BNP and Freemasonary

[paradise_1000]

THE BNP AND FREEMASONRY: THE PLOT THICKENS


By Nemesis


Further to Tartarus's article on the exposure of Edgar Griffin, father of BNP Chairman Nick Griffin, as a long-standing freemason, we have now receieved confirmation that Peter Silver (of Chartered Accountants Silver & Co) is a Lodge Grand Master and is based at Bridgenorth, Shropshire.


Clearly such a position of masonic authority conveys considerable power within the masonic community and the non-masonic world where fellow masons would be expected to work within the rules of the fraternity where it concerns mutual aid to fellow brothers.
It seems perfectly justified to assume therefore that Nick Griffin's father, Edgar Griffin (a long-standing lodge member) would have chosen the accountancy of Silver & Co to carry out the auditing work of the British National Party.
Edgar Griffin's lodge is at Welshpool, in close geographical proximity to Bridgenorth, Shropshire, where Silver & Co have the second of their two offices (the other one being in Cannock, Staffordshire).
The reasonable inference is that Silver & Co were selected on the basis of masonic connections between Edgar Griffin and Peter Silver.
Edgar Griffin manages the BNP's Trafalgar Fund and essentially administers the BNP Treasury, the actual Treasurers of the BNP seemingly front men for what is primarily a family-run business for the Griffins.
This brings into question just what is happening within the BNP Treasury and the central matter of financial transparency.
Why was an accountant chosen to audit the BNP finances who is a masonic lodge Grand Master, which is also close to the Griffin's family domain of Welshpool?
How deep do the masonic connections go?
Why were the freemasonry status of Edgar Griffin not made public?
And why did the Griffins choose Silver & Co as their accountants?
And, most importantly of all, now that we have established a masonic link with the BNP finances what capacity exists for corruption?
If BNP finances are in a poor state, or donations that have to be declared are hidden, or funds from dubious souces are received, what kind of 'creative accounting' is endorsed by Silver & Co?
We must also ask questions just how much of the BNP finances are going towards the Griffin family empire, either through direct means such a salaries and allowances, but also by indirectly means through schemes such as pension plans, business transactions, building projects, companies and investments.
A factor of considerable importance is why the Electoral Commission conducted an insipid investigation of the BNP finances and gave them a clean bill of health.
Many people, including not just the enemies of the BNP like the BBC and the far-Left but BNP members, expressed surprise at the whitewash of the various dubious financial transactions made by the BNP leadership, the evidence of shredded cheques and receipts and undisclosed donations.
In the wake of the BBC radio 4 programme into the allegations concerning the BNP finances nothing was done.
Even a report was made to the Metropolitant Police requesting an investigation.
To date nothing has come of it.
Now before the enemies of democracy and nationalism within the BNP hierarchy accuse us of being 'agents' or 'traitors' it is not we who are such. That label belongs firmly in the camp of those who have abused their power and positions of responsibility and are now directly attacking nationalists and weakening the BNP.
It belongs firmly to thosed also who although not agents or traitors are dupes as they have appplied their misguided loyalty to a man and a leadership so corrupt that they too have become infected with that DNA.
In their blindness to fight the nationalist struggle, and seeing the BNP as the only viable vehicle in achieving the ambition of a nationalist government, they have forgotten the necessity of criticism and commonsense, and have allowed the enemy into the camp through the back gate, and yet are too blind to see the nature of the enemy within.
Now that we have established a freemasonry connection between the Griffin dynastic empire and the BNP's accountants, can we reasonably infer the existence of a level of 'masonic protection' so that the masonic Griffins are protected by their brothers within the fraternity?
And can we also infer whether a similar brother, or brothers, of the masonic fraternity exist deep within the establishment who are helping the Griffin leadership of the BNP?
This would explain why the Electoral Commission whitewashed the investigation into the BNP finances. It may also help to explain why the Metropolitan Police have not produced an investigation into the complaints submitted regarding the BNP finances. It may also help to explain why the Derbyshire police did not prosecute the BNP leadership for the various criminal activities that had been carried out against some of the 'rebels' in December 2007 when the home of Sadie Graham was effectively burgled by Griffin's henchmen and private communications were intercepted and data stolen.
We know that the police has its own freemasonry lodges and there has been recorded instances of freemasonry being used to corrupt the police and its work regarding criminals and the judiciary.
We must also note that the BNP front known as Solidarity (a former independent nationalist trade union that had been taken over by Nick Griffin in collaboration with Patrick Harrington of the Third Way/NLP) used the services of Silver & Co to scrutinise it's executive elections and that they are being used to audit its finances.
Clearly, the accountants of Silver & Co had been recommended by Griffin to Patrick Harrington and we must ask the question why?
Was it because as Silver & Co were a masonic accountant they could be relied upon to perform a sympathetic service for the BNP front group?
What exactly is the relationship, both political and financial, between the BNP leadership and the Solidarity front group?
And why does Patrick Harrington, former National Front 'Political Soldier' colleague of Nick Griffin and now serving as his front man as General Secretary of the BNP Solidarity trade union, always use the term 'Brotherhood' to describe the union andits membership?
The term 'Brotherhood' is a common term to describe freemasonry and its membership.
What we require now is a full and urgent investigation into the level and extent of freemasonry involvement within the BNP leadership and its connections with any establishment conspiracy. Clearly, if masonic elements within the establishment are assisting the Griffin leadership of the BNP it is not to promote nationalism and to overthrow the usury capitalist/liberal-Left system.
The Brotherhood are a deeply-ingrained element of that system and their desire within the higher echelons of that institution are to function as a 'state within a state', to perpetuate their financial system and their political control of society.
Leading masons within the establishmet owe allegiance and mutual fraternity as well as political and financial goals with politicians and bankers across the world.
To that extent the masonic fraternity is a global brotherhood and one which upholds the globalist agenda.
What is at stake is not only the future of honest and democratic government but the perversion and corruption of democracy itself. The existence of a nationalist alternative to the liberal establishment parties has always bene the bane of the liberal-Left establishment and the Global Corporate Fascist elite.
The fact is that the primary nationalist party in Britain has now effectively been compromised and corrupted by a masonic fraternity that is allied with the liberal establishment.
We have seen how Nick Griffin, after he captured the Chairmanship of the BNP, launched a ferocious assault on his rivals and upon the constitution of the party. He changed the policy direction and its ideology and began a process of personal self-enrichment at the expense of BNP members. His actions have judged him.
New information has now condemned him.
We now know a bit more about the reason for the parasitic takeover of the BNP.We must now call for an independent investigation into both the BNP and the Griffin family and its fremasonry links, as well as an investigation into the masonic links of the Electoral Commission and the Police.
Nemesis and NorthWest Nationalists are continuing their investigations into the freemasonry links within the BNP and any individual with any information or leads is invited to submit their material (in confidence if necessary) to NorthWest Nationalists. Please be aware though that unsubstantiated allegations will not be taken seriously unless they can be supported by evidence or are corroborated by other's testimony.

taken from here

http://northwestnationalists.blogspot.com/2008/07/bnp-and-freemasonry-plot-thickens-by.html

[richanpoor]

good find paradise!

now I even more reasons to believe that these fascists cannot be trusted and are as corrupt as all the other parties.

[nirvana]

Very interesting confirms the bnp as part of the nwo now.

[decim]

griffins father used an accountant who is a freemason?

that is damning?

is there any evidence?

did sean hadley at nwn used to be in the bnp, before being kicked out?

[paradise_1000]

Griffins dad :eek:

edit: he is in the middle

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/Rostafari/EGriffin.jpg

thanks to richanpoor for that :)

Griffin doing a masonic handshake ??

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/Rostafari/ngmason-001.jpg

seems to the BNP are very much for the EU esp with all the European racist party meet ups :eek:

[decim]

he doesn't have "griffins dad" written on his forehead.

[paradise_1000]

he doesn't have "griffins dad" written on his forehead.


OK Griffins Worshipful Master Grand Chief Wizard of the mighty Apocalypse.

any better ?

[paradise_1000]

Edgar Griffin
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Edgar Vincent Griffin is an English politician, previously of the Conservative Party.

Griffin was a long-standing Conservative Party member and former councillor. He was a councillor for St Johns Wood Terrace Ward on St Marylebone Borough Council from 1959 to 1965. His son, Nick Griffin, is Chairman of the British National Party and his wife Jean was a councillor and parliamentary candidate for the BNP. Jean Griffin stood in Enfield North at the 1997 general election and Chingford & Woodford Green in the 2001 general election.

Following the 2001 general election and William Hague's resignation as Conservative party leader, Griffin became vice-president in Wales of Iain Duncan Smith's party leadership campaign, despite the fact that Griffin's wife had just stood against Duncan Smith in his Chingford and Woodford Green seat. However, Griffin was expelled from that position and from the Conservative party itself when it was discovered that "he [was] assisting the British National Party" by taking BNP-related calls at home on behalf of his wife. [1]

Griffin has been a Freemason since 1947. Among many senior Masonic appointments, he has been Worshipful Master and Worshipful Commander. Only two other Masons have held Grand Rank for longer than Edgar Griffin, who received the Grand Rank of Assistant Grand Inner Guard in 1962[2].

[decim]

I can see a photograph of three old men playing dress up, where does it identify one of them as griffins father?

[decim]

that is better proof his father was a mason.

is masonry hereditary?

[luciferhorus]

THE BNP AND FREEMASONRY: THE PLOT THICKENS

BNP Chairman Nick Griffin, as a long-standing freemason,



Dear Masons.

Are there any Masons here willing to dispute this?

Theolonius?

Grand Secretary?

??

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_inYnI1s7130/SGcFNRXgWbI/AAAAAAAAADY/6yUOqe0aUOE/s320/EGriffin.jpg

The person on the left is the Provincial Grand Master, W. Bro. Edgar Griffin, P.G.J.D., R.A.M.G.R,

This is provably, empirically, and indisputably, beyond all reasonable doubt Nick Griffen's father.


Further, here is provably, empirically, indisputably and beyond all reasonable doubt my own Masonic, pagan, evangelically anti-Christian Kabbalistic cultsit father who is now and always has been since his late teens, a Masonic cultist; here is my and my late and beloved mother and my current existant father.

http://www.luciferia.tv/Knightsofgeorge/motherfatherw.jpg

The son of Provincial Grand Master, W. Bro. Edgar Griffin, P.G.J.D., R.A.M.G.R, son is an overt and evangelical anti-Communist; Edgar Griffin's son has distinguished himslef as a nationalist, a racist and an homophobic xenophobe, and as scum fit only for the ovens of the Final Holocaust.

Whereas I still love my father and he still loves me; and I have long attempted to explain his beliefs to humanity, without asking for Capitialist coin.

Discuss and debate...

Terrible and dreadful shall be the Day of Judgement.

My father has only me to leave behind as his legacy of hatred against the Christian god; you will have to deal with me.

Lux
Fire, plague and poisoned waters.
For Anarchism and Communism.
For the global holocaust of the Christians.

[grandsecretary]

Are there any Masons here willing to dispute this?

Theolonius?

Grand Secretary?

The person on the left is the Provincial Grand Master, W. Bro. Edgar Griffin, P.G.J.D., R.A.M.G.R,

This is provably, emprically, and indisputably, beyond all reasonable doubt Nick's father.

The father of a member of the British National Party is, or was, a Moderns freemason. What is your point exactly? That all fathers agree with and support the politics of their sons? I don't honestly believe that this can stand up as an intelligent comment can it? Really!

Oh, and so that there is no misunderstanding, I am opposed to all forms of racism and urge you all not to support or vote for the BNP.

[thelonious]

Oh, and so that there is no misunderstanding, I am opposed to all forms of racism and urge you all not to support or vote for the BNP.

I've never even heard of the BNP or Nick Griffen. I voted for Obama.

:cool:

[grandsecretary]

I've never even heard of the BNP or Nick Griffen. I voted for Obama.

:cool:

How do you think he is doing?

[grandsecretary]

Dear Masons.

Are there any Masons here willing to dispute this?

Theolonius?

Grand Secretary?

??

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_inYnI1s7130/SGcFNRXgWbI/AAAAAAAAADY/6yUOqe0aUOE/s320/EGriffin.jpg

The person on the left is the Provincial Grand Master, W. Bro. Edgar Griffin, P.G.J.D., R.A.M.G.R,

This is provably, empirically, and indisputably, beyond all reasonable doubt Nick Griffen's father.


Further, here is provably, empirically indisputably and beyond all reasonable doubt my own Masonic, pagan, evangelically anti-Christian Kabbalistic cultsit father whis is now and always has been since his late teens, a Masonic cultist; here is my and my late and beloved mother and my current existant father.

http://www.luciferia.tv/Knightsofgeorge/motherfatherw.jpg

The son of Provincial Grand Master, W. Bro. Edgar Griffin, P.G.J.D., R.A.M.G.R, son is an overt and evangelical anti-Communist; Edgar Griffin's son has distinguished himslef as a nationalist, a racist and an homophobic xenophobe, and as scum fit only for the ovens of the Final Holocaust.

Discuss and debate...

My fatehr has only me to leave behind as his legacy of hatred against the Christian god; you will have to deal with me.

Lux

Well there you go, you just prove my point. Thanks.

My sympathies are entirely with your poor father. You must have been a great disappointment to him and it is not very nice to speak badly of your parents like this, and on a public website too. May God forgive you.

[thelonious]

How do you think he is doing?

Hard to say...there hasn't been enough time for any of his reforms to show effect, and hasn't had enough time to even enact some of them. Our privatized health care system on this side of the pond is both a mess and a joke, we have two wars dragging on, and the former Republican administration apparently agreed with the commies on this forum that torturing folks is a-ok.

Obviously, there's a lot of work to do.

[boots]

Griffins dad :eek:

edit: he is in the middle

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/Rostafari/EGriffin.jpg

thanks to richanpoor for that :)

Griffin doing a masonic handshake ??

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/Rostafari/ngmason-001.jpg

seems to the BNP are very much for the EU esp with all the European racist party meet ups :eek:


Confirms me belief that you have to have connections to get somewhere, especially in politics.

[luciferhorus]

Well there you go, you just prove my point. Thanks.

My sympathies are entirely with your poor father. You must have been a great disappointment to him and it is not very nice to speak badly of your parents like this, and on a public website too. May God forgive you.


I have not spoken against my late mother or my father; I love them both with all my heart and soul; may the one Mother Goddess forbid such blasphemy; on the contrary I merely seek to continue their anti-Christian tradition, and their resistance against universal evil.

What blasphemy and heresy from your mouth.


Wash your mouth out with soap, oh utterer of blasphemy and heresy

Lux

[grandsecretary]

I have not spoken against my late mother or my father; I love them both with all my heart and soul; may the one Mother Goddess forbid such blasphemy; on the contrary I merely seek to continue their anti-Christian tradition, and their resistance against universal evil.

What blasphemy and heresy from your mouth.


Wash your mouth out with soap, oh utterer of blasphemy and heresy

Lux

But you are claiming that your father had the same daft views that you espouse. I don't believe you.

[luciferhorus]

But you are claiming that your father had the same daft views that you espouse. I don't believe you.

I have revised his views; I care not if you disbelieve me, for it you were truly a Freemason of the higher echelons, you would be able to reveal to me his telephone number, which I would gladly confirrn and I would be able to converse with him regarding yourself. Of your intellectual and spiritlual opinions on the 'Great Work' (a/k/a the Final Communist revolutuion)' I find nothing of value from you here. and thus I must therefore consider you as among the 'chaff,' 'untermenshce' and the assortment of unenlightened rabble and useless eaters and so forth, and as totally unworthy of of the breath of life.

[grandsecretary]

I have revised his views; I care not if you disbelieve me, for it you were truly a Freemason of the higher echelons, you would be able to reveal to me his telephone number, which I would gladly confirrn and I would be able to converse with him regarding yourself. Of your intellectual and spiritlual opinions on the 'Great Work' (a/k/a the Final Communist revolutuion)' I find nothing of value from you here. and thus I must therefore consider you as among the 'chaff,' 'untermenshce' and the assortment of unenlightened rabble and useless eaters and so forth, and as totally unworthy of of the breath of life.

How very kind. Communism in action, Hitler's "untermensche" and the final solution.

[paradise_1000]

@ grandsecretary

Hi seeing as you are a Mason is it or has it been custom for sons to follow fathers into the masons ?

I am not that schooled on Masonic practices but do understand its an invite only thing and obviously to get in you have to be of a certain caliber obviously if the sons off the rails it would be a no no .


and secondly

Would you think it would be probable that Nick Griffin is a mason?


Racism aside

cheers

[grandsecretary]

@ grandsecretary

Hi seeing as you are a Mason is it or has it been custom for sons to follow fathers into the masons ?

I am not that schooled on Masonic practices but do understand its an invite only thing and obviously to get in you have to be of a certain caliber obviously if the sons off the rails it would be a no no .


and secondly

Would you think it would be probable that Nick Griffin is a mason?


Racism aside

cheers

My father was not a Free Mason but it used to be traditional that sons followed their fathers. Nowadays, in general, sons do not join as a matter of course. In my case, my elder son is a Free Mason but my younger son is not.

I simply do not know whether Nick Griffin is a Moderns Mason. I am pleased to tell you that he is not one of ours, and never will be. Mike Martin might know.

[grandsecretary]

I have just checked. Nick Griffin of the BNP has a criminal conviction for Incitement to Racial Hatred. There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that he would be considered suitable for membership of The United Grand Lodge of England.

We may have our disagreements with them, but I know that this is a firm policy of theirs, and good on them for that.

I am sure that Mike will confirm this.

[paradise_1000]

My father was not a Free Mason but it used to be traditional that sons followed their fathers. Nowadays, in general, sons do not join as a matter of course. In my case, my elder son is a Free Mason but my younger son is not.

I simply do not know whether Nick Griffin is a Moderns Mason. I am pleased to tell you that he is not one of ours, and never will be. Mike Martin might know.

cheers :)

[paradise_1000]

I have just checked. Nick Griffin of the BNP has a criminal conviction for Incitement to Racial Hatred. There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that he would be considered suitable for membership of The United Grand Lodge of England.

We may have our disagreements with them, but I know that this is a firm policy of theirs, and good on them for that.

I am sure that Mike will confirm this.

ok thanks again

[flyermay]

I have just checked. Nick Griffin of the BNP has a criminal conviction for Incitement to Racial Hatred. There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that he would be considered suitable for membership of The United Grand Lodge of England.

And, what happens if he is conviced after having been accepted? Would he be dismissed from the lodge?

[grandsecretary]

And, what happens if he is conviced after having been accepted? Would he be dismissed from the lodge?

He would have been suspended as soon as it became known that he had been charged with a criminal offence, and excluded upon conviction. Of this, I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever, and there is no statute of limitations in freemasonry. He would never be allowed back.

[nirvana]

The father of a member of the British National Party is, or was, a Moderns freemason. What is your point exactly? That all fathers agree with and support the politics of their sons? I don't honestly believe that this can stand up as an intelligent comment can it? Really!

Oh, and so that there is no misunderstanding, I am opposed to all forms of racism and urge you all not to support or vote for the BNP.


Edgar griffin took his son to NF meetings when he was a teenager. Strange how a staunch tory would push their son into nationalism:confused:

Im surprized edgar griffin is not suspended or kicked out of his lodge for grooming his son into nationalism.

[paolo]

Nick Griffin serves a purpose as exposed. If he were a true mason a conviction would never have been brought about, unless it served a purpose
The purpose may be that Nick is seen as a worthy opponent to the exposed criminals in government, precisely because of his conviction
It's a trash reading for all the goyim, isn't it gs?

[decim]

He would have been suspended as soon as it became known that he had been charged with a criminal offence, and excluded upon conviction. Of this, I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever, and there is no statute of limitations in freemasonry. He would never be allowed back.

The operative word.

Kenneth Noye got away with quite alot didn't he, before he was finally convicted.

Of course we only have your word that criminal masons are banished for life.

There will be an abundance of MP masons in parliament, & it is blatantly obvious what a bunch of crooks they are.

[luciferhorus]

But you are claiming that your father had the same daft views that you espouse. I don't believe you.

No I do not claim this at all; my father is a devotee of the god of Capital and has been throughout his life a member of a competing religious cult to yours, which contains numerous evangelical, militant, genocidal Capitalists and the assorted chaff of state terrorist, narco-terrrorist collaboraters, legalists, etc., were I to come to the conclusion that your own cult would forbid entry to such vermin, I would think differently of you, but I find no evidence of this; on the contrary.

Lux

[luciferhorus]

The operative word.

Kenneth Noye got away with quite alot didn't he, before he was finally convicted.

.

He was relatively speaking a petty criminal, which is generally frowned upon by Masons; only Masons who support the macro-criminality of Crown colaboration, Anglo-American state terrorist collaboration, etc., are generally welcome among their ranks.

Noye was involved in laundering the proceeds of the Brinks Mat robbery in 1983. While he was being investigated for his part in the robbery, he stabbed to death police officer John Fordham who was observing Noye from the grounds of his home. Noye was acquitted of murder on the grounds of self-defence, ..

Killing one person makes one a a 'petty' criminal; whereas collaborating with the Anglo-Americna state terrorists and their militia makes one a genocidal macro-criminal; only genocidal macro-criminals appear to be welcome with open arms in Masonry, whereas petty criminals are frowned upon; they are apparently not evil enough, and generally not considered to have shown sufficient devotion to the god of Capital.

Lux

[decim]

He was relatively speaking a petty criminal, which is generally frowned upon by Masons; only Masons who support the macro-criminality of Crown colaboration, Anglo-American state terrorist collaboration, etc., are generally welcome among their ranks.

Noye was involved in laundering the proceeds of the Brinks Mat robbery in 1983. While he was being investigated for his part in the robbery, he stabbed to death police officer John Fordham who was observing Noye from the grounds of his home. Noye was acquitted of murder on the grounds of self-defence, ..

Killing one person makes one a a 'petty' criminal; whereas collaborating with the Anglo-Americna state terrorists and their militia makes one a genocidal macro-criminal; only genocidal macro-criminals appear to be welcome with open arms in Masonry, whereas petty criminals are frowned upon; they are apparently not evil enough, and generally not considered to have shown sufficient devotion to the god of Capital.

Lux

I respectfully disagree.

Being acquitted for killing a policeman is no mean feat in the secret society, that is Britain.

No matter what the circumstance.

[slartibartfast]

There will be an abundance of MP masons in parliament,...

Any source for that statement...?

[decim]

Any source for that statement...?

Yes, thanks for asking.

"The latest allegations came to light following a campaign to lift the secrecy on the Dunblane massacre. Large sections of the police report were banned from the public domain under a 100-year secrecy order. Lord Cullen, an establishment insider, also omitted and censored references to the documents in his final report."

http://www.tpuc.org/node/34

[nirvana]

Is there any bnp people who want to defend their parties masonic links?

[grandsecretary]

Nick Griffin serves a purpose as exposed. If he were a true mason a conviction would never have been brought about, unless it served a purpose
The purpose may be that Nick is seen as a worthy opponent to the exposed criminals in government, precisely because of his conviction
It's a trash reading for all the goyim, isn't it gs?

paolo you are simply expressing the views of a bigot. I have never heard the word goyim ever used in a Masonic context.

[grandsecretary]

The operative word.

Kenneth Noye got away with quite alot didn't he, before he was finally convicted.

Of course we only have your word that criminal masons are banished for life.

There will be an abundance of MP masons in parliament, & it is blatantly obvious what a bunch of crooks they are.

Well let's deal with the facts shall we? ALL Masons are suspended if charged by the police with a criminal offence and are excluded if convicted whether their name is Kenneth Noye, Peter Clatworthy, or Father Christmas.

As far as MP's are concerned. my information is that there is only a handful of MP's who are freemasons, and if any one of them is charged or convicted with a criminal offence I have no doubt that they will be dealt with in exactly the same way.

I am not here to defend MP's,

[grandsecretary]

No I do not claim this at all; my father is a devotee of the god of Capital and has been throughout his life a member of a competing religious cult to yours, which contains numerous evangelical, militant, genocidal Capitalists and the assorted chaff of state terrorist, narco-terrrorist collaboraters, legalists, etc., were I to come to the conclusion that your own cult would forbid entry to such vermin, I would think differently of you, but I find no evidence of this; on the contrary.

Lux

Well let's agree that our distant and anonymous relationship is one of mutual dissapproval.

[grandsecretary]

Yes, thanks for asking.

"The latest allegations came to light following a campaign to lift the secrecy on the Dunblane massacre. Large sections of the police report were banned from the public domain under a 100-year secrecy order. Lord Cullen, an establishment insider, also omitted and censored references to the documents in his final report."

http://www.tpuc.org/node/34

No this will not do. What is your source for the statement about the number of MP's who are freemasons.

[boots]

Yes, thanks for asking.

"The latest allegations came to light following a campaign to lift the secrecy on the Dunblane massacre. Large sections of the police report were banned from the public domain under a 100-year secrecy order. Lord Cullen, an establishment insider, also omitted and censored references to the documents in his final report."

http://www.tpuc.org/node/34

Well that just stinks of a coverup doesn't it. Fucking pedophiles.

Reminds me very much of the child abuse in Victoria, which Icke said in his seminar here. Masons in high levels there too.

.

[grandsecretary]

Well that just stinks of a coverup doesn't it. Fucking pedophiles.

Reminds me very much of the child abuse in Victoria, which Icke said in his seminar here. Masons in high levels there too.

Evidence?

This is exactly what it is. A vicious, unfounded allegation under the cover of anonymity, a filthy mind and a foul mouth. The mark of the coward is on your forehead for all to see.

You would not dare do this in the public arena because you would be sued, and you would lose.

"BNP and Freemasonry"?

[boots]

Evidence?

This is exactly what it is. A vicious, unfounded allegation under the cover of anonymity, a filthy mind and a foul mouth. The mark of the coward is on your forehead for all to see.

You would not dare do this in the public arena because you would be sued, and you would lose.

"BNP and Freemasonry"?

Stop hiding behind the curtain. Your such a rude vile person/slave.

In victoria the lady who was Young Victorian of the Year and the Young Australian of the Year exposed the pedophile corruption. in the high levels of government and media. She was also a Doctor.

Now what do you think would happen when those high level cocksucker masons used there power to stifle any investigation? Bloody obvious. So of course it happens in England.

[boots]

a filthy mind and a foul mouth. The mark of the coward is on your forehead for all to see.



You know what you are.

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9672/iconwank.gif (http://img29.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iconwank.gif)


BTW this has hit a raw nerve with you which always makes me think that you are one too or CERTAINLY defending pedophile masons.

.

[decim]

No this will not do. What is your source for the statement about the number of MP's who are freemasons.

No this will not do indeed.

I did not specify a number.

Here are my words, quoted for your apprehension.

There will be an abundance of MP masons in parliament, & it is blatantly obvious what a bunch of crooks they are.

Abundance

Noun

Singular
abundance

abundance (plural abundances)

An overflowing fullness, ample sufficiency, great plenty, profusion; copious supply,superfluity, A lack of scarcity.

As you confirmed in your previous post, here quoted.

As far as MP's are concerned. my information is that there is only a handful of MP's who are freemasons, and if any one of them is charged or convicted with a criminal offence I have no doubt that they will be dealt with in exactly the same way.

This fits amicably with my use of the word Abundance.

Do you CON?

Son of MA 'at

GranDE secret BEE 5hivE 5hivE 5hivE number oV the BEE.st.

Son of MA 'at yore SP3ll isis B33 Nding

[grandsecretary]

No this will not do indeed.

I did not specify a number.

Here are my words, quoted for your apprehension.



Abundance

Noun

Singular
abundance

abundance (plural abundances)

An overflowing fullness, ample sufficiency, great plenty, profusion; copious supply,superfluity, A lack of scarcity.

As you confirmed in your previous post, here quoted.



This fits amicably with my use of the word Abundance.

Do you CON?

Son of MA 'at

GranDE secret BEE 5hivE 5hivE 5hivE number oV the BEE.st.

Son of MA 'at yore SP3ll isis B33 Nding

Abundance: plenty; more than enough; a lot. (SOURCE: Oxford English Dictionary)

Exaggerate: make a thing seem larger or greater etc. than it really is. (SOURCE: same as above)

[grandsecretary]

You know what you are.

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9672/iconwank.gif (http://img29.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iconwank.gif)


BTW this has hit a raw nerve with you which always makes me think that you are one too or CERTAINLY defending pedophile masons.

.

No it hasn't. Sorry to disappoint you Herr Goebbels.

[decim]

Abundance: plenty; more than enough; a lot. (SOURCE: Oxford English Dictionary)

Exaggerate: make a thing seem larger or greater etc. than it really is. (SOURCE: same as above)

There you go again Son of MA'at, trying to apply your craftiness, divide, rule, ark.

Where was exaggerate applied bar your irrelevant use of?

The truth is plain for all to see.

You do not deny the 100 year secrecy on the Dunblane case?

The "proof" is available for all, on the 23 23 23.

[eastbeast]

In victoria the lady who was Young Victorian of the Year and the Young Australian of the Year exposed the pedophile corruption. in the high levels of government and media. She was also a Doctor.

I remember hearing something about this a while ago, but not the whole story.
Could you give a very brief outline?
I think I know from your post but just want to be sure of what you are telling us all.



Now what do you think would happen when those high level masons used there power to stifle any investigation? Bloody obvious. So of course it happens in England.


I edited out the unnecessary adjective.

If there was Masonic involvement, how can this be proven?
If there was then it is inexcusable.

Similarly if there was deeply rooted Paedophilia in English Government or in English Freemasonry, how can it be proven? obviously it is also inexcusable.


Back to the thread title;

Freemasonry and the BNP do not belong together in my opinion, and I'm pretty sure the constitutions, rules and by-laws etc. imply or state that it is not in the spirit of Freemasonry to get up to the kind of things the BNP do.


Quite why there seems to be a link between the BNP and Cleggy's Dad's firm I don't know, but as a Freemason Cleggy senior should have kept himself distinctly seperate from the boy.

Not an easy thing to do, unless one disowns the other, and who would want that?

At best an error of judgement has occured.

Consider this also;
Cleggy senoir is able to seperate his Personal (including Freemasonry) life from Business and the BNP is just another client.

[grandsecretary]

There you go again Son of MA'at, trying to apply your craftiness, divide, rule, ark.

Where was exaggerate applied bar your irrelevant use of?

The truth is plain for all to see.

You do not deny the 100 year secrecy on the Dunblane case?

The "proof" is available for all, on the 23 23 23.

What on earth has Dunblane got to do with either the BNP or Freemasonry? For goodness sake stop rambling (diverting).

[decim]

What on earth has Dunblane got to do with either the BNP or Freemasonry? For goodness sake stop rambling (diverting).


Quote:
Originally Posted by decim View Post
Yes, thanks for asking.

"The latest allegations came to light following a campaign to lift the secrecy on the Dunblane massacre. Large sections of the police report were banned from the public domain under a 100-year secrecy order. Lord Cullen, an establishment insider, also omitted and censored references to the documents in his final report."

http://www.tpuc.org/node/34
No this will not do. What is your source for the statement about the number of MP's who are freemasons.

Your post at the top of the previous page Son of MA'at.

You quoted MY post.

Isis that clear?

[grandsecretary]

Your post at the top of the previous page Son of MA'at.

You quoted MY post.

Isis that clear?

I am afraid that I speak in plain English. Please explain what you are getting at, my question stands. What on earth has Dunblane got to do with the BNP or freemasonry?

[decim]

I am afraid that I speak in plain English. Please explain what you are getting at, my question stands. What on earth has Dunblane got to do with the BNP or freemasonry?

Edit edit edit.
Bzzzy BEE... gotta check the ground.

Blair government insider Lord Robertson has threatened to sue Scotland's leading independent newspaper over internet allegations that he not only used his influence as a Freemason to procure a gun licence for child killer Thomas Hamilton, but was also a member of a clandestine paedophile ring reportedly set up by Hamilton for the British elite. On 13 March 1996, Hamilton, armed with four hand-guns, opened fire on a junior school class, killing 16 children and one teacher before turning the gun on himself, shattering forever the idyllic 13th century Scottish town of Dunblane. Lord Robertson was the referee on Thomas Hamilton's shotgun licence.

As you well know Son of Ma'at.

Lord Robertson unpunished Free Son of MA'at aided by blair & the 100 year secrecy put on the case.

You will find the information additional to this.
http://www.tpuc.org/node/34 <-----here.

[grandsecretary]

Edit edit edit.
Bzzzy BEE... gotta check the ground.

Blair government insider Lord Robertson has threatened to sue Scotland's leading independent newspaper over internet allegations that he not only used his influence as a Freemason to procure a gun licence for child killer Thomas Hamilton, but was also a member of a clandestine paedophile ring reportedly set up by Hamilton for the British elite. On 13 March 1996, Hamilton, armed with four hand-guns, opened fire on a junior school class, killing 16 children and one teacher before turning the gun on himself, shattering forever the idyllic 13th century Scottish town of Dunblane. Lord Robertson was the referee on Thomas Hamilton's shotgun licence.

As you well know Son of Ma'at.

Lord Robertson unpunished Free Son of MA'at aided by blair & the 100 year secrecy put on the case.

You will find the information additional to this.
http://www.tpuc.org/node/34 <-----here.

Allegation and innuendo. Tony Blair is not, of course, a freemason and never has been. The allegations against Lord Robertson are quite rightly described as "an internet allegation", i.e. unfounded, anonymous, and valueless, which is what you too specialise in.

Why are you calling me Son of Ma'at? My father was called William.

[decim]

Allegation and innuendo. Tony Blair is not, of course, a freemason and never has been. The allegations against Lord Robertson are quite rightly described as "an internet allegation", i.e. unfounded, anonymous, and valueless, which is what you too specialise in.

He never pursued the matter.

Why did the government need to "invent" a completely new classification of official secrets timescale? ie. 30 years the previous maximum, was raised to 100 years.

[grandsecretary]

He never pursued the matter.

Why did the government need to "invent" a completely new classification of official secrets timescale? ie. 30 years the previous maximum, was raised to 100 years.

He? Who is he?

Ask them, not me. How the hell should I know?

[decim]

He? Who is he?

Ask them, not me. How the hell should I know?

Y3s how would you.

Enjoy the cricket.

[luciferhorus]

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[decim]

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HOW IZ HE!

[eastbeast]

He never pursued the matter.

Why did the government need to "invent" a completely new classification of official secrets timescale? ie. 30 years the previous maximum, was raised to 100 years.


Not that I am defending him, but there could be any number of reasons why Burton didn't pursue the matter.

I am under the impression that the 100 year secrecy rule has been around for a lot longer than the events of Dunblane.

[grandsecretary]

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HOW IZ HE!

Well if this is all that you can come up with, clearly not out.

The Speculative Society is very definitely NOT a Masonic organisation. It is, in fact, a university student's association which was formed in order to further the art of public speaking and literary composition.

I cannot recommend the News of the World to you as a reliable source of truth and honesty.

What was the outcome of this sensational expose? It is, after all, entitled "an investigation". An investigation is an enquiry, not proof or even evidence, it is often misguided opinion.

I believe that Mr Hamilton did us all a favour and committed suicide.

[decim]

Well if this is all that you can come up with, clearly not out.

The Speculative Society is very definitely NOT a Masonic organisation. It is, in fact, a university student's association which was formed in order to further the art of public speaking and literary composition.

I cannot recommend the News of the World to you as a reliable source of truth and honesty.

What was the outcome of this sensational expose?

LBW

ONE HUNDRED YEARS longer the truth remains hidden.

Ah well, MA'at's sons are partial to a secret or th3.

[decim]

Not that I am defending him, but there could be any number of reasons why Burton didn't pursue the matter.

I am under the impression that the 100 year secrecy rule has been around for a lot longer than the events of Dunblane.

The person threatening litigation was Lord Robertson.

[grandsecretary]

The person threatening litigation was Lord Robertson.

So what actually happened? Was there a court case, or a public enquiry? If you are not satisfied, what are you doing about it?

[eastbeast]

The person threatening litigation was Lord Robertson.


Robertson?

Damn I must stop trying to do too many things at once!
Thanks for the correction.

I'm hoping someone can find out official secrets timescales and when they were decided / made policy.

[grandsecretary]

Robertson?

Damn I must stop trying to do too many things at once!
Thanks for the correction.

I'm hoping someone can find out official secrets timescales and when they were decided / made policy.

What, in this case, is claimed to be subject to The Official Secrets Act?

[decim]

So what actually happened? Was there a court case, or a public enquiry? If you are not satisfied, what are you doing about it?

The cullen enquiry, then sealed from public view.

& Praying

[grandsecretary]

The cullen enquiry, then sealed from public view.

& Praying

Thanks for this information. I shall see what the terms of reference were for this enquiry.

[grandsecretary]

OK I have read it and I am reminded of the case which I read about at the time (not I hasten to add in The News of the World).

Now, please:

1) What is the beef, exactly?
2) What is it that it is alleged has been covered up?
3) By whom?
4) and, for what purpose?

[decim]

OK I have read it and I am reminded of the case which I read about at the time (not I hasten to add in The News of the World).

Now, please:

1) What is the beef, exactly?
2) What is it that it is alleged has been covered up?
3) By whom?
4) and, for what purpose?

1) Secrecy, transparency lack thereof.
2) There were others involved, that escaped prosecution.
3) Allegedly Masons &, or Governmental agencies, including police.
4) To avoid prosecution,liability embarrassment & or of Governmental agencies including the police.

[luciferhorus]

1) Secrecy, transparency lack thereof.
2) There were others involved, that escaped prosecution.
3) Allegedly Masons &, or Governmental agencies, including police.
4) To avoid prosecution,liability embarrassment & or of Governmental agencies including the police.

Yes of course.


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There do seem to be numerous testimonials regarding an 'International conspiracy' to cover up the activities of organised and secretive 'gangs' of paedophiles and sex murderers among the elites.

There are numerous links to articles on this subject on Alex Jones' site below

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_elite_sex_ring.html

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In Belgium, Europe's most notoriuous sex murderer and child rapist Marc Dutroux has consistently alleged that he was simply an employee of an elite 'sex ring' which involved the 'high-level trafficking in children for sex;' he apparently filmed many of the rapes of his captive victims (while slowly starving them to death) and such films were allegedly passed on to his 'masters.' Stories regarding the 'cover up' of such issues to protect establishment figures litter the Internet.

All the tens of thousands of children who dissapear in Europe and America every year have to have gone 'somewhere' and their fate is very likely to be almost unthinkable.

That the Grand Secretary here seems to be very concerned with discrediting the above article is rather unsurprising; a more 'normal' response to such allegations would be a general outrage over such evil; this is a normal response by we who are 'human,' where we to seek to investigate and expose the perpetrators of such unspeakable evil.

My Judgement

The Grand Secretary's response to this issue is further evidence of the correctness of my infallible 'ex officio' judgement on Masons in general; i.e., that the Masons are morally 'subhuman ('untermensche')' chaff who are entirely unworthy of life; they are 'persons of absolutely no moral worth whatsoever,' and are entirely unfit for human existence, and should be disposed of at the first available post-apocalyptic opportunity.



Lux

[rydeon]

good find paradise!

now I even more reasons to believe that these fascists cannot be trusted and are as corrupt as all the other parties.

Well, my best friend is a freemason and his father before him.
They've helped me and earned my respect.
No NWO tendencies / agenda, in fact they are ardent nationalists. Something that the NWO is dead against.

All 3 of the main political parties are Pro NWO / EU. Even UKIP now wants to stay in the EU.

I really think that just because someone is a freemason doesn't mean they are NWO or zionists. Thinking 'oh that persons bad because of BNP or FM' means you are a spineless bigot.

Are you a spineless bigot Rich?
I think not, but your comments are poor.

[grandsecretary]

1) Secrecy, transparency lack thereof.
2) There were others involved, that escaped prosecution.
3) Allegedly Masons &, or Governmental agencies, including police.
4) To avoid prosecution,liability embarrassment & or of Governmental agencies including the police.

No these are too general.

What EXACTLY is your beef?

Let us say that there is always a lack of transparency in government and this is why we have many problems in this country, but:

Others involved in what specifically in order to escape prosecution, liability etc?


Prosecution and liability for what? Not the shootings themselves I presume because that was obviously a one man job, apparently because he was refused licences to work with children.

[grandsecretary]

My Judgement

The Grand Secretary's response to this issue is further evidence of the correctness of my infallible 'ex officio' judgement on Masons in general; i.e., that the Masons are morally 'subhuman ('untermensche')' chaff who are entirely unworthy of life; they are 'persons of absolutely no moral worth whatsoever,' and are entirely unfit for human existence, and should be disposed of at the first available post-apocalyptic opportunity.

Lux

Communist, Nazi, makes no difference.

[decim]

No these are too general.

What EXACTLY is your beef?

Let us say that there is always a lack of transparency in government and this is why we have many problems in this country, but:

Others involved in what specifically in order to escape prosecution, liability etc?


Prosecution and liability for what? Not the shootings themselves I presume because that was obviously a one man job, apparently because he was refused licences to work with children.

Obfuscation.

[grandsecretary]

Obfuscation.

No it isn't I genuinely want to know. Who is avoiding what prosecution and for what?

[luciferhorus]

No it isn't I genuinely want to know. Who is avoiding what prosecution and for what?

The allegation by the former Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Scotland, Lord Burton can be summarised in his statement: "tried repeatedly to raise concerns about the inquiry during my time in the Lords, and I was bullied and threatened by powerful peers loyal to the Conservative Government of the day, who warned me of dire consequences if I continued to embarrass them." "

It has to do with allegations that there exists an elite child-sex ring and that this matter is being covered up, just as the issue of State terrorist, narco-terrorism is covered up despite the overwhelming evidence that the British and American governments, in collaboration with their police, military, judiciary and elite bankers are essentially involved at the highest levels of the narcotics trade and involved in financing international terrorism, black miltiary operations etc.

The judgement of many researchers, such as David Icke, into such matters is that the current economic, political, military and judicial establishment represents wholesale macro-evil; whereas you Grand Secretary appear to be here to defend this establishment, and to shield them from criticism; it is certainly my judgement that Masonry in general includes many members of the state terrorist establishment.

One can hardly expect the elite establishment to prosectue themselves.

Lord Burton said: "I was Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Scotland at the time and I'm aware that most of the conspiracy theories around Dunblane revolve around allegations of a Masonic conspiracy.

"I do have some difficulty with that, but I have learned of an apparent connection between prominent members of the legal establishment involved in the inquiry, and the secretive Speculative Society.

"The society was formed at Edinburgh University through Masonic connections so I accept that there might be a link by that route.......Current members of The Speculative Society include Lord Cullen and a number of other judges, sheriffs and advocates. Lord Burton has been trying for years to get to the bottom of the conspiracy theories, using his influence in the House of Lords until the reforms meant he was no longer entitled to sit in Westminster.

Last night he said: "I tried repeatedly to raise concerns about the inquiry during my time in the Lords, and I was bullied and threatened by powerful peers loyal to the Conservative Government of the day, who warned me of dire consequences if I continued to embarrass them."



The Speculative Society. It was formed in 1764 as an offshoot of the Masons

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Blair's Protection of Elite Paedophile Rings

Mike James

NATO boss and Blair government insider Lord Robertson has threatened to sue Scotland's leading independent newspaper over internet allegations that he not only used his influence as a Freemason to procure a gun licence for child killer Thomas Hamilton, but was also a member of a clandestine paedophile ring reportedly set up by Hamilton for the British elite.

On 13 March 1996, Hamilton, armed with four hand-guns, opened fire on a junior school class, killing 16 children and one teacher before turning the gun on himself, shattering forever the idyllic 13th century Scottish town of Dunblane.

The controversy is certain to topple the Blair government, which has already issued a D-Notice to gag the press from revealing the names of known paedophiles within the British executive, including at least two senior ministers; and the case highlights the government's antipathy toward the Sunday Herald and its brand of independent journalism that has, among other things, exposed the role played by the domestic security agency, MI5, in helping the IRA to carry out terrorist atrocities.

As reported by this journalist last month at Propaganda Matrix and Counter Punch, and by the Sunday Herald's Home Affairs Editor, Neil Mackay, the British intelligence services are actively engaged in preventing any further child sex revelations that could incite further hostility to an already unpopular Prime Minister and destroy the morale of troops set to invade Iraq. An intelligence officer told Mackay that "a 'rolling' Cabinet committee had been set up to work out how to deal with the potentially ruinous fall-out for both Tony Blair and the government if arrests occur."

Some commentators, mindful that one of Tony Blair's closest confidante's is a practising paedophile, are even suggesting that this particular scandal, and not Blair's repeated lies and fabricated reports in regard to Iraq, may well prove the downfall of a government mired in sleaze and corruption. The Sunday Times is reported to have obtained an FBI list of Labour MPs who have used credit cards to pay for internet child pornography, and Blair has responded by imposing a massive news blackout, failing however to stop the arrest of one of his most important aides, Phillip Lyon.

The latest allegations came to light following a campaign to lift the secrecy on the Dunblane massacre. Large sections of the police report were banned from the public domain under a 100-year secrecy order. Lord Cullen, an establishment insider, also omitted and censored references to the documents in his final report. Parents and teachers were advised to concentrate their efforts on a campaign to outlaw handguns instead of focusing on how the mentally unstable Freemason, already known by the police to be a paedophile, had obtained a firearms licence for six handguns. Hamilton allegedly enjoyed good relations with both local Labour luminary George Robertson and Michael Forsyth, the then Scottish Secretary of State and MP for Stirling. Forsyth congratulated and encouraged Hamilton for running a boy's club. Hamilton was also found to have exchanged letters with the British monarch, Queen Elizabeth.

The rumours and allegations concerning Lord Robertson's ties to Hamilton, and the possibility that the American intelligence services may be blackmailing Tony Blair into continued support for a U.S. invasion of Iraq, have been given fire by internet investigator and intelligence expert Michael Keaney:

"An additional, and potentially explosive, aspect of US leverage over Blair is the FBI's investigation of users of child porn websites which has already claimed a number of high profile scalps. [....] The biggest two fish that come to mind are indeed high profile: firstly there is George Robertson, who today has announced that he will step down as NATO Secretary General after four years and two months in the job. Were he to be fingered the fall out would be spectacular but short-lived -- he's been a long time out of the cabinet and is sufficiently distant from Tony to be regarded as not requiring the presentational finesse of a "rolling" Cabinet committee, whatever that might be. However, our second candidate is most certainly very closely identified with the prime minister, and retains a high profile [and] continues to operate at a very high level indeed, whether in Europe, Japan, or even the Middle East."

"Peter Mandelson began political life as a member of the Communist Party, soon "seeing the light" and instead getting involved with the CIA/MI6-financed Socialist International youth wing and the Labour Party, through which he rose in parallel with his experience working at London Weekend Television with other A-list regulars like John Birt and Michael Maclay, now public mouthpiece of Hakluyt, the private sector spook outfit run by a bunch of "ex" MI6 types including the widow of ex-Labour leader John Smith. This sort of background and connections makes Mandelson very useful in the sort of corridors-and-alleyways diplomacy and networking that is the real substance of international relations and intelligence gathering. [....] If Mandelson is indeed the suspect, then the damage this could cause may fatally wound Blair."

"An interesting development that may, or may not, be related to this, is the publication of an article in last Sunday's Observer by David Aaronovitch. He and Mandelson are longtime friends, having been together in the Communist Party and at London Weekend TV. Aaronovitch was, until recently, a leading political commentator for the Independent, on whose "international advisory board" (the standard vanity collection of august persons put together for the ego of newspaper proprietors like Tony O'Reilly and Conrad Black) sits Peter Mandelson."

"Since switching to the Guardian Media Group at the beginning of this year or thereabouts, Aaronovitch authored an article on child abuse in which he pleads for common sense to prevail, rather than the lynch mob: 'Strangely I trust the police to act sensibly (because, like the analysts, they’ve seen it all): it's the rest of us I worry about.'"

"That much depends upon the behaviour of the US Justice Department, which ultimately has responsibility for the investigation, must be a worry for Blair. One need only imagine how this must colour the views of John Ashcroft regarding the moral fibre of British cabinet ministers and the laxity of the prime minister who chose them in the first place. How easy would it be for the suspect to be named in a story that miraculously surfaced outside of the UK (thereby circumventing the D Notice and leading potentially to a re-run of the Spycatcher fiasco of 1987)?

"Whoever is on the suspects' list, we can see that already this 'rolling' cabinet committee is busy leaking stories that serve at least to delay the shock of the inevitable, eventual revelation, buying valuable time if nothing else. Thus you can depend on the Guardian to save the day for Tony, and here's some helpful tip-offs courtesy of MI6 that help to distract from what's really going on, whilst bolstering the reputation for integrity and financial propriety that has marked Blair's dealings with businesspeople like Bernie Ecclestone, Richard Desmond, Lakshmi Mittal, etc."

"I have come to the considered conclusion," says a correspondent of Keaney, William Palfreman, "that the events surrounding the Dunblane massacre, and the subsequent submissions to the Cullen enquiry that have been put under to 100 years of secrecy, far out weigh in political significance issues such as our opposition to the EU [and] what it entails. It is inconceivable that T Blair, Jack Straw [and] Gordon Brown can survive in office as this matter becomes known. It totally undermines the Labour government, and could easily be a case of the Queen feeling she has to use reserve powers to call an emergency general election, such would be the loss of confidence."

"This scandal is far more important that anything that has happened here in living memory, in fact I can think of no parallel for it. It certainly pisses all over anything that happened to Kennedy or was done by Nixon. I am surprised, given the gravity of this matter, that [an] attempt has yet to be made on his life, for surely we are dealing with desperate people here. It also explains a few strange things, such as just why T Blair & co. were so keen to ban all handguns, and why such obviously talentless nobodies like George Robertson have risen from being backbench nobodies a couple of years ago to Defence Secretary, and now Secretary-General of Nato."

"[....] Now where in this is there a national security risk so great, that documents part of the public enquiry are now state secrets to be held for 100 years? Funny kind of public enquiry. Why, when Thomas Hamilton's application for a gun licence was turned down, due to him being regarded as a man of unsound character [and] him being the object of several paedophilia investigations, did his MP, our friend George Robertson (now Lord Robertson, Secretary-General of NATO), write him a glowing character reference, and personally see to it that his application was successful, when he knew the grounds for the original refusal were because he was suspected of procuring boys for sexual services?"

"Or take a certain boat seized on Loch Ness [Loch Lomond] by the Strathclyde Police. It is a very rare thing for assets to be seized in the UK, as [there] are no asset-forfeiture laws. When it does happen, there is normally a trial at least, with things only being seized if they are proven to be bought with money proven to be consequence of a proven crime. Even then, they are sold by public auction. How come, then, was this very valuable boat sold for the tiny sum of £5000, without an auction, to none other than our friend Thomas Hamilton, a man of no financial means whatsoever, nor a sailor, nor lived anywhere near any open water. Why did not the boats owners complain about having their property stolen from them in this manner? I can only conclude because it was being used for some very serious criminal activity, and those on board were merely glad to escape prosecution. Also, it seems rather odd in such circumstances that not only were the owners happy to avoid prosecution enough to lose a valuable boat, but that the Strathclyde Police were not willing to prosecute. And yet, after these improbable events, it wound up in none other than our friend Hamilton's hands. Could he have been a blackmailer as well as a paedophile?"

"But the main thing is what might explain sections of the public enquiry are now under the hundred year rule. There are only three levels of secrecy in the UK for state secrets, the 30 year rule, the 80 year rule and the 100 year rule. Normal secrets, like Cabinet discussions, government papers, espionage, all that, are under the 30 year rule. Only a very small number of things ever reached the 80 year rule, particularly events in the Sudan with Kitchener in 1902, where it seems that an act of genocide was committed, and some things that happened 1914-18, as well as things like potential peace negotiations in 1941, and just about everything to do with the IRA (after all, people are still alive after 30 years) come under the 80 year rule. Of them, the darkest of state secrets, when the events of '02 were getting a bit close to their limit for comfort, a further class of secrets was created to last a hundred years, and tiny number of things were put in it - e.g. Kitchener in '02, some World War I things."

But none of these things can be said to apply to Dunblane. That was a case of a common criminal [and] sexual pervert committing some fairly ordinary murders, of a kind that happen from time to time. Even if a backbench Labour MP was implicated, or may have been involved in a large paedophile ring in Scotland, that is not a matter of vital national importance. You have a prosecution, there is a bit of a scandal, everyone is disgusted and one MP goes to prison. Big deal: such things happen. You certainly would not make such information a state secret just to save one unnamed backbench nobody's miserable neck. Governments simply don't go to such extreme lengths to save nobodies - power broking just doesn't work like that. There must be issues of profound national importance working here, and I put it to you that anything that involves certain events in Scotland is more likely to be someone of cabinet level than anything else.

If the physiologically flawed [although Thomas Hamilton was these were the words of Tony Blair when speaking of Gordon Brown] Thomas Hamilton was the centre of a paedophile ring in Scotland that procured boys to people of the amongst the highest rank, and Tony Blair [and] Jack Straw covered this up by the Official Secrets Act (They would do the covering, as both the Prime Minister's [and] Home Secretary's permission is needed to put some something under the 100 year rule.) it is hard to see how they or their close colleges could possibly remain in office, even if they were never inclined to such flawed behaviour themselves. The government would fall."

That prospect seems to be energising a government now considered to be fighting for its political life, even to the extent of killing the review process by which some of the banned sections of the Cullen Report would be made public, arguing that freedom of information would somehow harm other abused children in Dunblane.

In a recent interview with the Guardian newspaper, Michael Matheson, the Scottish National Party's shadow deputy justice minister, said: "There are more documents covered by the 100-year rule than this police report. Some of them have nothing whatsoever to do with children. We need to look at why such a lengthy ban has been imposed on them. I have been contacted by a number of families affected by the tragedy who are anxious to ensure this information becomes public. And so far we have no guarantee that it will. We only have a review."

"It is important we make available, if it is at all possible, any information that is available about people in the public eye," said the Scottish first minister, Jack McConnell.

When Tony Blair took office following a landslide victory in 1997, few commentators would have suggested that this man would be willing to drag his country into a war of unjustified aggression against a people that have done no harm to the British public. Nor would anyone have surmised that a Labour government would hitch its political fortunes to a shabby cabal of fanatical neoconservative Zionists working to make real their much-touted biblical Armageddon. And no one could have predicted that Blair's nominally "Christian" administration would transform itself into a licentious club of flamboyant homosexual cruisers and out-of-control paedophiles.

But it is now becoming shockingly clear that the slavish adherence of Tony Blair and Jack Straw to the Bush line on Iraq may have less to do with principled arguments, and much more to do with the fear of CIA and FBI revelations that would make them two of the most hated politicians in modern British political history.


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[grandsecretary]

Oh I see. There is an allegation that there has been a cover up of a paedophile ring in some way connected to the Dunblane massacre, and it involves Tony Blair.

Well let's see what comes out in the future. I doubt it personally. He is not a pleasant character in my view, but I would not believe it without some solid proof.

If you are sure, then why not accuse him publicly and then defend it in a court of law, or better still get David Icke to do so? He is bound to react isn't he? Force the issue into the public domain and nail him bang to rights.

What is the date of that article by Mike James? Who is he? Have there been the predicted arrests bringing the Labour Government down? I seem to have missed it. Can't wait for a General Election as it happens. The sooner the better.

[grandsecretary]

As you were. Found him. He seems to have enough resources to take Blair to court. He would if he had evidence and felt strongly about it. He probably hasn't and doesn't.

Complain to him, not me. He started it. Let him finish it.

[luciferhorus]

As you were. Found him. He seems to have enough resources to take Blair to court. He would if he had evidence and felt strongly about it. He probably hasn't and doesn't.

Complain to him, not me. He started it. Let him finish it.

The British legal system is not condusive to private prosecutions; one is generally denied the right to self advocacy and must rely on Barristers (who are part of the corrupt legal establishment), who demand thousands of pounds per day in court.

The evidence of both Anglo-American state narco-terrorism and their protection of secret societies and elite paedophile gangs is overwhelming and fills the Internet; it is further not the agenda of Communist Revolution to prosecute such individuals in the courts of Capitalism, but rather to totally destroy and eradicate the Capitalist system from the face of the earth, which is to say the eradication of the entire corrupt system, the police, military, aristocracy, government, organised religion etc.

In a world of radical evil, only the radical eradication of evil will suffice.

I must point out further that defending state terrorist collaborators (Crown collaborators in the UK) constitutes the highest blasphemy and heresy and is a violation of my infallible 'ex officio' Dictatus papae Lucis' edicts for which the penalty is death and hell.

No '144 Virgins in the Gardens of Eternal Paradise' for you it seems Grand Secretary.

Lucifer



Dictatus papae Lucis.



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For those of you unfamiliar with my infallible 'ex officio' summa of all Law in Eden; the following 7 tenets sum up the Law and have been on the front page of my Internet Site for a number of years.

I must point out that violation of any of the 7 laws are Capital (executionable) offences.

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The laws against the practice of the twin evils of Religion and Government.


The Seven Tenets of the Seventh and Final Revolution of Lucifer.


I: No Idolatry.

You shall not commit idolatry. You shall not worship any person, living or dead (i.e., the gods), nor shall you bow down in worship before any image; i.e. a photograph or any form of 'likeness' of a person or a 'beast' or a god or a demon or any inanimate object or any thing or person or symbol that 'represents' God or a god or an ancestor.

II: No Monarchs. No Archons.

You shall not bow your head to any monarch or archon; i.e., a nationalist head of state or 'president' or ‘governor’ or ‘leader;’ nor shall you suffer a monarch or the monarch's collaborators and mercenaries or ‘especially’ the monarch’s children to live; likewise with all political Archons, irrespective of title.

III: No Masters

You shall not refer to a person as 'worshipful' or 'master,' or 'father' or 'priest' or 'reverend' or 'revered' or 'teacher (rabbi)' or 'leader;' we are brothers and sisters.

IV: No Monetarism. No economic nor sexual slavery.

You shall not issue Capitalist coin, nor labour vouchers, nor any form of tokens or receipts of exchange; nor shall you barter nor trade nor 'exchange' but rather freely share of the products of your labour, nor shall you enslave another in servitude.

V: No Temples

You shall not construct a Temple, Church, Mosque, Synagogue, Pestle or any place of religious worship, nor shall you allow any previously built to remain standing.

VI: No Oath-Swearing. No Rituals. No Organised Religion.

You shall not swear oaths. You shall not perform any form of public religious ritual. You shall not pray in public, as the hypocrites and the Christian idolaters do; nor shall you even so much as suffer such vermin to live.

VII: Summa: No private property, no religion, no government

You shall not propagate any form of religion, private propertyism or governmentalism. You shall not suffer a propagator of private propertyism, governmentalism or religion to live, 'especially' a Christian cultist or a Masonic cultist or a Hindu cultist, for the idolaters are not to survive the Final Judgement


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Great King of Terror 2009

[grandsecretary]

The British legal system is not condusive to private prosecutions; one is generally denied the right to self advocacy and must rely on Barristers (who are part of the corrupt legal establishment), who demand thousands of pounds per day in court.

The evidence of both Anglo-American state narco-terrorism and their protection of secret societies and elite paedophile gangs is overwhelming and fills the Internet; it is further not the agenda of Communist Revolution to prosecute such individuals in the courts of Capitalism, but rather to totally destroy and eradicate the Capitalist system from the face of the earth, which is to say the eradication of the entire corrupt system, the police, military, aristocracy, government, organised religion etc.

In a world of radical evil, only the radical eradication of evil will suffice.

I must point out further that defending state terrorist collaborators (Crown collaborators in the UK) constitutes the highest blasphemy and heresy and is a violation of my infallible 'ex officio' Dictatus papae Lucis' edicts for which the penalty is death and hell.

No '144 Virgins in the Gardens of Eternal Paradise' for you it seems Grand Secretary.

Lucifer

I've got a headache anyway. I prefer a nice plate of fish and chips with a decent glass of red wine, and it tastes pretty good.

[luciferhorus]

I've got a headache anyway.

I've got a headache will not be acceptable as an excuse in my father's (the Devil's) eternal kingdom; I will put in a special request that he sets aside a special mistress for you.

[watson_k]

The British legal system is not condusive to private prosecutions; one is generally denied the right to self advocacy and must rely on Barristers (who are part of the corrupt legal establishment), who demand thousands of pounds per day in court.

The evidence of both Anglo-American state narco-terrorism and their protection of secret societies and elite paedophile gangs is overwhelming and fills the Internet; it is further not the agenda of Communist Revolution to prosecute such individuals in the courts of Capitalism, but rather to totally destroy and eradicate the Capitalist system from the face of the earth, which is to say the eradication of the entire corrupt system, the police, military, aristocracy, government, organised religion etc.

In a world of radical evil, only the radical eradication of evil will suffice.

I must point out further that defending state terrorist collaborators (Crown collaborators in the UK) constitutes the highest blasphemy and heresy and is a violation of my infallible 'ex officio' Dictatus papae Lucis' edicts for which the penalty is death and hell.

No '144 Virgins in the Gardens of Eternal Paradise' for you it seems Grand Secretary.

Lucifer

Is that the common view of Anarchists? - That we live in a world of Radical Evil? And that only the eradication of evil in the view of the anarchist will be the solution to humanities current problems?

[luciferhorus]

HA HA :D

I can just imagine GS under there.

As much as we may joke about such matters; the existence of the afterlife (the ancestral realms) is quite real and the penalties for Capitalist state terrorist collaboration are quite real.

Heaven and Hell

We on earth generally associate 'women and children' with 'motherhood,' love, innocence; whereas 'evil' is predominately a 'male' phenomenon; just as we find that the vast majority of those in prison are 'males;' the idea of Heaven as a maternalistic realm of 'innocents' is perhaps the basis for the Islamic idea that heaven is full of 'females;' this begs the question of where the 'males' who have been evil in their life on earth are confined.

Hell according to my own shamanic experiences and beliefs is a predominately male realm; much like a giant prison, and is ruled by male ancestors, much like a prison where the prison guards are more evil than the enslaved prisioners, whereas heaven is a predominately female realm as has a 'Queen.'

Frankly Grand Master will more likely have 72 males to torture and abuse him, than 72 virgins.

What we bind on earth, we bind in heaven; our enemies and allies on earth shall become our eternal enemies and allies.

Goodness resists and rebels against evil; evil submits to evil; and the latter defines Masonry, whereas the former defines David Icke and many of the debaters on this forum; there is simply no 'salvation' in religious belief; some of the most evil people in history have been 'believers' in their allegedly 'one true faith.'

Goodness seeks to expose evil, bring judgement upon evil and ultimately eradicate evil; this is entirely anti-thetical to Masonry which seeks to mould a submissive Capitalist, state terrorist collaborating slave and then defines such a devil as a 'good' mason; even their language is entirely that of Orwellian Newspeak; good, by antiCapitalsit definition becomes defined as evil and evil as good.

Further in this world the armchair warriors of world capitalist revolution are protected from thier enemies and victims in far off lands by the police state; not so in eternity.

The penalties for submission to evil shall be terrible and dreadful.

[i_am]

Okay people, keep it nice please.

No more of those pics, OK ?

[luciferhorus]

Is that the common view of Anarchists? - That we live in a world of Radical Evil? And that only the eradication of evil in the view of the anarchist will be the solution to humanities current problems?

Generally to summarise the Anarchist view, political, religious and economic evil can be summed up in the 3 Pillars of 1: Government, 2: Organised Religion, and 3: Capitalism / private property-ism.

The purpose of revolution and indeed the 'Great Work of the Ages' is to eradicate these three pillars and those who defend them.

Lux

[grandsecretary]

Generally to summarise the Anarchist view, political, religious and economic evil can be summed up in the 3 Pillars of 1: Government, 2: Organised Religion, and 3: Capitalism / private property-ism.

The purpose of revolution and indeed the 'Great Work of the Ages' is to eradicate these three pillars and those who defend them.

Lux

And replace them with what?

[watson_k]

Generally to summarise the Anarchist view, political, religious and economic evil can be summed up in the 3 Pillars of 1: Government, 2: Organised Religion, and 3: Capitalism / private property-ism.

The purpose of revolution and indeed the 'Great Work of the Ages' is to eradicate these three pillars and those who defend them.

Lux

Sorry but that is not true. Seeing as Evil is in the eye of the beholder, take for instance a rain storm... To the Materialist getting their new clothes and silly trinkets wet and ruined is a disaster, yet to the people that live in a desert area, it is attributed to the divine.

Government. Organised Religion. Capitalism. Whatever are made-up ideas of people. What is essentially an idea unless given backing by people willing to enforce the idea cannot be good or evil, until it is enforced.

Government, in the hands of moral and intelligent men, leading the people to a common purpose, say... The betterment of everyone within their Society can in no way be detrimental to the evolution of Man. Evolution of the human to a higher and proper ground of thinking and action is personally I feel, 'The Great Work of the Ages'.

[luciferhorus]

Sorry but that is not true. Seeing as Evil is in the eye of the beholder, take for instance a rain storm... To the Materialist getting their new clothes and silly trinkets wet and ruined is a disaster, yet to the people that live in a desert area, it is attributed to the divine.

Government. Organised Religion. Capitalism. Whatever are made-up ideas of people. What is essentially an idea unless given backing by people willing to enforce the idea cannot be good or evil, until it is enforced.

Government, in the hands of moral and intelligent men, leading the people to a common purpose, say... The betterment of everyone within their Society can in no way be detrimental to the evolution of Man.


I think that rather than going over this issue all over again, I should simply refer you to my essay What is Anarchism? below; there are further numerous other Anarchist FAQ's circulating the Internet.

“We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun…………. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy”-- Mao Tse-tung
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What is Anarchism? On Capital, Property Will and Law. What is to be done?

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Light of the World.

The 1000 Year Agricultural and Scientific Revolution; the Revolution of Light
The Final Revolutionary War of Economic Salvation.

For a world without money, government or nations.
For Apocalyptic Guerrilla War against Christendom (i.e., Capitalism).
No mercy on they who deserve none.

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Gr. Anarchos. "without archons (rulers) and without arche (government)"


Firstly to simplify, Anarchist Communism is merely 'moneyless stateless collectivism (kibbutzim)' and it is as simple as that. No further defintion is required for those who understand this; however as Anarchism as a political philosophy is generally misunderstood, I will unpack and explain this further.

Primitivism and Syndicalism.

There are the primitivists who emphasise agricultural revolution and the non miracle of the feeding of the 6 billion and then there are the syndicalists who seek technological revolution also. The Israeli Communists (kibbutzists) for example are syndicalists since some kibbutzes manufacture arms and others manufacture food. I share the view of primitivists that agricultural revolution is a priority, however tractors, labour saving machines, computers, medical technology and other products of scientific revolution represent progress and would form part of a future Communist paradise; they are not merely products of Capitalism but of a new scientific and technological humanity; this however would require syndicalism and the division of labour into ‘specialist’ non agricultural fields.

Other types of Anarchists:

Anarcho-Capitalists and 'Libertarians'.

Well obviously Anarcho-Capitalists are not Anti-monetarists (Capital - money) and thus not traditional Anarchists; simply put they are pure Capitalists (monetarists) who don't want any state interfering with private Capitalism; which is pretty close to a definition of neo-conservatism. There would be private police and armies to protect the rich etc. All members of organised crime syndicates (i.e. the mafia) are by default Anarcho-Capitalists whether they define themselves as such or not; after all they want to be free to enslave, bully and oppress others without government interference. Russia today is pretty close to Anarcho-Capitalist (i.e., ruled by the mafia). Anarcho-Capitalism is essentially 'organised crime,' where the criminals don't have to bribe the government or the police since there would be no government and the police would be their employees.

Libertarianism is slightly different, however the consequences would be similar.



Anarcho-capitalism, in my opinion, is a doctrinal system which, if ever
implemented, would lead to forms of tyranny and oppression that have few
counterparts in human history. There isn't the slightest possibility that
its (in my view, horrendous) ideas would be implemented, because they would
quickly destroy any society that made this colossal error. The idea of "free
contract" between the potentate and his starving subject is a sick joke,
perhaps worth some moments in an academic seminar exploring the consequences
of (in my view, absurd) ideas, but nowhere else.

I should add, however, that I find myself in substantial agreement with
people who consider themselves anarcho-capitalists on a whole range of
issues; and for some years, was able to write only in their journals. And I
also admire their commitment to rationality -- which is rare -- though I do
not think they see the consequences of the doctrines they espouse, or their
profound moral failings.
….Noam Chomsky

Punk rockers.

They are mostly just music fans who despise all authority and are not all political Anarchists, however since some punk rockers such as the Sex Pistols defined themselves as Anarchists, in the mind of many, Anarchism is thus associated with them, however few of them in practice advocate Communist collectivism.

Marxists.

Marx who was converted to Communism by the Anarchist Proudhon, held that the Capitalist state must be replaced with a worker's state which would 'wither away' eventually into Anarchist, stateless,moneyless collectivism. Marx was not a total anti-Capitalist (anti-monetarist) since he did suggest replacing money with labour vouchers as a form of temporary rationing, which is still a form of money, however most Marxists do not seem to favour this.

Trotskyists / Leninists

They do not seem to believe that 'state' must wither away eventually, since they are neo-Marxists rather than fundamentalist Marxists, but they are not anti-Capitalists (anti-monetarists) but state capitalists who believe in the nationalisation of banking, as it is Cuba and North Korea today where there is still a money system.

Chomskyism

Chomsky defines himself as an Anarchist, but but when asked what type of system will replace Capitalism he tends to give confusing or vague answers to the effect of 'well we shall have to wait and see,' so strictly speaking he does not openly propose Anarchist Communism (stateless collectivism) and indeed often criticises Communism. Chomskyism is thus a rather vague and confused form of Anarchism and not traditional Anarchism.

National Anarchists

See for example http://www.folkandfaith.com National Anarchists are political Anarchists and do not believe in nation states but they describe themselves as ‘racial separatists’ and are essentially white supremacists and racists. Fortunately they represent only a tiny minority among the Anarchist movement, since the vast majority of Anarchists are also anti-racists.

Anarchists who believe in Anarchist government.

This is a relatively new phenomenon and not really a political movement; indeed I don’t know of any serious writings by a non statist statist, but I have come across such individuals in Internet debates. These are of course non-Anarchists and indeed the most confused kind among all the above groups who claim to be some sort of Anarchist. They are much like the Christians who propagate Capitalism in the name of Jesus (an anti-monetarist, anti-propertyist, anti-religionist, proto-Anarchist Communist) or the Trotskyists who claim to be anti-monetarists (anti-Capitalists) when in fact they are monetarists albeit state monetarists. Since the term Anarchist is defined in the political sense as the absence of government and Archon (rulers / tyrants), one cannot have a non-government government anymore than one can have an anti-Communist Communist, but this argument seems to mean very little to ‘pro-statist anti-statists (????)’ whatever that means.

Anarchist Christians.

Anarchist Christians tend to view Jesus as an anti-propertyist and an anti-monetarist. Since they are essentially anti-Capitalists, they tend to be viewed by Capitalist Christians as heretics who reject the Capitalist interpretation of Christianity , and by many Anarchists as genuine political Anarchists, though some Anarchists consider ‘god’ to be an ultimate ‘Archon (tyrant). Christian Anarchists reject organised religion, but are theists. Anarchist Communism is a purely political solution and unlike Marxism has no rigid dogmatic metaphysics so it appeals to non-religious Pagans, New Age spiritualists, agnostics ‘and’ atheists alike, however ‘organised religion’ or the rule of the priesthood (who are Archons / authority figures) has no place whatsoever in an Anarchist world.

Governments ‘withering away’

States (tyrannies) do not wither away; they have to be brought down by armed violent revolution.

Thelemites.

Thelemites disregard all laws of state and religion and pursue their own sacrd and natural will, without interfering with the will of others (unless they militantly resist thelemic revoution and in this case Crowley held that cuh heretics should be rightfully executed). While this is certainly Anarchist with regards to the rejection of all written laws, not all are Anarcho-Communists (collectivists), in fact very ferw are; indeed Crowley who was an anti-Communist foresaw a future world ‘ruled’ by a group of ‘spiritual masters,’ which pretty much describes the current world with it’s numerous organised religions which generally defend Capitalism. Never the less almost all Anarchists apart from religious Anarchists are Thelemites whether they define themselves as such or not, since they reject all the laws of the police states and religions and believe that humanity should be free to follow their own natural and therfore sacred intuition.

Anarchist political parties and infiltration by the State Terrorists.

Such organisations are easily infiltrated by the state terrorists, as has been the case for example with the Anarchist ‘Class War’ in the UK. Anarchism is a political philosophy not a ‘political party.’ I know many Anarchists in London and on the Internet but I don’t know anyone personally who belongs to a political party. For example the UK Anarchist Federation is a political cult with 66 members in the UK on the last (and only) time I attended a meeting and yet there are probably 10’s of thousands of Anarchists in London alone. The fact that the Anarchist Federation considers state terrorist black operations such as 911 and 7/7 to be ‘conspiracy theories’ and seems to go along with the government propaganda is entirely suspect.

I speak from a European perspective, and most anti-Capitalists in Europe among the young generation (I am 50) appear to be Anarchists who have rejected Marxist statism and materialistic dogmatism. If you are in London for a week you will find numerous Anarchist events, squat parties etc, but among the Marxists, you will have to look very hard for them. Take a look at myspace for example, there are more Anarchist groups than there are Marxist groups and there are more groups who are anti-Capitalist in general than there are groups who propagate Capitalism.

The World Socialist Movement

In London if one hangs out at Speakers Corner or attends anti-Capitalist rallies it is hard not to bump into the World Socialist Movement http://www.worldsocialism.org/ whom I would describe as 'puritanical Marxists and anti-Leninist Communists' who consider themselves to be Anarchists and consider Marx to have been ultimately an Anarchist (anti-statist), however this all hangs on Marx's 'the state shall wither away' position. I have been excommunicated from their Internet debating forum years ago, so it clear that they don't agree with my politics, nor me with theirs, however since I understand the arguments made by Marxist puritans, let me say this.

Marxist Labour vouchers vs. Anarchist Communist 'rationing.'

Marx claimed 'ultimately (in the end)' that he was a non-monetarist, as are all Anarchist Communists. The WSM rightfully defines all forms of 'State Capitalism (where the state takes over the issue of money) as Leninism and as anti-Marxism. Marx's position was that in the early stages of revolution, the people would starve (and probably revolt against the new proletarian dictatorship) unless 'labour vouchers' were introduced to replace money.

For example if the dictators (the economic masters) work 40 hours they would receive 40 labour vouchers and ditto for factory workers (the economic slaves). However this was merely meant to be temporary and transitionary since Marx was ultimately a non-monetarist. Of course in the Soviet Union the alleged proletarian dictatorship simply took over banking, avoided the introduction of 'labour vouchers' became corrupt and tyrannical and eventually some had more money than others (including dollar shops in Moscow), and you had to bribe an 'official' if you wanted a flat or a telephone etc. I really don't see how 'labour vouchers' would stop corruption any more than state Capitalism, since labour vouchers are still a form of money. Obviously in the early stages of revolution, some form of rationing would be necessary, leading to possible corruption among the rationers and their possible transition into a new police state which would have to be resisted.

Rationing in Capitalism through the use of 'money.'

In Capitalism of course the private Usuryists (loan sharks) are the 'rationers,' and this has led to a situation where something like 0.01% or less of the population are the rationers and the majority of the world starves and suffers extreme poverty, so this is 'extreme' corruption. We in the First World are mostly the beneficiaries of this system so we suffer less economically.


Marxist Statism. 'The state will wither away'

The 'contradiction:' if on one hand the police states of the armed violent monetarists (Capital=money or property that has a Capitalist value) can 'only' be overthrown by armed violent anti-monetarists, why then is it that it will not be necessary to overthrow the dictatorship of armed violent so called anti-monetarists? Realistically can you imagine Kim Jong Il's police state just 'withering away' into independent collectives? The Soviet Union did not 'wither away' into independent collectives, but into hardcore Capitalism and the rule of the bankers, pims and the mafia; Gorbachev is now a multi-millionaire (he was bribed); the state withered away into an elite of corrupt billionaires leaving the male proletariat often destitute and unemployed, and the women often fleeing economic hardship into a life a sex slavery in the brothels of Western Europe.

No, the state will not wither away. States will have to be eradicated.

Statists (tyrants) will have to be fought by armed violent revolutionaries, however in the age of nuclear guerrilla weapons where there exists a universal knowledge of practical physics, the anti-Statists should in the end always have the upper hand. The problem is not merely monetarism but statism (tyranny). There have been after all, non-monetarist systems which were simply 'slave societies' with a monarch, and though Marx ultimately believed in total non-monetarism, he had an unrealistic faith in the power of ‘temporal’ tyranny.

Materialism and non-spiritualism.

Dialectical Materialism is a 19th century pre-Einsteinian, pre-quantum physics position. Materialism in the philosophical sense is also a position of faith. Mass can be converted to Energy and Light, and it is by no means a fact that the ‘stuff’of the universe is mass (matter). Marxists insist on atheism, apart from some Liberation Theologians (Christian Communists) who accept Marxist economics and reject his atheism.

Marx's essential Communist beliefs (armed violent revolution and 'eventually' anti-monetarism and 'eventually' anti-statism) which all Anarchist Communists may sympathise with, Marx plagiarised from the Anarchist Communists anyway. Away with Marx; most young anti-Capitalists in Europe are now anti-Marxist Anarchists anyway; it is growing trend.

Ultimately in the aftermath of the inevitable forthcoming nuclear war, the Marxists, the Anarchists and even the Muslims may form ‘ad hoc’ alliances against the police / military / statists but in the end they are destined to clash.

The Anarchist Communist Kropotkin's three categories of Laws.

1: Laws to protect the government.

The definition of an Anarchist region is one where there would be no statists, thus there would be no need for laws to protect the tyrants and their mercenaries (their police state, military, tax collectors and assorted bureaucracy / useless eaters etc.).

2: Laws to protect private property.

Similarly with propertyism, one cannot be a propertyist unless one is militant and have mercenaries (police) to protect one's property. Since the masses will always in their hearts seek to disempower those who enslave them for the purposes of exploiting their labour, leaving the labour slaves impoverished at the expense of a few, and since private propertyism is a militant ideology, the propertyists would have to be eliminated, thus there would be no need to have laws to protect them.

3: Laws to protect the individual from harm (Natural Law).

This is simply common sense. There is no need to create written laws to this extent. This is as it would have been in the mythical Garden of Eden. For example in a world without religious, private property and statist laws, a mother will still demand ‘do not harm my children, do not enslave them, do not starve them, etc., etc., these are of course not the written laws of a police state, but never the less most mothers, unindoctrinated by religion and police statism would probably agree with them.

What is Authority (tyranny)?

The Anarchist (against the Archons / authority figures) Kropotkin once stated that he would never challenge the ‘authority’ of an engineer, since was not an engineer; he did not have that type of expertise and would rather leave bridge building and construction to the trained experts; an engineer is an expert in a certain type of science, not an Archon (tyrant) who claims to be an expert in enslaving people and ruling over them or an expert in God or religious morality

4: Sexual Laws

In addition to Kropotkin’s 3 types of law, we also have to consider the eradication of the millions of religious laws (I will not elaborate), and especially sexual laws; these are simply laws which produce an effective and miserable slave




Sex is the most powerful instinct in man. The politician and the priest have understood from the very beginning that sex is the most driving energy in man. It has to be curtailed, it has to be cut. If man is allowed total Freedom in sex, then there will be no possibility to dominate him. To make a slave out of him will be impossible.

Have you not seen it being done? When you want a bull to be yoked to a cart, what do you do? You castrate him, you destroy his sex energy. And have you seen the difference between a bull and an ox? What a difference! An ox is a poor phenomenon, a slave. A bull is a beauty; a bull is a glorious pheonomenon, a great splendor. See a bull walking, how he walks like an emperor! And see an ox pulling a cart.

The same has been done to man. The sex instinct has been curtailed, cut, crippled. Man does not exist as the bull now, he exists like the ox, and each man is pulling a thousand and one carts. Look and you will find behind you a thousand and one carts, and you are yoked to them.

Why can’t you yoke a bull? The bull is too powerful. If he sees a cow passing by, he will throw both you and the cart, and he will move to the cow! He will not bother a bit about who you are, and he will not listen. It will be impossible to control the bull. Sex energy is life energy; it is uncontrollable. And the politician and the priest are not interested in you, they are interested in channeling your energy into other directions. So there is a certain Mechanism behind it--it has to be understood.

Sex repression, tabooing sex, is the very foundation of human slavery. Man cannot be free unless sex is free. Man cannot be really free unless his sex energy is allowed natural growth.

These are the five tricks through which man has been turned into a slave, into an ugly phenomenon, a cripple.

The first is:
Keep man as weak as possible if you want to dominate him. If the priest wants to dominate you or the politician wants to dominate you, you have to be kept as weak as possible. And the best way to keep a man weak is not to give love total freedom. Love is nourishment..."

"...Second:
Keep man as ignorant and deluded as possible so that he can easily be deceived..."

"...The third secret:
Keep man as frightened as possible. And the sure way is not to allow him love, because love destroys fear--’love casteth out fear.’ When you are not in love you become more interested in security, in safety. When you are in love you are more interested in adventure, in exploration...."

"...The Fourth:
Keep man as miserable as possible--because a miserable man is confused, a miserable man has no self-worth, a miserable man is self-condemnatory, a miserable man feels that he must have done something wrong. A miserable man has no grounding--you can push him from here and there, he can be turned into driftwood very easily. And a miserable man is always ready to be commanded, to be ordered, to be disciplined, because he knows ’On my own I am simply miserable. Maybe someody else can discipline my life.’ He is a ready victim."

"And the fifth:
Keep men as alienated from each other as possible, so that they cannot band together for some purpose of which the priest and the politician may not approve. Keep people separate from each other. Don’t allow them too much intimacy. When people are separate, lonely, alienated from each other, they cannot band together. And there are a thousand and one tricks to keep them apart.

For example, if you are holding the hand of a man--you are a man and you are holding the hand of a man and walking down the road, singing--you will feel guilty because people will start looking at you. Are you gay, homosexual or something? Two men are not allowed to be happy together. They are condemned as homosexuals. Fear arises. If your friend comes and takes your hand in his hand, you look around: ’Is somebody looking or not?’ And you are just in a hurry to drop the hand..." Osho


Lucifer
Fire plague and poisoned waters

www.myspace.com/luciferhorus



Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."
—AL. I. 40.
"thou hast no right but to do thy will. Do that, and no
other shall say nay." —AL. I. 42–3.
"Every man and every woman is a star." —AL. I. 3.
There is no god but man.
..>..>
..> 1. Man has the right to live by his own law—to live in the way that he wills to do:to work as he will:to play as he will:to rest as he will:to die when and how he will.
2. Man has the right to eat what he will:to drink what he will:to dwell where he will:to move as he will on the face of the earth.
3. Man has the right to think what he will:to speak what he will:to write what he will:to draw, paint, carve, etch, mould, build as he will:to dress as he will.
4. Man has the right to love as he will:—"take your fill and will of love as ye will,when, where, and with whom ye will." —AL. I. 51.
5. Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights...>

"Love is the law, love under will." —AL. I. 57

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'The revolution will have to be (Anarchist) Communist or it will be drowned in blood and will have to begin all over again'


'Either the State forever, crushing individual and local life, taking over in all fields of human activity, bringing with it its wars and its domestic struggles for power, its palace revolutions which only replace one tyrant with another.....Or the destruction of all states and new life starting again in thousands of centres on the principle that the lively initiative of the individual and groups of that Free Arrangement The choice lies with you'.Kropotkin, 'Conquest of Bread'

On the Pan-German banner is written: Retention and strengthening of the State at any cost. On our banner, the social-revolutionary banner, on the contrary, are inscribed, in fiery and bloody letters: the destruction of all States, the annihilation of bourgeois civilization, free and spontaneous organization from below upward, by means of free associations, the organization of the unbridled rabble of toilers, of all emancipated humanity, and the creation of a new universally human world....Bakunin

ZEITGEIST 2:ADDENDUM The Money System

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=7065205277695921912&hl=en&fs=true


Addendum

Alternatives to Capitalism.


1: Labour Theory of Value.

There are fundamentalist Marxists who wish to see an allegedly temporary government introduce a form of rationing termed ’labour vouchers.’ Marx equated labour hours with value and went to great lengths calculating how much labour would go into a particular machine or a commodity; this became it’s calculatable ’value.’ Clearly, in ideal conditions you would not swap a kilo of marijuana for a kilo of potatoes (some people might if they were starving, but not in ideal conditions); neither would you swap a kilo of gold for a kilo of marijuana (well ’I’ certainly would if I had an abundance of gold, but not in ’ideal conditions).


2: Sharing and Bartering

Bartering certainly occurs on a primitive scale among farmers in the Somerset countryside where I live. Favours are exchanged and there is mutual co-operation.
I am not sure how many chickens you could get for a pig, or how many pigs for a horse, but it is quite an effective system on a primitive level. Two farmers might have two different machines that each wants to use occasionally, so they share.

This might work out quite well among agriculturalists sharing potatoes for carrots, but for other items, such a system would be much less straightforward.

Les us say you wish to buy a tractor or a combine harvester. You would have to pay the tractor dealer with something with which he could pay the manufacturer for the tractor, and this would have to be something with which the manufacturer would be able to pay his electricity bills, his workers in wages etc.

So at this point it all sounds very messy and quite unrealistic.

3: Anarcho-Capitalism.

So here we are again back to Anarcho-Capitalism.

Here there are no government regulations. No banking regulations. No banking licences. Anyone could theoretically start their own loan sharking institution and issue currency. It seems rather confusing.

In addition, there would still be private property, rich and poor, land owners and the landless and homeless. There would be those who would have to become labour slaves for food and those who would be labour masters and demand labour slavery in return for some form of Capital which could be exchanged for food.

But ultimately the question still has to be asked, how would a particular currency in a world of millions of currencies be considered valuable?

Capital as ’Promissary Notes’ for ’anything.’

A farmer in Texas who issues currency would have to state on the currency what the paper I.O.U. is exchangable for. His currency might state ’I promise to pay the bearer a ton of potatoes, ’ or a ’ton of beef’ or its equivalent in labour hours. This system is of course open to fraud, since he could simply write out more I.O.U’s that he is capable of producing. Further if a farmer in New York was offered this I.O.U, it would be a complex matter since he would have to ensure that the farmer in Texas was capable of making good his promissary notes. Further all persons and companies who supplied the farmer with electricity, phone, computers, tractors, labour would have to go through the same process and take the same risk of ending up with a ton of rotting potatoes dumped on their premises. It is a rather messy and impractical solution which I think most farmers and their suppliers would simply laugh at.

Capital as Precious metal promissary notes.

The current system we have is one where only a select few elite bankers can issue such promissary notes; originally they were backed by precious metals, but even this original system was subject to fraud and the creation of ’reserve banking, ’ where only a small percentage of the precious metals were held in reserve.

There are elite banks and non-elite banks. Today elite banks do not work on a reserve system, they simply issue currency at the touch of a computer mouse. Thus have the Capitalists taken over the world though ’confidence (a ’con’) in their paper and credit.

The Anarcho-Capitalist counterproposal to such a confidence trick by a few elite bankers would seem to lead to a world where there were millions of such confusing confidence tricks.

In summary, Anarcho-Communism is a rejection of forms of bartering, token-ism, Capitalism in any form or labour vouchers; it is quite simply about collectives sharing resources, much as it was in the early days of the Israeli kibbutz.

Love and Light

Lucifer
http://www.luciferia.tv/animation/A.gif

Fire, plague and poisoned waters.



___________

"Every man and every woman is a star." That is to say, every human being is intrinsically an independent individual with his own proper character and proper motion.

Every man and every woman has a course, depending partly on the self, and partly on the environment which is natural and necessary for each. Anyone who is forced from his own course, either through not understanding himself, or through external opposition, comes into conflict with the order of the Universe, and suffers accordingly. Illustration: A man may think it his duty to act in a certain way, through having made a fancy picture of himself, instead of investigating his actual nature. For example, a woman may make herself miserable for life by thinking that she prefers love to social consideration, or "vice versa". One woman may stay with an unsympathetic husband when she would really be happy in an attic with a lover, while another may fool herself into a romantic elopement when her only true pleasures are those of presiding at fashionable functions. …….
A Man whose conscious will is at odds with his True Will is wasting his strength. He cannot hope to influence his environment efficiently. Illustration: When Civil War rages in a nation, it is in no condition to undertake the invasion of other countries….A man who is doing this True Will has the inertia of the Universe to assist him. Illustration: The first principle of success in evolution is that the individual should be true to his own nature, and at the same time adapt himself to his environment….. Man is ignorant of the nature of his own being and powers. Even his idea of his limitations is based on experience of the past, and every step in his progress extends his empire. There is therefore no reason to assign theoretical limits to what he may be, or to what he may do…. The question of Magick is a question of discovering and employing hitherto unknown forces in nature. We know that they exist, and we cannot doubt the possibility of mental or physical instruments capable of bringing us into relation with them.

Aleister Crowley
Magick In Theory And Practice

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Nb., I should point out that Mao, Crowley and Osho (cited in the above essay) were not Anarchists: I merely cite points of agreement.

[lightgiver]

As much as we may joke about such matters; the existence of the afterlife (the ancestral realms) is quite real and the penalties for Capitalist state terrorist collaboration are quite real.

Heaven and Hell

We on earth generally associate 'women and children' with 'motherhood,' love, innocence; whereas 'evil' is predominately a 'male' phenomenon; just as we find that the vast majority of those in prison are 'males;' the idea of Heaven as a maternalistic realm of 'innocents' is perhaps the basis for the Islamic idea that heaven is full of 'females;' this begs the question of where the 'males' who have been evil in their life on earth are confined.

Hell according to my own shamanic experiences and beliefs is a predominately male realm; much like a giant prison, and is ruled by male ancestors, much like a prison where the prison guards are more evil than the enslaved prisioners, whereas heaven is a predominately female realm as has a 'Queen.'

Frankly Grand Master will more likely have 72 males to torture and abuse him, than 72 virgins.

What we bind on earth, we bind in heaven; our enemies and allies on earth shall become our eternal enemies and allies.

Goodness resists and rebels against evil; evil submits to evil; and the latter defines Masonry, whereas the former defines David Icke and many of the debaters on this forum; there is simply no 'salvation' in religious belief; some of the most evil people in history have been 'believers' in their allegedly 'one true faith.'

Goodness seeks to expose evil, bring judgement upon evil and ultimately eradicate evil; this is entirely anti-thetical to Masonry which seeks to mould a submissive Capitalist, state terrorist collaborating slave and then defines such a devil as a 'good' mason; even their language is entirely that of Orwellian Newspeak; good, by antiCapitalsit definition becomes defined as evil and evil as good.

Further in this world the armchair warriors of world capitalist revolution are protected from thier enemies and victims in far off lands by the police state; not so in eternity.

The penalties for submission to evil shall be terrible and dreadful.

I am well aware of you reap what you sow:)

Just not so sure of your version of it ,even though your posts are interesting.:)

[watson_k]

I think that rather than going over this issue all over again, I should simply refer you to my essay What is Anarchism? below; there are further numerous other Anarchist FAQ's circulating the Internet.

“We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun…………. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy”-- Mao Tse-tung
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What is Anarchism? On Capital, Property Will and Law. What is to be done?

I'm not interested in quotes LF, I'm interested in how You feel about the subject. What makes you think the idea of Anarchism is the best way to go?

Have you not seen what has happend previously when people have tried to establish an Anarchist state?

Are you saying the scholars of the past were wrong when they invented these particular ideas? Do you think that was the purpose... to create these things to impose badly on people? Isn't that taking things from the one sided view of the world? - That kind of view is what leads to war and ultimately death.

[luciferhorus]

Okay people, keep it nice please?

I am more than willing to engage Masons here or indeed any of my opponents in intelligent debate, and to extend to them the courtesy that a philosopher extends to his enemies in the forum of debate; however it is the Grand Secretary here who utlises the hurling of abuse and mockery and mistakes this for 'debate;' I am entirely innocent of taking 'first blood' in this matter and frankly and am similarly responding to him on his 'level' in a light hearted way.

Satire is not comedy it is Saturn (death, war, restriction, criticism, confinement) in Scorpio mocking and attacking his enemies and forwarning of their demise.

http://www.hauntedamericatours.com/ghosts/thoth_death-card.jpg

[luciferhorus]

I'm not interested in quotes LF, I'm interested in how You feel about the subject. What makes you think the idea of Anarchism is the best way to go?.


I am a creation of a process of dialectical debate; I have been debating politics throuhgout my life and I have not always thought as I do now; my conversion to Communism was rather like Guevara's it was simply a conclusion of my study of human existence, a judgement that 'Capitalism' is an evil system which produces millions of impoverished slaves.

From Communism to Anarchist Communism was simply the result of debating with Anarchists; I found that my arguments for the replacement of the dictatorship of Capital with an anti-Capitalist dictatorship were simply not sufficient to even convince myself, further the past abuses of state Capitalism convinced me that all government is simply an unnecessary form tyranny which can all too easily be misused.

Have you not seen what has happend previously when people have tried to establish an Anarchist state?

I refer you to my previous essay; the existance of Anarchists (anti-statists) who wish to establish a state is a relatively modern phenomenon of the Internet, and I know of no prominent Anarchist acadmics or writers who have ever published on 'anti-statist statism;' anti-statist statism is simply oxymoronic and it;s adherents are generally those who really do not understand what Anarchism is.

The only real success with an Anarchist region was during the Spanish Revolution as to what happened to them, many of them were tortured and executed by Franco and the Catholics and their revolution destroyed.
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Are you saying the scholars of the past were wrong when they invented these particular ideas? Do you think that was the purpose... to create these things to impose badly on people? Isn't that taking things from the one sided view of the world? - That kind of view is what leads to war and ultimately death.

I don't think that all advocates of the political philosophies of the various brands of state terrorism (such as Marx for example) neccesarily were deliberately seeking to create 'evil' solutions; on the contrary; but I would certainly say that they were mistaken.

Lux

[watson_k]

I am a creation of a process of dialectical debate; I have been debating politics throuhgout my life and I have not always thought as I do now; my conversion to Communism was rather like Guevara's it was simply a conclusion of my study of human existence, a judgement that 'Capitalism' is an evil system which produces millions of impoverished slaves.

From Communism to Anarchist Communism was simply the result of debating with Anarchists; I found that my arguments for the replacement of the dictatorship of Capital with an anti-Capitalist dictatorship were simply not sufficient to even convince myself, further the past abuses of state Capitalism convinced me that all government is simply an unnecessary form tyranny which can all too easily be misused.

If that is indeed true, then I have nothing but respect for your particular views on such matters.

My biggest problem is the 'eradication' of the people that defend these views. That's what I term as terrorism, not the views you hold on the state of the problems we have now. The fact that you want and are willing to hurt others for their views. Wouldn't re-education be a more viable option?

[paradise_1000]

B.N.P. ANALYSIS: FALSE HOPE FOR U.K. NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY
B.N.P.: FaLSe HoPe FoR U.K. NaTioNaL SoVeReiGNTY

Dear friends

I have just read the complete entry for the BNP at Wikipedia & recommend it as an interesting – & I believe balanced – overview of the organisation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

My opinion of them is still the same, i.e.: I support many of their policies regarding saving British sovereignty & on halting rampant immigration, but there are way too many dodgy connections for my liking.

These links include Nick Griffin’s close association with Roberto Fiore, an Italian fascist implicated with the P2 Masonic lodge-associated Bologna massacre.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party#Relations_with_neo-Nazi.2C_terrorist_and_paramilitary_groups

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Fiore

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclei_Armati_Rivoluzionari#Weapons_cache_in_the_H ealth_Minister

&:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banda_della_Magliana

Fiore’s Nuclei Armati Rivoluzionari carried out 33 (surprise, Masonic surprise) murders from 1977 to 1981.

Fiore then seems to have gone on to work for British intelligence.

Interesting to note that Griffin was educated private schools (British Intelligence training camps):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin

& that after leaving the National Front he set up the International Third Position, “a fascist mix of socialism & capitalism.”

At:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=214

we read that the Roman Beast has its fingers in that pie too:

“The ITP has long been associated with clerical fascism, with many members also belonging to the schismatic Catholic sect, the Society of Pius X. This religious aspect caused many Europeans to leave ITP in the early 1990s.”

Even that former organisation had this to say of him:

“He has been a conservative, a revolutionary nationalist, a radical national Socialist, a Third Positionist, a friend of the ‘boot boys’ and the skinhead scene, a man committed to respectable politics and electioneering, a ‘moderniser’. Which is he in reality?”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1412785.stm

Also: Statements & actions toward Jews by leading members, both in their past & while with the party & up to as recently as a couple of years ago (& yes I have noted the recent phenomenon of a small number of Jewish members), such as Joe Owens’ razor blades in the mail incident & Deputy Chairman Scott McLean being filmed in 2006 doing Hitler salutes at a cross-burning ceremony, are too prevalent to consider them to not be controlled opposition at the top level.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party#Anti-semitism_and_Holocaust_denial

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party#Association_with_violence

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/page.cfm?objectid=12800817&method=full

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/page.cfm?objectid=12800817&method=full#story_continue

I still defend their right to have a platform to speak & for their members not to be discriminated against by the “anti-fascist” (from marginal extreme left-wing to big name mainstream party) crypto-fascists.

However, rather than mere “harassment” from the authorities, I cannot shake the feeling that Nick Griffin & his inner clique manage a finely-balanced act of internally sabotaging the moderate nationalism arena.

This is all rather unfortunate, as taken at face value they seem to offer some hope for the salvaging of the culture & sovereignty of these Isles so heavily destroyed by successive terms of Labour & Conservative & which would without doubt be pursued by their pseudo-rival, the Lib Dems.

Another hope dashed on the rocks of cynical manipulation.


taken from here

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/bnp-analysis-false-hope-for-uk-national-sovereignty/

[paradise_1000]

Sunday Herald - 02 September 2001

Revealed: the dark seam of fascism that runs through the Conservatives Investigation: The links between neo-Nazis and the Tory party are closer than anyone would have thought.

Home Affairs Editor Neil Mackay reports

MARGARET Thatcher had been ensconced in Number 10 for just a few months when Alan Clark, one of her closest allies in Parliament, met John Tyndall, the convicted leader of the National Front and the British National Party, for a light supper and a quiet chat about immigration in a discreet restaurant in the west end of London.

That secret meeting in 1980 -- the first of many low-key and closely-guarded liaisons and contacts between the Conservative Party and members of extreme right-wing groups such as the BNP -- lit the fuse of the political timebomb that blew up in the face of Iain Duncan Smith, the Tory leadership candidate. IDS was forced to sack the vice-president of his leadership campaign, Edgar Griffin, when it emerged that he was the father of the current BNP leader, Nick Griffin. Edgar Griffin's son was once convicted of inciting race hatred and his wife stood for the BNP in the June election. Ken Clarke, the Europhile rival to IDS for the Tory crown, has consistently attacked the extremist nature of the Duncan Smith camp, even going so far as to describe him as a 'hanger and flogger'.

Throughout most of the 20th century there was always a sporadic and unco-ordinated dalliance between extremists on the far right and the right-wing of the Conservatives, most notably in the form of Enoch Powell's infamous 'rivers of blood' anti-immigration speech. But it was that dinner date back in early 1980 between the flamboyant maverick Alan Clark, who went on to serve as Minister for trade and later defence, and John Tyndall that showed there was more than just a simple backroom flirtation going on between Nazis and Tories. Speaking last week, Tyndall said: 'In general I've a very low opinion of Tories now. They are gutless. Any Tory I've ever met held views far nearer to mine than they would ever let on in public.' Tyndall was jailed for incitement to race hatred, and has also been fined and jailed for having weapons including a pistol, coshes and saw-blades. He also served six months in 1962 for organising and training a neo-Nazi group.

'The Tories are terrified of wearing their true colours in public,' Tyndall added. 'In private they speak freely to you about their views on race or at meetings they whisper in your ear that they agree with X, Y and Z.' Tyndall, who was ousted as BNP leader by Nick Griffin in September 1999, claimed that around 5% to 10% of BNP membership came from rank- and-file Tory members who moved into his party. 'The only prominent politician who sat down with me was Alan Clark, it was around the time that I was leading the National Front. He contacted me and suggested that we meet.

'My wife and I met him in a restaurant in London's west end. I recall him saying something like 'there are a lot of us in the Tory party who agree with you, but are too frightened to say so'. He also claimed there were a number of other prominent Tories who tacitly supported us in parliament.' This wasn't some one-off aberration. Investigations by the Sunday Herald have uncovered a long history of covert discussions between the two parties, and other extremist groups, which stretch right up to today.

Scott McLean, who heads the BNP in Scotland, has met a number of ex-Tory party members and recruited them to the BNP. One of these former Tories was 'quite highly placed' in the party. 'We share a common ground with them on key issues that are central to both parties,' he said, 'like voluntary repatriation.' One of the most disturbing discoveries is the link between a prominent former member of the Torbay Conservative Association called Mark Cotterill and the BNP's activities in the US. Until Tuesday of last week, Cotterill fronted an arm of the BNP called the American Friends of the British National Party. He resigned his position when the Intelligence Report -- the American equivalent of the British anti-Nazi organisation Searchlight -- sent a dossier on him to the US Attorney General, claiming that he had breached both US Federal and British election laws while fund- raising for the BNP in the states.

Closely linked to both the Ku Klux Klan and Dr William Pierce, leader of the American facist organisation the National Alliance and the man whose book, The Turner Diaries, inspired the Oklahoma bombing, Cotterill has been a key figure in developing the BNP's policy of 'entryism' -- the strategy of getting into the mainstream of politics using, in some cases, tactics which include hijacking other political parties. The money Cotterill raised from American extremists for the BNP -- an estimated �85,000 -- helped fund the party's election campaign this year, resulting in their best ever poll. Its leader Nick Griffin polled more than 16% of the vote in Oldham -- a town at the centre of race riots.

Since the founding of the AFBNP in January 1999 there have been 19 meetings averaging 100 people per rally. In some cases individual cheques of �8000 and �14,000 were written. Nick Griffin made a fundraising trip to the US a month before the general election and Steve Cartwright, a key member of the BNP in Scotland, made a whistle-stop tour of the US with Cotterill to drum up cash. Cartwright once described Cotterill as 'one of the best weapons the BNP has'. The UK electoral commission is now examining if the BNP broke laws on foreign donations. Shortly after the London Nazi nail bombings in 1999, Cotterill told the Sunday Herald that the best comparison with his work in the USA was with Noraid, the organisation which raised millions of pounds for the Irish republican movement. Coincidentally, Tyndall was also once photographed beside David Copeland, who was jailed for the nail bombings, at a neo-Nazi rally in 1997.

Cotterill is also a friend of David Moon, another member of the National Front who enrolled in the Conservatives. He says he joined the Mistley and Manningtree branch of the Tories, told the branch chairman, Doug Pallett, that he had been in the NF and was told his past wasn't a problem. He was attracted to the hardline anti-Europe stance of the Tories.

Cotterill set up the AFBNP when he moved to the USA in the mid-1990s. It was also then that he began to operate as the American distributor of the British right-wing magazine Right Now! which has also been linked to the IDS camp. Uncomfortably for Iain Duncan Smith, that puts ex-Tory Cotterill slap-bang in the middle of his campaign team. One of IDS's key supporters is Andrew Hunter, a member of the hardline Monday Club grouping in the Tory party and a patron of Right Now! One of Andrew Hunter's key aides is David Hoile. The Conservative Central Office told the Sunday Herald on Friday that Hoile is an 'advisor to the IDS campaign at the moment', a claim that Hoile denied, although he did admit that he acted as a researcher for Hunter, who he described as 'an old family friend'. Schooled in Rhodesia, Hoile left on independence and was a senior member of the Federation of Conservative Students in the UK until it was abolished for being too extreme by Conservative Central Office.

He specialises in right-wing causes such as the Contras in Nicaragua, UNITA in Angola, Renamo in Mozambique and Inkatha in South Africa, and has been described as the 'mouthpiece' of the Sudanese government, through his organisation, the European-Sudanese Public Affairs Council, which has an appaling history of human rights abuses and was described by the US as a 'sponsor of terrorism'.

Recent editions of Right Now!, which writes on British culture and politics with a blatantly Powellite slant, featured articles entitled More Anti-Racist Nonsense, attacks on multi-culturalism and a supplement called The McPherson Report Exposed. Cotterill was a runaway success as US distributor upping American sales to 25% of the total circulation.

Right Now! bills itself as the 'voice of the patriotic and conservative right'. Its editor, Derek Turner, once referred to himself as 'your neighbourhood Nazi'. The magazine has interviewed a number of key Tories including John Redwood. Turner rejected allegations that his magazine was on the extreme right-wing, although he added that he saw multi-culturalism as 'an ideology that is a receipe for disaster'.

When Anne Widdecombe was immigration minister she addressed a group of Right Now! subscribers at a meeting in the House of Commons. During the meeting one member of the audience was upset by a Nigerian family living in his street and another lamented that there were 'an awful lot of black people in the media', adding: 'One of the problems is that the media are constantly showing pictures of ethnic minorities as if they were British citizens.' Another patron of Right Now! is the Conservative peer Viscount Massereene and Ferrard. He once said: 'If you say I am a racist, yes I certainly am and proud of it. I'm Anglo-Saxon and want to keep this country Anglo-Saxon.'


http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/lettersOct-Nov03/120503letters.htm

[paradise_1000]

"Frenchman Jean-Marie le Pen (member of Paris' Grand Orient Lodge) warmly welcomes Masonic brother Nick Griffin, leader of the British National Party (BNP). Jean-Marie le Pen, head of a supposed right-wing populist party in France, is oft criticized in that country's press for what they say are his anti-Semitic views. In fact, by this hand grip and by other clear Masonic gestures he has made publicly, it appears that le Pen is a covert Mason, which would make him more akin to Zionism and its Communist Hegelian philosophy. "

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/Rostafari/ngmason-001.jpg

[luciferhorus]

My biggest problem is the 'eradication' of the people that defend these views. That's what I term as terrorism, not the views you hold on the state of the problems we have now. The fact that you want and are willing to hurt others for their views. Wouldn't re-education be a more viable option?

http://www.globalenvision.org/articleimages/_image/zapatistas-econ.jpg

I think you will find that Anarchists in general are philosophers, intellectuals, students, academics, much like the Marxist crowd; they are generally rather gentle souls and quite the opposite of the 'football hooligans' who are the recruting grounds for both the far Right and the armies of the state terrorists.

http://www.casa115.com/blog/zapatistas-thumb.jpg

I am generally quite typical of Anarchists in that I am simply a 'propagandist;' in real life I too am a rather gentle soul; I grew up in the 'love and peace' hippy movement of the 60's and I have rather a great love and compassion for suffering humanity; personally I am not at all a violent person, however I am morally obligated to respond to Anglo-American Christian state terrorism, which is a militant, apocalyptic and genocidal ideology; the victims of their many wars, black operations, palace revolutions and coups to advance Capitalist narco-terrorist revolution, are in their millions, and their victims must further include the millions who die each year due to the effects of poverty which are directly related to the international dictatorship of Capital.

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/news/080310/prince_harry2_320.jpg

One cannot fight a Christian armed with weapons of mass destruction and a police state with a peace flag; just as the sword is an innapropriate weapon to use against a tank.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Disturbing%20Truths/starving_child-sudan2.jpg

LL

Lux

[mike martin]

My opinion of them is still the same, i.e.: I support many of their policies regarding saving British sovereignty & on halting rampant immigration, but there are way too many dodgy connections for my liking.

The BNP poses a moral dilemna doesn't it?

Say you have to vote for one of only two parties. One promises it will do nothing of what you want for the future and the other promises to do half of what you want but you find some of its other policies repugnant.

Who do you vote for?

Mike

[slartibartfast]

Sunday Herald - 02 September 2001

Revealed: the dark seam of fascism that runs through the Conservatives Investigation: The links between neo-Nazis and the Tory party are closer than anyone would have thought.....

You do realise that the Labour -- Communist/Stalinist sympathies are probably very similar. All parties will cover a wide spectrum of opinion, some Conservatives on the Left of the party probably have similar views to those on the Right of the Labour party...though that is never countenanced.

[boots]

You do realise that the Labour -- Communist/Stalinist sympathies are probably very similar. All parties will cover a wide spectrum of opinion, some Conservatives on the Left of the party probably have similar views to those on the Right of the Labour party...though that is never countenanced.

You dont get it do you mate.

They all work for the lobbyist. Not the people.

conspiracies are coincidences when you conveniently ignore all relative information

.

[flyermay]

... you have to vote for one of only two parties. One promises it will do nothing of what you want for the future and the other promises to do half of what you want but you find some of its other policies repugnant.

No one could have describe our "democracy" in practice better than this!!!

[eastbeast]

They all work for the lobbyist. Not the people.

.


Sad but true, if you need anything serious done by an MP you need a lobbyist to take on your case.

[boots]

Sad but true, if you need anything serious done by an MP you need a lobbyist to take on your case.


No it's not eastbeast. How can there be any real progress in this world. whenmoney is in control

Anyway, when I need to look at reality in a lighthearted way. I watch this.;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGyObuH3WTY

[eastbeast]

No it's not eastbeast. How can there be any real progress in this world. whenmoney is in control

Anyway, when I need to look at reality in a lighthearted way. I watch this.;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGyObuH3WTY


We are in agreement there, the fact that money decides what happens is a real barrier to progress.
I am hoping that this current round of scandal within Parliament forces everyone to take a look at their morals.
I don't mean just MPs etc. either.

[paradise_1000]

the fact that money decides what happens is a real barrier to progress.

Fact that overseeing powers have control of the monetary system that is the problem!

surrendering your right to trade is putting yourself in others hands ?

not a thinkable thing ?????


I am hoping that this current round of scandal within Parliament forces everyone to take a look at their morals.
I don't mean just MPs etc. either.


We will see ;)

btw forget zietgiest ok thats made by them its a clever lie :eek: it tells the TRUTH but then pushes the venus project

[flyermay]

Hard to say...there hasn't been enough time for any of his reforms to show effect, and hasn't had enough time to even enact some of them. Our privatized health care system on this side of the pond is both a mess and a joke, we have two wars dragging on, and the former Republican administration apparently agreed with the commies on this forum that torturing folks is a-ok.

Sorry Thelonoius (or anyone else from America), just out of curiosity: do you know if Obama is doing anything to take America out of fascism?

I mean, is he only thinking about closing Guantanamo, or is he also considering the following list:

The patriot act
Secret prisons around the world (other concentration camps like Guantanamo)
Development of paramilitary forces (employing companies like Blackwater)
Surveillance of ordinary citizens (and adding innocents to suspect's lists)
Infiltration of citizen’s groups
Detention and release of innocent citizens (as a form of scare tactic)
Targeting key individuals (to silence them)
Restriction of the press
Recasting criticism as espionage, and dissent as treason
Subversion of the rule of law (disregarding congress and replacing US attorneys at convenience)

[luciferhorus]

The BNP poses a moral dilemna doesn't it?

Say you have to vote for one of only two parties. One promises it will do nothing of what you want for the future and the other promises to do half of what you want but you find some of its other policies repugnant.

Who do you vote for?

Mike

Let us say that you had a choice of only One party, the Nazi Party? What would you do?

The Frederick the Great Association and German Freemasonry under the Nazis


http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/pics/1934poster.jpg

By Watchy of www.freemasonrywatch.org

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/P2.html

One of the more twisted myths being propagated by 'Regular' Anglo-American Freemasonry of late is that the Nazi's persecuted 'regular' Freemasonry in Germany during it's reign.

'Regular' Freemasonry plays the recognition game if it wants to deny that a particular infamous individual was a Freemason. Usually this is carried out in regard to Grand Orient Freemasons, which it does not recognize as being legitimate Masons because it has it's own operation called 'Grand Lodges' set up in their countries, France being the largest instance.

In Germany at the time the Nazi's came to power(with the aid of numerous Freemason High Financiers like Henry Ford) there existed nine Grand Lodges and Orients.

Three Grand Lodges were were known as 'Old Prussian Grand Lodges', which were large, well organized, and contained the bulk of all Freemasons in Germany. Six were called 'Modern Grand Lodges', which were small, isolated, with only a few thousand members each.

One of the groupings had always banned Jews from joining and was fiercely nationalistic and reactionary in it's politics. One of the groupings had always allowed Jews to join and was international and liberal in it's politics.

It was the 'Old Prussian Grand Lodges', which contained the High Command Officers, Industrialists, and Royal Houses who had always banned Jews from joining and which was fiercely nationalistic and reactionary in it's politics that the American and British Grand Lodges recognized as being 'regular'.

The 'Moderns', the ones that allowed Jews to join? 'Regular' Freemasonry said they were 'irregular' and 'clandestine'. In other words they did not recognize the Grand Lodges that allowed Jews to join as being Freemasons or Freemasonry what so ever.

'Regular' Freemasonry is trying to hoodwink their recognition of the anti-semitic National Grand Lodges and their non recognition of the non anti-semitic International Grand Lodges.

The Nazi's shut down the 'Modern' Grand Lodges whose membership was heavily jewish, liberal, and 'international', but allowed the 'national'

Old Prussian Grand Lodges to carry on after their Grand Master's sent formal written oaths of alliegence to 'Mein Furher', changed their name to 'The Frederick the Great Association'(Frederick the Great being German 'Regular' Freemasonry's founder and principal patron.), and removed any obvious Hebraic wording from it's rituals.

When the war was over 'regular' Freemasonry operating under the guise of 'The Frederick the Great Association' changed their name back to what it was before Crystal Nacht. You won't see any of this mentioned on any of those 'Is it true what they say about Freemasonry?' or 'Difficult Questions about Freemasonry' web sites that 'regular' Freemasonry has mirrored all over the net.

The Scottish Rite had its beginning in France, when in 1754, the Chevalier de Bonneville established in Paris, a chapter of twenty-five so-called High Degrees which, including the three symbolic Degrees, these High Degrees were called the Rite of Perfection. In 1758 these Degrees were taken to Berlin and placed under a body called the Council of Emperors of the East and West, and in 1762 Frederick the Great of Prussia became the head of the Rite and promulgated what is known as the Constitution of 1762. In 1786 a reorganization took place in which eight Degrees were added to the twenty-five, and the name changed to the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. By this Constitution, Frederick resigned his authority as Grand Commander and provided that the government of the new system of Degrees should rest with a Council of each Nation, to be composed of nine Sovereign Grand Inspectors General of the Thirty-Third and last Degree of Freemasonry. Source: AASR, Orient of Texas.

There was absolutely no persecution of 'regular' Freemasonry in Germany. How could there have been? The Old Prussian 'regular' National Grand Lodges were filled with Officers of the High Command, Captains of Industry, Commerce, Finance, Leading Citizens, and Royalty, most of whom were loyal Nazi Party members themselves. The very men who brought Hitler to power. All with the knowledge of American and British 'regular' Grand Lodge Freemasonry and it's hereditary pro-nazi Grand Master the Duke of Kent.

__________________________

The previous Duke of Kent (the current Duke who is the current Grand Master of Enlgish Masonry) - George Edward Alexander Edmund was installed as Grand Master by King George VI in 1939.

Historians tell us that the late Grand Master was Pro Nazi and travelled the Fatherland in order to better educate the King about National Socialism

http://www.returnofthenephilim.com/FreemasonryFirstDegree-2.html

____________________

[sean hadley]

griffins father used an accountant who is a freemason?

that is damning?

is there any evidence?

did sean hadley at nwn used to be in the bnp, before being kicked out?

Just to set the record straight, I wasn't kicked out of the B.N.P., I left of my own accord, I could not look my members in the eyes (I was an official) and say to them that everything was hunky dory within the party.
It isn't.

http://www.griffinwatch-nwn.blogspot.com

Regards. Sean.

[eternal_spirit]

B’nai B’rith lodges where and still are exclusively for Jews. (but that's not racist haha):rolleyes:

The Role of the Jews in the Bolshevik Revolution and the Genocidal Killing of 65,000,000 Christians by the Jewish Leaders in the USSR (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-USSR-Jewish-Bolshevism-Jewish%20Role.html)

June 1999 - Communism Takes Over Russia (http://www.eaec.org/newsletters/1999/NL1999jun.htm)

"Trotsky then himself became a freemason through the B’nai Brith. It was Jacob Schiff in New York and chairman of the Kuhn & Loeb bank, that was financing ..."

Trotsky as a Freemason - Under the Sign of the Scorpion - the Rise ... (http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/08aug/sovietrisefall.html)

"With the aid of Alexander Parvus, Trotsky reached the conclusion that the true purpose of freemasonry was to eliminate the nation states and their cultures ..."



And according to this below which is very ironic that they claim to be against racism and founded the ADL:rolleyes:

A-5 link (http://www.theindivisiblelight.com/Downloads/SumOfEndTimes/A-5%20supplement.doc) "B’nai B’rith, the secret Jewish Fraternity, began in 1843 under the name of “ Sons of the Covenant.” No one who is not a Jew may enter the B’nai B’rith

B'nai B'rith has about 500,000 members in 58 countries. The national office, located in Washington, D.C., publishes the International Jewish Monthly and other periodicals.

As William Guy Carr points out in Pawns in the Game, both Oliver Cromwell and William of Orange were funded by Jewish bankers. The English Revolution (1649) was the first in a series of revolutions designed to give them world hegemony. The establishment of the Bank of England by William in 1694 was the next crucial step. Behind the facade, England has been a "Jewish" state for over 300 years. (pp.20-24)

The Jewish banking families made it a practice to marry their female offspring to spendthrift European aristocrats. In Jewish law, the mixed offspring of a Jewish mother is Jewish. (The male heirs marry Jews although the Victor and Jacob Rothschild are exceptions .)

For example, in 1878 Hannah Rothschild married Lord Rosebery. who later became Prime Minister. In 1922 Louis Mountbatten, the uncle of Prince Philip and cousin of the Queen married the granddaughter of Jewish banker Ernest Cassel, one of the wealthiest men in the world. Winston Churchill's mother, Jenny (Jacobson) Jerome, was Jewish. By the beginning of the 1900s, there were very few English aristocrat families left that hadn't intermarried with Jews.

It was said that, when they visited the Continent, Europeans were surprised to see Jewish looking persons with English titles and accents.

According to L.G. Pine, the Editor of Burke's Peerage , Jews "have made themselves so closely connected with the British peerage that the two classes are unlikely to suffer loss which is not mutual. So closely linked are the Jews and the lords that a blow against the Jews in this country would not be possible without injuring the aristocracy also." (Tales of the British Aristocracy1957, p.219.)

If they aren't Jewish by intermarriage, many European aristocrats consider themselves descendents of Biblical Hebrews.


MASONRY & B'NAI B'RITH

Masonic Order Connections to B'nai B'rith Denied (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor794581)
Masonic Order Connections to B'nai B'rith Denied and Then Affirmed (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor796829)
How B'nai B'rith Lodge Officers Titles & Degrees Mimick the Hocus Pocus of the Names of Masonic Lodge Officers, Illuminati, and the Other Grand Conspiracies for Internationalism and One World Orders… (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor811751)
Masonic-Like Regalias and "Outward Signs" Created for B'nai B'rith in 1843 by Jones and Renau (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor816691)
B'Nai B'rith's "Congregation of Grand Lodges" Created as the Controlling Organization (1843) (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor814101)

RACIST ASPECTS

1843 B'nai B'rith Racial Preamble (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor818869)
How Jew Hated Jew in America--Ashkenazis vs. Sephardim (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor789262)
Menorah Chosen as the B'nai B'rith Symbol (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor809514)
First Name Suggested for B'nai B'rith was the "Bund of Brothers" or "Bund Bruders" (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor802695)
B'nai B'rith means "Sons of the Covenant" or "the Cut" (Circumcision Covenant) (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor804844)
The Foreign-Born and Unassimilated Founders of B'nai B'rith (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor798233)

ANTI-CHRISTIAN ASPECTS

Immigration of Non-Christians in 1880's Promulgated by B'nai B'rith (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor832480)
Anti-Christian Immigration Programs Favoring Jews proposed by B'nai B'rith in 1920 (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor55275)
The Beginnings of Jewish monopolistic newspaper power (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor837103)
New York Not Enough--Jewish Conspiracy to Extend Jewish Presence and Power to all States in the USA… (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor845217)
Jewish Leftist Plot in Rumania Led to Trouble (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor850243)
Rumanian Leftist Jews Brought to America (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor851956)
Calm Apology for Jewish Pimps in Jewish White Slave Trade (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor856096)
Slick Apologists Picture of the Jewish White Slave Trade (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor858020)
Rabble Roused Jews in New York City by Revolutionaries (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor860647)
Gun-Toting Jews in Russia - Guscd non-commital on B'nai B'rith's part played in arming Jews… (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor871159)

ADL'S INTELLECTUAL ASSAULTS ON NON-JEWS

ADL Founded in October 1913 by B'nai B'rith (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor901960)
ADL Beginnings--Anti-Semitism as Earliest and Wrong Argument by B'nai B'rith to End Freedom of Expression (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor904003)
ADL Formed by B'nai B'rith Lodges to Threaten Non-Jews Who Did Not Cooperate in Not Reporting the News about Jewish Plots from the Left Worldwide (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor931810)
Note How the ADL Immediately Began Intellectual Assault Against America's Non-Jewish Citizens Using the Methods Proven by the New York Jewish MafiaVisits -- Threats -- Economic Repraisal -- Boycott -- Defamation of Uncooperative Citizens (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor358395)
Jewish Intellectual Assault and Intimidation of Non-Jewish Citizenry--Comment By Norman V. Cousins (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor935248)
Mohammed von Goldstein on ADL terrorism against Christendom (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor938405)
ADL Mafia Methods for Committing an Intellectual Assault on Intellectual Properties (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor358395)
Anti-Semitism--The Low-Life Scream of a Jewish Person or Organization Not Wanting Continued and Open Public Exposure for Committing Evil (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor396996)
The Anti-American, Marxist, Jewish Mafiaesque, extremely Trotskyite Call for Anti-Freedom-of-Speech by B'nai B'rith seen as early as 1920 (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor14743)
Jews--the people most for welfare programs--promised in 1694 never to be welfare persons in order to immigrate. Now they openly support welfare for all immigrants. (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor48997)
First President of ADL, Sigmund Livingston, was a vicious Jewish attorney who was already involved in mafia-Like Intellectual Assaults visited upon Non-Jews (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor776205)
B'nai B'rith Founds ADL; Seeks to Force Shakespeare out of American Schools (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html#anchor897952)

[eternal_spirit]

The Anti-Christian B'nai B'rith call for more and more immigration to reduce Christians in America and change 400 years of national American History, a policy that is now in effect and will reduce majority Americans to a minority by 2040. All brought to you by Jews of the B'nai B'rith and their cousin Jews who ran the USSR.

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-scholarly-histories-grusd-Bnai-Brith-History-Of.html

Same goes for Britain and Europe.

Semite Bliar and cohort Brown funded and backed by Lordy Levy and Sir Cohen.

[lightgiver]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5615/lordlevyandblairvi7.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/lordlevyandblairvi7.jpg/)

Dodgy dossier: Blair was accused of using false information to bounce parliament into Bush's Iraq war

The Foreign Office has been ordered to publish an early draft of Tony Blair's "dodgy dossier" on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

It now has 28 days to decide whether to publish the document or appeal to the High Court.

Information Commissioner Richard Thomas originally ordered ministers to hand over the draft last May but the Government appealed.

But the Information Tribunal rejected the appeal.

Campaigners believe the draft, written by then Foreign Office press secretary John Williams, could contain the first mention of Saddam Hussein's ability to launch a WMD strike within 45 minutes - a claim made by Tony Blair in his dossier of September 2002.

However, the draft was never seen by Lord Hutton, who carried out the 2004 inquiry into the death of weapons expert David Kelly, the first to question the 45-minute claim.

The tribunal said: "We do not accept that we should treat the Hutton report as the final word."

Last night researcher Christopher Ames, who applied for the information in 2005, said: "The ruling casts doubt over the Government's claim that the draft played no part in the production of the dossier."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-510043/Blairs-dodgy-dossier-Iraq-set-revealed-Government-loses-appeal-keeping-secret.html

These people should be indited on war crimes,but they will get off scott free,I see bush is no where to be seen,and the beast rest of the criminals.

They pounce on ordinary people quick enough for minor offences what a backward upside down world we live in eh.:rolleyes:

They are flippin corrupt Lawyers trained at the temple bar.

Making all their laws to suit the elites.It makes me sick to my stomach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jIGBYrubtw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyGXr0ZpBYM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dNg9vKsHmw and Blairs and Browns and all the stinkin lot who voted for this,you will all reap what you sow.

Dites-moi
Pourquoi
La vie est belle,
Dites-moi
Pourquoi
La vie est gai,
Dites-moi
Pourquoi,
Chere Mad'moiselle,
Est-ce que
Parce que
Vous m'aimez?

The extreme contrast between the lovely music and the tragic photographs is entirely intentional. For these Iraqi children, and many more like them, there is no "la vie est belle", because of the brutal, illegal, and obscene invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Remember who did 911. (inside job)

[lightgiver]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5615/lordlevyandblairvi7.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/lordlevyandblairvi7.jpg/)

Dodgy dossier: Blair was accused of using false information to bounce parliament into Bush's Iraq war

The Foreign Office has been ordered to publish an early draft of Tony Blair's "dodgy dossier" on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

It now has 28 days to decide whether to publish the document or appeal to the High Court.

Information Commissioner Richard Thomas originally ordered ministers to hand over the draft last May but the Government appealed.

But the Information Tribunal rejected the appeal.

Campaigners believe the draft, written by then Foreign Office press secretary John Williams, could contain the first mention of Saddam Hussein's ability to launch a WMD strike within 45 minutes - a claim made by Tony Blair in his dossier of September 2002.

However, the draft was never seen by Lord Hutton, who carried out the 2004 inquiry into the death of weapons expert David Kelly, the first to question the 45-minute claim.

The tribunal said: "We do not accept that we should treat the Hutton report as the final word."

Last night researcher Christopher Ames, who applied for the information in 2005, said: "The ruling casts doubt over the Government's claim that the draft played no part in the production of the dossier."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-510043/Blairs-dodgy-dossier-Iraq-set-revealed-Government-loses-appeal-keeping-secret.html

These people should be indited on war crimes,but they will get off scott free,I see bush is no where to be seen,and the beast rest of the criminals.

They pounce on ordinary people quick enough for minor offences what a backward upside down world we live in eh.:rolleyes:

They are flippin corrupt Lawyers trained at the temple bar.

Making all their laws to suit the elites.It makes me sick to my stomach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jIGBYrubtw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyGXr0ZpBYM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dNg9vKsHmw and Blairs and Browns and all the stinkin lot who voted for this,you will all reap what you sow.

Dites-moi
Pourquoi
La vie est belle,
Dites-moi
Pourquoi
La vie est gai,
Dites-moi
Pourquoi,
Chere Mad'moiselle,
Est-ce que
Parce que
Vous m'aimez?

The extreme contrast between the lovely music and the tragic photographs is entirely intentional. For these Iraqi children, and many more like them, there is no "la vie est belle", because of the brutal, illegal, and obscene invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Remember who did 911. (inside job)


Bumped for the Missing vids the Matrix gremlins keep stealing,we will just keep bumping for victory,Nice try.

It will be pics from now on;lets see if the gremlin,s steal them:rolleyes: