US Soldier throws puppy off a cliff????!!!

[januspolanski]

http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=10978

Seriously I just dont understand this. It makes me physically sick to watch it.

If this has been posted before then sorry.

This is maybe the most disturbing thing I have ever seen.

I hope someone spots him now that he s been expelled from the marines. preferably a large group with baseball bats.

[markomac]

http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=10978

Seriously I just dont understand this. It makes me physically sick to watch it.

If this has been posted before then sorry.

This is maybe the most disturbing thing I have ever seen.

I hope someone spots him now that he s been expelled from the marines. preferably a large group with baseball bats.

Im with you on this one.

I cant stand fuckers like this.

[void]

It's quite old footage, and if memory serves then the guy in question was charged back in the U.S. One thing is for sure, it was "used" by certain people to tar all American soldiers as Neanderthals, because of the outrage this footage caused. I also found it pretty barbaric when that British patrol had fire bombs thrown at it in Basra and the mob gathered around to watch them burn inside and tried to attack them when they tried to escape. Luckily they got out of it, but with severe scarring today. However bad it was, that mob wasn't how all Iraqis act but the media would have us believe it was. Same old. Media playing on the fiddle of people's most primal reactions in both cases.

[gilly]

You're right in what you say. But the actions of those zombies you've described, and the monster in the clip frighten me - it scares me that people can be so utterly, heartlessly cruel.

[void]

First time I saw it, my instinct was also that ball of fire in the solar plexus, but the first time I saw it, it was part of a compilation video that was being used to twist that ball of fire in a certain direction of thought about the coalition presence in the country. Whenever that is going on, I'm wary becuase this literally is re-wiring out whole energy to certain triggers that can stick if the anger reaction was disorientating enough to move energy away from the clearer functions of the brain (as such emotions often do). Just as I was wary of how the tablois here were using the cases of the guys in Basra for their own purpose. What I think is sometimes worse is that people will go to any length to channel understandable reactions about atrocitys, in a certain direction, for their respective political agendas.

At times I wonder who is the most cold hearted.

[januspolanski]

It's quite old footage, and if memory serves then the guy in question was charged back in the U.S. One thing is for sure, it was "used" by certain people to tar all American soldiers as Neanderthals, because of the outrage this footage caused. I also found it pretty barbaric when that British patrol had fire bombs thrown at it in Basra and the mob gathered around to watch them burn inside and tried to attack them when they tried to escape. Luckily they got out of it, but with severe scarring today. However bad it was, that mob wasn't how all Iraqis act but the media would have us believe it was. Same old. Media playing on the fiddle of people's most primal reactions in both cases.

Of course People act deplorably and disgracefully toward each other but this clip is different. Its a supposedly honourable group of US soldier out on patrol coming across a puppy and hurling the poor thing to injury or death. A baby puppy only knows love, imagine the terror of the poor thing, it was probably exited, tail waging happy to see the marines trying to lick them etc only to be thrown from a height. I hope the people who know him and esp dog owners beat the shit out of him on a regular basis. I have a 11 month old puppy myself which I adore so it makes me particularly upset to see this.

[januspolanski]

First time I saw it, my instinct was also that ball of fire in the solar plexus, but the first time I saw it, it was part of a compilation video that was being used to twist that ball of fire in a certain direction of thought about the coalition presence in the country. Whenever that is going on, I'm wary becuase this literally is re-wiring out whole energy to certain triggers that can stick if the anger reaction was disorientating enough to move energy away from the clearer functions of the brain (as such emotions often do). Just as I was wary of how the tablois here were using the cases of the guys in Basra for their own purpose. What I think is sometimes worse is that people will go to any length to channel understandable reactions about atrocitys, in a certain direction, for their respective political agendas.

At times I wonder who is the most cold hearted.

I dont understand what you are talking about. How would you suggest people react to this.

[helloperator]

No wonder people want to live with blinkers on and pretend that everything is alright...with this sort of shit going on

[void]

Reminds me of a case when I was about 13.

I knew this other Boy at school and we went out in the fields around our area. We'd ridden around there on our bikes before, and he didn't show any distain for nature before. We found a slow worm near a stone wall. I often liked looking in the grass for them. He picked it up and put it in an empty jar that was lying around. I thought he was just going to keep it in there for looking at. I had no idea what he was going to do next. He suddenly threw the glass with the slow worm in, full force at the nearest stone wall. I was absolutely distraught and shocked, I never thought for a moment that this was his intention. It had cut the slow worm in half from the injury. He literally had no comprehension of what he'd just done, and found it absolutely hilarious even after the injury was clear. I stayed with that slow worm for the rest of the afternoon until it died, feeling incredibly guilty and sobbing my heart out the whole time. The guy in the video above who was filming, may not have known what the subject was going to do. I'm not sure. It seems he recognized that it was wrong with - "That's mean", but the camera on people makes people do stupid things. That is a common link between my own incident and this one. Put the spotlight on some people, and they'll lose all sanity. It's the insanity that takes over mobs of people, too.

[fuzzylogic]

Nevermind the people he's probably killed.

[romas]

He's got a form of retardation as empathy can be traced back to brains function and lack of it is due to illness or damage.

[airkraft]

This is the way the Illuminati treat us....exactly like that pup in the vid.

They dont have remorse for starving and killing the worlds population

[mountain]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People with those soldier mentalities have obvious serious mental issues... just like that dude that beat the cat on Youtube. I try not to judge someone based on their actions, cos I realise they may have been abused as a child or something, but still, we all know right from wrong.

I can just imagine all the other frakked up things they are doing to children and others over there....

He thought is was cool to be an cruel coldhearted ass, based on the way they filmed this shit. I swear if i ever run into this person......................................... :mad:

[darketernal]

I'm far more concerned that that they are killing people, than the fact that one of them might kill a dog. Then again I see animals as a food source, and definately lack the the same empathy towards them most poeple have. Lack of empathy doesn't mean joy from cruelty. I think killing an animal you are not going to eat is wasteful, unless you putting down a suffering animal.

Still, given the choice I would rather a solider kill 20 dogs than an Iraqi child, to satisfy his bloodlust. However we all have our own set of values.

[dude111]

No wonder people want to live with blinkers on and pretend that everything is alright...with this sort of shit going onI saw this months ago was totally disgusted!

Stupid jerk should be brought up on animal cruelty charges,murder,etc......

[simmm]

I think the thing that gets me about people like this is that if they can coldheartedly do this to a defenceless puppy then god knows what else they are capable of....

Personally I would put him in a cannon and fire him off the same cliff...

[void]

I dont understand what you are talking about.

Why not?

How would you suggest people react to this.

Reaction is one thing. But that reaction being harvested and carried in a certain direction by people who exploit such reactions for their own purposes, is something else. You already know this. As mentioned in my post, although this showing of the video is just as it is, it tended to end up in internet compilations that were pushing in certain political/ideological directions, and the comments that followed were pretty much all along the lines of - "FUCKING AMERICAN FUCKS!..SAVAGE CUNTS!!......YOU DESERVED 9/11 YOU BASTARDS!!!....AMERICANS ARE SUB HUMAN BRAINLESS INBREDS!!!" etc. If that isn't people's most primal reactions being played like a fiddle, I don't what it is. Like you I felt the ball of fire in the stomach when first seeing this. The video I was watching in which this appeared, was hoping to exploit those feelings in order to rewire people to create certain associations in their minds.

[darketernal]

I think the thing that gets me about people like this is that if they can coldheartedly do this to a defenceless puppy then god knows what else they are capable of....

Personally I would put him in a cannon and fire him off the same cliff...

Do you not see the irony in this?

[simmm]

Do you not see the irony in this?

Of course.....that's anger getting the better of me:(

[romas]

Do you not see the irony in this?



Depends on your approach to it, I would say that soldier should be thrown down to experience the fruits of his own actions, more like a lesson than vengeance.

If this sick persona comes back from there without any lessons it's very probable he will act inappropriate towards other people at some point in his life. It's like a domino effect, vile act somewhere can mirror back to another vile act elsewhere.

[minton]

Why not?



Reaction is one thing. But that reaction being harvested and carried in a certain direction by people who exploit such reactions for their own purposes, is something else. You already know this. As mentioned in my post, although this showing of the video is just as it is, it tended to end up in internet compilations that were pushing in certain political/ideological directions, and the comments that followed were pretty much all along the lines of - "FUCKING AMERICAN FUCKS!..SAVAGE CUNTS!!......YOU DESERVED 9/11 YOU BASTARDS!!!....AMERICANS ARE SUB HUMAN BRAINLESS INBREDS!!!" etc. If that isn't people's most primal reactions being played like a fiddle, I don't what it is. Like you I felt the ball of fire in the stomach when first seeing this. The video I was watching in which this appeared, was hoping to exploit those feelings in order to rewire people to create certain associations in their minds.


You're missing the point that it was these morons themselves who filmed the videos and all for their own amusement. There was no big bad conspiracy forcing them to video it, they did it for the amusement of the moron who carried out the killing and his equally idiotic compatriots. He actually did it to impress those around him and also those who would view the video, which says it all about the mentality all who are in this video.

I've got no sympathy for anyone who hurts or kills an innocent animal. Animals, and especially domesticated animals, are usually very trusting and therefore it's the actions of scum who would betray that trust by abusing them for their own amusement.

Whether this video has been used to cause a reaction does not change the fact that it was filmed by those responsible in the first place and their reasons for doing so, along with their reasons for hurting the puppy, show only too well the state of mind they are in at that time.

[brainfreeze]

I'm far more concerned that that they are killing people, than the fact that one of them might kill a dog. Then again I see animals as a food source, and definately lack the the same empathy towards them most poeple have. Lack of empathy doesn't mean joy from cruelty. I think killing an animal you are not going to eat is wasteful, unless you putting down a suffering animal.

Still, given the choice I would rather a solider kill 20 dogs than an Iraqi child, to satisfy his bloodlust. However we all have our own set of values.

They're not just killing puppies. These same men are pointing guns at people when they're not videoing themselves thowing puppies around. Let your mind contemplate on the minds of those men. I wonder about what may be happening off camera, because I know that these boys will be showing the same compassion and concern for those at the end of their guns as they had for that adorable little puppy.

To be that dispassionate, that cold hearted toward any creature, great or small is the makings of evil.

[darketernal]

They're not just killing puppies. These same men are pointing guns at people when they're not videoing themselves thowing puppies around. Let your mind contemplate on the minds of those men. I wonder about what may be happening off camera, because I know that these boys will be showing the same compassion and concern for those at the end of their guns as they had for that adorable little puppy.

To be that dispassionate, that cold hearted toward any creature, great or small is the makings of evil.

Right that logic I can agree with. I personally see killing an animal, even a pet, for food to be as emotionless as eating a carrot, however I think there is a huge difference between lack of empathy and intentionally causing harm for self gradification. People who torture animals for fun, DO care about the pain of the animal, and often eventually cannot get their fix off animals and feel the need to move on people they see as less human than themselves, ei. different ethnic group/religion/social class.

Then again, you train people to be killers in the military, and let them develop a taste for it, and you sometimes end up with men who need to continue to fullfill that need even when not on duty, or after they leave.

[brainfreeze]

Right that logic I can agree with. I personally see killing an animal, even a pet, for food to be as emotionless as eating a carrot, however I think there is a huge difference between lack of empathy and intentionally causing harm for self gradification. People who torture animals for fun, DO care about the pain of the animal, and often eventually cannot get their fix off animals and feel the need to move on people they see as less human than themselves, ei. different ethnic group/religion/social class.

Then again, you train people to be killers in the military, and let them develop a taste for it, and you sometimes end up with men who need to continue to fullfill that need even when not on duty, or after they leave.


Maybe one day you'll learn how to love and care, completely, not only for humanity, but for the creatures that inhabit "our earth". Loving a pet and the warmth and comfort they give back can be/is as gratifying as loving my children or my boyfriend is. I could never eat those I loved, not even my cat. I don't eat meat but even if I did I wouldn't eat her. I don't judge those who do eat meat though I wish they wouldn't.

As you said, they do train people to be killers in the military, and when we see clips like this it reminds us how scary that is.

I wish I hadn't watched that clip. At the same time perhaps some people need to see the horrors these soldiers are doing to people next, not just animals, before becoming fully aware that those soldiers aint the good guys, and they're doing all this with our taxes.

But the more we see shit like this the more desensitised we too become to it, and that is just as scary.

[void]

You're missing the point that it was these morons themselves who filmed the videos and all for their own amusement. There was no big bad conspiracy forcing them to video it, they did it for the amusement of the moron who carried out the killing and his equally idiotic compatriots. He actually did it to impress those around him and also those who would view the video, which says it all about the mentality all who are in this video. I've got no sympathy for anyone who hurts or kills an innocent animal. Animals, and especially domesticated animals, are usually very trusting and therefore it's the actions of scum who would betray that trust by abusing them for their own amusement. Whether this video has been used to cause a reaction does not change the fact that it was filmed by those responsible in the first place and their reasons for doing so, along with their reasons for hurting the puppy, show only too well the state of mind they are in at that time.

On the contrary, you repeated exactly the point I was making, Minton. Which is that it is the individuals themselves, and them 'alone' rather than it being "Americans" or "The U.S in Iraq" or "The Zionists" or whatever twist is put on these things so often by people who manage to get hold of such footage or photographs. I never said there was a big conspiracy forcing them to film it, so I'm not sure where you got that from. You're also confirming the point I made in my other post in this thread that it's often about the eyes of other people on people themselves, that can make people do irrational things (as I noticed with that incident in my childhood) as if they have to play to the camera or audience. One person will hold back when all eyes are on them. Others will go all out and act out the worst within them when all eyes are on them.

[mountain]

They're not just killing puppies. These same men are pointing guns at people when they're not videoing themselves thowing puppies around. Let your mind contemplate on the minds of those men. I wonder about what may be happening off camera, because I know that these boys will be showing the same compassion and concern for those at the end of their guns as they had for that adorable little puppy.

To be that dispassionate, that cold hearted toward any creature, great or small is the makings of evil.

Exactally.

I totally agree with Brainfreeze and Minton....

These fools, yes I said it FOOLS are blowing up people because they have been fed lies, manipulated to think its the right thing to do.... I understand they have been broken down mentally and physically and as a result became nothing but heartless show-offs and nothing more....

I don't condone killing of any creature great and small, I DO understand where Dark Eternal is coming from, however... My heritage consists of people who kill to survive or to warm their bodies but they give thanks and don't over exploit the lives of other creatures.

Them soldiers need to wake up and FAST!!!

[minton]

Exactally.

I totally agree with Brainfreeze and Minton....

These fools, yes I said it FOOLS are blowing up people because they have been fed lies, manipulated to think its the right thing to do.... I understand they have been broken down mentally and physically and as a result became nothing but heartless show-offs and nothing more....

I don't condone killing of any creature great and small, I DO understand where Dark Eternal is coming from, however... My heritage consists of people who kill to survive or to warm their bodies but they give thanks and don't over exploit the lives of other creatures.

Them soldiers need to wake up and FAST!!!


Thanks Mountain. Yeah, there's a world of difference between the killing of animals through need of food or clothing and doing what this moron did.

We all need food, so sometimes the killing of animals might happen and it's justifiable in that context, but the idiot in the video killed the puppy for enjoyment and for the twisted admiration of his colleagues and that is what makes this, and cases like this, so atrocious really.

[januspolanski]

I thought I would add a cure for those unfortunate enough to have watched that terrible vid,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFX1s2J0CHk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP5pE3ZE9lQ

[minton]

On the contrary, you repeated exactly the point I was making, Minton. Which is that it is the individuals themselves, and them 'alone' rather than it being "Americans" or "The U.S in Iraq" or "The Zionists" or whatever twist is put on these things so often by people who manage to get hold of such footage or photographs. I never said there was a big conspiracy forcing them to film it, so I'm not sure where you got that from. You're also confirming the point I made in my other post in this thread that it's often about the eyes of other people on people themselves, that can make people do irrational things (as I noticed with that incident in my childhood) as if they have to play to the camera or audience. One person will hold back when all eyes are on them. Others will go all out and act out the worst within them when all eyes are on them.


Fair enough, I understand that you want to keep the subject matter solely to it being the killing of an innocent animal, but the fact that these morons were in uniform and also that they were part of an illegal and very unpopular invasion in Iraq means that it was always going to be used as evidence against the military presence there.

To be honest though, the only ones you can really blame for the reaction are those who were there at the time the puppy was killed and especially the one who killed the puppy. If they either didn't kill the puppy or they didn't film it then there wouldn't have been a reaction to it in the first place.