Pitfalls of Freeman-on-the-Land

[mike59271]

So i was thinking about doing this but then came to the realization that i would be waiving alot of securities, albeit i would prefer the opposite to take place. Correct me if im wrong but, i wont be able to:

Get a job (officially on the books)
as a result no pension
no health insurance

i assume there are other things that are not permissible as well, fill me in what im missing please. So for those who are Freeman's what can i do? I need to be able to make money, to have food and water and shelter. So how am i going to make that legitimate amount of money without being able to get these job securities etc..? Id love to hear your thoughts!

[mike59271]

anyone have any thoughts on this issue?

[merlincove]

Freeman on the land is a personal choice mike, it is about taking responsability for yourself and your own actions and allowing your self to be un-accountable to the statute of governing bodies (plc's) who seek to steel your freedoms from you with the introduction of penalties for not abiding by their company rule.

A pension plan is a good idea. As is a health plan, although health services have a duty of care to make sure that if you end up in hospital then your needs will be catered for, in the uk at least.

As a none-freeman you are a ward of the state, a child of the province - a child under the care and juristiction of the state. If you want to be free from that, to be considered an adult and a free man, then in declaring your status you are taking responsability for your Self and your actions. By remaining a child of the state you have surrendered your freedom and put your liberty intho their trust and keeping.

Being a freeman should not be about what has been lost, but what has been gained.

As a freeman you are free from their impossed tyrany and legislation. There is a price to pay for that, yes, because you can not bite off the hand that feeds and then expect to be fed. You will have to learn to feed yourself, which you can do, but you choose not to.

The carrot is child benefit, tax benefits, passport. Do you like those carrots? Do you like those carrots more than your freedom?

As a freeman you can get a job, although you will not be required to pay tax or NI, you can do so if you wish, but you do not have to give concent for your wages to be doctored by the PLC of the inland revenue or tax office. If you want to pay tax and NI, then pay it, it's no big deal to anyone else.

Become self employed, make your freedom count for you and not for the boss. You don't need a boss, a boss is another form of control.

So what will you lose out on, realistically?

[madbomberjones]

Suggest you go to www.thinkfree.ca and watch Rob Menard's free, "bursting bubbles of government deception" video to start.

Your "person" is like a coat, you can use it when you want, and take it off when you don’t need it. Watch the video it will explain things better.

Basically you were born FREE! Right up until the moment your parents were duped into registering a birth certificate.

The good news is, apart from common law, statutes and acts are legislative rules of society, they only have the force of law over the governed by mutual consent.

So in a nutshell, if you do not consent to a statute or act being law, then it is not law to you, and as such you cannot be forced to abide by it. (Providing of course you have not broken common law, i.e. bringing loss or harm to others).

If there is NO victim, then where is the crime?

But don’t go off half cocked on this information, I have not started applying what I have learnt until the penny has dropped, and I understand what I am claiming.

I would research into it further, it will be well worth your while, why not try www.tpuc.org if you live in Blighty as it has lots of great info for UK freemen. For starters how would you like to not have to pay your TV licence legally!

I am still learning myself, and although at times it all seems like doom and gloom, I have been self sufficient for nine years, without any assistance from the state, only hindrance and oppression, as I only learnt about the Freeman way this year. When the penny drops I guarantee you, it will change your way of thinking, you will see through the deception of everything the government throw at you, and be armed with the knowledge and new self confidence to throw it right back at them with a big fat "No Thanks" it will indeed change your life. For the better!

There are many methods to claim your rights back, if you do not want to give up the use of your "straw man" (your corporate status), then claim ownership of it, instead of being surety to it. Winston Shrout Solutions in Commerce the Yoda of Commercial Redemption.

Or you can choose the all out Sovereign route, which unbeknown to me, I was already practising. Either way, watch a few videos, they make very interesting viewing.

My favorites is the Antiterrorist, his videos are on youtube, without the assistance of that man, I would not be writing this reply to you! The courts and police are keen to have me behind bars, and his advice has so far, prevented that from happening!

Ignorance is bliss; Knowledge is Power, the choice is yours. Whatever you decide all the best to you.

Peace!

[madbomberjones]

lol merlincove,

Replied to unanswered thread at same time as me, I wish I knew as I would have gone to bed instead :)

[merlincove]

I am still learning myself, and although at times it all seems like doom and gloom, I have been self sufficient for nine years, without any assistance from the state, only hindrance and oppression, as I only learnt about the Freeman way this year. When the penny drops I guarantee you, it will change your way of thinking, you will see through the deception of everything the government throw at you, and be armed with the knowledge and new self confidence to throw it right back at them with a big fat "No Thanks" it will indeed change your life. For the better!


Peace!

Couldn't have said it better mad bomber jones :D

i think you might have been chanelling me on this paragraph :rolleyes:

[wakeupworld]

Mike, I`m still learning this myself, but when I think about your question to me there are far far more pitfalls of NOT being a freeman-on-the-land.

[fishingforthoughts]

your declaration of intent is your declaration.

Declare that you will not be subject to bullshit laws, declare your right to get a pension if you have paid into one.... being a freerman on the land is somewhat about just that. being free to do what you want to do so be careful what you wish for and be most certain of your intentions.

:)

[yozhik]

Of course you can get a job!
You can contract for services, on your terms, not the government's.
It will be an individual contract, with a full description between you and the business contracting your services, with no intervention of an interfering, fraudulent, third party.

Once you have explained the advantages to he business to which you will be contracting, the cloak of deception will be removed and they will have clarity of judgement.

Be sure to also offer then an indemnity of tax liability, to ease the stress off their office staff; stating that you will be responsible for all of your tax matters, removing them from liability and therefore from any penalties or fines attempted by the evil, corrupt ptb.

[cruise4]

You really think you will get a pension and health insurance via slavery? How quaint. Have you not noticed what occurs in hospitals, pension funds and old people's homes? Has the effects of Fractional Reserve banking escaped your attention? Do you believe bank bailouts will do anything other than create hyper-inflation? Do you believe you own your own house and own land? You REALLY want to pay for them to own all your stuff? I guess you admit to be totally 'in fear'. Not a lot of hope to be gleaned from your post, is there. The thing is, from your perspective, there's no hope either... health, pension... by the time you are ready to get these it will be enforced euthenasia, partly because you clamoured for 'SECURITIES'.

[merlincove]

You really think you will get a pension and health insurance via slavery? How quaint.

Not a lot of hope to be gleaned from your post, is there.

The thing is, from your perspective, there's no hope either... health, pension... by the time you are ready to get these it will be enforced euthenasia, partly because you clamoured for 'SECURITIES'.

hehe

the thing is mike is asking questions, and the very first step toward freedom is the ability to see that there is something wrong with the picture, and then to question that picture.

it is always good to know that when you are going to jump, you are going to land on solid ground.

You are right, the current picture has no hope of succeding, society is on a downward spiral into oblivion, the latest banking 'solutions' show us that much.

Now we are in a world where the old have paid into NI for their entire lives, for over fifty working years, they are forced to sell the house that they have worked hard for for a menial survival in a care home, their pension is swallowed up, their savings are swallowed up and the very thing that they have worked to achieve, to buy a home, is taken away from them as they sit and contemplate their last few years. The gvt have gleaned the £ from the pension fund, and just like a stuck record it is the people who pay the price for their incompetance. That picture is more than broken.

there is no hope in that picture, absolutely none.

[mike59271]

You really think you will get a pension and health insurance via slavery? How quaint. Have you not noticed what occurs in hospitals, pension funds and old people's homes? Has the effects of Fractional Reserve banking escaped your attention? Do you believe bank bailouts will do anything other than create hyper-inflation? Do you believe you own your own house and own land? You REALLY want to pay for them to own all your stuff? I guess you admit to be totally 'in fear'. Not a lot of hope to be gleaned from your post, is there. The thing is, from your perspective, there's no hope either... health, pension... by the time you are ready to get these it will be enforced euthenasia, partly because you clamoured for 'SECURITIES'.

Look I am well aware as to how the financial institutions operate ranging from fractional reserve banking to socializing private debt and privatizing their profits, its all smoke in mirrors and i understand that. But as of late things have been running through my head. I am graduating with an Associates in Liberal Arts in a week and i know that it wont cut it in the corporate world, so i am contemplating this freeman stuff. The corporate world was never and will never be for me - so lets get that straight. But as Ive said, Ive been thinking about what will be come of me in 40,50,60 years? I would like to know that im not going to die alone in some pup tent because i didn't follow the already absurd rules of corporate society.

At any rate i started this thread to theorize and to get example of how people make a living and to what degree of difficulty it has been thus far. I am currently giving bass guitar lessons under the table, i suppose i could expand and make more money but i would like to hear other peoples experiences.

Because at the end of it all i just want to realize my true freedom. I am not a malicous person, i might like to speed or drink or smoke some pot from time to time but that doesn't constitute the harsh limitations that are being put on me and others like me. Hopefully this capitalist system will collapse so violently we will have no choice other than to full realize each and everyone of our freeman-on-the-land status.

Thanks guys

[pipsicle]

Apologies if you've already answered these questions before Rob, but:-

1) Does freeman status reverse the situation where you merely are leased a house you have paid for from the crown? If so, would it no longer revert to the crown if (just for egs.) you had failed to make a will?
2) Are you still entitled to NHS treatment?
3) What is the difference (practically) in owning your strawman as opposed to being held as surety for it?
4) Do you think the obstructionbs freemen face from officialdom is because the officials are simply unaware of the legality of freemen status, or because they actively want said freemen to renounce their free status?
5) Is your house deleted from the land register? Would this cause problems with the purchase and sale of a new house?

[koolair]

Look I am well aware as to how the financial institutions operate ranging from fractional reserve banking to socializing private debt and privatizing their profits, its all smoke in mirrors and i understand that. But as of late things have been running through my head. I am graduating with an Associates in Liberal Arts in a week and i know that it wont cut it in the corporate world, so i am contemplating this freeman stuff. The corporate world was never and will never be for me - so lets get that straight. But as Ive said, Ive been thinking about what will be come of me in 40,50,60 years? I would like to know that im not going to die alone in some pup tent because i didn't follow the already absurd rules of corporate society.

At any rate i started this thread to theorize and to get example of how people make a living and to what degree of difficulty it has been thus far. I am currently giving bass guitar lessons under the table, i suppose i could expand and make more money but i would like to hear other peoples experiences.

Because at the end of it all i just want to realize my true freedom. I am not a malicous person, i might like to speed or drink or smoke some pot from time to time but that doesn't constitute the harsh limitations that are being put on me and others like me. Hopefully this capitalist system will collapse so violently we will have no choice other than to full realize each and everyone of our freeman-on-the-land status.

Thanks guys


You probably already know this, but if the system were to collapse so suddenly, we'd all be sorry. Most of us don't know how to raise our own food, pump our own water, build our own house, etc...in any case....

I would also like to know the method used to get out of this bad situation. Sending in letters is nice but if you can't contract for work, if you can't acquire the things you need without begging on the street, becoming a freeman WON'T WORK.

We need to know how to make this work from "beginning to end". We need anecdotes, personal testimony, advice, guidance, tips, etc....We don't need to be yelled at and belittled for asking important questions. We don't need to come to this forum to be treated like we're idiots. We already get that from all the bureaucratic hypocritical dictators.

In addition, thinking free thoughts and thinking like a sovereign is great, but the bigger question is how to make this work, what is the methodology??

Having said that, I have a relevant question....after offering to provide services on a contract basis, the officers of the company I work for said they would need a GST (Goods & Services Tax) number from me so that I could charge them the GST and pass it up to the CRA (Canada Revenue Agency). What benefit is there for the company to not take down this number and that number? Is there a remedy for this issue? I think this is at least related to what Mike is asking about. What Mike is asking is probably what every one of us in this freeman forum wants to know - that's why we're here....not to get yelled at. We're all here because we know something isn't right.

I would really like to know soon because right now, the company and I have settled it that we would go the contract route, but the GST issue is a sticking point. I have a whole contract written out, but with the part about the GST omitted. I even have two options on payment....one in gold coin and the other in bank notes (both are legal tender). I also need to know how a company benefits from paying in gold coin....that would enable me to just offer one payment option - gold coin.

I would eventually follow up with a NUI & COR to all parties involved, now that I have secured my contract. I might be wrong on the order of operations.....please feel free to comment.

Any thoughts? Let's keep this going!

[girlgye]

Of course you can get a job!
You can contract for services, on your terms, not the government's.
It will be an individual contract, with a full description between you and the business contracting your services, with no intervention of an interfering, fraudulent, third party.

Once you have explained the advantages to he business to which you will be contracting, the cloak of deception will be removed and they will have clarity of judgement.

Be sure to also offer then an indemnity of tax liability, to ease the stress off their office staff; stating that you will be responsible for all of your tax matters, removing them from liability and therefore from any penalties or fines attempted by the evil, corrupt ptb.


yeah but they ain't gonna wade through forums endlessly for days, months possibly years :( to learn tidbits about how to avoid paying the £45,000 fine for not paying employee tax.

[yozhik]

yeah but they ain't gonna wade through forums endlessly for days, months possibly years :( to learn tidbits about how to avoid paying the £45,000 fine for not paying employee tax.

Asked and answered ...

Be sure to also offer then an indemnity of tax liability, to ease the stress off their office staff; stating that you will be responsible for all of your tax matters, removing them from liability and therefore from any penalties or fines attempted by the evil, corrupt ptb.

The point being; you will not be an employee.
You will be contracting for services, as any of their other suppliers, who invoice them, are.

Contract to be paid in gold ... no tax. :D

[fred gomez]

Alot of people say, what about the health insurance?
Freeman Fred-Joseph says eat right and exercise.

Alot of people say, what about the employee pension?
Freeman Fred-Joseph says a pension in the states is an insurance program or a gamble and does not create an obligation on the insurer to pay out a dime. Dont beg.

Alot of people say, what about housing and food?
Freeman Fred-Joseph says buy a home in full cash and not on credit, and to stock up on food on any income that you can derive.

Alot of people say, what about a job to get the house and the food?
Freeman Fred-Joseph says contract for hire or if not simply grow your own stash as a freeman and sell it to whomever wants it. Invest in the drugs and casino and you will see a world of income. There are thousands of jobs you can invest yourself to and all at once. Think Free and you will be Free.

Fred

[scotfree]

I think you will find the Goberment ignores your Freeman status and continues to pay pensions etc........

[lucky884]

I think you will find the Goberment ignores your Freeman status and continues to pay pensions etc........

Is that a Freudian typo scotfree?:D

[rob menard]

Apologies if you've already answered these questions before Rob, but:-

1) Does freeman status reverse the situation where you merely are leased a house you have paid for from the crown? If so, would it no longer revert to the crown if (just for egs.) you had failed to make a will?
2) Are you still entitled to NHS treatment?
3) What is the difference (practically) in owning your strawman as opposed to being held as surety for it?
4) Do you think the obstructionbs freemen face from officialdom is because the officials are simply unaware of the legality of freemen status, or because they actively want said freemen to renounce their free status?
5) Is your house deleted from the land register? Would this cause problems with the purchase and sale of a new house?

1- I have no idea. I am unfamiliar with how it operates over there.
2-I would say yes.
3- I do not believe you can do such a thing. Either you have one or not, and it evidences consent to be governed.
4-Bit of both likely.
5- I don't have one. If I did I would be less worried about if I held it under a claim of right then if some other party noted it.
Rob

[foobar]

2) Are you still entitled to NHS treatment?

In statute, yes. Everybody in the UK who becomes ill is treated in hospital if they require it, regardless of whether they have a national insurance number or whether they've ever paid tax or whatever crazy sounding stuff they've ever said in front of a judge. Never mind being a freeman, you could declare intent as the rightful king of England whilst living on welfare all your life without ever paying taxes and still get treated in a British hospital.

That's the practical position.

Morally, you should attempt to pay for your own care to the best of your ability. Not attempting to do so is parasitic and dishonest behaviour. If you're paying tax towards the NHS, then you're morally entitled to be treated by it.

[pri01]

In statute, yes. Everybody in the UK who becomes ill is treated in hospital if they require it, regardless of whether they have a national insurance number or whether they've ever paid tax or whatever crazy sounding stuff they've ever said in front of a judge. Never mind being a freeman, you could declare intent as the rightful king of England whilst living on welfare all your life without ever paying taxes and still get treated in a British hospital.

That's the practical position.

Morally, you should attempt to pay for your own care to the best of your ability. Not attempting to do so is parasitic and dishonest behaviour. If you're paying tax towards the NHS, then you're morally entitled to be treated by it.

I think anyone who isn't from the UK is also entitled to treatment. There was a lot of news about it a while back where they were described as health tourists. The NHS tried to dampen down the problem by saying that these patients would be sent the bill for their care. However, these patients may very well have given false names as in my understanding the NHS doesn't ask you to provide proof of who you are. I could be wrong though.