Eating

[lostinstrangeworld]

Does anyone ever think about how it is strange that we, as infinite beings, need to keep eating to maintain our strength?

Even more strange and gruesome is the nature of things, of what we call the food chain. That a beautiful being must take the life of another beautiful being in order to sustain itself.
Have we been fed a lie?

Do you think its ok for people to eat animals, that people are superior and that animals don't feel as humans do?
(If I know anything, then I know with all my heart that animals DO feel what we feel...even if they think differently).

Or is it a poisonous lie that keeps this dreadful cycle of life, death and competition going....not to mention famine, pain, disease etc. (At the end of the day disease is just another form of life trying to make its way...in a reality where parasitic principles are accepted and therefore perpetuated....consciousness itself governs life, not the other way around).

If people stopped eating animals, then maybe something would happen on an energetic level to the whole of nature, resulting in an energetic shift which would then change the "savage garden" into a beautiful Eden?


Does anybody hear me?!

Where are you?!

[cafetimes1991]

Excellent post. I wish I could live off the sun's rays. Or not even have to live off the sun's rays.
The food-chain is indeed disturbing to think about. It really shows us the horro that is the Matrix.
I haven't really noticed any change since I became a vegetarian a few years ago. But maybe if we all did it?

[lostinstrangeworld]

And please...before anyone starts going on about plants....I want to say that I agree....in an ideal world we would not eat plant but be fruitarians.....or even live on light.

But apart from that, one only needs to listen to their own intuition.....yes, plants have a consciousness too but not a nervous system in the way animals do...there is also some evidence they are able to unconscious when they realize they are going to be picked/ used for food, etc.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Excellent post. I wish I could live off the sun's rays. Or not even have to live off the sun's rays.
The food-chain is indeed disturbing to think about. It really shows us the horror that is the Matrix.
I haven't really noticed any change since I became a vegetarian a few years ago. But maybe if we all did it?

I think about it all the time. Maybe I would be a lot happier if I became fully vegan and started mixing with vegans. But at the same time, I have felt in the past I don't "belong" with them either....I hate the puritanical attitude of some of them- I personally understand that some people simply aren't able to feel the way I do about animals or if they do, believe we are capable of changing anything.

It seems I don't fit in or belong anywhere. :(

[mila]

Does anyone ever think about how it is strange that we, as infinite beings, need to keep eating to maintain our strength?

Even more strange and gruesome is the nature of things, of what we call the food chain. That a beautiful being must take the life of another beautiful being in order to sustain itself.
Have we been fed a lie?

Do you think its ok for people to eat animals, that people are superior and that animals don't feel as humans do?
(If I know anything, then I know with all my heart that animals DO feel what we feel...even if they think differently).

Or is it a poisonous lie that keeps this dreadful cycle of life, death and competition going....not to mention famine, pain, disease etc. (At the end of the day disease is just another form of life trying to make its way...in a reality where parasitic principles are accepted and therefore perpetuated....consciousness itself governs life, not the other way around).

If people stopped eating animals, then maybe something would happen on an energetic level to the whole of nature, resulting in an energetic shift which would then change the "savage garden" into a beautiful Eden?


Does anybody hear me?!

Where are you?!


So true. No way the food chain is from the True source of all life.
I believe it was created by the satanic consiousness.
I remember thinking this as a child, well, not in those words :), how horrific it is. I mean, the cruelty, the fear, hate, murder, the separation-humans-animals (as if humans are 'above' animals) And parasites. What's the use of parasites?

I have been a vegetarian for eight years now and allthough I hardly ate meat before that, I felt that energetic shift inside of me. Maybe that's also from the shift in thinking and awareness as well. I believe we can even change our DNA that way and if we all realize what and how this consiousness has been controlling us, there can be a total shift, I'm sure!

[hunter77]

even if we stopped eating animals, theyd still eat each other kill each and rip each other appart thats is nature, it allways will be survival of the fittest.
your looking at it from a human perspective . nice human idealist dream but as far from nature as you can get.

[lostinstrangeworld]

even if we stopped eating animals, theyd still eat each other kill each and rip each other appart thats is nature, it allways will be survival of the fittest.
your looking at it from a human perspective . nice human idealist dream but as far from nature as you can get

I'm talking about it from a quantum perspective also.....energy/ consciousness/ our ability to change things.

I don't mean to offend anyone who hunts- hunting is far more humane than eating a battery farmed animal or one that's been crammed in a lorry to be taken to the slaughterhouse, etc.

If I was out in the sticks somewhere right now with my kids and starving, of course I'd give in and eat whatever there was....but I wouldn't feel good about it.....

My point is....thee has to be another way.

We humans have powers to create/ transmute life.....don't we??

P.s. :eek: Last edited by hunter77; 16-05-2009 at 11:11 AM.

[lostinstrangeworld]

So true. No way the food chain is from the True source of all life.
I believe it was created by the satanic consiousness.
I remember thinking this as a child, well, not in those words :), how horrific it is. I mean, the cruelty, the fear, hate, murder, the separation-humans-animals (as if humans are 'above' animals) And parasites. What's the use of parasites?

I have been a vegetarian for eight years now and allthough I hardly ate meat before that, I felt that energetic shift inside of me. Maybe that's also from the shift in thinking and awareness as well. I believe we can even change our DNA that way and if we all realize what and how this consiousness has been controlling us, there can be a total shift, I'm sure!

I feel the same.

[hunter77]

I'm talking about it from a quantum perspective also.....energy/ consciousness/ our ability to change things.

I don't mean to offend anyone who hunts- hunting is far more humane than eating a battery farmed animal or one that's been crammed in a lorry to be taken to the slaughterhouse, etc.

If I was out in the sticks somewhere right now with my kids and starving, of course I'd give in and eat whatever there was....but I wouldn't feel good about it.....

My point is....thee has to be another way.

We humans have powers to create/ transmute life.....don't we??

P.s. :eek: Last edited by hunter77; 16-05-2009 at 11:11 AM.

we could quite easily live without eating animals agreed, but i dont see how this would change the animal kingdom for the better. animals have evolved to predate on each other, some need life to sustain there own, i cant see anyway round this no matter what we do. we are not bigger than nature just part of it even if we are infinite

[lostinstrangeworld]

But we have the ability to think and to create......

[lostinstrangeworld]

Synchronistically, I'm just listening to.......

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/dicke6.htm

[margaretr]

Synchronistically, I'm just listening to.......

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/dicke6.htm

I have seen that video - he explains why we and other animals, kill and eat.
I was vegetarian for about 7 years and recall how my mouth felt clean when no blood ever passed my lips.

However vegans and vegetarians take a risk of getting vitamin B12 deficiency disease which is the underlying factor in the often wrong diagnosis of MS and Altzheimers, to name just two!
For many people eggs, cheese and spirolina are inadequate sources of B12.
I know what I am talking about - I am self treating my B12 deficiency - my health has improved dramatically in the 10 months I have been doing it.

[lostinstrangeworld]

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[lostinstrangeworld]

I have seen that video - he explains why we and other animals, kill and eat.


Wow, he does! I'm loving this interview! (I often multi task when watching something) ;)

Synchronicity!

[lostinstrangeworld]

My Myspace profile is all about this by the way:

www.myspace.com/crystalship007

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.myspace.com/dellydoolittle

[delamo1999]

I believe that it is possible for all humans to live solely on the breath of life and the rays of the sun. However we have been brainwashed from the crib that we need such and such vitamins and supplements to survive, including vitamin B12. The big reason for all of this is to support the multibilllion dollar pharmacuedical and supplement industry. Lets face it, if the masses were to stop buying supplements, these industries would go bankrupt. So the conjure up stories that are supposedly backed up by statistical studies to get us to go out to GNC and buy expensive supplements.

I also believe that the more that we raise our vibrations, the less we are going to need to supplement our bodies. Don't buy into the bs that doing energy work on yourself and others drains your physical body of nutrients such as calcium. This is another lie to keep the big pharm businesses alive. There are yogis and other spiritual people living on this planet who are breathenarians and are totally healthy.

[hunter77]

I believe that it is possible for all humans to live solely on the breath of life and the rays of the sun. However we have been brainwashed from the crib that we need such and such vitamins and supplements to survive, including vitamin B12. The big reason for all of this is to support the multibilllion dollar pharmacuedical and supplement industry. Lets face it, if the masses were to stop buying supplements, these industries would go bankrupt. So the conjure up stories that are supposedly backed up by statistical studies to get us to go out to GNC and buy expensive supplements.

I also believe that the more that we raise our vibrations, the less we are going to need to supplement our bodies. Don't buy into the bs that doing energy work on yourself and others drains your physical body of nutrients such as calcium. This is another lie to keep the big pharm businesses alive. There are yogis and other spiritual people living on this planet who are breathenarians and are totally healthy.



so your saying our physical body can survive without food and water?

[margaretr]

I believe that it is possible for all humans to live solely on the breath of life and the rays of the sun. However we have been brainwashed from the crib that we need such and such vitamins and supplements to survive, including vitamin B12. The big reason for all of this is to support the multibilllion dollar pharmacuedical and supplement industry. Lets face it, if the masses were to stop buying supplements, these industries would go bankrupt. So the conjure up stories that are supposedly backed up by statistical studies to get us to go out to GNC and buy expensive supplements.

I also believe that the more that we raise our vibrations, the less we are going to need to supplement our bodies. Don't buy into the bs that doing energy work on yourself and others drains your physical body of nutrients such as calcium. This is another lie to keep the big pharm businesses alive. There are yogis and other spiritual people living on this planet who are breathenarians and are totally healthy.


'Big Pharma' products caused my illness.
I am using vitamin and mineral supplements to restore my body to proper biological function.
The producers of food supplements are mostly independant of pharmacological companies, and as more people are getting well using food supplements (like me:D) big pharma profits are threatened.
Hence - Codex Alimenatius = attempt to severly restrict the potency and beneficial effects of natural/alternative medicine
I do not consider that I could have made any recovery using 'mind power' since that had been damaged by pharmacuticals too.:rolleyes:

please consider signing my petition
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Vitamins/

[boots]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/40.gif I was just thinking the other day If the family was starving would i eat the cats.........Mmmm yep.



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SCENE SEVENTEEN
WATERMELON IN EASTER HAY

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER:
This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER...Joe has just worked himself into
an imaginary frenzy during the fade-out of his imaginary song...
He begins to feel depressed now.
He knows the end is near. He has realized
at last that imaginary guitar notes and imaginary vocals exist only in the mind
of The Imaginer ...and ... ultimately, who gives a fuck anyway... Who gives a fuck
anyway? So he goes back to his ugly little room and quietly dreams his last
imaginary guitar solo...


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[boots]

'Big Pharma' products caused my illness.
I am using vitamin and mineral supplements to restore my body to proper biological function.
The producers of food supplements are mostly independant of pharmacological companies, and as more people are getting well using food supplements (like me:D) big pharma profits are threatened.
Hence - Codex Alimenatius = attempt to severly restrict the potency and beneficial effects of natural/alternative medicine
I do not consider that I could have made any recovery using 'mind power' since that had been damaged by pharmacuticals too.:rolleyes:

please consider signing my petition
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Vitamins/

Good post.

Monsanto wants to control our food.

Big Pharma wants to give us drugs and stop the use of mineral and supplements.

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[boots]

we could quite easily live without eating animals agreed, but i dont see how this would change the animal kingdom for the better. animals have evolved to predate on each other, some need life to sustain there own, i cant see anyway round this no matter what we do. we are not bigger than nature just part of it even if we are infinite


I dont think I could. There are some, who's blood group can only assimilate meat as a source of B12.

Thinking in a bigger perspective. The earth needs to keep in balance. What if we all, only ate grass and procreated. Soon there would be nothing left and starvation we be the order of the day.

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[fromthatshow]

Eating is an ego need.

[cheeney1]

I Just Plucked a Duck, And Gutted It, So Now You know whats For Dinner
In The Cheeney House Hold.;)

Roast Duck QUACK QUACK QUACK, Didn't Use an air rifle To Shoot either :rolleyes:

[leviathanstaar]

Eating


We are born into beleife of this firmly so from the moment of the mothers milk.

And then, so it is.

[delamo1999]

'Big Pharma' products caused my illness.
I am using vitamin and mineral supplements to restore my body to proper biological function.
The producers of food supplements are mostly independant of pharmacological companies, and as more people are getting well using food supplements (like me:D) big pharma profits are threatened.
Hence - Codex Alimenatius = attempt to severly restrict the potency and beneficial effects of natural/alternative medicine
I do not consider that I could have made any recovery using 'mind power' since that had been damaged by pharmacuticals too.:rolleyes:

please consider signing my petition
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Vitamins/


Do you even believe in "mind power"? Or is this just science fiction? "Big pharma" did contribute to your illness, but they were not the original cause of it.


so your saying our physical body can survive without food and water?


Yes and it is not "MIND OVER MATTER" either. David had mentioned such people in his books as well.

[hunter77]

Do you even believe in "mind power"? Or is this just science fiction? "Big pharma" did contribute to your illness, but they were not the original cause of it.





Yes and it is not "MIND OVER MATTER" either. David had mentioned such people in his books as well.

well david looks like he eats alot to me, why dont you try it for a couple of months and let me know how you go on:confused:

[hunter77]

I dont think I could. There are some, who's blood group can only assimilate meat as a source of B12.

Thinking in a bigger perspective. The earth needs to keep in balance. What if we all, only ate grass and procreated. Soon there would be nothing left and starvation we be the order of the day.

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sorry boots a meant survive for a while, rather than live happily and heathily. i couldnt or wouldnt want to live without meat( you know that:D)
my point was that the food chain is mother natures way, and no matter what we do we cant change it. i mean could you imagine a vegetarian pike:D

[jolinemaria]

I have been a veggie for the past 15 years. Never been sorry for it.
There might heave been some deficiencies for some time, but that had to do with my mind.
I sincerely believe that we humans can live of air, light & love.
Already people are doing this. Just google Jasmuheen or breatharians. Plenty of beautiful video's on the subject.
I also believe that the animal kingdom will follow our vibrational patterns once we are vibrating on the frequencies of love and no longer those of fear and need.

I watched a vid on a vegetarian cat the other day (can't remember the name of the vid but I thinlk it was postyed on this forum). Really nice. It was veggie all by itself, its 'owner' (sorry for the word owner it is ugly) feeded it meat and fish but it wouldn't touch it.
The bible says someting like that too doesn't it? "And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them."

Rudolf Steiner has said something along these lines: "Don't think you live of food. You live of cosmic vibrations. Your need for denser food is only to remind the body to get its food from the cosmos."
So, in my understanding he is saying that we already live of light, but we don't believe this so we need a trick into believing we are being fed. Once we believe we are taken care of and love and light is there in abundance for all of us, the need for denser food will fall away".

[hunter77]

I have been a veggie for the past 15 years. Never been sorry for it.
There might heave been some deficiencies for some time, but that had to do with my mind.
I sincerely believe that we humans can live of air, light & love.
Already people are doing this. Just google Jasmuheen or breatharians. Plenty of beautiful video's on the subject.
I also believe that the animal kingdom will follow our vibrational patterns once we are vibrating on the frequencies of love and no longer those of fear and need.

I watched a vid on a vegetarian cat the other day (can't remember the name of the vid but I thinlk it was postyed on this forum). Really nice. It was veggie all by itself, its 'owner' (sorry for the word owner it is ugly) feeded it meat and fish but it wouldn't touch it.
The bible says someting like that too doesn't it? "And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them."

Rudolf Steiner has said something along these lines: "Don't think you live of food. You live of cosmic vibrations. Your need for denser food is only to remind the body to get its food from the cosmos."
So, in my understanding he is saying that we already live of light, but we don't believe this so we need a trick into believing we are being fed. Once we believe we are taken care of and love and light is there in abundance for all of us, the need for denser food will fall away".

ok a cat , but how would you expect an animal like a shark to survive on a vege diet. if animals didnt predate on other animals there would be a popution expolsion and theyd all stave to death, the lakes and the rivers would be empty of oxygen due to the masses of fish in them and the plains would be bare from mass overgrazing all life on earth would cease to exist.

[margaretr]

"Big pharma" did contribute to your illness, but they were not the original cause of it.
Oh yes they were - when a doc gives a massive injection of a (now banned) antibiotic just to cure a sore throat, and this results in E-coli and a damaged gut, I know who to blame :mad:

[lottie]

The human body is a beautiful and complex creation.. why can we not just accept that in order for it work beautifully and to its best ability is to eat a diet which compliments it as its designed to do- ie; food.. ie; protein, carbs etc etc... just because of this new age glamour; 'we're a holographic illusion' is this desire to live off light and vibration... even if for instance we are a vibration of energy *insert new age ramblings here* we work best when we eat food and drink water so why are we searching for alternatives? Its a fundamental of being a human being... why is there this incessant desire to constantly be someting else other than appreciating the perfect physical human beings just as we are?!! We're beautifully perfect as we are... :)

The food chain and the way that all the living beings are, work perfectly as they are- so perfect that you take one of these away even to the smallest mosquito and all would collapse... that is amazing in itself... or am i just boring??!! lol!! :D

IF we are infinite beings... we are so in the 'spiritual' sense... not in the physical... this is why we cannot sustain ourselves comfortably or naturally as physical beings by living off light and vibration ... because like it or not- we are physical!

[jolinemaria]

FYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq3Op1ejSP8

[gilly]

Has anyone come across this before?

http://www.angelfire.com/stars3/breathe_light/breatharianism.html

Breatharianism

Living on Light

A breatharian is a person who is nourished by light and has no need for food or drink. Breatharianism is within human potential, but for most it remains dormant. Those who feel drawn to living on light nourishment can activate this potential, but not said that it is an easy task.

One day breatharianism will be widely known and considered the natural thing that it is.

I made this page to: 1 Provide with information about a very interesting subject. 2 Spread information about breatharianism, making it more known and accepted. 3 Try finding a scientific explanation/proof of breatharianism. 4 Share with my perspective and experiences of becoming and being a breatharian. / Hopefully this page is useful!

More here...

http://www.virtuescience.com/breatharian.html

[jolinemaria]

The human body is a beautiful and complex creation.. why can we not just accept that in order for it work beautifully and to its best ability is to eat a diet which compliments it as its designed to do- ie; food.. ie; protein, carbs etc etc... just because of this new age glamour; 'we're a holographic illusion' is this desire to live off light and vibration... even if for instance we are a vibration of energy *insert new age ramblings here* we work best when we eat food and drink water so why are we searching for alternatives? Its a fundamental of being a human being... why is there this incessant desire to constantly be someting else other than appreciating the perfect physical human beings just as we are?!! We're beautifully perfect as we are... :)

The food chain and the way that all the living beings are, work perfectly as they are- so perfect that you take one of these away even to the smallest mosquito and all would collapse... that is amazing in itself... or am i just boring??!! lol!! :D

IF we are infinite beings... we are so in the 'spiritual' sense... not in the physical... this is why we cannot sustain ourselves comfortably or naturally as physical beings by living off light and vibration ... because like it or not- we are physical!

You're not boring :), you are perfectly right.
The body is perfect the way it is now, for this moment.
And the body will be perfect too for the next moment.
And as we are a evolving species, who knows what the next moment might bring? A human race living of light? Why not. They fact that people are already doing this means it is evolutionary possible.
If it comes naturally then that is fine. No need to put it down by labeling it as 'new age glamour'.
If it comes from rejecting the physical plane and the need to escape it then it will not work anyway.

I for one, I eat dense food eat and I enjoy. But I have seen the decrease in bodily need for food in myself. And this is an ongoing process....

[hunter77]

The human body is a beautiful and complex creation.. why can we not just accept that in order for it work beautifully and to its best ability is to eat a diet which compliments it as its designed to do- ie; food.. ie; protein, carbs etc etc... just because of this new age glamour; 'we're a holographic illusion' is this desire to live off light and vibration... even if for instance we are a vibration of energy *insert new age ramblings here* we work best when we eat food and drink water so why are we searching for alternatives? Its a fundamental of being a human being... why is there this incessant desire to constantly be someting else other than appreciating the perfect physical human beings just as we are?!! We're beautifully perfect as we are... :)

The food chain and the way that all the living beings are, work perfectly as they are- so perfect that you take one of these away even to the smallest mosquito and all would collapse... that is amazing in itself... or am i just boring??!! lol!! :D

IF we are infinite beings... we are so in the 'spiritual' sense... not in the physical... this is why we cannot sustain ourselves comfortably or naturally as physical beings by living off light and vibration ... because like it or not- we are physical!

fantastic post, totally brilliant in fact hit the nail smack on the head:)

[hunter77]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jolinemaria
I have been a veggie for the past 15 years. Never been sorry for it.
There might heave been some deficiencies for some time, but that had to do with my mind.
I sincerely believe that we humans can live of air, light & love.
Already people are doing this. Just google Jasmuheen or breatharians. Plenty of beautiful video's on the subject.
I also believe that the animal kingdom will follow our vibrational patterns once we are vibrating on the frequencies of love and no longer those of fear and need.

I watched a vid on a vegetarian cat the other day (can't remember the name of the vid but I thinlk it was postyed on this forum). Really nice. It was veggie all by itself, its 'owner' (sorry for the word owner it is ugly) feeded it meat and fish but it wouldn't touch it.
The bible says someting like that too doesn't it? "And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them."

Rudolf Steiner has said something along these lines: "Don't think you live of food. You live of cosmic vibrations. Your need for denser food is only to remind the body to get its food from the cosmos."
So, in my understanding he is saying that we already live of light, but we don't believe this so we need a trick into believing we are being fed. Once we believe we are taken care of and love and light is there in abundance for all of us, the need for denser food will fall away".

ok a cat , but how would you expect an animal like a shark to survive on a vege diet. if animals didnt predate on other animals there would be a popution expolsion and theyd all stave to death, the lakes and the rivers would be empty of oxygen due to the masses of fish in them and the plains would be bare from mass overgrazing all life on earth would cease to exist.
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"ok, squirrels have lovely fluffy tails and can perform clever tricks to nick the food off your bird table. But they are a damn nuisance, there is plenty of them and they happen to be delicious, I say, lets eat them " HFW


do you have an answer to this jolinemaria?

[lostinstrangeworld]

SCENE SEVENTEEN
WATERMELON IN EASTER HAY

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER:
This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER...Joe has just worked himself into
an imaginary frenzy during the fade-out of his imaginary song...
He begins to feel depressed now.
He knows the end is near. He has realized
at last that imaginary guitar notes and imaginary vocals exist only in the mind
of The Imaginer ...and ... ultimately, who gives a fuck anyway... Who gives a fuck
anyway? So he goes back to his ugly little room and quietly dreams his last
imaginary guitar solo...


http://www.allthelyrics.com:8080/img/music_video.gif More Frank Zappa lyrics with video (http://www.musicbabylon.com/artist/Frank_Zappa.htm)


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Cheers for that. :rolleyes:

[lostinstrangeworld]

I Just Plucked a Duck, And Gutted It, So Now You know whats For Dinner
In The Cheeney House Hold.;)

Roast Duck QUACK QUACK QUACK, Didn't Use an air rifle To Shoot either :rolleyes:

One day you'll see through that duck's eyes and know what it feels like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uz80zTMO40

[lostinstrangeworld]

Hunter777 and Lottie, I agree that we are physical beings at the moment living as part of this "food chain".....but are you content to believe that this is all there is to life, just this ongoing cycle of life, death, pain, joy, suffering, competition, etc?

What David Icke said in his latest interview on CMN made so much sense.

[hunter77]

I Just Plucked a Duck, And Gutted It, So Now You know whats For Dinner
In The Cheeney House Hold.;)

Roast Duck QUACK QUACK QUACK, Didn't Use an air rifle To Shoot either :rolleyes:

well ducks out of season so was there a bit of poaching involved;)

[jolinemaria]

An answer to what?
I won't eat squirrels.
But ff you want to, please do.

[hunter77]

An answer to what?
I won't eat squirrels.
But ff you want to, please do.

sorry, i meant this bit,

ok a cat , but how would you expect an animal like a shark to survive on a vege diet. if animals didnt predate on other animals there would be a popution expolsion and theyd all stave to death, the lakes and the rivers would be empty of oxygen due to the masses of fish in them and the plains would be bare from mass overgrazing all life on earth would cease to exist.
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[lostinstrangeworld]

sorry, i meant this bit,

ok a cat , but how would you expect an animal like a shark to survive on a vege diet. if animals didnt predate on other animals there would be a popution expolsion and theyd all stave to death, the lakes and the rivers would be empty of oxygen due to the masses of fish in them and the plains would be bare from mass overgrazing all life on earth would cease to exist.
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True, but I am talking about changing nature on an energetic level first....there would be a balance but it would be organized differently.....that might be difficult to imagine for us at the moment, but surely in an infinite creation...all things are possible.

[lostinstrangeworld]

I have been a veggie for the past 15 years. Never been sorry for it.
There might heave been some deficiencies for some time, but that had to do with my mind.
I sincerely believe that we humans can live of air, light & love.
Already people are doing this. Just google Jasmuheen or breatharians. Plenty of beautiful video's on the subject.
I also believe that the animal kingdom will follow our vibrational patterns once we are vibrating on the frequencies of love and no longer those of fear and need.

I watched a vid on a vegetarian cat the other day (can't remember the name of the vid but I thinlk it was postyed on this forum). Really nice. It was veggie all by itself, its 'owner' (sorry for the word owner it is ugly) feeded it meat and fish but it wouldn't touch it.
The bible says someting like that too doesn't it? "And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them."

Rudolf Steiner has said something along these lines: "Don't think you live of food. You live of cosmic vibrations. Your need for denser food is only to remind the body to get its food from the cosmos."
So, in my understanding he is saying that we already live of light, but we don't believe this so we need a trick into believing we are being fed. Once we believe we are taken care of and love and light is there in abundance for all of us, the need for denser food will fall away".

Interesting.

[lostinstrangeworld]

SCENE SEVENTEEN
WATERMELON IN EASTER HAY

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER:
This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER...Joe has just worked himself into
an imaginary frenzy during the fade-out of his imaginary song...
He begins to feel depressed now.
He knows the end is near. He has realized
at last that imaginary guitar notes and imaginary vocals exist only in the mind
of The Imaginer ...and ... ultimately, who gives a fuck anyway... Who gives a fuck
anyway? So he goes back to his ugly little room and quietly dreams his last
imaginary guitar solo...


http://www.allthelyrics.com:8080/img/music_video.gif More Frank Zappa lyrics with video (http://www.musicbabylon.com/artist/Frank_Zappa.htm)


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It's probably true that the world is too diverse to change the whole macrocosm of it....but little miracles do still take place in the microcosm.
And why not the macrocosm some day?
We are learning.

[lostinstrangeworld]

I believe that it is possible for all humans to live solely on the breath of life and the rays of the sun. However we have been brainwashed from the crib that we need such and such vitamins and supplements to survive, including vitamin B12. The big reason for all of this is to support the multibilllion dollar pharmacuedical and supplement industry. Lets face it, if the masses were to stop buying supplements, these industries would go bankrupt. So the conjure up stories that are supposedly backed up by statistical studies to get us to go out to GNC and buy expensive supplements.

I also believe that the more that we raise our vibrations, the less we are going to need to supplement our bodies. Don't buy into the bs that doing energy work on yourself and others drains your physical body of nutrients such as calcium. This is another lie to keep the big pharm businesses alive. There are yogis and other spiritual people living on this planet who are breathenarians and are totally healthy.



so your saying our physical body can survive without food and water?

Yes but first one has to acquire the keys.

[lostinstrangeworld]

'Big Pharma' products caused my illness.
I am using vitamin and mineral supplements to restore my body to proper biological function.
The producers of food supplements are mostly independant of pharmacological companies, and as more people are getting well using food supplements (like me:D) big pharma profits are threatened.
Hence - Codex Alimenatius = attempt to severly restrict the potency and beneficial effects of natural/alternative medicine
I do not consider that I could have made any recovery using 'mind power' since that had been damaged by pharmacuticals too.:rolleyes:

please consider signing my petition
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Vitamins/

Thank you for making the petition.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Eating meat to survive is one thing, but the fact that a few people on here who hunt/ skin animals are joking about this (to try and upset me, how childish :rolleyes: ) confirms a theory of mine....
the very act of killing an animal desensitizes the soul to the awareness of our kinship with our fellow creatures.

But if you want to carry on living in a world based on all that, fine....just don't complain if some being comes along and claims it has a right to eat/ exploit YOU.

[boots]

It's probably true that the world is too diverse to change the whole macrocosm of it....but little miracles do still take place in the microcosm.
And why not the macrocosm some day?
We are learning.

It is to diverse to change and this is what makes it a beautiful world. Who says that two realities can't exist on the same plane of imagination.;)

Do you want to push your reality on to other's.


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[lostinstrangeworld]

It is to diverse to change and this is what makes it a beautiful world. Who says that two realities can't exist on the same plane of imagination.;)

Do you want to push your reality on to other's.


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No, but that's the whole point....I don't like the fact that beings are able to abuse the will of other beings....that's what makes this reality a kind of prison.

[hunter77]

Eating meat to survive is one thing, but the fact that a few people on here who hunt/ skin animals are joking about this (to try and upset me, how childish :rolleyes: ) confirms a theory of mine....
the very act of killing an animal desensitizes the soul to the awareness of our kinship with our fellow creatures.

But if you want to carry on living in a world based on all that, fine....just don't complain if some being comes along and claims it has a right to eat/ exploit YOU.

if you were in anyway, refering to me, i wouldnt joke about the death of another creature. i was mearly wondering how he got hold of a duck out of season. sorry if this caused any offence:o having said this someone who kills and prepares there own food is at least taking responsibility for there actions unlike the people who rely on faceless meat, that is the thing that really desensitizes:)

[boots]

No, but that's the whole point....I don't like the fact that beings are able to abuse the will of other beings....that's what makes this reality a kind of prison.

Humans are truly out of touch with reality. There is a difference between abuse of animals and eating animals.

Do we really know the collective will of animals or are we judging from our own reality? The animals know they are going to die and accept that. We as humans dont. we search for ways to extend life, to find that elixir of eternal youth. We ultimately fear death, yet we are the top predator.

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[lostinstrangeworld]

Humans are truly out of touch with reality. There is a difference between abuse of animals and eating animals.

Do we really know the collective will of animals or are we judging from our own reality? The animals know they are going to die and accept that. We as humans dont. we search for ways to extend life, to find that elixir of eternal youth. We ultimately fear death, yet we are the top predator.

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Unless the reptilians exist.


As for animals accepting that they are going to die....I think innately all animals want to survive, don't they? (And what if you kill one that has babies waiting to be fed back at the nest? :( ).
Were things always meant to be this way.....this constant ebb and flow of duality....of peace and war....life and death....joy and pain? Is this all there is? Isn't there more to life than this, or should people like me just shut up, stop dwelling on it and continue to be a part of it, a part of this cycle?

[boots]

Unless the reptilians exist.


As for animals accepting that they are going to die....I think innately all animals want to survive, don't they? (And what if you kill one that has babies waiting to be fed back at the nest? :( ).
Were things always meant to be this way.....this constant ebb and flow of duality....of peace and war....life and death....joy and pain? Is this all there is? Isn't there more to life than this, or should people like me just shut up, stop dwelling on it and continue to be a part of it, a part of this cycle?

Reptilians feed off of our energy.

Of course all want to live for a certain amount time on earth. (What is time? It's a construct of humans) They want time to procreate to further the species.

Yes the universe itself is an ebb and flow, it is gifting new stars and killing stars. It is expanding and when it runs out of energy it will then contract. That's life.

No you shouldn't shut up, thats not right but can you not let it get to you.. For if you do, imo, you feed the reptilian energy.

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[boots]

if you were in anyway, refering to me, i wouldnt joke about the death of another creature. i was mearly wondering how he got hold of a duck out of season. sorry if this caused any offence:o having said this someone who kills and prepares there own food is at least taking responsibility for there actions unlike the people who rely on faceless meat, that is the thing that really desensitizes:)

It's a pity that we wern't all living like this hunter or at least being conscious of where our food comes from and giving gratitude for that life taken. Plants as well;):D

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[lostinstrangeworld]

http://solarhealing.com/sgprocess.htm
~A great link I just found that teaches the process of sungazing :)

We have a super computer in our bodies given to us by the nature, which is our brain. HRM (Hira Ratan Manek) calls it the “brainutor”. The brain is more powerful than the most advanced super computer. Each and every human being is gifted with innumerable talents, and infinite inherent powers by nature. Individuals should never underestimate themselves. Everyone is gifted. If we make use of these powers we can take ourselves to great levels. Unfortunately, these infinite inherent powers are programmed in that part of the brain that is largely dormant and goes unused. Even medical science agrees we hardly make use of the brain but about 5-7% – the most brilliant of humans like Albert Einstein is reported to have used only about 32% of their brains.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Yes the universe itself is an ebb and flow, it is gifting new stars and killing stars. It is expanding and when it runs out of energy it will then contract. That's life.

Something doesn't feel right about the way the world is though.

What is "death"? Energy cannot be created or destroyed.
Perhaps it is possible to go about our experiences in a different manner.
What we call death is merely transformation; perhaps co-creativity can be experienced in other ways allowing for transformation that differ from the cycle of life and what we know of as death here.

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://solarhealing.com/sgprocess.htm

Process
HRM experimented on his own body for three years and devised this method based on trial and error. This can be accomplished by anyone in any part of the world at any time of the year. HRM is not a unique figure and anyone can do this. Now thousands are using this method and achieving results. In Brazil, Australia, Germany, more than 3000 people are subsisting on light. This is a rebirth of a science that was practiced long time ago. Originally this was a spiritual practice in the ancient times and now it is becoming a scientific practice, which can be followed by anyone as described below. Day by day this practice is becoming popular and has become known as the HRM Phenomena.




Safe Sungazing Practice
Sungazing is a one-time practice of your lifetime usually for a period of 9 months. You can break up the practice in three phases. 0 to 3months, 3-6months and 6- 9months. You have to walk barefoot for 45 minutes for the rest of your life. Food makes us commit the maximum pain to others and exploit others. The practice entails looking at the rising or setting sun one time per day only during the safe hours. No harm will come to your eyes during the morning and evening safe hours. The safe hours are anytime within 1-hour window after sunrise or anytime within the 1-hr window before sunset. It is scientifically proven beyond a reasonable doubt that during these times, one is free from UV and IR rays exposure, which is harmful to your eyes. To determine the timings of sunrise or sunset, you can check the local newspaper, which also lists the UV Index as 0 during these times. Both times are good for practice - it depends on individual's convenience. Sungazing also has the added advantage of getting vitamin A and D during the 1-hour safe period window. Vitamin A is necessary for the health of the eye, the only vitamin that the eye requires. If you sun gaze, the spectacles and the associated power in the eye will go away and this will provide better eyesight without glasses.
For those who cannot initially sungaze during the safe periods, sunbathing is an effective method for receiving the sun energy at a slower pace until one is able to sungaze. Best times to take sunbath is when the UV index is lower 2 or below. This usually occurs within the 2-hour window after sunrise or before sunset. Sun bathing during the day is to be avoided, except for during the winter months, when the UV index usually remains at 2 all throughout which is safe for sunbathing. Ccheck your local newspaper to see the published results for UV Index to be sure. Also do not use sunscreen. When body gets heated up you perspire and sweat is a waste product and needs to go out of the body. When you are painted or coated with lotions and creams -- they get degenerated and the chemicals enter your body. It is our malpractice -our wrong use- why we blame the sun for skin cancers.

0 - 3 Months
First day, during the safe hours, look for a maximum of 10 seconds. Second day look for 20 seconds at the rising sun adding ten seconds every succeeding day. So at the end of 10 continuous days of sun gazing you will be looking at the sun for 100 seconds i.e. 1 minute and 40 seconds. Stand on bare earth with bare foot. Eyes can blink and/or flicker. Stillness or Steadiness of the eyes is not required. Do not where any lenses or glasses while sungazing.

Why don't you watch the sun instead of the TV? The intensity of the TV is much more than the rising or setting of the sun. If you can watch TV at close ranges for extended periods of time, you can easily watch the rising or setting sun safely. Have a belief that the sunrays or lights that you are getting into your eyes are of immense benefit and will not harm you. This will give you earlier, quicker and better results. Even without a belief component also you will get the results provided that you follow the practice, however, it will take longer time. On the other hand, you need not restrict any of your normal daily routines. There are no restrictions. You can enjoy your food while applying this practice. Hunger will disappear eventually by itself.

You may consider gazing from the same place at the same time daily. Following circadian patterns has its advantages. If you pray, you can have any prayer of your choice. No particular one is suggested and it is not a requirement. As a precaution, have your eyes examined by a doctor. This is to err on the side of caution from a scientific standpoint. Also, you should have periodic check ups. Additionally, you can buy photo sun-cards to monitor UV and IR radiation, which are priced at about $2. (when cards are kept in the sunlight). There is no need to buy an expensive $500 photosensometer. If your cheeks get heated up then stop gazing. Use common sense.

When you reach three months you will have gazed at the sun 15 minutes at a stretch. If you can watch TV for 3 hours, surely you can see the sun for that long. What is happening as you go up to 15 minutes? The sun energy or the sunrays passing through the human eye are charging the hypothalamus tract, which is the pathway behind the retina leading to the human brain. As the brain receives the power supply through this pathway, it is activated into a brainutor. One of the software programs inherent in the brain will start running and we will begin to realize the changes since we will have no mental tension or worries. Besides, we will have the self-confidence to face life problems by means of developing a positive mindset instead of a negative one. Moreover, we will become fearless since our psychosis will have disappeared so will have all the ills of the mind. This is the first phase of the method and lasts around 3 months.

Humans have good and bad qualities, which are 2 sides of the same coin. In the absence of the sunlight we develop bad qualities. When sunlight enters the brain, good qualities come into appearance replacing bad ones. Eventually, even spiritual ignorance goes away. Sometimes, you get confused from what you hear and read. You get contradictory information such as red wine is good for you and alcohol is bad for you. You are baffled with life's problems and detest decision-making. But after 3 months of sun gazing, you develop a sense of confidence and know the answers for yourself spiritually. There is a balance of the mind, where you are in a position to judge personal answers - the correct answers. You develop powers that are already inherent in you. Bad qualities disappear, anger, greed, jealousy leave you. You become a lovable creature. Everybody likes you. You will do no wrong. If you are positive or fearless, you will not harm anybody nor pain anybody. You will become a compassionate person. This is a great contribution to world peace. A positive approach creates solutions to problems and waste in society. There will be no need for environmental engineers. We won't throw waste, as there is no away. By 3.5 months everything changes.

Besides, mental depression will go away. Psychiatrists are observing that sadness is caused by lack of sunlight. With the practice of sungazing you will not have depression in your whole lifetime. You will achieve a perfect balance of mind. Fear of death will go away. The state of mind is such that you will welcome death. What is to happen, you will be able to let it happen. There will be no worries. Everyone has some sort of mental disorder, which is the biggest human problem, which can be removed by the proper use of sunlight.

3 - 6 Months
Next, Physical diseases will start being cured. 70 to 80% of the energy synthesized from food is taken by the brain and is used up in fueling tensions and worries. With a lack of mental tension, brain does not require the same amount of energy as before. As you proceed in sun gazing and as your tensions decrease the need for food intake will go down.

When you reach 30 minutes duration of continuously looking at sun, you will slowly be liberated from physical disease since by then all the colors of the sun will have reached the brain through the eye. Brain regulates the flow of color prana appropriately to the respective organs. All the internal organs get ample supply of the required color prana. The vital organs are dependent on certain sun color prana. Kidney red, Heart yellow, Liver green etc. Colors reach the organs and address any deficiencies. This is how color therapies work --Reiki and Pranic Healing. There is a lot of information available on color therapy. This is the process of getting liberated from physical ailments over a six-month period. After 3-4 months you can become cured of your physical ailments with autosuggestion, which is imagining and visualizing healing your ailments while gazing at the sun. Scientific methods such as the Solariums, crystals, color bottles, natural stones, gems, all utilize sun energy, which is stored in these natural stones. You can keep natural color stones in drinking water to further hasten healing.

In solariums there is usually a platform at the height of 100 feet where each of the 7 glass cabinets is constructed for each of the VIBGYOR colors. This platform revolves around the sun whole day and according to the nature of the disease diagnosed, the patient is placed in the appropriate color for healing. Similarly, glass drinking water bottles with different colors are kept in sun for 8 hours. The water gets solarized and water develops medicinal value and is used to treat different diseases.

Photosynthesis, which we misunderstand, does not in fact need chlorophyll. Only the plant kingdom needs chlorophyll. Human body can do it with a different medium. Photosynthesis is transforming the sun energy into a usable energy format. This is how Photovoltaic cells work and electricity is produced, similarly water is heated, food is cooked in solar cooker, and solar batteries run automobiles.

Eyes receive the entire spectrum of the sunlight, which is distributed to the different parts of the body by the brain on a need per basis. As a result, you are cured from all diseases. A 3rd intermediate medium is avoided. As you continue gazing at the sun, energy is no longer being used up for mental impairments or physical ailments; thus its storage level increases in your body. You are your own master within 6 months.

6 - 9 Months
In 6-months time you will start to have the original form of micro food, which is our sun. Additionally, this can avoid the toxic waste that you take into your body while you eat regular food.

7.5 months and 35 min of sun gazing is when hunger starts going down palpably. Need for food intake decreases. No one needs to eat more than his or her hunger levels. Hunger comes because of energy requirements of the body, which is a must for its existence. Food is not a necessity for the body to function, only energy is. Conventionally, you are indirectly getting the sun energy while eating food, which is a by-product of sun energy. If there is no sunlight, no food will grow.

Therefore, as you consume the original form of food, hunger goes down starting to disappear eventually. By eight months, you should see hunger almost gone. For a dull or weak student or with no belief, this time period may be 9 months or 44 minutes. After that time, hunger disappears forever. All mechanisms associated with hunger like aroma, cravings, and hunger pangs also disappear. Moreover, energy levels are at a higher level. There is a judgment (having had this experience) that the brain is well activated with the sun energy. Welldone, you have become a solar cooker.

After 9 Months
After nine months or when you reach to a 44 minutes level, you should give up sun gazing since solar science prohibits further gazing for the sake of eye care. The body will get discharged when you stop practicing, which has to be recharged. Now you have to start walking on bare foot on bare earth for 45 minutes daily for a total of 6 days. Relaxed walking only. No need to walk briskly, jog or run. Any convenient time of the day is all right, however it is preferred to do that when the earth is warmer and the sunlight is falling on your body. When you walk bare foot, an important gland in the brain's center called the pineal gland or the third eye is activated. The big toe of the foot represents this gland. 25 years ago it was considered a useless gland. Now it has become an important gland for study and up to now, about 18,000 papers have been published about it. It has always been known as the Seat of the soul. The Pineal gland has optic nerve endings. The remaining four toes represent glands too -- pituitary, hypothalamus, thalamus and amygdala. Amygdala for the last 2 years has been gaining importance in medical research. It's a nucleus of the sun or cosmic energy and plays an important role in the photosynthesis via the sunlight reaching the brain through the eye. When you walk bare foot, your body weight stimulates all these 5 glands through your toes. This is strengthened by the earth heat/energy and the sun prana falling on the head or the crown chakra. The chakras are not in the spinal cord that is an imaginary location; they are definitely in the brain. All these create a magnetic field and the body/brain recharges with the energy of the sun entering in you. Relax. Walk 45 minutes for one year and food continues to be away from you. After one year of recharging, if you are satisfied with your progress you can give up barefoot walking. Few minutes of sun energy falling on you once in 3-4 days will be enough from then on.

But if you want the immune system to strengthen, then keep on the bare foot walking. Also if you want memory power or intelligence to increase, continue the walking practice. As you increase the sun's heat on your feet the brain will activate more and more, which will result in the more activity of the Pineal gland. The Pineal gland has certain psychic and navigational functions. Navigational means one can fly like the birds. You can develop psychic skills of telepathy, television and have your body at different places simultaneously. Science has validated human psychic functions and medical experiments are being done to ascertain this. Different body parts and its organs get purified once you stop eating due to detoxification. The different internal organs play different mechanical parts for the purposes of space travel and flight. There is another utility value (other than food digestion) for the internal organs. All the glands have a lot of functions and can perform at optimal level via sun energy. If you are fortunate to activate the brain optimally you surely will reach enlightenment. You can read past, present, and future. This method can be safely applied to control obesity. Almost all problems get solved.

Historically, a lot of people have remained without food. Accordingly in 1922, the Imperial Medical College in London decreed that solar rays were the ideal food for humans. However, no one has mentioned what their technique was-- For e.g. Yogananda in his book 'autobiography of yogi' interviewed many saints and mystics to find out the secret of their lack of eating food.common reply was that the sun energy entered through a secret door and reached the medulla oblongata in the brain. They did not divulge their secret. This knowledge was lost to common folk at the time.

[lostinstrangeworld]

About Hira Ratan Manek

Hira Ratan Manek was born on 12th of September 1937 in Bodhavad, India, was raised in Calicut, Kerala, India, where he had his Mechanical Engineering degree from the University of Kerala. After graduation, he joined the family shipping and spice trading business and continued working there until he retired in 1992.

After he retired, he began to research and study the ancient practice of sun gazing in which he had been interested in since his childhood. This method was an old but forgotten method, which had been practiced, in the ancient times in many different parts of the world. (see Sun Gazing - History)

After working on this method for 3 years, he was able to re-discover the secrets of sun gazing. During his study, he was mainly inspired from the teachings of Lord Mahavir of Jains, who was also practicing this method two thousand and six hundred years ago. Other inspirations for sungazing came from ancient Egyptians, Greeks, and Native Americans.

Since June 18th, 1995, HRM has and continues to live only on sun energy and water. Occasionally, for hospitality and social purposes, he drinks tea, coffee and buttermilk. Until now, he had three strict fastings, during which he had just sun energy and only water and was under the control and observation of various science and medical teams.

The first of these fasting lasted for 211 days during 1995-96 in Calicut, India directed by Dr. C.K. Ramachandran, a medical expert on allopathy and ayurvedic medicine.

This was followed by a 411 day fast from 2000-2001 in Ahmedabad, India directed by an International team of 21 medical doctors and scientists led by Dr. Sudhir Shah (Dr. Shah's synopsis report) and Dr. K. K. Shah, the acting President of Indian Medical Association at that time. Dr. Maurie D. Pressman, MD also describes his experience with HRM in an article he wrote and later joined the team for the next observation on HRM.

After the excitement of the findings at Ahmadabad, HRM was invited to Thomas Jefferson University and University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia where he underwent a 130 day observation period. This Science/Medical Team wanted to observe and examine his retina, pineal gland and brain, therefore this observation team was led by Dr. Andrew B. Newberg, a leading authority on the brain and also featured in the recent movie "What the Bleep Do We Know", and by Dr. George C. Brenard, the leading authority on the pineal gland. Initial results found that the gray cells in HRM's brain are regenerating. 700 photographs have been taken where the neurons were reported to be active and not dying. Furthermore, the pineal gland was expanding and not shrinking which is typically what happens after mid fifties and its maximum average size is about 6 x 6 mm, however for HRM, it has been measured to be at 8 x 11 mm.

There have been many other sungazers who have achieved similar results and have volunteered to be tested, however due to lack of funding and other lifestyle restrictions the results have not been documented. The uniqueness of HRM is that he has surrendered his living body for observation and experiments to the scientific firmament for several extended periods of time. Although scientists and doctors have agreed that hunger is being reduced if not eliminated, due to the complexity of the various brain functions, they have not been able to explain how sungazing has such positive effects on the human mind or body, however more research is underway.

In 2002 Hira Ratan Manek gave over 136 lectures in USA and has been invited by government agencies of many countries to help them understand this process at which point he established his International Headquarters in Orlando, Florida. In 2003 HRM gave over 147 lectures in US, Canada, Caribbean and UK and nearly 400 newspapers all around the world have published articles on him. Additionally, many television channels have broadcast stories about him and he was most recently interviewed by BBC World Services. In December, 2003 HRM traveled to India for 4 months and delivered 70 lectures to various cities such as Chennai, Pondicherry, Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Baroda, Palitana, Kachchh, Jodhpur, Pali, Balotara, Lucknow, Delhi, Chadigarh, and other areas. Additional lectures in Delhi , Mumbai, Lucknow and Dhadigarh were sponsored by Times Foundation whose Chairperson Smt. Indujain has taken a keen interest in spreading the universally popular HRM Phenomenon (Suryanamaskar). Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Founder of Art of Living Foundation and Surya Foundation of International Naturopath Organization and Salila Tiwari doctor of Indian Prime Minister Vajpayeeji have also taken a keen interest in HRM Phenomena spreading all over the world. It was at the house of Salila Tiwari that ZTV interviewed HRM and where Surya Foundation made a detailed film on him. ZTV released the HRM interview on March 25th in their Hindustan Hamara Program and has repeated it many times since then. BBC World Services also repeatedly broadcast HRM's interview on July 22nd, 2003. Other media groups from all over the world have reported on HRM including those from Europe, Russia and Gulf Countries.

There are now Solar Healing Centers coming up all over the world and facilitating a global group of HRM Phenomenon practitioners. For those who are interested in learning more about the sun energy is an effective healing source, HRM recommends these books:

- "Light, Medicine of the Future", by Jacob Lieberman
- "The Healing Sun: Sunlight and Health in the 21st Century", by Richard Hobday.

[boots]

Something doesn't feel right about the way the world is though.

What is "death"? Energy cannot be created or destroyed.
Perhaps it is possible to go about our experiences in a different manner.
What we call death is merely transformation; perhaps co-creativity can be experienced in other ways allowing for transformation that differ from the cycle of life and what we know of as death here.

What dosen't feel right about this "world" is the negativity that is created by us humans.

It's up to the individual to do whats right according to to their conscious. You can't change the world, only ourselves. Pushing opinions onto other in an extreme way creates negativity. It feeds the Rep's.

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[fromthatshow]

Yes and it is not "MIND OVER MATTER" either. David had mentioned such people in his books as well.

Everything is mind over matter. If it were the other way around, we would be helpless victims.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Pushing opinions onto other in an extreme way creates negativity. It feeds the Rep's.


Doesn't a person killing an animal when he or she has other choices of food....count as an "extreme way"? :cool:

[jolinemaria]

sorry, i meant this bit,

ok a cat , but how would you expect an animal like a shark to survive on a vege diet. if animals didnt predate on other animals there would be a popution expolsion and theyd all stave to death, the lakes and the rivers would be empty of oxygen due to the masses of fish in them and the plains would be bare from mass overgrazing all life on earth would cease to exist.
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Aye, I believe I answered that already...
...I also believe that the animal kingdom will follow our vibrational patterns once we are vibrating on the frequencies of love and no longer those of fear and need.....
Everything will change when we raise our frequencys to love and light.
That's what I ment by the example of the cat. A carnivorous predator whose intestines are designed for meat processing becomes a veggie all by itself.
I wouldn't be surprised if a shark could live of krill and plankton just like the whales. Or maybe they will just become extinct and leave this planet once the vibrational pattern is no longer one of fear.

And as to your example of overgrazing and lakes and rivers devoid of oxygen, you don't know that do you? Just a wild guess.
Everything will sort itself out as everything always moves towards harmony.
Some species might become extinct. Some will grow in numbers, some will diminish in numbers. Not different from the way it has been for ages.
Did you know that rabbits in case of overpopulations simply dissolve the foetus inside the womb and little baby rabbits won't be born until there are more suitable conditions? As for humans, after big catastrophes such as war, significantly more male baby's are being born than female. How come? How does the egg or the sperm know that many men were slaughtered and there is need for replenishment? Life is so infinitely intelligent, it will figure out what is best.

[jolinemaria]

Lostinstrangeworld, thanks for the sungazer posts.
I read it before long time ago. Love to read it again!

[boots]

Doesn't a person killing an animal when he or she has other choices of food....count as an "extreme way"? :cool:

Nope:p

Thats just your opinion.

What we call death is merely transformation;

Thats right.

Even if a animal dies of old age then it is a slow death. Too fucked to keep up with the herd and to worn out to eat= slow painful death through starvation.

Maybe in an ideal world death to feed ourselves could be archived through mere thought??? The animal or plant wouldn't know it was coming, it would only sense a transformation.

The traditional Native Americans, when old and feeble, would say to themselves "It's a good day to die" and they would.

I know of a guy I read about back in the 70's named Jack Schwarz he was at a stage where he could almost live on light. The N.A Shaman that taught me a few things also said that it was possible, but he liked food to much, LOL. Still I can not see how all the cells with in the body and brain can obtain all the nutrients and amino acids to feep them strong and productive. I think it is impossible the human is a very complicated bio chemical organism. That just live on photons.

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[lostinstrangeworld]

Aye, I believe I answered that already...

Everything will change when we raise our frequencys to love and light.
That's what I ment by the example of the cat. A carnivorous predator whose intestines are designed for meat processing becomes a veggie all by itself.
I wouldn't be surprised if a shark could live of krill and plankton just like the whales. Or maybe they will just become extinct and leave this planet once the vibrational pattern is no longer one of fear.

And as to your example of overgrazing and lakes and rivers devoid of oxygen, you don't know that do you? Just a wild guess.
Everything will sort itself out as everything always moves towards harmony.
Some species might become extinct. Some will grow in numbers, some will diminish in numbers. Not different from the way it has been for ages.
Did you know that rabbits in case of overpopulations simply dissolve the foetus inside the womb and little baby rabbits won't be born until there are more suitable conditions? As for humans, after big catastrophes such as war, significantly more male baby's are being born than female. How come? How does the egg or the sperm know that many men were slaughtered and there is need for replenishment? Life is so infinitely intelligent, it will figure out what is best.

Beautiful, well said.

[lottie]

Hunter777 and Lottie, I agree that we are physical beings at the moment living as part of this "food chain".....but are you content to believe that this is all there is to life, just this ongoing cycle of life, death, pain, joy, suffering, competition, etc?

What David Icke said in his latest interview on CMN made so much sense.

Yes i believe this is 'life' as its meant to be right now... it seems harsh and unfair at times... but you have been given a brain and an exquistely perfect human body to deal with 'life' and so you must use it to the best of your ability... i dont want to be anything other than exactly who/what i am right now... im in awe at how amazingly perfect we are in every sense. How each cell has a memory and can replicate itself.. how an egg and a sperm create another cluster of cells and create a human life, how your heart beats using electrical impulses made by other cells designed to do this specific job, how your skin/bone repairs itself, how your brain allows you to experience and your eyes allow you to see, how your 5 senses work beautifully... need i go on? THAT is enough for me to believe that that is enough and so wonderful and fascinating that i need not search for 'etherical existence' or spirituality or anything more... whether i vibrate or resonate or im made light or of atoms with nothing in the atom is amazing yet nonconcequential... can i use it in my everyday life? No... why not appreciate what we have now.... since we are not on this earth for long and fully utilize what we have... use our brains to be good people with good morals and ethics.. use our bodies as vessels to carry us to do good for others keep ourselves healthy until we die and we are supposed to find out why we're here and what it was all about?! The amount of tie we spend on earth is a blink of an eye in the big scheme of things... death is not the end at all... its just the beginning. You may not get the chanmce to be physical again.. and all the time you were here in your natural state you spent all your time wishing you were something else and not appreciating how perfect you were in every sense! :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

But what are "morals and ethics"?

That's what we're all trying to figure out....and sadly people kill each other over it too. (because of our inability to communicate and understand each other in a peaceful manner).

Compassion, not only toward other human beings but towards all life as much as we can...is something that feels so true to me, to my heart.

I think all suffering stems from fear and the idea of separation to justify harming or exploiting others.

The nature of our reality is such that we cannot escape from how things are organized in it immediately....but one day....when we find the keys we can. We'll set this entire planet free.

Perhaps, somehow, there's a greater plan behind life which is gradually building up to this. :)

I'd like to think so anyway.
It gives me hope.

[lottie]

But what are "morals and ethics"?

That's what we're all trying to figure out....and sadly people kill each other over it too. (because of our inability to communicate and understand each other in a peaceful manner).

Compassion, not only toward other human beings but towards all life as much as we can...is something that feels so true to me, to my heart.

I think all suffering stems from fear and the idea of separation to justify harming or exploiting others.

The nature of our reality is such that we cannot escape from how things are organized in it immediately....but one day....when we find the keys we can. We'll set this entire planet free.

Perhaps, somehow, there's a greater plan behind life which is gradually building up to this. :)

I'd like to think so anyway.
It gives me hope.

The hurt and suffering that goes on in the world is unjust and seems insane to normal individuals like us.. but remember that the majority of it is not people being stupid or because of their inability as humans to be good.. it comes from an agenda to condition and manipulate people to be evil etc... i dont need to tell you the agenda, you more than know what Icke and the likes have been saying for years about the Illuminati etc.. the NWO, its all by design... if this were to fall then things would be better... no-one is born inherently evil or bad... its taught to them...visually, bahaviourally etc etc... you have a moral compass inside you... your parents teach it to you .. its about what we teach each other aswell as whats given to us in our spirit/soul.. i think its a combination of the two. I dont think harming others coems from the feeling of separation... it comes from whats taught to us... someone who kills someone or inflicts a nasty act does so out of ignorance and selfishness because they have somewhere along the line been taught that! Not because they cannot connect with infinite consciousness... we all have exactly what is needed to make this world a paradise in the physical sense, we just have to use it, we all want a world where only nice things happen, everyone's nice to each other, everyone loves and cares but we have to make it and abolish the nwo and the things that are making it a bad world... tehy've bneen at this plan/agenda for thousands of years.. only we can change it- the idea is not to run away by vibrating ourselves into another existance... that doesnt solve the problem. :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

only we can change it- the idea is not to run away by vibrating ourselves into another existance... that doesnt solve the problem. :)

Yeah, I suppose that's why we came here, to this planet.

Hira Ratan Manek, if he is genuine (and something tells me there has to be some truth in this, somewhere) has succeeded in training his body to live off solar rays...he has not vibrated off into another existence but has stayed to teach...I feel that the human body is capable of extraordinary things once we put our minds to it/ learn how.

http://solarhealing.com/about.htm


It's interesting.....the Sun.....and according to David Sereda in an interview regarding water, the Sun omits the perfect frequency of "Om" :cool:

Interesting...the tonal vibration of "Om" projected into sound looks similar to the water crystal!

http://www.glassartists.org/Images/ThumbNails/000056000/110/Thm56211_cymaticohm1.jpg

Apparently the Sun creates the tonal vibration of "Om" exactly....this is the water crystal which formed when given the sounds of the Sun:

http://colettebaronreid.com/newsletter/images/SoundOfSun/Water_Sunsound.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsqxpNNoDs0

[hunter77]

Aye, I believe I answered that already...

Everything will change when we raise our frequencys to love and light.
That's what I ment by the example of the cat. A carnivorous predator whose intestines are designed for meat processing becomes a veggie all by itself.
I wouldn't be surprised if a shark could live of krill and plankton just like the whales. Or maybe they will just become extinct and leave this planet once the vibrational pattern is no longer one of fear.

And as to your example of overgrazing and lakes and rivers devoid of oxygen, you don't know that do you? Just a wild guess.
Everything will sort itself out as everything always moves towards harmony.
Some species might become extinct. Some will grow in numbers, some will diminish in numbers. Not different from the way it has been for ages.
Did you know that rabbits in case of overpopulations simply dissolve the foetus inside the womb and little baby rabbits won't be born until there are more suitable conditions? As for humans, after big catastrophes such as war, significantly more male baby's are being born than female. How come? How does the egg or the sperm know that many men were slaughtered and there is need for replenishment? Life is so infinitely intelligent, it will figure out what is best.

your really clutching at staws here, what about the plauges of rabbits that saw myxy being introduced, how can a predator like a great white live on krill, when its got 100,s of sharp teeth and has no way of filtering it.

you shouldnt mess with nature just because you you think its cruell we a part of nature not above it, millions of years of evolution have gone into making some of these amazing beasts and you want to change them because you don't like them eating others. predators keep poulations strong on the whole and remove the sick and weak.

i dont even know why am bothering replying to be honest, we are at such different ends of the spectrum there is no common ground. you keep wishing things better and i will keep admiring nature in all its raw, powerful and dangerous beauty

[gods sun]

trees eat fish especially salmon

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/2004261072683939226_rs.jpg

[zetetic0void]

The philosophy Alan Watts (No! NOT "Alan Watt" ... Alan Watts with an 's' who is deceased and was a brilliant philosophy who said amazing things) said life is a 'mutual eating society' which is rather funny and in at least the physical realm apparently ture.

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Personally I chose to aquire a vegan diet about 6 or so years ago. I don't know why but just one time I started looking into how meat was produced and how animals for food were treated and I was shocked to find out a 'matrix' of such a nature existed on my behalf that I was repulsed very strongly.

I decided over a weekend never to support that system financially any longer (that includes eggs because hens in modern system are crammed in cages with the living space of a sheet of paper).

I find the modern conveyor-belt system to be outrageously unacceptable on many levels.

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That said, I could see eating eggs as acceptable to my feeling if they came from healthy chickens on small scale family farms where the birds actually functioned according to their natures.


Personal l feel that small family farms at least had animals living in relatively normal lives.


The mechanization and mass production of animals for food has taken over small family farms and produced a horrible system in my opinion. Horrible cold-hearted practices are part of the system. Additionally, regular over-use of antibiotics is part of the routine.


Additionally to my feelings for the animals is the logical consideration of the over-dependance of modern western people on meat. For every pound of meat produced, a huge amount of animal feed is produced as well as fresh water not only for that plant production but for the animal to drink. Add to this the use of chemical fertilizers and huge drain on the top-soil of the land for huge plant prodution for creating animals and the whole thing is an enormous drain on the envronment in my opinion.

Swaths of tropical rainforests are cleared for farming soy for making animal feed (no it's not all grown for vegetarians tofu LOL)

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I won't say I am black and white in my opinion. It is a greyscale opinion that I realize has various possible points of view.


An example I can think of is that if you take the example of a hunter shooting a deer cleanly with one precise shot, the deer's death is very quick. The Hunter has casued minimal deaths and not too much discomfort to another conscious being. I could see a responsible hunters point of view. I would be concerned with hunters shooting a mother deer with visible offspring. TO me that woud show irresponsibility.

If I take my vegan diet which relies on others' farming plants for my food, within that system, the farmers cause a number of deaths to small animals during the agricultural process. Additionally, many might use methods of killing rodents who would eat their produce


So in this example, one could argue that a hunter could actually be causing less suffering onto animals than a vegan.


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So, when someone says vegan diet is "cruelty free", I find that phrase isn't really true. Whatever our choice in our beliefs we have to think to through for ourselves but we shouldn't become blind to the grey zones of our practices.


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As far as eating in general goes , I am reminded of an old egytian saying I heard - something like this:


"1/3 of what you eat is for yourself. 2/3's of what you eat is for the physician"


(the numbers might be off but the saying was something like that)


I assume over-eating and pigging out on unbalanced diets even was seen as causing health problems in ancent times :D . The saying was likely mosytly applicable to the well-off.

[lostinstrangeworld]

The mechanization and mass production of animals for food has taken over small family farms and produced a horrible system in my opinion. Horrible cold-hearted practices are part of the system. Additionally, regular over-use of antibiotics is part of the routine.


Additionally to my feelings for the animals is the logical consideration of the over-dependance of modern western people on meat. For every pound of meat produced, a huge amount of animal feed is produced as well as fresh water not only for that plant production but for the animal to drink. Add to this the use of chemical fertilizers and huge drain on the top-soil of the land for huge plant prodution for creating animals and the whole thing is an enormous drain on the envronment in my opinion.

Well said


If I take my vegan diet which relies on others' farming plants for my food, within that system, the farmers cause a number of deaths to small animals during the agricultural process. Additionally, many might use methods of killing rodents who would eat their produce

Only because of modern farming methods.

Simple answer to that is to grow our own food, or avoid foods that involve that process- we are spoiled for variety these days.

[dillanh]

The real question here should be: Is the physical required?

I would say yes, since we are "living" in the physical realm.

Even if we can perceive or influence higher realms we still "live' in this one.

Unless of course the physical is really of no importance to you, then your body would die and youd become fully spirit.

[jolinemaria]

your really clutching at staws here, what about the plauges of rabbits that saw myxy being introduced, how can a predator like a great white live on krill, when its got 100,s of sharp teeth and has no way of filtering it.

you shouldnt mess with nature just because you you think its cruell we a part of nature not above it, millions of years of evolution have gone into making some of these amazing beasts and you want to change them because you don't like them eating others. predators keep poulations strong on the whole and remove the sick and weak.

i dont even know why am bothering replying to be honest, we are at such different ends of the spectrum there is no common ground. you keep wishing things better and i will keep admiring nature in all its raw, powerful and dangerous beauty

Where am I messing with nature?
Where am I stating that it is cruel?
You're are projecting this on me.

I am only saying that in my opinion the evolutionary path is towards high vibrational foods such as light. My believe that the animal kingdom will follow this same path is not cruel. Nothing ever remains as it is, everything changes.
I greatly admire nature as I do people.
Nowhere have I stated that I don't and that I wish for it or anyone to change.
But change is happening anyway. And I sense in both human and animal where it is going. There is nothing more to it.

[kingmonkey]

even if we stopped eating animals, theyd still eat each other kill each and rip each other appart thats is nature, it allways will be survival of the fittest.
your looking at it from a human perspective . nice human idealist dream but as far from nature as you can get.


What he said.

Like it or not we're all part of the physical universe. Without death there would be no evolution.

[fr0sty]

just a information: in romanian language the word "Om" means Human, Man..so when I heard a Indian guy or some yoga sounds saying Oooooooooooooommmmmmmmmm Oommmmmmmmm; for me was like hearing a guy saying Hhhuuuuuumaaaaaaannnnnnnnnn Hhuuuuuuuuuumaaaaaaaaaannnnnnn :D:D:D

Ro: Eu vãd un om
En: I see a human/man

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6de9FjR40g0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6de9FjR40g0

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/love.gif

[gripit]

I don't know much about this 'living off light and vibration' alone, but there is a girl in jason_bourne's FREAKS thread that lives off tic tacs alone, lol!!

In David Icke's interview with Credo Mutwa, Credo claims the humanoid species that inhabited Earth were an androgynous peaceful species. They did not need to communicate by voice, they were telepathic...and so were the animals, and they could communicate with each other. Whenever the humanoid species needed food, they would 'call' one of the animals over who would kneel down peacefully to be slaughtered. It was an understanding between the humanoids and animals. Then the humanoids were hijacked by the Annunaki...and the vicious human race was created.

Anyhow, it went something like that. Sorry for the crappy writing, I was at the bar all day :eek: :)

btw, the pig is a majestic, beautiful animal, but it also ranks number 1 on my deliciousness scale, therefore, I eat. It would be nice if the world worked like Credo says it used to, it would be nice if that pig could live a decent life in the wild before he hits my plate, but the world doesn't work that way, sigh.

[alisa2]

15 year old boy meditating without eating or drinking for 10 months.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FBe3CQVPV4

[tejas]

15 year old boy meditating without eating or drinking for 10 months.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fbe3cqvpv4

sick one blud :D

[dillanh]

Okay, I know this might be a little far fetched but still:

Buddha Boy's official website:
http://www.paldendorje.com/index.php?option=com_morfeoshow&task=view&gallery=5&Itemid=3

put your mouse over the pictures, and you will say maitriya over 2 of them.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project144.html

ctrl+f Matraia

My thoughts are that: Buddha boy is being advertised to the new age movement.

They push things like this to get people to think spiritually and internally when horrible things are happening physically.

I also find it kind of funny how buddha boy is supposed to return in 2012 when people need him

[hellosatellites]

Has anyone come across this before?

http://www.angelfire.com/stars3/breathe_light/breatharianism.html

Breatharianism

Living on Light

A breatharian is a person who is nourished by light and has no need for food or drink. Breatharianism is within human potential, but for most it remains dormant. Those who feel drawn to living on light nourishment can activate this potential, but not said that it is an easy task.

One day breatharianism will be widely known and considered the natural thing that it is.

I made this page to: 1 Provide with information about a very interesting subject. 2 Spread information about breatharianism, making it more known and accepted. 3 Try finding a scientific explanation/proof of breatharianism. 4 Share with my perspective and experiences of becoming and being a breatharian. / Hopefully this page is useful!

More here...

http://www.virtuescience.com/breatharian.html

yeah, i've met 3 people that came close to dying from trying out Breatharianism.

They are all 3 of them anorexic, of course. Radical and rigid diets has high appeal to people with eating disorders, especially anorexics who love to rationalize their morbidity and hatred of the body and their extreme need for control over food (what gives life to the body).

Anyone who has a need to micromanage and control their diets (unless for medical reasons) would be better off finding a good therapist, than embarking on a weird food fad.

just saying

[element]

Does anyone ever think about how it is strange that we, as infinite beings, need to keep eating to maintain our strength?
Yes, this is indeed strange.
Even more strange and gruesome is the nature of things, of what we call the food chain. That a beautiful being must take the life of another beautiful being in order to sustain itself.
Have we been fed a lie?
I understand your sentiment, but I think it was meant to be this way. Plant-animal, herbi-carni etc. For the same reason we could ask why is there day ánd night, male ánd female. In this world things can't exist without a counterpart. So death is just natural. Death is 'life' on the other side. It's cruel to kill, but I do believe killing is a nessesary part of this world. The good news is that we, as humans, can lessen this if we want to. It's up to you what you want to kill and what you don't want to kill.
Do you think its ok for people to eat animals, that people are superior and that animals don't feel as humans do?
(If I know anything, then I know with all my heart that animals DO feel what we feel...even if they think differently).
For me, it's only o.k when people can honestly say they can look the animal in the eyes and kill it with honour. If the answer is no, we are the biggest hypocrites. Animals have feelings but it doesn't mean it's the same as us, after all we have different bodies (and different subtle bodies) so I think feelings are different for each species. We are not 'superior' in the general sense, but we are superior when it comes to intellect and reason. Just like they are superior to us with their senses and their honesty.
Or is it a poisonous lie that keeps this dreadful cycle of life, death and competition going....not to mention famine, pain, disease etc. (At the end of the day disease is just another form of life trying to make its way...in a reality where parasitic principles are accepted and therefore perpetuated....consciousness itself governs life, not the other way around).
Whatever someone's stance is, be it Satan did it, evolution did it, karma did it, all of them don't really explain why an individual has to experience suffering, and why it got in that place.
If people stopped eating animals, then maybe something would happen on an energetic level to the whole of nature, resulting in an energetic shift which would then change the "savage garden" into a beautiful Eden?
It would prevent a lot of deforestation (and with it erosion and desertification), that's for sure. Especially here in the west, we're just eating the rainforests away, and history has shown that the bigger and materially wealthier a country becomes, the more meat they will eat..!! :D
I've felt much better myself after I stopped eating animals, both mentally and physically. I've also never seen someone feeling worse after they stopped eating meat, only some clowns who don't know what to eat or are addicted to meat fail. It takes time, but if your body has adapted it will no longer like the smell or taste of meat.
I believe the beautiful Eden is not possible on Earth, because of all the polarities.

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[kingmonkey]

yeah, i've met 3 people that came close to dying from trying out Breatharianism.

They are all 3 of them anorexic, of course. Radical and rigid diets has high appeal to people with eating disorders, especially anorexics who love to rationalize their morbidity and hatred of the body and their extreme need for control over food (what gives life to the body).

Anyone who has a need to micromanage and control their diets (unless for medical reasons) would be better off finding a good therapist, than embarking on a weird food fad.

just saying


Exactly. If you can "live on light" (:rolleyes:), then why do people starve to death? These people are morons...Go to a refugee camp in Darfur and see how far people get living on light. It's just more crazy, dangerous new age shit.

[hellosatellites]

Exactly. If you can "live on light" (:rolleyes:), then why do people starve to death? These people are morons. Go to a refugee camp in Darfur and see how far people get living on light.

He he, i've used the exact same reasoning recently in a debate about breatharianism, cos' logically africans should then be amongst the most healthy and well nourished people on earth, right.
Can you guess what the answer was to this?
yes, it was the good old holier-than-thou "well these people (africans) are not spiritually developed enough to utilize the light properly", "they don't have the proper techniques etc" yada yada yada :p

[kingmonkey]

yes, it was the good old holier-than-thou "well these people (africans) are not spiritually developed enough to utilize the light properly"; " they don't have the proper techniques etc" :p

Yeah, I nearly put that in my post...There must be some knack to it; they don't meditate enough or they need to make peace with their inner being or some such shit. Or my personal favourite when people are living horrifc lives that need justification of some sort: "Well, they chose to be reincarnated into this life to experience suffering, it's their choice to live and die like this."

[hellosatellites]

Yeah, I nearly put that in my post...There must be some knack to it; they don't meditate enough or they need to make peace with their inner being or some such shit. Or my personal favourite when people are living horrifc lives that need justification of some sort; "Well, they chose to be reincarnated into this life to experience suffering, it's their choice to die like this.

oh god yes, it's particularly grating when reincarnation and other "spiritual" concepts are used as convenient catch-alls to deny and gloss over the gross injustice, exploitation and suffering in this world...

[lostinstrangeworld]

Yes, this is indeed strange.

I understand your sentiment, but I think it was meant to be this way. Plant-animal, herbi-carni etc. For the same reason we could ask why is there day ánd night, male ánd female. In this world things can't exist without a counterpart. So death is just natural. Death is 'life' on the other side. It's cruel to kill, but I do believe killing is a nessesary part of this world.

I too have turned this kind of logic over in my own mind, but something still doesn't add up. For one thing, there is no such thing as death- even matter cannot be created or destroyed....only transformed. When we die, we simply cross the "event horizon" of our own atoms.

I just think that this is a fear based structure, here in this current vibration.

There has to be another way.

[novymir]

I too have turned this kind of logic over in my own mind, but something still doesn't add up. For one thing, there is no such thing as death- even matter cannot be created or destroyed....only transformed. When we die, we simply cross the "event horizon" of our own atoms.

I just think that this is a fear based structure, here in this current vibration.

There has to be another way.

You are correct.

[kurupted_flesh]

You only need to eat because you've forgotten what food tastes like...

[lostinstrangeworld]

As a young Obstetrician, Dr. Leonard Laskow was enjoying a successful life in medicine when a voice came to him in a meditation revealing to him that he was to begin "healing with love.".

Surprised and baffled at the message, a series of events transpired that gave him an opportunity to respond - with Love. After facilitating the spontaneous healing of a number of people, Leonard began running a series of experiments with single cell organisms to see how Love affected their state of health.

The lab results were indisputable - love slowed down the replication rates of both cancer cells and bacteria. Emboldened by his findings, Dr. Laskow began using love to facilitate healing in his patients with wonderful results.

To learn more about Leonard and how to Heal with Love, go to: www.laskow.net
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/llaskow.htm

[tejas]

As a young Obstetrician, Dr. Leonard Laskow was enjoying a successful life in medicine when a voice came to him in a meditation revealing to him that he was to begin "healing with love.".

Surprised and baffled at the message, a series of events transpired that gave him an opportunity to respond - with Love. After facilitating the spontaneous healing of a number of people, Leonard began running a series of experiments with single cell organisms to see how Love affected their state of health.

The lab results were indisputable - love slowed down the replication rates of both cancer cells and bacteria. Emboldened by his findings, Dr. Laskow began using love to facilitate healing in his patients with wonderful results.

To learn more about Leonard and how to Heal with Love, go to: www.laskow.net
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/llaskow.htm

Interesting..

[lostinstrangeworld]

William Blake - Auguries of Innocence

To see a world in a grain of sand,
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And eternity in an hour.

A robin redbreast in a cage
Puts all heaven in a rage.

A dove-house fill'd with doves and pigeons
Shudders hell thro' all its regions.
A dog starv'd at his master's gate
Predicts the ruin of the state.

A horse misused upon the road
Calls to heaven for human blood.
Each outcry of the hunted hare
A fibre from the brain does tear.

A skylark wounded in the wing,
A cherubim does cease to sing.
The game-cock clipt and arm'd for fight
Does the rising sun affright.

Every wolf's and lion's howl
Raises from hell a human soul.

The wild deer, wand'ring here and there,
Keeps the human soul from care.
The lamb misus'd breeds public strife,
And yet forgives the butcher's knife.

The bat that flits at close of eve
Has left the brain that won't believe.
The owl that calls upon the night
Speaks the unbeliever's fright.

He who shall hurt the little wren
Shall never be belov'd by men.
He who the ox to wrath has mov'd
Shall never be by woman lov'd.

The wanton boy that kills the fly
Shall feel the spider's enmity.
He who torments the chafer's sprite
Weaves a bower in endless night.

The caterpillar on the leaf
Repeats to thee thy mother's grief.
Kill not the moth nor butterfly,
For the last judgement draweth nigh.

He who shall train the horse to war
Shall never pass the polar bar.
The beggar's dog and widow's cat,
Feed them and thou wilt grow fat.

The gnat that sings his summer's song
Poison gets from slander's tongue.
The poison of the snake and newt
Is the sweat of envy's foot.

The poison of the honey bee
Is the artist's jealousy.

The prince's robes and beggar's rags
Are toadstools on the miser's bags.
A truth that's told with bad intent
Beats all the lies you can invent.

It is right it should be so;
Man was made for joy and woe;
And when this we rightly know,
Thro' the world we safely go.

Joy and woe are woven fine,
A clothing for the soul divine.
Under every grief and pine
Runs a joy with silken twine.

The babe is more than swaddling bands;
Every farmer understands.
Every tear from every eye
Becomes a babe in eternity;

This is caught by females bright,
And return'd to its own delight.
The bleat, the bark, bellow, and roar,
Are waves that beat on heaven's shore.

The babe that weeps the rod beneath
Writes revenge in realms of death.
The beggar's rags, fluttering in air,
Does to rags the heavens tear.

The soldier, arm'd with sword and gun,
Palsied strikes the summer's sun.
The poor man's farthing is worth more
Than all the gold on Afric's shore.

One mite wrung from the lab'rer's hands
Shall buy and sell the miser's lands;
Or, if protected from on high,
Does that whole nation sell and buy.

He who mocks the infant's faith
Shall be mock'd in age and death.
He who shall teach the child to doubt
The rotting grave shall ne'er get out.

He who respects the infant's faith
Triumphs over hell and death.
The child's toys and the old man's reasons
Are the fruits of the two seasons.

The questioner, who sits so sly,
Shall never know how to reply.
He who replies to words of doubt
Doth put the light of knowledge out.

The strongest poison ever known
Came from Caesar's laurel crown.
Nought can deform the human race
Like to the armour's iron brace.

When gold and gems adorn the plow,
To peaceful arts shall envy bow.
A riddle, or the cricket's cry,
Is to doubt a fit reply.

The emmet's inch and eagle's mile
Make lame philosophy to smile.
He who doubts from what he sees
Will ne'er believe, do what you please.

If the sun and moon should doubt,
They'd immediately go out.
To be in a passion you good may do,
But no good if a passion is in you.

The whore and gambler, by the state
Licensed, build that nation's fate.
The harlot's cry from street to street
Shall weave old England's winding-sheet.

The winner's shout, the loser's curse,
Dance before dead England's hearse.

Every night and every morn
Some to misery are born,
Every morn and every night
Some are born to sweet delight.

Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

We are led to believe a lie
When we see not thro' the eye,
Which was born in a night to perish in a night,
When the soul slept in beams of light.

God appears, and God is light,
To those poor souls who dwell in night;
But does a human form display
To those who dwell in realms of day.

[thetonic]

Its good to see that some can spot a spiritual prison when they see one...

If your feelings tell you that eating animals is wrong then perhaps you are right!

Honor your feelings / intuition and see how that makes you feel... ALIVE

Dont ever let someone tell you that "this life is normal and the food chain is just part of it" NONSENSE

The fall of man from the higher realms of consciousness is directly connected to the killing and eating of the flesh , or so they say;)

But never underestimate the power of the creator, it has the authority to change a spiritual prison into a paradise where none suffer, where life stops consuming itself in a perpetual cycle of death and rebirth...

Your consciousness can help change this reality as you are a creation and you are connected to the creator

[pendulum]

Does anyone ever think about how it is strange that we, as infinite beings, need to keep eating to maintain our strength?

Even more strange and gruesome is the nature of things, of what we call the food chain. That a beautiful being must take the life of another beautiful being in order to sustain itself.
Have we been fed a lie?

Do you think its ok for people to eat animals, that people are superior and that animals don't feel as humans do?
(If I know anything, then I know with all my heart that animals DO feel what we feel...even if they think differently).

Or is it a poisonous lie that keeps this dreadful cycle of life, death and competition going....not to mention famine, pain, disease etc. (At the end of the day disease is just another form of life trying to make its way...in a reality where parasitic principles are accepted and therefore perpetuated....consciousness itself governs life, not the other way around).

If people stopped eating animals, then maybe something would happen on an energetic level to the whole of nature, resulting in an energetic shift which would then change the "savage garden" into a beautiful Eden?


Does anybody hear me?!

Where are you?!
i hear you

[boots]

Its good to see that some can spot a spiritual prison when they see one...

If your feelings tell you that eating animals is wrong then perhaps you are right!

Honor your feelings / intuition and see how that makes you feel... ALIVE

Dont ever let someone tell you that "this life is normal and the food chain is just part of it" NONSENSE

The fall of man from the higher realms of consciousness is directly connected to the killing and eating of the flesh , or so they say;)

But never underestimate the power of the creator, it has the authority to change a spiritual prison into a paradise where none suffer, where life stops consuming itself in a perpetual cycle of death and rebirth...

Your consciousness can help change this reality as you are a creation and you are connected to the creator

:rolleyes:

Life and death (change) is part of the natural cycle of the universe. Stars are born and die (change) galaxies are consumed by other galaxies. We are part of the natural cycle of this planet. You cant live on light. Thats NONSENSE.

.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Its good to see that some can spot a spiritual prison when they see one...

If your feelings tell you that eating animals is wrong then perhaps you are right!

Honor your feelings / intuition and see how that makes you feel... ALIVE

Dont ever let someone tell you that "this life is normal and the food chain is just part of it" NONSENSE

The fall of man from the higher realms of consciousness is directly connected to the killing and eating of the flesh , or so they say;)

But never underestimate the power of the creator, it has the authority to change a spiritual prison into a paradise where none suffer, where life stops consuming itself in a perpetual cycle of death and rebirth...

Your consciousness can help change this reality as you are a creation and you are connected to the creator

Thanks, thetonic.

I don't have anything against people for just eating meat; I see it as part of a legacy that nature and her creatures have inherited unwittingly. I do see that I cannot expect everybody to understand or accept my points of view- as to question the nature of nature itself will obviously seem pretty far out to most people.

I have no negative feelings whatsoever to the predator that hunts for his/ her food.....or even cats that will occasionally be cruel and play with a mouse or whatsoever before killing him/ her. (I would rescue that creature from suffering if I had the chance, but I would not blame the cat). However, my heart does break ever time a creature has to suffer and every time a drop of blood is shed. Although I don't agree with keeping animals in cages, I did develop a lot of empathy for rodents from taking care of them as a child and spending many hours watching them, as I liked to with all creatures. I love/ adore rodents, and I love/ adore cats too.


I find the way that humans treat animals absolutely horrific- factory farms, animal experiments (bad science, a cheap way to get something on the market). It breaks my heart, it disturbs my soul, it haunts my being.

I have asked myself how people can do such evil to these poor creatures.....and I have realized that although they are being evil to animals....they are not inherently evil.....they just lack empathy. They don't see and feel the connection to animals that I and others like myself do. :(

I'm not sure what the answer is when it comes to teaching others empathy, but I think it will have to be a gradual, gentle and diplomatic process.....not the approach many activists are following although I have total understanding and respect from where they are coming from, though the way I see things is difficult for some to understand. That I don't have more anger in me. It's mainly sadness. But not anger, hatred or vengefulness.


I have a lot of respect for Jains, some Hindus, etc who have chosen not to eat animals and have found many other good things to eat and recipes, etc since the time that the movement began. But I understand that there are times/ geographical places/ climates, etc when to chose this way of life would result in frailty and sickness, which is one thing when it comes to personal choice but another thing where there are children, etc involved. So I am not against eating meat totally- I see it as a legacy of nature in some ways.....but however I believe if we are given a choice then it doesn't seem right to chose to eat meat only because we like the taste of it? Or maybe people should try to at least cut down?

Then again, I'm not 100% sure what I believe about eating meat, because I have often wondered whether the actual act of killing/ preparing a carcass to be eaten....actually desensitizes a person toward that creature? Maybe desensitization was a thing that naturally took place in order to integrate these acts into our way of life?

Wouldn't it be more difficult to look forward to a beefburger if every time a person saw a cow, they saw not a "dumb" creature they felt condescendingly superior too.......but a beautiful, gentle eyed, humble, loving, maternal being.....with all the same need for comfort, companionship and security that humans and every other animal feels?

[lostinstrangeworld]

:rolleyes:

Life and death (change) is part of the natural cycle of the universe. Stars are born and die (change) galaxies are consumed by other galaxies. We are part of the natural cycle of this planet. You cant live on light. Thats NONSENSE.

.

Yes, but perhaps death as we see it, here, is not how it necessarily has to be.

I am not into "The Law Of One" (Ra channelings) any more....however, there were some interesting things about how things work differently in other dimensions.

[boots]

Yes, but perhaps death as we see it, here, is not how it necessarily has to be.

I am not into "The Law Of One" (Ra channelings) any more....however, there were some interesting things about how things work differently in other dimensions.

I would agree that there would be different dimensions that would transist their life forms without the need for food. It's a huge place the universe.

I have read and listen to Wilcocks thoughts, It's OK doesnt grab me that much. But this is what we have here and I feel that we have to learn gratitude and respect for eating other life forms.

.

[curtaincat]

This is a really good thread and I want to read it properly and answer some stuff, so it deserves a BUMP, so I can find it to come back and read through when i have time.
:)

[soul_traveller]

P.s. :eek: Last edited by hunter77; 16-05-2009 at 11:11 AM.

Oh, so you are having the 11 experience as well. 11 I think means new beginnings or 11:11 could mean double new beginnings.

Shit my clock on PC is 16:11!!! And the last page of this thread at the time of checking the latest post was page 11 of 11 !!!!!

And the year 2009 = 2 + 0 + 0 + 9 = 11 !!!! :D

Arrrrrrggggghhhhhhh, what's going on?! :)

[mauviene]

There is a few documentaries about Hindu holymen and buddhists sustaining life without food or water.

Here Bamjam..some buddhist who thinks hes gotama meditates under a tree for 6 months without food or water http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v29clGMWU84

Though in the documentary there is a hindu holyman interviewed who says he hasnt had food or water since he was 12 (and he was an old man in the video) he claims he can live very long from the sun powering his Chakras.

[lostinstrangeworld]

This is a really good thread and I want to read it properly and answer some stuff, so it deserves a BUMP, so I can find it to come back and read through when i have time.
:)

Thank you. :)

[lostinstrangeworld]

There is a few documentaries about Hindu holymen and buddhists sustaining life without food or water.

Here Bamjam..some buddhist who thinks hes gotama meditates under a tree for 6 months without food or water http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v29clGMWU84

Though in the documentary there is a hindu holyman interviewed who says he hasnt had food or water since he was 12 (and he was an old man in the video) he claims he can live very long from the sun powering his Chakras.

I wish I could have a chat with them! :D

I'm not sure about the idea of going without water though.
It would take a lot of preternatural influence to stop the need for that.

[mauviene]

I wish I could have a chat with them! :D

I'm not sure about the idea of going without water though.
It would take a lot of preternatural influence to stop the need for that.

Yea..there is some esoteric method to get energy from your Chakras to sustain your body.

[branjo]

If you wanna see something interesting about not needing food or water to survive then you have to see this kid Palden Dorje AKA little Buddha. Hasn't eaten a thing since 2005, just meditates and draws something from somewhere.

http://www.paldendorje.com/