes you're right that Truth has foundation on imperfect knowledge. But only through experience will you know whether that truth can be relied upon or not.

[miracles]

By what you said, two Twins would be exactly identical in thought, whereas the similarity is only in the Physical.

We each have different beliefs based on our own experiences of our life's thus lived so far.

Seeing as we all see things for our certain view points, every ones way of doing things will be different.

You might see Christianity similar to other people, but your own personal beliefs depending on your parents, your education, where you live, your age, your peers, will all determine the difference in how you go about doing things.

Nature depends on individuality. All cells in the human body are there in order to perpetuate the whole. But each individual cell does it's own job, in it's own way, when it doesn't it turns in to a Cancer, which causes pain to the whole and not just the individual cell. To think that the human mind and thus human religion works opposite of the rules of nature is just beggars belief. - Seeing as the Human is a Cell of the Universe.

Elementry my dear Watson :). I agree with your point.

My point is that the laws of the universe, which will always be filtered through ones individual subjective reasoining mechanism yes, are still an objective reality, regardless of ones individual interpretation.

Further more, this quashes the notion that absolute truth is a theory. There are infinite absolute truths.

If God makes a statement like this in his word "A fool says in his heart there is no God" I can assume from this that anyone who states that there is no God, is in actual fact going against the laws of the universe. I can also say with absolute certainty that every human being within his heart, knows, there is a God who created everything. Now, what that God concept is, is something we are all trying to fugure out as we live each day of our lives, but we all want to know who/he/she/it is. Anyone who states otherwise, is not only a fool, but a liar, even he is only lieing to himself.

PS. no two twins are identical.

[mephibosheth]

My point is that the laws of the universe, which will always be filtered through ones individual subjective reasoining mechanism yes, are still an objective reality, regardless of ones individual interpretation.

Further more, this quashes the notion that absolute truth is a theory.


The Absolute is One.

'Absolute Truth' is just simply the inescapable facticity of being, the fundamental in-your-face presence of existence that cannot be reduced any further or derived from anything else. It is well beyond any question of whether this or that being does or does not exist, or whether this or that form is derived from this or that cause. None of those questions--of cause, effect, forms, and relationships--have absolute answers because they are not independent, but inter-dependent upon each other.

Truth, in the Absolute sense, should look exactly the same to each and every individual that encounters it.

If there was one, even one, individual in the history of the universe that spontaneously realized that Jesus was God witout ever hearing the story of Jesus or reading the bible but merely looking deeply at reality, THEN and only then might there be something 'truthful' about the claim.

What we see, though, is that people claim what they know and are familiar with.

Whereas objective facts are known and can be known and realized by diverse people across cultures, time, and space without too much deviation. Diverse cultures can realize logic and math, for instance, and easily translate these understandings despite linguistic and cultural differences. But religions, otoh, are a different matter, because when one begins to take a dogmatic 'we have THE answer' approach, one forever fails to find the original common ground upon which the basis of agreement--and objectivity--can be found.



I can also say with absolute certainty that every human being within his heart, knows, there is a God who created everything.


People that have never heard of a God don't have any concept of a God. If they did, they'd intuitively know and recognize the concept of 'God' as soon as they heard it.

Instead, we have to go to great lengths to instruct people about what 'God' means and list the various reasons why people ought to believe in it.



Now, what that God concept is, is something we are all trying to fugure out as we live each day of our lives, but we all want to know who/he/she/it is.


Careful miracles, lest ye venture in the realms of spiritual relativism!! :eek:

[miracles]

People that have never heard of a God don't have any concept of a God. If they did, they'd intuitively know and recognize the concept of 'God' as soon as they heard it.

I dont agree with this. One human being does not need another human being to deliver the concept of a creator in order to awaken the fact. Athiesm is foolishness and is arrived at only after rejecting the facts, never before. It is simply another religion/firewall, put in place to deny the truth.

Instead, we have to go to great lengths to instruct people about what 'God' means and list the various reasons why people ought to believe in it.

We go to great lengths to and froing about who God is, we dont go to any lengths at all, unless you want to waste your breath with athiesm, concluding there is a creator/God. Thats an inbuilt knowing in the heart of man, placed there by God, and is the seed that grows into the search for truth and meaning. In otherwords, it grows all by itself. It's spirtual homeostasis and cant be thwarted stopped or denied, even with all manner of worldly pleasures to side track us from it.


Careful miracles, lest ye venture in the realms of spiritual relativism!! :eek:

Never heard of it :)

[illuminati downfall]

Briefly, "everyone" is not right. In fact everyone is wrong.

The only persons who are right are Christians but only of the non-dispensationist, traditional protestant or non-papist catholic or orthodox, bible believing & Christ obeying sort - of which there are very few.

So stop philosophizing and find out what is right for yourself:


I feel like I really need to ask here in response to that... Since the above named people are the only ones who get to be "right" why then would God have made so many "wrong" people to begin with? I mean, why should he have just made a group of people who shall fit into that little group. Also to insure the correct followings are done by that group, why not just present one possible path?

[cruise4]

"My point is that the laws of the universe, which will always be filtered through ones individual subjective reasoining mechanism yes, are still an objective reality, regardless of ones individual interpretation.

Further more, this quashes the notion that absolute truth is a theory."

I don't believe so. What's a spiders world compared to ours? What are it's laws? What are our laws now should we evolve into higher forms? What are our laws if this is a simulation? I'd say our best and brightest ideas are but drivel in the scale of possibility. Maybe truth forever changes and that's the only truth, so you can't rely on it at all even with experience. It might seem to work for a while, but it's an illusion, as per usual. Perhaps there are universe's with different physics. How to reconcile with 'truth'? I think we have NO REAL idea, but hey, it's fun to troll along anyway. Discovery is fun. Creating is fun.

[miracles]

"My point is that the laws of the universe, which will always be filtered through ones individual subjective reasoining mechanism yes, are still an objective reality, regardless of ones individual interpretation.

Further more, this quashes the notion that absolute truth is a theory."

I don't believe so. What's a spiders world compared to ours? What are it's laws? What are our laws now should we evolve into higher forms? What are our laws if this is a simulation? I'd say our best and brightest ideas are but drivel in the scale of possibility. Maybe truth forever changes and that's the only truth, so you can't rely on it at all even with experience. It might seem to work for a while, but it's an illusion, as per usual. Perhaps there are universe's with different physics. How to reconcile with 'truth'? I think we have NO REAL idea, but hey, it's fun to troll along anyway. Discovery is fun. Creating is fun.

Granted, our thoughts do not equate to Gods thoughts anymore than a spiders equates to ours. In a sense we humans know everthing about nothing and nothing about everything, where on a cosmic, spiritual, physical, adventure, that wonderful gift we call life.

Although as a bible believer, I believe these words are supernatural in origin and never changing, a glimpse into the character and mind of God, if you will, and His view of mankind.

[uncia]

I feel like I really need to ask here in response to that... Since the above named people are the only ones who get to be "right" why then would God have made so many "wrong" people to begin with? I mean, why should he have just made a group of people who shall fit into that little group. Also to insure the correct followings are done by that group, why not just present one possible path?
Men turned to error because of their own lusts and craving for idols. You will find it in these words:

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
Treasury of Scripture KnowledgeConcordance and

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

[cheeney1]

How can everyone be right, When everyones Wrong :cool:

[uncia]

I feel like I really need to ask here in response to that... Since the above named people are the only ones who get to be "right" why then would God have made so many "wrong" people to begin with? I mean, why should he have just made a group of people who shall fit into that little group. Also to insure the correct followings are done by that group, why not just present one possible path?
Furthermore, my preliminary researches have shown that all false religion sprang from the land of Sumer and Babylon, when Rhea, wife of Nimrod, deified him after his death, and herself in the process, to conceal the result of her prostitution, an illegitimate birth. Subsequently Nimrod became ignored and it was herself (latterly referred to as Semiramis in Greek texts) who became the Queen of Heaven, and her son, who became associated with her husband, that gave rise to the fertility cults, widely adopted in all polytheistic systems.

The knowledge of the true God, originally Rahm in Hebrew meaning the merciful one, was widely known before the polytheistic cults arose (Brahm in Hindu was derived from Rahm, Er-Rahman in Turkish), However the knowledge of the true God became lost, when the mutant polytheistic cults based on Babylonian corruption became prevalent. The study of Hinduism is a study of corruption in religion.


Error in religion is created by men following the lusts of their flesh, and following strange gods, rather than the true creator, who is forever to be praised, just as Paul said in Romans.

[shaivite]

The study of Hinduism is a study of corruption in religion.


LOL :D Says the fellow who practices Christianity, probably the most corrupt, murderous, paedophilic, religion ever known! People in glass houses my friend....

Good grief man, you must have some sort of damage. You just don't seem to learn do you? As much as I find your ignorance and arrogance irritating, I do however genuinely and sincerely pity you. Maybe I'll say some mantras for you today.:)

[i_am]

Furthermore, my preliminary researches have shown that all false religion sprang from the land of Sumer and Babylon, when Rhea, wife of Nimrod, deified him after his death, and herself in the process, to conceal the result of her prostitution, an illegitimate birth. Subsequently Nimrod became ignored and it was herself (latterly referred to as Semiramis in Greek texts) who became the Queen of Heaven, and her son, who became associated with her husband, that gave rise to the fertility cults, widely adopted in all polytheistic systems.

The knowledge of the true God, originally Rahm in Hebrew meaning the merciful one, was widely known before the polytheistic cults arose (Brahm in Hindu was derived from Rahm, Er-Rahman in Turkish), However the knowledge of the true God became lost, when the mutant polytheistic cults based on Babylonian corruption became prevalent. The study of Hinduism is a study of corruption in religion.

Error in religion is created by men following the lusts of their flesh, and following strange gods, rather than the true creator, who is forever to be praised, just as Paul said in Romans.


What a strange statement since hinduism has origins LONG before christianity, thousands of years in fact before Christ.

[element]

What a strange statement since hinduism has origins LONG before christianity, thousands of years in fact before Christ.
Their teachings from the Vedas do, but 'Hinduism' itself is invented by the British, there's strong evidence to support it. Maybe the idea was to put it all under the same spell, making it a gigantic polytheistic soup, to discredit the Indian knowledge altogether I think. The British did that from the start they came there, to 'civilise' India, just like the other continents. They're doing the same thing in Iraq now, spreading Bibles..:rolleyes: I've read the Bhagavad Gita and it's quite good.

[uncia]

What a strange statement since hinduism has origins LONG before christianity, thousands of years in fact before Christ.
Christianity is only the New Testament. Before the new there was the old, and the old demanded the same faith as the new in the same God. Its just that Christ showed us what God is like, after the law, which was given to the Jews proved incapable of doing so, because they determined to admix it with the oral traditions of men.

[miracles]

Christianity is only the New Testament. Before the new there was the old, and the old demanded the same faith as the new in the same God. Its just that Christ showed us what God is like, after the law, which was given to the Jews proved incapable of doing so, because they determined to admix it with the oral traditions of men.


I think Christianity is the old and new testament, (adam and eve where the first Christians). The book that Jesus read and quoted from was the old testament, this was His bible, as a christian, it is also part of mine.

[uncia]

I think Christianity is the old and new testament, (adam and eve where the first Christians). The book that Jesus read and quoted from was the old testament, this was His bible, as a christian, it is also part of mine.
I refer specifically to Christianity as being the doctrines associated with the appearance of the "Christ."

[miracles]

I refer specifically to Christianity as being the doctrines associated with the appearance of the "Christ."

And the some 300 plus references and types that predict his coming in the old testament also. The jews where on the look out for someone they had read about in the bible (OT), everything about Jesus was a fullfillment of Old testament prophecy, the whole book old and new is about Jesus Christ and his relationship with mankind.

[uncia]

And the some 300 plus references and types that predict his coming in the old testament also. The jews where on the look out for someone they had read about in the bible (OT), everything about Jesus was a fullfillment of Old testament prophecy, the whole book old and new is about Jesus Christ and his relationship with mankind.
I agree.:) It's just a question of emphasis, not the particular scriptures that are used. The Old Testament is the perception / revelation of God before Christ was revealed in the flesh, whereas the New is the perception / revelation of God after Christ was revealed in the flesh. It may be misleading to talk about an old and a new testament, since "God does not change." Rather it can only infer stages in God's revelation.

[miracles]

I agree.:) It's just a question of emphasis, not the particular scriptures that are used. The Old Testament is the perception / revelation of God before Christ was revealed in the flesh, whereas the New is the perception / revelation of God after Christ was revealed in the flesh. It may be misleading to talk about an old and a new testament, since "God does not change." Rather it can only infer stages in God's revelation.

Glad you agree. You did say earlier that Chrisianity is only the new testament however, which it isnt.

[uncia]

Glad you agree. You did say earlier that Chrisianity is only the new testament however, which it isnt.
May be I was not making myself clear. Christianity is the final revelation in the New Testament that displaces earlier incomplete revelations as existed in the Old. To take the Old Testament without the New is to distort Christianity. Similarly the New Testament without the Old is incomprehensible.

[miracles]

May be I was not making myself clear. Christianity is the final revelation in the New Testament that displaces earlier incomplete revelations as existed in the Old. To take the Old Testament without the New is to distort Christianity. Similarly the New Testament without the Old is incomprehensible.

agreed. What we have today are those who reject the old and believe only the new, they even go as far as to say the God of the old testament is evil and still claim to be Christian.