Why did everyone except for me, miss this?

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Seriously, Not Mr. Icke, or even Alex Jones saw this.

Or did they find it not important?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html


Seriously, 5th ammendment taken right away, WTF??
And nobody is saying anything??

Come on people!

[synergy777]

good spot, well done bro. i think its part of his new executive powers. this is one of many devlopments. this follows on from habeas corpus etc. new legislation to be used in the vent of a national emrgency, etc, installation of martial law.

[sensimillia]

Why did everyone except for me, miss this?


because everyone didn´t.

http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=4131

;)

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Good call then. But how come Icke nor Jones said anything about it. I could understand Icke, but Jones? Missing this??

It doesn't make sense.

[mk72]

I heard about it awhile back on signs of the times:http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/
I am not an American but if I was, I would have spam alot of people to bring it to their attention

[mk72]

Good call then. But how come Icke nor Jones said anything about it. I could understand Icke, but Jones? Missing this??

It doesn't make sense.

To some people it does make sense - but how can any of us really know where Alex Jones is coming from, this is an alternative view on him if you interested
http://www.breakfornews.com/audio/NextLevel070209.mp3

[Anders Lindman]

The title is: Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq

What does that mean? Is it about blocking the American people's property? And what does 'blocking' mean here?

[synergy777]

it means those who object to the war, the failed surge, and likely the forthcoming draft/iran, can be imprisoned. they are covering their bases, legislate first, exploit later, with immunity provided by the law. see bush has full executive powers, eg, on cheneys command or another false flag like paul craig roberts and ron paul said, he can declare war instantly. he doesn't need congress/senate. he installs martial law, rationing, opens up fema detention camps, whatever he wants. he has 18 months left, he wants iran before he goes, all he needs is provocation. israel starts with syria, iran gets blamed for prs in the states, bush gets his wish.

[anoninnyc]

it means those who object to the war, the failed surge, and likely the forthcoming draft/iran, can be imprisoned. they are covering their bases, legislate first, exploit later, with immunity provided by the law. see bush has full executive powers, eg, on cheneys command or another false flag like paul craig roberts and ron paul said, he can declare war instantly. he doesn't need congress/senate. he installs martial law, rationing, opens up fema detention camps, whatever he wants. he has 18 months left, he wants iran before he goes, all he needs is provocation. israel starts with syria, iran gets blamed for prs in the states, bush gets his wish.

precisely. i am so scared about this. often when i see threads relating to this topic of impending war with iran i don't even look at them. iraq will look like a bar room brawl compared to what would happen if the usa and iran went to war. and the innocent americans and iranians would suffer while cheney and co. make even more money off of death and destruction. it is so funny just how similar the governments of iran and the usa really are. both sides claim the other is evil, while the majority of regular citizens of both countries just want to live their lives.

[anoninnyc]

because everyone didn´t.

http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=4131

;)

honestly, i am american and i missed it. didn't see it in the newspapers, television or internet. and i would not call myself the typical uninformed american.

[Anders Lindman]

it means those who object to the war, the failed surge, and likely the forthcoming draft/iran, can be imprisoned. they are covering their bases, legislate first, exploit later, with immunity provided by the law. see bush has full executive powers, eg, on cheneys command or another false flag like paul craig roberts and ron paul said, he can declare war instantly. he doesn't need congress/senate. he installs martial law, rationing, opens up fema detention camps, whatever he wants. he has 18 months left, he wants iran before he goes, all he needs is provocation. israel starts with syria, iran gets blamed for prs in the states, bush gets his wish.

:eek: Seriously? Sounds like something out of George Orwell's 1984. But what do they mean by 'property'? What has property to do with any of this? Does 'block property' mean that the government can confiscate ordinary citizen's material propery? Take their money (property). Take away their car (property). Or house?

[Anders Lindman]

Does 'block property' mean that the government can confiscate ordinary citizen's material propery?

I can imagine the following scenario:

Policeman: "This is the Police! Open the door!"

Citizen: "(opening the door) Yes?"

P: "You have violated amendment 66 of Executive Order 13303. We are here to confiscate your property"

C: "What?!"

P: "You let your neighbor use your lawn mover"

C: "And?!"

P: "That violates section 1(iii) in said order, the part that says: '...have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order.'"

C: "?"

P: "Your neighbor has property blocked pursuant to this order"

C: "I didn't know that"

P: "You are responsible for staying informed about potential criminal activity of anyone who you have transactions with. Your neighbor is a criminal as defined by Executive Order 13303. That means, following section 1(iii), that by lending your neighbor your lawn mover, you have violated Executive Order 13303"

C: "But how could I possible have known that?"

P: "Sorry, Sir, but the law must be followed."

C: "..."

P: "Kindly take off your clothes and put on this coverall"

C: "Why?.... Now?"

P: "Yes, now. All your property has been confiscated."

C: "But then I have nowhere to stay. I can't live on the street."

P: "We know that. Living on the street is not allowed. We will take you to a FEMA facility"

...

[Anders Lindman]

One Order to rule them all
One Order to find them
One Order to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them

Say hello to the NEW WORLD DISORDER :mad:

[Anders Lindman]

Seriously, how can what happens in Iraq possibly have anything to do with American citizens' private property? Utter insanity. American people, you have a fucking madman as president! Or a puppet, controlled by other madmen behind the curtain. Either way, this does not look good. Not good at all.

[anoninnyc]

Seriously, how can what happens in Iraq possibly have anything to do with American citizens' private property? Utter insanity. American people, you have a fucking madman as president! Or a puppet, controlled by other madmen behind the curtain. Either way, this does not look good. Not good at all.

I know. It is all so unconstitutional. And frightening.

[amerigirl]

Please give more scenarios. I guess I'm not completely understanding it. I asked my sister who is a complete nationalist what they took from it and got "It sounds like Bush is trying to take possession of property and bank accounts of people who are suspected of trying to undermine the efforts of the American military in Iraq." ummmmm.....

[anoninnyc]

Please give more scenarios. I guess I'm not completely understanding it. I asked my sister who is a complete nationalist what they took from it and got "It sounds like Bush is trying to take possession of property and bank accounts of people who are suspected of trying to undermine the efforts of the American military in Iraq." ummmmm.....

that is the scary part. it is worded vaguely and can be interpreted in various ways. you are not the only one who is not completely understanding it and i think that is intentional and kind of the point.

[Anders Lindman]

I didn't know it was as bad as this.

Look at the introduction of the Executive Order:

"By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,

I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004. I hereby order:

Section 1. (a) Except to the extent provided in section 203(b)(1), (3), and (4) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(1), (3), and (4)), or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the date of this order, all property and interests in property of the following persons, that are in the United States, ..."

We have:

including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act - This looks suspiciously like an ad hoc add-on to give the president dictatorial power.

unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq - Sounds like a gross exaggeration of the actual threat. What about 'Al CIAda' in Pakistan? What about Iran? What about China? Iraq is not an extraordinary threat to the United States. As Ron Paul said (about the invasion of Iraq): "We just walked right in. We can just walk right out"

humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people - Yeah, right. Why don't you tell me to believe in Santa Claus while you're at it.

all property of persons in the United States - How can the moronic wannabe dictator have the audacity to make a sweeping connection between the humanitarian assistance of the Iraqi people and the private property of American citizens? Why don't that fucking prick cram some Weapons of Mass Destruction up his fucking ass and lit the fuse?

[amerigirl]

Oh my goodness.... I tried to spread awareness of this Executive Order on another forum I frequent and this is what I got.


"Go to snopes.com and search "whitehouse.gov". This is hardly a legitmate government website and they're linked to numerous urban legend e-mails. Do you really think that "official" government news is going to be posted on a website called "whitehouse.___"?

That "Executive Order" is fake...made up to stir up controversy and debate. Or is that what you wanted this thread to do????"


Let me also say it's a highly debating forum, not on "important" issues, but they debate quite regulary.
So I came back w/ this:
"Ok, will do BRB



This is what I got:

The only urban legend it associates w/ this site is to send an email to George Bush by President @ whitehouse. gov...which would obviously be fake.



WHITE HOUSES - REAL AND FAKE





HTTP://WWW.WHITEHOUSE.GOV/ - The real-life White House
HTTP://WWW.WHITEHOUSE.NET/ - Not too bad
HTTP://WWW.WHITEHOUSE.ORG/ - A really good look-alike!
HTTP://WWW.WHITEHOUSE.ORG/initiatives/purity/index.asp - Great!
HTTP://WWW.WHITEHOUSE.COM/ - Entirely unrelated
HTTP://WWW.WHITEHOUSE.INFO/ - Originated some time between November 14th and December 28th 2005 "


I'm trying ppl, I'm trying LOL...Not an easy task :)

[thomascovenant]

But hey!

They do care about you!

They lifted the ban on taking cigarette lighters onto planes!

Funny how the viewspapers like to keep it lowbrow.

[Anders Lindman]

Oh my goodness.... I tried to spread awareness of this Executive Order on another forum I frequent and this is what I got.


"Go to snopes.com and search "whitehouse.gov". This is hardly a legitmate government website and they're linked to numerous urban legend e-mails.

whitehouse.gov not a legitimate website? Only official government sites can get a .gov domain as far as I know. whitehouse.gov is definitely the official site.

[amerigirl]

Yes, I know that :p I was just saying when I posted this on a "normal" forum, like 6 ppl came back w/ it was a FAKE Executive Order. Here I thought I was going to get some ppl goin' over there and have some real conversations, but nope, they declared it a fake, LOL. I am just astounded at how truley asleep so ppl are so sorry w/ all these posts....

[Anders Lindman]

Yes, I know that :p I was just saying when I posted this on a "normal" forum, like 6 ppl came back w/ it was a FAKE Executive Order. Here I thought I was going to get some ppl goin' over there and have some real conversations, but nope, they declared it a fake, LOL. I am just astounded at how truley asleep so ppl are so sorry w/ all these posts....

Hmm... Strange that they thought it was fake. Or maybe they became a bit shocked and didn't really know how to respond.

Another spooky thing is that in the Press Briefing video, this Executive Order was only very briefly mentioned. Listen from 09:57 in this video:

http://video.state.gov/?fr_story=1c5ff4e72fad57aa4e3b5a2113b146e216e639f2

I haven't watched the whole video, but I suspect that ZERO questions were asked about this imo very disturbing Executive Order.

[harbingers_kiss]

I'm one of those weirdos who thinks the real delusion is that governments/countries exist at all. I think all the governements are the same government. Some more passive, some more war mongering, all to give us an illusion that make the divide and conquer principle work swimmingly while everyone debates singular goverment policy, commonly accepted conspiracies and all. Bush is just a puppet to keep people hopping. He only does what he's told to make the passion play move the way they want it to.

[roxanna222]

what is so surprising?? basically anyone can take us, no advance notice for any reason, no one can help us in any way or be themselves subjected to punishment which is torture as the US is now known for (second to none) but yes heartbreaking that now they make it publicly known and no one cares to mention it or put on the tele. just another very very big step to fuckin with you and you never will know they do not have to give you warning. beware

[roxanna222]

i agree kiss. its all on a global level. no countries divide us anymore. its an agenda. pure and simple. we are just discussing the fate of the us citizens at this point in this conversation but affects all of us every where. bush is a puppet so are all "seen" leaders fuckin pups.

[ashyr]

ONE BY ONE ILL TAKE YOU DOWN.


yeah there all one ideal one force. they have to be exterminated like the rest as what he mulsim extremists say.

[roxanna222]

i do not follow you completely ashyr but to me it is one global agenda, and a green agenda in other words who comes first the agenda set by these fucks to enslave and massacre us or planet X? which that is my head game.

[roxanna222]

edit which comes first i should say

[Anders Lindman]

I'm one of those weirdos who thinks the real delusion is that governments/countries exist at all. I think all the governements are the same government. Some more passive, some more war mongering, all to give us an illusion that make the divide and conquer principle work swimmingly while everyone debates singular goverment policy, commonly accepted conspiracies and all. Bush is just a puppet to keep people hopping. He only does what he's told to make the passion play move the way they want it to.

Yes, remember that money is being sucked from virtually all governments in the form of interest into some level acting ABOVE governments.

But also, what happens within governments is important. Especially laws are important, because they make it legal for anyone, including transgovernmental power structures to use those laws, and if the laws are not very beneficial for ordinary citizens, then those laws could be very dangerous.

For Sweden, what happens in the U.S. is very important, because much of the American politics strongly influences our politics in Sweden. I am very disturbed by this new Executive Order.

If the elite above governments don't have laws that suit them, then they will have to operate in criminal ways, and that is much more difficult and risky than if they can make the laws in countries fit their interests.

[harbingers_kiss]

It sucks but it's pretty hopeless at this point. To control a thing, you must control all aspects of a thing. If we rebel, you can bet it will be one of their people who head the rebellion. If we do nothing, they do what they want to anyway and it's a great experiment in how far people can be suckered. If a global natural disaster occurs, odds are they caused it and the new leaders will be the old leaders.....

If I were them, this is what I would do. Instate the draft and get most of our young men over seas fighting. Trigger Yellowstone, causing everyone who can survive to bolt north and east where they will be put into fema housing and concentration camps and everyone is under martial law. ( Better yet, tell everyone Iran nuked Yellowstone so they can herd many of the survivors to concentration camps as conspirators because all proof of innocense will be wiped out) Then I'd trigger the New Madrid fault killing most who were running east and say Yellowstone blowing caused that fault to shift. Because of the monumental circumstances caused by the eruption and quake, Bush or whomever is next , ends up staying in office as "elections"(cough) are suspended until we are capable of having them again...that or the UN comes in and takes over. (10 years minimum) With all the people crying "save us !" they will think whatever is happening is in their best interest. With the states being bound for at least 10 years, a generation will die that even remembers how the old laws are supposed to be, making it easier to install a dicatorial government. Probably a one world government because the whole planet would be freezing and starving and dependant. The population decreases dramatically, they make sure their genetics stay alive, keep the few remaining bad genes for slave labor.

Aren't you glad it's not ME that runs things ? :D buwuhahahaha

[Anders Lindman]

It sucks but it's pretty hopeless at this point.

But surely if Ron Paul would get massive support and votes, not even mainstream media or a rigged voting system could stop him from becoming the next American president. Or?

[cheeb]

It sucks but it's pretty hopeless at this point. To control a thing, you must control all aspects of a thing. If we rebel, you can bet it will be one of their people who head the rebellion. If we do nothing, they do what they want to anyway and it's a great experiment in how far people can be suckered. If a global natural disaster occurs, odds are they caused it and the new leaders will be the old leaders.....

If I were them, this is what I would do. Instate the draft and get most of our young men over seas fighting. Trigger Yellowstone, causing everyone who can survive to bolt north and east where they will be put into fema housing and concentration camps and everyone is under martial law. ( Better yet, tell everyone Iran nuked Yellowstone so they can herd many of the survivors to concentration camps as conspirators because all proof of innocense will be wiped out) Then I'd trigger the New Madrid fault killing most who were running east and say Yellowstone blowing caused that fault to shift. Because of the monumental circumstances caused by the eruption and quake, Bush or whomever is next , ends up staying in office as "elections"(cough) are suspended until we are capable of having them again...that or the UN comes in and takes over. (10 years minimum) With all the people crying "save us !" they will think whatever is happening is in their best interest. With the states being bound for at least 10 years, a generation will die that even remembers how the old laws are supposed to be, making it easier to install a dicatorial government. Probably a one world government because the whole planet would be freezing and starving and dependant. The population decreases dramatically, they make sure their genetics stay alive, keep the few remaining bad genes for slave labor.

Aren't you glad it's not ME that runs things ? :D buwuhahahaha

Thank crikey that you aint running the show
You could be an evil ungenius
P
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P
T
t
P

[harbingers_kiss]

It's the Lex Luther approach. :p :D

[Anders Lindman]

Thank crikey that you aint running the show
You could be an evil ungenius


Actually, to the 'conspiracy' movement Ron Paul is often considered more evil. Why? Because they think that he will rob them from their enemy, and who would they be without an enemy? ;)

Listen for example to Alex Jones, how he secretly don't want Ron Paul to succeed, because then his entire business would collapse. :D

[cheeb]

I know what you mean,
I've been inspired to get my cat,
sit it on my knee,
and swivel; in my chair,
with an arched eyebrow,
"Ive been expecting you ,Mr Bond"
in a theatrical English accent...

[Anders Lindman]

I know what you mean,
I've been inspired to get my cat,
sit it on my knee,
and swivel; in my chair,
with an arched eyebrow,
"Ive been expecting you ,Mr Bond"
in a theatrical English accent...

Sounds like an agent wannabe to me.

[Anders Lindman]

Why doesn't this Executive Order have a number? I couldn't find any number. It would be much easier to discuss, refer to and talk about it if it had a number. I don't understaaaaand! Well, maybe the reason why it hasn't got a number, at least not for public display, is because they want to make it more difficult for the media and the public to discuss it. I wouldn't expect them to call it Executive Order 66, although it probably has some real number, only that's clearly not something they want to show to the public. If they wanted to, they would have included the number in the press release.

And then we have the video. The Daily Press Briefing looks rigged to the max. Executive Order 66 is only mentioned very briefly, and then they quickly switch to another topic.

Watch from 09:57 in the video:

http://video.state.gov/?fr_story=1c5ff4e72fad57aa4e3b5a2113b146e216e639f2

Most of the journalists are probably genuine, or at least as sincere a mainstream media journalist can be. But notice that some of the journalists are working together with the Spokesman in this charade. For these people, the main, important thing is to make sure that Execute Order 66 is not talked about, and no questions asked about it. If you watch and listen carefully, you can actually sense a relief among these people, after Executive Order 66 has been mentioned. I think they must mention it, because if the don't they don't adhere to the strict regulations, and make an intolerable error. They must follow the law, but they can do the best they can to make sure that Executive Order 66 is not picked up by media. That's the reason why Executive Order 66 was mentioned so briefly and so quickly covered up.

Almost the whole Daily Press Briefing is about the danger in Iraq and Iran. If they would have followed Ron Paul's advice, then they could have discussed how and when to remove the troops in Iraq, but no, they seem to want to increase/perpetuate/boost/expand the conflict rather than step away from it, for without the conflict, Executive Order 66 would not have been possible.

What a bunch of amateurs! :D

[bicycle]

A lot of you are re-acting the way they whant you to, all fearfull and powerless, I guess thats coz a lot of you are so dependent on their system.

Anyway these 'laws' mean shit if no-one complys, its as simple as that. A handfull of people make the laws and hundreds of thousands (military, police etc...) of highly paid robots just follow orders.

I'm glad I dont live in America, something big is brewing there,anyway should make good tv better than the shite thats already on:D

[Anders Lindman]

I see now that the Executive Order is only about what is called "acts of violence". So maybe in practice this Execute Order is not so dangerous as I first believed. :confused: Probably "acts of violence" means terrorist acts, and then in practice this Executive Order would not be dangerous for ordinary citizens. I will try to find the exact meaning and definition of "act of violence"...

[infinitetruth]

It sucks but it's pretty hopeless at this point. To control a thing, you must control all aspects of a thing. If we rebel, you can bet it will be one of their people who head the rebellion. If we do nothing, they do what they want to anyway and it's a great experiment in how far people can be suckered. If a global natural disaster occurs, odds are they caused it and the new leaders will be the old leaders.....

If I were them, this is what I would do. Instate the draft and get most of our young men over seas fighting. Trigger Yellowstone, causing everyone who can survive to bolt north and east where they will be put into fema housing and concentration camps and everyone is under martial law. ( Better yet, tell everyone Iran nuked Yellowstone so they can herd many of the survivors to concentration camps as conspirators because all proof of innocense will be wiped out) Then I'd trigger the New Madrid fault killing most who were running east and say Yellowstone blowing caused that fault to shift. Because of the monumental circumstances caused by the eruption and quake, Bush or whomever is next , ends up staying in office as "elections"(cough) are suspended until we are capable of having them again...that or the UN comes in and takes over. (10 years minimum) With all the people crying "save us !" they will think whatever is happening is in their best interest. With the states being bound for at least 10 years, a generation will die that even remembers how the old laws are supposed to be, making it easier to install a dicatorial government. Probably a one world government because the whole planet would be freezing and starving and dependant. The population decreases dramatically, they make sure their genetics stay alive, keep the few remaining bad genes for slave labor.

Aren't you glad it's not ME that runs things ? :D buwuhahahaha

Isn't it disturbing how we can think our way into the situation worsening, yet we cannot think our way out of it? Wouldn't it be better if we used our time on thinking our way out of these situations instead of saying 'its pretty hopeless really' - aren't we all just sealing our own fate by doing that?

[Anders Lindman]

I will try to find the exact meaning and definition of "act of violence"...

I found:

"Act of violence - Act of violence means any intentional, reckless, or grossly negligent act that would reasonably be expected to cause physical injury or death to another person."

From: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/RulesAnnotated19Mar01and01Oct02_51727_7.pdf

Let's assume that that is the definition used in the Executive Order.

What is the reason for the U.S. troops in Iraq? To preserve peace and stability of Iraq and the Government of Iraq. Right? And wouldn't then the removal of the U.S. troops from Iraq reasonably be expected to cause physical injury or death to another person? To many persons, in fact.

Now that is interesting. What does Ron Paul promote? The removal of the U.S. troops from Iraq. And what does the Executive Order say? It says: "...to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of: (A) threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq;..."

Given the above definition of "act of violence", it seems that the act of removing the U.S. troops indeed is included in that definition.

And if so, donating money to Ron Paul's presidential election campaign would be a crime according to this new Executive Order.

I'm no expert on these things. It would be interesting to have some experts to comment on this.

[harbingers_kiss]

Well, if you have a plan that does'nt involve the rigged elections, please enlighten me. See, I DO have a plan actually, but it will never happen. No matter how hard I try, I can't delude myself into thinking it would. Here's the plan.

All citizen's of planet Earth rise up in peaceful protest. They put their religions and racisms aside, refuse to obey their governments. They march into their gov leaders offices and escort them out the door. This would mean that all the lower ranks in the military would have to put down their weapons and disobey orders as well. Then we take over the banking industry etc...

That's my best shot...and it's a very very long shot.

When I was 4 years old, I asked my father about the Viet Nam war. I asked "Why does'nt everyone just put down their guns and love each other and help rebuild each others homes ?" My father told me "It's more complicated than that, you will understand when you are an adult." Here I am, 43 years old..and that is STILL my solution to war and all the BS we are now facing.

In the town I live in, people post flyers at the post office that state "kill all muslims !". Back when I believed in anything, I spent my life praying and meditating and saying positive affirmations for people like these. It has done no good whatsoever and people's offspring are getting more stupid by the generation. Mmm all that "love & light" everyone sent in the 80's led us to a dicatorship with the population waving their flags wanting to kill anybody the President wants dead. I just can't see these people rising up in peaceful protest against the powers that be anytime soon. It's sad as hell. :(

[infinitetruth]

Defo - all everyone has to do is put down their weapons.

How do we do that? By instilling in our children that they have complete control over their existance and their actions and their ability to question everything. Put aside all belief systems, put aside all education systems, put aside all military systems - put aside everything we were ever told to believe is right and good. After this, compassion is all that remains.


However you said 'See, I DO have a plan actually, but it will never happen. No matter how hard I try, I can't delude myself into thinking it would'

What is delusion anyway?? How do you define delusion, and why is that definition correct? Don't put yourself down, I have the same plan - we CAN do this!

[infinitetruth]

You know when my son was ill it was like every path I took was blocked. Every way I thought of helping him was another failure it was like I couldn't get through, I couldn't find the answer. I was like 'why is this happening, its like there is no way out. How can I EVER find a way??'

But I realised the reason why all the paths were blocked is simply because there is only one way out. There was only one way I could help my son - I just had to find it. So when it seems like every path is blocked, like there is no way out of this Illuminati mess of a world, perhaps it is because there is only one way out of it. And we have either not found that way yet, or have overlooked it.

[harbingers_kiss]

I wish I could be as positive as you. Know that my doom scenario is not entirely the case. I write that from a standpoint of what is happening and probable in this physical world. My daughter and I have both had dreams about what will happen as far as the "spiritual" aspect of all this...but our physical bodies of course die. What we see is a huge reunion on the other side. The system of things here will immediately fade. My daughter believes this and I am glad she does. Me, I'm having trouble believing anything at present. I've logic'd myself out of believing in anything. :( I don't see people coming together, much less a majority, teaching their children the ideals of beauty, peace, and love. At least not in this quantum signature. I do hope that one day I will logic myself back around into believing as you do though. That there is a concrete solution that will present itself and that people will change. I admire you. :)

[anoninnyc]

In the town I live in, people post flyers at the post office that state "kill all muslims !". Back when I believed in anything, I spent my life praying and meditating and saying positive affirmations for people like these. It has done no good whatsoever and people's offspring are getting more stupid by the generation. Mmm all that "love & light" everyone sent in the 80's led us to a dicatorship with the population waving their flags wanting to kill anybody the President wants dead. I just can't see these people rising up in peaceful protest against the powers that be anytime soon. It's sad as hell. :(

Really? That is so sad and disturbing. I am American, a New Yorker but my family is from Iran. I am not Muslim (or any other religion) but my family is. There is no substantial difference between my Muslim family back home in Iran who are devout Muslims and the Christian friends I have here in America. Both are nice people for the most part. And both countries are run by mad men who like to scapegoat another evil country while they rob the masses and commit acts of murder and torture. Luckily here in NYC the anti-Islamic anti-Middle Eastern backlash after 9-11 has died down. And I heard it all, noone assumes I am middle eastern as I am extremely fair with dirty blonde hair and light eyes. So people would say really ignorant stuff straight to my face having no idea that I am Persian (we come in a range of colors). But let me tell you, after 9-11 I was very scared that there might be some kind of Japanese Internment Camp situation. It was a very difficult time for people who looked Islamic, even Sikh gas station workers were attacked by idiots who a. thought they were middle eastern and b. didn't know that sikhism is a religion and is NOT islam.

[danielg]

Seriously, Not Mr. Icke, or even Alex Jones saw this.

Or did they find it not important?

You lifted it straight from www.globalresearch.ca :rolleyes:

[anoninnyc]

ush Executive Order: Criminalizing the Antiwar Movement

by Prof. Michel Chossudovsky

Global Research, July 20, 2007

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The Executive Order entitled "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq" provides the President with the authority to confiscate the assets of whoever opposes the US led war.

A presidential Executive Order issued on July 17th, repeals with the stroke of a pen the right to dissent and to oppose the Pentagon's military agenda in Iraq.

The Executive Order entitled "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq" provides the President with the authority to confiscate the assets of "certain persons" who oppose the US led war in Iraq:

"I have issued an Executive Order blocking property of persons determined to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people."

In substance, under this executive order, opposing the war becomes an illegal act.

The Executive Order criminalizes the antiwar movement. It is intended to "blocking property" of US citizens and organizations actively involved in the peace movement. It allows the Department of Defense to interfere in financial affairs and instruct the Treasury to "block the property" and/or confiscate/ freeze the assets of "Certain Persons" involved in antiwar activities. It targets those "Certain Persons" in America, including civil society organizatioins, who oppose the Bush Administration's "peace and stability" program in Iraq, characterized, in plain English, by an illegal occupation and the continued killing of innocent civilians.

The Executive Order also targets those "Certain Persons" who are "undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction", or who, again in plain English, are opposed to the confiscation and privatization of Iraq's oil resources, on behalf of the Anglo-American oil giants.




The order is also intended for anybody who opposes Bush's program of "political reform in Iraq", in other words, who questions the legitimacy of an Iraqi "government" installed by the occupation forces.

Moreover, those persons or nongovernmental organizations (NGOs), who provide bona fide humanitarian aid to Iraqi civilians, and who are not approved by the US Military or its lackeys in the US sponsored Iraqi puppet government are also liable to have their financial assets confiscated.

The executive order violates the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments of the US Constitution. It repeals one of the fundamental tenets of US democracy, which is the right to free expression and dissent. The order has not been the object of discussion in the US Congress. Sofar, it has not been addressed by the US antiwar movement, in terms of a formal statement.

Apart from a bland Associated Press wire report, which presents the executive order as "an authority to use financial sanctions", there has been no media coverage or commentary of a presidential decision which strikes at the heart of the US Constitution..

Broader implications

The criminalization of the State is when the sitting President and Vice President use and abuse their authority through executive orders, presidential directives or otherwise to define "who are the criminals" when in fact they they are the criminals.

This latest executive order criminalizes the peace movement. It must be viewed in relation to various pieces of "anti-terrorist" legislation, the gamut of presidential and national security directives, etc., which are ultimately geared towards repealing constitutional government and installing martial law in the event of a "national emergency".

The war criminals in high office are intent upon repressing all forms of dissent which question the legitimacy of the war in Iraq.

The executive order combined with the existing anti-terrorist legislation is eventually intended to be used against the anti-war and civil rights movements. It can be used to seize the assets of antiwar groups in America as well as block the property and activities of non-governmental humanitarian organizations providing relief in Iraq, seizing the assets of alternative media involved in a reporting the truth regarding the US-led war, etc.

In May 2007, Bush issued a major presidential National Security Directive (National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51/HSPD 20), which would suspend constitutional government and instate broad dictatorial powers under martial law in the case of a "Catastrophic Emergency" (e.g. Second 9/11 terrorist attack).

On July 11, 2007 the CIA published its "National Intelligence Estimate" which pointed to an imminent Al Qaeda attack on America, a second 9/11 which, according to the terms of NSPD 51, would immediately be followed by the suspension of constitutional government and the instatement of martial law under the authority of the president and the vice-president. (For further details, see Michel Chossudovsky, Bush Directive for a "Catastrophic Emergency" in America: Building a Justification for Waging War on Iran? June 2007)

NSPD 51 grants unprecedented powers to the Presidency and the Department of Homeland Security, overriding the foundations of Constitutional government. It allows the sitting president to declare a “national emergency” without Congressional approval. The implementation of NSPD 51 would lead to the de facto closing down of the Legislature and the militarization of justice and law enforcement.

"The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government...."

Were NSPD 51 to be invoked, Vice President Dick Cheney, who constitutes the real power behind the Executive, would essentially assume de facto dictatorial powers, circumventing both the US Congress and the Judiciary, while continuing to use President George W. Bush as a proxy figurehead.

NSPD 51, while bypassing the Constitution, nonetheless, envisages very precise procedures which guarantee the powers of Vice President Dick Cheney in relation to "Continuity of Goverment" functions under Martial Law:

"This directive shall be implemented in a manner that is consistent with, and facilitates effective implementation of, provisions of the Constitution concerning succession to the Presidency or the exercise of its powers, and the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 (3 U.S.C. 19), with consultation of the Vice President and, as appropriate, others involved. Heads of executive departments and agencies shall ensure that appropriate support is available to the Vice President and others involved as necessary to be prepared at all times to implement those provisions." (NSPD 51, op cit.)

The executive order to confiscate the assets of antiwar/peace activists is broadly consistent with NSPD 51. It could be triggered even in the absence of a "Catastrophic emergency" as envisaged under NSPD 51. It repeals democracy. It goes one step further in "criminalizing" all forms of opposition and dissent. to the US led war and "Homeland Security" agenda.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6377

danielg- thought that this link was very helpful. thanks.

[harbingers_kiss]

anon, that's terrible the fear you had to endure. I have a friend in California who is Persian. He looks it too. He was about 34 at the time and his parents made him live at their place farther in the country until it all blew over. I live in North dakota and it's predominantly old staunch Republicans. They don't forget either. These people will hate Muslims with their dying breath and so will their children. It's insane..and so very scary.

[joe dolan]

Isn't it disturbing how we can think our way into the situation worsening, yet we cannot think our way out of it? Wouldn't it be better if we used our time on thinking our way out of these situations instead of saying 'its pretty hopeless really' - aren't we all just sealing our own fate by doing that?

hear hear.WE are allowing this!!

[harbingers_kiss]

That's kinda my point joe...we are allowing this and the we that are allowing this are in the majority. And here we are, talking about it on a message board but which one of us will go to our gov offices and try to do anything about it ? I know I won't or I'll get tortured and killed. I won't unless the rest of "we" does so too..and when do you think the rest of we will do this ? LOL

[Anders Lindman]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6377

danielg- thought that this link was very helpful. thanks.

Excellent!! I have struggled to do my own research, but I'm a bit amateurish when it comes to these things. At last an article about this. Phew!

[infinitetruth]

hear hear.WE are allowing this!!

Well this is the way I see it. (thinking in positive terms!)

It is inevitable that the Illuminati will fail. Why? Because they feel the need to keep pushing the boundaries, they have to control us, they have to have complete and utter control. However, every new thing they do awakens more people to what they are doing. They are digging their own grave! Look how many people woke up after 9/11? Every further law or threat they impose on us, every terrorist threat or attack they orchestrate will awaken more and more people. Until, eventually, we all know. And then in our unity we will have more strength then they have ever known. It is inevitable.

[anoninnyc]

Well this is the way I see it. (thinking in positive terms!)

It is inevitable that the Illuminati will fail. Why? Because they feel the need to keep pushing the boundaries, they have to control us, they have to have complete and utter control. However, every new thing they do awakens more people to what they are doing. They are digging their own grave! Look how many people woke up after 9/11? Every further law or threat they impose on us, every terrorist threat or attack they orchestrate will awaken more and more people. Until, eventually, we all know. And then in our unity we will have more strength then they have ever known. It is inevitable.

i think you are right. it is like how aaron russo questioned his former friend, the rockefeller i believe, and asked why would you do these things when you already have almost everything. don't know the exact quote off the top of my head. it does not make sense to normal people like us, but i think it is this insane thirst for power that eventually does them in. but i do think it will get to a terrible state before things get better...... like the fema concentration camps, etc.

[infinitetruth]

The famous saying is 'pride comes before a fall'
The more arrogant and powerful they get the closer they get to revealing their true colours and blowing the whole plan. Will it be too late by the time we realise? NO, because there are only a few of them, when people realise it won't only be the civilians who wake up, but the police force and military, since they are human too, they will wake up too. Like I said, the collapse is inevitable.

The more they enforce their control the more eyes will open!!

[a_fighter]

The famous saying is 'pride comes before a fall'
The more arrogant and powerful they get the closer they get to revealing their true colours and blowing the whole plan. Will it be too late by the time we realise? NO, because there are only a few of them, when people realise it won't only be the civilians who wake up, but the police force and military, since they are human too, they will wake up too. Like I said, the collapse is inevitable.

The more they enforce their control the more eyes will open!!

I dont know about police and military, since all the leaders of those organizations are part of illuminati.

[harbingers_kiss]

They don't make mistakes as blatant as the trade towers. They wanted to people to start questioning. Just another part of the divide and conquer principle. They start half the conspiracies themselves. To control a thing, you must control all aspects of a thing.

[infinitetruth]

Well I think they do. Putting them on a pedestal as if they are all powerful, only adds to the feeling of helplessness they want you to feel.


I dont know about police and military, since all the leaders of those organizations are part of illuminati

The leaders, yes - but the rest are not in the know and therefore could 'wake up' just like the rest of us.

[harbingers_kiss]

Underestimating their intelligence means there is no hope of breaking free. If I am to play by your hopeful scenario..which I very much admire, I need to cover all the bases..as they do.

[cleft_asunder]

precisely. i am so scared about this. often when i see threads relating to this topic of impending war with iran i don't even look at them. iraq will look like a bar room brawl compared to what would happen if the usa and iran went to war. and the innocent americans and iranians would suffer while cheney and co. make even more money off of death and destruction. it is so funny just how similar the governments of iran and the usa really are. both sides claim the other is evil, while the majority of regular citizens of both countries just want to live their lives.

Although every level of the agenda is important such as huge money profits, what the controllers are really salivating over is the fear energy that will be generated. Talk about a massive feast.

[anoninnyc]

Although every level of the agenda is important such as huge money profits, what the controllers are really salivating over is the fear energy that will be generated. Talk about a massive feast.

you are correct. that is one point that i completely agree with icke on, they feed off of our fear. i have not yet learned to master this fear nor have the majority of human beings.......

[infinitetruth]

well, i am not afraid. Nothing they do surprises me anymore and they sure as hell have a weakness!

But if what Icke is saying is true, these guys have been going since the dawn of time - it will take a LOT to erradicate them and their plans.

[harbingers_kiss]

According to my own research, and who my family was, I believe Mr. Icke is correct. I don't think they can be "eradicated" and from my own experience I would'nt want that anyway, there are those in power who are against what the others are doing. Those few are the only ace in the hole that I can see so far. ( eradicated from power. yes. )

[harbingers_kiss]

By the way, I love the bold red words on your sig. " I love you." and "Thank You". I've had the day from hell..ok the lifetime from hell LOL, but I see that on your post and I just get the feeling you really mean it to everyone on this forum. It makes me smile. :)

[Anders Lindman]

you are correct. that is one point that i completely agree with icke on, they feed off of our fear. i have not yet learned to master this fear nor have the majority of human beings.......

As David Icke described, this was even accurately depicted in the movie Monster Inc. or whatever it's called. First the monsters got their energy by scaring children, but at the end of the movie they discovered that they could get more energy from the children when they entertained them instead of scaring them. :)

[synergy777]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6377

Bush Executive Order: Criminalizing the Antiwar Movement


by Prof. Michel Chossudovsky

Global Research, July 20, 2007


The Executive Order entitled "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq" provides the President with the authority to confiscate the assets of whoever opposes the US led war.
A presidential Executive Order issued on July 17th, repeals with the stroke of a pen the right to dissent and to oppose the Pentagon's military agenda in Iraq.

The Executive Order entitled "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq" provides the President with the authority to confiscate the assets of "certain persons" who oppose the US led war in Iraq:

"I have issued an Executive Order blocking property of persons determined to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people."

In substance, under this executive order, opposing the war becomes an illegal act.

The Executive Order criminalizes the antiwar movement. It is intended to "blocking property" of US citizens and organizations actively involved in the peace movement. It allows the Department of Defense to interfere in financial affairs and instruct the Treasury to "block the property" and/or confiscate/ freeze the assets of "Certain Persons" involved in antiwar activities. It targets those "Certain Persons" in America, including civil society organizatioins, who oppose the Bush Administration's "peace and stability" program in Iraq, characterized, in plain English, by an illegal occupation and the continued killing of innocent civilians.

The Executive Order also targets those "Certain Persons" who are "undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction", or who, again in plain English, are opposed to the confiscation and privatization of Iraq's oil resources, on behalf of the Anglo-American oil giants.


The order is also intended for anybody who opposes Bush's program of "political reform in Iraq", in other words, who questions the legitimacy of an Iraqi "government" installed by the occupation forces.

Moreover, those persons or nongovernmental organizations (NGOs), who provide bona fide humanitarian aid to Iraqi civilians, and who are not approved by the US Military or its lackeys in the US sponsored Iraqi puppet government are also liable to have their financial assets confiscated.

The executive order violates the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments of the US Constitution. It repeals one of the fundamental tenets of US democracy, which is the right to free expression and dissent. The order has not been the object of discussion in the US Congress. Sofar, it has not been addressed by the US antiwar movement, in terms of a formal statement.

Apart from a bland Associated Press wire report, which presents the executive order as "an authority to use financial sanctions", there has been no media coverage or commentary of a presidential decision which strikes at the heart of the US Constitution..

Broader implications

The criminalization of the State is when the sitting President and Vice President use and abuse their authority through executive orders, presidential directives or otherwise to define "who are the criminals" when in fact they they are the criminals.

This latest executive order criminalizes the peace movement. It must be viewed in relation to various pieces of "anti-terrorist" legislation, the gamut of presidential and national security directives, etc., which are ultimately geared towards repealing constitutional government and installing martial law in the event of a "national emergency".

The war criminals in high office are intent upon repressing all forms of dissent which question the legitimacy of the war in Iraq.

The executive order combined with the existing anti-terrorist legislation is eventually intended to be used against the anti-war and civil rights movements. It can be used to seize the assets of antiwar groups in America as well as block the property and activities of non-governmental humanitarian organizations providing relief in Iraq, seizing the assets of alternative media involved in reporting the truth regarding the US-led war, etc.

In May 2007, Bush issued a major presidential National Security Directive (National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51/HSPD 20), which would suspend constitutional government and instate broad dictatorial powers under martial law in the case of a "Catastrophic Emergency" (e.g. Second 9/11 terrorist attack).

On July 11, 2007 the CIA published its "National Intelligence Estimate" which pointed to an imminent Al Qaeda attack on America, a second 9/11 which, according to the terms of NSPD 51, would immediately be followed by the suspension of constitutional government and the instatement of martial law under the authority of the president and the vice-president. (For further details, see Michel Chossudovsky, Bush Directive for a "Catastrophic Emergency" in America: Building a Justification for Waging War on Iran? June 2007)

NSPD 51 grants unprecedented powers to the Presidency and the Department of Homeland Security, overriding the foundations of Constitutional government. It allows the sitting president to declare a “national emergency” without Congressional approval. The implementation of NSPD 51 would lead to the de facto closing down of the Legislature and the militarization of justice and law enforcement.

"The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government...."

Were NSPD 51 to be invoked, Vice President Dick Cheney, who constitutes the real power behind the Executive, would essentially assume de facto dictatorial powers, circumventing both the US Congress and the Judiciary, while continuing to use President George W. Bush as a proxy figurehead.

NSPD 51, while bypassing the Constitution, nonetheless, envisages very precise procedures which guarantee the powers of Vice President Dick Cheney in relation to "Continuity of Goverment" functions under Martial Law:

"This directive shall be implemented in a manner that is consistent with, and facilitates effective implementation of, provisions of the Constitution concerning succession to the Presidency or the exercise of its powers, and the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 (3 U.S.C. 19), with consultation of the Vice President and, as appropriate, others involved. Heads of executive departments and agencies shall ensure that appropriate support is available to the Vice President and others involved as necessary to be prepared at all times to implement those provisions." (NSPD 51, op cit.)

The executive order to confiscate the assets of antiwar/peace activists is broadly consistent with NSPD 51. It could be triggered even in the absence of a "Catastrophic emergency" as envisaged under NSPD 51. It repeals democracy. It goes one step further in "criminalizing" all forms of opposition and dissent. to the US led war and "Homeland Security" agenda.



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ANNEX

TEXT OF THE EXECUTIVE ORDER

July 17, 2007

Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,

I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004. I hereby order:

Section 1. (a) Except to the extent provided in section 203(b)(1), (3), and (4) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(1), (3), and (4)), or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the date of this order, all property and interests in property of the following persons, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States persons, are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in: any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense,

(i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:

(A) threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq; or

(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people;

(ii) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, logistical, or technical support for, or goods or services in support of, such an act or acts of violence or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; or

(iii) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order.

(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to, (i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order, and (ii) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person.

Sec. 2. (a) Any transaction by a United States person or within the United States that evades or avoids, has the purpose of evading or avoiding, or attempts to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.

(b) Any conspiracy formed to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.

Sec. 3. For purposes of this order:

(a) the term "person" means an individual or entity;

(b) the term "entity" means a partnership, association, trust, joint venture, corporation, group, subgroup, or other organization; and

(c) the term "United States person" means any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any jurisdiction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States.

Sec. 4. I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 and expanded in Executive Order 13315, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 of this order.

Sec. 5. For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that, because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render these measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective in addressing the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 and expanded in Executive Order 13315, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1(a) of this order.

Sec. 6. The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense, is hereby authorized to take such actions, including the promulgation of rules and regulations, and to employ all powers granted to the President by IEEPA as may be necessary to carry out the purposes of this order. The Secretary of the Treasury may redelegate any of these functions to other officers and agencies of the United States Government, consistent with applicable law. All agencies of the United States Government are hereby directed to take all appropriate measures within their authority to carry out the provisions of this order and, where appropriate, to advise the Secretary of the Treasury in a timely manner of the measures taken.

Sec. 7. Nothing in this order is intended to affect the continued effectiveness of any rules, regulations, orders, licenses, or other forms of administrative action issued, taken, or continued in effect heretofore or hereafter under 31 C.F.R. chapter V, except as expressly terminated, modified, or suspended by or pursuant to this order.

Sec. 8. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right, benefit, or privilege, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers or employees, or any other person.

GEORGE W. BUSH

THE WHITE HOUSE,

July 17, 2007.


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Below is the text of the Message to the Congress of the United States Regarding International Emergency Economic Powers Act


[There has been no response by the US congress or commentary by individual Senators or Representatives.]

Office of the Press Secretary July 17, 2007

Message to the Congress of the United States Regarding International Emergency Economic Powers Act

White House News

Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq

Pursuant to the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), I hereby report that I have issued an Executive Order blocking property of persons determined to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people.

I issued this order to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004.

In these previous Executive Orders, I ordered various measures to address the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by obstacles to the orderly reconstruction of Iraq, the restoration and maintenance of peace and security in that country, and the development of political, administrative, and economic institutions in Iraq.

My new order takes additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 and expanded in Executive Order 13315 by blocking the property and interests in property of persons determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense, to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people.

The order further authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense, to designate for blocking those persons determined to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, logistical, or technical support for, or goods or services in support of, such an act or acts of violence or any person designated pursuant to this order, or to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order.

I delegated to the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense, the authority to take such actions, including the promulgation of rules and regulations, and to employ all powers granted to the President by IEEPA as may be necessary to carry out the purposes of my order. I am enclosing a copy of the Executive Order I have issued.

GEORGE W. BUSH

The White House,

July 17, 2007.

[amerigirl]

Couldn't leave this thread w/ 66 posts on EO 66, LOL
I've been thinking more about it..See I get their assets will be frozen and such if they are shown to be conspirators to violence and such in Iraq. This is about violence, not the peace movement. Talking about Iraq will not get your assets frozen. Sending ammunitions, funds, people, plans, phone calls, etc... to groups or people who are known to cause violence and insurgency in Iraq WILL get them frozen. Maybe we're blowing it out of proportion (not directed towards anyone in particular.) Stop reading the theorists who want to make you believe what they are saying. If the Prez wanted to issue an EO saying he wanted to ban any thing (as in me, you, joe blow schmo) in opposition to Iraq, I firmly believe he would. THIS IS NOT THAT BAN.

[Anders Lindman]

Couldn't leave this thread w/ 66 posts on EO 66, LOL
I've been thinking more about it..See I get their assets will be frozen and such if they are shown to be conspirators to violence and such in Iraq. This is about violence, not the peace movement. Talking about Iraq will not get your assets frozen. Sending ammunitions, funds, people, plans, phone calls, etc... to groups or people who are known to cause violence and insurgency in Iraq WILL get them frozen. Maybe we're blowing it out of proportion (not directed towards anyone in particular.) Stop reading the theorists who want to make you believe what they are saying. If the Prez wanted to issue an EO saying he wanted to ban any thing (as in me, you, joe blow schmo) in opposition to Iraq, I firmly believe he would. THIS IS NOT THAT BAN.

Yes, on another site I got the answer that it was a stretch to call the removal of the U.S. troops from Iraq an 'act' of violence, for example.

The definition of act of violence, if correct, is very broad and general, but it probably has to be that in order to cover all the terrorist acts:

"Act of violence - Act of violence means any intentional, reckless, or grossly negligent act that would reasonably be expected to cause physical injury or death to another person."

But, at least, it's a bit strange that the media has been so quiet about EO66. Do they think the public will not understand the order? Or that the order is not important enough to be covered?

[cruise4]

If we rebel, you can bet it will be one of their people who head the rebellion

We MUST ensure this doesn't happen. Whoever is left standing as a leader after any fight, must NOT be allowed to then preside at all. Even if genuine the chance must not be taken.

Actually, to the 'conspiracy' movement Ron Paul is often considered more evil. Why? Because they think that he will rob them from their enemy, and who would they be without an enemy?

You are having a laugh... right?

All citizen's of planet Earth rise up in peaceful protest. They put their religions and racisms aside, refuse to obey their governments. They march into their gov leaders offices and escort them out the door. This would mean that all the lower ranks in the military would have to put down their weapons and disobey orders as well. Then we take over the banking industry etc...

It wouldn't take all. There are relatively few of them. I'm somewhat confident the troops will wise up... its the Police that concern me most because the service attracts a fairly low grade personality. If a million people marched on London... it would be over very quickly! But those in government buildings need arresting, then the papers gone through very carefully. Same with washington... if a couple of million marched on Washington they could do as they wish. If a 100,000 marched on Area51 they could look around to their hearts content. Ditto Denver.

I won't unless the rest of "we" does so too..and when do you think the rest of we will do this ?

When an event occurs that is so horrific the human psyche in the majority of people comes to the fore. In other words when it 'directly' impinges on them. They can 'increment' all they want... but at some point the whole will become visible to most.

A Reptile will let you take its offspring, so I've heard. Humans won't.

Lets assume for a moment that the ET's/Greys/Reptilian/fear thing has some merit. These offworld groups may be clever but they have made a serious error.

Had we been asked I for one would wish to assist the greys overcome this 'dying race' scenario. If the Reps do all this for energy then I would wish to assist in finding an alternative that may enable them to co-exist. If there are any good reps reading this take note... we are ALL poorer but we could be ALL richer. Your leaders are going about this all wrong.

Off topic: If the Reps are 2000 years ahead of us in tech, or want the earth as their own... why aren't we already long gone, or chipped?

[Anders Lindman]

Actually, to the 'conspiracy' movement Ron Paul is often considered more evil. Why? Because they think that he will rob them from their enemy, and who would they be without an enemy?

You are having a laugh... right?


Not really. On the subconscious level, there is a hidden protection of beliefs going on, and oftentimes the need to keep the enemy is stronger than finding a solution. In addition to that, even people who are deeply involved in the truth movement probably still are run by mainstream 'security/authority' on the subconscious level, and from that perspective Ron Paul appears as a not strong enough candidate for U.S. presidency.

[amerigirl]

Take a looks at this, about 4 minutes into it... coincidence or not?!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[I]Section 1. (a) Except to the extent provided in section 203(b)(1), (3), and (4) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(1), (3), and (4)), or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the date of this order, all property and interests in property of the following persons, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States persons, are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in: any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense

There's the 5th admendmant right taken away right there, no warrent needed.

This government has now asserted -- without so much as a by-your-leave from Congress -- its right to take away our houses, cars, savings accounts, the stuff of our lives, on the say-so of the President and his Treasury Secretary. They are not kidding. What we do here, what I am doing right now (unless I choose my words very carefully) is being done in defiance of the Law According to George Bush.

When the President can take away your life's savings without due process, under authority of a law no people's legislature ever approved, for simply disagreeing with his policies and publicly stating your intentions to do something about them, we are treading so close to that line that it's hard to tell whether we're actually over it.

And, worse, we've reached the point where these outrages seem to occur weekly -- bigger and more blatant every time, but by now we've seen so many so often that we're inured. We don't even know where to start fighting. In any other administration we've ever had, this one act on its own would be an impeachable offense. In this one, it's just another drop in an overflowing bucket

(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people;

It's that B clause that concerns me -- and should concern all of us who blog, comment, organize, write letters, and otherwise exercise our rights to agitate against this war. "Undermining the efforts" is a term that can be defined very, very broadly. And since those of us opposing this war have been told repeatedly, from the beginning, that our efforts to change our fellow citizens' minds were in fact treasonous acts that undermined the war effort, emboldened America's enemies, and harmed our troops, it's not unreasonable to believe that those warnings are now being backed up by official action. "At risk of committing significant acts of violence" is more overbroad weasel-speak: How many of us have said things that could be construed (at least by the certifiable paranoids in the White House) as a threat of violence against the Bush Administration?

Or am I just a certified paranoid?

[Anders Lindman]

(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people;

It's that B clause that concerns me -- and should concern all of us who blog, comment, organize, write letters, and otherwise exercise our rights to agitate against this war.

I have looked at that. The (B) section is a part of this:

"(i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:"

So they are still talking about acts of violence here. Nevertheless, all these anti-terror laws surely must be a burden on society? I hope the EU will not start dishing out Executive Order after Executive Order. Or maybe they are already doing that, but in an even more surreptitious way than the U.S. government? :eek:

[king]

I can imagine the following scenario:

Policeman: "This is the Police! Open the door!"

Citizen: "(opening the door) Yes?"

P: "You have violated amendment 66 of Executive Order 13303. We are here to confiscate your property"

C: "What?!"

P: "You let your neighbor use your lawn mover"

C: "And?!"

P: "That violates section 1(iii) in said order, the part that says: '...have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order.'"

C: "?"

P: "Your neighbor has property blocked pursuant to this order"

C: "I didn't know that"

P: "You are responsible for staying informed about potential criminal activity of anyone who you have transactions with. Your neighbor is a criminal as defined by Executive Order 13303. That means, following section 1(iii), that by lending your neighbor your lawn mover, you have violated Executive Order 13303"

C: "But how could I possible have known that?"

P: "Sorry, Sir, but the law must be followed."

C: "..."

P: "Kindly take off your clothes and put on this coverall"

C: "Why?.... Now?"

P: "Yes, now. All your property has been confiscated."

C: "But then I have nowhere to stay. I can't live on the street."

P: "We know that. Living on the street is not allowed. We will take you to a FEMA facility"

...


ROTFL.... and crying... but not from laughing.... because this is most likely how idiots in uniform will treat the people if such situation arises

but hey, that would be a conspiracy, wouldn't it?