Daily Mail Fund to Privately Prosecute Sleaze MPs

[nofuture]

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The Daily Mail begins a crusade today to bring to justice MPs whose flagrant abuse of expenses has shamed Britain.
We are joining forces with the TaxPayers' Alliance to launch a campaign to fund the private criminal prosecutions of backbenchers and ministers who have pocketed thousands of pounds through dishonest claims.
The 'Bring Them To Justice' campaign follows seven days of extraordinary disclosures which have dragged the reputation of British politics to a shameful low point.
Despite overwhelming evidence of an endemic culture of crooked expenses claims amongst MPs, legal experts think it highly unlikely that police and the Crown Prosecution Service will bring criminal charges against any of them.

Scotland Yard chiefs are understood to be decidedly lukewarm about bringing fraud charges since they are still smarting from the fiasco of the 'cash for honours' investigation.

But eminent lawyers believe that the actions of some ministers and MPs are blatant enough to warrant prosecution for offences which can carry a jail sentence of at least a year for anyone found guilty.

They argue that in the absence of a Crown prosecution there are powerful grounds for a private case which would see their behaviour subjected to the scrutiny of a court of law.

Last night London Mayor Boris Johnson suggested that there was a case for the police to be called in.

'I think, frankly, looking at some of these cases it looks to me as though Plod needs to come in,' he told Sky News's Jeff Randall Live programme.

'I must be careful what I say because I am chairman of the Metropolitan Police Authority, but it looks to me as though some people may very well have a serious case to answer.'

Yesterday was one of Parliament's blackest days.

The expenses scandal claimed a Tory and a Labour scalp - and two sleazy Labour peers faced the shame of being the first to be suspended from the House of Lords since 1642.

The MP under the most acute scrutiny is Elliot Morley, the Labour former minister who was suspended from the party yesterday.

Mr Morley claimed £16,000 towards paying interest on a mortgage that had in fact already been paid off.

He also charged mortgage interest on a London property which he let out to an MP colleague, who claimed the rent from the taxpayer.

Lawyers believe Mr Morley would be open to prosecution under the 2006 Fraud Act or the 1968 Theft Act if his action to pocket the cash was through 'deliberate intention'.

Other MPs whose expenses claims are deeply disturbing include three ministers.


One is Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, who claimed her sister's back bedroom was her main home while claiming £130,000 in allowances for the 'second' home she shared with her husband and children.

Communities Secretary Hazel Blears avoided capital gains tax when she sold a flat after telling the taxman it was her main home.

She had claimed expenses on the same property after telling the Fees Office in the Commons that it was her second home.

Employment Minister Tony McNulty claimed second home expenses on a house in which his parents were living.

And yesterday husband and wife Tory MPs Andrew MacKay and Julie Kirkbride were shown to have claimed more than £280,000 between them for second homes.

While Mr MacKay said their London home was a second home, Miss Kirkbride named their home in her Bromsgrove constituency in the Midlands as her second home.

Senior lawyers believe that the behaviour of MPs may well amount to fraud.

Barrister and fraud specialist Jonathan Caplan QC said: ' Anybody who makes a claim for expenses which is fraudulent or dishonest is committing an offence of fraud because they because they are obtaining money by deception. The offence is committed against whoever holds the bank account.'

Mr Caplan added: 'It would be an offence of fraud because you a making a false claim for money.

'What you have to show is that when they made the application for expenses they knew that was a fraudulent claim.'

There are also serious questions over a number of MPs who ordered furniture on the taxpayer for their second homes but had it delivered elsewhere.

Among these were junior minister Kevin Brennan, who had a widescreen television delivered to his family house in Wales then claimed the £450 cost back using his London second home allowance.

LibDem home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne had a £119 Corby trouser press, finished in mahogany, delivered to his home in London, even though his second home allowance is only for his constituency address in Eastleigh, Hampshire.

Matthew Elliott, of the TaxPayers' Alliance, said: 'We are extremely pleased to be teaming up with the Daily Mail to try to secure private prosecutions of the most fraudulent MPs in the House of Commons.

'These outright abuses of the expenses system are an affront to taxpayers and our democracy and are far too serious to ignore. We can no longer pretend that such acts can be dispelled by waving apology cheques or claiming lapses of memory.'

Mr Elliott added: 'We are grateful for the support of Daily Mail readers and taxpayers across the country. This is a dark period for Parliament, but justice must be seen to be done to restore the reputation of politics in Britain.'

Other lawyers stressed the difficulties of bringing a private prosecution. Barrister and former MP Sir Ivan Lawrence said: 'There has to be evidence of an intention to defraud. A private prosecution is plausible but has to be thoroughly considered.'

Although police are reluctant to begin an inquiry - Metropolitan Police Chief Sir Paul Stephenson said last week that he was concerned that politically-inspired cases are a waste of police time - prosecution authorities can take over if they believe there is a chance of a conviction.

The Daily Mail is launching an appeal to create a fighting fund to cover the legal expenses of the private prosecutions.
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[notmarkk]

Cool :)

So are the daily mail good guys to a certain degree?

[nofuture]

Even if you dislike the politics of the DM (which I do) I think this is worth backing. Let's send some of these greedy warmongering bloodsucking bastards to prison.:D

[cheeb]

Even if you dislike the politics of the DM (which I do) I think this is worth backing. Let's send some of these greedy warmongering bloodsucking bastards to prison.:D


I Am Not A Great Fan Of The Daily Mail...

But This Is A Good Campaign...!!!

All lawyers will recognise the oft cited aphorism of Lord Hewart from Rex v Sussex Justices; Ex parte McCarthy:


“… it is not merely of some importance but is of fundamental importance
,

that justice should not only be done, but should manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done.”


http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CoFKQnabwH8C&pg=RA10-PA39&lpg=RA10-PA39&dq=R+v+Sussex+Justices%3B+Ex+parte+McCarthy+[1924]&source=bl&ots=zS0T1pbRVN&sig=xMWJLwrb0QxjarrMntFeYknqnnY&hl=en&ei=PrQMSu24JoeN_QbGlJChCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#PRA10-PA41,M1

:)

[tb303]

Whilst it is good to see these greedy bastards getting exposed, why is it happening now?

Why isn't the media covering the real wielders of power at the Biderberg meeting in Greece and not these puppets?

Why doesn't the Mail and the rest of the media address the £40 million a day that the EU leeches from us which makes what these puppets have stolen totally insignificant by comparison?

This is all designed to increase the anger with some and the apathy with the rest towards British politicians and politics so that when the EU finally takes full control, there'll be nobody left to prevent it.

As if the Daily Mail is somehow going against the agenda :rolleyes:

[socrates]

Fantastic. It's time the people brought these bastards down.

[robindean]

wow

I gave up hope on the daily mail ages ago

this is something The Sun would do?

weird

[deca]

I think this is good, think they were going to air their dirty washing/ say they have changed and cleaned their act up how they have changed then turn on us......

you no what they normally do hold an inquest say lesson have be learnt and nobody gets done ....not this time thou

[spiraltrance]

For once The Mail are doing a crusade I actualy support.

[spiraltrance]

Whilst it is good to see these greedy bastards getting exposed, why is it happening now?

As if the Daily Mail is somehow going against the agenda :rolleyes:

Don't be so sure. All going as planned in the run up to 2012. First the banking system was exposed as being corrupt, now the politicians. The next wave will likely hit the media, then finaly the elitists themselves.

[notmarkk]

Don't be so sure. All going as planned in the run up to 2012. First the banking system was exposed as being corrupt, now the politicians. The next wave will likely hit the media, then finaly the elitists themselves.

How do you mean? The things getting exposed help the NWO agenda?

Curious

[spiraltrance]

How do you mean? The things getting exposed help the NWO agenda?

Curious

As we approach 2012 all the corruptions that have been hidden from the collective consciousness will exposed. The NWO are probably aiming to skew the after-effects to suit there agenda. Doesn't necesarily mean they will be succesful.

[elysiumfire]

It is obvious that the divide between the people and parliment has reached a pinnacle point in history, never has it been so wide and bereft of commonality, equality, and fraternity. Dissolution of parliment and government can be the only prognosis against the symptoms of our sickened democracy.

Trust in politics and politicians has been evaporating slowly over the years, but it seems now, with the exposure by the Telegraph into false-claims made on expenses, that a rent was torn wider and deeper, and trust has all but disappeared completely, and a contraction is now setting in as all important decisions have to be made concerning the future of politics in Britain. Let us not be self-delusory here, we are talking about a major breakdown in one of the cornerstones of British society. In fact we are looking at complete and utter disagreement between our contry's heart (people) and head (government), and the only way to mend it would be to regain trust. Yet, the very politicians that brought about this breakdown are the same ones seeking to have your trust again.

I for one, being a very forgiving individual, cannot in all conscience give them that trust. Why? Simply because, if it was a situation that affected me only, I would perhaps be able to forgive and give trust, but it is not just affecting me, it is affecting all of us, and I cannot give trust on that issue. I cannot allow my conscience to be a arbiter that may potentially affect others detrimentally. Every single person currently serving as a member of parliment must be examined, and if found wanting, must be swept out of their priviledged position.

We have seen attempts by Brown and other high-placed individuals to circumnavigate the moral responsibility of those placed in such positions. We have become cognizant of the contemptibility in which they hold this country, perceiving it simply as a cash-cow for their own benefit. Stephen Fry believes it to be of no consequence, but fails (it seems) to understand that it is public money, and the inequality of law against its misuse and abuse that is at the heart of the people's discontent, outrage, and lack of trust.

This is a real can of worms, and we should steel ourselves to the revelations that are going to come to the public's attention, especially so when one or two of the offenders start to squeal and tell the truth about the system that is milked for all it's worth by all members of parliment.

It is all connected. Connected in the way of our country's finance and how it is regulated. We do not know how long this kind of false accounting has been going on, but I am sure we can assume that it has been going on for a very long time, and it is a cross-party practice. They are connected into the banking debacle, old school tie and all that. Connected in the lobbying by industry, and other forms of economic control...and we are paying for the priviledge of it all.

So, my question now is...why has the Telegraph seen fit to suddenly want to break the truth to the public on the corruption at the heart of our country's politics? What agenda (and whose) is it unfolding, and what outcome is it expecting?

Let's face it, over the last decade or so, newspapers have not exactly been falling over themselves to break the truth to the people about anything. In fact, they have done the opposite. They have obsfucated, misled, lied, and misdirected the public constantly. So what is going on? What are they privvy to that warrants the potential breakdown of British society? That's what I want to know as well!

[gilly]

If things had gone to plan for tptb, the Lisbon Treaty would be unanimously signed & ready to go - meaning that national governments would be dissolving soon, and governmental power would be passed into total EU control.

Things didn't go to plan (thank you Ireland!), so I think this is all being leaked & whipped up, to provide the devious bastards with a different reason to action the same plan.

Make their corruption visible (and it's not just the one political party) = PROBLEM

People will be baying for their blood, and expressing outrage and distrust at our country's leaders = REACTION

It can be resolved, decisively - chuck out national government, and the good old EU will run the show instead - 3 cheers for the EU! = SOLUTION

[elysiumfire]

Gilly:...chuck out national government, and the good old EU will run the show instead - 3 cheers for the EU!

Okay, so we chuck out the current government, how does the EU end up running our country? Please show me the path by which it takes the reins after we have got rid of the EU stooges...there isn't one without conflict. Is the EU just going to march right in, take seats in Westminister and start managing the country...whom are we talking about? Identify and clarify what you say and mean.

Look Gilly, and others, regardless of your own agenda, regardless of what you each would like to see, we are not playing a game here. We are talking about the present and future stability of our country.

Okay, so Brown decides to throw his fate (and that of the nation) to the people, he says..." Okay Mr and Mrs Disgruntled, you decide!" What you gonna do? Are you going to vote, and if so who for? Whom can you trust? It's that serious! This is the mess we're all in, are we capable of giving trust to anyone? I want to vote for someone, but whom can I trust to do the right thing for my country, and my fellow compatriots. I don't want Europe sticking its nose into British sovereign affairs, but I want to trade with them, and they with us. I don't want ID cards or RFID chips. I don't want a police state! I don't want a military coup to take place here, because it might occur if some in the military feel that the status quo of our society is about to go into meltdown. What is the solution? Where do we turn?

Seriously, for the first time in its history, British politics is in deep trouble, and the people with it. We are as a political nation becoming unstable, and although I am not afraid of that instability, I am afraid of its outcome for the country.

[gilly]

Gilly:

Okay, so we chuck out the current government, how does the EU end up running our country? Please show me the path by which it takes the reins after we have got rid of the EU stooges...there isn't one without conflict. Is the EU just going to march right in, take seats in Westminister and start managing the country...whom are we talking about? Identify and clarify what you say and mean.

Look Gilly, and others, regardless of your own agenda, regardless of what you each would like to see, we are not playing a game here. We are talking about the present and future stability of our country.

Okay, so Brown decides to throw his fate (and that of the nation) to the people, he says..." Okay Mr and Mrs Disgruntled, you decide!" What you gonna do? Are you going to vote, and if so who for? Whom can you trust? It's that serious! This is the mess we're all in, are we capable of giving trust to anyone? I want to vote for someone, but whom can I trust to do the right thing for my country, and my fellow compatriots. I don't want Europe sticking its nose into British sovereign affairs, but I want to trade with them, and they with us. I don't want ID cards or RFID chips. I don't want a police state! I don't want a military coup to take place here, because it might occur if some in the military feel that the status quo of our society is about to go into meltdown. What is the solution? Where do we turn?

Seriously, for the first time in its history, British politics is in deep trouble, and the people with it. We are as a political nation becoming unstable, and although I am not afraid of that instability, I am afraid of its outcome for the country.


If you believe I have a personal 'agenda', I'd like you to PM me with your reasoning for that please. Have you mistakenly thought I would be in favour of the events speculated on in my previous post unfolding?

What happened when Iceland overthrew their dodgy government a couple of months back? The "solution" was to fast-track them into the EU.

I'm pretty sure we are all acutely aware that we are not playing a game here, and the purpose of this thread is to try to determine what game tptb are playing, because those who think the media has suddenly changed is colours are wrong, imo! There has to be an ulterior motive.

The desires and concerns you've expressed are no different, I'm sure, to those of the vast majority of us here.

[icke_is_right]

Looks like a diversion tactic to me, I'd like to know what the real news is.

I was interested that suddenly these people started admitting to theft in public. If they are not in on it (ie don't understand their admission of criminal actions), they are truely stupid and shows greatly that they are just corruptable minions that take orders for perks, not caring about the outcomes.

Very interesting.

[markomac]

If things had gone to plan for tptb, the Lisbon Treaty would be unanimously signed & ready to go - meaning that national governments would be dissolving soon, and governmental power would be passed into total EU control.

Things didn't go to plan (thank you Ireland!), so I think this is all being leaked & whipped up, to provide the devious bastards with a different reason to action the same plan.

Make their corruption visible (and it's not just the one political party) = PROBLEM

People will be baying for their blood, and expressing outrage and distrust at our country's leaders = REACTION

It can be resolved, decisively - chuck out national government, and the good old EU will run the show instead - 3 cheers for the EU! = SOLUTION

I've been saying this all along as well! Its a complete front. It also helps to cover up the Bilderberg meeting so they have an excuse not to cover that story.

The Daily Mail are at it. They are part of this as well. DONT FALL FOR IT!

Why not launch a campaign against the war criminal Tony Blair and his cohorts? Why not? Because it's not part of the plan. As the Joker said everything is fine so long as it's going to plan. But if something happens that isn't, then we all lose our minds!

This is what they do to us. It's all part of the plan. If we can screw up their plan, then they will lose their minds, they will then have to do things that dont fit with 'their plan', just to keep ahead and when they do the sheeple begin to see that all is not as it quite seems.

MM

[citroen999]

hmmm :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

dont get too excited...dont fall for it...

so let me get this right!!! they want us (the public) to use our hard earned money and in a time of real hardship to prosecute MP's?

so once again they come knocking at poor old joe publics door for some money for some bullshit cause... :mad:

this stuff gets me mad, look at global warming, the government are saying that WE(the public) need to do more, need to pay more, n eed to lower our carbon footprint, need to be careful in what we use etc...FUCK OFF.. we are using the technology that YOU (the government) alllow us to use, Its YOU (the government) thats in control, its YOU that can change it not us


i see more and more of these we (the public) need to do more campaigns, we need to pull together etc.. and guess what?? it always ends up costing us ..

from the bailing the banks out, to global warming and now to mp's expenses, its never ending...

If the daily mail wants to impress me, try this.. YOU FUCKING PAY FOR IT!!

And would any donations actually fund any case 100% or would some get milked off? also lets say an MP is sued £20,000 over and above what he has claimed for, do i get a share of that £20,000 for my donation? or does it go back into the system that i dont agree with...

end of the day its fraud, embezzelment etc, its a case for the police.. each mp should be charged with fraud and banned for life because if it was me that had stole the money you can bet your last amero that i would be up in court on a charge...

[lynfowars]

OMG, has anyone watched 'Justice Minister' Malik squirm on live tv (now)

He has refused to apologize, at all.

He said we should 'move on' from chasing the bent MPs, or we 'lose our democracy' (if the bastards are all done for fraud no doubt)

ROFL!!! Lose our "WHAT" sunshine???

Democracy????

[markomac]

OMG, has anyone watched 'Justice Minister' Malik squirm on live tv (now)

He has refused to apologize, at all.

He said we should 'move on' from chasing the bent MPs, or we 'lose our democracy' (if the bastards are all done for fraud no doubt)

ROFL!!! Lose our "WHAT" sunshine???

Democracy????

Its madness isn't it. But we are all just as bad for letting it happen. of course its time to forget about it, the Bilderberg meeting is just about finished. Thanks for the diversion.

[gilly]

OMG, has anyone watched 'Justice Minister' Malik squirm on live tv (now)

He has refused to apologize, at all.

He said we should 'move on' from chasing the bent MPs, or we 'lose our democracy' (if the bastards are all done for fraud no doubt)

ROFL!!! Lose our "WHAT" sunshine???

Democracy????

Haha - that's their stance, and imo, it's calculated to provoke yet more anger.

I didn't see that one, but on the radio, some other criminal MP (whose name escapes me) was saying his particular thievery was a "none-story" because it was "1,000,000%" (!?!) in keeping with the rules!

Some commentator was quick to point out that this was not on, because it's clear to everyone that the rules are deficient - (just to make absolutely sure that any listeners who can't quite think it through for themselves are nudged into justifiable rage also).

[lynfowars]

"Was within the rules" eh?

Has a ring of the Nazi's in the Nuremberg trials, who bleated:

"ve ver only obeying ze orderz"

[chipstyxx]

Originally Posted by gilly
Make their corruption visible (and it's not just the one political party) = PROBLEM

People will be baying for their blood, and expressing outrage and distrust at our country's leaders = REACTION

It can be resolved, decisively - chuck out national government, and the good old EU will run the show instead - 3 cheers for the EU! = SOLUTION

Exactly! and people are falling for it hook line and sinker. ( again! :rolleyes:) Even people I know that are usually quite aware of this manipulation are taken in by it. The media are leading people by their emotions yet again, in this case people are buying into the idea and hoping that some kind of justice is on offer. They don't see that the justice on offer is under the control of the media/ tptb and on their terms. They are so caught up on this desire to punish these MP's that they don't think about where it's leading. It's what they have always done. As other posters have said, why have the media revealed this corruption now, I'm sure many of them have been aware of it for years. I think this is leading to the destruction of parliament eventually but I think David Cameron will be voted in and we will have one more prime minister before it happens.

[nofuture]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8051091.stm

Malik has stepped down.

Daily Mail part of the agenda? It's a BNP fanzine to all intents' and purposes:o

[Ian2day]

This is, as others have said, a part of the agenda of tptb. I have estimated that the MP's claimed £18 million each year for expenses. Compare that to how much the bankers and other ruling elites have syphoned off. With over stated financial forecasts, leading to massive bonus and pension payments received just before a CEO leaves a company/bank etc. It really is small change what the MP's have overclaimed.

What is of interest is that the rules of claiming expenses were changed 4 years ago. Before that they didn't have to supply any receipts. So a culture of excess was established. With some MP's being shown how to flip houses and engineer their main homes location to best fit in with a maximum claim.

All of the receipts from the four years have been copied and supplied to the Telegraph to enable an orchastrated revolt to take place this summer. A summer of rage is hoped for so as to bring forth a clamp down on our freedom and rights.

Malik was set up as revenge for being Muslim. He has long been a target of the police and security services. He is I expect viewed as a terrorist sympathiser by tptb. Or he is being portrayed as one. So as to attract extremists to him.

This is being carried out by the same group who bugged me.

[spiraltrance]

Malik was set up as revenge for being Muslim. He has long been a target of the police and security services. He is I expect viewed as a terrorist sympathiser by tptb. Or he is being portrayed as one. So as to attract extremists to him.

Sorry, but to some degree Malik did have it coming. Until I saw this video this monring I always thought as far as MPs go he was one of the 'better' ones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Q8k-0bKZo&feature=related

This is being carried out by the same group who bugged me.

Who bugged you and why?

[Ian2day]

Sorry, but to some degree Malik did have it coming. Until I saw this video this monring I always thought as far as MPs go he was one of the 'better' ones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Q8k-0bKZo&feature=related


Who bugged you and why?

I was not the original target. This espianage dates back to WW II. I am the third generation of victims. I am too distracted to get the whole events down. Life is getting in the way and I find it hard to stay composed enough due to the stress and pressure of what I have uncovered. Attempts and threats have been made on my life and my families. Different agencies have worked together adn some have worked independantly to steal IP.

[gremlin]

i see the daily mail haters have changed their minds. good to see the stone mind bending to the real world.:D

just kidding:D stick with your views if it makes you happy.

[magicmerlin]

Huge Media Story?
Always ask WHY?

1. Bilderberg meeting this week = smokescreen needed
2. Problem Reaction Solution? Electronic money to track all funds no one can escape being tracked. It's not the MP's who will get it in the balls, it's the dumb public throwing away more freedom.

[geewhizz]

So the masses are begining to revolt. I would say that this is as planned. I predict that people will vote BNP. The extreme right wing are gaining momentum. Its 1939 all over again...watch this space.

[elysiumfire]

Gilly:What happened when Iceland overthrew their dodgy government a couple of months back? The "solution" was to fast-track them into the EU.

Sorry Gilly, but you make it sound like they are already in Europe, gobbled up and the way eased so that they joined without so much as a obstacle in the way.
The truth is, Iceland is not yet in Europe. The current ruling party, along with other smaller parties have a mandate of 33 seats, but they have a cautious opposition, fearing that their fishing industry would be ruled from Brussels. However, regardless of this stand off, all parties agree that a referendum should be called for the people to decide. It is looking like the People may vote for entry into Europe, as they believe that Europe might bring economic shelter. To me it seems they are willing to sell their Icelandic-soul for the illusion of stability.

Britain is not Iceland. The people throughout Britain are being denied a referendum, as you well know. What we have to consider are the 'interconnections' between the banking debacle, parlimentary abuses, and all other misdirections, because they're obviously interconnected by agenda...which we all have! What I mean by having an agenda is not something nefarious and secretive, but one that represents a desire for a society run on the foundations of equality, fraternity and peace.

Of course, a super federal state of Europe is what 'TPTB' want, and they will happily undermine the economy and political stability of any country to pressure it to accept such a Euro superstate. Only yesterday, Brown stated that 3 million jobs would be lost if we did not accept going into Europe! Of course, it is blackmail, but if you were one of those three million would you insist on not joining Europe? Economic blackmail is an attempt to stop you voting by conscience, but rather by necessity...that's the key to their control.

Suppose though, all of the 3 million said..."Shove your threat and blackmail up your arse!" Where would 'TPTB's control be then? Sooner or later we are all going to have to act, both collectively and individually. We are going to have to accept the consequence of staying out of Europe, or entering into it. I would hope that people act out of conscience rather than simple necessity. The retention of our freedoms and liberties come at a cost of grievance and hardship...how many are willing to put up with that? How many are there that are willing to be steadfast in a resolve to endure the sacrifice required to maintain the principles of individual freedom and liberty and privacy? Until that question is answered, losing our sovereignty and becoming chattel to Europe seems the more likely scenario.

[signalnorth]

Huge Media Story?
Always ask WHY?

1. Bilderberg meeting this week = smokescreen needed
2. Problem Reaction Solution? Electronic money to track all funds no one can escape being tracked. It's not the MP's who will get it in the balls, it's the dumb public throwing away more freedom.

Yeah right,'cos they'd go and and cover Bilderberg otherwise wouldn't they?

Not EVERYTHING is conspiracy. This in my view if pretty much as it seems

I'll be contributing a couple of quid to the fund

[gilly]

Gilly:

Sorry Gilly, but you make it sound like they are already in Europe, gobbled up and the way eased so that they joined without so much as a obstacle in the way.
The truth is, Iceland is not yet in Europe. The current ruling party, along with other smaller parties have a mandate of 33 seats, but they have a cautious opposition, fearing that their fishing industry would be ruled from Brussels. However, regardless of this stand off, all parties agree that a referendum should be called for the people to decide. It is looking like the People may vote for entry into Europe, as they believe that Europe might bring economic shelter. To me it seems they are willing to sell their Icelandic-soul for the illusion of stability.

Britain is not Iceland. The people throughout Britain are being denied a referendum, as you well know. What we have to consider are the 'interconnections' between the banking debacle, parlimentary abuses, and all other misdirections, because they're obviously interconnected by agenda...which we all have! What I mean by having an agenda is not something nefarious and secretive, but one that represents a desire for a society run on the foundations of equality, fraternity and peace.

Of course, a super federal state of Europe is what 'TPTB' want, and they will happily undermine the economy and political stability of any country to pressure it to accept such a Euro superstate. Only yesterday, Brown stated that 3 million jobs would be lost if we did not accept going into Europe! Of course, it is blackmail, but if you were one of those three million would you insist on not joining Europe? Economic blackmail is an attempt to stop you voting by conscience, but rather by necessity...that's the key to their control.

Suppose though, all of the 3 million said..."Shove your threat and blackmail up your arse!" Where would 'TPTB's control be then? Sooner or later we are all going to have to act, both collectively and individually. We are going to have to accept the consequence of staying out of Europe, or entering into it. I would hope that people act out of conscience rather than simple necessity. The retention of our freedoms and liberties come at a cost of grievance and hardship...how many are willing to put up with that? How many are there that are willing to be steadfast in a resolve to endure the sacrifice required to maintain the principles of individual freedom and liberty and privacy? Until that question is answered, losing our sovereignty and becoming chattel to Europe seems the more likely scenario.

Your turn of phrase suggests you're disagreeing with me, yet the points you raise pretty much concur with what I'm saying.

The main problem, as I see it, is this...how many people in Britain do you imagine even know what the Lisbon Treaty is? I don't pretend to know the answer to that question, but I'll wager it's not many.

The general public here has no idea of the threat that hangs over them.

When I've mentioned it to people, not one of them has had a clue about it (apart from my siblings) and nor have they expressed any desire to be educated. I even spoke to a local journalist a few weeks ago, who'd never heard of it, (or CP, or Codex).

Ignorance through manipulation is our greatest enemy, beside the NWO themselves.

[flip side]

So the masses are begining to revolt. I would say that this is as planned. I predict that people will vote BNP. The extreme right wing are gaining momentum. Its 1939 all over again...watch this space.

I agree. An event timed to perfection, why is it the expenses issue is highlighted NOW when it has been going on for so long? The promises of a summer of rage, how coincidentally everything falls into place :rolleyes:. What a nice big distraction for the public to get all raged up about, dont you just love how the Telegraph take such a high moral ground on the issue, ironic really isn't it when you consider how the Telegraph and other such elitist sponsored papers have failed to bring us the REAL news that really would get the people all riled up i.e. 9/11, 7/7, the manufactured crash of the economy etc. Isn't it funny how they roll a story like this to make us hate our politicians, keep everyone off the scent of the people that pull their strings.

The Elite want their European Superstate. They're not getting it quick enough and they know by bringing about the right conditions, it will be accepted by the people. Hate your MP's, rage on the streets! The UK is corrupt, let the EU save you all! Problem-Reaction-Solution written all over it. Barclay Brothers are loving it right now, stacks of papers sold and firm pats on the back from their globalist chums.

What makes it even worse is these politicians crying 'DONT VOTE BNP' well guess what?...the more these liars and cheats say 'DONT' the more likely the people WILL. Basic psychology. If BNP get a high turnout, race relations will get very nasty in this country. DIVIDE AND CONQUER? I feel things are about to turn for the worse.

[spiraltrance]

There are other factors to consider for those who think this is a planned leak/conspiracy. All this informtaion was going to come out in July anyway though it would almost certainly of been edited and had additional information like what payments what specificly for missing.

Someone in the expenses department copied the data then through a middle party went round offering the data disks for £300k. Several newspapers including murdochs elite owned Time/Sun/News of the World didn't want the disks because they were worried about being charged with handling stolen good. The discs were on the market for several weeks before The Telegraph brought them for an undiscolsed amount though it's rumoured they paid between £200-£300k.

Now if this event had been orchestrated the discs wouldn't have been sold, they would have been leaked to the press for free. Don't underestimate how many disgruntled employees there in the civil service and the possiblity of an employee in the payments & expenses department becoming even more disgruntled knowing his bosses who've blatently been on the take for years are going cover-up there sordid ways and release a very watered down version of the expenses that will hide the true extent of the corruption. Plus this disgruntled employee gets one over his MP bosses in knowing he's just made several hundred grand while shafting them good and proper at the same time.

[flip side]

There are other factors to consider for those who think this is a planned leak/conspiracy. All this informtaion was going to come out in July anyway though it would almost certainly of been edited and had additional information like what payments what specificly for missing.

Someone in the expenses department copied the data then through a middle party went round offering the data disks for £300k. Several newspapers including murdochs elite owned Time/Sun/News of the World didn't want the disks because they were worried about being charged with handling stolen good. The discs were on the market for several weeks before The Telegraph brought them for an undiscolsed amount though it's rumoured they paid between £200-£300k.

Now if this event had been orchestrated the discs wouldn't have been sold, they would have been leaked to the press for free. Don't underestimate how many disgruntled employees there in the civil service and the possiblity of an employee in the payments & expenses department becoming even more disgruntled knowing his bosses who've blatently been on the take for years are going cover-up there sordid ways and release a very watered down version of the expenses that will hide the true extent of the corruption. Plus this disgruntled employee gets one over his MP bosses in knowing he's just made several hundred grand while shafting them good and proper at the same time.

How credible is this story? Where has this version of events come from? Also the fact someone made £200-300k by selling the disk doesn't mean there's no conspiracy? Do we know who disclosed the expenses information? Do you have evidence or this coming from a discruntled civil service member? Or is this a theory you have heard?

[Ian2day]

There are other factors to consider for those who think this is a planned leak/conspiracy. All this informtaion was going to come out in July anyway though it would almost certainly of been edited and had additional information like what payments what specificly for missing.

Someone in the expenses department copied the data then through a middle party went round offering the data disks for £300k. Several newspapers including murdochs elite owned Time/Sun/News of the World didn't want the disks because they were worried about being charged with handling stolen good. The discs were on the market for several weeks before The Telegraph brought them for an undiscolsed amount though it's rumoured they paid between £200-£300k.

Now if this event had been orchestrated the discs wouldn't have been sold, they would have been leaked to the press for free. Don't underestimate how many disgruntled employees there in the civil service and the possiblity of an employee in the payments & expenses department becoming even more disgruntled knowing his bosses who've blatently been on the take for years are going cover-up there sordid ways and release a very watered down version of the expenses that will hide the true extent of the corruption. Plus this disgruntled employee gets one over his MP bosses in knowing he's just made several hundred grand while shafting them good and proper at the same time.

The speaker fo the house tried to stop it being revealed. This was a carefully orchestrated part of a coup. It is no coincidence that the rules were changed about supplying receipts 4 years ago. Then the 2006 fraud act is passed. This is after MP's were given advise that they were not breaking any rules in what they were doing. So they were set up. This is a case of PRS in full effect.

[spiraltrance]

How credible is this story? Where has this version of events come from? Also the fact someone made £200-300k by selling the disk doesn't mean there's no conspiracy? Do we know who disclosed the expenses information? Do you have evidence or this coming from a discruntled civil service member? Or is this a theory you have heard?

This story has been getting closely watched on Guido Fawkes since it began and that's before the disks were actualy published.

http://www.order-order.com/

[flip side]

This story has been getting closely watched on Guido Fawkes since it began and that's before the disks were actualy published.

http://www.order-order.com/

That site is all over the place. Any direct links to articles to back up what you previously said please? I'd like to know more about the theory on the dicruntled civil servant if possible. Thanks. :)

[spiraltrance]

This is after MP's were given advise that they were not breaking any rules in what they were doing. So they were set up. This is a case of PRS in full effect.

They knew damn well what they were doing was wrong, so it was no set-up. And were the civil servents really in a position to reign in the expenses scam? I mean I know they advised MPs there expenses were ok, but a civil servent advising otherwise and making MPs pay out of there own pocket may not have been a good career move.

[spiraltrance]

That site is all over the place. Any direct links to articles to back up what you previously said please? I'd like to know more about the theory on the dicruntled civil servant if possible. Thanks. :)

The Snouts in the trough (http://www.order-order.com/tag/snouts-in-the-trough/) section is what follows politcal corruption but you'll have alot to read through because the juicy stuff is revealed in the comments sections.

[flip side]

The Snouts in the trough (http://www.order-order.com/tag/snouts-in-the-trough/) section is what follows politcal corruption but you'll have alot to read through because the juicy stuff is revealed in the comments sections.

Thanks mate

[jesuitsdidit]

Daily Mail Fund to Privately Prosecute Sleaze MPs

definitely stirring it up
naughty Daily Mail
and we all thought u were on our side
mmm...

[fekdemasons]

OMG, has anyone watched 'Justice Minister' Malik squirm on live tv (now)

He has refused to apologize, at all.

He said we should 'move on' from chasing the bent MPs, or we 'lose our democracy' (if the bastards are all done for fraud no doubt)

ROFL!!! Lose our "WHAT" sunshine???

Democracy????



Is it me ? Or does this smack of the rehearsed crap that CLinton came out with ?

Icey cold stare at the camera " I did not have sexual relations with that woman "

Like he's trying to hypnotise people by being utterly convincing. WTF !!

[leemondo]

Sorry, but to some degree Malik did have it coming. Until I saw this video this morning I always thought as far as MPs go he was one of the 'better' ones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Q8k-0bKZo&feature=related

If indeed the BNP are going to gain a majority vote in the forthcoming elections, is it any wonder that Malik has been forced to 'resign' considering the BNP's stance on 'islamification' in the UK?

This is the what is written on the Wikipedia page under the search for BNP:

Anti-Islam focus

The party states that "The BNP has moved on in recent years, casting off the leg-irons of conspiracy theories and the thinly veiled anti-semitism which has held this party back for two decades. The real enemies of the British people are home grown Anglo-Saxon Celtic liberal-leftists ... and the Crescent Horde – the endless wave of Islamics who are flocking to our shores to bring our island nations into the embrace of their barbaric desert religion".[49] It has described this as the "islamification" of Great Britain.

Full page here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

[dalsar]

anyone.....??

Is this Sleaze MPs scandal part of the plan, by the global elite/ NWO people/illuminati ?

or was this just a 'non related' leak of their spending habits?

Is this leaking of their bad/careless spending habits part of the NWO plan?


anyone ?? ?

[Ian2day]

They knew damn well what they were doing was wrong, so it was no set-up. And were the civil servents really in a position to reign in the expenses scam? I mean I know they advised MPs there expenses were ok, but a civil servent advising otherwise and making MPs pay out of there own pocket may not have been a good career move.

It was a set up as I came up with the idea a few years ago and those who are guilty of bugging me have implemented it along with many other ideas of mine which I have had in the privacy of my home. So your missing my point. These people occupy a world inhabited by rules and regulations. Right or wrong don't come into it for them. Rightly or wrongly all that they were concerned with is that they could claim the maximum cash without getting into any trouble. I would like to know out of all of the people who are clamouring for the blood of the MP's over this. Just how many of them lied on a mortgage or credit application. Over stating their earnings enabling them to obtain a mortage beyond their means. Which caused the property market bubble and took away from a lot of people the possibility of cheap secure accomodation in the places where they grew up. For they are just as guilty as the MP's and the rest of the sorry shower of shite that prevails this world today for what has happened to the economy. It is an indication that greed has run amock in all the avenues of life. As I said before in 1996-8 when I was writing as the character TimeTravel_0 we will be known as the generation that had it all and squandered it. It was within all of our hands to do and be more but greed got the better of us all.

anyone.....??

Is this Sleaze MPs scandal part of the plan, by the global elite/ NWO people/illuminati ?

or was this just a 'non related' leak of their spending habits?

Is this leaking of their bad/careless spending habits part of the NWO plan?


anyone ?? ?

I expect that the real agenda is threefold in all of this. One is to take out a few enemies in the house of commons. Two is to create a new even bigger pay system and London housing for the MP's. Three is to take the UK even more out of Europe possibly to ensure that Prince Charles one day still has a kingdom left to be King of.

[motleyhoo]

Before we go off half cocked, lets think about this a moment. Is there anyone here who actually did not know this was going on all along and has been a part of politics and the behavior of politicians for decades and even centuries??

Of course you knew. We all knew it. Everybody knows what goes on in govts and how corrupt they are, and that most politicians are on the take in some capacity.

So, the first question you should be asking yourself is why these people, and why now?

.

[darryl84]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1181868/If-authorities-wont-sleaze-MPs-court-Mail--campaign-private-prosecutions.html
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The Daily Mail begins a crusade today to bring to justice MPs whose flagrant abuse of expenses has shamed Britain.
We are joining forces with the TaxPayers' Alliance to launch a campaign to fund the private criminal prosecutions of backbenchers and ministers who have pocketed thousands of pounds through dishonest claims.
The 'Bring Them To Justice' campaign follows seven days of extraordinary disclosures which have dragged the reputation of British politics to a shameful low point.
Despite overwhelming evidence of an endemic culture of crooked expenses claims amongst MPs, legal experts think it highly unlikely that police and the Crown Prosecution Service will bring criminal charges against any of them.

Scotland Yard chiefs are understood to be decidedly lukewarm about bringing fraud charges since they are still smarting from the fiasco of the 'cash for honours' investigation.

But eminent lawyers believe that the actions of some ministers and MPs are blatant enough to warrant prosecution for offences which can carry a jail sentence of at least a year for anyone found guilty.

They argue that in the absence of a Crown prosecution there are powerful grounds for a private case which would see their behaviour subjected to the scrutiny of a court of law.

Last night London Mayor Boris Johnson suggested that there was a case for the police to be called in.

'I think, frankly, looking at some of these cases it looks to me as though Plod needs to come in,' he told Sky News's Jeff Randall Live programme.

'I must be careful what I say because I am chairman of the Metropolitan Police Authority, but it looks to me as though some people may very well have a serious case to answer.'

Yesterday was one of Parliament's blackest days.

The expenses scandal claimed a Tory and a Labour scalp - and two sleazy Labour peers faced the shame of being the first to be suspended from the House of Lords since 1642.

The MP under the most acute scrutiny is Elliot Morley, the Labour former minister who was suspended from the party yesterday.

Mr Morley claimed £16,000 towards paying interest on a mortgage that had in fact already been paid off.

He also charged mortgage interest on a London property which he let out to an MP colleague, who claimed the rent from the taxpayer.

Lawyers believe Mr Morley would be open to prosecution under the 2006 Fraud Act or the 1968 Theft Act if his action to pocket the cash was through 'deliberate intention'.

Other MPs whose expenses claims are deeply disturbing include three ministers.


One is Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, who claimed her sister's back bedroom was her main home while claiming £130,000 in allowances for the 'second' home she shared with her husband and children.

Communities Secretary Hazel Blears avoided capital gains tax when she sold a flat after telling the taxman it was her main home.

She had claimed expenses on the same property after telling the Fees Office in the Commons that it was her second home.

Employment Minister Tony McNulty claimed second home expenses on a house in which his parents were living.

And yesterday husband and wife Tory MPs Andrew MacKay and Julie Kirkbride were shown to have claimed more than £280,000 between them for second homes.

While Mr MacKay said their London home was a second home, Miss Kirkbride named their home in her Bromsgrove constituency in the Midlands as her second home.

Senior lawyers believe that the behaviour of MPs may well amount to fraud.

Barrister and fraud specialist Jonathan Caplan QC said: ' Anybody who makes a claim for expenses which is fraudulent or dishonest is committing an offence of fraud because they because they are obtaining money by deception. The offence is committed against whoever holds the bank account.'

Mr Caplan added: 'It would be an offence of fraud because you a making a false claim for money.

'What you have to show is that when they made the application for expenses they knew that was a fraudulent claim.'

There are also serious questions over a number of MPs who ordered furniture on the taxpayer for their second homes but had it delivered elsewhere.

Among these were junior minister Kevin Brennan, who had a widescreen television delivered to his family house in Wales then claimed the £450 cost back using his London second home allowance.

LibDem home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne had a £119 Corby trouser press, finished in mahogany, delivered to his home in London, even though his second home allowance is only for his constituency address in Eastleigh, Hampshire.

Matthew Elliott, of the TaxPayers' Alliance, said: 'We are extremely pleased to be teaming up with the Daily Mail to try to secure private prosecutions of the most fraudulent MPs in the House of Commons.

'These outright abuses of the expenses system are an affront to taxpayers and our democracy and are far too serious to ignore. We can no longer pretend that such acts can be dispelled by waving apology cheques or claiming lapses of memory.'

Mr Elliott added: 'We are grateful for the support of Daily Mail readers and taxpayers across the country. This is a dark period for Parliament, but justice must be seen to be done to restore the reputation of politics in Britain.'

Other lawyers stressed the difficulties of bringing a private prosecution. Barrister and former MP Sir Ivan Lawrence said: 'There has to be evidence of an intention to defraud. A private prosecution is plausible but has to be thoroughly considered.'

Although police are reluctant to begin an inquiry - Metropolitan Police Chief Sir Paul Stephenson said last week that he was concerned that politically-inspired cases are a waste of police time - prosecution authorities can take over if they believe there is a chance of a conviction.

The Daily Mail is launching an appeal to create a fighting fund to cover the legal expenses of the private prosecutions.
Any readers wishing to contribute can do so using the coupon above.
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Im suspicious, the fact that a mainstream newspaper is involved heavily in organising funding for a prosecution campaign rings alarm bells for me... Whats the objective here, the real one? ....

[spiraltrance]

Of course you knew. We all knew it. Everybody knows what goes on in govts and how corrupt they are, and that most politicians are on the take in some capacity.

So, the first question you should be asking yourself is why these people, and why now?

Because the Tax Payers Alliancee fought a very long court case against the government to have there full expenses released under the Freedom of Information Act.

[nofuture]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1183899/Esther-Rantzen-MP-claimed-22-500-treat-dry-rot-partners-home.html

Esther Rantzen is planning to stand against a Labour MP who claimed £22,500 in expenses to treat dry rot in her partner's home.

[icecoldmeltz]

I tell yeah' all this shit is to invoke a mass protest. The call is out for a million people to stampede on london, These fuckers are now taking the piss.. to see what the reaction will be. A can of blood sucking worms has been opened' starting with that CUNT who bought porn films, With Tax payers money.. what happend'' FUCK-ALL. Whats going to happen NEXT' FUCK-ALL. Some have resigned' some still under investigation..This will blow over' Then What. FUCK-ALL. People will still vote' for these fucking LEECHES.. :mad:

[hey_jude]

I tell yeah' all this shit is to invoke a mass protest. The call is out for a million people to stampede on london, These fuckers are now taking the piss.. to see what the reaction will be. A can of blood sucking worms has been opened' starting with that CUNT who bought porn films, With Tax payers money.. what happend'' FUCK-ALL. Whats going to happen NEXT' FUCK-ALL. Some have resigned' some still under investigation..This will blow over' Then What. FUCK-ALL. People will still vote' for these fucking LEECHES.. :mad:

sad to say you are correct!

...but if there is a mass unrest will it not lead to the summer of rage they want and then jackboot jacqui can fire at will?

...I feel what we need is either abstain from voting or vote independent candidates ...it would be excellent if the abstain was endemic and everyone walked away from the bottom of the pyramid ...the house of cards would fall!

...just me dreaming :rolleyes:

[mentalogirl]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-479751/Hounding-decent-woman-Labours-brutal-campaign-destroy-ethics-watchdog-Elizabeth-Filkin.html

They could start by kicking out the entire Cabinet,starting with Mandy.