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drhemp
14-05-2009, 04:03 PM
Morley suspended by Labour party

Labour MP Elliot Morley has been suspended from the party after he admitted claiming £16,000 for a mortgage he had already paid off.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown made the announcement as he launched Labour's European election campaign.

Mr Morley said the expenses claim was a "mistake" due to "sloppy accounting" and said he had paid the money back.

Conservative MP Andrew MacKay earlier quit as aide to David Cameron over an "unacceptable" expenses claim.

It comes after the latest round of revelations in the Daily Telegraph about MPs' expenses.

Explaining his decision, Mr Brown said: "Where there is irregularity now it has got to be dealt with immediately. Where standards have been transgressed and the evidence has been shown to be there, action has got to be taken.

"Where disciplinary action is necessary, it will and will immediately be taken."

He said he had decided to suspend Mr Morley from the Parliamentary Labour Party because of the "serious" nature of the allegations against him.

He added: "If there are any other disciplinary cases where we have to take action we will take action immediately."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8049096.stm



meanwhile ...

Two Labour peers face suspension

Two Labour peers face suspension from Parliament for six months after being found guilty of misconduct.

Ex-trade minister Lord Truscott and Lord Taylor of Blackburn were accused by the Sunday Times of being willing to change laws in exchange for cash.

The two men denied the allegations but they now face sanctions following a probe by a House of Lords Committee.

Lord Taylor has been suspended as a Labour member pending an investigation while Lord Truscott has quit the party.

Lord Hunt, Deputy Leader of the House of Lords, described the allegations against the two men as "terrible".

The Conservatives said the development represented a "bleak day" for the House of Lords.

Parliamentary vote

The Lords Privileges Committee has recommended the two men be suspended from the House for up to six months after an investigation into allegations made against four Labour peers.

“ The two peers fell short of what both this House and the country are entitled to expect ”

Lord Strathclyde, Conservative leader in the House of Lords
The final decision on their fate will rest with the House of Lords itself, which will vote on whether to exclude them next week.

If it is approved, the suspension could take effect immediately and last until November - when this year's parliamentary session ends.

Two other Labour peers - the former minister Lord Moonie and Lord Snape - were cleared of wrongdoing, but invited to make apologies to the Lords for showing an "inappropriate attitude" to parliamentary rules banning paid advocacy.

The BBC's political correspondent Gillian Hargreaves said it was exceptionally rare for members of the Upper House to be suspended, the last case of its kind being in the 17th Century.

The Sunday Times alleged the two peers were prepared to change proposed legislation while it was passing through the Lords in return for money - which would have been in clear breach of parliamentary rules.

These rules state that peers should not seek to influence legislation in return for money.

'Falling short'

The Sunday Times released details of secretly recorded conversations Lord Truscott and Lord Taylor had with its reporters.

The reporters were posing as lobbyists for a foreign retail firm which, they claimed, wanted to set up stores in the UK and get an exemption from business rates.

The peers discussed what help they might give them and how parliamentary procedure worked.

The two men maintained they had never discussed taking money in return for seeking to alter legislation.

Neither men actually accepted any money but the Lords committee found they had broken rules governing the behaviour of its members in relation to paid advocacy.

In a statement to Parliament, Labour leader Baroness Royall said the allegations against the two men were "very serious" and the House faced having to take "very serious" decisions about potential penalties.

But she stressed the Lords also had an obligation to be fair to the peers concerned in terms of how they were treated.

Lord Hunt, Labour's deputy leader in the Lords, said the allegations against the two men were a "terrible thing" and that paid advocacy of any kind was "absolutely unacceptable".

He told the BBC he was satisfied that the internal probe had been "thorough and professional" and it was now up to peers to decide what the appropriate degree of punishment should be.

"Those who transgress the rules will be dealt with severely," he stressed.

For the Conservatives, shadow Lords leader Lord Strathclyde said the two men had "fallen short of what both the House and the country is entitled to expect" from its public representatives.

While a sanction of six months' suspension would be "severe", he said he believed it was "fully deserved" in this case.

'Implausible'

A Labour spokesman said Lord Taylor had been suspended from the party pending a "full disciplinary investigation" and disclosed that Lord Truscott had resigned from the party in recent days.

The allegations against the four men were initially investigated by the Lords sub-committee on members' interests.

It concluded Lord Truscott had broken rules on not exercising parliamentary influence in return for money by agreeing to "smooth the way" for lobbyists, make introductions to other peers and ministers and to lobby officials.

The committee found the evidence against Lord Truscott "so clear and so plentiful that we have little doubt that Lord Truscott was advertising his power and willingness to influence Parliament in return for a substantial financial inducement".

Lord Truscott contested this verdict as "outrageous" but it was upheld by the privileges committee in its final report.

Lord Taylor's explanation that he was aware the lobbyists were in fact journalists and he had continued to meet them in order to discover the truth was dismissed as "inherently implausible".

The police decided not to mount a criminal investigation into the case earlier this year, citing the difficulty of obtaining evidence among other factors.

The "cash for amendments" row is the latest in a series of recent scandals to have damaged the integrity of Parliament.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8049412.stm

henryv
14-05-2009, 05:24 PM
WTF did they give him money for in the first place? Does that mean if you're an MP a mortgage comes under "expenses?" In that case I'll put my mortgage down on my next expenses sheet and see what my boss says.

sheepy
14-05-2009, 05:32 PM
WTF did they give him money for in the first place? Does that mean if you're an MP a mortgage comes under "expenses?" In that case I'll put my mortgage down on my next expenses sheet and see what my boss says.


:D My thoughts exactly!

grenadene
14-05-2009, 05:39 PM
This guy is my local MP, happy happy joy joy! I asked him some question on Codex Alimentarius the last time he held a public free-for-all and he had zero to say on the subject.

I personally think this 'ousting corruption' exercise is to get certain people in place via local by elections. Interesting times folks :cool:

rhydra
14-05-2009, 05:57 PM
I think that the system which allows such theft to occur on such a massive scale should be looked at and how democracy could be made to work, or even if democracy is really part of the problem.

grenadene
14-05-2009, 06:15 PM
I think that the system which allows such theft to occur on such a massive scale should be looked at and how democracy could be made to work, or even if democracy is really part of the problem.

The system consists of a fine layer of toffs and 'wannabe' hangers on assuming authority over the great unwashed. We've been ruled by this brigade of chinless tossers for so long that we have come to think its normal. It's hard to find a shred of our existence that hasn't been infiltrated. Jesus! we are filmed just about everywhere we go.

We wouldn't know what democracy was if it came up and bit us on the arse. In fact I've lost the plot with regards to what democracy should be....I'm at the stage where I'd like my own island tyvm. I've got a friend from Poland and he said the first thing that he noticed when he arrived was how tame we mostly are. We can't smoke in pubs, our schools still teach all this imperialist nonsense, we don't routinely shoot cctv cameras off the walls....you can't even piss off to the lake have a swim and light a small fire :mad:

It's going to take something enormous I'm afraid, before people even start to consider how subservient they are.....and I don't think we'll be waiting too long. It's enough to give you indigestion :rolleyes:

Ian2day
14-05-2009, 06:54 PM
Was it just a slip to miss the resignation of Camerons commons aide
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/14/article-1181527-04EFC008000005DC-683_468x286.jpg
Andrew Mackay MP for Bracknell out from the content of this topic?:rolleyes: He is married to
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01359/julie_kirkbride_1359216c.jpg
Julie Kirkbride MP for Bromsgrove. Together they claimed a whopping £282,000 in just one year as expenses!!! They claimed to have no first home but get this two second homes so that they could claim the second home allowance twice.

However this double expense claim is a massive act of misdirection taking place. They say that you should keep your friends close adn your enemies closer still. Was it not Mackay in the office when that other MP got arrested for exposing that the home office were abusing their powers as in bugging me adn stealing my IP and selling it to their entertainment contacts within the BBC etc. There is a big con taking place and I'm not the only victim of it. Everyone of you reading this is being sold a massive lie in the media and press about just wtf is going on.


Meanwhile, senior Tory MP Andrew MacKay quit as political adviser to the Conservative leader after claiming £140,000 in second home allowance for the London house he shared with his wife, Bromsgrove Tory MP Julie Kirkbride, when he did not have a proper second home. Ms Kirkbride — who had the London house registered as her main residence — claimed a second home allowance for a house in her constituency.

http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/macKays-expences-275x223.jpg

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23691642-details/Top+Cameron+aide+is+first+victim+of+expenses+scand al/article.do

Cameron's Commons aide Andrew MacKay quits after he and Tory MP wife claimed double mortgage payments


The MPs' expenses scandal claimed its first victim today as David Cameron's aide resigned over 'unacceptable' claims.
Andrew MacKay, who is married to fellow Tory MP Julie Kirkbride, claimed mortgage interest on their London home while she did the same on their constituency house.

This meant the couple effectively had no main home but were claiming for two second properties, funded by the taxpayer.

A brick was later thrown at Miss Kirkbride's constituency office as public anger over the expense claims began to spill over.

Her husband's departure came as former minister Elliot Morley was suspended from the Parliamentary Labour Party after claiming £16,000 for a non-existent mortgage.
In a further sign of parliamentary crisis, two peers were facing six-month suspensions after being found guilty of misconduct in the 'cash for amendments' scandal.
If their punishment is approved in a Lords vote, this would be the first suspension since the days of Oliver Cromwell back in the 1600s.



The resignation of Mr MacKay, who was in Mr Cameron's inner circle, came out of the blue because he had not been part of the revelations of recent days.
Instead, he was forced to step down after the Tory leader and party officials decided his claims under the second home allowance were unreasonable.
The Bracknell MP claimed more than £1,000 a month in mortgage interest payments on their shared London home.
At the same time, his wife - who is MP for Bromsgrove - claimed more than £900 a month towards a home loan on their family home in her constituency.
Last year, the couple claimed more than £45,000 in taxpayers' money on their 'second' homes.
Parliamentary records show they have also claimed for each other's travel costs, with Miss Kirkbride claiming £1,392 and her husband £408.
Mr MacKay insisted that the housing arrangement was suggested by the Commons' fees office and it had never occurred to him there was anything wrong about it.

'This was all transparent, it was all approved and frankly, until it was drawn to my attention, it did not occur to me that it didn't pass the reasonableness test,' he said.

'Looking back now, it does look strange. I clearly made an error of judgement for which I profoundly apologise.

'I have done what I believe is the right thing - at the very first possible opportunity I have resigned my position with David Cameron.'


The move will pile pressure onto other couples, including ministers Yvette Cooper and Ed Balls and Labour backbenchers Alan and Ann Keen.
Under the current rules, there is nothing to stop married couples each claiming the maximum available - which means they can buy a far more expensive home.
But Mr Cameron has vowed to crack down on any claims that do not pass the 'smell test' of public opinion, meaning Gordon Brown could be forced to do the same.
The Tory leader said today: 'The examination revealed a state of affairs which I don't think is acceptable. He will go before a scrutiny panel to determine how much of this needs to be repaid.'

He insisted he knew how angry and disappointed people were and said he believed the Tories now had in place the strictest possible rules over expenses.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1181527/Camerons-Commons-aide-quits-Tory-MP-wife-claimed-double-mortgage-payments.html

tribe_of_david
14-05-2009, 07:01 PM
Do we know when the 2nd home allowance was brought in and by what Goverment. Ive seen a few MP's saying what they've done is all within the "so called rules". It all boils down to utter greed by these stinking no good profesional liars.

I listen to a fair bit of radio, and when u hear news on thue radio i think u hear more than when it is spomen on the tv. have any of u ever thought to yourself when u hear a politician speak that the lot of them have allgot the ponsified public school toff language. each time i hear them speak i just think they are not for the common man/woman in the street. basically do we have any down to earth .... in touch with reality ..... none public schooled politicians out there ?? there fucking voices grind on me when i hear them telling there lies on tv or radio.

the best politicians rise to the top by being able to make a lie beleivable when they are talking in public. when u watch question time how many times when the politicians are asked a question do they not answer it .... but start explaining something totally differant ? everytime !!!

EDIT - lets not forget though that saturation coverage by the MSM always boils down to somekind of hidden agenda as with WMD being shoved down our noses daily. All the "negative" press about fat cat bankers pay perks, MPs expenses claims, Gas hikes & then pay rises to the bosses of Gas companies. All these negative headlines about people getting pay benefits in the middle of everyone of the normal peoples money woe's. The numerous headlines, about differant organinsations but all about greed, there is something behind this.

decim
14-05-2009, 07:05 PM
A cannibal holocost, mp's eat their young.