Can a Freeman travel overseas?

[shane]

I'm really excited by the idea of becoming a fully-fledged Freeman-on-the land, as I think this movement will be fatal to the NWO. There's just one thing I'm concerned about losing - my passport.

I love travelling and I really don't want to be stuck in the UK for the rest of my days.

I'm sure this point will have been raised before, I've been scanning the posts in this forum, but I haven't been able to find anyone asking this question directly. Can anyone tell me if foreign travel is possible when you have become a freeman?

Thanks.

[yozhik]

I'm really excited by the idea of becoming a fully-fledged Freeman-on-the land, as I think this movement will be fatal to the NWO. There's just one thing I'm concerned about losing - my passport.

I love travelling and I really don't want to be stuck in the UK for the rest of my days.

I'm sure this point will have been raised before, I've been scanning the posts in this forum, but I haven't been able to find anyone asking this question directly. Can anyone tell me if foreign travel is possible when you have become a freeman?

Thanks.

Doesn't your post confirm that we are enslaved?
Consider the significance of your words,

There's just one thing I'm concerned about losing - my passport.

I love travelling and I really don't want to be stuck in the UK for the rest of my days.

Is this not the definition of slavery?
Confined to the UK "plantation" and only free to travel beyond its fenceline if given permission by your master and holding papers issued and owned by your master?

Oh ... and if you "dare" escape and attempt to travel beyong the plantations boundaries without the correct paperwork, you get returned to your master and punished for your impudence.

Check the Slavery Convention 1926 ... this is one of the primary indications that slavery exists.

Its absurd.

[merlincove]

You don't have to give up your passport unless you want to. You are ruling your life with your rules, not theirs, if you want a passport and are willing to accept the cost of that passport then why should you give it up as a freeman?

Every man and woman has equal right under common law. If Joe public can have a passport then so can you.

Is there anything stopping you becoming MR. JOE PUBLIC when you fancy a holliday, and being Joe: of the Public familly when you dont?

[tien an]

Had a bad night, yozhik?

Go easy on shane, as things have changed in the few short months that we've been looking into this/posting on this forum.
There are a few options open to him; as pointed out by merlincove he can have a passport in his 'JOE BLOGGS' name if he wants to.
He could also go the whole nine yards and renounce all ties with the 'authorities' and make his own contact with the embassy of the country in question.
I've looked into the Hague Convention 51 (Article 51?), and I seem to remember that it pertains to refugees.
I can't remember (yozhik), if that's the Article that the Apostille option was based upon?
And, although I know less about this option, there's the (notarised) Family Bible.

All this should be researched yourself, shane, and I hope the subjects I mentioned above will help in a search of the threads of this (and other) forums.

tien an.

[yozhik]

Had a bad night, yozhik?

Go easy on shane, as things have changed in the few short months that we've been looking into this/posting on this forum.

My apologies if this was misconstrued as me "having a go" at the OP ... certainly not intended.

Whenever the subject of passports is raised, I always have a bad night :)
One of those topics that just makes my skin crawl.
The absolute arrogrance and gaul of it all ... for some trumped up fucking bureaucrat to even think it possible that they can dictate to me that I have to carry their papers in order for me to travel outside a border is fucking preposterous, arrogant, degrading and insulting at the highest degree.

... and with what is happening in the financial world, I can see the time in the very near future - certainly in my lifetime - when we will all be chipped, there will be a cashless world and our movements will be 100% controlled and monitored.

I'm livid ... and also scared for my daughters.

[shane]

Thank you for the info tien an and merlincove, much appreciated.

Yozhik, I realise the irony of asking if a Freeman is "allowed" to do something, it sounds ridiculous I know. However, from a practical point of view, I heard John Harris saying that he had found a way to have his original birth cert destroyed and that he was going to completely remove his "person".

Now, supposing you did this and then your passport ran out. You wouldn't be able to get a new one right?

I was just wondering what my options were if I went to the same lengths as JH. For the record I was never planning to stop travelling, I'd get a fake passport from the black market if necessary.

[rosix]

get an International Family Certificate and you can travel to and from all countries that recognise the Hague Convention - one time payment of like £20 or whatever it'll cost you to get your Family Certificate/Family Book 'legalised', instead of the extortionate payment plan we've been put on with our passports :)

if planning of using a 'fake' passport or something like that, make sure you know your shit inside out so that you can't get fucked for anything

[shane]

get an International Family Certificate and you can travel to and from all countries that recognise the Hague Convention - one time payment of like £20 or whatever it'll cost you to get your Family Certificate/Family Book 'legalised', instead of the extortionate payment plan we've been put on with our passports :)

That's really good to know, thank you rosix.





if planning of using a 'fake' passport or something like that, make sure you know your shit inside out so that you can't get fucked for anything

Yeah, good advice. I like going to Australia, the only thing I don't like about that country is the people at passport control, they make the Americans look easy going! They're always looking for any excuse probe you :eek:

[cacadores]

Is this not the definition of slavery?


No. Look it up in a dictionary:rolleyes:,

[cacadores]

get an International Family Certificate and you can travel to and from all countries that recognise the Hague Convention - one time payment of like £20

The myth continues.

Nice try, but there's no such thing as an International Family Certificate which can replace a passport. Why do people believe this stuff?

[yozhik]

No. Look it up in a dictionary:rolleyes:,

I prefer the 1926 Convention on Slavery as a guide :D

The convention listed fundamental identifiers of slavery; those things which identified a master/slave relationship existed and were contrary to the international treaties abolishing slavery. One of these fundamental identifiers was a "pass" which restricts the movement of the slave and ensures the slave's safe return to the master if the slave is found outside of the property boundaries.

[Ian2day]

The myth continues.

Nice try, but there's no such thing as an International Family Certificate which can replace a passport. Why do people believe this stuff?

Nice try, however I would agree that an IFC can not replace a passport. A passport is crown property. An IFC or family book is not issued or owned by the crown. So these documents are not the same as a passport, so one can not replace the other.

[tien an]

get an International Family Certificate and you can travel to and from all countries that recognise the Hague Convention - one time payment of like £20 or whatever it'll cost you to get your Family Certificate/Family Book 'legalised', instead of the extortionate payment plan we've been put on with our passports :)

if planning of using a 'fake' passport or something like that, make sure you know your shit inside out so that you can't get fucked for anything

Hi rosix,

I'd have another look at the Hague Convention (51) as I'm sure it pertains to refugees.
Please correct me if I'm wrong...I'm interested too.

Heavenly Peace.
tien an.

[ram6ler]

I searched for the family certificate and found this

http://www.translatecertificates.com/documents.asp?doc=FamCert

http://www.ogg.infm.it/Info/coming.html

So the certificate is referenced, but where do you find out more?????????

By the way I searched using scroogle, and only five results were returned!

[girlgye]

I searched for the family certificate and found this

http://www.translatecertificates.com/documents.asp?doc=FamCert

http://www.ogg.infm.it/Info/coming.html

So the certificate is referenced, but where do you find out more?????????

By the way I searched using scroogle, and only five results were returned!

To my knowledge no Freeman or woman has done this. You can contact the embassy and it takes two years for them to consider.

[Ian2day]

I expect that an International Family Certificate is issued by an organisation for an ethnic group which is recognised by the Hague, you need a connection to one of the groups. Where as a family book or Bible is issued by a Church Parish and it lists the members of your family as known to that Parish. Then with a letter provided from an administrative body such as the CommonWealth and Foreign Office, EU, UN or Nato stating that they recognise your right. To cross borders unhindered, under said treaty at the Hague, would be presented, if you was stopped by border control.

Can people not reverse engineer it or something. Start with what you require and who has the authority or the right to issue you with it. Simples innit. This info is worth a lot to anyone who wants to live and work in the EU. It might just be a simple case of showing a certified copy of said hague treaty when entering a country. There is an easy way to check if it works, and that is to get all the documents and then use a passport to leave a country, and see if they let you back in with just the other bits of paper as mentioned above.