Harry Potter: Good or Bad

[baron von lotsov]

The system line is that it encourages kids to read.

The against reaction

quote Ugly Fatman

BBC News plugs Harry Potter - Time for an inquiry into their commercial activity

WTF? And the hypocrites then ask us to pay the licence fee. I just don't see why JK Rowling gets all this free hype when so many better books are released every year. It's madness. Let the book sell on its merit not by word of BBC's unethical big mouth!

And here is a system line for you.

Quote dragonlady 25

Of course it's news!!!!

When was the last time you heard of people queuing up for a BOOK???

Kids all over the country are reading, not playing at murdering aliens on a video game thingy!!!

It's fantastic!!!!

Please excuse me. I'm an English teacher and anything that has children reading has my vote. Normal cynical service will be resumed ASAP.

(and yes, I was at Tesco at 12.00am )



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Harry Potter has nothing to do with Satanism; it's good triumphing over evil.

If you read any popular childrens' story such as 'Cinderella' or 'Snow White' they have exactly the same principle.

Also, I take my position of responsiblity very seriously, thank you very much!! I don't encourage other peoples children to read Harry Potter, they do it all by themselves. The parents buy the books, not me, so if you're going to have a go, you need to aim it in another direction.

[kooo]

System agenda.

The Harry Potter books introduce young impressionable minds to the New Age Occult. The thing about the Potter books is that they appeal to adults too. They've killed two birds with one stone.

[edelweiss pirate]

What about CS Lewis, Tolkien?

It's hard to call the Potter thing BUT the fact that he has a 'special' scar signifies that he is 'marked' out by some kind of religious brotherhood...

They're quite common in the middle east were people are identified by scars ( abit like African tribal scars too).. and also it's in the Bible, the Mark of Cain and the mark of the beast and the mark of the 'saved'...

BUT if it can empower children in some way so much the better... anyone read the last book btw? I haven't because they're shit and badly written... I hated the latest film though the previous ones were ok...,.

[eternal_spirit]

Harry Potter theme park being built in the USA. Training ground for the Occult(mind control whatever?) Same as Disney theme parks are allegedly so.

I've only seen one of the films. It's obvious what they are portraying and pushing you towards.... it's basically this......Get some Magick books, join an occult group( school as in the film) and you'll have magick powers for the good of all.

Seems to me it's a case of get them while their young indoctrinate them into occult beliefs, so when they grow up they'll think it's perfectley normal to play around wth the occult and join occult groups this is dangerous shit portryed in a kids film.

[montag]

I heard somewhere recently that J K Rowling is not the true author of the Harry Potter series, that they were actually written by an old man called Harry Potter. J K Rowling is apparently a proof reader/editor for Old man Potter and acts as the front person/author of the series.
I think it may have been Dr John Coleman on the Vyzygoth radio show recently who mentioned this, I can't remember exactly. Does anybody have any more info?

[lookfar]

I heard somewhere recently that J K Rowling is not the true author of the Harry Potter series, that they were actually written by an old man called Harry Potter. J K Rowling is apparently a proof reader/editor for Old man Potter and acts as the front person/author of the series.
I think it may have been Dr John Coleman on the Vyzygoth radio show recently who mentioned this, I can't remember exactly. Does anybody have any more info?

Hi montag

Yeah I heard that too about Rowling but haven't actually read anything about it. I think JP told me so I'll ask him & see where he got the info from...

I've read a couple of the books & watched some of the films but am not up-to-date on it.

[montag]

Harry Potter, Socialism and the truth

Beatrice Potter Webb was born on Jan. 2, 1858, at Standish House near Gloucester. Her father, Richard Potter, was a man with large railroad interests and many contacts among politicians and intellectuals. She was educated at home by governesses and also by extensive travel, wide reading, and direct contact with many of the leading figures of politics, science and industry. Herbert Spencer in particular gave her the attention and encouragement that she thought denied to her by her family.

Potter’s involvment with social problems began in 1883, when she became a rent collector in London. This work, in turn, led to her participation in Charles Booth’s survey published as Life and Labour of the people in London. In 1887 the results of her inquiries into dock life in the east End of London were published in nineteenth Century, soon followed by other articles and studies of seated labor.

Increased confidence and deeper study culminated in Potter’s the Co-operative Movement in Great Britain, (1891). It was in connection with this that she met Sidney Webb. They were married in 1892, and their life together became one of single minded dedication to research and social reform. Together they produced a veritable torrent of books, pamphlets, essays, and memoranda amounting to over a hundred items.

Until 1906 Potter’s role in the partnership was primarily that of researcher, writer, and hostess for gatherings of cabinet ministers and members of Parliament who came to hear the Webb opinion on Social Legislation. At the end of 1905 Beatrice was appointed a member of the Royal Commission on the Poor Laws, which sat from 1906 to 1909 The minority report, drafted by the Webbs, played an important role in the dismantling of the old poor Law and in its replacement by the new systems of social insurance.

In the period after 1910 the Webbs abandoned their nonpartisan stance and became an important force in building the Labour party. Another cornerstone of their earlier philosophy was abandoned with publication of their Soviet Communism; A new Society ? (1935) They who had always held that social change cannot come about by the violent destruction of existing institutions, endoresed the Russian Revolution in spite of its totalitarionism. Beatrice Webb died at Liphook, Hampshire, on April 30, 1943. In 1947, shortly after Sydneys death, their ashes were buried in Westminister Abbey.

The two volumes of Beartice Webb’s Diaries, 1912-1924 edited by Margaret Cole (1952) with an introduction by Lord Beveridge, offer many insights missing from the standard biographies. Beatrice Webb’s memoirs are My Apprenticeship(1926) and Our Partnership (1948). one of the best books on Beatrice Webb was written be her niece. Kitty Muggeridge, and Ruth Adam, Beatrice Webb: A life 1858-1943 (1967). Margaret Cole, ed, The Webbs and their work (1949) is a collection of appraisals of the Webbs written, informative and accurate. Mary Agnes Hamilton, Sydney and Beatrice Webb (1933) is an interesting account of the Webbs activities up to the early 1930s.

” To play those millions of minds, to watch them slowly respond to an unseen stimulus, to guide their aspirations without their knowledge - all this whether in high capacities or in humble - is a big and endless game of chess of ever extraordinary excitment.” - Sydney Webb, former leader of the communist Fabian Society.

The British Labor Party has been controlled by the JESUITS since its inception in the late 1800s. it has always advocated Home Rule for Ireland–as did British SIS Aleister Crowley!!Asquith, Lloyd George, and Labor-Loyalist “Smokin” Winston Churchill were all controlled by the Order via its Fabian Socialists, Like the American Republican Party, nothing good ever proceeded, or was allowed to proceed from British Labor–the true backers of the Soviet Russia’s Bolshevicks and the Pope’s Masonic Jewish Zionists ruling Israel’s Labour party.

Also the true Author of the wounded in the head, little Dark Prince Harry Potter was written by Richard Potter himself, The Lady J.K. Rowlings who claims to be the author is not at all, she was just given the job of editing and a nice title. Richard Potter a benifictionary of Sydney and Beatrice Webb who began the Fabian Socialist movement in England and they really intended to Socialize the World but began in a very small way. Potter was a very rich Rail road magnet who helped them with a lot of money. They sent Ramsey McDonald to the United States in 1895, touring the United States. He came back and said, ” The United States will never be Socialised until we can get rid of the State and Federal Constitution” Ramsey McDonald became the future Prime Minister of England.

J.K. Rowling uses imagery in her Harry Potter books contained in the Alchemy Book, “The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosendreutz” written in 1459. Using such a obsure book, known only to the occult initiated, is one strong indication Rowling does practice Witchcraft. Little Harry suffers a head wound in the storys first book, In the seventh and final book Harry will defeat his Nemisis and be Victorious, Im just wondering will Harry be sitting in the golden throne in the last chapter, I wonder does any body else get it. Your children will love and accept the Anti-christ in the near future, just like they love Harry.
http://blog.sunvalleyonline.com/index.php/greg-farber/1820

[tru3]

great post, montag! thanks for the scoop.

What about CS Lewis, Tolkien?

potter's not even in the same class, just from a literary standpoint, imo.

slightly off topic here, but ever wonder how two movies on the same plot line get made at the same time?

or two people invent the same thing at the same time?

is it a conspiracy, or do ideas emerge at a specific point in spacetime, from some impersonal energy field (the muses)?

many authors have had this experience: "i'm just writing down what the characters are telling me".

There is indeed a half-wild beast that lives in the thickets of each writer's imagination. It gorges on a half-cooked stew of suppositions, superstitions and half-finished stories. It's drawn by the stink of the image-making stills writers paint in their heads. The place one calls one's study or writing room is really no more than a clearing in the woods where one trains the beast (insofar as it can be trained) to come. One doesn't call it; that doesn't work. One just goes there and picks up the handiest writing implement (or turns it on) and then waits. It usually comes, drawn by the entrancing odor of hopeful ideas. Some days it only comes as far as the edge of the clearing, relieves itself and disappears again. Other days it darts across to the waiting writer, bites him and then turns tail.

stephen king

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/28/AR2006092801398.html

just asking. i've always been fascinated by this.

"it [the ring] wants to be found." - lord of the rings

[baron von lotsov]

Tolkien might have been a 'great author', I mean so was Aldous Huxley and a load of others, but that does not mean that what they were about was all that great for the population. HG Wells is well regarded but he was definitely a conspirator along Assimov, the one who wrote science fiction and known for his three laws of robotics.

Tolkien was on the school curriculum, he is well famous now and a whole cult has been built up around his works and all of that Dungeon and Dragon stuff fits into it as well. Harry Potter is the same deal but we have moved on and the agenda is getting all the more blatant as the conditioning process enables it to be so. The Potter stuff will be followed by other writers as there is one woman who has written (or supposed to have written) another seven books which have had their rights sold to AOL-Time-Warner, the biggest media organisation in the world. This was in my local paper this week.

[cruise4]

System agenda.

The Harry Potter books introduce young impressionable minds to the New Age Occult.

Spot on!

The thing about the Potter books is that they appeal to adults too. They've killed two birds with one stone.

I've never understood this... I tried to read one once and thought it was crap.

Tolkien and C.S Lewis... cracking writers regardless of any agenda. Hope we get 'The Hobbit' as a film soon.

[baron von lotsov]

Terry Pratchett is another I was wondering about. He is strong in the awards department.

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Pratchett was the British Book Awards Fantasy and Science Fiction Author of the Year for 1994.[17] In 1998 he was appointed an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) for services to literature. Typically, his own tongue-in-cheek comment was "I suspect the 'services to literature' consisted of refraining from trying to write any."[18] He has been awarded honorary Doctorates of Literature, by the University of Warwick in 1999,[19] the University of Portsmouth in 2001,[20] the University of Bath in 2003[21] and the University of Bristol in 2004.[22] The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents won the 2001 Carnegie Medal for best children's novel (awarded in 2002). In 2003 Pratchett firmly reinforced his credentials as one of Britain's most loved authors by joining Charles Dickens as the only author with five books in the BBC's Big Read top 100 (four of which were Discworld novels) and was the author with the most novels in the top 200 (fifteen).[23] All the Tiffany Aching novels have received a Locus Award for Best Young Adult Book (2004, 2005, 2007).[24]

[lifeofbrian]

Of course it (HP) is conditioning.

'Oh, magick is so much fun and exciting!'

No, it isn't.

Good intiative Baron.

[december]

That Harry Potter thing is extremely boring...
Why do you even discuss it?

[lifeofbrian]

That Harry Potter thing is extremely boring...
Why do you even discuss it?

There are silent wars on many fronts my friend.

The political.
The social.
The spiritual.
The mental.
The emotional.
The biological.

That is why.

[i am all i am]

What about CS Lewis, Tolkien?

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Edelweiss Pirate.

I have read both authors books and I'd say they are part of the agenda, although I did enjoy 'The Hobbit' and 'Lord of the Rings'.

Consider this...

Bilbo Baggins and twelve dwarfs = Jesus and twelve disciples.

Bilbo was considered the "lucky number", the 13th member of the party.

http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/ringarch1.jpg
http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/ringpage.jpg http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/royalarch1.jpg http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/eagle&7b.jpg

The Lord of the Rings Symbolism

The first installment of Tolkien's 'The Lord of the Rings' was released on DVD and video this week in Britain. When I first saw the film 'The Fellowship of the Ring' at the cinema I noticed a very familiar set of symbols. Now that the film is now widely available it seems timely to take a closer look at this symbolism, and invite further debate. The symbolism in question appears on the door to the dwarven caverns of Moria, a gateway that initially blocks the progress of the beleagured Fellowship.

A symbolic arch is supported by 2 pillars, themselves wrapped by climbing vegetation. The arch bears an inscription written in an ancient form of Elvish, saying "The Doors of Durin, Lord of Moria. Speak, friend, and enter." Drawn below the arch are seven stars and a crown, and below these can be found a much larger star (the 'Star of the House of Feanor').

This motif is very similar to the Royal Arch of the Freemasons, who also incorporate seven stars into the space below the arch. Their arch is comprised of 7 houses of the zodiac, whose position in the sky binds the Duat. As such, the seven stars cannot denote the Pleiades star cluster in Taurus, nor the Corona Borealis, or Northern Crown. They are also not suggestive of any stars present in the Duat itself, specifically around Sirius or Orion. The 'Star of the House of Feanor', however, may be analagous with Sirius if we compare the Door of Durin and the Freemasonic Royal Arch. This then gives us a very specific sky location, into which are incorporated a crown and seven stars.

For reasons which will become apparent in a moment, I proposed that this symbolism might be the same as that of Nibiru, indicating its perihelion location in the sky.

When I first suggested this 6 months or so ago, I received a very informative e-mail from Greg Frey, and I would like to share his thoughts with you here:

"The gateway to Moria in the movie is reproduced directly from Tolkien's drawing in the book "Lord of the Rings". His symbols I'm afraid have nothing to do with alchemy or anything else esoteric. They are a reference to the 7 Dwarven Kings and their rings of power. To understand the symbolism in Tolkien you would need to read the Silmarillion also by Tolkien. Although some parallels will be found with esoteric symbolism I think you would do well to remember that Tolkien was a devout Christian. The parallels I mentioned will be evident for two reasons, neither of them conscious on Tolkien's part: 1) His sources are pagan (The Kalevala, the Ring Cycle of the Niebulung, ancient Celtic and Germanic myth, etc.) and 2) in writing the Silmarillion he accessed the Collective Unconscious of the human race, where many of these archetypal symbols are deeply embedded."

Indeed, the seven stars may well be representative of the seven rings of the Dwarven Lords rather than anything astronomical per se, but I think that Greg's final point is very important. There is a lot of subconscious archetypal imagery at play here, in a Jungian sense, and the initial source of the symbolism may be very deep indeed. Of course, being a devout Christian need not preclude one from esoteric interests. Most Freemasons are Christian, and the new Archbishop of Canterbury is not above the donning of a Druid's mantle! Let us compare Tolkien's Door of Durin with the Royal Arch and the equivalent alchemical imagery:

more at the site here..... http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/ring.html

THANK YOU.



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[december]

There are silent wars on many fronts my friend.

The political.
The social.
The spiritual.
The mental.
The emotional.
The biological.

That is why.

Really? Hmmm... Well, I guess it is a big deal for people who have been watching the Benny Hill Show for ages. :)

It seems to me that Harry Potter is just boring crap...

Someone should make a movie about Shambhala. ;)

http://www.reversespins.com/songofshambhala.jpg

Shambhala - Google Search

[lifeofbrian]

Really? Hmmm... Well, I guess it is a big deal for people who have been watching the Benny Hill Show for ages. :)

It seems to me that Harry Potter is just boring crap...

Someone should make a movie about Shambhala. ;)

http://www.reversespins.com/songofshambhala.jpg

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Shambhala+&btnG=Search

You know, parents with children in the targetted age group become worried. They (I imagine) would not like their children to become potential pawns in a sinister game.

Harry Potter seems very simplistic to me too. Age and experience, eh.

Shamballa/Shambhala - the Garden of Eden eh. There is a book about it? Well, it is mentioned in a book at least.

;)

[john white]

ALL Fiction is a Mirrror:

Seems to me posters on this thread could do with a reminder of that?

[tru3]

Tolkien was a professional philologist, and the languages and the mythologies he studied clearly left an imprint on his fiction. In particular, the dwarves' names in The Hobbit, are taken from the Völuspá of the Edda, while certain plot-elements (for example: the thief stealing a cup from a dragon's hoard) are taken from Beowulf. Tolkien was a recognised authority on Beowulf, and published several important works on the poem. A previously unpublished translation of Beowulf by Tolkien was found in 2004 and is being edited for publication by Michael Drout. Many of the names Tolkien used in LOTR may be found in Middle English poems, the Bible, and other sources.
Tolkien continued to work on the history of Middle-earth until his death. His son Christopher, with some assistance from fantasy writer Guy Gavriel Kay, organised some of this material into one volume, published as The Silmarillion in 1977. Christopher Tolkien continued over subsequent years to publish background material on the creation of Middle-earth. Note that the posthumous works such as The History of Middle-earth series and Unfinished Tales contain unfinished, abandoned, alternative and outright contradictory versions of the stories simply because Tolkien kept inventing new mythologies which reused older ideas over the course of decades.

http://www.inklingbooks.com/page14/biojrrtolkien/biojrrtolkien.html

imo, tolkien was an absent minded professor whose hobby was to invent languages. he didn't even drive a car, he rode a bike. he was a provincial, born in south africa, with no early ties to the establishment, other than his profession at oxford. he was making it up as he went along. even though he was a devout christian, his sources were pagan.

dungeons and dragons grafted onto the popularity of lotr in the sixties and seventies. i have read lotr at least seven times, and i've never even seen a game of dungeons and dragons. i must have massive willpower, go figure.

iaaia, thanks for posting that link, btw. i always thought of lewis as the gnostic, not tolkien. interesting.

[barbitone]

Harry Potter: Good or Bad:eek:

For fooks sake mon. Take a step back back, breathe......

Seriously....geez.

:confused:

What is this Sunday School?

[heretic]

If Harry Potter gets on Baron Von Lotsov's tits, then surely it's manna from heaven.

[lookfar]

Terry Pratchett is another I was wondering about. He is strong in the awards department.

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Pratchett was the British Book Awards Fantasy and Science Fiction Author of the Year for 1994.[17] In 1998 he was appointed an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) for services to literature. Typically, his own tongue-in-cheek comment was "I suspect the 'services to literature' consisted of refraining from trying to write any."[18] He has been awarded honorary Doctorates of Literature, by the University of Warwick in 1999,[19] the University of Portsmouth in 2001,[20] the University of Bath in 2003[21] and the University of Bristol in 2004.[22] The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents won the 2001 Carnegie Medal for best children's novel (awarded in 2002). In 2003 Pratchett firmly reinforced his credentials as one of Britain's most loved authors by joining Charles Dickens as the only author with five books in the BBC's Big Read top 100 (four of which were Discworld novels) and was the author with the most novels in the top 200 (fifteen).[23] All the Tiffany Aching novels have received a Locus Award for Best Young Adult Book (2004, 2005, 2007).[24]

I enjoy Pratchett's stuff, although I'm a couple of years out of date on it now. He touches on lots of subjects & I'd like to go back & read them again now, with my new perspective on things. I also didn't realise he'd received an OBE.

[gordonfreeman]

I' never owned a Harry Potter book or read one before, well only once after reading a single paragraph and said, "Um...what the hell is this about? Wizardry and Witchcraft all together about a single kid with glasses with a marked scar on his forehead made by a evil dark wizard so he can be powerful and die at the end.

I never really liked Harry Potter, but it's fan base and hype has caused most of the people in the same path.

[lottie]

I' never owned a Harry Potter book or read one before, well only once after reading a single paragraph and said, "Um...what the hell is this about? Wizardry and Witchcraft all together about a single kid with glasses with a marked scar on his forehead made by a evil dark wizard so he can be powerful and die at the end.

I never really liked Harry Potter, but it's fan base and hype has caused most of the people in the same path.

yeah....me too!

made me laugh when i heard yesterday people were travelling from Belgium to the UK to get their copy early!!!:eek::rolleyes:

its a book........its not going anywhere....just wait!!:D

[sensimillia]

harry potter - bad, as in crap
terry pratchet - good, as in fabolous
next question?

[auron]

made me laugh when i heard yesterday people were travelling from Belgium to the UK to get their copy early!!!:eek::rolleyes:

HA!! I have them all as pdf's :D:D:D

[gordonfreeman]

I dislike overhype and overrated author-created-media-controlled shit. More mind control for the adults and children of the magical of Harry Potter.

[baron von lotsov]

I think we should take a closer look as other things the system provides children with. My observations are that they are target number one for the NWO along with their dumbed down mothers who thing good is bad and bad is good when deciding how to care for their children. A typical example of how mothers are programmed is to respond by saying "well I stick my child in front of the TV because it keeps him quiet". Naturally they don't realise that the very same TV is programming them as future terrorists. Look at children's cartoons, all feature violence and chaos but when the child is being programmed it is quiet and in a trance, after the programming session it is wild and crazy so the 'solution' is to give them more brainwashing.

[purple is a fruit]

I think we should take a closer look as other things the system provides children with. My observations are that they are target number one for the NWO along with their dumbed down mothers who thing good is bad and bad is good when deciding how to care for their children. A typical example of how mothers are programmed is to respond by saying "well I stick my child in front of the TV because it keeps him quiet". Naturally they don't realise that the very same TV is programming them as future terrorists. Look at children's cartoons, all feature violence and chaos but when the child is being programmed it is quiet and in a trance, after the programming session it is wild and crazy so the 'solution' is to give them more brainwashing.

Dumbed down mothers? Do the fathers get a mention here?

[baron von lotsov]

Dumbed down mothers? Do the fathers get a mention here?



Well this leads me on to another deadly trick that they employ. They run the woman's rights business as well where everything to do with male and female relationships is turned on its head. They train women to be assertive (it's officially called assertiveness training and supposed to be good when looking for a NWO job). Anyway men are being brainwashed to find powerful women attractive and at the same time to be submissive to them. So if a man says to his wife something like "don't you think that you putting our child in front of the TV for such long hours could be bad" the response would be something like either "don't tell me my job" or to give it the "you have no idea how difficult it is looking after children" or some such putdown.

Most compliant men leave their wife to get on with it and besides they are worked to the max, just to bring food to the plate. Speak to any family with children and you will see that the ones that are working have to work extremely long hours just to pay the bills. It never used to be like that but the system knows the less time the parents have with their children the more the system can programme them. Examples today include school breakfast clubs, after school clubs, nurseries attached to NWO companies and that sort of thing. Gordon Brown even admitted the other day it was the state's job to bring up children.

[purple is a fruit]

Well this leads me on to another deadly trick that they employ. They run the woman's rights business as well where everything to do with male and female relationships is turned on its head. They train women to be assertive (it's officially called assertiveness training and supposed to be good when looking for a NWO job). Anyway men are being brainwashed to find powerful women attractive and at the same time to be submissive to them. So if a man says to his wife something like "don't you think that you putting our child in front of the TV for such long hours could be bad" the response would be something like either "don't tell me my job" or to give it the "you have no idea how difficult it is looking after children" or some such putdown.

Most compliant men leave their wife to get on with it and besides they are worked to the max, just to bring food to the plate. Speak to any family with children and you will see that the ones that are working have to work extremely long hours just to pay the bills. It never used to be like that but the system knows the less time the parents have with their children the more the system can programme them. Examples today include school breakfast clubs, after school clubs, nurseries attached to NWO companies and that sort of thing. Gordon Brown even admitted the other day it was the state's job to bring up children.


interesting post baron

Although I dont agree with some of it, a very interesting take. i don't feel there is anything wrong with being an assertive female, but I hear what you are saying.

purple

[baron von lotsov]

The assertive female bit is something that goes against the natural way a woman is and for exactly the same reason the system tries to make males into compliant wimps and all manner of other things that are unnatural, another is childish regression in adults. Whatever it is, the common thing is that they want to pervert nature and this leads to a lot of dysfunctional people who will argue amongst each other, be compromised when they want to band together to fight the system and in general are far easier to manipulate than people who feel content with themselves.

Essentially what I'm saying is the NWO is coming at you from university psychologists who get jobs in NGOs like Greenpeace and all of those charities and then they infuse their poison into society. Just look at how the Red Cross wanted to ban Christmas because they were saying that it could offend people, this is precisely this sort of thing in action. It's completely the same as what the Communists did. (down with the past, the past did not exist/the past is wrong)

[baron von lotsov]

Here is an excellent example of social engineering in action, regarding males.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=4RS5ACEBSCC0NQFIQMFSFFWAVCBQ 0IV0?xml=/news/2007/07/22/wnerd122.xml

[phoenixchilde]

System agenda.

The Harry Potter books introduce young impressionable minds to the New Age Occult.

That doesn't say anything, unless you believe the catholic propaganda that the Occult is a bad thing. The occult is nothing more than knowledge that's been hidden from the people for millenia by those who want us to be week and subservient. Maybe you like being powerless, but some of us don't.

By the way, I have two young nephews who have read all the Harry Potter books, and have no interest in New Age or the Occult. As well, I know numerous Wiccans who haven't read the Harry Potter books, and have no intention to.

So, in conclusion, IT'S JUST A BOOK! DEAL WITH IT!

[phoenixchilde]

The assertive female bit is something that goes against the natural way a woman is

I'm guessing your either a virgin, or you've never advertised that opinion in front of a woman.

[eternal_spirit]

[quote=phoenixchilde;82603]That doesn't say anything, unless you believe the catholic propaganda that the Occult is a bad thing. The occult is nothing more than knowledge that's been hidden from the people for millenia by those who want us to be week and subservient. Maybe you like being powerless, but some of us dont

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Care to share some of this occult knowledge that will make us strong and set us free?

[infinitetruth]

I agree with baron that there is social engineering taking place but it goes even deeper than that.

Women get branded as emotional, as if this is a bad thing.
Men are put down for thinking about sex as if that is a bad thing also.

Both men and women are forced to apologise for being men or women. Its ridiculous. Men are slowly being conditioned to feel attraction for younger and younger looking women, some of the magazines today portray women that look no older than 15. Women are being conditioned to want to look that way also.

Women are also being conditioned to feel that bringing up children is not worthwhile, therefore being encouraged to work whilst having children, which allows less time for the relationship, which in turn breaks down marriages.

Both men and women are being constantly told they are equal, which is distorted by the media into being the 'same'. We are bombarded with images of versions of men and women perfumes and clothes where men and women look and behave remarkably similar, furthering the apologetic stance we have of being ourselves.

Men and women are different, we should accept that and stop apologising for being our gender and stop criticizing others for being theres, the sooner the better. When you understand that a man is different from a woman and the ways in which they are different you can begin to relate one to the other a lot easier. This social engineering is a way to alienate men from women further.

But I apologise for being off topic.

[lifeofbrian]

Come on. Women are no harmless pussycats.

http://www.fathom.com/course/28701919/session5.html

http://www.mellenpress.com/mellenpress.cfm?bookid=6604&pc=9

http://scatoday.net/node/3276

Women as Warriors in History 3500BC to the 20th Century
http://www.lothene.org/others/women.html

http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showpdf.cgi?path=15001159035697

http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/E07078.aspx

[phoenixchilde]

Care to share some of this occult knowledge that will make us strong and set us free?

Where should I start? I've got an entire library of books I've gathered for this information. If you're serious about this, I'd suggest starting with books written by Dion Fortune, she's a really good introduction into the occult. Particularly, her book "What is Occultism" was designed as an introduction to the occult.

You see, one of the big misconceptions westerners have about the occult is that they think it's about having power over others. It's actually about having power over yourself. There' a lot of introspection involved in western occultism. The better you know yourself, the harder it is for others to control you, and that's what this group is all about, right?

[eternal_spirit]

Come on. Women are no harmless pussycats.

http://www.mellenpress.com/mellenpress.cfm?bookid=6604&pc=9

http://scatoday.net/node/3276

Women as Warriors in History 3500BC to the 20th Century
http://www.lothene.org/others/women.html

http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showpdf.cgi?path=15001159035697

http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/E07078.aspx

LOL Reminds me of the story of Buddaka how ever it's spelled the fierce female warrior of ancient Britain her and her female warriors defeated many Roman males warriors. Can't remember how they killed her in the end but it was a trick of some sort.

I believe in reality that women are much more stronger emotionally than most men. men are intellectualy and physically stronger by nature.

[lifeofbrian]

LOL Reminds me of the story of Buddaka how ever it's spelled the fierce female warrior of ancient Britain her and her female warriors defeated many Roman males warriors. Can't remember how they killed her in the end but it was a trick of some sort.

I believe in reality that women are much more stronger emotionally than most men. men are intellectualy and physically stronger by nature.

The idea of women being 'weak' is Victorian if anything. Straight out of 'good ole England'. Not 'true' at all. It is the original conditioning of men to view women as malleable servants/babysitters for their offspring.

Think about it. Only ball-less men need to view women as something inferior and fragile. In real life, any man who has had a relationship with a grown woman would know, women can be tougher and more cruel than men counting on 'team spirit' as in a 'let's agree not to expose we are boys pretending to be men'.

Getting on a bit, have to say I appreciate women with a brain and ability to know what they want with their lives. A strong woman is a far better partner than some weakling with an authority complex and bizarre desire to be approved of. What the fuck.

Men who want eternal subserviant women tend to find them in certain Asian countries.

Good luck to them with that.

http://www.fathom.com/course/28701919/session5.html

[phoenixchilde]

You bring up a very good point LifeofBrian. Love the Monty Python reference by the way.

Baron tried to suggest that assertive women always mate with compliant, ball-less guys. If you take a good look at the world around you, it's plain to see that's not the case. A psychologist once told me that like attracts like. Strong, assertive women look for men that they can respect, which is of course strong assertive men. The weak and compliant women look for men that they think they can control, which is of course the weak and compliant men.(If you can call them men at that point)

[eternal_spirit]

Where should I start? I've got an entire library of books I've gathered for this information. If you're serious about this, I'd suggest starting with books written by Dion Fortune, she's a really good introduction into the occult. Particularly, her book "What is Occultism" was designed as an introduction to the occult.

You see, one of the big misconceptions westerners have about the occult is that they think it's about having power over others. It's actually about having power over yourself. There' a lot of introspection involved in western occultism. The better you know yourself, the harder it is for others to control you, and that's what this group is all about, right?


That's a good point about having more control of yourself than others do but it works both ways and the truth usually is about control over others. to get your own way? Mind control hypnotism indoctrination etc comes to mind
Dion Fortune had some very dodgy connections I think she was promoted and involved with the Blavatsky school of thought and connected to masons new age occult type stuff, if you've done you're research this below will make it obvious. You have to read between the lines.

Dion Fortune - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia More reading at this link

She was born at Bryn-y-Bia (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bryn-y-Bia&action=edit) in Llandudno - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales, and grew up in a household where Christian Science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia was rigorously practiced.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-DruryDoM) She reported http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_%28religion%29 of Atlantis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia at age four[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-3) and the developing of psychic abilities during her twentieth year,[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-4) at which time she suffered a nervous breakdown; after her recovery she found herself drawn to the Occult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-DruryDoM) She joined the Theosophical Society - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-DruryDoM) and attended courses in Psychology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Psychoanalysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia at the University of London - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-5) and became a lay psychotherapist at the Medico-Psychological Clinic in Brunswick Square.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-6)
Her first magical mentor was the Irish people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia occultist and Freemasonry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Theodore Moriarty.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-7) In 1919 she was initiated into the London Temple of the Alpha et Omega - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-8) before transferring to the Stella Matutina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia order.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-9)

Dion Fortune met and corresponded with Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, whom she acknowledged in the introduction of The Mystical Qabalah.[2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-23)

[eternal_spirit]

Alpha et Omega - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Alpha et Omega was founded in Paris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France by Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia in 1906 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Mathers was a co-founder and Chief of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, founded in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England in 1888 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Mathers founded the Alpha et Omega in response to a rebellion of Adept - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London and an ensuing public scandal which had brought the name of the Golden Dawn into disrepute.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_et_Omega#_note-0)
When Mathers died in 1918, he was succeeded by his wife, Moina Mathers in cooperation with J. W. Brodie-Innes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._W._Brodie-Innes).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_et_Omega#_note-1) In 1922, she sanctioned Dion Fortune - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia to operate the Fraternity of the Inner Light - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia as an appended body to the Alpha et Omega, which brought in new members.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_et_Omega#_note-2)
E.J. Langford-Garstin and Mrs. Tranchell-Hayes took control after the death of Moina Mathers.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_et_Omega#_note-3) They were particularly annoyed with the publication of Israel Regardie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Golden Dawn[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_et_Omega#_note-4), the first volume of which contained the knowledge lectures of the Outer Order and therefore had a shattering effect on the Alpha et Omega as well as on the Stella Matutina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_et_Omega#_note-5)

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_et_Omega&action=edit&section=2)] See also


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn_%28Rosicrucian_O rder_of_A%2BO%29®
Cipher Manuscripts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Secret Chiefs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[lifeofbrian]

You bring up a very good point LifeofBrian. Love the Monty Python reference by the way.

Baron tried to suggest that assertive women always mate with compliant, ball-less guys. If you take a good look at the world around you, it's plain to see that's not the case. A psychologist once told me that like attracts like. Strong, assertive women look for men that they can respect, which is of course strong assertive men. The weak and compliant women look for men that they think they can control, which is of course the weak and compliant men.(If you can call them men at that point)

I agree with you.

[baron von lotsov]

I agree with baron that there is social engineering taking place but it goes even deeper than that.

Women get branded as emotional, as if this is a bad thing.
Men are put down for thinking about sex as if that is a bad thing also.

Both men and women are forced to apologise for being men or women. Its ridiculous. Men are slowly being conditioned to feel attraction for younger and younger looking women, some of the magazines today portray women that look no older than 15. Women are being conditioned to want to look that way also.

Women are also being conditioned to feel that bringing up children is not worthwhile, therefore being encouraged to work whilst having children, which allows less time for the relationship, which in turn breaks down marriages.

Both men and women are being constantly told they are equal, which is distorted by the media into being the 'same'. We are bombarded with images of versions of men and women perfumes and clothes where men and women look and behave remarkably similar, furthering the apologetic stance we have of being ourselves.

Men and women are different, we should accept that and stop apologising for being our gender and stop criticizing others for being theres, the sooner the better. When you understand that a man is different from a woman and the ways in which they are different you can begin to relate one to the other a lot easier. This social engineering is a way to alienate men from women further.

But I apologise for being off topic.

That was exactly what I was trying to get at. The agenda is well established, if you study it closely you will see it all makes 100% sense and is entirely consistent. You can predict stuff and you find out it maps out exactly as the plan has been laid out.

The 14 year old sex symbols serve various purposes, one being the impossibility of a 30 year old woman to look 14 however much crap she buys from the NWO fix-it merchants. Also we have already had homosexuality accepted and the next step is paedophilia becoming the same protected status. I know people would be horrified at that now but they would have reacted the same way to homosexuality in the 1950s.

Slow and coordinated change over a long time frame is how they do it. Keep generations separated from one another, hence the reason for the pop subculture and youth rebellion against the mores of their parents, circa 1960. Now for all those that don't know the other part of the social engineering is to make the occult mainstream and also to make pornography socially acceptable and of an art form status. Some of these parts of the plan have not fully come on line yet, but you watch and see.

[baron von lotsov]

That's a good point about having more control of yourself than others do but it works both ways and the truth usually is about control over others. to get your own way? Mind control hypnotism indoctrination etc comes to mind
Dion Fortune had some very dodgy connections I think she was promoted and involved with the Blavatsky school of thought and connected to masons new age occult type stuff, if you've done you're research this below will make it obvious. You have to read between the lines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune More reading at this link

She was born at Bryn-y-Bia (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bryn-y-Bia&action=edit) in Llandudno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llandudno), Wales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales), and grew up in a household where Christian Science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science) was rigorously practiced.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-DruryDoM) She reported visions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_%28religion%29) of Atlantis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis) at age four[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-3) and the developing of psychic abilities during her twentieth year,[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-4) at which time she suffered a nervous breakdown; after her recovery she found herself drawn to the occult (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occultism).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-DruryDoM) She joined the Theosophical Society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophical_Society)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-DruryDoM) and attended courses in psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology) and psychoanalysis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoanalysis) at the University of London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_London),[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-5) and became a lay psychotherapist at the Medico-Psychological Clinic in Brunswick Square.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-6)
Her first magical mentor was the Irish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people) occultist and Freemason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemason) Theodore Moriarty.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-7) In 1919 she was initiated into the London Temple of the Alpha et Omega (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_et_Omega)[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-8) before transferring to the Stella Matutina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Matutina) order.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-9)

Dion Fortune met and corresponded with Aleister Crowley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley), whom she acknowledged in the introduction of The Mystical Qabalah.[2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Fortune#_note-23)

Yeh, that bitch has something to do with this area I live in, the NA capital called Glastonbury. She was certainly one of the elite movers and shakers and very evil. It's the sort of thing the initiates get introduced to higher up the pecking order, rather than shop front merchandise.

[gordonfreeman]

My brother told me that money is more important then marriage. Because money is the most important thing of the world to the masses. That's why we don't so much Love, but more brain-wash, manipulation, and programming. I can tell by the way people talk and act. Society right now is fucked up, we all already know that.

Feminism is a part of the Elite's job to keep the society controlled.

[Anders Lindman]

Harry Potter could potentially be a massive vehicle/tool for propaganda. I don't know if it is used for propaganda though.

[baron von lotsov]

Yes, pretty much every trend has been engineered by them. Any trend that seems stupid almost certainly has.

[synergy777]

very good points.

the rothschilds are on paper as saying, releasing women to work would give them more taxable subjects. as for social engineering, look at society, that should be more than enough evidence to show how they have engineered its demise. look the metro/ladette gender swap. look at divorce rates, infidelity, women with kids from different partners, the family unit is broken.look at the processed diet, injections, chemicals, pills, lower fertility rates. many women after going on the pill etc have problems conceiving, need ivf. the elite are very clever and ruthless, they use every method to gain control/power.

people are livestock, they work to keep the elite in power, you even have royalty eg prince phillip saying if he was reincarnated, he would like to return as a virus to kill people off. people only reject these ideas as they are arrogant/ignorant, and can't fathom/imagine the workings of the elite mindset.

[Anders Lindman]

To speculate a bit and looking at it from a conspiracy perspective, Harry Potter is the real education along with the Transformers, My Little Pony, Spider-Man and the rest. Ordinary education is made as dull and boring as possible, purposely. In school, the children are given only the lowest possible education, with for example math that the children only learn how to use mechanically, and geography which they soon will forget, and of course language education so that they can read Harry Potter. Harry Potter is not at all like the boring classroom. Harry Potter books are filled with fantastic and thoroughly entertaining stories which takes place in a highly symbolic and fantasy-filled world. Here, in the world of witches and sorcerers, the real education of the children takes place. Vast amounts of information are willingly soaked up by their from school excitement-deprived minds. And the managers of this propaganda machine are gladly pumping out sequel after sequel.

[i am all i am]

iaaia, thanks for posting that link, btw. i always thought of lewis as the gnostic, not tolkien. interesting.

I LOVE YOU.

You are welcome brother.

I prefer Tolkien to read over Lewis any day. I've read LoTR 3 times and The Hobbit about 5 times. About four years ago I re-read the Narnia series and didn't enjoy it anywhere near as much as I enjoyed Tolkien.

Although I'd prefer to read the Dune series over both. Frank Herbert was an absolute genius.

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[i am all i am]

.....Also we have already had homosexuality accepted.....

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Baron.

Could you please explain what the problem is that you have with two consenting adults having sex together ???

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[Anders Lindman]

Harry Potter is not at all like the boring classroom.

Compare:

http://www.azad-hye.net/photos/photoalbumimgs/kuwait-2006-10.jpg

With:

http://www.buzzparadise.com/IMG/jpg/harry_potter_seeding.jpg


Which one looks more fun?

:D

[phoenixchilde]

That's a good point about having more control of yourself than others do but it works both ways and the truth usually is about control over others. to get your own way? Mind control hypnotism indoctrination etc comes to mind
Dion Fortune had some very dodgy connections I think she was promoted and involved with the Blavatsky school of thought and connected to masons new age occult type stuff, if you've done you're research this below will make it obvious. You have to read between

Oh yeah, the Blavatsky stuff. You ever talked to any of those Theosophists? They're a little creepy. But if you take a look at Dion Fortune's history, she left those guys behind because she found them to be sketchy. If you look into some of her writings, she's rather vocal against a lot of the petty drama that occurs in the new age and occult communities. Unfortunately, 50 years later, it still happens a lot.

One of the greatest proofs of Dion Fortune's moral backbone was her involvement in World War 2. Take a look into a book called The Magical Battle of Britain. It outlines how she was contacted by Churchill to use magic to protect England from the Nazis. I'm sure we can all tell that if England had fallen, the allies would have had a much harder time taking back europe.

[phoenixchilde]

Although I'd prefer to read the Dune series over both. Frank Herbert was an absolute genius.

Tell me you didn't just say that. Dune is awesome, but better than Lord of the Rings? Herbert couldn't even make up his mind. First they want to bring water and life to Arakis, and then they want to bring back the desert. C'mon, make up your mind!

[eternal_spirit]

Quote phoenixchilde

One of the greatest proofs of Dion Fortune's moral backbone was her involvement in World War 2. Take a look into a book called The Magical Battle of Britain. It outlines how she was contacted by Churchill to use magic to protect England from the Nazis. I'm sure we can all tell that if England had fallen, the allies would have had a much harder time taking back europe.[/quote]


Are you serious? It was people like my grand dad that went over to Europe to fight the Nazis Not some hocus pocus magick ritual get real man. I read that Crowley was supposesd to have done rituals to end the war which is absolute nonsense.......the discarnate entity which he channeled the book of law from said it was necessary the earth shall be bathed in blood with wars to usher out the old age and bring about the New age which was part of the Elite's depopulation programme.

If they can help stop wars with rituals why's the planet full of war? BTW Churhill was part of the lluminati Elite. The Rothchild Illuminati bankers funded both sides in the war.

[i am all i am]

Tell me you didn't just say that. Dune is awesome, but better than Lord of the Rings? Herbert couldn't even make up his mind. First they want to bring water and life to Arakis, and then they want to bring back the desert. C'mon, make up your mind!

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Phoenixchilde.

Actually I did say that.

By your belief in singularities, in granular absolutes, you deny movement, even the movement of evolution. While you cause a granular universe to persist in your awareness, you are blind to movement. When things change, your absolute universe vanishes, no longer accessible to your self-limiting perceptions. The universe has moved beyond you.


Lucilla: "Karl Marx made the mistake most jealous humans make; thinking everythinghe hated was evil and that he had the best correctives. He never faced the the fact that jealousy and hatred themselves are the problem. The first correction has to be within you."


Teg: "You seldom learn the names of the truly wealthy and pwerful. You see only their spokesmen. The political arena makes few exceptions to this but does not reveal the full power structure."


Teg: "The writing of history is largely a process of diversion. Most historical accounts divert attention from the secret influences around the recorded event."


Muad'Dib: "The mind imposes this framework which it calls 'reality'. That arbitrary framework has a tendency to be quite independent of what your senses report."


Bene Gesserit Coda: Those that would repeat the past must control the teaching of history.


The Preacher: Church and state, scientific reason and faith, the individual and his community, even progress and tradition - all of these can be reconciled in the teachings of Muad'Dib. He taught us that there exist no transigent opposites except in the beliefs of men. Anyone can rip aside the veil of Time. You can discover the future in the past or in your own imagination. Doing this, you win back your consciousness in your inner being. You know then that the universe is a coherent whole and you are indivisible from it.

"better" is not the way that I would describe it. As I said, I prefer to read the Dune series. Personally, I find that their is great information that is contained within the whole series that is mentally stimulating in a way that LoTR isn't.

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[baron von lotsov]

Quote phoenixchilde

One of the greatest proofs of Dion Fortune's moral backbone was her involvement in World War 2. Take a look into a book called The Magical Battle of Britain. It outlines how she was contacted by Churchill to use magic to protect England from the Nazis. I'm sure we can all tell that if England had fallen, the allies would have had a much harder time taking back europe.


Are you serious? It was people like my grand dad that went over to Europe to fight the Nazis Not some hocus pocus magick ritual get real man. I read that Crowley was supposesd to have done rituals to end the war which is absolute nonsense.......the discarnate entity which he channeled the book of law from said it was necessary the earth shall be bathed in blood with wars to usher out the old age and bring about the New age which was part of the Elite's depopulation programme.

If they can help stop wars with rituals why's the planet full of war? BTW Churhill was part of the lluminati Elite. The Rothchild Illuminati bankers funded both sides in the war.[/QUOTE]

There is a thing knocking around our area from serious historians that said that there was occult practiced locally to aid WW2 efforts. It might even have been officially sanctioned to some degree. I read it in my local paper which is generally a reliable source and quite serious. I'm sure it did go on but to see it unearthed by historians is really confirming what a lot of us have known for a long time. Namely the elite use war as some black magic sacrifice ritual. This would be known to the public only as helping the war efforts. Sure it helped (the elite!).

[eternal_spirit]

[/quote] baron von lostov

There is a thing knocking around our area from serious historians that said that there was occult practiced locally to aid WW2 efforts. It might even have been officially sanctioned to some degree. I read it in my local paper which is generally a reliable source and quite serious. I'm sure it did go on but to see it unearthed by historians is really confirming what a lot of us have known for a long time. Namely the elite use war as some black magic sacrifice ritual. This would be known to the public only as helping the war efforts. Sure it helped (the elite!).[/quote]

.................................................. ..........

Agreed baron, the ritual I read about Crowley performed according to Crowley's son (Imado) he gave a very brief description which was this ......
A model of a boy dressed in a school uniform attached to a susspended rope from one tree to another and slid along the rope.

That's all he said weird and not much info I'm afraid. As far as I can remember his excuse for not explainig he wasn't aloud to divulge top secret info sounds like a crock to me.

[phoenixchilde]

Are you serious? It was people like my grand dad that went over to Europe to fight the Nazis Not some hocus pocus magick ritual get real man.

You're in a forum that talks about chemtrails, symbolism hidden in the Harry Potter books and wars done for the purpose of satanic rituals, and you're referring to one of the greatest occult acheivements of the 20th century as "hocus pocus." Hello Mr. Kettle, this is the Pot.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to diminish the importance of what your granddad did, or mine, who fought in the resistance. In a forum that discusses conspiracies and satanic rituals conducted by the elite, why's it so hard to give serious thought to an occult ritual that helped people?

I read that Crowley was supposesd to have done rituals to end the war which is absolute nonsense.......the discarnate entity which he channeled the book of law from said it was necessary the earth shall be bathed in blood with wars to usher out the old age and bring about the New age which was part of the Elite's depopulation programme.

Crowley was a drug addict and a nymphomaniac. Everything he said or wrote is tainted by his massive emotional problems. The British miltary has a psychological profile on him that could make most Wiccans blush.

If they can help stop wars with rituals why's the planet full of war? BTW Churhill was part of the lluminati Elite.

Well, for starters, Fortune died within a couple of years of the end of WW2. Second, we currently don't have any world leaders that have both the moral backbone and occult knowledge to get this done.

The Rothchild Illuminati bankers funded both sides in the war.

I've heard a lot of people say that, but no one's proved it.

[phoenixchilde]

"better" is not the way that I would describe it. As I said, I prefer to read the Dune series. Personally, I find that their is great information that is contained within the whole series that is mentally stimulating in a way that LoTR isn't.

I find that interesting, because I would say the opposite. I found Lord of the Rings to be very mentally stimulating, while I found Dune to be mildly stimulating. You see, a lot of writers create their own universe, and most just tell their story within their universe. Tolkein on the other hand, told you ABOUT his universe. Now maybe I'm biased because I've only read the first in the Dune series, but I didn't find that with Herbert. What I like the most about Dune was that even though it was set in a science fiction universe, it was not boring the way that most sci-fi is.

[eternal_spirit]

phoneix it's 3am man let's say we agree to disagree for now. I may get back to this later.

[eternal_spirit]

BTW Clive Barkers about the best author.

[baron von lotsov]

baron von lostov

There is a thing knocking around our area from serious historians that said that there was occult practiced locally to aid WW2 efforts. It might even have been officially sanctioned to some degree. I read it in my local paper which is generally a reliable source and quite serious. I'm sure it did go on but to see it unearthed by historians is really confirming what a lot of us have known for a long time. Namely the elite use war as some black magic sacrifice ritual. This would be known to the public only as helping the war efforts. Sure it helped (the elite!).[/quote]

.................................................. ..........

Agreed baron, the ritual I read about Crowley performed according to Crowley's son (Imado) he gave a very brief description which was this ......
A model of a boy dressed in a school uniform attached to a susspended rope from one tree to another and slid along the rope.

That's all he said weird and not much info I'm afraid. As far as I can remember his excuse for not explainig he wasn't aloud to divulge top secret info sounds like a crock to me.[/QUOTE]


Who knows? I mean there is so much crap on the Internet these days about this sort of thing. If you don't get any proper sources then unless it fits right in with something you know it's probably best to ignore it.

However apart from the New Agers around here there are some old folk who have nothing to do with that sort of thing and they have interests in local history and I think they have some local society for it. These kinds of people are quite useful sometimes because they are old school in that they do proper historical research as a kind of amateur interest. Some of it is quite fascinating including the fact they had a secret WW2 communications centre near to me. It's just a bit of common land to most but there is a shaft leading down to a whole underground bunker system and they showed a photograph of it during the time it was being used.

So these people sometimes dig up some interesting stuff and this is where I heard that occult stuff was taking place to aid the war effort and that it had something to do with the establishment as I recall.

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I find that interesting, because I would say the opposite. I found Lord of the Rings to be very mentally stimulating, while I found Dune to be mildly stimulating. You see, a lot of writers create their own universe, and most just tell their story within their universe. Tolkein on the other hand, told you ABOUT his universe. Now maybe I'm biased because I've only read the first in the Dune series, but I didn't find that with Herbert. What I like the most about Dune was that even though it was set in a science fiction universe, it was not boring the way that most sci-fi is.

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G'day Phoenixchilde.

I totally agree that Tolkein is great at describing the world of Middle Earth. Frank Herbert I find mentally stimulating in how he described how the universe functions. If you enjoy reading, I recommend the rest of the series, there are six all up.

Yeah, I don't tend to read much science fiction. The little bit that I have read I also found to be on the boring side. I'd prefer to read David and Leigh Eddings, Raymond Fiest, Robert Jordan, Anne McCaffrey, R.A. Macavoy, as well as many others of the fantsy genre.

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Glad you bring him up.

His novel 'Going Postal' is all about becoming a mason....

Guy does something wrong, is sentenced to death...undegoes a symbolic death but is returned to life but told that he must SERVE.

Given the job of turning around the postal system (echoes of current system in UK where a former conman put in charge of Royal Mail)..

Tries to escape but finds he is 'shadowed' or comapassed on all sides...

I stopped reading there because I was getting bad feelings about what I was reading.. Funny yes, but doesn't mean it's good.

The guy is part of the agenda too I'm afraid....