My PERSON

[wez004]

My PERSON has complete and utter disregard for any authority. My PERSON has not been paying it's council tax. My PERSON has 6 outstanding parking tickets. My PERSON has outstanding fines for failing to name a driver and is due up in court again for driving at 36 in a 30. My PERSON has 4 different firms of bailiffs trying to extract money from it.

As the agent for this lunatic I’m thinking of suing it for all it’s got for the stress that this entity is putting me through. Is it possible for me to take action against this corporation and claim for compensation for its negligent actions that are impacting on my life?

[godspeed]

lol..............sue the person..........:D

[oghene]

My PERSON has complete and utter disregard for any authority. My PERSON has not been paying it's council tax. My PERSON has 6 outstanding parking tickets. My PERSON has outstanding fines for failing to name a driver and is due up in court again for driving at 36 in a 30. My PERSON has 4 different firms of bailiffs trying to extract money from it.

As the agent for this lunatic I’m thinking of suing it for all it’s got for the stress that this entity is putting me through. Is it possible for me to take action against this corporation and claim for compensation for its negligent actions that are impacting on my life?

Make a claim in the local magistrates that your Person owes you the agent, a specified sum. Once your Person agrees, then you have first claim and all other claimants can wait in line. :-)

Just a thought

[spoonogsback]

My PERSON has complete and utter disregard for any authority. My PERSON has not been paying it's council tax. My PERSON has 6 outstanding parking tickets. My PERSON has outstanding fines for failing to name a driver and is due up in court again for driving at 36 in a 30. My PERSON has 4 different firms of bailiffs trying to extract money from it.

As the agent for this lunatic I’m thinking of suing it for all it’s got for the stress that this entity is putting me through. Is it possible for me to take action against this corporation and claim for compensation for its negligent actions that are impacting on my life?

Sounds like your person is a big liability to you. Perhaps you should return to Ceasar and ask for a new one that has no liabilities attached.......lol

[sindakit]

Make a claim in the local magistrates that your Person owes you the agent, a specified sum. Once your Person agrees, then you have first claim and all other claimants can wait in line. :-)

Just a thought

is this how we'd setup a commercial lien in the UK?

[oghene]

is this how we'd setup a commercial lien in the UK?

Do you know what I didn't think of it like that but maybe.

[wez004]

Thanks for the contributions to this thread some interesting ideas. I guess it was a bit tough in cheek suing ones PERSON but the idea did make me laugh given the amount of liability my PERSON has attached to it.

After visiting the freeman forums here for several months I have been inspired buy your posts and have a renewed inner strength. Instead of sweeping all this shit under the carpet I have started to address some of the issues that are plaguing me.

I have had my first success with a letter from Wescots backing out of a claim for £ 1500 for their client Lloyds TSB (overdraft I never paid back). I quite simply asked them for proof of claim! Validation, Verification and Lawfull terms.

1. Book Keeping records to establish a debt.
2. Signed Bill.
3. Contract signed by both parties.

I also attached a fee schedule of £ 500 per hour for dealing with this matter. I have only billed them for 1 letter for half hour of my time. They owe me £ 250. They have never rebutted my fees or my invoice. I believe I have tacit agreement and they are in contract with me. Is it worth pursuing this through the county courts?

[number_6]

Make a claim in the local magistrates that your Person owes you the agent, a specified sum. Once your Person agrees, then you have first claim and all other claimants can wait in line. :-)

Just a thought

Claim should be in the County Court, not Magistrates.

[wez004]

Claim should be in the County Court, not Magistrates.

Can I make a claim as a man v PERSON. My limited understanding would suggest that only PERSON v PERSON would work in commercial contracts.

[number_6]

I also attached a fee schedule of £ 500 per hour for dealing with this matter. I have only billed them for 1 letter for half hour of my time. They owe me £ 250. They have never rebutted my fees or my invoice. I believe I have tacit agreement and they are in contract with me. Is it worth pursuing this through the county courts?

I cannot see this working at all. Firstly how do you recover your fees? The only option available apart from violence would be through the County Court. Is there a signed contract between both parties where this fee schedule is agreed? If not the first question a judge would ask is what is your line of business, and how much are you normally paid. If you say something like I pack shelves for £7 per hour, I think you would be crucified. Fee schedules have to realistic and actually reflect the cost to yourself in your normal working life. If you are unemployed forget it.

[rosix]

I cannot see this working at all. Firstly how do you recover your fees? The only option available apart from violence would be through the County Court. Is there a signed contract between both parties where this fee schedule is agreed? If not the first question a judge would ask is what is your line of business, and how much are you normally paid. If you say something like I pack shelves for £7 per hour, I think you would be crucified. Fee schedules have to realistic and actually reflect the cost to yourself in your normal working life. If you are unemployed forget it.

hmmm that's not really how I see it
if they're contracted with you on your fee schedule then that's that. If they did not find your fee schedule appropriate they could simply make a counteroffer..

[number_6]

hmmm that's not really how I see it
if they're contracted with you on your fee schedule then that's that. If they did not find your fee schedule appropriate they could simply make a counteroffer..

But, how can you physically enforce recovery? The only way is with a Court order, and it won't happen.
If you seriously believe that by sending somebody a notice that they owe you a million pounds and they don't respond they have entered into a contract with you, try it. No Judge in the land would give you judgment.

[bsmurph83]

But, how can you physically enforce recovery? The only way is with a Court order, and it won't happen.
If you seriously believe that by sending somebody a notice that they owe you a million pounds and they don't respond they have entered into a contract with you, try it. No Judge in the land would give you judgment.

ever the pessimist, eh, number 6? fair enough, but have you ever actually tried to enforce a fee schedule? i guess we will find out soon enough, because Mark Pytellek had a fee schedule in place before he was kidnapped and tortured by the police and illegally and unlawfully imprisoned for 11 days.

that's a helluva tab the State will be picking up, since his fee schedule was probably something upwards of $2000 per hour for being handcuffed and wrongfully imprisoned. work that out for 11 days worth. thing is, legally his case is bullet proof. he was journeying without license and rego, as per his Common Law right/s and was assaulted and removed from his car merely because this particular cop didn't like the 'smartarse' freethinker who knew his rights and was doing his duty and exercising them.

i'll be very interested to see how it pans out in the end. i believe that Pytellek is probably preparing his lawsuit as we speak. we'd all do well to stay tuned for this one...

[the worm that turned]

ever the pessimist, eh, number 6? fair enough, but have you ever actually tried to enforce a fee schedule? i guess we will find out soon enough, because Mark Pytellek had a fee schedule in place before he was kidnapped and tortured by the police and illegally and unlawfully imprisoned for 11 days.

that's a helluva tab the State will be picking up, since his fee schedule was probably something upwards of $2000 per hour for being handcuffed and wrongfully imprisoned. work that out for 11 days worth. thing is, legally his case is bullet proof. he was journeying without license and rego, as per his Common Law right/s and was assaulted and removed from his car merely because this particular cop didn't like the 'smartarse' freethinker who knew his rights and was doing his duty and exercising them.

i'll be very interested to see how it pans out in the end. i believe that Pytellek is probably preparing his lawsuit as we speak. we'd all do well to stay tuned for this one...


Half a million dollars - OUCH! Almost worth getting arrested for ;)

[number_6]

have you ever actually tried to enforce a fee schedule?
..


Has anyone to your knowledge been successful in trying to claim an hourly rate in Court that equals their normal hourly rate multiplied many times over? You cannot just pick a figure from thin air.
I have tried in Court to claim what I told the Judge was an average daily earnings for myself, and was actually awarded half.:(

[rosix]

when banks try to charge you £X fee for whatever, that never reflects a true cost of anything

[number_6]

when banks try to charge you £X fee for whatever, that never reflects a true cost of anything

That's true. However they are due to have this very situation tested in Court in June by an action taken by the OFT, and it is expected that the banks will lose the case.

[merlincove]

Fee schedules are an agreed process, if it is in place and has been accepted as value then it is claimable.

If the third party is aware of your fee schedule and concludes to persist in their action against you, then they have accepted your terms and fee schedule and it is accepted in its value unless they argue against it directly, surely this is the case?

If i were to say to you, you have sent me a mail claiming that i owe you a debt, please send prrof of claim of this debt per lawful contract etc. i have a fee schedule for dealing with this matter should you not be able to forward proof of claim and each piece of paper that i send to you has a value, if i send it to you as a letter it is worth £500. You can accept it or not, the choice is yours, but agree conditionally to accept it by further correspondance in this matter where proof of claim is not submitted. Any further letter they send to you that requires a response is their agreement to your fee schedule.

Nothing has any value unless that value is agreed upon. They accept your agreement by entering into it.

But yeah, in respect of claiming that as a contract, then the court will be the deciding factor, and i wouldn't worry about the odd letter here and there, it would perhaps be more hassle than it is worth. And don't forget if it heads up in court you are liable for court costs if it goes pear shaped. And also you are in court, do you really want to have to go to court?

i'm self employed and as such my fee schedule is my own concearn, i can charge £200 per hour because that is my hourly rate and no one can prove otherwise. But don't forget, a solicitor will charge £200 per hour, and if they don't work as a solicitor full time, but work say in the retail field and do a days work in a solicitors, for whatever reason, then their hourly rate varies. When they are stacking shelves, yeah they are on £7, but when they go to court or confer legal understanding, leters and entering into legal duties they aren't going to charge £7 per hour are they? And i am guessing, but a solicitor may charge £25 for sending a letter and £50 for having a chat with you, at a regular rate of £200 ph, but when they go to court do they charge a higher rate, and perhaps even different rates for different courts: ie magistrates and crown?

[wez004]

Fee schedules are an agreed process, if it is in place and has been accepted as value then it is claimable.

If the third party is aware of your fee schedule and concludes to persist in their action against you, then they have accepted your terms and fee schedule and it is accepted in its value unless they argue against it directly, surely this is the case?

If i were to say to you, you have sent me a mail claiming that i owe you a debt, please send prrof of claim of this debt per lawful contract etc. i have a fee schedule for dealing with this matter should you not be able to forward proof of claim and each piece of paper that i send to you has a value, if i send it to you as a letter it is worth £500. You can accept it or not, the choice is yours, but agree conditionally to accept it by further correspondance in this matter where proof of claim is not submitted. Any further letter they send to you that requires a response is their agreement to your fee schedule.

Nothing has any value unless that value is agreed upon. They accept your agreement by entering into it.

But yeah, in respect of claiming that as a contract, then the court will be the deciding factor, and i wouldn't worry about the odd letter here and there, it would perhaps be more hassle than it is worth. And don't forget if it heads up in court you are liable for court costs if it goes pear shaped. And also you are in court, do you really want to have to go to court?

i'm self employed and as such my fee schedule is my own concearn, i can charge £200 per hour because that is my hourly rate and no one can prove otherwise. But don't forget, a solicitor will charge £200 per hour, and if they don't work as a solicitor full time, but work say in the retail field and do a days work in a solicitors, for whatever reason, then their hourly rate varies. When they are stacking shelves, yeah they are on £7, but when they go to court or confer legal understanding, leters and entering into legal duties they aren't going to charge £7 per hour are they? And i am guessing, but a solicitor may charge £25 for sending a letter and £50 for having a chat with you, at a regular rate of £200 ph, but when they go to court do they charge a higher rate, and perhaps even different rates for different courts: ie magistrates and crown?

Thanks for that. No I don't really want to go to court I try and keep away from places like that. I guess the victory of them dropping out is payment enough and I'll be gratefull that one of my PERSONS supposed creditor's has dropped thier claim.

[free_soul]

My PERSON has complete and utter disregard for any authority. My PERSON has not been paying it's council tax. My PERSON has 6 outstanding parking tickets. My PERSON has outstanding fines for failing to name a driver and is due up in court again for driving at 36 in a 30. My PERSON has 4 different firms of bailiffs trying to extract money from it.

As the agent for this lunatic I’m thinking of suing it for all it’s got for the stress that this entity is putting me through. Is it possible for me to take action against this corporation and claim for compensation for its negligent actions that are impacting on my life?

I dont see why not if u show the correct understanding of what the person is then really dont see why not ;)

[rosix]

That's true. However they are due to have this very situation tested in Court in June by an action taken by the OFT, and it is expected that the banks will lose the case.

very interesting - did not know that :)

[radi astral]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUs2MW6a9aQ

Wasn't sure where to post this..
An interesting series explaining, in detail, use of words in laws and statutes. Recommended.