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jesuitsdidit
14-05-2009, 08:56 PM
"Today the situation is much more serious than before August 2008.. Under the new realities, Georgia's war against South Ossetia may easily turn into NATO's war against Russia. This would be a third world war."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13614


Pentagon Preparing For War With The Enemy: Russia

by Rick Rozoff

Global Research, May 14, 2009
Stop NATO

"Today the situation is much more serious than before August 2008....[A] possible recurrence of war will not be limited to the Caucasus.

"The new President of the United States did not bring about any crucial changes in relation to Georgia, but having a dominant role in NATO he still insists on Georgia's soonest joining of
the Alliance. If it happens, the world would face a more serious threat than the crises of the Cold War.

"Under the new realities, Georgia's war against South Ossetia may easily turn into NATO's war against Russia. This would be a third world war." (Irina Kadzhaev, South Ossetia political scientist, South Ossetia Information Agency, April 2009


On May 12 James Mattis, NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Transformation [ACT] and commander of the U.S. Joint Forces Command, spoke at a three-day symposium called Joint Warfighting 09 in Norfolk, Virginia, where NATO's Allied Command Transformation is based, and stated: "I come with a sense of urgency. The enemy is meeting like this as well." [1]

A local newspaper summarized his speech:

"Mattis outlined a future in which wars will not have clearly defined beginnings and ends. What is needed, he said, is a grand strategy, a political framework that can guide military planning." [2]

He failed, for what passes for diplomatic reasons no doubt, to identify who "the enemy" is, but a series of recent developments, or rather an intensification of ongoing ones, indicate which nation it is.

Last week the head of the U.S. Strategic Command, Gen. Kevin Chilton, told reporters during a Defense Writers Group breakfast on May 7 "that the White House retains the option to respond with physical force - potentially even using nuclear weapons - if a foreign entity conducts a disabling cyber attack against U.S. computer networks...."

An account of his talk added "the general insisted that all strike options, including nuclear, would remain available to the commander in chief in defending the nation from cyber strikes."

Chilton "said he could not rule out the possibility of a military salvo against a nation like China, even though Beijing has nuclear arms," [3] though the likely first target of alleged retaliation against equally alleged cyber attacks would be another nation already identified by US military officials as such: Russia.

In late April and early May of 2007 the government of Estonia, which was inducted into NATO in 2004 and whose president was and remains Toomas Hendrik Ilves, born in Sweden and raised in the United States (where he worked for Radio Free Europe), reported attacks on websites in the country which were blamed on Russia.

Over two years later no evidence has been presented to substantiate the claim that Russian hackers, much less the government itself, were behind the attacks, though it remains an article of faith among US and other Western officials and media that they were.

The response from American authorities in the first place was so sudden and severe, even before investigations were conducted, as to strongly suggest that if the attacks hadn't been staged they would need to be invented.

Right afterward Secretary of the Air Force Michael W. Wynne stated, "Russia, our Cold War nemesis, seems to have been the first to engage in cyber warfare."

The US Air Force news source from which the above is quoted added that the events in Estonia days earlier "did start a series of debates within NATO and the EU about the definition of clear military action and it may be the first test of the applicability of Article V of the NATO charter regarding collective self-defense in the non-kinetic realm." [4]

NATO's Article 5 is a collective military defense provision, in fact a war clause, one which first and to date for the only time has been used to support the protracted and escalating war in Afghanistan.

References to it, then, are not to be taken lightly.

On a visit to Estonia last November Pentagon chief Robert Gates met with the country's prime minister, Andrus Ansip, and "discussed Russian behavior and new cooperation on cyber security...."

It was reported that "Ansip said NATO will operate under the principle of Article 5 of the alliance’s treaty, which states that an attack on one ally is treated as an attack on all," and "We are convinced that Estonia, as a member of NATO, will be very well defended.”[5]

That the repeated mention of NATO's Article 5 continued a year and a half after the alleged cyber attacks when none had occurred in the interim is revealing.

At the beginning of this month the Pentagon announced that it was launching what it called a "digital warfare force for the future," at Fort Meade in Maryland under the control of the U.S. Strategic Command, whose chief, Gen. Kevin Chilton, was quoted earlier as threatening the use of force up to and including nuclear weapons.

The initiative was characterized in a news report as follows:

"Lt. Gen. Keith Alexander, also the Pentagon's leading cyber warfare commander, said the U.S. is determined to lead the global effort to use computer technology to deter or defeat enemies...." [6]

The Pentagon is a synecdoche for the Department of Defense and everything related to its activities is cloaked in the same euphemism, so when pressed the US will insist its new cyber warfare project is intended for defensive purposes only. Any nation which and people who have been on the receiving end of US Defense Department actions know better. The new US cyber warfare command, its rationale based on a supposed Russian threat emanating from a non-military incident in the Baltics over two years ago, will be used to cripple the computer systems of any nation targeted for direct military assault, thus rendering them defenseless, and will be particularly effective for space-based and Star Wars (missile shield, interceptor missiles) first strike plans.

On the same day the report of General Alexander's pledge to "defeat enemies" appeared another news item reported that "A quasi-classified satellite that will serve as an engineering trailblazer for ballistic missile tracking technologies flew into space Tuesday [May 12]." [7]

It was a Space Tracking and Surveillance System Advanced Technology Risk Reduction (STSS-ATRR) satellite, which "is part of a space-based system for the Missile Defense Agency.

"Sensors aboard the STSS-ATRR satellite and on the ground will communicate with other systems to defend against incoming ballistic missiles." [8]

A few days earlier the California-based manufacturer Ducommun in a news report titled Ducommun Incorporated Announces Delivery of Nanosatellites to U.S. Army Space and Missile Defense Command announced that "its Miltec Corporation subsidiary delivered flight-ready nanosatellites to the U.S. Army pace and Missile Defense Command/Army Forces Strategic Command (USASMDC/ARSTRAT) in Huntsville, Alabama on April 28, 2009."

The delivery was "the completion of the first U.S. Army satellite development program since the Courier 1B communications satellite in 1960."[9]

Military satellites used for neutralizing the potential of a rival nation not so much to launch a first strike but to respond to one blur the distinction between so-called Son of Star Wars missile shield projects and full-fledged militarization of space.

A recent Russian commentary saw it in just that manner:

"Withdrawal from the 1972 ABM Treaty signified a switch to the testing and deployment of a global missile defense system, with a view to fully removing the deterrent potential of China, and partially that of Russia.

"Washington [is] still trying to eliminate international legal restrictions on the formation of a system, which would theoretically make it invulnerable towards an act of retaliation, and even a launch-under-attack strike." [10]

Added to which is another "quasi-classified" subterfuge related to a prospective resumption of Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) talks between the US And Russia.

American Assistant Secretary of State Rose Gottemoeller stated this week "that the US is not prepared to cut warheads removed from delivery means and kept in storage." [11]

So in addition to US plans to deploy ground-, sea-, air- and space-based anti-missile systems primarily around and against Russia (Poland, the Czech Republic, Norway, Britain, Japan and Alaska to date), the Pentagon will hold in reserve nuclear warheads for activation without a monitoring mechanism provided to Russian inspectors and arms reduction negotiators.

On May 6 Euronews conducted an interview with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who warned, "The way it [the US anti-ballistic missile shield] is designed has nothing to do with Iran's nuclear program. It is aimed at Russian strategic forces, deployed in the European part of the Russian Federation." [12]

To add to the concerns of Russia and other nations, On April 30 the US established a Navy Air and Missile Defense Command (NAMDC) at the Naval Support Facility at Dahlgren, Virginia.

"NAMDC is the lead organization for Navy, joint and combined Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD). NAMDC serves as the single warfare center of excellence to synchronize and integrate Navy efforts across the full spectrum of air and missile defense to include air defense, cruise missile defense and ballistic missile defense." [13]

The past two weeks has been a fertile period for stories in this vein and, to bring attention nearer the Earth, the US-based Strategy Page reported from a Russian source that "The United States has bought two Su-27 fighter jets from Ukraine" to "be used to train American military pilots, who may face opponents in them" and that the "US military will use them to test its radar and electronic warfare equipment." [14]

This was at the very moment that the US client in Ukraine, President Viktor Yushchenko, his national poll ratings plummeting to near 1%, signed a directive to prepare for full NATO membership and a few days after a US military delegation visited the country to inspect a tank unit and to plan "reforming the system of combat training...." [15]

In terms of US training for warfare against the Russian Air Force, the Ukrainian development is only the latest in a number of such activities.

Immediately following the nation becoming a full member of NATO, the US 81st Fighter Squadron flew to Constanta, Romania (in which nation the Pentagon has acquired four new bases since) to engage in combat training against Russian MiG-21s.

According to one US pilot present, “It was pretty neat - you’re sitting in a MiG-21 that will be airborne with a MiG-21 pilot within days. This was an arm of the Soviet Union. These pilots were flying before the Soviet Union fell. They have quite a bit of perspective.” [16]

In July of the next year the US 492nd Fighter Squadron was deployed to the Graf Ignatievo Air Base in neighoring Bulgaria to insure the opportunity for "Air Forces from multiple nations to learn about each other’s aircraft tactics and capabilities.

"The pilots of the F-15E Strike Eagles and the MIG-29s and MIG-21s are sharing knowledge of aircraft and tactics as the exercise wraps up its first week of training."

A US Air Force colonel was quoted as saying, “Only two of the 38 aircrew members have had a chance to fly against MIGs. By the time the exercise is over, everyone will have had a chance to either fly in a MIG or fly against one.” [17]

A month afterward the US Air Force 22nd Expeditionary Fighter Squadron arrived in Romania for the Viper Lance exercises which "marked the first time U.S. F-16 pilots have trained in Romania" and "where "MiG-21 and F-16 pilots [flew] integrated formations to conduct basic fighter maneuvers, dissimilar air combat training and air-to-ground strike missions...." [18]

This time the quote is from an F-16 Fighting Falcon pilot:

"My flight in the backseat of a Lancer [MiG-21] is a good opportunity to look at different aircraft and it's a real privilege and an honor. I want to see what they see from their cockpit, and view a new angle of understanding against our adversaries." [19]

Two weeks ago a US Air Force fighter squadron flew to the Bezmer Air Base in Bulgaria where an American airman said, "This is the first time a USAFE [United States Air Forces in Europe] fighter squadron has deployed to this location....The most rewarding part of this experience is knowing that I am helping the pilots train for war." [20]

To prepare the US for air combat against the full range of Russian military aircraft, India was invited to the annual Red Flag air combat exercises in Alaska in 2007, war games "meant to train pilots from the US, NATO and other allied countries for real combat situations.

"This includes the use of 'enemy' hardware and live ammunition for bombing exercises." [21]

India provided six Sukhoi SU-30MKI fighters which were "particularly interesting to the exercise as [they are] Russian-made, thus
traditionally considered 'hostile.'" [22]

May 1st, on the occasion of the Czech Republic taking over the six-month NATO air patrol rotation in the Baltic skies over Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania - five minutes flight from Russia's second largest city of St. Petersburg - a Czech official boasted "The area we are protecting is about three times larger than that of the Czech Republic. This is a NATO outpost."

Lithuanian Air Force Commander Arturas Leita announced that "the Baltic countries would probably ask for the prolongation of the air force mission within NATO until 2018." [23]

From June 8-16 Sweden will host a NATO drill, Loyal Arrow, described as "biggest air force drill ever in the Finnish-Swedish Bothnian Bay," [24], also not far from St. Petersburg, with a British aircraft carrier and more than 50 fighter jets participating.

That exercise will begin exactly a week after the US-led NATO Cooperative Lancer 09 war games end in Georgia on Russia's southern flank.

In speaking of the dangers of the last-named but with equal application to all that has preceded it, the South Ossetian Ministry for Press and Mass Media website recently quoted political scientist Irina Kadzhaev as warning:

"Today the situation is much more serious than before August 2008. The then threat endangered only South Ossetia and Abkhazia, but after Russia's recognition of these states' independence and the conclusion of agreements envisaging the presence of Russian armed forces on their territories, a possible recurrence of war will not be limited to the Caucasus.

"The new President of the United States did not bring about any crucial changes in relation to Georgia, but having a dominant role in NATO he still insists on Georgia's soonest joining of the Alliance. If it happens, the world would face a more serious threat than the crises of the Cold War.

"Under the new realities, Georgia's war against South Ossetia may easily turn into NATO's war against Russia. This would be a third world war."[25]

Notes

1) Virginian-Pilot, May 13, 2009
2) Ibid
3) Global Security, May 12, 2009
4) Air Force Link, June 1, 2007
5) U.S. Department of Defense, November 12, 2008
6) Associated Press, May 5, 2009
7) Space Flight Now, May 5, 2009
8) Pratt & Whitney, May 5, 2009
9) Ducommun Incorporated, April 29, 2009
10) Russian Information Agency Novosti, May 7, 2009
11) Russia Today, May 5, 2009
12) Euronews, May 6, 2009
13) Navy News, April 30, 2009
14) Moscow News, May 11, 2009
15) National Radio Company of Ukraine, April 29, 2009
16) Air Force Link, August 2, 2005
17) U.S. Air Forces in Europe, July 24, 2006
18) Stars and Stripes, August 26, 2006
19) Air Force Link, August 17, 2006
20) Air Force Link, April 28, 2009
21) Indo-Asian News Service, November 26, 2007
22) Avionews (Italy), November 28, 2007
23) Czech News Agency, May 1, 2009
24) Barents Observer, May 7, 2009
25) Ministry for Press and Mass Media of the Republic of South Ossetia, April 27, 2009

Rick Rozoff is a frequent contributor to Global Research. Global Research Articles by Rick Rozoff

bard
14-05-2009, 09:02 PM
If true, this will be very foolish. Ask the Mongols, the Ottoman Empire,
Napoleonic France and Nazi Germany. There are certain nations one does not mess around with - the Russians are one of them.

disorder2k8
14-05-2009, 09:03 PM
I heard from somewhere that we were going to hype up the US/china thing, which seems to be happening with all the hacker claims

jammasterj13
14-05-2009, 09:05 PM
Didn't Genghis Khan and his wild bunch woop the russians arses in kiev thus marching onto krakow etc etc etc. I believe the russians didn't have any SS ICBMs that day which swung it in favour of the Mongols.:D

bard
14-05-2009, 09:08 PM
Didn't Genghis Khan and his wild bunch woop the russians arses in kiev thus marching onto krakow etc etc etc. I believe the russians didn't have any SS ICBMs that day which swung it in favour of the Mongols.:D

poor Mongols use Cyrillic alphabet nowadays

jammasterj13
14-05-2009, 09:10 PM
Those 'poor' Mongols still wooped Russias skinhead backside and the 'mighty' cossacks too, regardless of what alphabet they are 'apparently' using now.LOL

mrindigo
14-05-2009, 09:36 PM
Hmmm... I remember reading an article a few years ago about US troops training in Alaska for extreme cold conditions. I don't remember the name of the program or if it's still active.

I went searching for the article and came up empty handed, though I did find this interesting article.

by Staff Sgt. Jim Greenhill
National Guard Bureau

2/28/2008 - HONOLULU -- Sprawling territory, extreme cold and rich natural resources are among shared conditions that have created a perfect marriage for Alaska and Mongolia in the National Guard's State Partnership Program (SPP).

The two paired up in 2003 and formalized the relationship in 2005. What they lack in longevity they've more than made up for in initiatives.

"Our partnership has grown dynamically," Lt. Gen. Tsevegsuren Togoo, the chief of staff of the Mongolian Armed Forces, said during a break at the first two-day Pacific State Partnership Program Regional Workshop here in late January. "We have done a lot in a very short time."

Mongolia's president visited Alaska in 2007, bringing business leaders and other VIPs. Alaska and Mongolia train together. Alaskan medical teams have treated people in Mongolia. Mongolia has hosted bilateral exercises.

Military-to-military exchanges have been catalysts for civilian-to-civilian initiatives beyond the SPP. The partners' mining industries are cooperating. The Mongolian city of Erdenet has a sister relationship with Alaska's Fairbanks. Mongolian students are enrolled in Alaskan universities.

"Only the National Guard can do this," said Air Force Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard. "It can't be done by the active duty military. It can't be done solely by the civilian community. The reason is, the National Guard brings significant civilian expertise. We're Citizen-Soldiers. The majority of us have civilian jobs. We have that experience and skills from doctors to engineers to carpenters. We're the only ones that have that military and civilian combined in one package."

"The [beneficiaries] of our partnership are not only the military but also the civilians," Togoo said. "The partnership opened the way for the businessmen of the two countries. In the future we will see Alaskan investment in Mongolia, and also we will ship our products to Alaska."

Common ground

Alaska and Mongolia have similar geography, topography, sparse population and weather challenges.

· Alaska covers 663,267 square miles. Mongolia covers 603,909.
· Alaska has the lowest population density of any state. The density of its 626,932 residents is 1.09 per square mile. Mongolia has the lowest population density of any country. The density of its 2.9 million residents is 4.41 per square mile.
· Mount McKinley, at 20,320 feet, is Alaska's highest peak. Khuiten Peak, Mongolia's highest, is 14,350 feet.

"There are a lot of things that bring together Mongolia and Alaska," Togoo said. "The desire to work and know each other is the driving force of cooperation and partnership. The most important thing is democracy. Mongolia established democracy in 1990. We are a young democracy. Alaska is a part of America, and America is a democratic country. That's the most important thing uniting us."

"Alaska, too, is a young state," Campbell said. "We're just going to celebrate our 50th year of statehood in '09, so we too are evolving in a democracy - two young states and countries working through democracy together to do the right thing."

Shared risk

Mongolians and Alaskans also stand side-by-side in the front lines of the war on terror.
"Our partners in Mongolia, they're on their ninth rotation to Iraq. They're one of [our] most steadfast friends in this Global War on Terrorism," Campbell said. "But even in Mongolia the discussion of Iraq can be difficult, and they've had discussions ... about whether they should continue. I was asked when I was over there, 'If we continue our engagement with Iraq, will you continue to send Alaskans with us?'

"I made the commitment that as long as Mongolia is serving in Iraq, we will have Alaskans go with Mongolians to Iraq. I don't think that was the answer that made the parliament decide to go, but it helped."

Maj. Steve Wilson, Alaska's SPP coordinator, was the liaison officer for Mongolian troops in Iraq for two rotations. "I had the opportunity to interact with probably 10 different coalition partners," he said. "The Mongolians were the most professional. Everybody slept well in that camp at night knowing the Mongolians were up on the wall."

The Mongolians also excel as peacekeepers, Wilson said. "The Mongolians have a depth of experience that we're just now tapping into. Besides Iraq and Afghanistan, they have Soldiers in the former Yugoslavia, Western Sahara, Sierra Leone, Sudan, Congo, Eritrea, Ethiopia. They're all over the world. They look at solving these conflicts from a different view than we traditionally do ... and that's given me a perspective that sometimes a soft approach or an indirect approach is the solution, not always kicking down the door."

The Mongolians incorporated that worldwide experience into lanes training during Conquest 2006, a joint training exercise with Alaska.

"The comment I got from one of the platoon leaders was, 'My platoon received better training than we received before we went to Iraq'," Wilson said. "Part of it was the Mongolians taking their experiences and creating real-world experiences that were stressful and challenging. There was an actual language barrier, and that creates tremendous problems when you deploy, and the Soldiers had to deal with it."

Campbell said Alaskan Guardmembers have learned multiple lessons while observing Mongolians in Iraq. "There was an attack on a base, and the Mongolians were part of that base," he recalled. "They had gone to the chow hall in full gear. While the rest of the people, Americans and others, who were not in full gear were recovering from the attack, the Mongolians already in full gear were going into position to fight the fight. We learned from that. We learned they're ever-vigilant of what the threat could be, and they're always prepared. That's something we're training our Soldiers to be aware of."

Campbell said the Alaska-Mongolia partnership blossomed quickly. "Normally, there's a hesitancy to step forward with a partner until you've kind of done the dance for a while," he said. "We didn't do the dance in Mongolia. We were together as partners from my first trip over there. I could tell this was a sincere partnership that was going to go far."
Having full-time project officers devoted to the nascent relationship helped, the adjutant general said. "Those that just take it as a part-time job, they won't achieve the accomplishments that we've achieved because it takes that full-time dedication of a person that understands the country, has been there a number of times and works on the priorities that the host country places on you."

More to come

"The successes that we have in this partnership is that both sides have a great interest to work together and that is the main basis of our partnership," Togoo said, predicting further growth. Both sides expect increased cooperation on emergency management and response and natural disaster relief operations.

"Alaska would be more than eager to ... start deploying full time a member of the Alaska National Guard over to Mongolia and have that person embedded there for a year or two working as our liaison," Campbell said. A bilateral affairs officer stationed in Mongolia would better understand Mongolian needs, better prepare joint training and help further improve U.S.-Mongolian relations, he said.

For his part, Campbell has found personal satisfaction in the SPP. "In 1974, I graduated from college with a political science degree," he explained. "I went into the Air Force. I was an air-traffic controller. Where does political science relate to air traffic control? It doesn't. Fast forward to today. Taking this political science background and seeing nation-state building going on in a positive way and having the ability to do it through the National Guard, it's damned exciting."

Under the SPP, 58 foreign countries are matched with U.S. states. Some states have more than one partner.

http://www.ang.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123088177



Hmm, it makes me wonder if this is being done so that there is an outpost close to Russia and China, in the event of a large conflict.

sheepy
14-05-2009, 09:37 PM
I have lived and worked in Russia for 15 years and never has there been a country so misunderstood by the West. Russia still remains to most Westerners "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma".

As my Russian friends put it there is nothing quite as foolish or as dangerous as waking up a Russian bear from its hibernation.

So good luck with that America! :rolleyes:

Ian2day
15-05-2009, 04:12 PM
Americans and Russia unites against the USA federal government as predicted by me in 1996.

monkeyboy
15-05-2009, 06:34 PM
if it does kick off that should get rid of at least a billion.wepons have improved so much since wwII. i done time in military when i was 17 i wish i knew then what i know now.:mad:

motleyhoo
15-05-2009, 07:21 PM
A dude named Joel Skousen was on Coast to Coast on Tuesday May 12, 2009 discussing the global political climate that is leading to WWIII. If you can download this show I would highly recommend it.

He basically said that Russia and China are politically aligning to stand against the US and that Russia would take the lead in a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the US. He made a lot of pertinent points such as how the past de-armament agreements that the US made with Russia have left the US badly prepared to react to a nuclear strike, and that Russia has been building vast underground weapons facilities away from inspections. First of all, the US has dismantled much of its nuclear weaponry program and replaced the warheads of many ballistic misslies with conventional warheads. Secondly, as part of the US's agreement, half of their missile subs must be in harbor in the US and standing down at all times. The question automatically comes up, "Wouldn't anyone attacking the US in this way get obliterated by a responsive attack?" His answer, and it seems plausible to me, is that a pre-emptive strike of the harbored subs and major missile complexes, along with a few major cities would leave the US military in such disarray that they would not really be able to respond in kind. His other point is that the US will never see this coming, and that you can see this in Gates's military strategy of changing the military into one designed for urban combat instead of inter-continental combat, which will leave the US flatfooted after a pre-emptive strike.

I'm leaving out a lot of what the man said, so I'd suggest downloading the show. I don't know if I agree with all of it but he made a very good case. His timeline for such a strike was in the next few years and that doing it while the US was facing financial failure would be the perfect time.

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sheepy
15-05-2009, 07:39 PM
A dude named Joel Skousen was on Coast to Coast on Tuesday May 12, 2009 discussing the global political climate that is leading to WWIII. If you can download this show I would highly recommend it.

He basically said that Russia and China are politically aligning to stand against the US and that Russia would take the lead in a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the US.
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Apologies for the digression but reading your post has just got me thinking about the thread that someone put up yesterday about Obama's strange quote about the alignment of the stars.

All three flags - the American, the old USSR and the Chinese flags - all have stars on them. :eek:

jesuitsdidit
15-05-2009, 11:12 PM
A dude named Joel Skousen was on Coast to Coast on Tuesday May 12, 2009 discussing the global political climate that is leading to WWIII. If you can download this show I would highly recommend it.

link??

jesuitsdidit
15-05-2009, 11:14 PM
He basically said that Russia and China are politically aligning to stand against the US

yep, my research indicates the
long-term plan is to destroy USA..

motleyhoo
15-05-2009, 11:34 PM
link??

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2009/05/12

Also...

Joel Skousen (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/skousen-joel)


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romas
15-05-2009, 11:45 PM
Russian military is nowhere near capable to put any preassure on offence, but in defence(guerilla warfare) of such large territory, it would be very, very long war. Maybe that's what they are looking for, manufacture a never ending war to take away all remaining liberties?

decim
16-05-2009, 01:07 AM
"Pentagon Preparing For War With The Enemy: Russia"

Was there something called a "cold war"?