POLICE, STOP, NO ACTION. "not common law" (video).

[malvern]

POLICE, STOP, NO ACTION. "not common law" (video).



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtn4n3PLkew









freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[john doe]

my hat goes off to you mate. well done!!

[decim]

Well done.

[lottie]

excellent- well done for standing your ground!! :)

[merlincove]

Respect to you man, you did good :cool:

"i am not working under common law..." jaw dropping statement.

[bsmurph83]

i applaud this kind of effort. well done.

[tien an]

Is this a sign of the times to come or the times that are already upon us?

Malvern, have you got a fee schedule in place?
Have 'em!

I'm not working common law indeed...

Good on you.

tien an.

[john doe]

Perhaps his "Superior" policy enforcer could enlighten us as to which law he is operating under?

[boots]

Good one man.

Oh his a policy enforcement officer, alright. Hear him singger when you stated your Human rights.


Thats the way to do it Malvern. Take charge. It's like reverse psychology They are fucked when you stand up for yourself, using common law.

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[merlincove]

Perhaps his "Superior" policy enforcer could enlighten us as to which law he is operating under?

like he said he is a 'police officer' working under comercial law.

i tend to jump on the word 'act' when police / balifs / officer say 'under act blah blah blah.... and i ask why it is called an act, and often they can not tell you and go into bluff mode. So i tell them it is an act because it is a statutute, and as such only has the foce of law and is not law, its an act, a play.

have you actually reported this segant, malvern? He is obviously ambivelent to his oath and doesn't fully understand the 'powers' vested in his station of peace officer. Searching without cause and harassment is out of order when you were obviously denying him the actions he was taking.

it was intresting to hear him say that you were not free to go but neither was he detaining you.

[yozhik]

it was intresting to hear him say that you were not free to go but neither was he detaining you.

Then the only conclusion could be kidnapping.
Given that there were also visible weapons being carried, then this also opens up a whole different can of worms.

I'm sure that if;

I was stopped for no reason
Prevented from my lawful right of travel without let or hindrance
Held and obstructed, without my consent, by someone with weapons, who had
Stated he did not operate under common law, and
Had shown external expressions of contempt for human rights,


... then I would be extremely fearful for my safety, if not for my life.

[broccoligarden]

Its a shame that any of us have to endure encounters like this. Excellent that you stood your ground.

Are you going to put in a formal complaint?
:)

[malvern]

i have spoken to the local police of that area, it was a bank holiday, a pc said he would pass it on , which he did ( he was also helpful in explaining what should have been done )... later a sargent phone with the intent of stopping it there, until i told him i had recorded his fellow officer say he does not work common law ..... he said give him 7days , which i have , hence now this video.


Quote:
Originally Posted by merlincove
it was intresting to hear him say that you were not free to go but neither was he detaining you.

Then the only conclusion could be kidnapping.
Given that there were also visible weapons being carried, then this also opens up a whole different can of worms.

I'm sure that if;
I was stopped for no reason
Prevented from my lawful right of travel without let or hindrance
Held and obstructed, without my consent, by someone with weapons, who had
Stated he did not operate under common law, and
Had shown external expressions of contempt for human rights,

... then I would be extremely fearful for my safety, if not for my life.

such great points ....... and being disabled i could not even cope with my arms behind my back let alone being jumpedon , cs, electric shock , big sticked or any other restaining method... remember that i was only going about my private travel without harm to others ...in his eyes driving on a public highway .... something millions do everyday ...they will arrest us soon for breathing ....



thaks for all the great replies ....PLEASE keep them coming , so other can learn.




freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[snoop]

*stands and claps* very well done you have got balls bigger than me police can be worse than that believe me well done great vid;)

[malvern]

like he said he is a 'police officer' working under comercial law.




not working under common law




sorry to point it out ...nodout it's a typo.....:D



waiting for the Superior to get back .... can see me having to chase this one ...... maybe a letter or email.




freedom is the grandchildren .... we are the caretakers

[tom bombadil]

You must follow through with this. You have been wronged and made to feel in fear of your life. This man must be stopped from doing this to others. Well done to you for doing a tough thing and holding your ground.

There is a saying that my teacher used to say to us. It goes 'A hero is not someone that will boast before the event, a hero is someone that just does what needs doing at the time....and then having a good chinwag about it after'.





A few points, not criticism, just points that I picked up on that I would think that I could have improved upon.


You sounded like you were pleading. That gives the antagonest the upperhand. I would like to have had a dummy-run or two with a friend that would set me up for possible avenues of 'retaliation'.

You should have locked your car! And hid the key.

If you had'nt already, like it was said before, you can now make a claim against the cop PERSONALY (or is that 'as an individual'?)

If you kept your mouth shut and stuck to less of an explanation but more of retaliation. I think it would have gone better.

Staying in the car and just opening the window a crack would put you on the upper hand.

Call a friend on your phone for moral boosting. Being in the car and not under arrest means you can do what you like. Put the car in reverse when you do stop.




Here is a question for others too. If we are driving at the time, then why do we stop? If we were flaged down by any other car that had a heavyly armed man or two inside we would accelerate out of there!!
If we truly belive that we are within our rights, then why stop in the first place to a situation that at this moment in our movement will only lead to conflict?


Well done again. My hero :)


Tom.

[merlincove]

not working under common law

sorry to point it out ...nodout it's a typo.....:D

waiting for the Superior to get back .... can see me having to chase this one ...... maybe a letter or email.

freedom is the grandchildren .... we are the caretakers

Yes that was my point malvern, althou if he is, as he states not working under common law as a peace officer / police man then he is by definition acting as an officer to comercial law and attempting to trick you into contract - which he did continually, what is your name, what is your name, what is your name, continually banging on about the traffic act - in all these instancxes he is acting comercial / statute law, and solely that.

The human being of this officer managed to show its face very briefly when he said, look i can see we aren't getting on here, lets start again - though as he later proved this was a mere sweetner for the officer to rear up again and state statutue over and over.

i'm glad that you have choisen to take this further, well done, and strength to your cause and will power.

;)

[freedom from within]

Malvern big big big thanks to you keep up the good work.
soon as i have gained the needed knowlage i to will be doing the same i commend you.

Andy

love and peace to all

[gu3rr1lla]

This is amazing. You're a very brave man! I dont know what it is but your video gave me an adrenaline rush still have the shakes now lol.

Some things to learn from this: Lock your car, only bring down the window enough so you can talk, and never get out of the car!

Here's a good documentary on how to handle police encounters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

If he's not under common law, isnt he an imposter then?

If we are driving at the time, then why do we stop? If we were flaged down by any other car that had a heavyly armed man or two inside we would accelerate out of there!!

There was actually a bloke in Ireland who was waved down by the police, instead of stopping he kept driving till he got home, entered the house and got his brother to answer the door. The police entered the house but the entry was found by the supreme court as unlawful and was thrown out. cant remember what case this was or where i read it because i was reading it half asleep early this morning.

[breezinreezin]

such great points ....... and being disabled i could not even cope with my arms behind my back let alone being jumpedon , cs, electric shock , big sticked or any other restaining method... remember that i was only going about my private travel without harm to others ...in his eyes driving on a public highway .... something millions do everyday ...they will arrest us soon for breathing ....


and that is exactly what happened across the pond. Be warned this is not pleasant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJF5cUWXA_A

[disorder2k8]

the last vid makes me depressed

[ricko]

Round of applause for Malvern Mark!

[stum]

Round of applause for Malvern Mark!

http://www.aerotraining.com/applause.gif

Sorry Mark couldnt help myself.....:D

[vladmir]

thanks for the inspiration!! :)

[malvern]

and that is exactly what happened across the pond. Be warned this is not pleasant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJF5cUWXA_A



shit........ i am glad i was not under arrest ...... but this is and will carry on happening if we sit back and allow it. we need to report these as crimes ..Westminster allows the police to do what they want for two reasons money and procetion . wonder what would happen if everyone phoned crime stoppers and emailed the homeoffice everytime something like this happened , also if we all reported the acts of fraud that these MP's have done .....it's ok they paid it back...we should be taking it all back every penny as they are proceeds of crime and arrest and charge them ....they are so quick to do it to us ...



freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[merlincove]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJF5cUWXA_A



shit........ i am glad i was not under arrest ...... but this is and will carry on happening if we sit back and allow it. we need to report these as crimes ..Westminster allows the police to do what they want for two reasons money and procetion . wonder what would happen if everyone phoned crime stoppers and emailed the homeoffice everytime something like this happened , also if we all reported the acts of fraud that these MP's have done .....it's ok they paid it back...we should be taking it all back every penny as they are proceeds of crime and arrest and charge them ....they are so quick to do it to us ...



freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

Great idea, an armchair / computer desk revolution - i totally agree, though they would simply employ more agents to address the huge influx at our, or at least the tax payers', expense.

But you are right, notice needs to be given. Especially with the new forces that are waiting in the wings, police without oath, who have been issued with warrant cards etc and yet are noat alieged to the queen or common law, i don't know what will happen when we come up against those 'commercial law officers'. Act now before it is too late.

[ricko]

Well, you wait till they put Officer Rivieri clones on our streets :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-WVQPzy7rA

"I am Officer Rivieri! Do not call me dude!"

[majorlee]

Well, you wait till they put Officer Rivieri clones on our streets :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-WVQPzy7rA

"I am Officer Rivieri! Do not call me dude!"


what a man :)

nice job Malvern - its hard when in the situation, takes practice and level headedness to keep it going the way you want it.

shame you didnt ask him iif you were obliged to answer his questions, if he said yes then i believe that would have been fraud and you could have asked the other pc to arrest him lol (maybe i'm wrong here here tho?)

[breezinreezin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJF5cUWXA_A


shit........ i am glad i was not under arrest ......

freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

Yes, but it was the ease with which they placed him under arrest for no discernable reason. They just bought the dog out. If it had rolled over on his back for strokes, they were going to take that as a 'sign' that something was amiss and arrest him. The issue is that Homeland Security were making an example of him to get it put up on youtube to deter this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6uw7506xMw

Here we have somebody wresting control and the authorities really don't like it. That other guy was them setting an example.

[21_12_2012]

Very well done Malvern.
What an excellent thread, some very important points raised and discussed.

I have learned a lot from this.

All the best Malvern...cheers mate...an example to us all.

[candygirl]

Congrats Malvern

Well done

[john white]

As you might expect,Iwholeheartedly support Malvern,he is a man with a lot to inspire anybody with when it comes to walking the walk: as well as the everyday geezer who lives up the road. I know how life will grow for the better when we start to learn its our collective responsibility to walk the walk

Both of these films are instructive, however some comments on them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJF5cUWXA_A


It seems the pastor is saying right at the start of this clip that officers were using the excuse of a dog "sniffing marijuana" in his car in order to cause him bother for not complying with answering their questions

This may be so

But he made a critical mistake in not understanding what it meant when the officer directly told him: "You are under arrest". Now he didnt want to be arrested: nobody does! But at that point if he was going to resist arrest his only option was to put his foot down and drive away... of course we all know Federal resources would then hunt him down... or physically disable the officers. Obviously both of those actions would be bad ideas. He should have been given more specific warning that force would be used if he did not get out of his car, and the arrest itself was a brutal and incompetent joke. However the point is, if you are not going to resist then comply: accept their charges and file claim about it afterwards... provoking border guards should not have got him beaten as it did but his common sense also let him down badly when he already feels the coppers are bent, at least in some way, and addicted to the force of their position

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6uw7506xMw


This guy got his way in the end becuase the border patrol officer used her common sense and checked the US plates at the back of his car. But he did NOT talk to the human first before his repeated questioning of his status... always talk to the human first... after all what is the harm in saying "yeah no bother Im Jeff of the Smith family and my person is American" (or whatever). I feel Malverns film is quite different in comparison,because he is willing to talk to police as humans... it doesn't mean he isn't sticking up for himself, obviously, but IF we treat people doing jobs for the system like they are Robots, then we are blocking them acting like humans through our OWN attitudes,and can only expect robotic treatment from them in return

[merlincove]

Well said john, i have been thinking the same things myself. i couldn't watch the pastor clip, i found it too upsetting, from the moment they smashed the glass with the hammer i clicked off.

i thought that he should have gotten out of the car, personally that is what i would have done, under protest and duress, accept the immediate rock in lou of the hard place - and like you said, deal with it later when things are on an even keel.

Always but always remember that under the suit these guys are human's too and in freemen terms their human status is equal to ours, speak to them and deal with them how you would wish to be spoken too and you appeal to the human being, whether that human responds is up to them :rolleyes:

i loved the bit in malvers clip where he says to the officer, 'i have given you my details' and the officer says, 'you haven't' - his voice goes up about three octaves, that is classic - but malvern was always appealing to the man, the serge just didn't want to lose control.

peace all

[alternative_answer]

Malvern, as you well know that officer was acting fraudulently against you, and he freely admitted that when saying "I don't work on common law" You should make a complaint to the highest place possible and have it publicised far and wide. This is the way to demonstrate your knowledge of your rights and excercise them at all times.

[smoky]

Hiya Malvern, well done to you for standing up for your rights and not backing down. Is your vehicle taxed, tested and insured but not registered to you?

[breezinreezin]

This guy got his way in the end becuase the border patrol officer used her common sense and checked the US plates at the back of his car. But he did NOT talk to the human first before his repeated questioning of his status... always talk to the human first... after all what is the harm in saying "yeah no bother Im Jeff of the Smith family and my person is American" (or whatever).

That is not what I saw happen in the video. What I saw was a power play between the two, conceded by the female officer. These sorts of transactions are mostly power plays, unless the officers involved are friendly and respectful verbally and non-verbally. This female officers non-verbals were not friendly, probably in reaction to seeing his camera.

This man wasn't following any freeman code, he was simply mirroring the psychology of the Homeland Security officer and adopting an authoritative tone. He knew the law and wasn't allowing himself to be 'led' by the officer into answering questions that he was not legally required to answer. He strongly asserted himself from the moment of contact and kept the dialogue to 'broken record' in order to hold his ground.

The female officer, like most customs or police officers, was relying on her uniform and air of authority to gain compliance from the man, but didn't get the expected result and therefore started to flounder. Due to her own anxiety she tried to up the anti prematurely and get him to pull over to secondary. She then quickly thought better of it, as she had no reasonable grounds to suspect him of any illegality and so told him he was free to go. She then went through motions of looking at his license plate to save face. No common sense involved. But then that's the sort of naivety that I come to expect from you (couldn't resist at least one poke);)

[breezinreezin]

Malvern.

Just to say you did great by the way. That couldn't have been easy. We're up against a life time of conditioning. I mean, I still doff my cap when I go to see my GP:o

[ricko]

The key to any of this is being 'Honorable' - if you sound like you are just trying to get on their nerves and give them a hard time then the chances are they'll give you are hard time.

But then again this (http://www.keepandbeararms.com/images/FBI-MCSOTerroristFlyer-Back.jpg) brochure from the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force in Phoenix, Arizona lists "Common Law Movement Proponents" as terrorist.

Look up the definition of "terrorist"

• noun a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

I guess upholding the Common Law of the land and fulfilling your duty to protect the Bill Of Rights for future generations is now regarded as 'terrorist' :o

[disorder2k8]

scratching your arse makes you a terrorist

[ricko]

scratching your arse makes you a terrorist

If "God" (Government) says it is - then it must be.

[skunksmash]

well done OP......;), bloody pigs, i love it when they get tounge tied...


breezinfreezin..... that vid was very upsetting, why did they hit him with the tazer..??, they could of dragged him out without the use of that DISGUSTING weapon....:mad:

im really starting to see the ''us & them'' mentality emerge now..... its quite scary.....ooh i love a bit of fear, not too much, but a little is healthy.....it keeps us on our toes.





:)SK

[breezinreezin]

The key to any of this is being 'Honorable' - if you sound like you are just trying to get on their nerves and give them a hard time then the chances are they'll give you are hard time.

But then again this (http://www.keepandbeararms.com/images/FBI-MCSOTerroristFlyer-Back.jpg) brochure from the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force in Phoenix, Arizona lists "Common Law Movement Proponents" as terrorist.

Look up the definition of "terrorist"



I guess upholding the Common Law of the land and fulfilling your duty to protect the Bill Of Rights for future generations is now regarded as 'terrorist' :o

Well that nullifies the being honourable as 'key' statmement then. If another party, irrespective of who they are or who they represent, have no intention of being reasonable, then you can be as honourable as you like, it won't make a difference. In the US and UK, but the US especially, the trend is towards authoritarianism and it's in this climate that these videos take place.

What I found worrying about the CheckpointUSA videos was the way the officers felt it OK to twist the law to suit their agenda. They carry an attitude of 'the rules are what I say they are'. Being merely honourable under those circumstance will not get you far (5,000 volts in your arse maybe). What's needed is psychology. Play them at their own game and take control within the law or at least don't yield completely. Much easier said than done I know, but this guy does it well: https://www.checkpointusa.org/

[ricko]

I know, I know. :(

What a grim state of affairs we are in...

[breezinreezin]

breezinfreezin..... that vid was very upsetting, why did they hit him with the tazer..??, they could of dragged him out without the use of that DISGUSTING weapon....:mad:


The tazer was punishment. The pastor didn't do what he was told and that needed to be seen to have dire consequences to send out a message to others: DO AS WE TELL YOU. I refer you to the Zimbardo Stanford University prison experiment found here: http://www.prisonexp.org/

Zimbardo found that if you stick a uniform on ordinary students and ask them to play the role of prison warders to another group of students playiing the role of prisoners, those playing the warders gradually lose their humanity and become abusive and cruel. It's my belief that under these sorts of circumstances, such groups act as a channel for negative sprititual energy that unites them, but that's another thread.

[wildhorse]

Nice one malvern....it is exhausting as much as it is tricky to keep going over and over and over.....

I have read about that pastor on E-Y but that was first time seen vid. Disgusting...ok this man had riled them, maybe with his tone blah blah, but a tazer...yeah def a punishment. Just awful, horrible things. They also had smashed his head against the broken glass, and tazer'd him a couple more times. Very upsetting....

I am gunna really study this common law thing, as I want to get it right if I was in malverns shoes. I would try to be polite and keep it 'light' as much as I could, though as has been said, psychos dont do polite. They do their own agenda. But I am human and not psycho :rolleyes: and so they will meet strength mixed with gentleness before I became a lil sterner.


Well done again malvern...wishing you loads of support with your proceedings against them.

[wildhorse]

The tazer was punishment. The pastor didn't do what he was told and that needed to be seen to have dire consequences to send out a message to others: DO AS WE TELL YOU. I refer you to the Zimbardo Stanford University prison experiment found here: http://www.prisonexp.org/

Zimbardo found that if you stick a uniform on ordinary students and ask them to play the role of prison warders to another group of students playiing the role of prisoners, those playing the warders gradually lose their humanity and become abusive and cruel. It's my belief that under these sorts of circumstances, such groups act as a channel for negative sprititual energy that unites them, but that's another thread.

very interesting bout the uniform thing...I have always thought/felt that uniforms are just another form of 'robes'. Uniforms that require to exert control and/or force, are always dark, and imposing, whereas nurses uniforms are brighter. But just wearing a uniform can change the mood and attitude of the person wearing them, as you pointed out the experiment. How many of us have seen the school knob a few years down the line be a security guard at the local supermarket strutting around like some dude in the SAS??

:D

[finkthree]

Awesome Mate!!!!!
To hear the shaking in your voice gives me goose bumps.... and even though watching yourself, should be like a rehearsal for me to fine tune my reaction when I have to go through this.. I just know my voice would be shaking just the same...
Well done Man.:)
A true Ambassador to the cause.

[yozhik]

This seemed to be the most relevant Freeman thread to revisit a post elsewhere on the Forum, with relevance to the Freeman ideology;

I was listening to a legendary 'hour of the time' broadcast by William Cooper, from 1993..he states in the show whilst reading from a magazine issued and circulated throughout the american police by the police..it states in that magazine "the prime objective of the forces are too protect the system from the masses".
Bill Cooper read that statement out 3 times to make sure the people understood the gravity of the statement!!!
it is true of ALL world police forces now!!!

Source Post (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=945242&postcount=29)

THIS speaks volumes.
This is what we are up against.

"the prime objective of the forces are too protect the system from the masses".

Every time I read that, the truth becomes ever more clearer, the deception erodes away and the determination to transform awakening into action becomes more resolute.

The prime objective of the forces are to protect the system ...
Oh really? Well, we'll just have to see what we can do about that ...

[cacadores]

The truth is that the policeman has the right to stop vehicle owners under the road traffic act. It has nothing to do with Commercial Law. Moreover, you are obliged to give identification when asked.

The moves by the driver, rubbish about return of property from the DVLA (since when has the DVLA owned cars:rolleyes:) and irrelavent references to common law were simply crude obstufication tactics, designed to hoodwink the policeman. The fact it seems to have not worked, simply proves the ineffectual nature of lies, said convincingly enough. The policeman detained him as long as it took for them to get a check done on the licence plate. As they would have done anyway. Doh!

In this case, because the man would not identify himself, he was detained for 10 minutes. So he lost.
Police 1. Driver 0.

[cacadores]

The prime objective of the forces are to protect the system ...
Oh really? Well, we'll just have to see what we can do about that ...
Why not repeat what some obscure policeman wrote in order to make believe there's a conspiracy? It's certainly one way to waste your time;)

[yozhik]

Ah ... good to see kakadores back, spreading the gospel according to the deaf, dumb and blind.

Keep preaching the system kaka ... :rolleyes:

[merlincove]

The truth is that the policeman has the right to stop vehicle owners under the road traffic act. It has nothing to do with Commercial Law. Moreover, you are obliged to give identification when asked.

The moves by the driver, rubbish about return of property from the DVLA (since when has the DVLA owned cars:rolleyes:) and irrelavent references to common law were simply crude obstufication tactics, designed to hoodwink the policeman. The fact it seems to have not worked, simply proves the ineffectual nature of lies, said convincingly enough. The policeman detained him as long as it took for them to get a check done on the licence plate. As they would have done anyway. Doh!

In this case, because the man would not identify himself, he was detained for 10 minutes. So he lost.
Police 1. Driver 0.

Why would one man have power over another? there is absolutely no reason why one man should have power over another human being, unless that relationship is one of slave and master. In equality why can an officer demand that a man or woman give their name without due cause: ie unless that officer had witnessed a breach of the peace / a crime?

There is absolutely no reason why any one man on this land has jurisdiction over another unless jurisdiction is given in the first instance.

Every man on this land is an equal, none higher than any other, whether they wear a state sanctioned uniform, wear a stupid wig and sit in a high chair, whether they beg for change or earn 100k a year – we are all equal.

We were born equal and we remain equal unless we give our consent to be governed. Claiming right to not be governed is an act that removes an imposed state of un-equality between men.

The police man is there, for one instance and for one instance only, to uphold his oath of office and govern the elements of society who break the common law of this land in committing a crime / a breach of the peace. That is his job, naught else. Sanctioning speed traps, petty fines for this and for that, pulling motorists over in the search for revenue, handing out contracts (producers) as and when he feels like it, fining for not having a seat belt on (and is it not our inalienable right to choose whether we wear a seat belt or not) – these are all modes of revenue collection, set in motion by the forfeiture of common law against statute, against acts passed down from parliament in order for that parliament to get rich. The police officer is a collection agent for the state, the police man is a peace officer to see that common law is kept.

Cacadores, if you feel that the police man won you are wrongly informed, the police officer was shown a none compliance that was in every way lawful, the police man lost big time because he failed in a way of gross negligence to attend himself to his own oath of office. That is like you promising to do attend to a task, getting paid for doing that task, and failing to do it – you would have failed and you should then be liable for that failure, it is as simple as that, and if you can not see that very simple fact then any comment you make on the fact is irrelevant, sorry, but it is. I don’t understand quantum physics, so I don’t go and talk about how quantum physicists have failed in their attempts at comprehension because their idea’s don’t fit into any rationale.

If I go to a bank and ask them for £6k to buy a car and I go to work every day in order to pay off that debt, after a period I will have paid well over £6k and I will have a nice car to show for it. I will also have a piece of paper from the DVLA to say that I am the registered keeper, and that same piece of paper clearly states that the registered keeper is not necessarily the owner. And yet I paid all the money, I worked all the hours to earn all the money. That car is mine, in every sense of ownership, that car is my property. Oh, I forgot to tax my car, and the DVLA have taken it away and they have crushed it, the bastards. But that is the law, statute and acts of parliament say it is ok. How is it ok, for a corporate body to take something that I have struggled to buy? Because they own it, that is why. It makes common sense to enter a notice to the DVLA and say that they have no right of ownership for my car, more than common sense.

[malvern]

Originally Posted by cacadores
The truth is that the policeman has the right to stop vehicle owners under the road traffic act. It has nothing to do with Commercial Law. Moreover, you are obliged to give identification when asked.

The moves by the driver, rubbish about return of property from the DVLA (since when has the DVLA owned cars) and irrelavent references to common law were simply crude obstufication tactics, designed to hoodwink the policeman. The fact it seems to have not worked, simply proves the ineffectual nature of lies, said convincingly enough. The policeman detained him as long as it took for them to get a check done on the licence plate. As they would have done anyway. Doh!

In this case, because the man would not identify himself, he was detained for 10 minutes. So he lost.
Police 1. Driver 0.



if you see things as win lose .... you most have a sad life......

The police are not employed to play games and collect tax .... they are there to protect everyone from harm.......

Check Done , so why was i not given any paperwork for the tax or no liecence ?

Faulse Search ..... did he really win , once again no paper work (NO REASON GIVEN)

Did not keep his word and contract of his Name and Station and the inspectors name he stated he would and must give .

and so on.............


kakadores is back, spreading the gospel according to the deaf, dumb and blind.It's certainly one way to waste your time





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[tien an]

Why not repeat what some obscure policeman wrote in order to make believe there's a conspiracy? It's certainly one way to waste your time;)

Why not repeat what some obscure poster on davidicke.com wrote in order to make believe there's an honourable, serving government? There's another way to waste your time...

gotta admire your tenacity.

tien an.

[cryst4l]

POLICE, STOP, NO ACTION. "not common law" (video).



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtn4n3PLkew

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I am just getting into the Freeman idiology and I think the whole conception is fantastic.

Malvern well done mate, you stuck to your guns and he got bloody flustered lol

BTW The quote "I don't work on common law" is fcuking quality :D

[malvern]

The quote "I don't work on common law" is fcuking quality


i know ....i could not believe he said it .... all coppers work comman law or they are not working.




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