astral traveling- is it vivid and unlike dreaming?

[lostinstrangeworld]

I'd like to hear from those who have experienced an unmistakable OOBE or two, and also are there any risks if one asks for protection, etc?

[kimi]

I'd like to hear from those who have experienced an unmistakable OOBE or two, and also are there any risks if one asks for protection, etc?

"unmistakable OOBE" - is it a OOBE that have certification from goverment or prime minister ? :D

What do you mean by asking for protection? You mean to ask some nonorganic beings for protection? If thats what You want to do, well most of them will laugh at You if You ask for something like that :D But if some beings say that it will protect You, say ok, why not?

I would say there is no risk.

[mountain]

Hello, Lost!

Mmm been doing them quite often and recently realised that dreams (zombie mode) are pretty much the same. Let me explain dear just what I mean because its sometimes difficult to fathom.

See, I usually call it astral traveling or lucid dreaming and there are some slight differences. I simply kinda wake up within myself in these states, or sometimes I consciously drift outside and slip out of my body as soon as my body is rested and sleeping. Then I am off to soar out of my nearest window and into the world. But I noticed that the world is not exactly the same as in waking day, so clearly I feel I am experiencing another dimension enveloping or connected with ours, it feels like more of an expansion of our 3D world.

I hope I am making some sense lolol I tend to confuse people. :confused:

Back to zombie mode dreams, the type where you are playing a role and going along with the part. They are most definitely not something all in your head, I am no expert ofcourse. This is just my own perpception. I often wonder why scientists don't elaborate on them much because sometimes they feel more real than this 'waking' world,. We are all connected by this incredibly mass network better than any internet because its more natural, faster and stronger. The dreamworld unites us with all those gone and past and allows us to reach those that are in a slumber or a daydream.

OBEs is the same, except you aren't going with anyone's script and instead YOU write the story and play it out as you wish. You have total control but remember, there are bound to be a few boundaries and blockages here & there. They can be a pain in the ass, if you ask me. But other than that, its a glorious and beautiful experience each time. I always feel so free.

When I am aware I am out of body, I immediately take flight and fly around, my vision is panaramic and I can do whatever I please. I usually teleport myself to far distant places such as England . Once I had fun at pretending I am a Londener to all the people I greeted, it was funneh and crazy but confirmed for me that it was real. YES Londoners are great people! YAY!

I have also tried telling people they are dreaming or whatever, then showing them they can fly. Sometimes they are in awe when I shoot straight into the air and be like 'whoaaaaa' but see that was years ago when I first started doing it and I was excited and maybe showing off a li'l bit. :o

Let me end this, I realise I am ramblin' on and on but since I feel you are a dear kindred spirit, Lost, I don't mind opening up to you to share what I believe is the most profound birth of self that anyone can ever have. If that makes any sense, too.;)

I'll leave it at that, said too much :eek::D

Shannon xx xx xx xx

[lostinstrangeworld]

Thanks for sharing Shannon. :)

You'll have to let me know if you are flying by my way some time....drop in for a while for an imaginary spot of english tea and some biccies. :p

[j35p3r4d0]

If you want my take on this; here it is.

Astral projection is achievable through both typical "out of body" experiences, AND mentally contained extensive 'remote' projections.

I'll speak about the latter, it's my speciality.

I see remote viewing and astral projection as the 'same' thing, except one takes place in the entirety of sensory perception, and the other, remote viewing, is contained mentally, and can be done while meditating, or in any situation at all where the appropriate mental energy can be expended or facilitated.

It functions (remote viewing) as the extension of both intuitive and figurative abilities, and can be done to the same extents of success as astral travel, and with a higher level of material-world connection.

But it depends on how imaginative you are, and how intuitive you are. You need to have facilitated the travellings through your own concious process, as integrated into the larger predisposing informational structures of this reality.

my experience with remote viewing is near constantly perceivable (personally), as most interactions physically are represented of their own connected essences on the other astral planes, and I usually just receive the informational/subconscious manifestations of these interactions, as the subconscious egos of the factors in play work themselves out in multi-levelled dimensional reality.

As for higher-order astral planes, the ability of waking-concious remote viewing relies upon the ability of the individual to understand functionally the mechanism of these realities, and in that extent it is limited to an intrinsic process, rather than the free-flowing 'material' lucidity true 'astral projection' would allow. You also don't get time-dilation, meaning it's real time.

I'm limited to energy connectivity manifestations and holographic projections, but I assure you the things are quite similar, except in my case the operator stays on the phone at home while the call makes its way, while in astral projectionist situation, the caller carries a mobile phone at all times with a receiver back home. if you follow.

the two things are the same thing, in reversed aspects.

in that aspect, Astral projection is like taking an acid trip, while remote viewing is like knowing the mechanisms and things you actually have to DO to accomplish said tasks, and requires a great deal of conceptual acuity and flexibility, to be utilised to the same extends of astral projections, and would almost always fall short of the inter dimensional-plethora of realities available to full blown astral projection, while maintaining a materially interconnected edge on its older more intrinsically-sensory cousin

it is however extremely useful for those who want to work within THIS reality, in the informational etheric plane of earth, and in that sense, it follows the subject nicely.

it's like jumping through the matrix glitches, except you're relying on your ability to understand how they work, and your ability to utilise them, which as I said is something that requires a large extent of instinctive intuitiveness and the ability to multi-task mental sets. You almost need to be able to facilitate all the things that you need to interact upon as part of yourself, and so then to let them work for you.

rather than jumping in headlong to the pool, like astral projection, remote viewing is like the water jumping into you.

Mental cues and figurations are needed too for remote projection, you need maps, be they astral energy grids encircling the planet, or geographic localities and situations you can identify in deep trance state. unless you're going to shoot from the hip, that is.


my remote projection experience comes from a mix of drug-induced mental characteristics, Australian Aboriginal Dream time understandings of reality, and conceptual mechanics viewed in a process-orientated digital/mental/informational aspect.

To fly with the winds of the earth, and its mechanics, as they say, through harnessing true human spirit as interconnected with the earth as self-manifesting conciousness.

Truly the stuff of dreams, i must say.

[danster82]

I was really playing with it last night it was quite strange, I wouldnt even call it OBE or astral travel anymore it is simply staying awaken when asleep thats the best way to describe it.

It was getting a bit unnerving for me last night because I was unable to fall asleep without entering into what people call astral travel and I did just want to sleep, I was experimenting with the point between awaken and disembodied and phasing in and out of it all night long I swear it even has some physical effect on your brain as mine feels odd today.

I dont think any importance can be given to the astral realm it is not a spiritual realm there is no more to learn there than you can learn in physical, the only true lesson you can get from this is the realisation that you are not the body I see the astral as just a different vibration of the physical realm but still physical.

[angelx777]

I simply kinda wake up within myself in these states, or sometimes I consciously drift outside and slip out of my body as soon as my body is rested and sleeping. Then I am off to soar out of my nearest window and into the world. But I noticed that the world is not exactly the same as in waking day, so clearly I feel I am experiencing another dimension enveloping or connected with ours, it feels like more of an expansion of our 3D world.



your story sounds like a con, nobody slips out and flies from the windows in those 'travellings', what you do is you teleportate and immediatelly there watching them or participating, normally you like a ghost so they dont see you i think