wot do people think about halluconagenic drugs.

[magemasher]

this is about my experiance of my 3rd and final magic mushroom experiance.most of the stuff that happend in the trip was pretty bizarre as u can imagine, but one thing that stuck with me happend wen i was out of it the person i did them with thought i was gonna die i was od. I was totally unaware of my surroundins and my experiance was with a reptillian entity, benelovent. it told me to continue researchin wot is goin on in the world today. the government the secret goverment etc etc. at that time i started to think the things iv learnt from david icke chris everard etc may not be true, at first in the days after the trip i didnt fink much of it, put it down to experiance and got over wot was quite a traumatic experiance. after a few weeks the reptillian experiance was pasted all over my mind so o followed the instruction and looked deeper into the info thats out there not just on the net but in everyday life symbols etc, i explain one in another thread in the symbology section. anyway im still unsure wether a trip hold any real significance on real life but there is a lot of people that say different, what are your opinions on halluciogens and the opening of our minds. e g ayahuasca/dmt/shrooms etc

[grime status]

being on hallucinogenics puts you on another frequency, to where you see truth. Sometimes, its scary the things you start to realize.

but it has much to teach.

Ask yourself this, why do native ameicans use them in spiritual journeys, and to learn about life, and nature?

Unless you act all retarted, and don't use them for the right reasons.

Even when you have a bad trip, or a frighting experience, usually you learn something from it, or you should. Either about yourself, or the world we call reality, or people your with. It's a learning tool. Don't fear it.

[astrochicken]

what are your opinions on halluciogens and the opening of our minds. e g ayahuasca/dmt/shrooms etc

As long as you're "grounded" (ie- psychologically stable) and it grows naturally (ie non-refined).. then by all means.

[octopusrex]

The more, the merrier!

[universalmind]

I love hallucinogens, everything is amazingly clear and if you've got a great scenes of humor your good to go..if your tripping with a group of people then the experience should bring you all the more closer. While tripping I love to venture in the unknown and over analyze things, its kind of like a key to your past before you realize the awful truth. As far as reptiles, research the r-complex.

[quetzalcoatl]

being on hallucinogenics puts you on another frequency, to where you see truth. Sometimes, its scary the things you start to realize.

but it has much to teach.

Ask yourself this, why do native ameicans use them in spiritual journeys, and to learn about life, and nature?

Unless you act all retarted, and don't use them for the right reasons.

Even when you have a bad trip, or a frighting experience, usually you learn something from it, or you should. Either about yourself, or the world we call reality, or people your with. It's a learning tool. Don't fear it.

I agree here.. Personally, I've tripped with a wide range of people - all with varying results. Some, tis juz an average buzz & not much hallucination, more a licence to drink like a fish :D of-course tis depend on the dosage tho.. I've had massive uncontrollable laughing fits, really great euphoria - to the point ya whole face is hurting :D (awesome trips with good folk etc). Then with 'others', tis a journey into fear & loathing.. which I don't find enjoyable @ all.. tis draining & taxing.. sometimes hard to relax if you can see people taking things the wrong way, or surrendering to the grips of paranoia. :(

There's some real boarder-line psychos out there; the kind that brandish knifes in a threatening manner - then, wen they are invited, they chicken out.. these types everyone's 'out to get them' on acid - EG; locking other mates out-side in the pouring rain (cuz they think that person gona harm them) - then I let them back-in & everything's 'back to normal'.. :rolleyes: These types aren't fun to trip with - & it really brings the whole vibe down all round.. they sometimes even lash out un-provoked.. or fly kick ya in the hip to where ya fall over & bounce ya scone on the concrete - left wondering WTF is going on??

Psychos with knifes they're - but wen it comes to it; they are juz scared little men.. like wen ya stand up for yourself - they turn & pull a guilt trip on ya (prolly az a last resort maneuver n shit).. Even tho ya might only have given them a 'love pat' & tell them so (there might still be a certain 'barrier' to their understanding of wot ya say, which inevitably & unfortunately still further flares paranoia - which is plain to feel/see & sometimes hear) - the guilt trip might continue; where-by ya almost 'manipulated' into offering them the chance to 'return the favor'.. ya kno, to make it 'even' - in-case things were un-fair on these types.. & if they punch like a fairy ya might perhaps extend the offer.. These types I strongly advise not to trip with.. :p

Tis patterns of psychosis that emerge in various forms - like harboring grudges, not ever seeing faults in themselves.. Yet, worst of all they directly lie & spice-up past events - quite often in victim mode, they have learned the 'benefits' of being a helpless victim; & will 'cash-in' wen it suits them - They fully exaggerate events, nay even totally make things up.. classic detachment from reality stuff.. anything to paint a picture of themselves of more importance.. Tis really hard to kno exactly wot do do with these people - ya see & feel them in distress; but sometimes expressing concern can back-fire a further aggravate fears.. if ya get deep enough into the psychology of it - ya find it ALL really comes back to THE SELF.. Truz! Sometimes juz twirling a 'hat' is all it will take.. :(

I much prefer tripping with happy, honest, good people - always cultivates a euphoric atmosphere; the giggle fits man.. das wheres it at! :D

[kurupted_flesh]

IMO/E everything in 3D reality or otherwise is made up of the EXACTLY the same substance, and that substance I will here refer to as, Source.

As such, it is your own thoughts concerning the particular (ah separation, the root of all illusion) arrangement that said Source material arranges as, and your perception's interpretation and thus interpolated effect therein, that determines the final effect.

Realizing that you (cause) are the one that determines this (and every) effect whether it is generated with or without your awareness in the matter, is what most have a hard time grasping.

3D's conditioning and influence through immersion is hard-core though, so unless you are the shiza-masta-whiza of 3D reality, I don't suggest drinking gasoline, as you have in place way too many collective world-mind ingrained beliefs testifying (albeit under influence of false beliefs) that that particular event would kill you, thus it would.

However, I know of no kindergardener yet that can explain String Theory either. But that doesn't mean that one day that kiddo won't be able to someday work out Unified Field Theory to the world physics community's satisfaction.

Baby Steps. :rolleyes:

[quetzalcoatl]

Tis all good, of course.. play fighting escalates to real fighting, in-turn escalates.. then knifes come out! :eek: shit happens.. - it ain't no 'blame game' or anything.. :)

[supertzar]

I think you have to have some respect for what the plant or chemical is teaching. Some people trip so often in the wrong circumstances it messes them up. I know kids who trip about 30 times a year, always in a party environment and their trips are getting worse. One kid who never had seizures had one when he was tripping out on shrooms. His friend had an out of body experience that started out great but ended with him cowering in his room unconsciously begging for help. My opinion is that if you trip that often you have to be a little more serious about exploring your mind. Too much of the shallower social tripping is a waste and can actually become harmful.

[rhydra]

I wouldn't want to try anything that changes the senses and perhaps could change the way of thinking. it may not be an important change but I wouldn't want to not be "me" after the experience.
Probably it wasn't anything with hallucinogenic drugs but I can't help thinking of Syd Barratt and what happened to him. :p

[fromthatshow]

I am not psychologically stable :(
So I've been putting it off.
I have a therapist and everything, and I was going to ask her if she thought there were any hallucinogenic drugs out there that would be helpful, then I realized she's a fucking therapist, and there's no one she's going to advocate drug use.
I think it could teach me about myself. Or I might go crazy and kill myself. I don't know I guess it'd be best to be around good friends if I did try it.

[anahata]

It's hard to discuss this without people telling you it's all in your mind as you know but I believe trips are very real (you experience it, so it's real to an extent anyway) and for me, some realisations were absolutely true... it doesn't matter to me that I only experienced that with... help. There are states we will struggle to get to which hallucinogens are expertly there to assist in.. and if they weren't meant to be tried at all then they wouldn't be there. I'm not saying they should be taken but as Bill said, they speed up evolution :)

One thing I will say is that just because you felt a certain way, doesn't mean that you necessarily interpreted a message in the right way. We tend to presume at times and when you're a little out of it (while still in it?!) things can get misunderstood so be careful.

[unusual_suspect]

I think you have to have some respect for what the plant or chemical is teaching. Some people trip so often in the wrong circumstances it messes them up. I know kids who trip about 30 times a year, always in a party environment and their trips are getting worse. One kid who never had seizures had one when he was tripping out on shrooms. His friend had an out of body experience that started out great but ended with him cowering in his room unconsciously begging for help. My opinion is that if you trip that often you have to be a little more serious about exploring your mind. Too much of the shallower social tripping is a waste and can actually become harmful.

Well said, these are teacher plants and should be used for insight and enlightenment. However what also disturbs me is that dmt, shrooms etc have become a trendy gimmick for shallow folk who seem to think they can take a trip to enlightenment, take a hallucinogen and come out the other side as an enlightened and better person.

I actually believe that certain spiritual practises will release your own dmt and that using hallucinogens if not properly prepared can be quite damaging, many mystics and shamans will tell you that.

[merlincove]

Them def help break the rules of the matrix program, and i would suggest that anyone who wants to peer into the truth of reality gives them a go. Tis a good thing to remember tho that learning to swim is a progressive thing and you can't expect to get into the deep end the first time round :cool:

[redheat]

Well said, these are teacher plants and should be used for insight and enlightenment. However what also disturbs me is that dmt, shrooms etc have become a trendy gimmick for shallow folk who seem to think they can take a trip to enlightenment, take a hallucinogen and come out the other side as an enlightened and better person.

I actually believe that certain spiritual practises will release your own dmt and that using hallucinogens if not properly prepared can be quite damaging, many mystics and shamans will tell you that.

I totally agree with the statement. This is my point of view from my own experiences and advice on 'mind altering drugs'.

I usually take a trip when it 'feels' ready and i can answer the questions i cannot answer in my normal state of mind. I usually take them alone and have amazing trips and i know i am in full control. Or as full as i can get!

Mind altering drugs enhance ALL of your scenes and your mind no longer relies on reason and logic 'automatically'. These two scenes are still there but are over powered. You will have to take control of them and choose.

Once your senses are enhanced you can then proceed with your trip and get what ever you want out it for instance enlightenment or just a good time.

A recurring statement that comes from my inner voice from when i take the mind altering drugs is there a gift and don't abuse them. If you must take them then make sure you understand and are in control. If you cannot understand what is going on you will mess your head up and it will be your own fault. My inner voice has this view on them, while it does not condone me using drugs it would prefer me not to. And it would prefer me to get to the state of mind by natural force.

A conclusion i have come to even before using mind altering drugs is WE ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. I am referring to questions of your life and not a text book.

You ask a question and deep down you will know answer. Whether you want to admit it or agree or face up to it is another matter.

Peace.:cool:

[quetzalcoatl]

Well said, these are teacher plants and should be used for insight and enlightenment. However what also disturbs me is that dmt, shrooms etc have become a trendy gimmick for shallow folk who seem to think they can take a trip to enlightenment, take a hallucinogen and come out the other side as an enlightened and better person.

I actually believe that certain spiritual practises will release your own dmt and that using hallucinogens if not properly prepared can be quite damaging, many mystics and shamans will tell you that.

I agree. :)

Wouldn't worry bout enlightenment tho.. for it has many a 'back doors' that will swiftly sweep away the less than genuine seeker.. :)

[siliconpsychosis]

Hallucinogenics are useful mentally stable or otherwise. If you have a 'bad trip' no doubt you will still learn a great deal (about your soul)

Whats to fear? Insanity at most and even that has only happened to a small minority.

[rowan22]

In my experience Mushrooms particularly have been a real help in overcoming the conditioning we all go through. Had my first lot when I was thirteen some twenty eight years ago!!.

All I would say is what has been said by many already. Be careful who you are with, where you are and better to be avoided if you are in crisis.

I know there is an argument for a "baptism by fire" but on balance I would say that it is better to be respectful of your own vulnerability at the start as this translates well as to the experience as a whole in my experience.

Learning to care for ourselves and each other is after all where the peak experiences are to be had. You may have to face some pain so be prepared, and learn something of the language of metaphors and symbolism of poetry/ Mythology always helped me to feel grounded as much of what you will see will be the language of the right hemisphere, not all, but for me at least.

Beyond that you can't prepare which is really the point in taking the inner exploration the doors will be flung open and then it is up to the individual to assimilate the treasures.

[brainfreeze]

I am not psychologically stable :(
So I've been putting it off.
I have a therapist and everything, and I was going to ask her if she thought there were any hallucinogenic drugs out there that would be helpful, then I realized she's a fucking therapist, and there's no one she's going to advocate drug use.
I think it could teach me about myself. Or I might go crazy and kill myself. I don't know I guess it'd be best to be around good friends if I did try it.

I'd suggest you don't try it. Take good care of your mental health, when you're feeling more stable, in control and really comfortable with who you are then maybe consider it then.

[dreamweaver]

Well said, these are teacher plants and should be used for insight and enlightenment. However what also disturbs me is that dmt, shrooms etc have become a trendy gimmick for shallow folk who seem to think they can take a trip to enlightenment, take a hallucinogen and come out the other side as an enlightened and better person.

I actually believe that certain spiritual practises will release your own dmt and that using hallucinogens if not properly prepared can be quite damaging, many mystics and shamans will tell you that.

There's a lot of the shallow use of hallucinogenics going around at the moment, especially with salvia divinorum.

[unusual_suspect]

I agree. :)

Wouldn't worry bout enlightenment tho.. for it has many a 'back doors' that will swiftly sweep away the less than genuine seeker.. :)

There's a lot of the shallow use of hallucinogenics going around at the moment, especially with salvia divinorum.

Well, I just think it has become a trendy and rather lazy route to spiritual enlightenment, what people don't realise that these "short cuts" are not always a good thing. It is a well documented fact that Hitler used peyote to accelerate his development - says it all really.

Saying that, I belong to an esoteric order and taking drugs for spiritual development is frowned upon. I am not saying it's a bad thing and when these teacher plants are used wisely that is great The whole trendy thing just makes a mockery of something that is deeply scared.

I know a lady who has just booked an ayahusaca retreat, because she knows other people that have done it and she has to keep up with the latest trends :confused: It is precisely this sort of attitude that I find a little odd.

[tejas]

Well, I just think it has become a trendy and rather lazy route to spiritual enlightenment, what people don't realise that these "short cuts" are not always a good thing. It is a well documented fact that Hitler used peyote to accelerate his development - says it all really.

Saying that, I belong to an esoteric order and taking drugs for spiritual development is frowned upon. I am not saying it's a bad thing and when these teacher plants are used wisely that is great The whole trendy thing just makes a mockery of something that is deeply scared.

I know a lady who has just booked an ayahusaca retreat, because she knows other people that have done it and she has to keep up with the latest trends :confused: It is precisely this sort of attitude that I find a little odd.

Why is taking drugs frowned upon in this spiritual order? Shamans have always used all kinds of psychadelics for their education.

[mauviene]

Why is taking drugs frowned upon in this spiritual order? Shamans have always used all kinds of psychadelics for their education.

Because the "spiritual order" is a fraud.

And just and adviser to those who are interested..

language is a powerful tool.so.use it wisely..

Hallucinogen is a bad word..entheogen is much better

[slodave]

no fear, and dont listen to these paranoid yuppies that seem to surround this forum with their so called all knowing advise. a dose or five of this or that wont help you. my advise to you for a proven route to inner peace and self realization, using "psychedelics" as a helpful tool to acheive complete true inner peace, peyote/mescaline is a good way to go. be sincere, open and trusting, become involved, as if a "communion" of sorts. you will be a happy camper. again, these so called, "experts" and their paranoid so called "advise" to you are scared wannabees who had a bad trip on some dirty street acid one time aren't qualified to give advise. if you have access to some sandoz L-25 (fat chance) , a few sessions with that, or compariable( fat chance) could be very helpful to a troubled mind/heart, for some knowledge/history/reading try the peyote foundation website, or the albert hoffman foundation website, or read some carlos castaneda to all you "experienced" advisors go to a subject you know a little something about. now what.

[epic fail guy]

Drugs are bad mmmmmmmmkay.

[pedsi]

Set and setting are key!...If you mess around with them,they will mess with you.:)

[slodave]

whatever

[slodave]

after several mega-doses, i believe mushrooms to be too "dark" for my tastes. peyote involvement would be the healthier choice for positive realizations. life/mind/heart all good, ask an indian. one reporters opinion...

[slodave]

peyote not shrooms

[metacomet]

Well, I read this far. Might as well say something.

If you were meant to take a trip in your life than you will.

There's no such thing as people taking trips that they shouldn't have taken. If you trip out in the middle of a drunken party and have the worst experience in your life - that was meant to happen and you better take stock of the lesson given to you.

Most people are incapable of inspecting their own day to day life for spiritual significance, sometimes you can't expect them to handle a trip and take anything valuable from it.

There are two different kinds of trips, the one where you remain conscious in this dimension while other dimensions seep through (called visuals) and the ones where you experience complete ego loss and sense of self and are basically shot through multiple dimensions. These are the kind of experiences that are difficult to describe and will shake a person up real bad if they are not spiritually prepared.

[kingmob]

Well, I read this far. Might as well say something.

If you were meant to take a trip in your life than you will.

There's no such thing as people taking trips that they shouldn't have taken. If you trip out in the middle of a drunken party and have the worst experience in your life - that was meant to happen and you better take stock of the lesson given to you.

Most people are incapable of inspecting their own day to day life for spiritual significance, sometimes you can't expect them to handle a trip and take anything valuable from it.

There are two different kinds of trips, the one where you remain conscious in this dimension while other dimensions seep through (called visuals) and the ones where you experience complete ego loss and sense of self and are basically shot through multiple dimensions. These are the kind of experiences that are difficult to describe and will shake a person up real bad if they are not spiritually prepared.

Very true words.

I would also add that if you are thinking about doing this, that means you are getting closer to being ready and most likely you will end up with an experience at some point in the near future.

[metacomet]

I would also add that if you are thinking about doing this, that means you are getting closer to being ready and most likely you will end up with an experience at some point in the near future.

Absolutely.

Although it has a seedy reputation, 'drug use' is one of many common indicators that a person has reached a point of curiosity about their own consciousness.

This is dangerous to the system, obviously. First of all : if you take an illegal drug you are ritualistically shaking off the invisible chains of the law. You realize that although you have just smoked pot (or something) there are no police banging down your door and Satan hasn't dragged you to hell.

This blows open most peoples way of thinking and allows them to inspect reality itself in a different way. Again... dangerous to the system!

[jake49]

this is about my experiance of my 3rd and final magic mushroom experiance.most of the stuff that happend in the trip was pretty bizarre as u can imagine, but one thing that stuck with me happend wen i was out of it the person i did them with thought i was gonna die i was od. I was totally unaware of my surroundins and my experiance was with a reptillian entity, benelovent. it told me to continue researchin wot is goin on in the world today. the government the secret goverment etc etc. at that time i started to think the things iv learnt from david icke chris everard etc may not be true, at first in the days after the trip i didnt fink much of it, put it down to experiance and got over wot was quite a traumatic experiance. after a few weeks the reptillian experiance was pasted all over my mind so o followed the instruction and looked deeper into the info thats out there not just on the net but in everyday life symbols etc, i explain one in another thread in the symbology section. anyway im still unsure wether a trip hold any real significance on real life but there is a lot of people that say different, what are your opinions on halluciogens and the opening of our minds. e g ayahuasca/dmt/shrooms etc

About 10+ years ago I smoked weed from time to time and also took something called dextromathorphinhydrobromide, which in western countries is not allowed to be made in medication like cough suppressants, as it gets abused. My parents are English, but I was born in Bahrain in the middle east and lived and studied in Saudi Arabia for some time.

We nick named dextromathorphinhyrdobromide "T"... it's name was Tousilar. If you take 10-20, typical effects are a 'buzzing' feeling where your eyes widen a bit and everything you do is exciting and a bit of a mission (in a good way)... Your senses of touch, taste, sight and smell widen...
In excess of 10-20... where some times 60-80... or even 120+ for some people... We did this thing which we called, "Tunnels"... You lay down prostrate, on a sofa or on the floor... and can begin to enter a very visual experience of what feels like physically moving through colorful tunnels... but as you continue... you can go wherever you like, as if developing control like you would e.g. learn a new instrument. Your sense of a physical body was gone... and could move in whatever shape or form you liked, also shaping your environment with as much detail as you liked.

When you choose to come out of this experience... there's the most strange experience... as you become conscious on the e.g. sofa you're laying on... but you have to wait a few seconds... as visibly everything is in place.... but it feels like you're body is unwinding itself... none of it is uncomfortable... but it's like your body is another form and you have to wait a few seconds for it to come back into form.

Very 'trippy'...

I used to write things down about having access to the rest of our mind which we don't use... and go on about it being the key to a higher level of consciousness.... But I know now that it isn't... I came to the conclusion 10 years ago, that anything you acquire with hallucinogenic drugs... as in knowledge, understanding, experience...... if you perceived that to be like riches... My conclusion is that in relation to it's usefulness to life, living, experiencing... it's the equivalent of having stock piles of gold.... except you're in the middle of the desert and it's completely useless.

I believe that an exploration of anything, through the use of hallucinogenic drugs has very high chance of it being NOT beneficial to personal development and seeking consciousness and truth. The longer term effects, if not stopped at the right time, like I did... can be very detrimental to all levels of health in the different parts of your being.

The richness and abundance of love and life and consciousness can be found without the use of hallucinogenic drugs... and in my limited experience and opinion... I would say that there is no situation where seeking such things can be truely found through the use of hallucinogenic drugs... I believe it will only eventually lead to negative things which create negative experiences.

Without taking this saying too far out of context, "What goes up, must come down". A period of months of years taking hallucinogenic drugs may seem like a positive experience in the beginning and middle, but it does end with a 'come down'...

[unusual_suspect]

Why is taking drugs frowned upon in this spiritual order? Shamans have always used all kinds of psychadelics for their education.

Because the "spiritual order" is a fraud.

And just and adviser to those who are interested..

language is a powerful tool.so.use it wisely..

Hallucinogen is a bad word..entheogen is much better

Shamans are taught their art by another shaman, they don't just think - I know I'll take some shrooms today cause I hear they are really spiritual, there is a lot more to it than that. Most shamans will tell you that this is not something to be taken lightly and you can achive the end results through various means.

And the reason these are frowned upon in this particular order is because you actually don't need entheogens to activate you pineal gland and achieve altered states, I for one prefer to do this through medtiation and various rituals.

If you want to ingest various substances to reach those states it is entirely up to you. Why bash me for my spiritual practices if you are all so enlightened from taking your entheogens :p

[mauviene]

Shamans are taught their art by another shaman, they don't just think - I know I'll take some shrooms today cause I hear they are really spiritual, there is a lot more to it than that. Most shamans will tell you that this is not something to be taken lightly and you can achive the end results through various means.

And the reason these are frowned upon in this particular order is because you actually don't need entheogens to activate you pineal gland and achieve altered states, I for one prefer to do this through medtiation and various rituals.

If you want to ingest various substances to reach those states it is entirely up to you. Why bash me for my spiritual practices if you are all so enlightened from taking your entheogens :p

I'm not bashing you or your mediation rituals. I'm just pointing out that the reason these substances are still stigmatized by the inquisition is because they are much better for reaching those fabled states than mediation alone is.

[unusual_suspect]

I'm not bashing you or your mediation rituals. I'm just pointing out that the reason these substances are still stigmatized by the inquisition is because they are much better for reaching those fabled states than mediation alone is.

Cool, I'm not bashing anyone for theirs. I just think that entheogens have become a part of a certain scene and people just think they are the thing to do and do them because other people are doing them. Taking them a couple of times does not make you a better person or a shaman, this is a constant ongoing process and a lifes work.

Hell, I have taken them and had spiritual experiences, however I realise that there is more to spiritual development then taking a certain substance, I supose I just wanted to point out that there are no quick fixes, it is a constant evolution.

[gods sun]

i tried amanita muscaria didnt do anything till iheard you have to drink your own urine 5 times till it works?

amanita muscaria is all to do with christmas so funny when you see people not understanding why there wearing red and white hats lol

there all mushrooms lol.

makes me laugh, o its about jesus lol give me a break you look like a shroom santa was a shaman, houses where coverd with snow so the main exit was chimney lol.

why the mushrooms on the cards as well in easter.

[metacomet]

Excellent post tejas.

I have likewise determined that while on psychedelics you seem to know everything but there is the distinct impression that this knowingness is not meant for our regular state of mind and so when we return to normal reality, even though we may have known fantastic things during the trip, those things are now impossible to translate into regular life.

I have theorized many times that what we come across in psychedelic trips is extra dimensional intelligence which, obviously, is difficult to bring back with us to this dimension.

Shamans are taught their art by another shaman, they don't just think - I know I'll take some shrooms today cause I hear they are really spiritual, there is a lot more to it than that. Most shamans will tell you that this is not something to be taken lightly and you can achive the end results through various means.

Absolutely.

I was telling someone special last night about a conversation I had with a fellow around a campfire and he told me about how he had been taking mushrooms for years (abusing them). At a certain point the mushrooms stopped being fun and started to deliberately frighten him. He feared for his soul so he sought the advice of a medicine man. The medicine man told him the mushrooms were not joking around and to stop abusing them...

I asked him if he had done them afterwards and he said yes, he pushed his luck one more time and the mushrooms thoroughly ripped him apart and told him never to return in this life again, that he had learned everything he could in this incarnation.

[infinite_consciousness]

I've always wanted to try ayahuasca or dmt. Not for kicks, but for a spiritual cleansing and journey. Any Shaman's out there want to help me out!! :)

[rowan22]

I've often felt the experience similar to looking through a microscope and then through a telescope, a widening of focus which opens consciousness to an immediate apprehension of existence.

The insights which seem universal and which are often lost afterwards feel to be due to this narrowing of focus back into the individuals own consciousness.

Something within the mind? throws off its constraints of consensus reality and is free to allow the stream of consciousness to open up to a far greater degree. Allowing things which seem like intractable problems to evaporate when seen against the background of this much wider field of experiencing.

The old saying about "getting things in perspective" seems apt as much of the life and death angst we can have surrenders to the sense of limitless peace which is above/below the level of our conscious experience.